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@@lloyddaley6169 No one's promised tomorrow. what would you do if you're under his daughter was messing with somebody over 50 years old? and if you're saying the opposite of what you would do; your lying. no man is going to throw his life away like that unless it's his wife, children, or money. so which of the three is it?
@@Jblaze024 This is much deeper than we will ever be told from a Corporate Media talking head. This whole country is covered with a veil of secrecy that was completely exposed in the 80s and 90s. 9/11 stopped the efforts to take the evil ones down
all I want to say is no sheriff is going to commit that crime to a judge for one of his deputies. not going to happen. the actions of the sheriff are a result of either wife, children, or finances. which of the three is it?
Could be either, some, or all. It can also include the situation with the his deputy. Sheriff could see his life crumbling and blamed the judge, or he just got enraged seeing his daughters number in the judge's phone thinking they're plotting against him. 🤷🏽♀️. We'll find out soon enough.
I think it’s just cause they’re in a small town and state w low funding, I’ve been in very nice judges chamber before with a couch and multiple seats in there
I think it would be difficult to investigate people you know, or work closely with. Not a typical investigation. But I WAS surprised by how little he had investigated this in preparation for court.
@@juliew6229 ikr I think this case needs to be Adjudicated in another county as this small town is too close for comfort to be fair and just in their verdict.
@@denisbenoit5289 You commented on my thought exactly. It's even worse in the short clip where he goes on about the puppet and its master, as if all crimes are controlled by criminal masterminds.
Yea it's sad so many people are smearing him on a rumor. It would sum up 2024 in a nutshell if the man trying to help someone escape abuse ends up dead for it and people smear him as a creep.
Don’t know if anyone heard the testimony like I did. When the defense attorney asked the “lead investigator” about the daughter’s phone number being “on the phone.” Did anyone else think that maybe the question should have been a little more specific? Like was the daughter’s phone number SAVED to the judge’s phone as a contact or just on the call log because the sheriff called her from it? That’s just the way my mind heard it yall.
She worked for the Judge at the court. Most bosses have employees numbers so to me that doesn't seem odd. And it has been widely reported that the families were good friends and the Judge was like an uncle to her.
Pay attention theyre telling you! The sheriffs family wouldnt answer for his own calls but when he borrowed the judges phone his daughter answered when he called. The sheriff didnt like the judge helping his family behind his back so once it was confirmed by his daughter answering the phone, he went back inside and shot him
@@catsanddogs8983not at all if the reason they didn't answer the sheriff's call is because of abuse. There's not enough evidence available right now. Sheriff either took out a pedo or took out a man attempting to help victims of domestic abuse.
I saw some postings that the sheriff was abusive to his wife and she was planning on leaving him with her daughter. The judge was helping them. The sheriff learned about it and when his daughter didn’t answer his call but answered the judge’s call, he got the verification and snapped.
@@arielsea9087 I know what you mean. But this was from someone who knew the people involved but didn’t want to be identified now. It seems plausible to me that this sheriff was abusive just by how he killed the judge. Angry and flew off the handle. Imagine how he could be at home. I guess we’ll see.
May make some sense because that "lead detective" said that the sheriff while being arrested said something like " they're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter "
Maybe the judge was communicating to the Sheriff's wife through the daughter's phone because the Sheriff was monitoring his wife's phone. Just a plausible theory.
He found out that his wife and daughter were trying to get away from him. Why are you not reporting that they had left him before this happened. The motive is obvious he wanted to prevent them leaving. Not kidnapped but rescued.
Vinnie likes to DRAG everything out for money . He barely tells anything new in these videos. I wish they would get rid if him and change their approach to this channel. They won't though . They make so much money off views for telling us what we already know lolol
Eh, forming that conclusion with such little information is called conjecture. It does look bad for him, but we don't know all the facts or how the facts we do know tie together. We know very little at this point, all we could do is speculate.
@@SheldonRobert-x8o Rumor has it the sheriff's wife was leaving him (because like most cops, he's abusive) and was taking the daughter with her. Supposedly the judge was helping to get them out safely. I don't know if it's true or not, that's just the rumor.
@@christopheraaron8299 If I were the only Judge in such a small community, who would likely be overseeing the Divorce proceedings, then that's weird.. And is his wife having an affair with the Judge that might be overseeing that Divorce Proceeding? Either way, a little girl's phone number should not be on the phone the Judge.
Something is fishy here. Why would the lead investigator not ask what the conversation was about before the shooting took place. Something is being covered up here
I read that the wife and daughter left him a month before the shooting. The judge helped the family and the sheriff were jealous and decided to kill the judge? The mother and daughter have denied that there were any sexual assaults going on.
Where did you hear this from? Which source? I have not seen this on any credible site. Also, he has 2 daughters, one will be 17 this December and the other appears to be a bit older than the other one.
The sheriff used the judges phone before the murder and realized his family answered the phone when they thought the judge was calling but wouldn't answer the sheriffs call so he went back in shooting
Judge facilitating the sheriff’s wife and daughter’s ‘escape’ from abusive situation (to a battered women’s shelter? )… sheriff’s decided to construe this as attempting to ‘kidnap’ his wife and child
@@TheSingingGardener They might have felt awkward or uncertain about sitting by the family of the judge since he was allegedly murdered trying to help them? Or sometimes you still care about a horrible abuser, even if you are trying to escape. Maybe both.
Maybe the wife was having an affair with the judge. In my heart of hearts, I just don’t believe the sheriff abused his wife or daughter. I just think the judge has creepy all over him, I am sorry to family, but just being honest.
@@Thewitchesflame not true if wife and daughter are afraid of him why would they be sitting in court behind him supporting him and why would a family member have a GoFundMe up for the family?
Interesting that people are assuming that the sheriff's actions were justified. Or that the victim (judge) MUST have done something to drive the sheriff to murder him.
@@LigmaBallz91if rumors are true (rumors are partly true and not) if the EX-sheriff was abusive,then no you aren't just going to walk out the door and things done in secret happen for situations like that all the time.
@@stephenbarabas6286 I didn’t say family members can’t secretly leave the husband. However, if the judge implemented himself into the situation, he, as a judge, jeopardized ANY LEGAL ACTION taken from there on. And what I mean by that is that he could not legally preside over their case. He would have had to recuse himself. He did not follow protocol. There’s more to the story that’s not being told. Wifey and judge were up to something deeper than her leaving her husband. The secrecy is the key when there are other legal avenues any sane judge would have told her to pursue, like file for divorce, get a restraining order or protection order, get enough essentials and stay at an undisclosed location. The fact that the rumor is that the judge was helping her leave in secrecy should be the key to all of this. They were already in too deep somewhere else and somehow got the daughter involved (probably manipulation, married women are masters at it and married women cheat WAY more than you’d realize). Problem is, sheriff may have a hard time proving anything beyond reasonable doubt since our current culture is “all cops bad” and “believe all women.”
@LigmaBallz91 The process is a protective order. The judge signing it IS the process. Then the alleged victims leave, and defendant has no contact until the hearing. If the victims are truly afraid for their lives they DO leave in secret BEFORE the defendant is served.
As any parent would if they find out that someone was molesting or harming their child in anyway! If those rumors are true that the judge was having inappropriate contact with an underage girl that father did exactly what any good father would have done
@@lisastringfellow8524. IF the rumors are true. I’m from a small town not too far away from here and any little thing that happens is like a game of telephone. The story changes and gets bigger overtime with each retelling. Lord knows what actually happened. The gossip mills run overtime in these little towns.
Maybe the judge was going to grant a Restraining Order to the sheriff’s wife and daughter. Maybe the sheriff was so butthurt that he was losing his control that he decided to take his anger out on the judge. 🤷🏻♀️
The sheriff used the judges phone before shooting him, the rumor is he called his family and realized they wouldn't answer his calls but they picked up when he called from the judges phone. So he went back in and shot
As far as I know, nobody can talk directly to the Judge about their cases specifically if you know them personally. And if the Judge know them personally, they need to excuse themselves from the case and have another Judge handle it.
He called his daughter or his wife on the Judges phone, who most likely tried to hide from the Sheriff, once dudes daughter or wife answered and didnt realize it was her father/husband on the other line...
Would you have regret if you found out someone was molesting your child? Which is bring alleged in Whitesburg according to my relatives who live near there!
It appears that the Sheriff couldn’t accept rejection from his wife and the Judge was trying to help his wife and daughter leave him. If this is true that is the cause for the murder but it’s never a reason to commit such a horrible crime. I think the Judge told the wife of the Sheriff in a text message that he would send Deputys to help her and the daughter leave and that is where the kidnapping part comes in to play. It appears that the Sheriff was never going to let his wife and daughter leave him and they were probably the next target.
