I lost my mom to cancer when I was 22 and it was horrible, but at least I had time to say goodbye. I can't imagine losing someone so suddenly like this.
the blood and gore part of seeing that is the worst, that picture will remain in her head for the rest of her life, and occasionally when she sits alone in silence, she will have flashbacks picturing that same image of her father, really sad for that poor girl and i wish her whole family condolences, i saw something similar 24 years ago, but it wasn't from any family of mine, bless the poor girl and the mother
Seeing that the truck's front driver side tire and fender completely demolished the cars driver side....I don't even want to know how the body looked.... that truck type weighs roughly 4,000-5,000 lbs..just an awful accident that never should have happened.
Everything is a choice, some choices are better than others. Bad choices are generally referred to as mistakes. When somebody drives under the influence the consequences aren’t right in front of them. There’s a great chance that nothing will happen at all. Getting in a car and playing with the radio or eating food or reaching for your phone or a drink is just as dangerous as getting in a vehicle while under the influence and focusing on the road.
It's not to be taken literally. The officer is just killing time while the investigation continues. Do you think they were really eager to talk to this murderer about the Browns? Some of you people just don't get anything.
a guy got 20 years for breaking in and touching people's feet while they slept but this guy gets only 10 years for killing a person? Justice system gonna justice system lol
Yeah, I saw that too - honestly, if I had a choice between having my dad and dog murdered or having my feet touched by a stranger... I think I'd chose the feet...
The guy tried to play off what he did by acting like he didn’t know what happened and thanking the police over and over again. Then we learn he has a history of reckless driving and endangering the public. He’s a monster and deserves more than 10 years. The dad is a hero. RIP to man and man’s best friend.
He was so drunk I don't think he is aware and may not remember anything that happened the next day. Although, I believe anyone in a crash as horrible as this (even the perpetrator) should immediately be checked out at the hospital. He may have a serious head injury or internal bleeding. The officers could then be held responsible. They could have taken his BAL while there. This is so sad this father was killed by someone so stupid and irresponsible. Why do people continue to get in a vehicle when they are impaired? I haven't finished the video, so I don't know what happens.
Ten years for taking a life is nothing. It's an insult to the man that died and his surviving family and friends. I will never understand the plea deal system in the US. It's so disgusting
The plea deal system is overused now, but it was a good tactic to get people to give up information in certain cases, but in America our prosecutors have become like the Japanese where they want the conviction no matter what.
Thankfully this man can never drive legally ever again in his life and will continuously be put back unless he follows the rules and becomes a dependant bum
@@jrelyea828nah, they are right. I used to think like you too and then I went to jail. Race definitely matters, sadly. I've seen two people with identical criminal records and the same charges. The only difference being race, and the black person gets the book thrown at them while the white person gets a slap on the wrist.
@jrelyea828 if two people commit the same crime, one is white the other is of color, 90% chance the person of color will get more time. White sex offenders get off with a year or 2, while colored sex offenders do 15+ years (they should be locked for life)
Yeah. It was almost palpable, just watching how unsteady he was. He almost fell over MULTIPLE times while being instructed on how to do the test before he even started.
@@scotthewitt258 You could see how glassy his eyes were as soon as they were first visible, know what I mean. I am no expert in the field but you do not have to be to see just how cooked this dude was.
@@lbdjthethird1240 Yeah. He was clearly impaired. I've noticed others that were very toasted who also tried to lay the blame on the innocent person they hit. They seem to never get THAT toasted that they can't CYA.
@@scotthewitt258 Actually that's a really good point. Now that you mention it, it blows my mind how people have enough survival instinct to try to avoid getting busted for driving drunk but NOT have enough to not drive drunk in the first place.
He was at fault drunk driving, answering a cell phone, and took someone's life ? I'm not understanding why they let him go home the same night . Are they saying they're gonna wait on blood work when her dad died on the scene? That's crazy.
Standard procedure with a DUI. If you act civil throughout the process, they send you home once you fill out paperwork and give samples. They can't hold you on something like manslaughter without evidence and he hadn't broken any other laws outside of driving drunk. The accident is still just an accident, until they can prove with legit evidence that you were driving while heavily intoxicated. They also need process the scene and get the death legitimized via the coroner, before they can say you killed someone. If they don't do everything by the book, hence the time taken to do the field sobriety tests, the guy can walk and not be held responsible. This was handled perfectly, and dude ultimately paid a heavy price for his poor decision making that nigh.
Shit does not make any sense of swear I got a seat belt ticket and forgot to pay the 175 dollar ticket and they suspended me and happened multiple times got a felony after driving 3 tines without a license or being suspended and they tried to give me 5 years for it but this dpuchebag gets this shit for what he did yeah put legal system is a joke
What about innocent until proven guilty? What if he was having some sort of issue due to head trauma or low blood sugar and hadn’t had a sip of alcohol and the symptoms were mimicking impairment, wouldn’t it be right to prove he was impaired before being guilty of it? Wouldn’t want you on my jury of peers.
I think I heard the courts look at it as a mistake and they don’t wanna ruin two lives and pretty much two family’s even tho the one already is. Sometimes the courts make no sense.
I would NOT be so nice to him if I were that officer. I wouldn't give him any favors at all. I'd be very blunt and remind him about what he has just done to let it really sink in. "You killed that man and that's his 22-year-old daughter who witnessed it and she'll never get the memory of his mangled body out of her head now, you did this"
I can see a ptest taking a while so back it with a quicker breath test to at least book him for court. Some states do a summons but with a death it’s way strange.
@@DavidWiseman-uh1ec exactly! Why the hell wasn't he booked to see a judge in the morning? It's all very fk'd up. Im in Canada and no way this would have jived! He shouldn't even had bail/bond!!!
it was a choice but he was probably in a blackout and clearly oblivious to the fact he just killed someone and almost another. It doesn’t matter cause he easily could’ve made the decision to take a uber or get a ride before he got plastered
@@MitchThompson-h8y ummm, are you high? That one could cause an accident while driving drunk is very foreseeable! So foreseeable in fact its illegal to drive drunk!
My husband passed 9.22.23 he had a heart attack while driving his dump truck. He was only 46. I remember getting to the hospital & the doctor walking in to tell me he didn’t make it. I’ve never felt a pain or let a scream out like that. Now I’m 32 and widowed. We were together 11 years. The absolute love of my life. Seeing his body was traumatic the cuts on his head and face. I had the priest re new our vowels and read his last rights. I love you Chris 7/7/77-9/22/23 My life changed in an instant. Everything we worked for gone. Staring over while grieving is so hard. My heart goes out to the family of this man. He was a beautiful soul. God bless and help us all 🙏🏻
That's so very sad! I'm so very sorry for your loss! That's truly heartbreaking to hear. I do know that pain. My dad passed away from a heart attack at age 52. And I still can remember that terrible pain of walking into the empty funeral home to see him lying in that casket! You never forget that. Huge hugs and internal peace to you always ❤
Im so very sorry, Gemini. I know you don't know me, im just a random person on SM, but Im here for you in spirit. I am sending you love and light. Sometimes words just cant cover it.
Oh my god, my heart breaks for you. I'm so sorry for your overwhelming loss. I know there aren't any words that can ease the pain. Gentle hugs and tons of love. Rest in peace to your beloved Chris ♥
my dad died in 2012 from a car crash while he was driving home from work on his motorcycle. the lady who hit him was driving a pickup truck without a license. she only did three months while i had to grow up without a father. terrible terrible world we live in.
I am so sorry. I was slammed into at a stop light at 10am. He was a physician with a history of opioid abuse . I ended up with a broken neck and multiple surgeries. On deposition and in court, he stated that "he didn't recall" what happened. Unfortunately, my family and I recall all too well. I am reminded of it every damn day.
Thats heartbreaking. I cant imagine trying to cope with losing your Dad like that and the b*tch that did it only serves 3 months. I lost my Dad at 12 but at least it wasnt due to someone else's stupidity. I hope youre doing well at this point in life
An accident is an accident.... they happen. A person should NOT be punished for an honest accident. If a person is intoxicated, and the cause of the accident is from that, THEN it is a different story altogether.
@@davelowets i get where you’re coming from but when an accident is completely avoidable it is no longer an accident. she chose to get behind the wheel and drive while her license was revoked for previous traffic violations. i don’t care what logic you try to use to defend your argument, she WAS in the wrong, she KNEW she was in the wrong, and there’s no denying that the whole thing could have been avoided had she have been following the law and not be driving in the first place. but way to go to side with her, i highly doubt you’d feel the same way if someone close to you suffered the same fate.
The fact that the mom was trying to keep it together for her daughter, barely able to fight back tears… I just know her husband was a very lucky man, blessed with a beautiful family who will never forget him. May he be resting in peace. 🕊️ Edit: Before y’all keep replying, yes, I know the mother was in shock as well
It's called shock. She wasn't keeping anything together. Her daughter was already saying everything she wanted to, so she just remained silent. I'm happy that you've never experienced seeing someone in this state in person.
This is so sad and senseless! Drunk drivers get no sympathy. 10 years for taking a life while driving drunk is an insult to the man who died and his family.
@@Polyothixit's also a good example of the different reactions to severely traumatic events. Some people break down into tears and cries, some people just go quiet and still like they're comatose.
The dad turning to the right to protect his family and take all the damage to himself is such a dad thing to do. God bless your soul sir and rest in peace.
Did he have any other choice though? When the vehicle is getting into your lane from the opposite direction swerving to the right is the obvious move. Irrespective of who else is in the car.
He knew he hit another driver… he knew he was driving drunk… he didn’t know the status of the other driver because he didn’t care about anything but his own world that entire night….
Because they flop around like ragdolls and the other people see it coming and tense up, overcorrect, etc. It's something I would NEVER want to have to live with. That's why IF I have one cocktail, I'll Uber and get my car the next day. If I'm planning on drinking, I'll just Uber there so no temptations or alcohol driving the car instead of me.
Yep it's not fair. They are more likely to survive as they have slower reaction times and don't brace for impact, this means they are more likely to suffer less broken bones ect and the alcohol then acts as a buffer that inhibits certain chemicals that are released when a person suffers a major injury. The same phenomenon can be seen from sleeping passengers and unconscious patients in ambulance crashes.
@@smackdashitoutchu7755not a myth. A good friend of mine was hit head on and killed by an extremely drunk driver, and the on scene investigator said that the only reason the drunk survived was his level of intoxication.
Let me get the straight. He chose to drink and drive knowing that he has a history with similar charges, proceeds to speed to 90+ mph while being in the oncoming lane and gets into a horrific accident resulting in the death of a husband and father along with his dog while nearly ending the lives of the other passengers.. And only got 10 years in the end. What a fucking cruel joke that is. My heart goes out to the family of Mr. Pappas and I can only hope for a more severe sentence to be handed down to the amoeba brained waste of life Jacob L. Muiter who knew what he was doing and the risks that went along with it. I hope he never forgets the pain he caused. Rest In Peace John Pappas and his loving companion Cookie- you will be sorely missed.
Dont forget, that after police take him in, knowing full well John Pappas was dead, they let this bastard go home. While Steph was sitting home, recording the video about her fathers death, this ass hole was a free man.
@jrads11 Why would anyone expect someone under the influence of alcohol to be able to make good choices? Why would anyone expect that people will not drive drunk when there are bars everywhere and alcohol for sale legally? Alcohol takes away people's inhibitions causing them to make bad decisions. So making it illegal is the only way to reduce the amount of people drinking.
This clown was treated way too good after what he did to these people. The thought of Dad taking the dog Home with him is a bittersweet heartbreaking thought. There are NO accidents when you drink & drive and someone's hurt or killed... you CHOSE to drink and drive.
No seatbelt. What the hell are you taking about? Who cares? One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn’t belong. He had amphetamines in his system. That would supersede the seatbelt in a list of things done horribly wrong that actually matter.
@@asmitty04 Seatbelts stop your 200+ pound body from flying from your car, into mine. Seatbelts save lives. Not just the person that is supposed to be wearing it.
I think he just meant that there was such an accumulation of things this guy had against him, even all of his previous infraction that the punishment did not fit the crime. @@asmitty04
It's not "an accident". It's not a "mistake". This guy STOLE the most valuable thing a person could steal. Someones life. And stolen not just from the person he MURDERED, he stole that life from his family. And all he received for this was 10+ years? Driving under the influence is a conscious decision any ADULT should be able to say NO to. This is bad at ALL levels.
