DOF Reality H2 RAW REACTION! FULL MOTION RIG | A GAME CHANGER for VR? MSFS PICO 4
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2023
- I share my very FIRST VR flight experience with my new DOF Reality H2 motion rig on camera. Has it been worth it? Let's find out...
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To those of you who referred to the motion rig not behaving correctly in a roll. I've now changed a setting in the SRS software from angle to "rate", so it now rolls back after the initial turn. I'll have to try this in VR to see how different it feels compared to before. Thanks for your feedback.
I'd be very interested in an update video after you resolve the motion compensation. That feels like a deal breaker at this moment. Thank you!
Great video, Steve. @2:42, traditional 3DOF is thought of by many to be roll, pitch and YAW, whilst adding heave, surge and sway brings a motion rig up to 6DOF. Looking forward to seeing you putting your DOF Reality through its paces.
This is not boring man :)) its brilliant. Its amazing what we can have in our own homes now.
Great video. I was among the first to receive a Yaw2 motion platform, and I love it. The addition of motion to gaming/sims just puts a smile on my face every time I climb into the rig. Hearing your reaction brings me back to the first time I fired it up. Congrats and enjoy!
Glad to see you're well and around 😊 Miss your creative videos😇 Feel free to educate us on topics as maintenance on a 6DoF rig, software updates for the YAW2 and what you'd wish for/plans for the future, pretty please.
Hi Steve , just to say what a big smile I had watching this video. Reminded me of my first VR motion flight , ( Next level V3 ) & G2 v2 ....know how you feel wait till you fly DCS . Real world pilot Ken. Yes like I said before in previous comments on your channel now you know how very close to real flying VR can be.
Great video and I know this has to be the way forward for VR flying. Can’t believe you didn’t taxi past the figure of yourself that BBD put into the Damyns Hall scenery near the cafe by the fence. 👍👍
Great vid Steve, I can't get over how much your channel has grown over the last couple of years, Keep it up mate I knew you was a winner.
Hey Cracker cheers mate. Its all thanks to people like you who have helped support me, it really means so much.
Welcome to motion simulation!
I've had the Next level motion v3 for 5 years with a butt kicker and it's a real game changer!
Lucky it comes with vr motion compensation built in but once you get into this your never want to fly flat screen and stationery again ! Happy flying !
You have dispelled any misconceptions I had around the 2 axis setup, looks awesome!
Great to see you move to motion with DOF.Sent many an hour talking on Skype with them to use parts of their systems for my sit-on motorcycle simulators. Look forward to seeing more of your videos on this. Oh and if you want to try my bike system in VR your always welcome over.
This is something i would like to get in the future . Only thing missing then would be the force feedback yoke and pedals . Thanks
Thanks for this great review. I did it and ordered the H2 right now. Very excited of this new feeling...
Congratulations! You'll absolutely love it. DOF Reality have a good video instruction guide on how to assemble it on their UA-cam channel.
Motion and VR is a perfect match, its why I got into motion in the first place back with the DK2. We have come a long way since then
simliar timeline to me, so much more immersion!
Gday Steve. Thanks for your all your content, I’ve been hanging out for this vid for so long. I’ve ordered a yaw2 pro with 3dof and am literally waiting for almost the exact same things you’ve talked about in your last few videos. I’ve been set on buying the pimax Crystal and the u-shake 6, already have the sim racing studios fans, so I’m super excited to see how good things get for you over the next few months.
What you said about being close to real flying has been my justification to spend as much as I’m gonna spend on all this. There is no reason we can’t completely match the experience of flying a standard (non jet) plane in VR. We can basically match all the peripherals and once VR reaches human eye resolution, with arm tracking and a good motion rig etc. We can have our own plane in the spare bedroom and fly anywhere in the world for cheaper than it costs to get a pilot licence or buy a small aircraft. It’s an awesome time to be alive.
