The Evil Plan for Paris

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  • Опубліковано 21 лют 2023
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    This is a video about Corbusier's plan for Paris, the Plan Voisin.
    It's a video about a masterplan that could have happened in Paris, but didn't.
    Corbusier is one of the most influential architects in the 20th century, and his plans for Paris would have changed the city forever.
    Tags: Paris, Europe, Urban Planning, Architecture Masterplans.
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  • @hoogyoutube
    @hoogyoutube  Рік тому +242

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    Corrections/Nuances:
    Paris population is referencing population of metropolitan region.
    Student of Corbusier is student of modernism school, not actual student. No excuse for that, that's just bad writing on my part.

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  • @imonymous
    @imonymous Рік тому +6267

    Le Corbusier's ideas seem impractical on a real world scale, but he would have been a kick ass Cities: Skylines streamer.

    • @katk.6723
      @katk.6723 Рік тому +246

      with the player base's obsession with highways I can totally see that. But even beside that, some of his ideas work pretty well in-game

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 Рік тому +125

      It has actually been put into use globally, though rarely to this scale. Highrise apartment complexes & public housing apartments are certainly an influence of his urban design.
      Interestingly, his ideas were implemented on a smaller scalle in Paris... not in the city centre, but as public housing complexes in the outer suburbs. These places today are infamous for antisocial behavior, social issues, & crime.

    • @JohnHenryEden2277
      @JohnHenryEden2277 Рік тому +23

      Born in the wrong generation.

    • @TeamKatastrophe
      @TeamKatastrophe Рік тому +49

      His political ideas would make him a neat Tropico streamer tho

    • @BrutusAlbion
      @BrutusAlbion Рік тому +32

      @@jonathantan2469 The Bijlmer in the Netherlands (mentioned in this video) is also notorious for the same problems.
      Seems while the ideas are kinda cool on a surface level idea, they are absolutely terrible for actual human beings. I personally think that the obsession with 'order' removes the natural flow of 'chaos' that is inherent in our hearts. You cannot order the human spirit without losing it in the process hence some natural disorganisation needs to remain to provide space for the soul to breath.

  • @Donzemiaky
    @Donzemiaky Рік тому +6628

    As a city planning student, we study Le Corbusier and his modernism influenced predecessors as a foundation of what not to do

    • @kwalsh2666
      @kwalsh2666 Рік тому +80

      SAME

    • @choobs8511
      @choobs8511 Рік тому +523

      As an architecture student, we studied Le Corbusier and his modernism as a general overview, not much critique was offered. A lot of architecture teaching seems to fail to imagine the lived experience of normal people. Architects have a terrible habit of isolating themselves from the realities of living. Ironically it creates awful architecture when this happens.

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis Рік тому +28

      Sad. I would like to see this, I hate what kind of architecture is built nowadays. Same crazy density and low amount of green zones as in 1800s are usual. Really don't like cities like Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Vienna.

    • @NotMeInc
      @NotMeInc Рік тому +3

      Same here

    • @PiotrekZadworny
      @PiotrekZadworny Рік тому +16

      @@ligametis Totally agree. I don't know about Copenhagen and Vienna, but Amsterdam sucks badly. Everything is way too crowded, this dense "mixed-use" architecture makes you constantly overstimulated and worried if someone won't ride their bike right into you. It's too small, too dense and too loud. If I wanted to live in a bazaar, I'd move to one.

  • @mjr_schneider
    @mjr_schneider Рік тому +7615

    Le Corbusier really is the supervillain of architecture. You get the feeling all his plans were designed specifically to look cool when looking down on tiny models of them and not to actually be nice to live in.

    • @eh1702
      @eh1702 Рік тому +579

      Yeah, except his plan for his own rambling suburban home in a nice private garden. Oddly unlike the homes he envisaged for the rest of us.

    • @theviniso
      @theviniso Рік тому +131

      Honestly I think he was a very good architect. As an uban planer, though, I have to agree.

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Рік тому +276

      @@theviniso No, he really wasn't. He has zero eye for aesthetics and form is just as important as function, if not more.

    • @user-cc32vcg811
      @user-cc32vcg811 Рік тому +154

      @@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Love a 3-hour commute because some dumb architect thought it was cooler if there was grass instead of a bus stop.

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Рік тому +46

      @@user-cc32vcg811 Remind me: what has grass to do with architecture again? That's part of city planning.

  • @knocturna9731
    @knocturna9731 Рік тому +2267

    Nebula really did snatch up all the urban planning UA-camrs.

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson Рік тому +130

      City Beautiful, Not just Bikes, Hoog, City Nerd. 4 of those on nebula that I follow are urban planning or have lots of discussion on it.

    • @knocturna9731
      @knocturna9731 Рік тому +53

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson The got RM Transit as well.

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis Рік тому +32

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson Most seem like usual anti car, pro rail propaganda.

    • @wrzesienkuba
      @wrzesienkuba Рік тому +222

      @@ligametis propaganda xdd

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis Рік тому +35

      @wrzesienkuba of course it was irony, but those channels are frequently ignoring that people have preferences and many love their cars. Sometimes it is even their favourite possession

  • @meneither3834
    @meneither3834 Рік тому +1088

    There is a reason architecture and city planning are different fields.

    • @miuhcupcake2285
      @miuhcupcake2285 Рік тому +16

      They are heavily connected tho, u find a lot of architects working in City planning

    • @mishynaofficial
      @mishynaofficial Рік тому +76

      @@miuhcupcake2285 we are doomed.

    • @idromano
      @idromano Рік тому +7

      In my country, both are combined in one major (undergrad course). How is it where you live? :)

    • @miuhcupcake2285
      @miuhcupcake2285 Рік тому

      @@idromano same

    • @sentosaco
      @sentosaco Рік тому +3

      I'm a designer and I regard architects the same way. Design is inherently connected to function. If it doesn't work, the design is useless.

  • @eh1702
    @eh1702 Рік тому +720

    Interesting that Corbusier designed for himself an airy, large house in a garden that most people would be glad to live in.

    • @merileopardisaksassa7030
      @merileopardisaksassa7030 Рік тому +111

      He designed every apartment with huge openable windows, rooftop gardens or access to balconies. Sounds pretty humane to me. Before he went of the rails batshit crazy with perfecting 'the living machine' he revolutionized living for the working class.

    • @thedamnedatheist
      @thedamnedatheist Рік тому

      It's actually a fairly common, well known phenomenon called "The Design Disconnect". ua-cam.com/video/C9pg2j2oGy0/v-deo.html

    • @KunshuOo
      @KunshuOo Рік тому +1

      ​@@merileopardisaksassa7030 Soviet commies block revolutionised affordable houses for the working class.
      A skyscraper is expensive as fuck to build and rent, no worker would be able to afford those.

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Рік тому +8

      @@tescolemonade Maybe they're talking about the Villa Jeanneret-Perret

    • @kidakvls2305
      @kidakvls2305 Рік тому +1

      @@_blank-_ You're probably right. Anyhow it would be his very early career, I don't think the radical ego and philosophy was there just yet.