@californiaslastgasp6847 10 years is plenty for this crime. Premeditated murder gets you 25 years. Manslaughter gets you 10-15. This is Manslaughter. So, 10 years is plenty. You could argue it's on the high end, possibly 5-8 would have been sufficient. But, it appears that there was a decent judge on that day, because they gave him 10 years instead. People forget that emotions have no place in a courtroom. One side demands life, the other leniency. Both sides are biased. The judge is the only rational thinker. He decided 10 years was required. Families want an "eye for an eye". God will enact His own justice on everyone, according to each his/her own deeds. "Vengeance is mine, says the LORD. I will repay."
This video shouldn’t be on the internet. Not the first part of his family crying. That’s not fair for them to have their worst moment on the internet forever.
@@airlar4857 Well to be fair, he probably didn't even grasp the situation. Just look at the guy, he's absolutely wasted. Obviously didn't know he was on the wrong side of the rode, just took it as someone hitting him and was far too shitfaced to think about anything other than himself.
10 years is actually a long sentence for this. It's not long enough, in my opinion, but most drunk drivers who end up killing someone don't get that long.
The law only looks at intent, it will be argued he did not intend to cause someone's death, his actions can then only be considered as negligence. A moot point as the state offered a plea deal to secure the conviction, stats matter to DA's on the political track, not justice.
@@DownButNotOutYet God, that is so true...unless they think they will get something out of it. I have seen people get 10 years for pot ( a few years back) and a manslaughter or out rite murder get 5 years. DAs for the most part are only concerned about their job, rep, or running for a higher office. They seem to care little about justice for the victims family. With all the unhappy people in the world...true happiness is priceless and often gone way to soon. 😢 Sorry for typos, but yeah....I am crying and I am sure * am not the only one.
In Califorina some dude I went to school with ended up killing someone at the age of 21 while driving drunk he even ran from the scene along with his passenger. He Only did 3 years due to having no priors.
I’m so sorry 😢 that is so awful I’m sad this happened to you. It must be so incredibly hard to deal with that 😢 I hope things get better one day ❤️🩹 I wish you the best 🤍
@sethranney within 10 years is crazy. Let's say drunk drivers get caught 1/20 times they drive drunk. Which deffinately isn't the case because habitual drunk drivers can get away with YEARS of poor choices. If you get caught once sure whatever DUI suspension the whole 9. But a second time within your own lifetime and you shouldn't ever hold a set of keys to ever again let alone get behind the wheel of a car
Little did the suspect know, his car getting totaled would be the least of his worries. But a 10 years sentence is absolutely disgraceful to the victim and his family!
That's usually the only thing they are about. We've seen quite a few videos where the drunk kills someone, or multiple people, and only cares about themselves and the inconvenience it causes in their own lives.
His boss called him? He works in a Bar as the manager. Didn’t anyone thought to tell him “hey, you shouldn’t be drinking on the job!” And not to drive when work was over? He killed someone and lied that he wasn’t drinking and that he didn’t caused the accident. At least he had the decency to ask about the victims.
Yeah, drinking on the job should never of been allowed. The issues it creates with Insurance should have been enough to ban it taking place. It's an accident waiting to happen and unfortunately it helped lead to this tragedy.
I watched my Dad die, someone that I spent 44 years with, made amazing memories with. There is a soul-wrenching cry that bellows from the depth of your soul when you realize that their gone. I felt her cry, it was so haunting and i understood completely. I hope her soul finds peace and she can find happiness in her memories with her father in time.
They had a great relationship, her dad was her best friend. I've watched her for years, and I still cry over John's passing, along with Cookie. I dont bring my dog in my car anymore because of this.
It's tough to hear the cries of someone that has lost their loved one. I felt so emotional after hearing her. One thing have never thought about(when it comes to police) is that they are placed in these situations where people have been exposed to horrific trauma and try to distract them as best they can to keep them from seeing their loved ones mangled. Normally I am pretty negative about cops and shooting everyone. The police officers here aren't like the ones I've encountered, but I've never lost someone like this. Trucks like this one are everywhere. When I park my normal car at the grocery store I can't help but think about one of them plowing in to be head on, and how that would most likely be the last thing I see. A big wall of filled with small dicks.
its an investigation, it takes time. they got the sample of his urine and when the test came back they put out a warrant and he was caught the next day. they also are making small talk with him to build rapport (not because hes a "victim"), maybe to get him to open up or to take the test because the suspect will be more vulnerable if he feels like he can trust the officers.
@ZackChimento "book him"? They did. They brought him in to the station, got his info, got samples, and probably gave him a ticket. Did you watch the video?
They had to investigate and do their jobs first. I had a misdemeanor and a felony on the same night but was only arrested for the misdemeanor first and released after I posted bail. I was arrested for the felony almost 3-4 months later. I'm not saying learn it for future crimes you may commit, just so you're not confused as to why this happens.
I don't understand how he was not told (at the police station) that he killed a man. The officers all acted like it was nothing, and seemed to downplay the seriousness of it all. I don't understand their reasoning for it all. To keep telling everyone, it was just a little accident... huh??? What a wakeup call Jacob had later.
Watch her entire video, the one she made 2 days after. I am an adult male with a teenaged son, crimal justice, wounded in action; still I cried for her. My ex-wife & I used to watch Steph's food reviews. She is a delightful, informative creator. This video brought back the emotions of watching that post-crash video. This was very well-made.
@@davefave4458 Sadly it's the correct sentence though for these charges and not much else could be done, since it's manslaughter. The entire system needs harsher pentalies.
I lost my fiance in 1982 to a drink driver, head-on on a sharp curve. I spent 32 years on Fire/EMS picking up the carnage caused by those who chose to drive when intoxicated. It is not a mistake. It is a stupid, heartless, narcissistic choice. And 10 years for slaughtering a father and husband is a travesty, an insult to the victim and his family.
💯. In EMS for 26 years as an EMT and a NREMTP. The devastation caused by those who choose to drink and drive is horrendous. And it is a choice. A selfish one. There is no excuse. I'm sorry about your fiance. 💔
i’ve been watching her channel for a while so when i found out he died i literally cried. he was such a nice soul and his bond with his daughter was so strong.
The saddest part is that a dad in a daughter’s life that much, is such a rare thing at her age and could only help her in her life. Now she doesn’t have that and has to live with what she saw that night. It’s going to drastically change her outcome on her life. So damn sad!
Ive watched her for years and I cant believe this!! My jaw dropped when they said her name. Her dad was literally so sweet. You could just tell he was a great dad. They seemed so happy. 😔
I was widowed at 23 yrs old by a drunk drive. i had married my high school sweetheart and we had so many plans. In a split second he was erased from the planet. Its been many years and I have dealt with this pain and am ok. But....the people who do drink and drive and kill others will never understand the pain, loss and emptiness when you have your world taken from you by the careless actions of a drunk. This guy served time. The drunk driver who killed my husband was also killed in the crash. So think that helps. It doesnt. Its worse because you want to see that person pay...he did...but not the way I needed him to be treated. Please if you know anyone who drinks and drives PLEASE stop them. You will save their life and for sure save the person drinking.
As a former EMT having seen this devastation time and again my heart goes out to you. I will forever carry in my mind the horrific scenes I've been to. Hugs and trust me we feel your pain. ❤
Drunk driving to me is just way too accepted and common. How did society get like this? I feel like the alcohol lobby who keeps these laws for DWI loose has blood on their hands. It should be way more severe a punishment just for DWI by itself. We need to change the view that it's not a big deal
also notice how when family members of his got on the phone w/the cops the cops never let on that this guy is their prime suspect and is potentially in criminal trouble. Because if they did, his family might have convinced him to lawyer up, refuse tests, remain silent, etc... They just said he's ok. When asked other details that the cops obviously knew the answer to because we saw the answer ourselves in the bodycam footage, they'd say they don't know, they just want to let them know he's ok. When asked if they could come to him, they tried to talk them out of it, oh sorry the roads are blocked, we'll call you later (after we're done sweet talking him into helping us to get as much evidence against him as possible). When the suspect himself asked how the other car was, they pretended they had no idea and just gave him 'i don't know'. They knew. But if they told him and he realized how much trouble he potentially was in, depending on all the evidence, then he might make it more difficult for them to get that evidence. Even letting him go can help because he might go do something that gives them even more evidence, like confess to his friends. So they did far more than it appears.
Watching the montage of Steph and her father was very touching. They really lost someone special in the blink of an eye. It can happen to any of us. Tell your loved ones that you love them every day.
@californiaslastgasp6847 Well if you take someone's (outside of self defense) you should forfeit your chance at ever having a free life. So for this a guy to answer your question if 10 years isn't enough what would a good sentence be. The answer is life.
This is a man that didn’t even ask about the people in the other car. He was worried about his truck and this man has priors and only got 10 years. There’s something seriously wrong with our system. This man should’ve received more time.
That man is a selfish human being. He doesn’t even deserve to be called a human being. Literally took a LIFE and all he cares about is his truck. HIS TRUCK. He can replace that truck. A human life CANNOT be replaced. Ugh he makes me so mad.
Not to defend him, but the driver of the red truck did ask if the people in the other car were ok at least twice if not more times. He asked when he was about to go home at the police station and even teared up about it. I agree though that he should've gotten way more time because he took a life from this world! My condolences to the family of the man that got killed because of this "drunk" self-centered kid! This kid should've already served time long before this incident because of his history of driving while intoxicated. Sick and twisted so called judicial system we have that's for sure.
@@EmeraldJade66Good point you made there! I am wondering what sentence you would find more appropiate in this case? His license is also suspended for life which is a good thing.
Ohio, do better. This man gets to walk away in 2033. For KILLING someone. Drunk driving is not an “accident or mistake” … also, dude only cares about his totaled truck… no remorse not once asked about the people he just hit.
It's not just Ohio, it's everywhere, I have yet to see anyone actually get more time than that, look at the uproar when they gave that truck driver 110 years, people made a huge stink about and he ended up getting less than 10.
did we watch the same video? the drunk driver asked multiple times about the other car in the accident and the cops wouldn't tell him anything. and you act like he MURDERED someone, it was MANSLAUGHTER as he didn't mean to kill them drunk or not. which he proved in court and is why he got 10-13.5 years. i'm not agreeing with the drunk driver but you cant charge him with something he didn't do.
These cops are truly professional and above &beyond helpful, patient with everyone involved in this accident. Also the same with the onlookers getting too close.
I know, after my father died I wanted to see him one last time, wish I didn’t. My sister was there with her first child, so my dad never got to see his first grandchild, but when I walked in there was just the coffin and the funeral guy. I had to unscrew the screws from the lid and then pick up the lid to put it to the side, all while my sister watched and was crying. It was heart wrenching to hear her say “look Jason, that is your grand dad…” The worst thing for me wasn’t seeing the shell that used to be my dad but when my sister kissed his forehead and I felt compelled to do the same, only to wipe my mouth as it felt so wrong. Been nearly twenty years but I won’t forget that experience anytime soon
Her mother survived because of John, He saved her mum. Please be respectful towards Steph and his wife, They are still going through this and struggling through this.
The saddest part is if first time offender kills someone while being drunk behind the wheel,they get charged with involuntary manslaughter and almost always get only 3-7 years in jail, some don't even get that long in jail,and are back out doing the same thing. From experience , a drunk driver killed my little sisters husband on his motor cycle ,and she got only 3 years in jail,and 1 year probation. After the 4 years past,she did it again and plowed into a family of 5 ,and only person survived. How many lives have to be taken by idiots who like to drink and drive before it is taken more seriously?
@@VenomRoadRacing I’ve been blackout drunk dozens of times. Not ONCE did I entertain the idea of drunk driving. Do you know why? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE LAW
Oh, his license to drive is permanently revoked, like that's gonna stop him from driving when he gets out. I bet he doesn't do the full 10. The laws need to change because 7 years for vehicular homicide isn't enough. If you drink and drive that is a CHOICE. You know you can kill someone while driving drunk. You do it anyway... That's first degree murder. And my biggest beef with the US criminal justice system is the word "concurrent." It allows criminals to get away with, literally, murder.
No way in my opinion is second degree murder. It wasn't intentional, however it led to a death. Second degree murder is not 10 years. Driving drunk is one of the most heinous things you can do. Because you can help it. There are many options that you can take besides driving drunk. Absolutely disgusting and the drunks always survive and the innocent people die.
Absolutely!! I am tired of sentencing running concurrently to other sentences. All it does is negate consequences. For those that don't get concurrent sentencing, for example, If they get 10 years, plus 7 for whatever, to run concurrently, even if they spend 10 in prison, that seven is "time served." The clock starts for both at the same time. They should never run together, charges should be STACKED!!!! Period, 10 and 7 is 17 years!!