Can you believe I still haven’t even played MSFS yet. I’ve pretty much watched every video you’ve made, but I wanna just have my mind blown when I’ve got everything set up. It’s been so hard watching your excitement and still holding my patience. I’m just hanging for that maiden flight, in an open cockpit plane with the fans blowing and the visuals of the crystal. Looking forward to your next vids
Just because of your vids about those, i ordered my H3. I am excited like a little boy 3 weeks before christmas.
Congratulations!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks....I got 13900/4090 pc....Thrustmaster-setup...Pimax Crystal...i thought that`s just missing :)
Congrats on finally getting a motion sim Steve!
I hope YawVR sends you a demo unit of the YawVR2 one of these days for comparison. I'm surprised they haven't already.
I tried it out at Flight Sim Expo 2021. The demo was using Xplane 11 on a laptop, low quality, laggy connection, Quest 2. Even with that, my brain was telling me I was flying a plane. The range of motion on the Yaw 2 really sells it... with the ability to pitch backwards to around 70 degrees. When I pulled back the throttle and put the nose up, I went backwards to match. Quite the thrill! The built-in haptics were phenomenal, I felt everything.
not sure where he would fit that.
I know the feeling of staying up until 3am setting up vr rigs trying to not wake up the mrs😂 happy wife happy life
Very nice, it would be interesting to see if it can change direction quick enough for a fighter. What a great time for flight sims!
Very cool Steve, you said it as I was typing, but yeah, get Melissa on her first flight! 🎉
Working on it! 😁😁
Great video Steve! What surprises me is how many people in the comments have motion rigs. I've been shopping for one for a long time and DOF Reality has been the one that seems to be a favorite. I always value your opinion on gear, so I think you've sold me on getting one. Cheers!
I'm also surprised how many people already have these things, I guess we are a little late to the party haha. You are gonna LOVE it. Keep me updated and join my Discord if you get chance. Cheers!
I have a D-Box 4 actuator system and love it, dont forget to change the turbulence setting to realistic (the update's default is low) under assistant options go to piloting. if you scroll down under piloting at the bottom you'll see a new setting called turbulence.
I'm on a similar path. Planning on a Pimax Crystal for VR, then a DOF P2. Very inspiring see your progress and pleasure!
I'm similar, waiting on Pimax Crystal (got to try it at CES this year) and waiting on YawVR I ordered on Kickstarter. I also tried the YawVR in 2021 on their tour. Just hope they can get to the finish line and get the production numbers up to survive or get investors. They have an amazing product.
This looks SO cool, Steve! Great video 👍👍👍
I have also an dof h3 for simracing. I love it. you can test it with your pimax 8kx if you still have it. When u use the 9dof tracking mode, you need no motioncompensation.
Excellent video and rig. I checked them out online. Reasonable. Unfortunately I’m still waiting on my YAW2 which I ordered as part of their Kickstarter over 21 months ago. I may die of old age before I ever receive it lol!
Great video Steve❣️
You are for sure a bad influence 🤣
I guess I will take a deeper look. Either DOF or NLR will be the choice but it should be compatible to my NLR Flight Simulator Boeing Edition.
Thank you and take care.
Ah forgot to answer your question. Everything. I want to see everything🤣
Im very excited about this and am going home to negotiate with er indoors about buying this.looks great.
Awesome video Steve . . . imo your best yet as your pure joy really sums up how i felt when i first got my motion rig. I'm sure other rig owners will agree It is so much like the real thing it's hard to describe unless you try it. . . You'll soon get your head around Motion Compensation as there's plenty of YT tutorials. All you need is some form of motion tracker . . . A vive tracker or even spare VR controller will even do 👐
Thankyou so much that's so kind of you to say! I'm looking forward to learning more and more 😊
The H2 has heave also and not just pitch and roll. It will actually pivot around various degree smoothly to mimic a car suspension when going around curbs. Heave works when you go air borne and land hard.
Keep the videos coming, something like this is on my my next list 😂
To limit the need for motion cancellation you can go to 'Tuning' in SRS while it is running and under 'Advance' change the 'Roll' selection from 'Angle' to 'Rate' this is actually more correct for a aircraft that mainly uses co-ordinated flyt. Eg. Look at your 172 instrument bubble while you are in a turn.