  • @JoshuaFagan
    @JoshuaFagan Рік тому +2264

    I once had a class in my university on the history of art and architecture from the Parthenon to the present, and I distinctly remember the day we talked about Le Corbusier. There was such an overwhelmingly negative response from almost all the students. It's rare that someone can still garner as much hatred 100 years after their death.

    • @nataliekhanyola5669
      @nataliekhanyola5669 Рік тому +83

      He hasn't been dead for 100 years.

    • @abelsuisse9671
      @abelsuisse9671 Рік тому +113

      Not all he did was bad. He also contributed a lot to architecture. His five points of new architecture are still fundamental to modern buildings, things that we now give for granted, such as the importance of my having supporting walls to increase the sense of space and design freedom, the free design of façades and the large windows

    • @eh1702
      @eh1702 Рік тому +153

      Yes. It’s remarkable how his design for his own house was nothing like any of these horrible huge buildings: an airy, big-windowed suburban home in a private garden.

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming Рік тому +4

      I can absolutely understand why.

    • @AR-mv3zh
      @AR-mv3zh Рік тому +61

      he butchered so many beautiful cities, so yes, I'm not surprised by the reaction

  • @SeanA099
    @SeanA099 Рік тому +2075

    God. Why can't architects just be normal people?

  • @InfinityR319
    @InfinityR319 Рік тому +310

    As a Hongkonger myself I finally understood why does Le Corbusier’s plan rang so many bells in my head. That’s because Hong Kong follows a lot of Le Corbusier’s planning principles for many New Towns that are built after the 70s. All these skyscrapers lining up in a near grid like manner are housed with people, and with parks, malls and transit hubs near close proximity. Everything is walkable and conviennent, and most of the time you can get by without a car, but it’s also soul crushingly dull and suffocating because all you see are just the top of the buildings and not a vast open sky.

    • @babla69420
      @babla69420 Рік тому +8

      But his plan included lots of green spaces

    • @fraziercrawford
      @fraziercrawford Рік тому +4

      Aye thanks for being a reasonable individual capable of pointing out the flaws in their living space

    • @gogogo1794
      @gogogo1794 Рік тому +4

      Asian cities are much more likely to have been influenced by modernism or international style, which was influenced a lot by Japan and pre-dated Le Corbusier but influenced him a lot.

    • @AizakkuZ
      @AizakkuZ Рік тому +2

      This is wild to read as a suburbian, I couldn’t care less if I can see the open sky when everything else around me is damaged pavement, empty parking lots, and abandoned-damaged buildings.

    • @cheese4788
      @cheese4788 Рік тому +9

      @@AizakkuZ hong kong new towns are extremely well maintained, green, modern, frequently renovated and clean

  • @lian2780
    @lian2780 Рік тому +687

    GOD I LOVE FLAUNTING MY WEALTH BY DISRUPTING THE BEAUTY OF CENTURIES OLD ARCHITECTURE

    • @badsmilesorrisocattivo
      @badsmilesorrisocattivo Рік тому +8

      Basically

    • @carstarsarstenstesenn
      @carstarsarstenstesenn Рік тому +44

      just another day here in the united states

    • @merileopardisaksassa7030
      @merileopardisaksassa7030 Рік тому +19

      Actually no. His whole point was to be more humane than the actual living conditions of his time. Every single one of his actual real-life buildings had running water for washing hands, made cleaning for hygiene incomprehensibly easy, had a terrace or balcony, was modular to give people more living space when not using their beds and had huge windows. One of his mottos was 'Humans wither away without access to fresh air, light and exercise'. He usually designed his apartments & houses to be affordable for poor to working class citizens.
      Imagine being stuck in a tiny, unclean hovel with fungi growing in the ceiling & brick cracks without running water, having one, maybe two rooms for your whole family, and possibly sleeping in shifts with another family.
      He was a revolutionary and we own him a lot for improving standards of living in regards to hygiene and quality of life.
      He got too obsessed with his principles and lost all sense of what humans need socially and mentally and culturally, but his intentions were more than comandable. Seach for floorplans and pictures of his buildings in the Weissenhof Siedlung in Stuttgart!
      In regards to the Nazi allegations: it's complicated. He might have been an authoritarian but on the left, not the right. He's more of a cimunist than a nazi. He was actually interogated by them several times, threatened and the previously mentioned Weissenhof Siedlung was shut down, almost destroyed, due to accusations of 'destroying cultural landscapes by making arabic white buildings'.

    • @LancesArmorStriking
      @LancesArmorStriking Рік тому +2

      @@carstarsarstenstesenn
      True but you need to change centuries to century, at best

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 Рік тому +8

      But back then in the 1920s, there was little appreciation for buildings which were mostly aging structures built in the 1800s, and used by the lower classes at that time.
      In hindsight, it was a good thing his grand plan for Paris did not get off the drawing board.

  • @amsterdamandco
    @amsterdamandco Рік тому +466

    The Notre Dame that's randomly burning in the corner had me LOL.

    • @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906
      @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 Рік тому +19

      can ypu point out where and when on the video? I just couldnt find it...

    • @monsieur_
      @monsieur_ Рік тому +40

      @@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 3:20 - 3:30

    • @ommsterlitz1805
      @ommsterlitz1805 4 місяці тому

      It's not the first time it burned but certainly is the first one to involve muslim migrants pushed in from Germany Italy and Spain

  • @GojiMet86
    @GojiMet86 Рік тому +422

    The more I see master plans with order and symmetry, the more I think that OCD plays a big role. The "feeling" comes first (the orderly streets and buildings), then the justification ("This is the most efficient way, the most futuristic thing, etc...").

    • @artinmotabari6797
      @artinmotabari6797 Рік тому +16

      Thats an interesting take. Think i heard somewhere about the dictator types being orderly... way too orderly

    • @LancesArmorStriking
      @LancesArmorStriking Рік тому

      CEOs are 40% more likely to suffer from psychopathy. Maybe there is something to this.

    • @serendripity2498
      @serendripity2498 Рік тому +28

      That's not what OCD is, but yea I get your point

    • @Tpoleful
      @Tpoleful Рік тому +31

      You're confusing OCPD with OCD like most people. But that is understandable since the names of the disorders are not well though out.

    • @adrianoarne-ritz249
      @adrianoarne-ritz249 Рік тому +14

      The main tenets of authoritarian architecture are symmetry, monumentality, and modernism without a care for "degenerate" ornamentations. Hitler's planned Volkshalle comes to mind

  • @vianabdullah2837
    @vianabdullah2837 Рік тому +1588

    If Le Corbusier has million haters, then I'm one of them.
    If Le Corbusier has one hater, then I'm THAT ONE.
    If Le Corbusier has no haters, that means I'm dead.

    • @MustraOrdo
      @MustraOrdo Рік тому +32

      Same

    • @zuz-ve4ro
      @zuz-ve4ro Рік тому +20

      except his drawings were quite cool imo

    • @AlberYouTube
      @AlberYouTube Рік тому +22

      You can add me to this list

    • @mountpennart
      @mountpennart Рік тому +15

      Me too. I love juxtaposing Le Corbusier with Frank Lloyd Wright in my art history class, and let my students draw their own conclusions.