Not to mention continuing drinking at all. If you know you have a problem, you should get help and stop drinking. They choose to keep drinking. I lost two people in my own family due to alcohol. F*ck these people.
There is no premeditation, no cruelty and no intention. I envy your life if you think DUI homicide is remotely comparable to the things some people can inflict on others. I can understand that you get an emotional reaction when seeing the grief of a family that just lost its father contrasted against the indifference of the perpetrator, but this is silliness. It's not first degree murder, not even close - and 10 years is a fine sentence for this crime.
@@Tom-6502 With so many people on the internet today, its likely people have millions of followers, which is for sure worthy of the word star, but yet you've never heard of them. They certainly are celebrities, but just not at the status of the Kardashians.
@@squash2127 Not everyone follows "celebrities." And having millions of followers don't mean much to someone who doesn't use a particular platform. They're just ordinary people at the end of the day. But he seemed like a nice man. Condolences to his wife and daughter.
we had something just like this happen in our small town were the bartender was drinking on the clock then left and killed someone walking and kept driving and cleaned their car to hide it! only got 4 years but the place they worked at shutdown not long after. blows my mind how little time they get!
@@Thumper68 the buisness allowed him to get 3x legal limit while at work...explains the call from his boss...damage control for allowing ANYONE to leave after plying them with booze while at work...the basement is equally responsable for this
@@sebby324 I always thought the nomenclature of homicide was derived from homo sapien, so it implied that it was only for humans. Interesting to know though.
You can prevent drunk drivers by giving them proper sentences for homicide (1st degree) and not the slap on the wrist they always get. R.I.P. John Pappas
The problem comes with proving specific intention. "1st degree homicide" is not a real term, the legal class of that crime is called murder. In order to prove murder you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there was premeditation, deliberation, or intent to kill.
And put all the lawyers who stand up to DEFEND THESE DRUNKEN BASTARDS!! And any sleazy lawyer that stands up to defend these people should be in prison RIGHT WITH THEM! AND PRISON SHOULD BE NO TELEVISIONS NO WEIGHT ROOM THEY SHOULD BE WORKING HARD LABOR 12 TO 14 HOURS A DAY. THIS IS BULLSHIT. OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS AFUCKING! BECAUSE OF THE SLEAZY PHUCKING LAWYERS.
@@grizz9150. 1st degree murder means there was a plan with intent to kill. Driving drunk doesn’t fall within those guidelines. Inebriated drivers might kill someone while driving under the influence, but that isn’t their plan and intent.
You can substitute certain things for intent which DAs should always do in cases like this.. this such as a complete disregard for safety/others lives can be used in the place of intent, think speeding passed a school bus with jrs lights and sign out
@@Skepticismisthewayhow? that makes no sense if they can do that they shouldn't be allowed to killing someone in a dui isn't first degree murder or any type of murder its a form of manslaughter
It should be a first degree muder charge if a drunk driver kills someone. They made the choice to drink and drive, so in my eyes, it premeditated murder.
@@JimmyBroski Apparently you don't understand the law either. So you want this guy charged same as if he planned for a week to off someone in cold blood? That is some very shallow thinking.
As a retired FF/Paramedic this makes my blood boil!! It seems sad watching it on UA-cam, but being there, seeing the horrific condition of the body then feeling for the family that had to be right there, hear, see, and smell it. I have ZERO sympathy or use for drunk drivers!!! TEN YEARS??? My opinion is, that when Mr Pappas can rejoin his loving family, the drunk driver can be released from prison. Bless that poor wife and daughter, they should never have lost him, but they should never have to see it
Well said. It's a horrible memory they'll never forget for the rest of their lives. When this dude gets out, there will be a point in time down the road where he won't think about it most days. It's grossly unfair.
They should take into account the BAC of the criminal as well. The dude couldn't even stand straight, let alone speak coherently. If someone decides to try and drive in a state like that and kills someone, it should be life no parole
@@XGreenSquirrelX Say what? Are you saying the father's life wasn't worth the asshole drunk going to jail for ten years? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Wait a second. So I got pulled over. Searched and ARRESTED for having fucking MUSHROOMS in my car. I was treated like a dirty fucking piece of trash. And this guy murders somebody and they just let him go. What the fuck am I seeing rn
Kamala Harris tried to send my friend to prison for longer than this guy. And all he was doing was growing weed in his attic. And had blank firing starter pistol like they use at a track meet. This was in California years ago.
Seeing Steph’s reaction absolutely breaks my heart..and for the ppl that think she was being fake seek help immediately she was clearly devastated after witnessing her father being murdered how would u react?? Some ppl have no hearts
Hell I reacted the same way two days ago watching my dog get brutally murdered by our other dog. Poor little pup never stood a chance against that put bull. My mom was a hell of a lady during that. That pit bull is heavy and strong asf and she got him limp strangling him. Luckily our other pit bull survived but Joey that cute little jack Russel died. He fought for about maybe 10 minutes. For 5 of those I had him in my hands. But it was a realization that the place I’m in is hell.
People like that accuse others of being fake about their reactions because they’re heartless themselves. It’s called projection. People who don’t deserve to live in society. They don’t deserve to be treated like people.
WHY? They let this guy go home after he drives drunk, crashes his truck into someone else's vehicle, and kills someone? The poor family that he hit didn't deserve this! He should have went straight to jail!!! He also killed the family's dog in the crash ffs!
You should not be a cop if you think it's appropriate to be anything but 100% professionally respectful to someone who is 100% cooperative, regardless of what they appear to have done. This guy did something horrible, yes, but he never once resisted, screamed, assaulted, or otherwise did anything that warranted the use of force or forceful commands. A guy is also more likely to confess if he's comfortable and feels the interactions with police are non-hostile.
While I understand the thought behind it, that's a really bad way to go. The law cannot discriminate who it is better to murder and who it is worse. What matters is if it was intentional, nothing else. Disparity of laws creates protected groups and minorities and leads to opression. After all, once we are all used to the fact one murder is better than the other, we will look as to why battery isn't. Or stealing. You can see where it goes wrong from there...
@@GalileusI wasnt being serious... I was just sharing my thoughts about how horrible the situation is. Of course a charge like that shouldn't exist lol
i remember the moment i heard this on the news.. i couldn’t believe it, i was sobbing. will never forget his beautiful smiles and laughs in Steph’s videos.. im so sorry for the whole family. this video broke my heart. Rip John🤍 you’ll never be forgotten
@@joemazza2583 yes sobbing, and still cried as i watched this video. obviously you wouldn’t understand when i watched steph and her dad for YEARS and would specifically watch the videos where Steph’s dad appeared on. his death felt like i lost my own dad..
@@zahra-ld7br I’m sorry but that’s very sad. It’s the internet .. you should care about your own family not some stranger on UA-cam. This is the problem with today’s society.
@@joemazza2583 you don’t even know me give me a break. this is the problem with today’s society where people make assumptions and are pressed to see an empathetic person.
@@joemazza2583stranger on youtube? a father just lost his life you insensitive keyboard warrior. heaven forbid people care about situations that don’t necessarily involve them. maybe once your frontal lobe develops you’ll be more compassionate
He is intoxicated and obviously caused the accident, but asking someone who got hit in the head for a field sobriety test is ABSURD. They should be checked with a breathalyzer directly, that's what other countries do
TBI's and concussions affect the validity of SFSTs, so they ask those questions to help prevent them from getting suppressed in suppression hearings, likely what their lawyer's attempted to do. It's the burden of the prosecution to protect the validity of the tests during the court proceedings.
I've never understood why the cops do those roadside sobriety tests in the US, as you say anywhere else in the world they just breathalise the person immediately then take them to the station for a blood test for official court records. It's not like if you manage to pass the roadside sobriety test while drunk you're going to get away with drink driving, or if for some reason you fail even though you're sober you're going to be charged with drunk driving, so the roadside tests and the results are pretty much redundant.
@ats-3693 It's because not every DUI is alcohol related, and could be drug related. Everything has different indications. According to the National Highway Transit Safety Authority (NHTSA), SFSTs are 91% accurate in determining intoxication. Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, which is not an SFST but still part of the exercises, is 77% accurate by itself, without any other tests. So if someone is flagging positive for both, then there is a substantial likelihood that they are impaired. Additionally, other countries do not have something similar to 4th amendment rights, or not to the same extent the US does. In order to get blood or breath samples one of two things are needed, consent or a warrant. This is why most states have something called implied consent, which dictates if you refuse to provide blood or breath samples your license will be suspended for a period of one year.
And, to add insult to injury, he will be 37 years old when he gets out, so he will have plenty of time to rebuild his life, get married, have children, possibl grow old with someone, abd many other life milestones, while the family is sentenced to life without peace for the rest of their lives for what that monster did, and he refused to even hold himself accountable!😡😡
You have to rule out concussion or other brain injuries as a result of the accident. You also have to consider factors such as medical history of the individual which the cops don't know this person's medical records. A defense attorney could create enough doubt in the prosecution's claims of intoxication if the police failed to test him.
A proper justice system shouldn't make assumptions about something like this after only seeing the aftermath, no matter how "obvious" it looks. After a thorough investigation, he was caught, imprisoned, and can never legally drive again. I think that's a pretty good outcome.
Yes, it's unbelievable. Luckily my doctor daughter just returned from Arizona to Australia, She said that she felt unprotected given the erosion of women's rights.
Man, this one hit me hard. I lived in Stark County for 56 years before moving to S. Carolina. We weren't even here a year when my husband of nearly 35 year and I were hit head-on. My husband was killed along with the 24 year old man and his 3 year old daughter. It's a literal miracle that I survived. There was also a 14 month old found on the floor behind the driver's seat. He had only scrapes and bruises, also a miracle. No one in the car who hit us were restrained. The man was going 70 in a 55mph zone, we were going 55. His Eclipse looked like a twisted mess of metal. It's been 8 years and this video took me right back to that night. My prayers for the family. Edited to add, it's repulsive to me that they let this guy OUT. Edit to add: It was on this young man's social media that he used weed and drank. We wanted a tox screen done but we were told they don't do that with fatalities. It might not matter to them but my family and I would like to know if he was under the influence.
So sorry for your loss. We've all been touched by DWI death or injury in some way yet we still accept it in society. It should be viewed as serious as attempted murder because that's what it is every time you DWI. Everybody knows you become a deadly threat when you get behind the wheel drunk. its 2024 and DWI laws are still way too loose
It makes me want to scream for the unfairness of what happened to you and that man's innocent child . Instead, I will say a prayer for you and the little one that survived . God Bless you
This breaks my heart. I found my father lying dead in the street and I lost it. I dropped to my knees and started crying and screaming. I went into shock. One police officer kept getting upset with me and telling me to calm down! I was so pissed 😤 I just lost my father in front of my eyes and you are telling me to calm down!?! Some officers need training on how to be empathetic. The ambulance workers had tears in their eyes as I was begging them to save him 😢 My heart hurts for this family having to endure this loss especially this way.
Dang they had a great relationship that’s rare. That’s sad. That sentence is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous and a spit in the face to the victims family.
that shit made me mad 🤦🏽♂️ his boss was clearly calling because she knew his drunk ass drove home drunk after his shift… shoudlve told the boss on the phone what had actually happened
These types of crimes are absolutely among the worst. Innocent families being taken at the hands of selfish individuals. Need to be slapping folks with 20+ years for this shit
@@joehatch1602 atleast a murder a good percentage of the time has a reason. not a good one but sometimes there is one. hell sometimes its simple and is a disagreement between 2 people. this kind of instance in the video has no rhyme or reason. "its just like oh man fuck me i guess i didnt deserve to exist today"
@@joehatch1602Yeah he intentionally got behind the wheel of a car drunk. Al he had to do was not that. He knew the consequences of driving drunk and did it anyway. That’s intentional af. He knowingly put the public in danger
I hate when drunk drivers claim they haven’t been drinking. Own up to it you pile of crap. Saying they hit you? This guys deserves street justice seeing as our own justice system let us down.
The reason people take drinking and driving lightly is because the penalties aren’t that bad. If you un unalive someone for drinking and driving, you shouldn’t be able to bill out.
@@Joey-gy5vj umm Sometimes channels don’t allow those words. Your comment will get deleted. Everybody knows why people use those words. Stop being annoyed by dumb shit.
Right? I've never seen them send them home and go "we'll call you when the results come back." Regardless of BAC, the dude killed someone/nearly took out a whole family. Why is he allowed to go home?? He's still staggering around.
