Math in school is indeed poor. It took me until grade twelve to finally find a math teacher which opened my eyes to the complexities of math, and how they intertwine with absolutely every aspect of our reality in ways so discreet, yet remarkable. Unfortunately, I am yet to meet another person who can spark such an interest in math as this man did in myself and others. Both this film and that experience have allowed me to see just how amazing math is; I hope everyone else can experience the same!
Of all the great hauntingly shot scenes in this film, this is one scene i think about the most. What Saul is saying is true, when one's mind is grasping one thing, its blocks everything and you see the thing your mind is grasping everywhere. Whether it will be a book, character, film, theme, or simple number. Its happened to me many times but i never wondered why till just recently.
Love this scene. Max is so convinced and believes he is on to something but finds it difficult to share this knowledge with his mentor. One person's scientific rigour is another persons numerology. After all, Max notes how Pythagoras built a cult around his ideas. The line between scientific rigour and numerology is thin.
Our minds are biased towards pattern recognition which often causes us to see patterns where none exist. We can combat this by applying the "scientific rigour" Saul speaks of, counting both the hits and the misses.
When I was in college getting a degree in physics I was convinced that the Mandelbrot Set was the key to how the universe works. I thought everything was tied into a fractal pattern described by a precise mathematical equation that one day human kind would discover. I had a theory that we would learn the secrets to everthing within my life. but.,,, the Feigenbaun constants don't work out properly, everthing is chaos as I had suspected it was.
man take acid i don't know how, i don't know why but the fractals you see are the same ones I later found about in math videos it's so strange, i hallucinated stuff i didnt know existed and while researching about it i found the mandelbrot set and other numeric patterns and somehow they are all related but i just dont have the knowledge to understand and pin exactly how but i swear it's somehow real, i just gave up on trying to understand it, it's been some months since the last time I tripped and I will always have that mystery of why acid was showing me that the fabric of reality is made up of things mathematicians have been studying for a while
@Patrick Batemansame, its helped me really grow, even if for a while i was convinced of some kind of geometric mathematical secret hidden in acid lol but still why did i see so many things i didnt know about before????? how can that knowledge be inside my head if it wasnt there before taking acid?
@Patrick Bateman its like the whole thing of vibrations, i didnt get it but figuratively until one time i experienced it, how sound and matter and everything vibrated in the same fashion liike it was all part of one same existence but i couldn't see it before, like all my atoms resonated on a certain way and it was a fraction of my heartbeat and my heartbeat was a fraction of how sound vibrated too and then light and sound where fractions of each other but in the end i could percieve how it all reduced to particles moving in space this was of course a trip and i thought like wow this was so interesting but whatever and then i read about how hinduism talks about these same stuff and such and then i got the whole thing about what "vibrations" meant for new age type people, who i usually make fun of or disregard as foolish, MLM sellers or cultists lol so idk why or how but eastern religion seem to have a lot in common with psychedelics... just like how it kinda aligns with some stuff in theoretical physics so in the end i became more open to experience and to maybe not disregard everything that seemed kind of mystical as just hippie stoner bullshit who knows? maybe acid is like when you open a videogame in debug mode and you can see the math behind the physics simulation? or maybe its an insight on how our brains make sense of the world bellow our conciousness, maybe we see the math inside of our minds, the math we can never see or experience normally also how did vedics know about vibration in sound and matter? if it was because of soma or other psychedelic drugs then it would mean that there was knowledge acquired by a process induced by drugs or that it was a coincidence, but IDK, it seems like a weirdly specific coincidence
@@MacetazzOpinaI took shrooms, I truly believe the fundamental forces of our universe are mathematical in nature! Like a computer code! Like a video game!
watched this movie for the first time today, getting 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941111609 tatooed on my back.
in my opinion the point of the movies is not about this guy that drifts into madness, he rather becomes enlightened and is seen by others as mad, his level of understanding is just too high
@MrMushroom123 no doubt this movie greatly exaggerates to direct role of a single number but think about the special constants in mathematics in our universe...pi, e, 1, 0, the golden ratio etc... they show up everywhere albeit sometimes indirectly
@ShemSonz if you add up one of every coin/note from £50 down to 1p you get £88.88. it probably goes up further as well but im not sure you get £500 pound notes or even £200s.