Makes a huge difference thankyou!
@@VRFlightSimGuy So does this pretty much eliminate the need for additional Motion cancellation to keep your head in the cockpit in front of the yoke ?
Yesterday i finished my own handmade 2DOF motion rig, Im in the final tests. The feelings are the most awsome change I ever see in a game/simulator
That's awesome!
Wauw this is it 😎👌🏼 Now your full real life simulator is complete man! This is also on my bucket besides the 4090😅You already hitting my wallet 😉 I would really love to see your reaction in the cockpit in the 747 or A320. I fly the Boeing 777 a lot and it would be so great to see the immersion if you fly it with your magical chair. Awesome video 👊🏻
Ok.. that got me excited to really look into a motion rig... Also... Yes.. please do a video on a FA-18 would be great.. but please calibrate it first... 🙂
Great video's as always and been watching them for a long time now... Always a blast and very helpful!!! I have a Quest 2 and HP Reverb G2
Much Appreciated!!!
This looks fun! Thank you so much for trying out all these different gadgets and of course sharing it with all of us. I have also a request when the time comes. Can you get and review for us the so called smallest VR set for the time being - Bigscreen Beyond?! I am sure many would be happy to see your review of this one if you can get your hands on it! Thank you again for the great content you are sharing with us! Keep up!
Thankyou Victor my pleasure. I have been trying to contact them but so far, nothing yet.. I won't give in that easy though :)
Can relate to the first time i used my motion on flight and racing. Nice vid!!
I would like to see a follow up video where you upgrade to the 3 directions of freedom. Then maybe upgrade to the sixth direction of freedom set up.
Love your enthousiasm! Keep making those great videos!
Thanks so much!!
What a great combination Captain, Thank to share !
My pleasure thankyou for watching 😊
I have the DOF Reality P3 for iracing and freaking love it!
Awesome video Steve! I’m always super intrigued by motion platforms and how well they integrate with MSFS. A lot of attention seems to go to racing sims typically.
Question: do you know if DOF solutions can be fitting onto other frames? I have a NExt Level Racing cockpit frame and I’d be curious if that would work.
Anyway, please show videos about how to configure the software etc…😊
I have flown a 172 in real life here in Leicester, Steve, and I play MSFS2020 and the biggest thing I noticed when flying for real was the bumps and roller coaster type feelings you get when taking off and in the air that you don't feel at all playing the sim. This looks like a game changer !
Yes exactly that! You're not too far from me :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy Cool, whereabouts are you Steve, roughly ? 😁
Nice, Steve! Now install a Buttkicker for frame vibrations and a TensionR active seatbelt to enhance the G-Force feel😊
Best vr experience I ever had was doing a VR flight simulator in my tent trailer during a wind storm. The motion of the environment was awesome.
I would love to fly a motion seat, but given the cost differential, I think I'll just have to wait for another windy day. :)
Love the excitement. Same thing that happened to me when I tried mine! :)
im not far from pushing the Buy Button of that thing. Have all together at my sim only motion is missing. Great Video
Now I'm super jealous! Great video!
Thankyou for watching 😊😊
I just ordered my first motion rig 👍🏻 can’t wait to experience this
Wow congratulations! Which did you go for? You'll absolutely love it.
@@VRFlightSimGuy I ordered the DOF Reality P3
It's always great to see something knock you sideways (in a good way) like this Steve. My request: please try out solid IMC, maybe (once you're on top of it) fly a manual ILS approach with cloudbase and visibility both down to minimums. It's way too easy to stay on the instruments without motion, but I suspect that this will make even straight and level flight much more like the challenge it really is.
One solution to falling out of the seat while banking would be to fit a harness to it 😄 And just like that, another checklist item becomes relevant.
Great suggestions thank you!
Never thought about the VR headset moving around with the motion platform. I was not really interested in a motion sim, but now I am thinking about one, lol.
Great content mate, as usual. Don’t you mind planning a DCS FA-18 full carrier ops video?
super example of the platform. Be good to see a full review of how it is used, with third party software, and things like how much noise it makes and how heavy it is. Looks great fun though.