It doesn't feel good, but until proven otherwise everyone is presumed innocent and shouldn't be imprisoned without a trial proving their guilt. We wouldn't want a system where the cops act as judge and jury, as much as it sucks looking back with hindsight on these types of incidents. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternatives.
I just can’t believe how the officers are skirting around the issue and not telling him that he was driving in the wrong direction and his actions killed a father and a husband. They’re treating him with kid gloves. His actions killed someone. Where’s the compassion for the victim and his family??? He gets to go home, but his victim is gone forever. 🤯
#@lauriem1017 Omg! Yes!!!!! Thank you!!!!! Wow! I'm like wow! No words! Because you said it the best! Amen!!!!!! Best comment! Hit all the exact same questions I was screaming at my phone while watching this! You are a wonderful person & please stay safe & god bless! Have a wonderful day my friend!
A good lawyer would set him free if they follow your advice 😂 shit my thoughts if he didn’t give that urine sample he could have fought that he was not good for those test and needed medical attention not to be tested! Cops played it as good as it gets!!!
They're on bodycam and any "aggressive" behaviour could be used in his favour. It's absolutely within everyone's interest that the police treat everyone with "kid gloves" because they have no extra recourse in court.
Indeed, at least mild sociopathic tendencies, but I think they are closer to psychopaths. I've always been a 100% law abiding citizen but have been unlawfully attacked, threatened, arrested, and jailed for absolutely NO rAs, NO PC, no crimes, no laws broken! Yet those criminal cops are still out there on the taxpayer payroll as cops.
Only 10 years? Wow this is so insulting to his family and friends 😢 they let this man and his family down 😢 I will never understand our justice system…. People got more time for selling drugs ….
Yeah it is, he can’t drive ever hopefully that’s in all states I’m not American so I don’t know the rules, but in America everything seems to be based on states
@@Sofus-fu4ro that's because states are individual states.....usa is like the eu, a conglomerate. difference is, usa gets violllllllent when one tries to leave. Also, family is lucky they even got 10yrs. When I was 15 one of them took my best friend from us, he returned to mx and hasn't been found.
It's not "the justice system," it's our outdated "sentencing guidelines!" Every state has min/max sentences they can give for each individual crime, depending on said crime, misdemeanor, felony, etc. Unfortunately, these sentences have been on the books since the initial action became a crime. And for some that can go way back. Crimes and the ability to commit them have only gotten better, it's time the sentencing also gets better, and cracks down harder in this day and age. Everything changes it seems, except the punishments for serious criminal action.
@@shawndashno6022 Except in this case he took a plea deal so it didn’t have much to do with guidelines. If they hadn’t dropped several charges and gave him the max sentence on each one and ran them all consecutively he could’ve been in there a lot longer.
Losing your father at 22 is one thing. Seeing his dead body in a brutal crash is a new level of hell
Especially with the bond they had. Heartbreaking.
I lost my mom to cancer when I was 22 and it was horrible, but at least I had time to say goodbye. I can't imagine losing someone so suddenly like this.
the blood and gore part of seeing that is the worst,
that picture will remain in her head for the rest of her life, and occasionally when she sits alone in silence, she will have flashbacks picturing that same image of her father,
really sad for that poor girl and i wish her whole family condolences,
i saw something similar 24 years ago, but it wasn't from any family of mine,
bless the poor girl and the mother
Seeing that the truck's front driver side tire and fender completely demolished the cars driver side....I don't even want to know how the body looked.... that truck type weighs roughly 4,000-5,000 lbs..just an awful accident that never should have happened.
@@galaxyrose15I know how it feels to lose a mother. I lost my mom six months ago to a terminal illness.
It’s not a “mistake” to drive drunk. It’s a choice. Get a ride or take an Uber TO your location so you can’t drive home.
Everything is a choice, some choices are better than others. Bad choices are generally referred to as mistakes. When somebody drives under the influence the consequences aren’t right in front of them. There’s a great chance that nothing will happen at all. Getting in a car and playing with the radio or eating food or reaching for your phone or a drink is just as dangerous as getting in a vehicle while under the influence and focusing on the road.
It's not to be taken literally. The officer is just killing time while the investigation continues. Do you think they were really eager to talk to this murderer about the Browns? Some of you people just don't get anything.
But we live in an age where the worst thing you can be in the world is responsible so nobody will do that.
@@gregmoniz6452 bro shut up.....learn to read the room
Super easy to read subtitles 🎉
a guy got 20 years for breaking in and touching people's feet while they slept but this guy gets only 10 years for killing a person? Justice system gonna justice system lol
i just seen that video, the justice system is fuckin wacky
Yeah, I saw that too - honestly, if I had a choice between having my dad and dog murdered or having my feet touched by a stranger... I think I'd chose the feet...
@@thewaver8 you look like you're the one breaking in pedo
Our justice system is insane
It's the "just us system"
The guy tried to play off what he did by acting like he didn’t know what happened and thanking the police over and over again. Then we learn he has a history of reckless driving and endangering the public. He’s a monster and deserves more than 10 years. The dad is a hero. RIP to man and man’s best friend.
Yet they still let him go home
The judges and lawyers are complicit in the fact that this man was allowed to continue his dangerous driving to the point he killed someone!
He was so drunk I don't think he is aware and may not remember anything that happened the next day. Although, I believe anyone in a crash as horrible as this (even the perpetrator) should immediately be checked out at the hospital. He may have a serious head injury or internal bleeding. The officers could then be held responsible. They could have taken his BAL while there. This is so sad this father was killed by someone so stupid and irresponsible. Why do people continue to get in a vehicle when they are impaired? I haven't finished the video, so I don't know what happens.
the guy probably barely knew what happened. I was surprised he didn't faceplant the concrete. doing the sobriety tests
@@mlite30 How is the dad a hero?
Ten years for taking a life is nothing. It's an insult to the man that died and his surviving family and friends.
I will never understand the plea deal system in the US. It's so disgusting
We don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system. Vote to change it.
More years ,more money...simple
What country are you from
The plea deal system is overused now, but it was a good tactic to get people to give up information in certain cases, but in America our prosecutors have become like the Japanese where they want the conviction no matter what.
@@handlesaresuperghey OOWWWEEEE HOW DAWWEE YOU DISWESPECT JAAAPAAAANNNNN FING FANG WING WANGGGGG
A life is only worth 10 years and a $500 fine? What a slap in the face to the family of the victim
@@heckalydalii200 has nothing to do with race it has to do with a flawed justice system but ok.
Thankfully this man can never drive legally ever again in his life and will continuously be put back unless he follows the rules and becomes a dependant bum
@@jrelyea828nah, they are right. I used to think like you too and then I went to jail. Race definitely matters, sadly. I've seen two people with identical criminal records and the same charges. The only difference being race, and the black person gets the book thrown at them while the white person gets a slap on the wrist.
Switching back and forth between the scenes of the loving relationship they had to the accident scene is heart wrenching.
@jrelyea828 if two people commit the same crime, one is white the other is of color, 90% chance the person of color will get more time. White sex offenders get off with a year or 2, while colored sex offenders do 15+ years (they should be locked for life)
"I'm smelling a little bit of alcohol from you"
Bro I can smell it through my monitor lmao
Yeah. It was almost palpable, just watching how unsteady he was. He almost fell over MULTIPLE times while being instructed on how to do the test before he even started.
@@scotthewitt258 You could see how glassy his eyes were as soon as they were first visible, know what I mean. I am no expert in the field but you do not have to be to see just how cooked this dude was.
@@lbdjthethird1240 Yeah. He was clearly impaired. I've noticed others that were very toasted who also tried to lay the blame on the innocent person they hit. They seem to never get THAT toasted that they can't CYA.
@@scotthewitt258 Actually that's a really good point. Now that you mention it, it blows my mind how people have enough survival instinct to try to avoid getting busted for driving drunk but NOT have enough to not drive drunk in the first place.
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He was at fault drunk driving, answering a cell phone, and took someone's life ? I'm not understanding why they let him go home the same night . Are they saying they're gonna wait on blood work when her dad died on the scene? That's crazy.
Standard procedure with a DUI. If you act civil throughout the process, they send you home once you fill out paperwork and give samples. They can't hold you on something like manslaughter without evidence and he hadn't broken any other laws outside of driving drunk. The accident is still just an accident, until they can prove with legit evidence that you were driving while heavily intoxicated. They also need process the scene and get the death legitimized via the coroner, before they can say you killed someone. If they don't do everything by the book, hence the time taken to do the field sobriety tests, the guy can walk and not be held responsible. This was handled perfectly, and dude ultimately paid a heavy price for his poor decision making that nigh.
@@Trizzogutta26 Seriously? WTF? Jail right away. Not that it changes anything. But he should’ve never been released that night
@@Luke_MoonWalkerthis dude did not act civil. if he did the innocent father would be alive.
American justice system at work.
We gotta wait for them to investigate themselves first.
Shit does not make any sense of swear I got a seat belt ticket and forgot to pay the 175 dollar ticket and they suspended me and happened multiple times got a felony after driving 3 tines without a license or being suspended and they tried to give me 5 years for it but this dpuchebag gets this shit for what he did yeah put legal system is a joke
He drives drunk, kills a man, goes to jail, then immediately gets to go home. The American justice system is a JOKE
It's called being bonded out before your trial. You act like he never got convicted and has been free this WHOLE TIME.
thinking the same thing u just said!!!!UNFKINGREAL!!
Unfortunately, someone paid for his bail, and idk how or why they would do that. I would've disowned & let him rot in jail.
What about innocent until proven guilty? What if he was having some sort of issue due to head trauma or low blood sugar and hadn’t had a sip of alcohol and the symptoms were mimicking impairment, wouldn’t it be right to prove he was impaired before being guilty of it? Wouldn’t want you on my jury of peers.
Who knew that people are supposed to be treated as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?...certainly not you , Joy.
If you kill someone as a result of drunk driving, you should be charged with murder.
he was
@@wolfensus kinda, he got vehicular homicide with a 10 year sentence, in an actual murder charge he would have gotten more time.
I think I heard the courts look at it as a mistake and they don’t wanna ruin two lives and pretty much two family’s even tho the one already is. Sometimes the courts make no sense.
@@Wolfspaine7N6 usually you are that's what I thought atleast
No it'll be manslaughter, actually read homicide laws instead of crying murder
“can i answer this? its my dad” says the man who just single handedly killed someone else’s father
I would NOT be so nice to him if I were that officer. I wouldn't give him any favors at all. I'd be very blunt and remind him about what he has just done to let it really sink in. "You killed that man and that's his 22-year-old daughter who witnessed it and she'll never get the memory of his mangled body out of her head now, you did this"
and?
Well you're a doll 😍
@@Mattreyu199was there a dash cam I missed that shows which party is at fault?
@@brkbtjunkie No but there was a video I guess you missed.
10 years prison for vehicular homicide is ridiculous. Should have got 50 years
A guy in a similiar incident only got a 2700 usd fine where im from 🙃
WHY IN THE HELL WAS HE ALLOWED TO LEAVE??? HE JUST KILLED SOMEONE AND IS CLEARLY INTOXICATED. IM FKING BAFFLED!!!
I'm just as irate. All of a sudden the judicial system has become soft on criminals. He not only killed the father but destroyed his daughter and wife
@@dandyone_123 100%
I agree. This is insane!
I can see a ptest taking a while so back it with a quicker breath test to at least book him for court. Some states do a summons but with a death it’s way strange.
@@DavidWiseman-uh1ec exactly! Why the hell wasn't he booked to see a judge in the morning? It's all very fk'd up. Im in Canada and no way this would have jived! He shouldn't even had bail/bond!!!
The FIRST thing he does is call his mother.
Steph can NEVER call her father.
Justice was not served to this poor family.
It never can be. No punishment can undo what happened.
That is correct.
I'm sorry, but if I were her, I could not rest until....something....was done.
Boo fucking hoo.
Are you repeating what the narrator said? Lol dude..
10 years in prison and can’t drive the rest of his life is plenty fool
"Everybody makes mistakes" No. That was a choice.
it was a choice but he was probably in a blackout and clearly oblivious to the fact he just killed someone and almost another. It doesn’t matter cause he easily could’ve made the decision to take a uber or get a ride before he got plastered
By definition choices turn into mistakes!
It is a mistake, but we lost the nerve for mistakes to have repercussions
@@isacchris1 My personal belief is that a mistake is something that is not foreseeable.
@@MitchThompson-h8y ummm, are you high? That one could cause an accident while driving drunk is very foreseeable! So foreseeable in fact its illegal to drive drunk!