noone can understand the complete nature of universe.. we, as humans, are limited.. even the greatest minds are limited.. there is much arrogance in our existence.. who are we to discover something that we can't understand? my theory is that the nature itself is perfect.. we can't create anything perfect and that is why we can't understand it
Well technically infinity is more of a concept then a real number so a 1 followed by infinte 0s also would not be a real number as it is impossible to complete. So in short no, a 1 followed by any remarkably high number of 0s you want to chose yes, but not infinite 0s.
Most PEOPLE will say REQUIEM or BLACK SWAN.... and in certain POINT's, maybe..... understandably.... BUT LETS BE HONEST NOW......... ARONOFSKY"S best FILM was Pi......
It's funny how many ridiculous theories there are about this movie. They've seen one leaf, then they invent an entire forest off bullshit around that leaf and meanwhile ignore everything else they missed.
What school did you go to? It is correct "that itself is the pattern" but you can't find the next number in Pi with some division and stuff :p Pi is an irrational number -> no pattern
To me its a movie about a man thats try too hard to see the light (the truth) - about everything, so hard he forgets to see the beauty in the chaos.. The light may blind you Peace-
actually, beauty is represented perfectly by the golden ratio. relating to.. the fibonacci sequence and what not..with the spiral. Actually, its not beauty as it is more symmetry, that's why people say actors like morgan freeman or elizabeth hurley are especially beautiful. On a discovery channel program I saw once, researches tried to map out the golden ratio to physical ratio's on these actor's faces, and their faces were nearly perfectly proportional to that ratio.
never seen this movie but kind of went temporarely crazy with the pattern idea, its like you start working on something and always feel like you're getting close to something, but then its like pi, it neverends and its useless.
@DreamworldTV Many patterns have been discovered in pi through out history but as more and more of pi is examined and calculated, the more theories on patterns are debunked, as well as created.
@happykebap That's the same as the all-flawed God argument "You can't disprove his existence" If a mathematician wants to tell us there is a pattern, then show us the pattern? If we cannot find/understand this pattern, then it doesn't exist as far as math goes.
Max is precisely right there is a pattern to the universe. equation y(t) = a × ekt _ y(t) = value at time "t" a = value at the start k = rate of growth (when >0) or decay (when
Can you reply to me back about the solution in detail , i.e. graphical solution because I cannot picture it . What theoretical knowledge I need before I can understand it . Thanks
Plamen Filipov The easiest way to understand this formula is to bypass to the abstract , the formula is representative of a bicone eluding to max's analysis of the board and analogous of A cyclic model or Oscillating Universe.The role of the mathematical number is the dominant principle of the formula, that moves and organizes matter and provides it with shape.
How does this relate to the stock market? - Does it relate? - Some say that stock markets are of "Random Walk" nature - other say it's not. - What's your take on that, please?
Without success, real-life people have tried applying chaos theory to stock prices (see Peters "Chaos and Order in the Capital Markets"), and tried to find patterns in the Torah. However, people have successfully applied advanced mathematics and statistics to help them decide whether they want to buy or sell financial securities (see risk-neutral measure and time series econometrics).
Shouldn't there be a chord that is an infinitesimal away from passing through the center of a circle whose ratio is in proportion to the circumference such that can be expressed as a number with a discernable pattern? Thereby we could derive a pattern for the digits in pi accordingly? Go figure :/
my personal favorite performance by Mark Margolis, rip to a legend
This is one of Mark Margolis' most under rated yet fantastic work
RIP to one of the greats
RIP Mark Margolis. Incredible, underrated actor.
"this is insanity max"
"OR MAYBE IT'S GENIUS!"
Math in school is indeed poor. It took me until grade twelve to finally find a math teacher which opened my eyes to the complexities of math, and how they intertwine with absolutely every aspect of our reality in ways so discreet, yet remarkable. Unfortunately, I am yet to meet another person who can spark such an interest in math as this man did in myself and others. Both this film and that experience have allowed me to see just how amazing math is; I hope everyone else can experience the same!