    • @nieno9760
      @nieno9760 Рік тому +4

      Based

  • @Grandesecole
    @Grandesecole 24 дні тому +9

    Come to Seoul. Le Corbusier's ideas literally came to life. Such a depressing cityscape.

  • @deepaksanaka
    @deepaksanaka Рік тому +660

    I'm from India and visited Chadigarh enough times to comment on it. It is India's first planned city designed exclusively by Corbusier. It has a grid layout and is possibly the worst city in India for pedestrians. It's grid layout made distances long forcing almost everyone to have a car. Traffic is getting worse every year because population is growing and they need cars to move around.

    • @Jambomambopambo
      @Jambomambopambo Рік тому +80

      The very same thing can be said about Brasília. Probably it is Brazil's least walkable city. There isn't much traffic there, though, as the highways are ridiculously large.

    • @deepaksanaka
      @deepaksanaka Рік тому +54

      @A Z I don’t get why every discussion about India turns towards poverty. Maybe you should visit Chandigarh, it’s one of the richest cities of India. For every one good grid city there are 100 more which are the worst.

    • @Ryan.2
      @Ryan.2 Рік тому +14

      ​@@user-tt3yj4lt4uThe difference is that those also give residents multiple options for travel, walking, buses, trains/subways.

    • @beaku3
      @beaku3 Рік тому +22

      @A Z Grid cities are some of the worst cities in terms of walkability and traffic. It's got nothing to do with economics and everything to do with fundamental design.

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Рік тому +24

      @@beaku3 Barcelona is doing fine with a grid layout. The problem isn't the grid itself but its scale ie the size of the roads and blocks.

  • @dan_38
    @dan_38 Рік тому +49

    Funny enough, a professor of mine discussed this topic on Brasilia. A friend of his left anecdote of the living conditions there:
    the people go to work, and it is always cold. there is no life here. And once the weekend arrives, the streets lie empty, as all jumped on trucks and planes to head back to Rio de Janeiro. Once Monday comes, the streets go full again, but the life is still cold.

  • @faded_ink3545
    @faded_ink3545 Рік тому +1048

    It’s like architects are intentionally trying to build cyberpunk dystopias.
    (Edit: architects are mad at me)

    • @MustraOrdo
      @MustraOrdo Рік тому +1

      Not all architects
      Not all policemen
      Not all contractors
      Not all doctors
      Not all scientist
      Blame the dicks, not the profession
      Politicians, however...

    • @Hobbyrepubliken
      @Hobbyrepubliken Рік тому +74

      *fascist architects

    • @matthewgarcia3356
      @matthewgarcia3356 Рік тому +118

      If it makes you feel any better, most new and young architects hate LeCorbusier. He was an egomaniacal loser. He was also not a very good person. He would steal credit for work, worked with fascists because all he cared about was his own work being done, and on one infamous instance, he was so jealous of a design by one of his ex employees, Eileen Gray, that he went and vandalized the house with paint to a point that was irreparable to its original condition. The house still exists, but it does not look how Eileen Gray originally designed it. The only good thing LeCorbusier did was create the concept of the open floor plan, in my humble opinion lol.

    • @XMysticHerox
      @XMysticHerox Рік тому +35

      Cyberpunk ultimately came about as a warning about this exact sort of ideology so it's moreso the other way around.

    • @eh1702
      @eh1702 Рік тому +30

      It’s the inverse; writers of dystopia from the early 20th C based their dystopias in these architects’ visions.

  • @dalstein3708
    @dalstein3708 Рік тому +230

    Le Corbusier wasn't the first to want to bulldozer the centre of Paris, though. Baron Haussmann preceded him by a century or so. But his designs were made so long ago that most people now consider them tasteful.

    • @vladbucur9935
      @vladbucur9935 Рік тому +48

      Ideologically, Haussmann, Le Corbusier and Soviet urban planning have the same concept - totalitarianism - erasing the past to empower a new world view. Urban planning for controlling the empire age, for controlling the interwar era and for controlling the soviet era. You can argue about advantages, disadvantages and subtleties all day, they all exchanged something good/bad for something else good/bad.

    • @vladbucur9935
      @vladbucur9935 Рік тому +44

      @Mira Moche I also prefer the Haussmann type urban planning, similar to Barcelona's Eixample. But in the same time, the large avenues were made to easily shoot civilians with cannons in case of riots. Good/bad!

    • @Biscuitsdefortune
      @Biscuitsdefortune Рік тому +3

      The author of this video did a video about it: ua-cam.com/video/3WMF_L0V5SQ/v-deo.html

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Рік тому +5

      @Mira Moche I don't know man, last time I checked the New Reich Chancellary and various buildings in Italy built in the 1930s look by and far better (and more functional) than this weird French dude inspired by modernism, and those things were built under NatSoc/Fascist ideologies.

    • @nashjonas
      @nashjonas Рік тому +26

      @Mira Moche haussman may not have been a fascist- but he was authoritarian. many of his changes to Paris were to make it harder for citizens to protest the government

  • @ritris5165
    @ritris5165 Рік тому +76

    I think a big issue that's overlooked with all these 'futuristic' cities, is that they completely disregard the inter-sub-communities that naturally find their places within grander communities, these cities are all designed with focus on the business and consumerism aspect of society and not the communities within a cities boundaries.

    • @fraziercrawford
      @fraziercrawford Рік тому +10

      It's deliberate. Communites create self contained system of support, without putting money into the global economy. Carpooling and communal gardening and whatnot. From the perspective of a complete moron who thinks money is good, communities are immoral You gotta break up the possibility for communities to increase the cost of living to keep profits in line with inflation

    • @ritris5165
      @ritris5165 Рік тому +2

      @@fraziercrawford spot on IMO,

    • @MothOnWall
      @MothOnWall Рік тому

      ​​@@fraziercrawford That's virtually impossible. People will always establish communities. The three despots in history that tried to eradicate any semblance of community were the Nazis, the Stalinists (communists on steroids), and Maoists. And they tried to do so through atrocities.

    • @joaodorjmanolo
      @joaodorjmanolo 11 місяців тому

      THIS!

    • @lamanodeyoutubedeyoutube5754
      @lamanodeyoutubedeyoutube5754 10 місяців тому +1

      there must be a balance, economic gain, humanism

  • @AP-yx1mm
    @AP-yx1mm Рік тому +185

    Love how Le Corbusier said Belgrade was an ugly city, because it had so many different architectural styles...

    • @fraziercrawford
      @fraziercrawford Рік тому +15

      I almost feel bad for these hyper neurotic types that have been assured so many times thru out their lives that their compulsive inflexibility is a positive attribute. All someone had to do was NOT punish them when they expressed themselves and these things wouldn't even happen

    • @nirad8026
      @nirad8026 Рік тому +7

      Funnily enough, New Belgrade is essentially Le Corbusier's dreams come to fruition.

    • @Omenvreer
      @Omenvreer Рік тому

      "There are just too many countries"
      -Le Corbusier and Hitler

    • @vokasimid5330
      @vokasimid5330 11 місяців тому

      Was Dobrovic Le Corbusier's student?