My husband passed 9.22.23 he had a heart attack while driving his dump truck. He was only 46. I remember getting to the hospital & the doctor walking in to tell me he didn’t make it. I’ve never felt a pain or let a scream out like that. Now I’m 32 and widowed. We were together 11 years. The absolute love of my life. Seeing his body was traumatic the cuts on his head and face. I had the priest re new our vowels and read his last rights. I love you Chris 7/7/77-9/22/23
My life changed in an instant. Everything we worked for gone. Staring over while grieving is so hard. My heart goes out to the family of this man. He was a beautiful soul. God bless and help us all 🙏🏻
@@Gemini_blue I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m sure you gave him the most amazing 11 years he could have ever asked for. Rest in peace, Chris.
That's so very sad! I'm so very sorry for your loss! That's truly heartbreaking to hear. I do know that pain. My dad passed away from a heart attack at age 52. And I still can remember that terrible pain of walking into the empty funeral home to see him lying in that casket! You never forget that. Huge hugs and internal peace to you always ❤
Im so very sorry, Gemini. I know you don't know me, im just a random person on SM, but Im here for you in spirit. I am sending you love and light. Sometimes words just cant cover it.
Oh my god, my heart breaks for you. I'm so sorry for your overwhelming loss. I know there aren't any words that can ease the pain. Gentle hugs and tons of love. Rest in peace to your beloved Chris ♥
@@Gemini_blue I am so very sorry for your loss.
my dad died in 2012 from a car crash while he was driving home from work on his motorcycle. the lady who hit him was driving a pickup truck without a license. she only did three months while i had to grow up without a father. terrible terrible world we live in.
I am so sorry. I was slammed into at a stop light at 10am. He was a physician with a history of opioid abuse . I ended up with a broken neck and multiple surgeries.
On deposition and in court, he stated that "he didn't recall" what happened.
Unfortunately, my family and I recall all too well. I am reminded of it every damn day.
Thats heartbreaking. I cant imagine trying to cope with losing your Dad like that and the b*tch that did it only serves 3 months. I lost my Dad at 12 but at least it wasnt due to someone else's stupidity. I hope youre doing well at this point in life
I'm so sorry that happened to your family. Sending love and light your way.
An accident is an accident.... they happen.
A person should NOT be punished for an honest accident.
If a person is intoxicated, and the cause of the accident is from that, THEN it is a different story altogether.
@@davelowets i get where you’re coming from but when an accident is completely avoidable it is no longer an accident. she chose to get behind the wheel and drive while her license was revoked for previous traffic violations. i don’t care what logic you try to use to defend your argument, she WAS in the wrong, she KNEW she was in the wrong, and there’s no denying that the whole thing could have been avoided had she have been following the law and not be driving in the first place. but way to go to side with her, i highly doubt you’d feel the same way if someone close to you suffered the same fate.
The fact that the mom was trying to keep it together for her daughter, barely able to fight back tears… I just know her husband was a very lucky man, blessed with a beautiful family who will never forget him.
May he be resting in peace. 🕊️
Edit: Before y’all keep replying, yes, I know the mother was in shock as well
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He seemed like such a sweet loving dad, my heart hurts so badly 😢 the poor dog too 💔
It's called shock. She wasn't keeping anything together. Her daughter was already saying everything she wanted to, so she just remained silent. I'm happy that you've never experienced seeing someone in this state in person.
This is so sad and senseless! Drunk drivers get no sympathy. 10 years for taking a life while driving drunk is an insult to the man who died and his family.
@@Polyothixit's also a good example of the different reactions to severely traumatic events. Some people break down into tears and cries, some people just go quiet and still like they're comatose.
The dad turning to the right to protect his family and take all the damage to himself is such a dad thing to do. God bless your soul sir and rest in peace.
Did he have any other choice though? When the vehicle is getting into your lane from the opposite direction swerving to the right is the obvious move. Irrespective of who else is in the car.
Dad protected his daughter and wife. RIP
@@pepsibIue steph wasn't in the car, he protected his wife tho.
@@pepsibIueSteph wasn’t in the car.
Her mum was but she survived because of John.
Cookie passed with John, I assume she was on the side he was on.
I missed the part where this was determined to be fact. They must have asked REAL quick before the crash.
That sentencing is a travesty of justice. He is dangerous, and shouldn't be able to go onto the road ever again.
"my truck is totaled Mom".... Never mind the guy I just killed.....
He didn’t know he killed someone
His BS stickers on the back of his truck window kinda wave red flag sociopath vibes.
He obviously didn't know yet.
He knew he hit another driver… he knew he was driving drunk… he didn’t know the status of the other driver because he didn’t care about anything but his own world that entire night….
@@CosmoMomen Exactly. All about him. And then he furthermore had the balls to declare himself "not guilty". What an absolute loser. It's so hurtful.
It’s always the drunk drivers that live, awful.
and he wasn't even wearing his seatbelt!
Because they flop around like ragdolls and the other people see it coming and tense up, overcorrect, etc. It's something I would NEVER want to have to live with. That's why IF I have one cocktail, I'll Uber and get my car the next day. If I'm planning on drinking, I'll just Uber there so no temptations or alcohol driving the car instead of me.
Yep it's not fair. They are more likely to survive as they have slower reaction times and don't brace for impact, this means they are more likely to suffer less broken bones ect and the alcohol then acts as a buffer that inhibits certain chemicals that are released when a person suffers a major injury. The same phenomenon can be seen from sleeping passengers and unconscious patients in ambulance crashes.
@@TheNeonNugu realize this is a myth?
@@smackdashitoutchu7755not a myth. A good friend of mine was hit head on and killed by an extremely drunk driver, and the on scene investigator said that the only reason the drunk survived was his level of intoxication.
Let me get the straight. He chose to drink and drive knowing that he has a history with similar charges, proceeds to speed to 90+ mph while being in the oncoming lane and gets into a horrific accident resulting in the death of a husband and father along with his dog while nearly ending the lives of the other passengers.. And only got 10 years in the end. What a fucking cruel joke that is. My heart goes out to the family of Mr. Pappas and I can only hope for a more severe sentence to be handed down to the amoeba brained waste of life Jacob L. Muiter who knew what he was doing and the risks that went along with it. I hope he never forgets the pain he caused. Rest In Peace John Pappas and his loving companion Cookie- you will be sorely missed.
Well said ❤🙏🥲
🐾💐🌺😭💔
Very well said 🥹
Dont forget, that after police take him in, knowing full well John Pappas was dead, they let this bastard go home. While Steph was sitting home, recording the video about her fathers death, this ass hole was a free man.
Thats why if you want actual justice you better do it before the cops get involved because they sure wont give you any
Y’all don’t realize how common it is for restaurant closing managers to get shitfaced while closing and drive home
R.I.P. Cookie
She was killed in this accident too.
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Nooo that poor doggy🥲
Oh man. This is so unbelievably sad.
oh my god that's what i was dreading to hear noooo :(( this poor family
Not the little fur potatoe 😢
I hate when people call drunk driving a mistake. It’s not it’s a choice.
I don't see how being a choice and being a mistake are mutually exclusive.
A lot of choices are mistakes.
@jrads11 Why would anyone expect someone under the influence of alcohol to be able to make good choices? Why would anyone expect that people will not drive drunk when there are bars everywhere and alcohol for sale legally? Alcohol takes away people's inhibitions causing them to make bad decisions. So making it illegal is the only way to reduce the amount of people drinking.
@@realpatriot5896 - That conclusion came out of nowhere.
sad all the way around ...
The crying in the beginning is haunting
Rip
Heartbreaking
The sorrow and disbelief is palpable, I have goosebumps and tears in my eyes. RIP John Pappas.
@@UnicornsExist17couldn’t agree more with you. you said it so well too.
yeah you can feel the pain
As a paramedic, it’s not the patients that haunt me, it’s the families pain that I can vividly hear.
This clown was treated way too good after what he did to these people. The thought of Dad taking the dog Home with him is a bittersweet heartbreaking thought. There are NO accidents when you drink & drive and someone's hurt or killed... you CHOSE to drink and drive.
White privilege.
Wait, a dead man, 90 mph, 3x drunk & no seatbelt -he should be in the clink forever
No seatbelt. What the hell are you taking about? Who cares? One of these things is not like the other. One of these things doesn’t belong. He had amphetamines in his system. That would supersede the seatbelt in a list of things done horribly wrong that actually matter.
Capital Crime
@@asmitty04 Seatbelts stop your 200+ pound body from flying from your car, into mine. Seatbelts save lives. Not just the person that is supposed to be wearing it.
@@asmitty04 I think the point was clear, and if anything you've derailed the conversation via pedantic rant.
I think he just meant that there was such an accumulation of things this guy had against him, even all of his previous infraction that the punishment did not fit the crime. @@asmitty04
It's not "an accident". It's not a "mistake". This guy STOLE the most valuable thing a person could steal. Someones life. And stolen not just from the person he MURDERED, he stole that life from his family. And all he received for this was 10+ years? Driving under the influence is a conscious decision any ADULT should be able to say NO to. This is bad at ALL levels.
You may as well blame car companies for building cars that can go faster than the speed limit.
I think 10 years is on the high end. If you don’t think 10 years is enough, what sentence do you think he should have received?
@@californiaslastgasp6847 The sentence he gave.
@californiaslastgasp6847
10 years is plenty for this crime. Premeditated murder gets you 25 years. Manslaughter gets you 10-15. This is Manslaughter. So, 10 years is plenty. You could argue it's on the high end, possibly 5-8 would have been sufficient. But, it appears that there was a decent judge on that day, because they gave him 10 years instead. People forget that emotions have no place in a courtroom. One side demands life, the other leniency. Both sides are biased. The judge is the only rational thinker. He decided 10 years was required. Families want an "eye for an eye". God will enact His own justice on everyone, according to each his/her own deeds. "Vengeance is mine, says the LORD. I will repay."
yea we know that already bro pretty duh statement
There is absolutely no excuse for driving drunk. People need their license revoked for life. Driving is a privilege, one strike and you're out IMHO
In most cases I’m a firm believer in givingnpeople one chance, but this particular one is totally fucked.
Whatever. Most drunks get home
@@Arthur-ke9vz Found the drunk driver
Probably drunk life driver us or maybe even further this law used in the world I do not know about it..
@@Arthur-ke9vz most rapists and murders aren't caught either
This video shouldn’t be on the internet. Not the first part of his family crying. That’s not fair for them to have their worst moment on the internet forever.
public records, its better to have them than to not.
As much as i agree with you this also shows the consequences of drunk drivers which may help prevent this in future
@@affanpogbahimovic3315 yeah I agree with that part 100%
Agree😢
Boohoo
"Mom, my truck is totaled"...
This man has a STAGGERING sense of priorities.
He also said a car hit HIM.
@tulanzuya yup! Drunk little fibber didn't wanna get in trouble with his mommy so he lied 😂
@@airlar4857 Well to be fair, he probably didn't even grasp the situation. Just look at the guy, he's absolutely wasted. Obviously didn't know he was on the wrong side of the rode, just took it as someone hitting him and was far too shitfaced to think about anything other than himself.
I'm not too sure he was fully aware of the damage he actually caused in that moment
10 years??????? He killed someone(and a dog!) what a sad miscarriage of justice… I hope this family is able to find peace
10 years is actually a long sentence for this. It's not long enough, in my opinion, but most drunk drivers who end up killing someone don't get that long.
The law only looks at intent, it will be argued he did not intend to cause someone's death, his actions can then only be considered as negligence. A moot point as the state offered a plea deal to secure the conviction, stats matter to DA's on the political track, not justice.
It should be life behind bars
@@DownButNotOutYet God, that is so true...unless they think they will get something out of it. I have seen people get 10 years for pot ( a few years back) and a manslaughter or out rite murder get 5 years. DAs for the most part are only concerned about their job, rep, or running for a higher office. They seem to care little about justice for the victims family. With all the unhappy people in the world...true happiness is priceless and often gone way to soon. 😢 Sorry for typos, but yeah....I am crying and I am sure * am not the only one.
In Califorina some dude I went to school with ended up killing someone at the age of 21 while driving drunk he even ran from the scene along with his passenger. He
Only did 3 years due to having no priors.
She is right, she will never get over this. I lost my husband in a crash 8 years ago when he was 38. It doesn’t get easier. 😢 I miss him everyday.
💔❤️
I’m sorry for your loss.