How's your life now?
sOmE inFinItIeS R larger tHaN OtHeR INfiNitiEs
Best talk on selection bias and pseudoscience ever.
Extremely well written screenplay
Oh man Saul was truly one of the best supporting characters ever in a thriller film
Coincidental name...
@marilyn rogue Not sure what you're thinking of but I was making a Better Call Saul joke lol
@marilyn rogue No I'm interested, mind explaining? David of David and Goliath?
Of all the great hauntingly shot scenes in this film, this is one scene i think about the most. What Saul is saying is true, when one's mind is grasping one thing, its blocks everything and you see the thing your mind is grasping everywhere. Whether it will be a book, character, film, theme, or simple number. Its happened to me many times but i never wondered why till just recently.
Great scene! Mark Margolis should have won an Oscar for that movie.
This is when Max became Maxenberg
Lemmy: I'm a mathematician too! bla bla bla Torah, bla bla bla
Max: That's a fibonacci sequence.
Lemmy: fibowhat?
Max: *clusterheadache*
222, 222
1/137
of all time this is my favorite scene from a Hollywood idea/ movie
Great performance by Mark Margolis... love it.
BEST * MOVIE * EVER !!
Hands down
Love this scene. Max is so convinced and believes he is on to something but finds it difficult to share this knowledge with his mentor. One person's scientific rigour is another persons numerology. After all, Max notes how Pythagoras built a cult around his ideas. The line between scientific rigour and numerology is thin.
Yeah, I tried to make a video about it on my channel but got barely any views. If you skip to half way you'll find it.
Our minds are biased towards pattern recognition which often causes us to see patterns where none exist. We can combat this by applying the "scientific rigour" Saul speaks of, counting both the hits and the misses.
When I was in college getting a degree in physics I was convinced that the Mandelbrot Set was the key to how the universe works. I thought everything was tied into a fractal pattern described by a precise mathematical equation that one day human kind would discover. I had a theory that we would learn the secrets to everthing within my life. but.,,, the Feigenbaun constants don't work out properly, everthing is chaos as I had suspected it was.
man take acid
i don't know how, i don't know why but the fractals you see are the same ones I later found about in math videos
it's so strange, i hallucinated stuff i didnt know existed and while researching about it i found the mandelbrot set and other numeric patterns and somehow they are all related but i just dont have the knowledge to understand and pin exactly how
but i swear it's somehow real, i just gave up on trying to understand it, it's been some months since the last time I tripped and I will always have that mystery of why acid was showing me that the fabric of reality is made up of things mathematicians have been studying for a while
@Patrick Batemansame, its helped me really grow, even if for a while i was convinced of some kind of geometric mathematical secret hidden in acid lol
but still why did i see so many things i didnt know about before????? how can that knowledge be inside my head if it wasnt there before taking acid?
@Patrick Bateman its like the whole thing of vibrations, i didnt get it but figuratively
until one time i experienced it, how sound and matter and everything vibrated in the same fashion liike it was all part of one same existence but i couldn't see it before, like all my atoms resonated on a certain way and it was a fraction of my heartbeat and my heartbeat was a fraction of how sound vibrated too and then light and sound where fractions of each other but in the end i could percieve how it all reduced to particles moving in space
this was of course a trip and i thought like wow this was so interesting but whatever
and then i read about how hinduism talks about these same stuff and such
and then i got the whole thing about what "vibrations" meant for new age type people, who i usually make fun of or disregard as foolish, MLM sellers or cultists lol
so idk why or how but eastern religion seem to have a lot in common with psychedelics... just like how it kinda aligns with some stuff in theoretical physics
so in the end i became more open to experience and to maybe not disregard everything that seemed kind of mystical as just hippie stoner bullshit
who knows? maybe acid is like when you open a videogame in debug mode and you can see the math behind the physics simulation? or maybe its an insight on how our brains make sense of the world bellow our conciousness, maybe we see the math inside of our minds, the math we can never see or experience normally
also how did vedics know about vibration in sound and matter?
if it was because of soma or other psychedelic drugs then it would mean that there was knowledge acquired by a process induced by drugs or that it was a coincidence, but IDK, it seems like a weirdly specific coincidence
@@MacetazzOpinaI took shrooms, I truly believe the fundamental forces of our universe are mathematical in nature! Like a computer code! Like a video game!