Nice! I fly Gliders in a 3DOF motion rig and feeling the air move around you is such an amazing experience and helps me being a better pilot.
That is awesome!
Pitch, Roll, and Yaw?
@@ComdrStew yep
@@GeorgOrtner Nice!
What a fantastic experience that must be! Thanks for sharing!
I would like to see it work with DCS. And I'm curious about you missing the up and down movement since this is only 2 DOF?
Lucky you. Amazing stuff as always !!!
Thanks for watching 😊
For motion compensation you need to fit a sensor that tracks the movement of the rig. Refer to the SRS documentation.
Yes but this does not currently work except in Steam VR
Wait until you do a catapult launch off the carrier! One of my favorite experiences with the motion platform. Congratulations on putting it all together... Looks like you did a great job! One recommendation until you get motion comp is turn down the roll to 15 or so so you don't come out of the plane. I'm working on motion comp on mine and will keep you posted to my solution. Enjoy my friend!
Thanks buddy, looking forward to seeing what solution you come up with. This has spoiled me for life now 😁😁
@@VRFlightSimGuy Welcome to the club! Couldn't happen to a better guy!
@@GYGOtv Thankyou 😊😊😊
don't apologize for your space!. Would enjoy an f-14 video on dcs.
Hope you get to keep it!
Thankyou that's very kind of you to say that 😊
I've always wanted one of these. I would like to see a video with various motion platforms explained a bit more in detail, there appears to be different versions at varying prices and I want to get the right one for me. Still trying to decide on a new VR helmet.
Couldn’t fly without motion now. Plus a FE buttkicker too. Amazing.
F15 or F16 around the Mach Loop please Steve 😁! The H2 looks good, and the H3 even better. I worry that it isn't sturdy enough for the Thrustmaster TPR pedals though. Really want to see Melissa fly it as well 🤣, though I guess she has flown with you IRL.
I have got to get one! looked at the web site I love in the FAQ there is a section on how to convince the wife its a good buy. Another great video.
LOL thanks Robert! Best of luck
The rabbit hole is now well and truly opened. 😂
😂🤣👍👀
The only time I’d feel “side to side” movement when i fly is when I taxi or on an occasional crosswind gust. Also I’ve never felt my body “weighing” to the left when banking left - rather pressure to the seat.
My grin was nearly as big as yours while watching. 😃
Thankyou so much!
If you havent, try the strong winds challenge at Nanwalek, head 150 degrees towards the mountains, its a real kick in the pants in the h6 :)
A motion platform is what I'm missing in my setup, so thanks for the first reaction video. You ask what is still missing, but the G-forces are the one thing I remember when I flew which I don't think this would simulate. Example, pushing the nose down, sure you pitch, but you won't feel light in the seat. But hey, if you can't fly in real life, why not get as close as you can for the sensation of realism.
Check out their site. Some models give 0.5G motion.
@@bobbyd6680 Ah yes, the H3. That's pretty cool. Expensive too, but it is a lot more complex for that additional DOF.
amazing Steve ... DCS next offcourse😀♥️
Thankyou. Noted :)
Hi Steve. Mark from Simhanger has just purchased and reviewed a different haptic feedback seat pad from yours using 8 Spinners instead of the 6 transducers in yours. It also doesn't need an amplifier and is almost half the price of the one you are using. I've suggested that he gives you a visit and tries yours (and you his) to get a review by someone that has tried both types of haptic seat. That would be very interesting.
This looks incredible Steve! A great video too :)
Thanks very much. Great channel btw, I've just subbed :)
I am so proud to say that I was the only one to bother you for the longest to get a motion sim. In my mind you had the peanut butter and was missing the jelly.
Haha and for that, I thankyou sir!
What a great video. The price seems very reasonable as well. Enjoy!
Thanks for watching Luke. For what you get, I agree this is great value!