I’m so sorry 😢 that is so awful I’m sad this happened to you. It must be so incredibly hard to deal with that 😢 I hope things get better one day ❤️🩹 I wish you the best 🤍
just remember he was cheating on you and would again, love isn’t real lmao
I'm sorry for your loss - he must have been a wonderful man and you clearly love him very much. I'm so sorry that happened.
Cops are straight weird for being so persistent to the daughter who was obviously grieving
One of my recent co workers got 13 DUIs and hes still driving around drunk. The american justice system is an absolute joke.
How has he not had serious jail time for 13 DUI's? In Oregon you can get up to 5 years on your 3rd within 10 years.
What state is this? That's absurd!
@@9jvfnvolkerts693 South Dakota
What state?? How is he still alive 😐 and how is his liver not a piece of chewed up flesh??
@sethranney within 10 years is crazy. Let's say drunk drivers get caught 1/20 times they drive drunk. Which deffinately isn't the case because habitual drunk drivers can get away with YEARS of poor choices. If you get caught once sure whatever DUI suspension the whole 9. But a second time within your own lifetime and you shouldn't ever hold a set of keys to ever again let alone get behind the wheel of a car
Little did the suspect know, his car getting totaled would be the least of his worries. But a 10 years sentence is absolutely disgraceful to the victim and his family!
@Neeneex3 victims. If you're not gonna count his wife you at least have to count cookie...
That's usually the only thing they are about. We've seen quite a few videos where the drunk kills someone, or multiple people, and only cares about themselves and the inconvenience it causes in their own lives.
America is a joke
@@mattb6646it’s as if they’re drunk or something
@@CoercedJab millions of drunk people in the world who aren't self centered dipshits. As they say alcohol just brings out who you truly are.
His boss called him? He works in a Bar as the manager. Didn’t anyone thought to tell him “hey, you shouldn’t be drinking on the job!” And not to drive when work was over? He killed someone and lied that he wasn’t drinking and that he didn’t caused the accident. At least he had the decency to ask about the victims.
The dumbass probably thought the amphetamines he took would help sober him up.
It's possible they didn't see him drinking. Alcoholics and addicts in general can be really sneaky.
Yeah, drinking on the job should never of been allowed. The issues it creates with Insurance should have been enough to ban it taking place. It's an accident waiting to happen and unfortunately it helped lead to this tragedy.
@@blackous7629 maybe not actually see him drinking but they would’ve known from his behaviour and odour.
@TommyAventador you can tell individuals apart by smell in a bar?
I watched my Dad die, someone that I spent 44 years with, made amazing memories with. There is a soul-wrenching cry that bellows from the depth of your soul when you realize that their gone. I felt her cry, it was so haunting and i understood completely. I hope her soul finds peace and she can find happiness in her memories with her father in time.
I'm a daddy's girl, so her cries of pain really got to me 😢. I couldn't imagine 💔.
At 4:02, the man's only concern is that his truck is totalled. horrible.
They had a great relationship, her dad was her best friend. I've watched her for years, and I still cry over John's passing, along with Cookie. I dont bring my dog in my car anymore because of this.
you dont need to be to feel the pain, im so fucking angry at the drunk driver, holy shit this is so unfair
Me too... And I couldn't help but cry with and for her and her mom...😢 So so sad....
It's tough to hear the cries of someone that has lost their loved one. I felt so emotional after hearing her. One thing have never thought about(when it comes to police) is that they are placed in these situations where people have been exposed to horrific trauma and try to distract them as best they can to keep them from seeing their loved ones mangled. Normally I am pretty negative about cops and shooting everyone. The police officers here aren't like the ones I've encountered, but I've never lost someone like this.
Trucks like this one are everywhere. When I park my normal car at the grocery store I can't help but think about one of them plowing in to be head on, and how that would most likely be the last thing I see. A big wall of filled with small dicks.
What is this horseshit? Treating the drunk driver like he is the victim??? AND LETTING HIM GO HOME?!?!?!?!?
To be fair, the investigation wasn't complete. He could have been the victim of the MVC for all they knew at the time.
You can gather way more evidence from a suspect when their guard is down.
its an investigation, it takes time. they got the sample of his urine and when the test came back they put out a warrant and he was caught the next day. they also are making small talk with him to build rapport (not because hes a "victim"), maybe to get him to open up or to take the test because the suspect will be more vulnerable if he feels like he can trust the officers.
@@mighty0974 To be fair he was OBVIOUSLY drunk, yet they didn't book him for drunk driving. Mind boggling.
@ZackChimento "book him"? They did. They brought him in to the station, got his info, got samples, and probably gave him a ticket. Did you watch the video?
wow a DUI resulting in death and he just walks out the door??? This guy should not be out of jail.
Damn, I thought the same thing. I was in disbelief when he said his roommate was coming to pick him up.
He wasn’t charged with the death until later it was just a standard DUI.
They had to investigate and do their jobs first. I had a misdemeanor and a felony on the same night but was only arrested for the misdemeanor first and released after I posted bail. I was arrested for the felony almost 3-4 months later. I'm not saying learn it for future crimes you may commit, just so you're not confused as to why this happens.
I had a hard time with that also and you kill someone your fault and you bond out? This is beyond acceptable.
Bounty was set and cashed. He's walking on limited time.
I don't understand how he was not told (at the police station) that he killed a man. The officers all acted like it was nothing, and seemed to downplay the seriousness of it all. I don't understand their reasoning for it all. To keep telling everyone, it was just a little accident... huh??? What a wakeup call Jacob had later.
This is absolutely heartbreaking. Hearing Steph cry to the 911 operator shattered me.
I had to turn them down after the accident, the wailing...just brutal. Horrible.
Watch her entire video, the one she made 2 days after. I am an adult male with a teenaged son, crimal justice, wounded in action; still I cried for her. My ex-wife & I used to watch Steph's food reviews. She is a delightful, informative creator. This video brought back the emotions of watching that post-crash video. This was very well-made.
Definitely when I heard her crying on that video I was like also emotional
Poor baby 😢 and family
@@jonboll-LGM I tried to find video I think it is not available ?
that sentence is a complete insult to the family . may his soul rest in peace .
nah
I agree wholeheartedly!!!
Is life in prison going to bring the father back????
@@Kyle-bi7df typical Kyle … finding the need to defend a serial killer with no remorse .
@@davefave4458 Sadly it's the correct sentence though for these charges and not much else could be done, since it's manslaughter. The entire system needs harsher pentalies.
I lost my fiance in 1982 to a drink driver, head-on on a sharp curve. I spent 32 years on Fire/EMS picking up the carnage caused by those who chose to drive when intoxicated. It is not a mistake. It is a stupid, heartless, narcissistic choice. And 10 years for slaughtering a father and husband is a travesty, an insult to the victim and his family.
lolololololo
💯. In EMS for 26 years as an EMT and a NREMTP. The devastation caused by those who choose to drink and drive is horrendous. And it is a choice. A selfish one. There is no excuse.
I'm sorry about your fiance. 💔
@@misanthropyunhinged You are a horrible human being.
I am so sorry for your loss. I also know nothing anyone says can truly make a difference.
God bless you
God dang he was a pure soul. Full of happiness too. Undeserved. And the fact he got to walk out after KILLING someone. Unbelievable world we live in.
i’ve been watching her channel for a while so when i found out he died i literally cried. he was such a nice soul and his bond with his daughter was so strong.
The saddest part is that a dad in a daughter’s life that much, is such a rare thing at her age and could only help her in her life. Now she doesn’t have that and has to live with what she saw that night. It’s going to drastically change her outcome on her life. So damn sad!
@@NORTAH85It really makes you realize how many circumstances you’ve been stuck in because of the actions of someone else.
Ive watched her for years and I cant believe this!! My jaw dropped when they said her name. Her dad was literally so sweet. You could just tell he was a great dad. They seemed so happy. 😔
I was widowed at 23 yrs old by a drunk drive. i had married my high school sweetheart and we had so many plans. In a split second he was erased from the planet. Its been many years and I have dealt with this pain and am ok. But....the people who do drink and drive and kill others will never understand the pain, loss and emptiness when you have your world taken from you by the careless actions of a drunk. This guy served time. The drunk driver who killed my husband was also killed in the crash. So think that helps. It doesnt. Its worse because you want to see that person pay...he did...but not the way I needed him to be treated. Please if you know anyone who drinks and drives PLEASE stop them. You will save their life and for sure save the person drinking.
Kim so sorry for your loss. It must be hard to watch these videos, see people choose to do this over and over again.
Take care ma'am.
@@cathycoff5845 hugs to you, my grandma and grandpa were killed by a drunk driver too.
As a former EMT having seen this devastation time and again my heart goes out to you. I will forever carry in my mind the horrific scenes I've been to. Hugs and trust me we feel your pain. ❤
Drunk driving to me is just way too accepted and common. How did society get like this? I feel like the alcohol lobby who keeps these laws for DWI loose has blood on their hands. It should be way more severe a punishment just for DWI by itself. We need to change the view that it's not a big deal
kills a man drunk af, ends up leaving the cop station shaking the cops hand yooo what the hell did i just watch?
All sorts of red flags with this man….number 1 he’s a browns fan
Fucked justice system in america
they got a 10 year charge off it, these are good investigators, top class
if you are nice they will comply, it is a tactic
also notice how when family members of his got on the phone w/the cops the cops never let on that this guy is their prime suspect and is potentially in criminal trouble. Because if they did, his family might have convinced him to lawyer up, refuse tests, remain silent, etc... They just said he's ok. When asked other details that the cops obviously knew the answer to because we saw the answer ourselves in the bodycam footage, they'd say they don't know, they just want to let them know he's ok. When asked if they could come to him, they tried to talk them out of it, oh sorry the roads are blocked, we'll call you later (after we're done sweet talking him into helping us to get as much evidence against him as possible). When the suspect himself asked how the other car was, they pretended they had no idea and just gave him 'i don't know'. They knew. But if they told him and he realized how much trouble he potentially was in, depending on all the evidence, then he might make it more difficult for them to get that evidence. Even letting him go can help because he might go do something that gives them even more evidence, like confess to his friends. So they did far more than it appears.
Watching the montage of Steph and her father was very touching. They really lost someone special in the blink of an eye. It can happen to any of us. Tell your loved ones that you love them every day.
He was sentenced 10 to 13.5 years in prison. For the hurt he caused that family for the rest of their lives, it is not enough.
Knowing his record, He will continue to serve jail time due to his life time DL suspension. I guarantee he will get caught driving over and over.
yeah it is
I think 10 years is on the high end. If you don’t think 10 years is enough, what sentence do you think he should have received?
@californiaslastgasp6847 Well if you take someone's (outside of self defense) you should forfeit your chance at ever having a free life. So for this a guy to answer your question if 10 years isn't enough what would a good sentence be. The answer is life.
Is life in prison really going to change anything???? no
This is a man that didn’t even ask about the people in the other car. He was worried about his truck and this man has priors and only got 10 years. There’s something seriously wrong with our system. This man should’ve received more time.
That man is a selfish human being. He doesn’t even deserve to be called a human being. Literally took a LIFE and all he cares about is his truck. HIS TRUCK. He can replace that truck. A human life CANNOT be replaced. Ugh he makes me so mad.
Not to defend him, but the driver of the red truck did ask if the people in the other car were ok at least twice if not more times. He asked when he was about to go home at the police station and even teared up about it. I agree though that he should've gotten way more time because he took a life from this world! My condolences to the family of the man that got killed because of this "drunk" self-centered kid! This kid should've already served time long before this incident because of his history of driving while intoxicated. Sick and twisted so called judicial system we have that's for sure.
@@EmeraldJade66Good point you made there! I am wondering what sentence you would find more appropiate in this case? His license is also suspended for life which is a good thing.
Nobody refers to summary traffic citations as "priors''...
10 ????? for murder ?!?!?! How in the hell
Ohio, do better. This man gets to walk away in 2033. For KILLING someone. Drunk driving is not an “accident or mistake” … also, dude only cares about his totaled truck… no remorse not once asked about the people he just hit.
Republican run states love drunk drivers
Before that even he will do 85% of 10 years and be out
It's not just Ohio, it's everywhere, I have yet to see anyone actually get more time than that, look at the uproar when they gave that truck driver 110 years, people made a huge stink about and he ended up getting less than 10.
He did ask twice about the other vehicle
did we watch the same video? the drunk driver asked multiple times about the other car in the accident and the cops wouldn't tell him anything. and you act like he MURDERED someone, it was MANSLAUGHTER as he didn't mean to kill them drunk or not. which he proved in court and is why he got 10-13.5 years. i'm not agreeing with the drunk driver but you cant charge him with something he didn't do.