That really doesn't make sense. If he didn't want his family broken up, he wouldn't resign himself to life in prison. The alleged grooming and abuse of the daughter makes more sense. He may have had it under another name
@@ProudCanadian-vv6bk the abuse story sounds like BS. The sheriff is dirty. We already know he covered for his deputy who was raping women at the courthouse at night and is named in a lawsuit. And now he shoots a judge. He's the criminal.
The idea the judge was doing something with the daughter doesn't work. The sheriff would have outright said that and it would have been the headline. The idea that the sheriff's wife and kid might have been abused and where trying to leave him actually fits more since the sheriff is staying awfully quiet. The second scenario of anger issues and such also fits unloading a gun on a friend without a sign of remorse.
The sheriff is staying quiet because he works in the system. At no point ever under any conditions even if you're completely innocent should you speak to the police if you're the subject of an investigation. You only speak through a lawyer ANYTHING You say can and WILL be used AGAINST you
@@LigmaBallz91ofc. But what makes the most sense is what op stated. There's not enough available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion right now but I'm with op until something shows otherwise
I saw a video of a German woman and used a hole puncher on a dude, in the courtroom ,that assaulted her little girl. She didn’t leave his punishment to an ambivalent judge. She took care of business and sacrificed her own life for justice.
@@Cathycupcake68 I forget. It could be he murdered her. But, as I remember, I think they let mother out after some time. I’m not saying it’s best case scenario but, I got a lot of respect for that mom. It illustrates the love she had for her daughter, but, that’s just me. I was willing to lay down my life for a bunch of strangers as a soldier and a cop. The Lord says revenge is His, I will repay. I believe that, and I trust the Lord’s ability to punish better than I could. I wonder where the little girls dad was. Where was the mom that the demon was able to put hands on her.
The sheriff didn’t seem very remorseful it’s as if he feels justified by his actions. Mind blowing 🤯 how an officer of the law could loose his control and kill a judge in his own chambers. It’s as if the sheriff’s last ditch attempt for control boy what a disgraceful pathetic man and still blaming the victim
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This makes sense since the investigator mentioned that the sheriff said, “they’re trying to kidnap my wife and daughter”. It appears he wasn’t exactly thinking straight about the situation, paranoia. Etc.
Nobody is asking why the daughter didn't answer the phone call from her dad, but she did from the judge? Maybe the sheriff was abusive 🤔 towards his family, and they wanted nothing to do with him. I know everyone is trying to say that the judge was having some type of relationship with the sheriff's daughter. I also heard that the wife wanted a divorce from the Sheriff.
@@agds91078 welp, behind closed doors, a lot of people are not who you think they are. fact is, wife and daughter were getting away from this dad/husband.
Him saying "They're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter" was a spur of the moment hail Mary trying to justify what he just did to his fellow officers. Like when someone claims self defense when they obviously just killed the person in cold blood
Agreed. I live in eastern Ky and we dont call it Appalachia, its just home. Also, first time hearing Vinnie, is he always this over dramatic? Very weird beginning!
He doesn't. He keeps calling the sheriff by his first name; they know each other. Even if they're not best buds, it has to be uncomfortable for the detective to be investigating someone he has worked with.
Several people from Letcher County have said that the sheriff's wife was seeking a divorce and the Judge was trying to help her. Supposedly, the sheriff has a past of domestic violence and control issues and he was upset that the judge was trying to help his wife procure a divorce.
That's what I've seen, apparently the sheriff borrowed the judges phone and when he realize his own family would answer the phone for the judge but not for him, he lost it
Since everyone is speculating, has the possibility been considered that maybe Judge had video implicating the sheriff in the ongoing proceedings of sexual misconduct in the chambers?
Could be because these other idiots speculations make zero sense with the wife and daughter right there in court supporting the sheriff! 🤦♀️ amazes me how dumb people are!
The main rumor I've seen is the sheriff was abusive to his family and the judge was helping his wife divorce him. The sheriff used the judges phone and called his own family so when they answered for the judge but not for his calls, he lost it and shot the judge. That's why he borrowed his phone before the shooting but who knows the truth unless someone comes out with the facts
Is it possible that this guy is having like a paranoid break where he's thinking people are trying to get his family? Because it's awful impulsive, adding his statement after the shots fired, he states that his family was being abducted. It's weird
Unfortunately we do not have a justice system any longer. It’s broke, applies to some and not others, allows dangerous criminals that should have lengthy sentences to walk free, etc.
@jakobellis8244 yep I think he'll claim crime of passion (wife and daughter) and he snapped. But he should still go to prison. After all, he is the definition of justice and the way it's handled. It's all so crazy.
A "crazy mad" parent still has no right to take another's life. He made himself judge, jury and executioner. I think we need to hear some actual facts instead of conjecture.
@KevinAskin The sheriff's wife and daughter had left him the month before. The sheriff's family has said there was no sa. It's more likely the judge was helping them obtain an order of protection from him. They refused to answer the phone from the sheriff but answered for the judge. The statement about kidnapping his family appears to bear this scenario out as being more likely.
This is an Appalachian town, with a population of 1,170. Anyone who lives in a larger town, can’t begin to understand the social dynamics of a town under 2000. I went from living in L.A. to a tiny town of 7000 in the middle of nowhere. I have to drive over an hour to get to a UPS store, or a “chain” restaurant, or auto repair shop. We have a Walmart that sells groceries. It’s a different life, and I can guarantee you those Townspeople know what’s been going on, whether they chose to talk about it or not it.
This has been devastating for our little community, being a neighbor and friend to the stines family my brain is fried from all of this because I just can’t wrap my brain around it all. I hate it so bad for both families and for those of us who knew these men personally as friends, neighbors and even family.
@@agds91078 I’m so sorry for the struggle yall are going through. I cannot even imagine how yall are coping. We don’t stop to think about friends and neighbors and kin.
It appears as though the investigator on the stand didn't want to really say much about the case. I'm wondering if something is trying to be covered up about the judge.
I do not think the sheriff believed his wife/daughter were in extreme danger due to being kidnapped...I believe they were going to be spirited away because they WANTED to get away from him. Still could be extreme emotional turmoil because the sheriff was about to lose control of his family. Just a fair guess from someone who has watched domestic violence cases unfold more than once.
Mother and daughter were trying to get away from an abusive and controlling cop. The Judge was helping them, as he often did with other members of the community, and the Sheriff was outraged and jealous, so he killed the judge. He is no hero.
@@NancyHampton-w6j because people often have a hard time accepting and dealing with someone they once cared about, murdering people? why did the step dad carly greg shot, defend her? why do the parents of her mom, the woman she murdered, support her? i would say because they are weak. same thing with these people. they are weak. they have also came out and said publicly that the daughter was not being abused. so the narrative used to support him also doesnt make any sense. and yet, i dont see you questioning that
they took a break and the head investigator if u can call him that said there was video evidence. u would think they would say to the family members if they wanted to leave and come back in for the families sake.
@@marcbahn5487 Regional name. My entire family tree is from Harlan Co KY & Wise Co VA. Outside of that area of the country I don't remember anyone ever saying Appalachia correctly, ever. I live in NM. We have lots of native named cities like Kissimmee FL. Apple at cha is the best way I've seen spelled phonetically. Or if you're true hillbilly you might say apple at che.
@@pamlove421 Local, regional, national, etc., doesn't matter. A name is a name. When most people refer to the 'correct' pronunciation of a place, they mean how the residents pronounce it. Assuming we all know how 'Houston' is pronounced, for example, it's the way the Texas city is pronounced by the residents or the way Sam Houston pronounced it, right? There's a Houston Avenue in Macon, GA and most of the residents pronounce it HOUSE-tun. So the correct pronunciation of Houston is ??? Just having a little fun with ya, ok? Because Kissimmee came immediately to mind while reading your post. For the record, I've never heard my relatives up there in the Carolina foothills say the A word.
This community knows what’s been going on. The wife and daughter left the sheriff weeks ago. There’s a lot of sharing of info from a wife and daughter, and typically not from the man, who probably doesn’t consider himself abusive.
I watched the preliminary as it happened and it was something very hard on my soul to watch a man’s final moments play out on video. I mean I knew it happened but to actually see it happen like that was chilling.
you know why? I guarantee you she was sending naughty pictures to the judge and that's what the sheriff seen or he called her number and she answered. whatever the case is good friends don't have their kids number in their phone.
Is that a rhetorical question? Do you already think you know why? Did you learn that the sheriff said something about the judge trying to kidnap his wife and daughter? Could it be possible that the judge was trying to help them get away from a domestic violence situation? The general public doesn’t know the details yet!