    • @ingvarhallstrom2306
      @ingvarhallstrom2306 10 місяців тому +4

      What's so beautiful with Belgrade is how you can read all the layers of the city so easily, one can really see in what different time period the city blossomed intertwined with stagnation. It could be one of the most beautiful cities in the world if just all the buildings were washed and some of them restored. All the layers are there, all the time periods are represented.

  • @matthewmatthew638
    @matthewmatthew638 Рік тому +76

    0:45 5 million population for a city in 1930 is freaking nuts.

    • @jeremycurle6880
      @jeremycurle6880 Рік тому +30

      there were close to a million people living in rome in the year 400

    • @imonymous
      @imonymous Рік тому +50

      @@jeremycurle6880 1 million population for a city in 400 is freaking nuts.

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 Рік тому +11

      ​@@imonymous 1 million freaking nuts

    • @hydrogencyanide4999
      @hydrogencyanide4999 Рік тому +9

      London had well over 6 million people by 1900 and Rome had 1 million people by 1 AD.

    • @aniketmane6232
      @aniketmane6232 Рік тому

      @@Fred_the_1996 you mean 500,000 freaking nuts considering rest 50% are Females lol

  • @just_in_key
    @just_in_key Рік тому +149

    When you’re in a worst city design planning competition and your opponent is le corbusier 😔

    • @tequilasunset4651
      @tequilasunset4651 Рік тому +2

      It's ok unless they convince him it's a best city design planning competition

    • @dr.wallacebreen3859
      @dr.wallacebreen3859 Рік тому +3

      When you're in a city design planning competition for the new world order and your opponent is Le Corbusier 😱

  • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
    @Homer-OJ-Simpson Рік тому +99

    I'm glad they kept the old part of Paris in tact. The high rises and modern downtown are several km away which is great for keeping the historic areas looking historic.

    • @ligametis
      @ligametis Рік тому +13

      There is almost no real old Paris intact. We can fake imperialist Paris due to Haussmann, that demolished most of it in mid 1860s

    • @SCIFIguy64
      @SCIFIguy64 Рік тому +11

      Paris is technically younger than the US architecturally, about the same age as DC. It’s why both cities share similar concepts and styles.

    • @kal_bewe1837
      @kal_bewe1837 Рік тому +7

      @@SCIFIguy64 Yes but no, unlike the United States there are several buildings in Paris from the Renaissance, medieval and Roman periods.

    • @azarshadakumuktir4551
      @azarshadakumuktir4551 Рік тому +4

      @@kal_bewe1837 Like where? There is literally no neighborhood I know of in Paris where most architecture is older than the 1850s... Also there is a great total of two roman buildings (the arenas and the baths which were excavated), and medieval buildings are mostly churches... I wouldn't even be able to name a single "rennaissance" era building in Paris (apart from a bridge), some of them date indeed to the modern era, but more the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries, and few of them are residential. Paris like most european cities isn't that old. If you want old cities you should better go to cities which have preserved their medieval center (Carcassone, Bourge, Köln, Dijon and others) or to Italy and the MENA which where a lot more urbanized in earlier times.

    • @SCIFIguy64
      @SCIFIguy64 Рік тому +3

      @@azarshadakumuktir4551 You can get under a Euro’s skin by informing them that there are buildings in Colorado older than Rome.

  • @wiizzpl4718
    @wiizzpl4718 Рік тому +1483

    Or in other words: How to make a city look bland, ugly, and not unique.

    • @johnstevenson5084
      @johnstevenson5084 Рік тому +136

      It certainly would have been unique.

    • @Sun-gs6hq
      @Sun-gs6hq Рік тому +174

      @@johnstevenson5084 Yes, it would be unique for its bland and ugliness.

    • @rexyoda
      @rexyoda Рік тому +32

      All modern skyscrapers be like

    • @Daniel-jv1ku
      @Daniel-jv1ku Рік тому +51

      @@johnstevenson5084 You have got to be kidding me. How is that a virtue? It would be a dystopian nightmare in the middle of what used to be known as one of the most beautiful cities on Earth.

    • @johnstevenson5084
      @johnstevenson5084 Рік тому +31

      @@Daniel-jv1ku I never said it was a virtue.

  • @johanbertelsen8412
    @johanbertelsen8412 Рік тому +12

    3:21
    Nice touch in making the Notre Dame literally Explode

  • @xanderx2523
    @xanderx2523 Рік тому +110

    Most people: "Le Corbusier is a bad person because his buildings look ugly. Luckily we didn't go for his vision." Me thinking about all the modern cities with the same glass buildings:"....."

    • @saosaqii5807
      @saosaqii5807 Рік тому +10

      They all look decent to me. Don’t know what’s the gripe with modern buildings when they are perfectly fine. If anything people moved on from “beautiful historic” buildings because they all looked the same for their time as well and frankly I don’t find beauty in many of the old decorated buildings either.

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Рік тому +30

      He's literally responsible for these glass buildings too. The International Style comes in part from his work. You can also add Brutalism to his long list of crimes.

    • @karakarakiri9568
      @karakarakiri9568 Рік тому +22

      @@saosaqii5807 It's horrible and crush the human soul. There is lot of studies about it. Also it's pretty much the mc donalds or zara of building. No local identify (you have the same from Berlin and Cairo to Tokyo) and mediocre.

    • @justanotheryoutubechannel
      @justanotheryoutubechannel Рік тому +1

      Modern buildings are still preferable because in most places they aren’t seperated by 3 layers of (up to) 20lane roads surrounded by flat grass fields with no trees.

    • @saosaqii5807
      @saosaqii5807 Рік тому +3

      @@karakarakiri9568 agreed, cultural and certain traditional buildings are nice but just absolutely not the classical and overly decorated with meaningless art kind. Beauty is subjective yes but many classical buildings just ain’t for me. A few here and there amazing. Building too many of them as a common scenery? Equally bad.

  • @iamthinking2252_
    @iamthinking2252_ Рік тому +15

    The “I am not French” at 0:22 with the light switch being turned on seemed dramatic and gave me a little chuckle the way it was presented

    • @yuki_musha
      @yuki_musha Рік тому

      Though, he is French. I don't know why they wrote that.

  • @kazikian
    @kazikian Рік тому +54

    The one truly good idea here is green space. Corbusier correctly realized that new materials like reinforced concrete opened up new possibilities. We tried this in the US with housing projects, and most failed spectacularly. However, look at a satellite view of NYC and the housing projects look almost like parks, because of all the green space. We should use this one positive effect of such architecture.

    • @doryphoros
      @doryphoros Рік тому +10

      I feel like Le Corbusier had a lot of good ideas but was just awful at implementing them

    • @AngzarrArquebusier
      @AngzarrArquebusier Рік тому +13

      Honestly, I get the association of “towers in the park” with cramped commie blocks, but there really is so much potential for liveable neighborhoods with the green space and towers design

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 Рік тому +7

      The problem with public social housing projects is if you concentrate a large number of lower income folks together into a compound of high density towers... including people with drug & alcohol issues, delinquents, unemployed, & behavioural problems... you get a compounding effect of social issues & crime in the area.
      This is also a problem in Europe, and also here in Australia. Subsequent town planning now focuses on smaller lower density developments scattered between suburbs & careful selection of residents to avoid this problem.

