@@yassandfats Well, it turns out that drag racing is a bit more than stats on a sheet of paper. We built a carburated bottle-rocket mustang that ran 8.20's in the Quarter-mile @ 160ish mph back in the late 90's for $12,500. Made that back in 6 weeks on the street.... The kids today are running 6's on the street with the big twin-turbo smallblock cars.
@@jomamma1750We use to call it dyno racing. lol The best I did was a 10.26 @ 135 in a 90 coupe. Still EFI though. Probably could have got a 9 at that speed. With a better suspension. It just had the old Southside lift bars, with an airbag. I only put about 5K in that car. It was literally my daily driver. The only car I owned. Still have it actually. Fun times. When people actually built cars.
@@91GT347 Southside bars were all you needed. Trick was to weld the axle tubes to the center section. Those things would walk around all over the place and you'd get real squirrely with any more power than where you were. Locked in tight, that setup was good into the low 8's. We used a 427 stroker henry small block, dart sr heads and a 2-stage 400 shot. It worked. Everybody saw the suspension and thought "That's just a low 10/high 9 car, I got this" They couldn't wait to throw up a grand or 2 on a run....... Hehehehe
The Beamer is running a large aftermarket single-turbo. The turbo lag is going to be insane compared to stock twin-turbos. And if you spool it before launch, (since it's a large single-turbo) you're going to have to do so at a higher rpm than with the stock TT setup resulting in poor traction if done wrong.
nah he had the rocking shift between 3 and 4 that is common if you aren't fully on gas. Most likely because it was the first start where he lost traction in a big way, made up for it between 2-3 and didn't gas enough from there on out of fear.
Same here, no matter the position of throttle, just nail it, and you have instant torque, all throughout the RPM range. Don't get me wrong, once they spool up, turbos are awesome, but can you catch up?
They definitely don't have to be 4 wheel drive. Dragsters, and funny cars are rear wheel drive, and do 300 miles an hour in the quarter mile. You should react to the NHRA Drags.
The reason the mustang lost the rolling race is purely to transmission. That's a six speed manual versus a seven or eight speed dual clutch . She'll have tighter gearing in the automatic, especially from fourth gear on which in the mustang is 1:1. Surprisingly, the mustang put the power down really well .
wait til you see the GTD at the Nurburgring.. damn the mustang comes in every package you can imagine.. love the fact that FORD makes a sports car for everyone based on affordability..
We have rer wheel drive drag cars with 11,000 horsepower that manage zero to 337 mph in less than four seconds. We have been getting just mad numbers in acceleration runs with rear wheel drive for at least seventy- five years. It can be done.
This is the difference between a fully built factory car (mustang) vs a sports car with just more power. Suspension tuning for the power is important. Tires are important everything needs to work together.
i have a 2014 mustang GT. no mods, and i love it. i have to be careful on the road because the pony wants to run. it is very easy to end up going to fast on the highways.
When you mentioned two wheel drive and four wheel drive .... and said four wheel drive in needed. Four wheel drive is not used in supercars. All wheel drive is used in super cars. With TRUE four wheel drive the axles lock/the differentials lock, and from one wheel to the other it's like a solid axle. When making turns on roads and other hard high traction surfaces that tears apart four wheel drive. In any turn or curve each tire takes a different path of different length. Each axle has to be able to rotate/spin at different speeds to match the turn. The computers on AWD vehicles sense tire spin or slip and shift traction to different wheels/tires. In a true 4WD system each front tire always, when in 4WD, rotates at the exact same speed as the other, even if you're 'hanging a tire.' Same with the rear. Many people think that AWD is the same as 4WD. They are wrong.
The Mustang is a muscle car, which is basically set up to do runs exactly like this. It's hard to beat in a straight line. The BMW, however, is tuned for handling and would eat the mustang every time on a twisty road. It's not that the mustang is bad in the corners, but it's not as well balanced as the BMW.
I’m a “gear-head” from Southern California who’s owned many muscle cars, primarily modified 1960’s and 1970’s modified Chevelles Camaros and Mustangs. Love the sound of those V8’s, BUT I.M.O. my all time favorite sounding engine is THE LAMBORGHINI V12, without question! The second runner up is the multi carbureted Colombo V12 from the 1960’s Ferrari’s!!! LOVE MY SMALL BLOCK CHEVYS V8’s with a lumpy camshaft, Pete Jackson Noisy Gear Drive, headers and two-chamber FlowMaster Mufflers!!!