@@barbiekat6352 that may be possible. But.... he is the judge. Why wouldn't he go about it the correct way? Why pretend to be his friend through the day and behind the chiefs back talk to a child behind his back. And if the judge thought he was unstable. Why allow him to walk around the streets with a gun? Just wondering
We don't know what this Sheriff is like behind closed doors of HIS own home? Was his wife n daughter trying to get away from him? Was the judge gonna help them do that? If the judge actually did something unforgivable to the sheriff's daughter, I get that n him taking the law into his own hands..but murdering over a saved phone number.. there's more to this n hopefully we'll find out the truth soon. But like I said b4 who will protect his daughter now, now that he'll be in prison for the rest of his life 🤷♂️
The fact that the Cop is trying to get away with it, proves his guilt. Video does not lie, Video is an objective witness. Using the mental card is a pathetic excuse.
@@morph8326 WTF are you talking about? So, using your logic, criminal defendants aren’t entitled to a trial and or defense because if they plead not guilty it means they’re guilty?
What? He’s not trying to get away with anything He immediately surrendered And mental state does make a difference to anyone’s actions Obviously I’m not saying he’s innocent. I’m just saying what you said was so naive. It’s not even funny.
Totally. From what we're being told, the sheriff seems scary AF. But for some reason everyone online is making the judge out to be a pedo. Crazy world we live in.
The judge having the daughters phone number is what it’s setting it all off. It is a little creepy questionable. And no one is coming for it and saying there’s any sign of abuse from this sheriff for this family.
@@kimperry8445If the judge was helping them get away from an abusive situation, he would have their numbers. I suspect the judge told the sheriff at lunch that he either had, or was going to, sign an order of protection against him.
@@tonilharmon not me. Wife and daughter are in court sitting behind him. I don’t think they would be there if they didn’t support him. Plus the sister-in-law is doing a go fund me for the family and in that picture there’s a picture of him and his wife. Besides, he would have the wifes number not daughter.
@kimperry8445 The seating arrangement thing means absolutely nothing. I love how some people will just immediately gravitate to the sleaziest scenario out there without knowing a thing about it. Occams razor. We will find out during trial. Until then you are smearing a man who is unable to defend himself. Disrespecting the dead with absolutely no proof is particularly vile.
Sheriff was abusive to wife and daughter and the judge was helping them somehow with escaping. Thats why the sheriff keeps saying they were going to kidnap his family and that was his reason for killing the judge. Facts keep coming in but that's the picture.
@kuatojones6950 This is all speculation I doubt his family would show up in court for him if he was being abusive. Who knows what really happened except the Sheriff and his family
they never say the number was IN the phone, only that he called from his phone and no answer and that he then called from the judges phone and she answered. Now it could have been in there or she simply could have answered because it was an unknown call. Unlike adults, children answer every call.
@@LigmaBallz91Why did she refuse her dad's call? They had left the sheriff weeks before. There's a reason for that. I suspect the judge told him at lunch he was, or had, signed an order of protection against him. The sheriff's family has said there was no sx aspect to this.
Thank you the number being in the phone versus on the phone is different. If the sheriff just called her on the judges phone then the number would be on the phone. Not stored in the phone
@@woowaptibam5253 it was already in the phone. KSP admitted that on the stand. They’re not worried about the number. Their concern is communication apps on both their phones that the cell phone service provider wouldn’t be able to give them the data on.
i thought that the head investigator knows his pulse was pulsating all red face he so didnt want to be in that seat answering questions i know early days into investigation but he wasnt prepared eirther that or a crappy investigator.should have took daughters phone for sure
This case is just another extremely strong argument for why audio & visual photography filming should be allowed in court rooms and all government funded buildings through federal dollars.
It’s a domestic thing. Y’all aren’t telling us anything new. Good commenters though. I bet judge was helping mother and daughter. Daughter wouldn’t answer dad’s call.
That's very true. We don't have any details at all about why this officer did it other than just rumors and speculations and those 2 things aren't facts. We won't know til the data from the phone is revealed and that and that alone will give us the answers we want.
true, but what else can we do but speculate at this point. So far I see two possibilities 1) the judge was diddling the daughter 2) the judge was helping the sheriff's wife leave him. Either one could make a man upset.
@@clayton56tube that's true as well but for the 1st speculation, evidence needs to back it up and the number alone isn't significant enough otherwise people will make assumptions that any number of a minor, regardless of the minor's relationship( family, friend) will make them a pedo. That's why we need to be very careful making serious claims or speculations on something like that without evidence.
The detective was asked what he knows, not what he may have heard…big difference!!! When he sees reports from forensic analysis, he will be able to testify what he knows.
Everyone is on the internet trying to guess what happened, but the Sheriff knows exactly what happened. Since the cops are so honest and upstanding, why doesn't the sheriff clear the whole thing up?
This is MURDER, in my opinion he already knew what he was going to find on the Judges phone. He planned this out knowing even saying it's 2nd degree. 😢
I heard the judge s very fair judge. Maybe he s trying to help Sheriff family. Maybe sheriff wife feel guilty causing judge s dead. She s in a hard spot doesn't know what to say. She doesn't want to make it worse for husband but doesn't want to admit she cause judge dead.
The daughter’s number was on the phone BECAUSE the sheriff used Kevin’s phone to call her. We don’t know of the number was stored in Kevin’s phone… nor do we know if KEVIN ever called that number… or anyone other than the SHERIFF used the phone to call the daughter. STOP SPECULATING! Whatever any relationship was - if ANY- the penalty is NOT DEATH. Further PREMEDITATION wan be 1 second… any 1st yr law student knows this.., if he thought about it, it’s premeditated… and stopping at the door to deliver a fatal shot is DEFINITELY premeditation. The sheriff was experiencing family problems. I heard Kevin was helping the wife and daughter leave. IDK… why not wait and not SPECULATE? What I DO KNOW… KEVIN WAS M
If it's true that the wife and daughter were trying to get away from him, it wouldn't be that surprising that he calls it "kidnapping." Btw, i actually can't find anything about that particular motive. Can someone site an article?
@@clayton56tubeHE was the one they needed protecting from! Looks like the judge was possibly in talks for a protection order cos his wife and daughter left him the month before and Stines family has also CLEARLY stated there was NO inappropriate sexual harrassment.
It absolutely sounds too me the judge was helping a family leave an abusive, violent, controlling man (the sheriff) who was in charge of all law enforcement officers. He was losing control of his wife and daughters, and shot the innocent judge. Why are you assuming the judge did something wrong? Small town and they could only turn to the judge. I had to DISlike this video due to your poor assumptions against the victim.
People are confusing her number being on the phone from the sheriff using the judges phone to call his daughter. That's alot different then the daughters number being saved as a contact.
wow this think tank is ridiculous, her phone number wasnt in the judges phone until Stines called the number because his phone didnt work, they just said that in court. Vinny invented that fact that the daughters number was already in the phone. The sherriff is a defendant in the 2022 trial from the actual 2 victims that were ignored by Stines. Its all avaliable online. The daughter and mother and family denied any abuse online from the judge before today, thats already available online. The case has nothing to do with the judges phone. The mental illness is the stress of losing his job to the 2022 case. The judge refused to drop his case.
"They're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter." That sounds more like someone who is bitter and/or delusional that their family is getting help from the courts to separate.
*I will just keep pressing the fact that this is yet another example of why police officers should be bound by federal law to have no less than a 2-year degree in criminology, policing and it require specialized psychological training.* The average reading level of adult Americans is a 7th to 8th grade level and that means the average person of a 90 to 110 IQ. *That is inclusive of the majority of police officers.*
Keep in mind, as of now, the statement about the kidnapping is something that was relayed to the lead investigator by a 3rd party. Take it with a grain of salt… for now.
So here's my take. Sheriff Stine's separated from his wife about 1 month ago, and it's likely this separation includes a retraining order. Usually the judge involved in the restraining order is named, it is usually public record, but given the close personal relationship between Sheriff Stines and Judge Mullins, and indeed other judges in Letcher County, with no one else available to handle the case, Judge Mullins handles the case and his name is redacted from the restraining order. Then Sheriff Stines meets Judge Mullins, suspecting he is involved with imposing the restraining order. He also thinks the Judge might be in contact with his family, know their whereabouts and indeed, their new phone numbers. The sheriff wants to call his daughter, as he thinks his daughter will talk to him. He asks the judge for his phone, as sees his daughter's NEW number in the judge's phone (his daughter is messaging the judge, to update him if her crazy father persists with harassing / stalking them). Sheriff Stines, suffering from paranoia, blames Judge Mullins for "kidnapping his wife and daughter". He shoots the "kidnapper". No Sheriff Stines, your family was not kidnapped by Judge Mullins, they left you because you're nuts.
Can you please tell me where you got this information from? I can barely get any information on this case. I believe that your theory sounds more believable than other speculations that I've heard.