These cops are truly professional and above &beyond helpful, patient with everyone involved in this accident. Also the same with the onlookers getting too close.
Coming up on my dad’s deceased body was hella traumatizing. I could never imagine being in their position. Prayers for them both.
I know, after my father died I wanted to see him one last time, wish I didn’t. My sister was there with her first child, so my dad never got to see his first grandchild, but when I walked in there was just the coffin and the funeral guy. I had to unscrew the screws from the lid and then pick up the lid to put it to the side, all while my sister watched and was crying. It was heart wrenching to hear her say “look Jason, that is your grand dad…”
The worst thing for me wasn’t seeing the shell that used to be my dad but when my sister kissed his forehead and I felt compelled to do the same, only to wipe my mouth as it felt so wrong. Been nearly twenty years but I won’t forget that experience anytime soon
@@KiNgSaRcAsMoNe Bro i did the same, kissed my dads cold dead forehead. An image thats burnt in my head forever
@@MrWackozacko yeah, never goes away and I can recall it anywhere. Condolences
Doesn’t that mean that you could imagine it? Since you’ve supposedly been through it yourself
@@dog210christianshe's lying
Her mother survived because of John, He saved her mum.
Please be respectful towards Steph and his wife, They are still going through this and struggling through this.
@@Abi-Grey8 where was this at?
@@chrisclarkson6232 I think it’s Ohio somewhere, It was in 2022.
How did he save her mom?
@@Bystronicman08 he swerved in his last moments as much as he could so he was hit more by the truck than her
DUI is the simplest criminal charge to avoid.
Never drink and drive.
so is murder. and cheating
1 drink and I give up my keys. This is painful to see.
Ooooor....hear me out: not drink at all! People forget thats an option. Noone needs any alcohol.
@@keymaster8176 but you're the key master
The saddest part is if first time offender kills someone while being drunk behind the wheel,they get charged with involuntary manslaughter and almost always get only 3-7 years in jail, some don't even get that long in jail,and are back out doing the same thing. From experience , a drunk driver killed my little sisters husband on his motor cycle ,and she got only 3 years in jail,and 1 year probation. After the 4 years past,she did it again and plowed into a family of 5 ,and only person survived. How many lives have to be taken by idiots who like to drink and drive before it is taken more seriously?
Just saying, just because the truck is on the opposite lane after a collision doesn't mean that's where it was before the crash. Get real.
Don't support a murderer
I agree. The father dad died probably hit him and played dead.
Alcohol doesn't make you forget the law. It should be a minimum of 20 years for driving drunk.
It effects decision making. Hence people make the choice to drive. If they wernt impaired they wouldn't drive.
That's what impairment means.
@@VenomRoadRacing I’ve been blackout drunk dozens of times. Not ONCE did I entertain the idea of drunk driving. Do you know why? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE LAW
Shit like this sucks but that is simply ridiculous
100%
20 years? I wouldn't wanna live in your dictatorship
Oh, his license to drive is permanently revoked, like that's gonna stop him from driving when he gets out. I bet he doesn't do the full 10. The laws need to change because 7 years for vehicular homicide isn't enough. If you drink and drive that is a CHOICE. You know you can kill someone while driving drunk. You do it anyway... That's first degree murder. And my biggest beef with the US criminal justice system is the word "concurrent." It allows criminals to get away with, literally, murder.
No way in my opinion is second degree murder. It wasn't intentional, however it led to a death. Second degree murder is not 10 years. Driving drunk is one of the most heinous things you can do. Because you can help it. There are many options that you can take besides driving drunk. Absolutely disgusting and the drunks always survive and the innocent people die.
@@StunningModelDonnaDempsey-q3q Your the most logical bot ever
Absolutely!! I am tired of sentencing running concurrently to other sentences. All it does is negate consequences. For those that don't get concurrent sentencing, for example, If they get 10 years, plus 7 for whatever, to run concurrently, even if they spend 10 in prison, that seven is "time served." The clock starts for both at the same time. They should never run together, charges should be STACKED!!!! Period, 10 and 7 is 17 years!!
Not to mention continuing drinking at all. If you know you have a problem, you should get help and stop drinking. They choose to keep drinking. I lost two people in my own family due to alcohol. F*ck these people.
There is no premeditation, no cruelty and no intention. I envy your life if you think DUI homicide is remotely comparable to the things some people can inflict on others. I can understand that you get an emotional reaction when seeing the grief of a family that just lost its father contrasted against the indifference of the perpetrator, but this is silliness. It's not first degree murder, not even close - and 10 years is a fine sentence for this crime.
Never heard of John Pappas till today. What a tragedy
He was truly amazing. He was a great father and person.
It's odd.. but neither have I. What made YOU stop and watch?
Yes, it's a terrible loss for North America and the Western Worl..
I mean the universe.
The guy was eating burghers with his daughter?????? W-O-W.
@@Tom-6502 With so many people on the internet today, its likely people have millions of followers, which is for sure worthy of the word star, but yet you've never heard of them. They certainly are celebrities, but just not at the status of the Kardashians.
@@squash2127 Not everyone follows "celebrities." And having millions of followers don't mean much to someone who doesn't use a particular platform. They're just ordinary people at the end of the day. But he seemed like a nice man. Condolences to his wife and daughter.
37 WHEN HE IS RELEASED HMMMM HAS HIS WHOLE LIFE TO LIVE . SEEMS UNFAIR .
The mother and daughter should sue his empolyer, The Basement sports bar into oblivion. Sounds like his family and friends are his enablers.
Why
They didn't stuff alcohol into him, did they?
They should sue his azzz straight up
we had something just like this happen in our small town were the bartender was drinking on the clock then left and killed someone walking and kept driving and cleaned their car to hide it! only got 4 years but the place they worked at shutdown not long after. blows my mind how little time they get!
The employer didn’t get behind the wheel and make the decision to drive how about we hold people responsible for their own actions.
When did this happen omg rip 🪦
@@Thumper68 the buisness allowed him to get 3x legal limit while at work...explains the call from his boss...damage control for allowing ANYONE to leave after plying them with booze while at work...the basement is equally responsable for this
The judge should also add another 2 years for the death of their dog as well.
@@thowphak2886 more like 5, a dog lives for 15 years as well.
He was charged for that that’s why it was two homicide charges
@@sebby324 I don't mean to be insensitive but, really?? Wow, that's a surprise.
@@lespectator4962 yes that’s why it’s two different classifications of homicide
@@sebby324 I always thought the nomenclature of homicide was derived from homo sapien, so it implied that it was only for humans. Interesting to know though.
You can prevent drunk drivers by giving them proper sentences for homicide (1st degree) and not the slap on the wrist they always get.
R.I.P. John Pappas
The problem comes with proving specific intention. "1st degree homicide" is not a real term, the legal class of that crime is called murder. In order to prove murder you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there was premeditation, deliberation, or intent to kill.
And put all the lawyers who stand up to DEFEND THESE DRUNKEN BASTARDS!!
And any sleazy lawyer that stands up to defend these people should be in prison RIGHT WITH THEM! AND PRISON SHOULD BE NO TELEVISIONS NO WEIGHT ROOM THEY SHOULD BE WORKING HARD LABOR 12 TO 14 HOURS A DAY.
THIS IS BULLSHIT. OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS AFUCKING! BECAUSE OF THE SLEAZY PHUCKING LAWYERS.
@@grizz9150. 1st degree murder means there was a plan with intent to kill. Driving drunk doesn’t fall within those guidelines. Inebriated drivers might kill someone while driving under the influence, but that isn’t their plan and intent.
You can substitute certain things for intent which DAs should always do in cases like this.. this such as a complete disregard for safety/others lives can be used in the place of intent, think speeding passed a school bus with jrs lights and sign out
@@Skepticismisthewayhow? that makes no sense if they can do that they shouldn't be allowed to killing someone in a dui isn't first degree murder or any type of murder its a form of manslaughter
He's the manager of the bar? That's a lawsuit.
nope
It should be a first degree muder charge if a drunk driver kills someone. They made the choice to drink and drive, so in my eyes, it premeditated murder.
Don't think you understand what first degree murder is.
They’d have to prove he went out driving with the intent to kill…… I can tell you don’t know the law.
@@willscottrell6919 UA-cam and the internet in general has brainwashed people lol.
@@aj897key word of their statement “should be.” Meaning the law should be changed.
@@JimmyBroski Apparently you don't understand the law either. So you want this guy charged same as if he planned for a week to off someone in cold blood? That is some very shallow thinking.
Hearing her scream was agonizing. This was a tough one to get through
Absolutely sad 😢
As a retired FF/Paramedic this makes my blood boil!! It seems sad watching it on UA-cam, but being there, seeing the horrific condition of the body then feeling for the family that had to be right there, hear, see, and smell it. I have ZERO sympathy or use for drunk drivers!!! TEN YEARS??? My opinion is, that when Mr Pappas can rejoin his loving family, the drunk driver can be released from prison. Bless that poor wife and daughter, they should never have lost him, but they should never have to see it
Very nicely said❤
Well said. It's a horrible memory they'll never forget for the rest of their lives. When this dude gets out, there will be a point in time down the road where he won't think about it most days. It's grossly unfair.
Steph wasn't in the car accident, so thankfully didn't she didn't see the state of her dad.
Her screams of grief are just ... I never want to hear anything like that again 💔😭
R.I.P , taking his life shouldn't have landed him on just 10 years.
They should take into account the BAC of the criminal as well. The dude couldn't even stand straight, let alone speak coherently. If someone decides to try and drive in a state like that and kills someone, it should be life no parole
@@XGreenSquirrelX Say what? Are you saying the father's life wasn't worth the asshole drunk going to jail for ten years? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Fucks wrong with you? With an attitude like that you're not even worth the dirt you stand on
@@XGreenSquirrelX He was drunk driving...
@@haveltherock69117 and?
Wait a second. So I got pulled over. Searched and ARRESTED for having fucking MUSHROOMS in my car. I was treated like a dirty fucking piece of trash. And this guy murders somebody and they just let him go. What the fuck am I seeing rn
Kamala Harris tried to send my friend to prison for longer than this guy. And all he was doing was growing weed in his attic. And had blank firing starter pistol like they use at a track meet. This was in California years ago.
@@casuallyunusual4169 american justice system showing its true colors.
No you werent lol
Kinda depends on the type of “mushrooms” you had.
@dookiefingers8436
You were there? No, you weren't.
Seeing Steph’s reaction absolutely breaks my heart..and for the ppl that think she was being fake seek help immediately she was clearly devastated after witnessing her father being murdered how would u react?? Some ppl have no hearts
Hell I reacted the same way two days ago watching my dog get brutally murdered by our other dog. Poor little pup never stood a chance against that put bull. My mom was a hell of a lady during that. That pit bull is heavy and strong asf and she got him limp strangling him. Luckily our other pit bull survived but Joey that cute little jack Russel died. He fought for about maybe 10 minutes. For 5 of those I had him in my hands. But it was a realization that the place I’m in is hell.
Except the father was not murdered
People like that accuse others of being fake about their reactions because they’re heartless themselves. It’s called projection. People who don’t deserve to live in society. They don’t deserve to be treated like people.
@@jhtsurvival Vehicular manslaughter IS murder.
@@jhtsurvival are you fucking kidding me?
WHY? They let this guy go home after he drives drunk, crashes his truck into someone else's vehicle, and kills someone? The poor family that he hit didn't deserve this! He should have went straight to jail!!! He also killed the family's dog in the crash ffs!
The coddling of these drunks mind boggling .
Coddling of internet "celebrities" is disgusting
He was cooperative. So they had no reason to abuse him. Ultimately that's how you get convictions though
You should not be a cop if you think it's appropriate to be anything but 100% professionally respectful to someone who is 100% cooperative, regardless of what they appear to have done.
This guy did something horrible, yes, but he never once resisted, screamed, assaulted, or otherwise did anything that warranted the use of force or forceful commands.
A guy is also more likely to confess if he's comfortable and feels the interactions with police are non-hostile.
@@billiamc1969 The internet celebrities are the victims here so what do you mean?
@@em.415 Doesn't change the fact that he's correct!
There should be a felony charge called "destroying an entire family's life".
Horrible thing happened here, I hope the family is feeling better.
While I understand the thought behind it, that's a really bad way to go. The law cannot discriminate who it is better to murder and who it is worse. What matters is if it was intentional, nothing else. Disparity of laws creates protected groups and minorities and leads to opression. After all, once we are all used to the fact one murder is better than the other, we will look as to why battery isn't. Or stealing. You can see where it goes wrong from there...