When you work with math heavily, you do drift into madness.
YO THAT DUDE CALLED HIM A NUMEROLOGIST DAYYUUUUUU
masterpiece film.
I always press a random button in my computer expecting the truth of life to unveil in front of my eyes.
watched this movie for the first time today, getting 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941111609
tatooed on my back.
Pics or it didnt happen
Imagine the guy doing the tattoo gets one number wrong
1:29 that's a damn slow elevator
Hello its the 90s at that time Software , electrical systems were slow
Nah. It’s just 216 floors.
samples from this movie are used by both lost children of babylon and jedi mind tricks. damn thats deep
The possibilities in the game-play are endless...
i love this movie!!! it is genius
Surprisingly good movie.
It's tempting to think that there is some key action or piece of knowledge that will explaining everything in the cosmos.
Why on earth did he move to Mexico and break bad?
in my opinion the point of the movies is not about this guy that drifts into madness, he rather becomes enlightened and is seen by others as mad, his level of understanding is just too high
most sad that in our society being ignorant is considered normal
actually,the only thing preventing us from fully analysing a go game is available space & computation time..
Now that a computer beat the Go champion, who's in the right?
You missed the point and focused on literalism
Wow, Ron Paul is a great actor.
@elias12186
Number theory is the mathematical study of numbers.
You could call it "Scientific numerology"
@souflondon1 it's available on dvd at amazon. if you're looking for a free download, not sure where you would find it.
Hahaha, the last sentence of the fragment. good one
Holy shit!! That is the guy from [Br]eaking [Ba]d!! ;O
wow, that scene his genius in its own right!
This sums up the atrocity of a film "The Number 23" that Jim Carey starred in lol!
Very good film. That's my opinion. And it inspired me to learn math more. Math in school is just poor.
@MrMushroom123 no doubt this movie greatly exaggerates to direct role of a single number but think about the special constants in mathematics in our universe...pi, e, 1, 0, the golden ratio etc... they show up everywhere albeit sometimes indirectly
mr shikkidance, i told you. you're my first priority
@ShemSonz if you add up one of every coin/note from £50 down to 1p you get £88.88. it probably goes up further as well but im not sure you get £500 pound notes or even £200s.
Which movie is this from ?
Ouch, that "numerologist" remark cut deep...
I sol-ved pi by drinking pi-ne sol.
Awesome movie.
superb movie
I like how some guy gave you thumbs up for asking a question.
thanks upload . i like this moive so much.🙃
fantastic movie
There is always a pattern...
lol I had 216 results when I typed in "pi patterns"
Last chance to look at me hector
216 ding ding dings
This is a good film
there won't be proper order, how do you explain the Heisenberg princibel of uncertainty.
look at me hector.
I'm a fan of the movie , but this is just genius hahaha
Alpha Zero knows the pattern of GO
from wikipedia:
-AlphaZero was published in the journal Science on 7 December 2018;
- Pi is a 1998 American conceptual psychological thriller film.
noone can understand the complete nature of universe.. we, as humans, are limited.. even the greatest minds are limited.. there is much arrogance in our existence.. who are we to discover something that we can't understand? my theory is that the nature itself is perfect.. we can't create anything perfect and that is why we can't understand it
Soo good
Well technically infinity is more of a concept then a real number so a 1 followed by infinte 0s also would not be a real number as it is impossible to complete.
So in short no, a 1 followed by any remarkably high number of 0s you want to chose yes, but not infinite 0s.
Patterns for patterns, eternity for eternity. The beggining and the end. xD it's all fucking related.