@@mindyourbizok I listened carefully to this video, collected the facts, discarded speculation. I additionally have some experience supporting people who struggle with mental ill health, so I think I understand the reason for the Sheriff accusation, where he accused the Judge of kidnapping his family. This statement, I think, is critical in understanding what is going on here.
Really hard to understand why so many people on this thread think that killing someone in cold blood is acceptable. The guy who killed the judge was The Sheriff. He more then anyone should have known killing someone in cold blood, no matter the reason, is absolutely wrong. Also, the Sheriff is no longer able to protect his Family because his stupid butt is sitting in jail. I'm sure the Judge wasn't his only person the Sheriff thought was his enemy. It wasn't done in the the Heat Of Passion. That's some real BS right there. He had already made up his mind he was going to shoot the Judge when he went into the Judges Chambers. That Sheriff is a Coward!
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Taking the law into your own hands never goes well
Whatever happened its not worth the death penalty
@@lloyddaley6169 No one's promised tomorrow. what would you do if you're under his daughter was messing with somebody over 50 years old? and if you're saying the opposite of what you would do; your lying. no man is going to throw his life away like that unless it's his wife, children, or money. so which of the three is it?
@@Jblaze024 This is much deeper than we will ever be told from a Corporate Media talking head. This whole country is covered with a veil of secrecy that was completely exposed in the 80s and 90s. 9/11 stopped the efforts to take the evil ones down
@@lloyddaley6169the sheriff thought it was? He murdered an unarmed man!
all I want to say is no sheriff is going to commit that crime to a judge for one of his deputies. not going to happen. the actions of the sheriff are a result of either wife, children, or finances. which of the three is it?
That not all
It was sheriffs daughter... crazy !!
Could be either, some, or all. It can also include the situation with the his deputy. Sheriff could see his life crumbling and blamed the judge, or he just got enraged seeing his daughters number in the judge's phone thinking they're plotting against him. 🤷🏽♀️. We'll find out soon enough.
I heard he did it cause you were cleaning taint at the truck stop
Rumor mill has it that the judge was in a sexual relationship with the Sheriff’s underaged daughter.
The biggest thing I learned is, I thought "judges quarters" were as fancy as the court room, it's literally a shitty office.
I think it’s just cause they’re in a small town and state w low funding, I’ve been in very nice judges chamber before with a couch and multiple seats in there
Well, that’s where the sex acts w inmates were taking place with the deputy go figure
Yes, and I thought I had it bad as a teacher!🤣
He was trapped in that tiny space and the sheriff still emptied the clip!
Lmao I thought the same
Lead investigator was trying to hide their cards.....If he really knows that little, they need a new lead investigator!
He seems compromised.
I think it would be difficult to investigate people you know, or work closely with. Not a typical investigation. But I WAS surprised by how little he had investigated this in preparation for court.
Did anyone else notice that when Stamper was called as a witness, the judge addressed him as "Clay", then corrected himself to his full name.
@@juliew6229 ikr I think this case needs to be Adjudicated in another county as this small town is too close for comfort to be fair and just in their verdict.
You don't reveal all of your evidence at a preliminary hearing. Just enough to get past probable cause which the video alone did.
“We learned a lot today “ continues to tell us the same thing we have been hearing since it happened
Untill court it's unlikely we will hear much new material because I'm sure he has a attorney
This guy is so melodramatic, it's annoying
Click bait ugh
@@freddiejay2512 It's new to me. 🤷🏽♀️
@@denisbenoit5289 You commented on my thought exactly. It's even worse in the short clip where he goes on about the puppet and its master, as if all crimes are controlled by criminal masterminds.
His cadence drives me bananas. I have to watch him on 2X speed
Same. He's so annoying.
Usually, I just avoid anything with him in it.
more drama queen than nancy grace
It seems like he is waiting on the teleprompter… needs to study news cadence. Also could zoom out of his still shot just a tad
And lip smacking🫤😫
Me too. 2x speed and it was like a normal person speaking
I always learn more from the comments than the actual narrative. Thank you to all who comment. You save me time. 😊
Some contributors to the comments are clueless.
Yes I read in the comments your mother cleans taint at the truck stop. She is the best tain5 licker in the county
You’re not learning anything, you’re reading unfounded theories. Use critical thinking skills and rely on evidence. Everything else is conjecture.
Nobody knows anything true at this time.
You're kidding right?
Word is his wife and daughter left him and that the Judge was helping them. We will find out who the dirtbag is soon enough.
Agree
Wow, major plot twist. Sheriff might actually be the villian
Another word is that the judge was forcing himself on the sheriff's daughter
Yea it's sad so many people are smearing him on a rumor. It would sum up 2024 in a nutshell if the man trying to help someone escape abuse ends up dead for it and people smear him as a creep.
Then why would they be sitting behind him in court supporting him then? You are FALSE!!!!
I haven’t heard or seen anyone mention the fact that the family came out and said it had nothing to do with the daughter being molested.
I understand that the SIL of the Sheriff’s wife denied SA of his daughter on a Go Fund Me created to raise $ for his defense.
@@Nurse_Kathyif it was the sister in law of the sheriffs wife, wouldn’t that make it the sheriffs sister?
@@augormasterson9312 could be her brother's wife also!
@@kae2275 Both would be a sister in law.
I don’t know the judges wife looks like she could be his sister just saying.
Don’t know if anyone heard the testimony like I did. When the defense attorney asked the “lead investigator” about the daughter’s phone number being “on the phone.” Did anyone else think that maybe the question should have been a little more specific? Like was the daughter’s phone number SAVED to the judge’s phone as a contact or just on the call log because the sheriff called her from it? That’s just the way my mind heard it yall.
You are CORRECT.
She worked for the Judge at the court.
Most bosses have employees numbers so to me that doesn't seem odd.
And it has been widely reported that the families were good friends and the Judge was like an uncle to her.
He specifically said the judge had called the daughters number
Was wondering this same exact thing! Saved contact or recent call? Which is it?
@@ohheyykristina you may need to hit the “read more” option on my original comment.
Pay attention theyre telling you! The sheriffs family wouldnt answer for his own calls but when he borrowed the judges phone his daughter answered when he called. The sheriff didnt like the judge helping his family behind his back so once it was confirmed by his daughter answering the phone, he went back inside and shot him
Helping himself to the sheriff's daughter...
Wow so he shot him because he didn't like the judge going behind his back to help his wife and daughter, that's pretty unbelievable.
The Judge should have kept his nose out of other people's marriage if he was not assigned to it.
@@catsanddogs8983not at all if the reason they didn't answer the sheriff's call is because of abuse. There's not enough evidence available right now. Sheriff either took out a pedo or took out a man attempting to help victims of domestic abuse.
@@grahamalastairkrebs2241…way to out yourself as an abuser.
This host drives me crazy with all the dramatic pauses. Speed it up bruh…
bigger drama queen than nancy grace
The pauses lead me to believe something is wrong with device if I am only listening 😊to
He tries to act like Nancy Grace but he cant quite pull it off.
Maybe a "light script"?
Vinnie is the best! Love all his comments! It's his show. Don't watch if you don't like it.
I saw some postings that the sheriff was abusive to his wife and she was planning on leaving him with her daughter. The judge was helping them. The sheriff learned about it and when his daughter didn’t answer his call but answered the judge’s call, he got the verification and snapped.
That makes the most sense since the family said it had nothing to do with the daughter being molested
Problem is internet hearsay. It's a phenomenon we are experiencing. Next thing is AI.
@@arielsea9087 I know what you mean. But this was from someone who knew the people involved but didn’t want to be identified now. It seems plausible to me that this sheriff was abusive just by how he killed the judge. Angry and flew off the handle. Imagine how he could be at home. I guess we’ll see.
May make some sense because that "lead detective" said that the sheriff while being arrested said something like " they're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter "
@@arielsea9087 You are spot on with the AI! It will be an uncompromising agent of chaos
Maybe the judge was communicating to the Sheriff's wife through the daughter's phone because the Sheriff was monitoring his wife's phone. Just a plausible theory.
if its how it was as some explain it then a very plausible answer you give
I thought the same thing
He found out that his wife and daughter were trying to get away from him. Why are you not reporting that they had left him before this happened. The motive is obvious he wanted to prevent them leaving. Not kidnapped but rescued.
Vinny should be checking the court records for the injunction for protection filed
Before now the rumors and speculation was molestation. Can't take comments as factual information.
@@bftvclips8925exactly why I don't believe rumors
Yes. Makes the most sense. P.S. my own father tried to kidnap me and my mother when she left him.
Vinnie likes to DRAG everything out for money . He barely tells anything new in these videos. I wish they would get rid if him and change their approach to this channel. They won't though . They make so much money off views for telling us what we already know lolol
The sheriff is clearly guilty and no justifiable excuse! I believe the sheriff lost all self control over his pending separation.