@@GalileusI wasnt being serious... I was just sharing my thoughts about how horrible the situation is. Of course a charge like that shouldn't exist lol
@@realtoken You never know on the internet, especially in comments. Glad my explanation was not needed, though :)
@@Galileus Isn't there different charges for killing a president vs an everyday citizen? Honest Question
@@GalileusWhat does that comment have to do with discrimination or any so-called protected group ?
i remember the moment i heard this on the news.. i couldn’t believe it, i was sobbing. will never forget his beautiful smiles and laughs in Steph’s videos.. im so sorry for the whole family. this video broke my heart. Rip John🤍 you’ll never be forgotten
I’m sorry.. you were “sobbing”??? You don’t even know the guy give me a break
@@joemazza2583 yes sobbing, and still cried as i watched this video. obviously you wouldn’t understand when i watched steph and her dad for YEARS and would specifically watch the videos where Steph’s dad appeared on. his death felt like i lost my own dad..
@@zahra-ld7br I’m sorry but that’s very sad. It’s the internet .. you should care about your own family not some stranger on UA-cam. This is the problem with today’s society.
@@joemazza2583 you don’t even know me give me a break. this is the problem with today’s society where people make assumptions and are pressed to see an empathetic person.
@@joemazza2583stranger on youtube? a father just lost his life you insensitive keyboard warrior. heaven forbid people care about situations that don’t necessarily involve them. maybe once your frontal lobe develops you’ll be more compassionate
Drunk driving is my biggest fear of happening to my family. It should not happen, ever.
He is intoxicated and obviously caused the accident, but asking someone who got hit in the head for a field sobriety test is ABSURD. They should be checked with a breathalyzer directly, that's what other countries do
TBI's and concussions affect the validity of SFSTs, so they ask those questions to help prevent them from getting suppressed in suppression hearings, likely what their lawyer's attempted to do. It's the burden of the prosecution to protect the validity of the tests during the court proceedings.
never, ever take the FSTs. Offer to take a breathalizer or blood test. FSTs are a joke.
I've never understood why the cops do those roadside sobriety tests in the US, as you say anywhere else in the world they just breathalise the person immediately then take them to the station for a blood test for official court records.
It's not like if you manage to pass the roadside sobriety test while drunk you're going to get away with drink driving, or if for some reason you fail even though you're sober you're going to be charged with drunk driving, so the roadside tests and the results are pretty much redundant.
Exactly what I thought. Absurd to make a person that had hit his head do that test.
@ats-3693 It's because not every DUI is alcohol related, and could be drug related. Everything has different indications.
According to the National Highway Transit Safety Authority (NHTSA), SFSTs are 91% accurate in determining intoxication.
Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, which is not an SFST but still part of the exercises, is 77% accurate by itself, without any other tests. So if someone is flagging positive for both, then there is a substantial likelihood that they are impaired.
Additionally, other countries do not have something similar to 4th amendment rights, or not to the same extent the US does. In order to get blood or breath samples one of two things are needed, consent or a warrant. This is why most states have something called implied consent, which dictates if you refuse to provide blood or breath samples your license will be suspended for a period of one year.
disgusting, all those charges should have somebody put in jail for life
And, to add insult to injury, he will be 37 years old when he gets out, so he will have plenty of time to rebuild his life, get married, have children, possibl grow old with someone, abd many other life milestones, while the family is sentenced to life without peace for the rest of their lives for what that monster did, and he refused to even hold himself accountable!😡😡
When hes released after 10 years or less he will kill again.
Didn't need sobriety tests to KNOW this drunk wasn't sober.
Quite alarming.
Literally disgusting.
They did a urine sample as they knew he was showing signs of being on drugs
The cops didn’t either
As long as they agree to the test it makes the case better when the footage is played for the jury so they can see how badly they are performing them.
You have to rule out concussion or other brain injuries as a result of the accident. You also have to consider factors such as medical history of the individual which the cops don't know this person's medical records. A defense attorney could create enough doubt in the prosecution's claims of intoxication if the police failed to test him.
@@St.JohnWort it's not your fault.
So he causes a crash that kills somebody and is allowed to go home and sleep in his own bed that night. Wow what a pathetic country
A proper justice system shouldn't make assumptions about something like this after only seeing the aftermath, no matter how "obvious" it looks. After a thorough investigation, he was caught, imprisoned, and can never legally drive again. I think that's a pretty good outcome.
Yes, it's unbelievable. Luckily my doctor daughter just returned from Arizona to Australia, She said that she felt unprotected given the erosion of women's rights.
@@Jesse-lv2yoNah.
Not really our justice system works in favor of your constitutional rights . So be happy you don't live in China
@@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cgrights?
Man, this one hit me hard. I lived in Stark County for 56 years before moving to S. Carolina. We weren't even here a year when my husband of nearly 35 year and I were hit head-on. My husband was killed along with the 24 year old man and his 3 year old daughter. It's a literal miracle that I survived. There was also a 14 month old found on the floor behind the driver's seat. He had only scrapes and bruises, also a miracle. No one in the car who hit us were restrained. The man was going 70 in a 55mph zone, we were going 55. His Eclipse looked like a twisted mess of metal. It's been 8 years and this video took me right back to that night. My prayers for the family.
Edited to add, it's repulsive to me that they let this guy OUT.
Edit to add: It was on this young man's social media that he used weed and drank. We wanted a tox screen done but we were told they don't do that with fatalities. It might not matter to them but my family and I would like to know if he was under the influence.
So sorry for your loss. We've all been touched by DWI death or injury in some way yet we still accept it in society. It should be viewed as serious as attempted murder because that's what it is every time you DWI. Everybody knows you become a deadly threat when you get behind the wheel drunk. its 2024 and DWI laws are still way too loose
I am sorry for your loss.
😭
It makes me want to scream for the unfairness of what happened to you and that man's innocent child . Instead, I will say a prayer for you and the little one that survived . God Bless you
Diana I'm very sorry for ur loss
Bruh, people with simple crimes often get longer sentences. 💀
They probably arrested someone else that night for possession of an ounce of marijuana and he got 20 years with no parole
@@NickTerry1 absolutely not.
@@B12-y3jtrashbag
@@jonathonaleman Yes trash bags are a thing that exist. Care to elaborate on that Jonathon?
What? Hardly nobody does real time anymore.
This breaks my heart. I found my father lying dead in the street and I lost it. I dropped to my knees and started crying and screaming. I went into shock. One police officer kept getting upset with me and telling me to calm down! I was so pissed 😤 I just lost my father in front of my eyes and you are telling me to calm down!?! Some officers need training on how to be empathetic. The ambulance workers had tears in their eyes as I was begging them to save him 😢 My heart hurts for this family having to endure this loss especially this way.
Dang they had a great relationship that’s rare. That’s sad. That sentence is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous and a spit in the face to the victims family.
True exactly not very many who among the cars when care could life
I had seen this bodycam a while ago , and I was so heartbroken for the girl in the vid, I had no clue it was him
are you drunk? wtf@@Fanx2011
@@abby2674 No not drunk anyting else nothing here -.- 😐
@@Fanx2011huh?
That cop saying "He's gotten in a little accident".... little bit of an understatement
that shit made me mad 🤦🏽♂️ his boss was clearly calling because she knew his drunk ass drove home drunk after his shift… shoudlve told the boss on the phone what had actually happened
These types of crimes are absolutely among the worst. Innocent families being taken at the hands of selfish individuals. Need to be slapping folks with 20+ years for this shit
I think it's organized crime who anyway night ridiculed drunk officer doesn't have has something else.
How is it the worst? Is it intentional like a murder?
@@joehatch1602 atleast a murder a good percentage of the time has a reason. not a good one but sometimes there is one.
hell sometimes its simple and is a disagreement between 2 people. this kind of instance in the video has no rhyme or reason. "its just like oh man fuck me i guess i didnt deserve to exist today"
How about LIFE…. You take a life the system then takes your life
@@joehatch1602Yeah he intentionally got behind the wheel of a car drunk.
Al he had to do was not that.
He knew the consequences of driving drunk and did it anyway.
That’s intentional af.
He knowingly put the public in danger
few of my co workers at MAGA got upto 14 DUIs and still driving around drunk. Where is the Justice?
I hate when drunk drivers claim they haven’t been drinking. Own up to it you pile of crap. Saying they hit you? This guys deserves street justice seeing as our own justice system let us down.
@@generichouse we need a crusade
Right?! Where’s Dexter
I agree!
My heart breaks for that young lady. I lost my Dad last year, but the circumstances she had to witness were so horrible. Hope she’s ok
I'm sorry you lost your dad.
The reason people take drinking and driving lightly is because the penalties aren’t that bad. If you un unalive someone for drinking and driving, you shouldn’t be able to bill out.
@@KayP32 I'll bet alcohol companies would have something to do with this.
And drinking is an accepted form of drug use
If you missed a rent you should be jailed for life.
Just say what it is, it's killed/murdered not "unalived". Stop saying stupid tic tok language.
@@Joey-gy5vj umm Sometimes channels don’t allow those words. Your comment will get deleted. Everybody knows why people use those words. Stop being annoyed by dumb shit.
The cop played the situation down completely after knowing the depth of the accident.
He just murdered someone and he’s drunk and he walks out of jail? What is this world coming to?
Right? I've never seen them send them home and go "we'll call you when the results come back." Regardless of BAC, the dude killed someone/nearly took out a whole family. Why is he allowed to go home?? He's still staggering around.
JD Vance’s state 🤦
@EthanLomas your mind has been rotted by political propaganda.
Literally irrelevant lol.
@@EthanLomas Oh shut up.
It doesn't feel good, but until proven otherwise everyone is presumed innocent and shouldn't be imprisoned without a trial proving their guilt. We wouldn't want a system where the cops act as judge and jury, as much as it sucks looking back with hindsight on these types of incidents. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternatives.
I just can’t believe how the officers are skirting around the issue and not telling him that he was driving in the wrong direction and his actions killed a father and a husband. They’re treating him with kid gloves. His actions killed someone. Where’s the compassion for the victim and his family??? He gets to go home, but his victim is gone forever. 🤯
It's so he stays compliant and doesn't fly off the handle. The battle belongs in court.
#@lauriem1017
Omg! Yes!!!!! Thank you!!!!! Wow! I'm like wow! No words! Because you said it the best!
Amen!!!!!! Best comment! Hit all the exact same questions I was screaming at my phone while watching this!
You are a wonderful person & please stay safe & god bless! Have a wonderful day my friend!
A good lawyer would set him free if they follow your advice 😂 shit my thoughts if he didn’t give that urine sample he could have fought that he was not good for those test and needed medical attention not to be tested! Cops played it as good as it gets!!!
They're on bodycam and any "aggressive" behaviour could be used in his favour. It's absolutely within everyone's interest that the police treat everyone with "kid gloves" because they have no extra recourse in court.
@@Keklmaololhehe It's lame to like your own comment.
10 years for taking someones life while drunk is so disrespectful to the family of the victim.
Imagine being as cold as one of these police officers. Inhumane levels of treatment for the victims.
Indeed, at least mild sociopathic tendencies, but I think they are closer to psychopaths.
I've always been a 100% law abiding citizen but have been unlawfully attacked, threatened, arrested, and jailed for absolutely NO rAs, NO PC, no crimes, no laws broken! Yet those criminal cops are still out there on the taxpayer payroll as cops.
Only 10 years? Wow this is so insulting to his family and friends 😢 they let this man and his family down 😢 I will never understand our justice system…. People got more time for selling drugs ….
Yeah it is, he can’t drive ever hopefully that’s in all states I’m not American so I don’t know the rules, but in America everything seems to be based on states
Liberals don't care about victims
@@Sofus-fu4ro that's because states are individual states.....usa is like the eu, a conglomerate. difference is, usa gets violllllllent when one tries to leave. Also, family is lucky they even got 10yrs. When I was 15 one of them took my best friend from us, he returned to mx and hasn't been found.
It's not "the justice system," it's our outdated "sentencing guidelines!" Every state has min/max sentences they can give for each individual crime, depending on said crime, misdemeanor, felony, etc. Unfortunately, these sentences have been on the books since the initial action became a crime. And for some that can go way back. Crimes and the ability to commit them have only gotten better, it's time the sentencing also gets better, and cracks down harder in this day and age. Everything changes it seems, except the punishments for serious criminal action.
@@shawndashno6022 Except in this case he took a plea deal so it didn’t have much to do with guidelines. If they hadn’t dropped several charges and gave him the max sentence on each one and ran them all consecutively he could’ve been in there a lot longer.