    • @AngzarrArquebusier
      @AngzarrArquebusier Рік тому +3

      @@jonathantan2469Bro I was JUST saying how towers in the park has a connotation of low-income public housing. I’m not saying anything about income brackets here, just that towers in the park would honestly be nice to live in, with 70% green space and walkability.
      (Also, did you just insinuate that exclusionary suburb planning is a good thing, or am I projecting what I hate onto you for a minor quibble)

    • @patrickmogensen3865
      @patrickmogensen3865 Рік тому +5

      Towers in a park areas are not walkable since you spread everything out between huge empty fields of grass with little recreational value. The unnecessary big distances between buildings created by spreading them out between empty fields of grass makes these areas very car dependent

  • @ARJUNDASED
    @ARJUNDASED Рік тому +27

    As always, great visuals followed by intriguing topic, keep 'em coming.

  • @srb_guy3487
    @srb_guy3487 Рік тому +97

    5:14 "And unsurprisingly, he had a weird relationship with his mom, and also fascists, which often goes hand in hand" I really felt that

    • @bjarnedansson9610
      @bjarnedansson9610 Рік тому

      He's a coping leftist, that's what they usually whine about

  • @zakewalkthroughz5082
    @zakewalkthroughz5082 Рік тому +61

    Your videos are a piece of art, you also mention topics unknown to people... incredible 🔥

    • @elevadon
      @elevadon Рік тому

      De vrede der kunst

    • @cavemann_
      @cavemann_ Рік тому

      Should be "piece of art". And ye, Hoog topics are really interesting.

    • @zakewalkthroughz5082
      @zakewalkthroughz5082 Рік тому

      @@cavemann_ thank you

  • @Western_1
    @Western_1 Рік тому +30

    Can we get a French Bioshock/Atomic Heart set in a city like this? That would be awesome.

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Рік тому +5

      It's called "La Seine Saint-Denis"

    • @sion8
      @sion8 Рік тому

      ​@@_blank-_
      Is that actually a game?

    • @Crow-lz7et
      @Crow-lz7et Рік тому

      ​@@sion8 Nope, it's a department in France

    • @sion8
      @sion8 Рік тому +1

      @@Crow-lz7et
      Oh, man!

  • @travroot
    @travroot Рік тому +15

    Le Corbusier's "cruciform towers in a park" concept was widely adopted by several US cities for their public housing projects (like Cabrini-Green).
    It revealed some massive problems with the design-- because of the parks and single-use scheme, residents were physically very far from grocery stores, shops, offices, etc, which isolated them and redoubled their poverty. Add in elevator/mechanical mismanagement and you've got a recipe for disaster.

  • @CockatooDude
    @CockatooDude Рік тому +11

    The way I learned about Le Corbusier's plans is that everyone was supposed to work in the cruciform towers, at least those who could. His idea was to get as much capacity for office work as was possible into the towers, and to have the living areas feel like a more idealized and slightly smaller scale version of many of the dwellings of Bath, England.

  • @ivanklimov7078
    @ivanklimov7078 Рік тому +10

    your videos have no bussiness looking this slick, it's amazing. glad to be here before you hit a milli subs, which is gonna happen in a couple months i'm pretty sure

  • @David-ww2sg
    @David-ww2sg Рік тому +4

    I love the slight shade and deadpan humour you include. Always catches me off-guard, love it.

  • @jaimepujol5507
    @jaimepujol5507 Рік тому +47

    I like a draft that Corbu made to illustrate his proposal, in which he had the BALLS to write "l'academie dit non" or "academics said no."

    • @imonymous
      @imonymous Рік тому +9

      So he was using disapproval from academics as a selling point?

    • @RAFMnBgaming
      @RAFMnBgaming Рік тому +15

      @@imonymous I suppose that's the of-the-time equivalent to being one of those conspiracy weirdos complaining about "mainstream scientists".

    • @jaimepujol5507
      @jaimepujol5507 Рік тому +2

      @@imonymous I guess you can use anti-intellectualism as an excuse for anything

    • @elmukaltino
      @elmukaltino Рік тому

      Anyone else read this in a Carol Beer voice in their head?

    • @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
      @WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Рік тому

      "MY IDEAS WILL NOT BE CONSTRAINED BY THE DICTATORSHIP OF SELF-PROCLAIMED "EXPERTS"!!!!!"
      *drinks bleach*
      *fucking dies*

  • @ashleyhamman
    @ashleyhamman Рік тому +22

    I think the phrase the captures Le Corbusier the best is that he thought of housing as "machines for living in".

    • @nirad8026
      @nirad8026 Рік тому +2

      I don't understand why nobody told him "How about you yourself live in a living machine, and let the rest of us live in actual homes"

  • @HigherQualityUploads
    @HigherQualityUploads Рік тому +11

    He'd be a good set designer for dystopian media.

  • @nicrave6874
    @nicrave6874 Рік тому +21

    That burning Notre Dame tho💀

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 Рік тому

      Somehow, I think Le Corbuisier would approve...

    • @f40carz93
      @f40carz93 26 днів тому

      @@jonathantan2469 prolly lol

  • @ruzzelladrian907
    @ruzzelladrian907 Рік тому +6

    Le Corbusier is the reason why the general public has disdain for modern architecture. And there’s a good reason for that. An example of trash modernist architecture on a implemented on large scale is in New York City. New York City is just like Paris. Organic growth, walkable, and narrow street meant for pedestrians. Then here comes Robert Moses who was obsessed with cars and segregation. He demolished plenty of historical neighborhoods to pave way for highways cutting in between neighborhoods. He built hideous public housing shaped like crosses, just like Le Corbusier’s designs. To this day, they’re hideous. There are neighborhoods in Queens, Brooklyn, and especially The Bronx that have to live with the eyesore and negative health effects of highways - also very impractical for us pedestrians.

  • @bonafidemonafide7810
    @bonafidemonafide7810 Рік тому +7

    Adam Something after getting an architecture degree:

  • @Tiredofdawgz
    @Tiredofdawgz Рік тому +1

    Just stumbled upon your video and this channel. Amazing work. Your stuff is phenomenal and inspirational.

  • @antoinetremblay4449
    @antoinetremblay4449 Рік тому +5

    The fact that this plan ever even existed fills me with unspeakable dread

  • @Nobodyherefornow
    @Nobodyherefornow Рік тому +14

    Went to Architecture school. We learned a LOT about Corbusier in our history courses, and while I think his city plans and many of his macro-scale concepts were flawed and oftentimes problematic, I did learn to appreciate some of his architectural work when it came to living spaces and places of community.
    While many works are out of date, one would be remiss to discount his contributions to modernism and architecture through designs attempting to reconcile mass housing materials with modern age living requirements (even if not always successful). I’ll recommend Corbu’s Five points of architecture if anyone wants reading, as well as a look into well-executed brutalist buildings.
    The style is heavy but it shouldn’t need to be overly dark or oppressive. In fact, it can be quite light and airy at times.

  • @IMPERIALYT
    @IMPERIALYT Рік тому +22

    I'm going to be using this as a cheat sheet whenever I can't think of visuals - sorry, not sorry

    • @134343
      @134343 Рік тому

      Cool to see you here! Love your videos and visual styles too!