It would be great to hear how Reverb G2 handles motion compensation :) Great video btw - pure raw joy :D
Thankyou and great suggestion :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy Did you got also "HoneyComb Alpha+Bravo plate" or just stock H2+SFU?
Amazing, I would like to see you in a F/A-18 Dogfighting :D
Hi Steve, great vid, and I have been thinking of getting a DOF motion platform for sometime now, but have backed off because of some negative feedback from people who have experienced some problems with the motors, ie, jerky movements etc. Can I ask who was the supplier of your motion platform, and are there any UK suppliers, and thank you so much for all the vlogs you have done. You are the reason I got into vr in the first place. I have had real world flying lessons in the past, but really expensive so gave up, this is the next best thing, and so much cheaper. Keep up the fantastic work that you are doing.
Awesome video! Thank you!!! I am almost ready to pull the trigger on the dofreality. I fly Cirrus in real life and I was wondering how to switch frequencies, use the flight plan, autopilot features, etc... To make it more clear. I can see that all the controls works, but how do you interact with the avionics panel without taking off the VR goggles all the time? Thanks again!!!
Im using the yaw 2 with pitch , roll and have the 360 platform coming and also getting the heave
Just as has been the case for many with TrackIR and VR, I bet this is one tool you will never do without after now. Personally, I have only gone as far as TrackIR but its something I often do without in MSFS because of my settings brouhaha. It's much too jittery for my liking in a civilian flying sim like MSFS but I'm forced to adapt to it with IL-2 Sturmovik.
Good one Steve. Checked the price on this - and for the avid sim racer/flyer, I think it is well within reach price wise. Good to see your impression. Did you miss not having having the feeling of yaw?
Juu..st great! I'll certainly buy a motion simulator. Don't know yet which one. Yaw2 or this? Fly F-16, please!
Steve / Sharky Are you guys going to do a setup video to help us newbies to get the settings for the rig set up in the sim and the VR?
Great video!! What about 3 axis? Would it be worth it for a cessna/comercial flying (non aerobatic) usage?
Excellent video!
What I'd really like to see is if you could put someone who can't usually use VR because of motion sickness on the platform with the transducer seat and see if it helps that person's level of sickness. I reckon it would help if not completely alleviate the VR motion sickness because the vestibular/ocular disconnect wouldn't be there anymore
Fantastic suggestion thanks!
I would also love to see that. I have to give up VR because of that. It would be an affordable option to get into it again.
I've been flying using a DOF Reality H2 motion rig for over a year now, along with two haptic transducers under the seat for Buttkicker like vibrations. The first time I flew with it I literally burst out laughing, as it was just so much fun. It takes a bit of fine tuning to get it right and less is more for flight sims, as you really just need the accelerations acting on your inner ears to trick the brain, rather than big movements.
Thanks Sean, I'm learning fast that's for sure. It's bloody wonderful hey!
Based on less is more comment, would you say it makes more sense to get DOF rather than Yaw2 for msfs?
@@lvx4408 I'm not familiar with the Yaw2, so couldn't say. DOF are OK but the freight charges are really high. Much better to make your own if you are able; there are a number of forums dedicated to DUI motion platforms and there is open source software to drive them. My comment about less is more for VR flight sims meant that you don't really need to full range of motion to fool the brain into feeling the illusion of being in the air.
it was a joy putting together, can't believe im saying that... haha
I've never EVER said that sentence in my entire life before 🤣
I'm in Australia. The base price for this unit seemed pricey but reasonable until I saw that the exhorbitant freight costs are two thirds the cost of the Motion Rig ! I'll have to pass for the time being as enthusiastic as I was after watching this. By the way I am not sure if DOf Reality are aware that international freight prices have since plummeted now we've moved on from Covid but hopefully they'll read this and maybe comment.
Yeah a drop in shipping cost would hook me in. Last I checked it was over $1000aud
Great. Another toy that I need to have. Thanks a lot.
Pleasure!
Good stuff Steve. Your kid like reaction is what I would be like 😄Man I would love a motion rig kind of out of the question right now for me as they are not cheap. But! ......
Oh yes.......... one day it will be mine 😁
Wonder what it would be like in a Heli?