If that’s true the Grand Jury can bring a Manslaughter charge. Special circumstances. Crime of passion.
Eh, forming that conclusion with such little information is called conjecture. It does look bad for him, but we don't know all the facts or how the facts we do know tie together. We know very little at this point, all we could do is speculate.
Why would his impending divorce be relevant to The Judge having his minor daughter's phone number?
@@SheldonRobert-x8o Rumor has it the sheriff's wife was leaving him (because like most cops, he's abusive) and was taking the daughter with her. Supposedly the judge was helping to get them out safely.
I don't know if it's true or not, that's just the rumor.
@@christopheraaron8299
If I were the only Judge in such a small community, who would likely be overseeing the Divorce proceedings, then that's weird..
And is his wife having an affair with the Judge that might be overseeing that Divorce Proceeding?
Either way, a little girl's phone number should not be on the phone the Judge.
Something is fishy here. Why would the lead investigator not ask what the conversation was about before the shooting took place. Something is being covered up here
oh please there's always some lady with the comments
He asked hes just not saying I'm sure
He did ask I think
According to a news article I read. The Judge was having a sexual relationship with the sheriff's UNDERAGE daughter.
Not being hidden /covered up.... keeping their cards close to their vest until the investigation is completed.
I read that the wife and daughter left him a month before the shooting. The judge helped the family and the sheriff were jealous and decided to kill the judge? The mother and daughter have denied that there were any sexual assaults going on.
A sheriff who knew his deputy was assaulting women in the judges chambers was a domestic abuser? I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked
Where did you hear this from? Which source? I have not seen this on any credible site. Also, he has 2 daughters, one will be 17 this December and the other appears to be a bit older than the other one.
We will know when it comes out,these things take time prayers for both families,children
@@hariseldon2450 , Once he made that comment about his wife and daughter I knew it wasn’t SA. I have feelings that he was probably abusive.
The sheriff used the judges phone before the murder and realized his family answered the phone when they thought the judge was calling but wouldn't answer the sheriffs call so he went back in shooting
Judge facilitating the sheriff’s wife and daughter’s ‘escape’ from abusive situation (to a battered women’s shelter? )… sheriff’s decided to construe this as attempting to ‘kidnap’ his wife and child
But then why are they in court sitting behind him?
I never thought of this
@@TheSingingGardener They might have felt awkward or uncertain about sitting by the family of the judge since he was allegedly murdered trying to help them? Or sometimes you still care about a horrible abuser, even if you are trying to escape. Maybe both.
They have to sit somewhere. I doubt the judges' side would have been very welcoming of them.
Then why are they sitting in on his side of the court room?
Wife left a month prior to shooting, neighbors said he was acting strange the last few months.
Do you think the Sheriff got on drugs?
Maybe the wife was having an affair with the judge. In my heart of hearts, I just don’t believe the sheriff abused his wife or daughter. I just think the judge has creepy all over him, I am sorry to family, but just being honest.
That is rubbish
Is this fact? Source?
@@Thewitchesflame not true if wife and daughter are afraid of him why would they be sitting in court behind him supporting him and why would a family member have a GoFundMe up for the family?
Interesting that people are assuming that the sheriff's actions were justified. Or that the victim (judge) MUST have done something to drive the sheriff to murder him.
It's very possible that the judge did nothing wrong and this sheriff did this over jealously.
true
Yeah…so, a judge isn’t supposed to secretly take your family away. There’s a process and he didn’t follow it.
@@LigmaBallz91if rumors are true (rumors are partly true and not) if the EX-sheriff was abusive,then no you aren't just going to walk out the door and things done in secret happen for situations like that all the time.
@@stephenbarabas6286 I didn’t say family members can’t secretly leave the husband. However, if the judge implemented himself into the situation, he, as a judge, jeopardized ANY LEGAL ACTION taken from there on. And what I mean by that is that he could not legally preside over their case. He would have had to recuse himself. He did not follow protocol.
There’s more to the story that’s not being told. Wifey and judge were up to something deeper than her leaving her husband. The secrecy is the key when there are other legal avenues any sane judge would have told her to pursue, like file for divorce, get a restraining order or protection order, get enough essentials and stay at an undisclosed location. The fact that the rumor is that the judge was helping her leave in secrecy should be the key to all of this. They were already in too deep somewhere else and somehow got the daughter involved (probably manipulation, married women are masters at it and married women cheat WAY more than you’d realize). Problem is, sheriff may have a hard time proving anything beyond reasonable doubt since our current culture is “all cops bad” and “believe all women.”
@LigmaBallz91 The process is a protective order. The judge signing it IS the process. Then the alleged victims leave, and defendant has no contact until the hearing. If the victims are truly afraid for their lives they DO leave in secret BEFORE the defendant is served.
I see a man comfortable with his decision.
I see an idiot about to go to prison
💯
@@phiakate if someone was messing with my kid, I’d be comfortable too
As any parent would if they find out that someone was molesting or harming their child in anyway! If those rumors are true that the judge was having inappropriate contact with an underage girl that father did exactly what any good father would have done
@@lisastringfellow8524. IF the rumors are true. I’m from a small town not too far away from here and any little thing that happens is like a game of telephone. The story changes and gets bigger overtime with each retelling. Lord knows what actually happened. The gossip mills run overtime in these little towns.
Maybe the judge was going to grant a Restraining Order to the sheriff’s wife and daughter. Maybe the sheriff was so butthurt that he was losing his control that he decided to take his anger out on the judge. 🤷🏻♀️
Very possible we will know soon trial starts this month.
@@davidwilliams4498 There is no way the trial will even start this year!
But why only have minors phone number, not adult wife? If he's helping her, children shouldn't be involved.
The sheriff used the judges phone before shooting him, the rumor is he called his family and realized they wouldn't answer his calls but they picked up when he called from the judges phone. So he went back in and shot
As far as I know, nobody can talk directly to the Judge about their cases specifically if you know them personally. And if the Judge know them personally, they need to excuse themselves from the case and have another Judge handle it.
I don't think that investigator is being completely transparent. He knows alot more,they are having to pull every bit of information from him.
Thats why the state of KY should not be investigating this. IT should be the FBI.
This is a preliminary hearing, they only need to disclose enough information to convince the judge that the charges are warranted.
Agreed he seem to be backpedaling.
I don’t trust any of them except for that sheriff.
@@shellycaldwell617 Ah yes let the most corrupt entity investigate.
He called his daughter or his wife on the Judges phone, who most likely tried to hide from the Sheriff, once dudes daughter or wife answered and didnt realize it was her father/husband on the other line...
That rumour is rubbish
The chief doesn't look like he has regret
Would you have regret if you found out someone was molesting your child? Which is bring alleged in Whitesburg according to my relatives who live near there!
@@DonnaLynn73 absolutely not.
@DonnaLynn73 is this factual ? I haven't been following this trial too much
@@DonnaLynn73 Put up th evidence you have of that or quit spreading false information.
@@namastea It’s alleged by others in the community.
It appears that the Sheriff couldn’t accept rejection from his wife and the Judge was trying to help his wife and daughter leave him. If this is true that is the cause for the murder but it’s never a reason to commit such a horrible crime. I think the Judge told the wife of the Sheriff in a text message that he would send Deputys to help her and the daughter leave and that is where the kidnapping part comes in to play. It appears that the Sheriff was never going to let his wife and daughter leave him and they were probably the next target.
I think if this is true they wouldn’t be sitting behind him in court
That really doesn't make sense. If he didn't want his family broken up, he wouldn't resign himself to life in prison.
The alleged grooming and abuse of the daughter makes more sense. He may have had it under another name
@@ProudCanadian-vv6bk the abuse story sounds like BS. The sheriff is dirty. We already know he covered for his deputy who was raping women at the courthouse at night and is named in a lawsuit. And now he shoots a judge. He's the criminal.
I heard the same thing
@@gidgetrose9251we dont know that they were
The idea the judge was doing something with the daughter doesn't work. The sheriff would have outright said that and it would have been the headline. The idea that the sheriff's wife and kid might have been abused and where trying to leave him actually fits more since the sheriff is staying awfully quiet. The second scenario of anger issues and such also fits unloading a gun on a friend without a sign of remorse.
It was the X Sheriff that was abusive to his wife and daughter
and *were trying to leave.
The sheriff is staying quiet because he works in the system. At no point ever under any conditions even if you're completely innocent should you speak to the police if you're the subject of an investigation. You only speak through a lawyer
ANYTHING You say can and WILL be used AGAINST you
@@LigmaBallz91ofc. But what makes the most sense is what op stated. There's not enough available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion right now but I'm with op until something shows otherwise
@@LigmaBallz91btw. You might wanna fix your double negative because you're actually saying he's guilty
The most dangerous time is when a victim is leaving.