  • @RealNacho
    @RealNacho Рік тому

    Dude! Your videos never disappoint. I've always been a huge fan of your signature 3D and 2D-style and each and every new video is better than the last one. Not only is the topic super interesting, your delivery of it is the best I've ever had the pleasure to witness. Oh, and the sound design for this video has been on a whole other level aswell!

  • @malachaiuys711
    @malachaiuys711 Рік тому

    I subbed before I even got through the intro - the quality of this is on another level

  • @alkayamassaly4185
    @alkayamassaly4185 Рік тому +8

    Hoog from the top! Excellent video.

  • @cascadian4250
    @cascadian4250 Місяць тому +5

    Separated by uses, monotonous, connected via highway, class segregated, and obsessed with how much of the area you can cover with grass…. Sounds a bit familiar as an American.
    Corbusier’s plan and modern American suburbs look nearly identical in all regards. Although they’re diametrically opposite when it comes to density.

  • @kummer45
    @kummer45 Рік тому +6

    Cities: Skylines may use this model as a DLC with all the theory explained. That would be a great experience for Students of Architecture and all the work this architect generated.
    This could be illustrated in Unreal engine 5.2. Many of Le Corbusier work could be done in Grasshopper 3D and of course modeled for people to see and understand.

  • @rutvikrs
    @rutvikrs Рік тому +2

    It hits hard for me given I just visited Chandigarh, India's blandest city in my personal opinion.

  • @juanjara9904
    @juanjara9904 Рік тому +15

    Great animations dude! Really sets this channel apart from others! Pleasure to watch!

  • @dickbrown3196
    @dickbrown3196 Рік тому +4

    I think that some good points can be taken from these projects and researches of his, blending buildings with nature. This Parisian project is too strict, but he wanted to introduce “natural materials”: sunlight, space and greenery. That was his concept of a green city, vertical suburbs. Imagine a neighbourhood filled with Unite l’habitation housing complexes, all of the ground is free and connected, since the buildings are on pylons. Pedestrians may reach everything within walking distance. Well, it’s pretty complex, I don’t think it has much to do with this, since I recall it is a seperate concept.

  • @vanessaclark9303
    @vanessaclark9303 Рік тому

    Great video. Keep them coming dude!

  • @petersicheri1150
    @petersicheri1150 8 місяців тому

    Your videos are insanely amazing I've never seen UA-camrs use this kind of graphic design😊

  • @Pedro-kp5fu
    @Pedro-kp5fu Рік тому +4

    3:26 notre dame got done dirty🗿

  • @kelvincoolidge995
    @kelvincoolidge995 Рік тому +4

    I love your videos hide that you continue to make them into the future

  • @TPH11
    @TPH11 Рік тому

    Nice video! I enjoyed the pace. Cool voice too.

  • @anandsagar9181
    @anandsagar9181 8 місяців тому

    Amazing video. Great to learn about people forgotten in time

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto Рік тому +3

    Le Corbusier sounds like the perfect man to design a sci-fi dystopia.

  • @joeyg9744
    @joeyg9744 Рік тому +6

    Babe wake up! Hoog posted

  • @lifelonglearner1863
    @lifelonglearner1863 Рік тому +1

    very beautiful this piece of art video is. thanks!

  • @Var_
    @Var_ Рік тому +5

    Damn Hoog, the video editing and animations have become excellent. Bring back the Patreon!

  • @shioyoutube9041
    @shioyoutube9041 Рік тому +6

    His designs really do feel like if an alien or AI supercomputer was ordered to design the ultimate civilisation without actually considering how humans work. Some of the ideas are actually scientifically correct, but just so dystopian and strict. They would be so miserable to live in. I’m in favour of density and green space but he found way to make both things miserable and empty.

  • @joeleesam4062
    @joeleesam4062 Рік тому +8

    The three years I spent doing my urban studies degree basically came down to ‘do not do what the modernists tried to do’

  • @michaelwatts8354
    @michaelwatts8354 Рік тому +2

    I kinda like where this guys coming from, efficiency being key in his designs.

  • @sife5191
    @sife5191 Рік тому

    i absolutely NEED to know what programs you use for videomaking because your visual style is absolutely stunning

  • @balrogdemorgoth4741
    @balrogdemorgoth4741 Рік тому +35

    Honestly, on its own the designs could make a pretty unique city to see if any of it work (probably wouldn't), the problem come when you want to apply it to every pre-existing major city and it get nausea inducing to see, especially at the expense of historical buildings.

    • @bunny_apocalypse
      @bunny_apocalypse Рік тому +5

      Corbusier inspired buildings in Netherlands look like more spaced out and nature filled commie blocks. I have soft spot for efficient buildings like these and they can really work. Demolishing historical centres is just rubbish tho.

  • @freelancepear87kakkoka11
    @freelancepear87kakkoka11 Рік тому +60

    people like Le Corbusier are the exact reason why architects need to be kept on leash, he could have built that shit anywhere, but he chose the historic center of Paris. one of the quintessential centers for western culture and aesthetics. people like him hate beauty, they hate humanity and this should be recognized in all the things they do and be responded with the utmost disdain and dismissal of their ideas. i am truly glad his ideas didn't get through.

    • @LucasDimoveo
      @LucasDimoveo Рік тому +8

      That seems a bit extreme

    • @omarma7815
      @omarma7815 Рік тому +5

      he was literally facist, but you generalise an extreme individual on millions of architects? do you also hate modern day germany because of hitler?

    • @shanewalker3273
      @shanewalker3273 Рік тому +3

      Would you rather have aesthetics or have enough houses for people to live affordably?

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Рік тому +3

      @@shanewalker3273 The first, without a doubt. The second can always be achieved with *remigrating the non-Europeans currently taking up houses everywhere in Europe.*

    • @joaquimsilva6081
      @joaquimsilva6081 Рік тому

      "one of the quintessential centers for western culture and aesthetics" not it isn't lmao. The entirety of the region Corbusier would destroy was built following an authoritarian mindset to impede roadblocks at to make protestors more vulnerable. Thousands were displaced and most of the poor population was kicked out. It's a trillion times better than Corbusier's quasi-fascist design, but if it simbolizes something, it is how urban planning can be made to gentrify and punish the minorities; don't let the pretty decorations fool you

  • @yunekoVT
    @yunekoVT 9 місяців тому

    insane editing well done

  • @rodneychan914
    @rodneychan914 Рік тому

    Why is no one talking about how amazing the graphics and animations are??? Like WOW every time I watch a video of yours it just gets cooler and cooler.

  • @aktuellyattee8265
    @aktuellyattee8265 Рік тому +8

    This is the most Jacobin thing since the French revolution.