Crazy to think the Mustang is also heavier than the BMW to boot. The turbo lag on that big turbo is the killer here, twin turbo's typically means one small and one big turbo, one for the low end and the bigger one for top end. The lag you get is from the lack of the small turbo helping spool up that larger turbo in the low rpms. Chances are however, high speed pulls by come from the BMW once that Large turbo starts spooling up. Fun to watch. Having a dealers license though, I can sell Mustangs all day long regardless of how old they are, BMW's however, after they are 65 years old, no one wants them as they get costly to service unlike the Mustang. Not saying I don't like the BMW's, but as a money maker in the car business, they tend to be money pits in 5 to 8 years once they get some mileage put on them and start needing repairs.
l had a 2003 ford lighting ,,l never lost to an M3,,it was the meanest ford truck you would ever drive and it handled like a sports car and you could actually go to home depot load it up with what ever and use it for a pickup truck,the most versatile vehicle l ever owned.
A few years ago I had a 100year anniversary Challenger with a 345ci Hemi. I was living in the desert. Miles of straight flat roads with nowhere for cops to hide. I was smoking BMW’s of different models.
You think modern Mustang owners do either? You need an engineering degree to tune them. It's not like the old days where you could slap headers and a bigger carb on it and go.
I've noticed that British drivers (and front passengers) tend to sit very upright compared to Americans. Here, most of us sit in a reclined position; the only drivers who sit that upright in the US are little old ladies. LOL
My M3 was not a competition and my Mustang was a GT. Neither was modified like these two cars were. Mine were entirely factory. The Mustang was fun and great in a straight line. The BMW was better in the turns by a wide margin. The Mustang didn't stop as well as the BMW. The Mustang sounded much better and received much more attention. I also thought the Mustang had better road feel and steering feedback. The BMW felt a bit muted. Both were great cars to drive in their own way. I have a 2008 135i that I bought brand new, and to be honest, I keep it because I like it better than either of these cars as a daily driver and for some stop light to stop light fun. There are many, many fast cars here in the USA, and many of them aren't even sports cars. Any garden variety of 3.5L EcoBoost Ford F-150 pickup can get to 60 miles per hour in 5 seconds or less from the factory. That's not bad for a full size anything, let alone a full size pickup truck with large wheels and high ground clearance.
In the states we have the F150 single cab 4x4 with the 5.0 liter that you can add a factory supercharger and in the end have a factory warranty and it will smoke both cars !
I have a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 6.2L with 420 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque, stock. I want to at least put a small turbo in it. But my wife said no. She knows that if I start there, I won't stop there. Her words, if you're going to start messing with that truck, you have to buy a Denali first, so we still have something to pull our travel trailer with. She doesn't play fair!
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The problem I have with this particular matchup is that they went with the best M4 in the UK versus like a low tier, performance mustang... Try that against a gt500 Mustang.
@hotdog9262 your on drug's. Shelby will always spank it every time. 10 Speed Automatic will crush it. Manual Shelby in this video vs an Automatic Baby Men Whining 😂.
@@lincolnls0416 this is tuned cars.. but did you watch the video? the bmw walks the mustang once it have traction. this is also what happen in other tests on youtube with stock versions
@hotdog9262 need to go to your mommy's basement and play your video games kid. Manual Transmission is well slower in shifting. Compared to an Automatic transmissions. Common sense. That BMW never walked the Gt500 period in this video. Roll race Turbos already pumped up. Superchargers needs time for cooling down. They never let the Gt500 cool down its Supercharger. Put it against the 10 speed Automatic transmission. BMW will lose so bad it be crying home. Facts. Learn something I will teach you anytime. 30yrs working and building race car's. Helped John Force when he was with Ford.
That depends on the size of the turbochargers and how they car is tuned. Most turbocharged engines in stock vehicles now make most of their power from 1500 to 5000 RPMs. They make massive torque right off idle, with little or no lag. It's not like turbocharged cars from the 90s.
Yea american muscle when done right can beat anything the uk has to offer. Ive seen hyper and supercars lose to a tuned american car when done right. Sorry mates lol
I myself grew up around bmw as my mom has a 2018 M5, but most standard sports cars can outdo the M models let alone the cost of upkeep on a bmw, especially when you have certain models because their engines aren’t very reliable. Hence why they probably chose a modified version of the M3 and took off the crap tt and replaced it with a single turbo and internal engine upgrades. My buddy has a focus RS pushing around 700whp to all 4 wheels and it’ll dust any bmw, Mercedes, etc. After the car cost (44kUSD) plus upgrades (11-15k usd), it’ll smoke almost anything on the street. He beat a 2019 Bugatti in the 1/4 mile, but if the race was longer, the Bugatti would have won on the top end.
Did he say how big the turbo is in the M3? It’s seems to lag until the end of the powerband and when the boost catches up the tires turn loose. Seems like a temperamental beast to drive.