I saw a video of a German woman and used a hole puncher on a dude, in the courtroom ,that assaulted her little girl. She didn’t leave his punishment to an ambivalent judge. She took care of business and sacrificed her own life for justice.
But her child is left to deal with the trauma without her mother then though which is worse
@@Cathycupcake68 I forget. It could be he murdered her. But, as I remember, I think they let mother out after some time. I’m not saying it’s best case scenario but, I got a lot of respect for that mom. It illustrates the love she had for her daughter, but, that’s just me. I was willing to lay down my life for a bunch of strangers as a soldier and a cop. The Lord says revenge is His, I will repay. I believe that, and I trust the Lord’s ability to punish better than I could. I wonder where the little girls dad was. Where was the mom that the demon was able to put hands on her.
@@Cathycupcake68 if this is the story i think it is, he also killed the girl, she was only 8 years old.
"Anna's Mutter"
That was Marianne Bachmeier, who shot the murderer of her daughter Anna in the courtroom in 1981.
The sheriff didn’t seem very remorseful it’s as if he feels justified by his actions. Mind blowing 🤯 how an officer of the law could loose his control and kill a judge in his own chambers. It’s as if the sheriff’s last ditch attempt for control boy what a disgraceful pathetic man and still blaming the victim
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@@OttoByOgraffeyYou're just here to annoy.
@@tonilharmon , my life mission is to teach the world how to spell lose. Thanks for bringing attention to this devastating problem.
@OttoByOgraffey Calling bs on that. You just want to annoy people. I would hope my life mission would be a little more important than designating myself as the grammar police.🙄
This makes sense since the investigator mentioned that the sheriff said, “they’re trying to kidnap my wife and daughter”. It appears he wasn’t exactly thinking straight about the situation, paranoia. Etc.
Nobody is asking why the daughter didn't answer the phone call from her dad, but she did from the judge? Maybe the sheriff was abusive 🤔 towards his family, and they wanted nothing to do with him. I know everyone is trying to say that the judge was having some type of relationship with the sheriff's daughter. I also heard that the wife wanted a divorce from the Sheriff.
Did you even watch this video? Clearly stated that the investigator said no one answered from either phone.
@@dfernando2001 The sheriff is NOT an abusive man and I know his wife and daughter well
@@agds91078Sure you do.
@@agds91078 welp, behind closed doors, a lot of people are not who you think they are. fact is, wife and daughter were getting away from this dad/husband.
Him saying "They're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter" was a spur of the moment hail Mary trying to justify what he just did to his fellow officers. Like when someone claims self defense when they obviously just killed the person in cold blood
The locals don’t call that part of the country “Appalachia.”
Or mispronounce it.
The only people who call it that are the people who have never set foot there.
I hear it on the radio station
Agreed. I live in eastern Ky and we dont call it Appalachia, its just home. Also, first time hearing Vinnie, is he always this over dramatic? Very weird beginning!
Right..sounds like yankees..😂😂
Reporters aren't supposed to be drama queens........just the facts, ma'am.
You sound like a drama queen.
@@nomdeguerre247 I do? Hmmm....maybe I switch careers and become a reporter?
@@nomdeguerre247 You sound like a drama princess
What do you expect from someone with a Ukraine flag in their thumbnail?
@@ethancampbell1529 Russian Bots and DJT make me nauseous.
This detective seems he doesn't want to be there.
Would you? He's probably worked with both of the people involved.
lazy detective
He doesn't. He keeps calling the sheriff by his first name; they know each other. Even if they're not best buds, it has to be uncomfortable for the detective to be investigating someone he has worked with.
Several people from Letcher County have said that the sheriff's wife was seeking a divorce and the Judge was trying to help her. Supposedly, the sheriff has a past of domestic violence and control issues and he was upset that the judge was trying to help his wife procure a divorce.
Maybe judge was helping them escape a DV situation.
Good catch! I had never considered DV, but that comment about kidnapping makes sense now.
That's what I've seen, apparently the sheriff borrowed the judges phone and when he realize his own family would answer the phone for the judge but not for him, he lost it
I’ve read the judge was having a relationship with the sheriff’s under age daughter.
@@bbe3034 not true.
@@bbe3034. Hard to imagine 🙄
Since everyone is speculating, has the possibility been considered that maybe Judge had video implicating the sheriff in the ongoing proceedings of sexual misconduct in the chambers?
Could be because these other idiots speculations make zero sense with the wife and daughter right there in court supporting the sheriff! 🤦♀️ amazes me how dumb people are!
@@Juke582 ah yes, bc victims never stay w their abusers, right?
@@Juke582 You assuming the wife and daughter were there in court for support of the X Sheriff
The main rumor I've seen is the sheriff was abusive to his family and the judge was helping his wife divorce him. The sheriff used the judges phone and called his own family so when they answered for the judge but not for his calls, he lost it and shot the judge. That's why he borrowed his phone before the shooting but who knows the truth unless someone comes out with the facts
@@LewisBrazelzThe main rumor I've heard is that the judge was diddling the sheriff's daughter
Is it possible that this guy is having like a paranoid break where he's thinking people are trying to get his family? Because it's awful impulsive, adding his statement after the shots fired, he states that his family was being abducted. It's weird
Pasternaks talk.
There is nothing paranoid about his actions before or after
Stop with the mebtal illness bullshit. Sounds like his wife and daughter ledt the Sgeriffs Abusive
No matter what the judge did, it didnt justify murder. That is what our justice system is for ⚖️
Unfortunately we do not have a justice system any longer. It’s broke, applies to some and not others, allows dangerous criminals that should have lengthy sentences to walk free, etc.
You’re absolutely right, but depending on the new details of the case, we could be seeing temporary insanity come into play.
@jakobellis8244 yep I think he'll claim crime of passion (wife and daughter) and he snapped. But he should still go to prison. After all, he is the definition of justice and the way it's handled. It's all so crazy.
@@jakobellis8244 Not gonna be able to prove insanity
The justice system that doesn't work? okay.
No matter what the why turns out to be. He's guilty as hell.
You definitely don't want jury duty, do ya?
He is literally on film shooting the judge.
Did ya read the Kentucky statute on the definitions of guilt that Vinnie put up on the screen?
@@marcbahn5487
Did you see the whole video? Very disturbing
A "crazy mad" parent still has no right to take another's life. He made himself judge, jury and executioner. I think we need to hear some actual facts instead of conjecture.
The key word" crazy mad" . Couldn't think straight. A mad dog bite its owner too.
If the judge was sleeping with his underage daughter he had every right to do it
@KevinAskin The sheriff's wife and daughter had left him the month before. The sheriff's family has said there was no sa. It's more likely the judge was helping them obtain an order of protection from him. They refused to answer the phone from the sheriff but answered for the judge. The statement about kidnapping his family appears to bear this scenario out as being more likely.
@@KevinAskinThat's false. They stated the Sheriff wife was leaving him for abuse. The judge wasn't sleeping with the daughter.
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 who is ‘they’?
This is an Appalachian town, with a population of 1,170. Anyone who
lives in a larger town, can’t begin to understand the social dynamics of
a town under 2000. I went from living in L.A. to a tiny town of 7000
in the middle of nowhere. I have to drive over an hour to get to a UPS
store, or a “chain” restaurant, or auto repair shop. We have a Walmart
that sells groceries. It’s a different life, and I can guarantee you those
Townspeople know what’s been going on, whether they chose to talk
about it or not it.
I thought all Walmarts sold groceries? lol I understand your point though as I grew up in a small town.
Yep, that's been almost my entire life. Raised in a town of 1,000, I now live in a town of 400. There are no secrets.
@@DL-cs6fz THIS!!!💯
I also live in a small town of about 2500 in the midwest. I back your guarentee that
everyone knows something.
The sheriff made 6 figures in a town that small? Crazy good union.
why did you only show the 10-second clip of that video that camera is rolling 24/7 you should have shown 5 minutes prior
I agree, but I dont think it's been released. THAT is what we need to see. The interaction BEFORE the shooting.
Hasn’t been released.
The prosecuter only played those few secs in the courtroom, so we don't have the rest of the video.
It is only a hearing to keep x sheriff in jail. what they showed is proper. This was not a trial.
Why do they need to show the whole video at this point? It's a preliminary hearing.
The sheriff made himself judge, jury, and executioner.
I see it is as capital punishment
No he didn't he was elected.
U forgot prosecutor
@@t.h.8475 no he didn't he was elected.
@@tommymyers3183 Not elected to murder people.
This has been devastating for our little community, being a neighbor and friend to the stines family my brain is fried from all of this because I just can’t wrap my brain around it all. I hate it so bad for both families and for those of us who knew these men personally as friends, neighbors and even family.
Do you think the judge was a little weird? since you knew both of them right?
Why won’t anyone tell us what happened? I believe the sheriff snapped for some reason.