Cheers Neelfly, I felt like a kid on Christmas day haha. Appreciate the comment and for watching the video. Take care.
Hi Steve, pleased to know you like it. Am Interested in the Dof Reality but I think the P2 has more movement 40 roll and is faster. When you ordered it did it come with the SFU upgrade installed? Where is your screen ? Please post more about it.
Be well
To me this looks like a great setup and adds realism, others out there might comment that the way the motion rig throws you around isnt realistic at all compared to real flying? Im confused by the mixed opinions.
Welcome to the Motion Club ;-)
Thanks! 😁
EXTRAORDINARY!!!!!!!
Really great affordable device which can be realized in terms of space.
I want to see it with motion compensation correctly set up. And I want to know if it alleviates motion sickness.
I hope you make a video when you work out motion compensation, because I have the H3, and I haven't done anything with the motion compensation yet. I'm not very good at this kind of thing, so a video would be great. Thanks in advance.
Great suggestion! I'm on it :)
VR on a motion rig flying at rooftop altitude fast would be unreal. Do it.
Welcome to the Motion club! Aaaaand, you have a rig at last!
Thankyou so much for the warm welcome :)
@@VRFlightSimGuy It is a warm welcome, but also a warning... I doubt you will stop at 2DOF... I didn't! I have had motion for 10 years in one form or another and it's hard (e.g. not at all possible) to go backwards and fly/race without... I've had VR similar amount of time and I will say the same for that too... pancake mode left the building a while ago for you and unless you bolt your door quick, static flying will be chasing the pancakes and be a thing of the past in a few days!
@@VRFlightSimGuy Oh and another thing....a hint.... grab a copy of roller coaster simulator 2 ... to impress your freinds with VR and motion.... they get off quite quick.... if you let them have a go on a flight or race sim, you may have to prise them off the seat to get a go.
@@ProjectImmersion I'm already thinking I need Yaw for helicopters. Down the rabbit hole I go...
@@VRFlightSimGuy it makes such a difference ;)
Well done for getting the DOF Reality H2.
I have the DOF Reality H6. I have had it for a couple of years. I upgraded to the new gearboxes last year. It is absolutely incredible!
A few words of advice….
The biggest problem is motion compensation. As far as I know there is no solution as yet.
The motion compensation in the SimRacing Studio software relates to a little accelerometer you can buy (about £30) BUT it ONLY works with Steam (so it will work with x-plane). Be warned it is a pain in the butt and very temperamental.
For MSFS, the secret is that less is more. Newbies are tempted to crank up the motion…. That will result in you sliding out of the cockpit as you showed in the video. Turn settings right down and this will improve matters considerably…. It is a bit like your advice to tone down graphics settings…. You don’t need fill motion of the seat.
Also, add a buttkicker under the seat to get maximum effect…. Trust me 😊
If you come across a solution to the motion compensation problem I would love to hear about it. Not even Varjo have been able to crack this (I have written to them).
Last week I flew a full sized 6-Axis A320 sim in Manchester. Believe me, the experience was not that much better than what get when I fly the Phoenix A320 with my 6-Axis seat.
I have even suffered mild air sickness when flying over a hot desert with bumpy air all around!
Enjoy!!!!! I love my rig and cannot fly without it.
looks like there is an open xr mc now in alpha testing
@@gordonmutch8086 That is excellent news. Do you have any more detail? Is this a SimRacingStudio development?
Awesome. I've already got a cockpit (GT Omega Prime) but I see they do a 'seat mover', something I'm now considering if I can figure out how to attach my throttle & stick to the seat so they move with it.
Trust me…. A seat mover is nowhere near as good as the DOF rig.
I started with a seat mover (next level racing v3), but quickly decided that I wanted something where all of the controls moved along with the seat. It was odd having the seat moving, but the flight yoke and pedals staying stationary. for example when pitching up at a steep angle, the seat pitched backwards, and I could barely keep my feet on the rudders. even though it's more costly, my opinion is that you'll be happier if you go with at least an H2 or H3.