I myself grew up around bmw as my mom has a 2018 M5, but most standard sports cars can outdo the M models let alone the cost of upkeep on a bmw, especially when you have certain models because their engines aren’t very reliable. Hence why they probably chose a modified version of the M3 and took off the crap tt and replaced it with a single turbo and internal engine upgrades. My buddy has a focus RS pushing around 700whp to all 4 wheels and it’ll dust any bmw, Mercedes, etc. After the car cost (44kUSD) plus upgrades (11-15k usd), it’ll smoke almost anything on the street. He beat a 2019 Bugatti in the 1/4 mile, but if the race was longer, the Bugatti would have won on the top end. Also, the bmw should have boosted, meaning built up boost before launch
my buddy's dad in high school co-owned a auto performance shop and rented out Route 66 drag strip so we could race our cars. I'll never forget the look on his dad's face when he let him take his Chevy Impala down the strip and he blew the motor up. 1200hp with a 150 shot of NOS.
I’m from Los Angeles and grew up buying and selling American muscle cars, while in high school in the late 1990’s. Sooo many cars went through my hands, very cheap too! Though I’ve owned BMW and MBZ too and they’re great cars which I love just as much!! M3 rocks! All M series BMW’s are kick @ss incredible cars!! I’m a car guy, I love them all!
the reason why they run smaller turbos is response time. a large single turbo produces more overall power...but is slow to spool up giving it low end lag.
I have friend with an M3. When I got my Cobra, and that's what this car is. It physically looks like a Mustang but it is totally different manufacture. I took him for a ride in it and he told me then, "I don't want to race you!" The car sits lower than a Corvette!! I run Hellcats without issues! As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
I learned to drive a 4-speed stick on my Grandmother's '74 Mustang. At 18 I bought my first car, a used '78 Mustang. Traded the 4 cylinder '78 on a brand new '83 4 bbl 5-speed 302 Boss Mustang which I raced at Sears Point (Sonoma) CA. Take a wild ass guess what my favorite car is.
If you are European... you have to be mad to chose BMW over Mustang. There are so many BMW's that it makes you vomit. Its very refreshing seeing Mustangs. Also it looks miles better
Here in the US mustangs are everywhere id rather have a gtr or m3 just because mustangs, vettes, camaros, and chargers are in every corner every the poorest of ppl have them i hate looking at them now.
You can't do a rolling race by what gear your in. The cars ar geared differently. Your rpms could be optimized while mine are slugging along (below the power band). And the M3 loses because it's butt ugly
I always thought BMW M series & Audi S series were the European equivalent of our muscle cars. Need 4 seats but still want speed & fun. My mother has always driven Mustangs since late ‘80’s. She just got the newest release convertible with active exhaust. It’s giggle inducing. My favorite was her 2011 California Special the first modern Stang with 400 hp.
Mustang 6 speed Manual is an awesome car and I would personally choose it over any DCT/Automatic, but you can't beat a DCT transmission when it comes to shifting gears fast.
IT turned out exactly as I figured once they gave the specs. The Mustang with the V 8 6 speed started pulling away when he was hitting 5th and , and he said he got a bad start the one he lost. The V 6 Automatic is lower geared in 3rd and 4 than the mustang is, and they were standing on it in that gear and you hear the M 3 just reaching the turbo in both gears when he punched it, and 3rd at 50 wanted to break the tires loose. The Mustang in 3rd and 4th was not as high in the RPM range with the V 8, so it lagged getting to the boost... But overall, decent races...
Supercharger starts to lose power due to the heat after about 3-5 pulls back to back as you can see from the each pass they did. The M3 continued to creep closer and closer with each pass until it just smoked the Mustang.
He had to keep racing so he could win one! The Mustang was heavier, and the BMW was automatic which shifts faster than a manual shift! Back in the late 60's I was racing a my Z28 Chevy 4 speed manual shift against an automatic Z28! I had him off the line but about halfway through the race, he went ahead and stay because of the automatic!
I'm here in the states and me and my friend work for Ford for 30yrs his anniversary gift to him self was a slightly used GT500 25k mi full carbon wheels and interior, same color as the one in your video, the sound in real life is so ridiculous. He saved up over 15yrs to buy it. He cashed it out. Then a week later he ordered his new performance parts he has 900hp already 😂😂😂I told him my gift to myself is either a Lamborghini Huracan or a C8 ZO6 Vette😂
Only issue I have here is that an automatic transmission is such an advantage now a days to anybody driving a manual except for the best of the best drivers who specialize in the car or at least have had a couple of years driving the particular car knowing its ins and outs. I will say this though even a pro driver in the mustang would have a hard time making up the time this guy lost in a rolling start. Thats the M3s superpower.