@@agds91078 I’m so sorry for the struggle yall are going through. I cannot even imagine how yall are coping. We don’t stop to think about friends and neighbors and kin.
Wow, Someone knows what really happened. I am sorry for your loss and pain.
I’m sorry for your loss and also the loss of your friendship with Stines.
It appears as though the investigator on the stand didn't want to really say much about the case. I'm wondering if something is trying to be covered up about the judge.
I do not think the sheriff believed his wife/daughter were in extreme danger due to being kidnapped...I believe they were going to be spirited away because they WANTED to get away from him. Still could be extreme emotional turmoil because the sheriff was about to lose control of his family. Just a fair guess from someone who has watched domestic violence cases unfold more than once.
Two facts, the Sheriff is very violent and he allows women to be sexually abused, so I agree
Mother and daughter were trying to get away from an abusive and controlling cop. The Judge was helping them, as he often did with other members of the community, and the Sheriff was outraged and jealous, so he killed the judge. He is no hero.
If that’s true why are they sitting behind him supporting him ?
@@NancyHampton-w6j
Exactly! 👍 people are making stupid assumptions that make no sense!
Why the GFM for him if that's the case?
@@NancyHampton-w6j because people often have a hard time accepting and dealing with someone they once cared about, murdering people? why did the step dad carly greg shot, defend her? why do the parents of her mom, the woman she murdered, support her? i would say because they are weak. same thing with these people. they are weak. they have also came out and said publicly that the daughter was not being abused. so the narrative used to support him also doesnt make any sense. and yet, i dont see you questioning that
AHHHHH try again.
The Court didn’t give any warning to the family/spectators before showing the video. It was shocking.
they took a break and the head investigator if u can call him that said there was video evidence. u would think they would say to the family members if they wanted to leave and come back in for the families sake.
Right! I was shocked by that video! Wasn’t expecting to witness an execution!
It's called a preliminary examination.....evidence is shown. Family knew!
They already knew what s on video. They wanted to see
That’s not their job. They knew their dad was shot.
No one here calls it Appa-lay-sha. Apple-at-cha
The most mispronounced regional name ever!
@@pamlove421 Kissimmee, Florida
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Regional name. My entire family tree is from Harlan Co KY & Wise Co VA. Outside of that area of the country I don't remember anyone ever saying Appalachia correctly, ever.
I live in NM. We have lots of native named cities like Kissimmee FL.
Apple at cha is the best way I've seen spelled phonetically. Or if you're true hillbilly you might say apple at che.
@@pamlove421 Local, regional, national, etc., doesn't matter. A name is a name. When most people refer to the 'correct' pronunciation of a place, they mean how the residents pronounce it. Assuming we all know how 'Houston' is pronounced, for example, it's the way the Texas city is pronounced by the residents or the way Sam Houston pronounced it, right? There's a Houston Avenue in Macon, GA and most of the residents pronounce it HOUSE-tun. So the correct pronunciation of Houston is ??? Just having a little fun with ya, ok? Because Kissimmee came immediately to mind while reading your post. For the record, I've never heard my relatives up there in the Carolina foothills say the A word.
Obviously he needed proof of something by looking at those phones and making phone calls gave him proof of whatever he was looking for.
It sounds as if Vinny here is trying to make excuses for murder - no matter what crime the judge may have committed - there is a system...
This could play out in a lot of ways. Rumors and speculation only hurt the innocent. 😢
This community knows what’s been going on. The wife and daughter
left the sheriff weeks ago. There’s a lot of sharing of info from a wife
and daughter, and typically not from the man, who probably doesn’t
consider himself abusive.
Vinnie needs to give it a break. He doesn't realize he's repeating the same thing over and over. We got it Vinnie, move on already.
He is. and does. He's leaving out a lot because he's spinning.
I watched the preliminary as it happened and it was something very hard on my soul to watch a man’s final moments play out on video. I mean I knew it happened but to actually see it happen like that was chilling.
Why did the judge have his daughter’s phone number in his phone?
you know why? I guarantee you she was sending naughty pictures to the judge and that's what the sheriff seen or he called her number and she answered. whatever the case is good friends don't have their kids number in their phone.
That's the million dollar question!! I think we all know why. She is 17 yrs. Old
@@garfield2439 No, we don't KNOW why. We just speculate.
Is that a rhetorical question? Do you already think you know why? Did you learn that the sheriff said something about the judge trying to kidnap his wife and daughter? Could it be possible that the judge was trying to help them get away from a domestic violence situation? The general public doesn’t know the details yet!
@@barbiekat6352 that may be possible. But.... he is the judge. Why wouldn't he go about it the correct way? Why pretend to be his friend through the day and behind the chiefs back talk to a child behind his back. And if the judge thought he was unstable. Why allow him to walk around the streets with a gun? Just wondering
We don't know what this Sheriff is like behind closed doors of HIS own home? Was his wife n daughter trying to get away from him? Was the judge gonna help them do that? If the judge actually did something unforgivable to the sheriff's daughter, I get that n him taking the law into his own hands..but murdering over a saved phone number.. there's more to this n hopefully we'll find out the truth soon. But like I said b4 who will protect his daughter now, now that he'll be in prison for the rest of his life 🤷♂️
The sheriff's family has said there was no sa.
The fact that the Cop is trying to get away with it, proves his guilt. Video does not lie, Video is an objective witness. Using the mental card is a pathetic excuse.
@@morph8326 WTF are you talking about? So, using your logic, criminal defendants aren’t entitled to a trial and or defense because if they plead not guilty it means they’re guilty?
What?
He’s not trying to get away with anything
He immediately surrendered
And mental state does make a difference to anyone’s actions
Obviously
I’m not saying he’s innocent. I’m just saying what you said was so naive. It’s not even funny.
Plus Nicky didn’t enter his plea
He wasn’t able to because of representation
The judge entered it on his behalf
Go back and watch the arraignment
Thanks Vinnie for covering this. You are one of only two people from Court tv I trust
You guys making the judge the bad guy
Before all the evidence comes out BS
Totally. From what we're being told, the sheriff seems scary AF. But for some reason everyone online is making the judge out to be a pedo. Crazy world we live in.
The judge having the daughters phone number is what it’s setting it all off. It is a little creepy questionable. And no one is coming for it and saying there’s any sign of abuse from this sheriff for this family.
@@kimperry8445If the judge was helping them get away from an abusive situation, he would have their numbers. I suspect the judge told the sheriff at lunch that he either had, or was going to, sign an order of protection against him.
@@tonilharmon not me. Wife and daughter are in court sitting behind him. I don’t think they would be there if they didn’t support him. Plus the sister-in-law is doing a go fund me for the family and in that picture there’s a picture of him and his wife. Besides, he would have the wifes number not daughter.
@kimperry8445 The seating arrangement thing means absolutely nothing. I love how some people will just immediately gravitate to the sleaziest scenario out there without knowing a thing about it. Occams razor. We will find out during trial. Until then you are smearing a man who is unable to defend himself. Disrespecting the dead with absolutely no proof is particularly vile.
Am sure the judge isn't a saint , had something on or about the sheriff's daughter on his phone and was using it as a threat against the Sheriff
I think he had a relationship with the daughter. I don't think he was blackmailing them
Sheriff was abusive to wife and daughter and the judge was helping them somehow with escaping. Thats why the sheriff keeps saying they were going to kidnap his family and that was his reason for killing the judge. Facts keep coming in but that's the picture.
@kuatojones6950 This is all speculation I doubt his family would show up in court for him if he was being abusive. Who knows what really happened except the Sheriff and his family
wife prob felt threatened, thinking only a judge might be able to handle a rogue cop
sheriff.. laughable the power we give sheriffs, most are avg at best in anything they do
And the wife was right to be scared of her husband, knowing this is how he handles his emotions. That could have been her and the daughter.
they never say the number was IN the phone, only that he called from his phone and no answer and that he then called from the judges phone and she answered. Now it could have been in there or she simply could have answered because it was an unknown call. Unlike adults, children answer every call.
Every call but her dads? She knew who it was.
According to local news here in Kentucky her number was saved in the judges phone.
@@LigmaBallz91Why did she refuse her dad's call? They had left the sheriff weeks before. There's a reason for that. I suspect the judge told him at lunch he was, or had, signed an order of protection against him. The sheriff's family has said there was no sx aspect to this.
Thank you the number being in the phone versus on the phone is different. If the sheriff just called her on the judges phone then the number would be on the phone. Not stored in the phone
@@woowaptibam5253 it was already in the phone. KSP admitted that on the stand. They’re not worried about the number. Their concern is communication apps on both their phones that the cell phone service provider wouldn’t be able to give them the data on.
That detective wasn’t very helpful to be the one handling the case.