  • @merileopardisaksassa7030
    @merileopardisaksassa7030 Рік тому +6

    I love Le Corbusier!
    He did so much for modernist principles in architecture despite his shortcomings. Every single apartment of his had to be modular so there was more usable living space while beds weren't in use (& more people could humanely live there if necessary) have a balcony and huge windows for light. That includes working class families in cities! According to him humans can't live without clean air and exercise. You need to remember the dismal living conditions of working class people in cities at the time when he began his work. Tiny, unclean hovels that were unlivable. He insited on having running water in all buildings no matter the class of inhabitants so they could wash their hands and designed sinks split in two to separate where food was cooked and where clothing etc. was washed with chemicals.
    He was absolutely obsessed with perfecting living for everyone which turned him into a supervillain. He firmly believed that a more controlled life would be the most humane for everyone. Another crazy project of his that failed spectacularly is the redesign of Chandigarh Capitol Complex in India which is an unlivable cement nightmare for people without any consideration for culture.
    He thought of whats best for society on a large scale and forgot the actual people living in it. Fascinating visionary!

  • @frhate
    @frhate Рік тому +1

    always love these vids

  • @EelcoWind
    @EelcoWind День тому +1

    It's a terrible plan, but not an evil one. Corbusier believed in the city as a machine, it had to be optimized and old dirty streets were inefficient.
    He grew up in an age before modernism, and there weren't any projects like this (or Bijlmer) that proved his ideas wrong yet. The reinforced concrete seemed a magical material back then, finally allowing great spans in architecture, allowing light in and giving used free use of the floor plan. That light and greenery (lifting the building up, to give green space back to the city) are the core believes of his architecture and urbanism. That measurement system was based on the human body, because he wanted to make spaces optimized for the human body to use.
    He just took it way too far in this plan (and most of his urban schemes), as he later realized. His last works are more tactile, softer and more suited for the human soul. You can see his last buildings as his critique on his earlier works. He was not evil (although he did lean towards authoritarian regimes, but more because he could get his ideas built there), he just had misinformed dreams and learned later in life, as all of society did, that the building as a machine is not always ideal for the human soul.

  • @fulanomenganobenitez483
    @fulanomenganobenitez483 Рік тому +5

    the most neutral person:

  • @airpodsmurf6175
    @airpodsmurf6175 Рік тому +7

    i thought this was an ongoing plan thank god i was wrong

  • @leonarddarsow9564
    @leonarddarsow9564 Рік тому

    This video is crazy. Those animations🤯

  • @pierrenovak4
    @pierrenovak4 6 днів тому

    Hey! Great video with beautiful animations, I enjoyed it from start to finish! Also, I'm working on a presentation about Le Corbusier and I'd like to check out your sources. However, I don't see them in the description. Can you publish them please? It would help me a lot.

  • @memeabledata
    @memeabledata Рік тому +4

    This video is a masterpiece.

  • @acorgiwithacrown467
    @acorgiwithacrown467 Рік тому +6

    Literally the towers from Judge Dredd, looks and sounds dystopian. But I guess that was kind of the point? That being said I kind of love the idea of different raised transport layers with buildings above the lower layers.

  • @Stan542
    @Stan542 Рік тому +2

    Another great video

  • @spacec1
    @spacec1 Рік тому

    I'm loving the "I am not french" text it brings the video all together for no reason

  • @simplepixel5617
    @simplepixel5617 Рік тому +10

    Wow, Paris almost had it’s own Ceausescu.

    • @simplepixel5617
      @simplepixel5617 Рік тому

      @@aggravatedfruit_au True but he managed to implement to the Romanian Capital and most Romanian cities, what The Genius of the Riviera did not. Complete demolition and anihilation of the Romanian architectural history!

  • @personator
    @personator Рік тому +3

    The separation of traffic into layers might be one of the only decent ideas in the plan; it's how some of central Chicago is laid out, and removes a good amount of traffic from one of the most heavily-walked areas of the city.

  • @shyboitony
    @shyboitony Рік тому

    This content is stunning!! Ty

  • @lucasvitos
    @lucasvitos 8 місяців тому

    I love how you manage to include any kind of church or cathedral being burnt on your videos

  • @voinekku
    @voinekku Рік тому +6

    The problem with Le Corbusiers Radiant City was the rigidity and top-down design emerging from a single brain.
    In almost every other way its superior to what developer-ran free market capitalism produces. The Radiant city plan has much less of uberrich elite excess than any of the current western metropolises, and it has much less land wasted for ugly, noisy, polluting and dangerous roads and parking spots.

  • @baronmateo6736
    @baronmateo6736 Рік тому +5

    This plan is not that bad, course could be fine tuned, but think about it. It has a good holistic approach, really spacious, lot of greens, fast, effective.
    About his "fasicts" utopia thoughts: even though it is easy to condemn, but he saw the reality, which is present even now. Look at New York, who own the fancy top story apartments, and look at the less skilled mobs, who live further away. Everything is more hectic compared to his plans, but the societal hierarchy is there.

  • @Kamome163
    @Kamome163 Рік тому +1

    Wow. Stunning video❤

  • @Zoranurai13
    @Zoranurai13 7 днів тому

    Gotta love waking up at 4am because an airplane flies past your window, getting up to drive underground and then getting stabbed during your lunch break behind a bush in the “green space”

  • @LibertarianLeninistRants
    @LibertarianLeninistRants Рік тому +18

    I mean, they could have built it further out to leave the historic city center intact

    • @dudebros6122
      @dudebros6122 Рік тому

      >"Libertarian Leninist"
      >"Bro why don't they just build it further out!!!!"
      Clearly someone lacks self awareness, go rot in your worthless commune.

    • @LibertarianLeninistRants
      @LibertarianLeninistRants Рік тому

      @@dudebros6122 okay dude you triggered by my meaningless channel name for some reason
      yes, the design of le corbusier seems interesting, the only thing I would subject to is the levelling of historical buildings so really if they built it further out of the city center there's no argument against it

    • @dudebros6122
      @dudebros6122 Рік тому +5

      @@LibertarianLeninistRants Except for the part where it takes up resources, looks like utter shit, and was designed under questionable pretenses. What the hell could be so interesting about a bunch of Minecraft ass buildings? There is a balance of looks and functionalism, and this leans too heavily on functionalism. Like I support the free market, but I'm not an anarchist who believes there shouldn't be any rules.
      Also I find it odd you call your own user name meaningless, it's not like "lol123", it's a specific ideology which I find obnoxious.

    • @LibertarianLeninistRants
      @LibertarianLeninistRants Рік тому +5

      @@dudebros6122 _"Except for the part where it takes up resources"_ Wait what? Building houses takes up resources? Omg, you better tell the news asap, this is breaking!
      _"looks like utter shit,"_ looks good, no idea what you got on your eyes but if it looks like shit maybe you should try showering it off
      _"and was designed under questionable pretenses."_ Okay fair, he flirted with fascism and tried to incoprorate that into his city design. But its not complicated to think of these houses just as houses and turn them into social or cooperative housing. then the ideological message would be reversed. its completely compatible.
      _"What the hell could be so interesting about a bunch of Minecraft ass buildings?"_ housing good, housing with green parks around it better; brutalism and the likes just look awesome
      _"There is a balance of looks and functionalism, and this leans too heavily on functionalism."_ your taste. but again, housing has a function, to house people. if we can build 1000 apartments which are functional but not perfectly pretty, or 100 apartments which are perfectly pretty, I'll take the 1000 apartments.
      _"Like I support the free market, but I'm not an anarchist who believes there shouldn't be any rules."_ Ancaps are not anarchists, ancaps defend the hierarchies of workplaces, of capital and wage labor. Real anarchists are socialists. thats where the term libertarianism originated from btw, from socialists.
      Aside from that, anarchism is not about having no rules. Its about having no rulers.
      Anyways, I'm not an anarchist but I have friends who are and yes I have flirted with it in the past.
      _"Also I find it odd you call your own user name meaningless, it's not like "lol123", it's a specific ideology which I find obnoxious."_
      My username is a reference to an obscure meme of 2016 communist youtube. its not a real ideology, libertarian leninism simply does not exist.