Most PEOPLE will say REQUIEM or BLACK SWAN....
and in certain POINT's, maybe..... understandably....
BUT LETS BE HONEST NOW.........
ARONOFSKY"S best FILM was Pi......
Beauty and intelligence are only in the mind/society of the schema beholding it.
what's the name of this movie ?
It's funny how many ridiculous theories there are about this movie. They've seen one leaf, then they invent an entire forest off bullshit around that leaf and meanwhile ignore everything else they missed.
@ShemSonz - Thoughtful comment Shem.
Movie has aged well
His statement is correct: Alphago.
There is a pattern in everything!!
If all numbers can be found within pi does that mean you can find a 1 with infinite 0s after it? :O
Listen to Sol, he knows best!
What school did you go to? It is correct "that itself is the pattern" but you can't find the next number in Pi with some division and stuff :p
Pi is an irrational number -> no pattern
Good movie
To me its a movie about a man thats try too hard to see the light (the truth) - about everything, so hard he forgets to see the beauty in the chaos..
The light may blind you
Peace-
actually, beauty is represented perfectly by the golden ratio. relating to.. the fibonacci sequence and what not..with the spiral.
Actually, its not beauty as it is more symmetry, that's why people say actors like morgan freeman or elizabeth hurley are especially beautiful. On a discovery channel program I saw once, researches tried to map out the golden ratio to physical ratio's on these actor's faces, and their faces were nearly perfectly proportional to that ratio.
People say Morgan Freeman is beautiful?
@@Mopark25 Have you ever heard him speak?
never seen this movie but kind of went temporarely crazy with the pattern idea, its like you start working on something and always feel like you're getting close to something, but then its like pi, it neverends and its useless.
@DreamworldTV Many patterns have been discovered in pi through out history but as more and more of pi is examined and calculated, the more theories on patterns are debunked, as well as created.
Jedi Mind baby
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@janporra he drilled his brain out to remove knowing what the pattern in pi was, so he could be at peace again.
@happykebap That's the same as the all-flawed God argument "You can't disprove his existence"
If a mathematician wants to tell us there is a pattern, then show us the pattern? If we cannot find/understand this pattern, then it doesn't exist as far as math goes.
Max is precisely right there is a pattern to the universe.
equation y(t) = a × ekt _ y(t) = value at time "t"
a = value at the start
k = rate of growth (when >0) or decay (when
Can you reply to me back about the solution in detail , i.e. graphical solution because I cannot picture it . What theoretical knowledge I need before I can understand it
. Thanks
Plamen Filipov
The easiest way to understand this formula is to bypass to the abstract , the formula is representative of a bicone eluding to max's analysis of the board and analogous of A cyclic model or Oscillating Universe.The role of the mathematical number is the dominant principle of the formula, that moves and organizes matter and provides it with shape.
How does this relate to the stock market? - Does it relate? - Some say that stock markets are of "Random Walk" nature - other say it's not. - What's your take on that, please?
This is insanity man!
P vs NP.... Go is an NP complete problem
And for the love of God i hope no one ever finds this number ever.
Without success, real-life people have tried applying chaos theory to stock prices (see Peters "Chaos and Order in the Capital Markets"), and tried to find patterns in the Torah.
However, people have successfully applied advanced mathematics and statistics to help them decide whether they want to buy or sell financial securities (see risk-neutral measure and time series econometrics).
Ace Ventura. Jedi Mind etc.
There's no pattern behind go, or at least none that is computable with our current means
Me>playing cs:go
If there's a pattern The Singularity will find it
Shouldn't there be a chord that is an infinitesimal away from passing through the center of a circle whose ratio is in proportion to the circumference such that can be expressed as a number with a discernable pattern? Thereby we could derive a pattern for the digits in pi accordingly? Go figure :/
your phone number, your date of birth appears correctly at least once in the Pi secuence
strong polish accent
LUMINOUS WHAT IS THE PATTERN ????
reminds me of the number 23
@MrMushroom123
So, is that the final proof of mathematics? Insanity!
Go has been automated.
I like how some airhead gave you a thumbs down for stating facts.