They need to get somebody outside the county to oversee this investigation. Everybody in the community is way too tight.
i thought that the head investigator knows his pulse was pulsating all red face he so didnt want to be in that seat answering questions i know early days into investigation but he wasnt prepared eirther that or a crappy investigator.should have took daughters phone for sure
This case is just another extremely strong argument for why audio & visual photography filming should be allowed in court rooms and all government funded buildings through federal dollars.
Ok, it’s just a hearing but, if you are Lead investigator,…have your ducks in a row before Court ‼️🫡
It’s a domestic thing. Y’all aren’t telling us anything new. Good commenters though. I bet judge was helping mother and daughter. Daughter wouldn’t answer dad’s call.
Im not passing judgment. We just dont know. The judge could have been totally innocent!
That's very true. We don't have any details at all about why this officer did it other than just rumors and speculations and those 2 things aren't facts. We won't know til the data from the phone is revealed and that and that alone will give us the answers we want.
true, but what else can we do but speculate at this point. So far I see two possibilities 1) the judge was diddling the daughter 2) the judge was helping the sheriff's wife leave him. Either one could make a man upset.
@@clayton56tube that's true as well but for the 1st speculation, evidence needs to back it up and the number alone isn't significant enough otherwise people will make assumptions that any number of a minor, regardless of the minor's relationship( family, friend) will make them a pedo. That's why we need to be very careful making serious claims or speculations on something like that without evidence.
Sheriff was abusive, his family left dv situation, judge was helping them. You're welcome!
Huh. A police that refuses to wait for justice & takes it into his own hands. Its almost like I've heard this story before....
Sheriff is off his rocker.
No one, for no reason, gets to be judge, jury, and executioner. No excuses.
Unless you are crazy mad.
Why state the obvious.
The detective was asked what he knows, not what he may have heard…big difference!!!
When he sees reports from forensic analysis, he will be able to testify what he knows.
A man’s got to know his limitations ~ Harry Callahan.
"Do I feel lucky? " Well, do ya punk?"
I hear you.
Are you going to pull those pistols or whistle Dixie? Josey Wales
Everyone is on the internet trying to guess what happened, but the Sheriff knows exactly what happened. Since the cops are so honest and upstanding, why doesn't the sheriff clear the whole thing up?
This is MURDER, in my opinion he already knew what he was going to find on the Judges phone. He planned this out knowing even saying it's 2nd degree. 😢
Where's the Sheriff's WIFE ❓ Why isn't She Saying Anything ❓
Why should she ❓️
Sitting right behind him in the courtroom
You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can be use against you
@@nomdeguerre247 Why Not 🤔
I heard the judge s very fair judge. Maybe he s trying to help Sheriff family. Maybe sheriff wife feel guilty causing judge s dead. She s in a hard spot doesn't know what to say. She doesn't want to make it worse for husband but doesn't want to admit she cause judge dead.
I’m impressed with your channel and I am from the British Islands so keep it coming please 🇬🇧🙏🇺🇸
The daughter’s number was on the phone BECAUSE the sheriff used Kevin’s phone to call her. We don’t know of the number was stored in Kevin’s phone… nor do we know if KEVIN ever called that number… or anyone other than the SHERIFF used the phone to call the daughter. STOP SPECULATING! Whatever any relationship was - if ANY- the penalty is NOT DEATH. Further PREMEDITATION wan be 1 second… any 1st yr law student knows this.., if he thought about it, it’s premeditated… and stopping at the door to deliver a fatal shot is DEFINITELY premeditation. The sheriff was experiencing family problems. I heard Kevin was helping the wife and daughter leave. IDK… why not wait and not SPECULATE? What I DO KNOW… KEVIN WAS M
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Vinnie’s ponderous, over-dramatic, repetitive speech gets on my nerves.
That video! Shocking and horrific!
@@lanalou77 Do you have any idea how old the Daughter is ❓
I cant see video very well
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@@annmoore8696 I think 15
They need a new lead investigator that actually has a desire to investigate. Smh
If it's true that the wife and daughter were trying to get away from him, it wouldn't be that surprising that he calls it "kidnapping."
Btw, i actually can't find anything about that particular motive. Can someone site an article?
If he was protecting his daughter from what he deems as a threat, how was he going to protect her now? When he's behind bars.
the threat has been taken care of
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@@clayton56tubeHE was the one they needed protecting from!
Looks like the judge was possibly in talks for a protection order cos his wife and daughter left him the month before and Stines family has also CLEARLY stated there was NO inappropriate sexual harrassment.
The threat has gone
A hot head doesn't think that far ahead.....he lives in the here and now....
It absolutely sounds too me the judge was helping a family leave an abusive, violent, controlling man (the sheriff) who was in charge of all law enforcement officers. He was losing control of his wife and daughters, and shot the innocent judge. Why are you assuming the judge did something wrong? Small town and they could only turn to the judge. I had to DISlike this video due to your poor assumptions against the victim.
Sex Sells always has, always will.
If the wife was leaving the sheriff wouldn’t her number be on the judges phone instead of the daughters? Just asking.
Not if it was the daughter who reached out to him. We also don't know that the wife's number wasn't also on his phone.
People are confusing her number being on the phone from the sheriff using the judges phone to call his daughter. That's alot different then the daughters number being saved as a contact.
"Trying to kidnap my wife and kid" might hint at a break from reality.
Or maybe the truth
Maybe the deputy that was involved in the sex in judge’s chambers multiple times and found out judge knew or did more?
Another good one from the Paul Newman of law and sensationalism. Well done Vincenzo!
I also feel the investigator is in favor of the judge , seems he doesn’t have a lot of facts. Doesn’t know much🤔
wow this think tank is ridiculous, her phone number wasnt in the judges phone until Stines called the number because his phone didnt work, they just said that in court. Vinny invented that fact that the daughters number was already in the phone. The sherriff is a defendant in the 2022 trial from the actual 2 victims that were ignored by Stines. Its all avaliable online. The daughter and mother and family denied any abuse online from the judge before today, thats already available online. The case has nothing to do with the judges phone. The mental illness is the stress of losing his job to the 2022 case. The judge refused to drop his case.
No.
"They're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter."
That sounds more like someone who is bitter and/or delusional that their family is getting help from the courts to separate.
*I will just keep pressing the fact that this is yet another example of why police officers should be bound by federal law to have no less than a 2-year degree in criminology, policing and it require specialized psychological training.*
The average reading level of adult Americans is a 7th to 8th grade level and that means the average person of a 90 to 110 IQ. *That is inclusive of the majority of police officers.*
Keep in mind, as of now, the statement about the kidnapping is something that was relayed to the lead investigator by a 3rd party. Take it with a grain of salt… for now.
So here's my take. Sheriff Stine's separated from his wife about 1 month ago, and it's likely this separation includes a retraining order.
Usually the judge involved in the restraining order is named, it is usually public record, but given the close personal relationship between Sheriff Stines and Judge Mullins, and indeed other judges in Letcher County, with no one else available to handle the case, Judge Mullins handles the case and his name is redacted from the restraining order.
Then Sheriff Stines meets Judge Mullins, suspecting he is involved with imposing the restraining order. He also thinks the Judge might be in contact with his family, know their whereabouts and indeed, their new phone numbers. The sheriff wants to call his daughter, as he thinks his daughter will talk to him. He asks the judge for his phone, as sees his daughter's NEW number in the judge's phone (his daughter is messaging the judge, to update him if her crazy father persists with harassing / stalking them).
Sheriff Stines, suffering from paranoia, blames Judge Mullins for "kidnapping his wife and daughter". He shoots the "kidnapper". No Sheriff Stines, your family was not kidnapped by Judge Mullins, they left you because you're nuts.
Can you please tell me where you got this information from?
I can barely get any information on this case.
I believe that your theory sounds more believable than other speculations that I've heard.
@@mindyourbizok I listened carefully to this video, collected the facts, discarded speculation. I additionally have some experience supporting people who struggle with mental ill health, so I think I understand the reason for the Sheriff accusation, where he accused the Judge of kidnapping his family. This statement, I think, is critical in understanding what is going on here.
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Sheriff is law enforcement. Even if the judge was breaking the law, why not arrest him?
Maybe the judge too powerful in that town
I love this when you don’t know all the facts
Really hard to understand why so many people on this thread think that killing someone in cold blood is acceptable. The guy who killed the judge was The Sheriff. He more then anyone should have known killing someone in cold blood, no matter the reason, is absolutely wrong. Also, the Sheriff is no longer able to protect his Family because his stupid butt is sitting in jail. I'm sure the Judge wasn't his only person the Sheriff thought was his enemy. It wasn't done in the the Heat Of Passion. That's some real BS right there. He had already made up his mind he was going to shoot the Judge when he went into the Judges Chambers. That Sheriff is a Coward!