    • @dudebros6122
      @dudebros6122 Рік тому

      @@LibertarianLeninistRants
      Takes up recourses 100% unwilingly from the populas, if this was a private enterprise maybe sure go ahead as long as the zoning allowed for it.
      Nope, still looks like shit.
      Yeah, it's souless, communist in nature. Synonyms mind you. Fascism is bad, but it has culture, I mean that's what it's based around.
      Looks awesome, research would state otherwise in terms of happiness among a population, productivity is one measure that would decrease though at the core of it not as many people as you think are willing to live in such shitty conditions - communal living is also bad, you always need to force it since no one wants to share a single room with 3 families. Though I'm sure in the comfort of capitalism plenty provided you can go on and on about how awesome living in gray cubes would be... forcing your own preferences on many people in practice because the only way you'll ever fill them is by cramming people, or making it unbelievably cheap to live in. A system in which houses are built according to what people perfer would be better... I wonder what system that could be, one in which a few planners don't get to decide what every design is... certainly not one in the real world since that's Utopic in nature and no PURE capitalist state could exist without any interference by government forces (I hope you get the parallel I'm doing here and don't take it too literally).
      Housing good, this is not housing, it's a way for the state or even company or whatever entity to gain more control - it's literally within it's design, saying "but now is communist! :)" doesn't remove that feature nor does making it communal. This is the soviets and any socialists wet dream, even more control because people naturally don't want that shit. Don't say "but I like it :(", your the exception not the rule as far as any pol or statistic would be concerned, though may I ask you to use common sense? No I doubt it.
      Anarchism as in actual anarchism as in the literal form of anarchism, is the lack of rules - it's the definition of the word. Lefty anarchism - still not real anarchism, is just a cruel interpretation of this which still incorperates rules to function (because whoopty doo a society makes rules if there aren't any as a natural power gap forms), calling it a "communal watch squad" for example does not infact remove the idea of it being a police force which enforces based upon what they want due to inherent human flaws, that's what it is. Lefty anarchism also is complete dumbassery, "unjust rulers", unjust to you, completely just to me - it's a subjective definition as it necessarily relies on morality. I do not make dumb marxists assumptions on the morality of private transactions and ownership, I only realize that some form of government is necessary for stability and for quality of life. And so if you have been absorbing anything I've said and not just skimming you'd realize, in my world view your definition of lefty anarchism would equate to anarcho-capitalism, though both idea's are so inherently flawed I think I'm done talking about it.
      if you claim there aren't any unjust rulers in your ideal society, it means your the unjust ruler most definetly, but you guys play these fucking word games to make it sound like that's not the case, well I could do the same thing so it's a pointless argument. When the envetable people who don't want to participate in your society show up (most people in practice), they die or become enslaved, you just assume they don't exist... or maybe worse.
      On another note, humans abandoned communalism due to population growth and to become specialized to provide your very lovely "anime waifus" I'm sure your attached to so very much, it is not infact our "natural state", it WAS our natural state - past tense. To return to it would cause untold destruction to society because the situation in which it 'worked' no longer exist, we aren't a rag tag bunch of apes in a few spots and unlike ants we have more complex thoughts and wants which is unique to every individual, a system should accordingly be fitted towards the individual at our state not the collective at the expense of the individual claiming your system doesn't come at the expense of the individual is so blind sighted I don't know what to say. I know you said you weren't an ancap, but just know that idea doesn't fucking work in the real world. With more people, what may appear to you as "unjust hierarchies" are simply a reflection of our current nature, human nature can change I do concur because we are just biological creatures, but it won't go back in time. In a funny way they are the ultimate conservative, forget the 60's I want to go back to 10,000 BC :)
      I remember hearing from that Vaush guy (despise him if you couldn't guess) about "libertarian socialism", which is really just socialism but because him and people who follow his ideas have literally no moral code or code of conduct lie to meet their ends, but what do you expect from people who believe any means is justified to reach an end(An end which may I remind you will not ever happen)? They are two steps from justifying similar acts of Hitler and none of them seem to notice, or rather don't want to say it.
      Or maybe your not a socialist and just a socialist-light (breadtube person) or maybe just slightly left leaning... Making all of my arguments pointless, ehh just give it a read, I await your potential counter argument
      xoxo your dearest dude bros.

  • @SassyPants34
    @SassyPants34 Рік тому +3

    Ah an airodrome between huge building sounds like a great plan...

    • @jonathantan2469
      @jonathantan2469 Рік тому

      To be fair, the Empire State Building was also designed & built to be a zeppelin airport.

  • @sometf2player752
    @sometf2player752 15 днів тому +1

    Having a city made up of the same 3 buildings seems very depressing

  • @joke2ad341
    @joke2ad341 Рік тому

    these videos are incredible

  • @generalissimo1389
    @generalissimo1389 Рік тому +4

    So he basically wanted Soviet stile blocks built but with social hierarchy.
    Some of the ideas sound cool and it would be OK if it would be used when having to build a completely new city or neighbourhood but putting it mid an already existing city should be a war crime.

  • @luis.fcaldeira
    @luis.fcaldeira Рік тому +21

    The sad thing (for me) is that, while Paris turned this down, my country used it as a blueprint for our capital's design :)

    • @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906
      @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 Рік тому

      brazil?

    • @luis.fcaldeira
      @luis.fcaldeira Рік тому +4

      @@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 yes xD

    • @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906
      @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 Рік тому +2

      @@luis.fcaldeira i dont think it ends well (or did it?) I heard now there settlement outside the city- masterplan

    • @Fred_the_1996
      @Fred_the_1996 Рік тому

      Brasília certo?

    • @paulocezar8833
      @paulocezar8833 Рік тому +4

      there are 4.8 million people living in the metropolitan area of Brasilia.Only around 200 thousand live in the desingned city.

  • @luxaly9510
    @luxaly9510 9 місяців тому

    tbh makeing it more dense but also more green wouldnt be as bad :) also the disign to sepperate traffic is a good idea :) if i would plan a city i would make it circular... its devided in sectors/rings/ring-sectors Bulls Eye: Workspaces/Larger Shopping Opportunitys Inner Ring: Smaller Workspaces/Shopping/Medium-High Class Living 2nd Ring Low-Medium Class Living/Shoppiing for Daily needs so that u dont need a car Outer Ring Single Home Living + Daily Needs Shopping (less dense than in the 2nd Ring... but still doable without Car... Bulls Eye Inner and 2nd Ring would be Car Free with Autonomus Transport,EMS Reserved Roads and High Level of Public Transport ... outer ring is also connected to the Public Transport via Metro/Trams