The problem is not power its the turbo lag its low but once it gets into high boost the power goes crazy and lights up the tire loosing traction if it had better antilag system it would be more manageable
According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), the Chevrolet Camaro, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger, and Ford Mustang are among the vehicles with the highest driver death rates. The IIHS suggests that muscle cars are driven more aggressively than other vehicles, which leads to more deadly crashes.
There is a new "Mustang" coming out next year. I put it in quotes because it is more of a supercar than a muscle car. It really only shares the basic shape of the regular Mustang. The whole car has been re-engineered for GT3 racing type performance on the street. Designed for speed and corners. Check out the Mustang GTD. I believe it was at Goodwood this year. You can only buy one if Invited and then scrutinized and approved by Ford. 300k USD (base) 0-60 MPH under 4s 815 HP Screaming 7600 rpm redline Carbon Fiber everything.
We have pickup trucks here in the US that would destroy that m3 in a drag race and then you could turn around and tow a trailer 800 miles with it.
yup lol
Yes we do lol
Damn right🤘
They're doing some pretty nasty stuff on diesel pickups now too. I've seen them beat superbikes at the track, me included.
Some of the 4x4 f150s out there are just insane fast now.
The BMW had more power, less weight and an automatic trans and STILL got smoked. Ouch.
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@@yassandfats Well, it turns out that drag racing is a bit more than stats on a sheet of paper. We built a carburated bottle-rocket mustang that ran 8.20's in the Quarter-mile @ 160ish mph back in the late 90's for $12,500. Made that back in 6 weeks on the street....
The kids today are running 6's on the street with the big twin-turbo smallblock cars.
@@jomamma1750We use to call it dyno racing. lol The best I did was a 10.26 @ 135 in a 90 coupe. Still EFI though. Probably could have got a 9 at that speed. With a better suspension. It just had the old Southside lift bars, with an airbag. I only put about 5K in that car. It was literally my daily driver. The only car I owned. Still have it actually. Fun times. When people actually built cars.
@@91GT347 Southside bars were all you needed. Trick was to weld the axle tubes to the center section. Those things would walk around all over the place and you'd get real squirrely with any more power than where you were. Locked in tight, that setup was good into the low 8's. We used a 427 stroker henry small block, dart sr heads and a 2-stage 400 shot. It worked. Everybody saw the suspension and thought "That's just a low 10/high 9 car, I got this" They couldn't wait to throw up a grand or 2 on a run.......
Hehehehe
The Beamer is running a large aftermarket single-turbo. The turbo lag is going to be insane compared to stock twin-turbos. And if you spool it before launch, (since it's a large single-turbo) you're going to have to do so at a higher rpm than with the stock TT setup resulting in poor traction if done wrong.
The Mustang most likely started to suffer from heat soak(which robs alot of power) after a few runs, Its a normal downside of a supercharger.
Hmmmm....never had that issue with my Toyota Supercharger.
@@TrulyUnfortunate Duh , fermented rice burns cooler. Every big muffler guy knows that.
@@srt8rocketship241 cooked that patty picker..
I've never heard of "heat soak". But it sounds the same as a heatstroke for people lol
nah he had the rocking shift between 3 and 4 that is common if you aren't fully on gas. Most likely because it was the first start where he lost traction in a big way, made up for it between 2-3 and didn't gas enough from there on out of fear.
The mustang is faster with the automatic transmission. The manual is more fun but the automatic transmission is better in a drag race
With a modern automatic. A while back when they were stuck on 4-speed automatics for many decades, the manual was faster.
That mustang engine just looks so good.
Wait.....he's talking like turbo lag is a good thing when it's certainly not!!
It's the main reason I prefer the Super Charger over the Turbo.
Same here, no matter the position of throttle, just nail it, and you have instant torque, all throughout the RPM range. Don't get me wrong, once they spool up, turbos are awesome, but can you catch up?
Please correct me if I’m wrong. Super chargers are bottom end boost. Turbos are top end boost.
@@jessoliver2955 Superchargers don't have to spool. It's instant power, like a built NA engine.
@@jessoliver2955 correct
They definitely don't have to be 4 wheel drive. Dragsters, and funny cars are rear wheel drive, and do 300 miles an hour in the quarter mile. You should react to the NHRA Drags.
They are close to 340mph in 1000 feet today.
Nothing on planet earth compares to the NHRA Drags. It shakes your soul
They’re just a tick below 300 mph in the 1/8 mile
@@jackgtx440Mike Salinas actually became the first driver to hit 300 mph by the 1/8 mile last year.
@@darkjedi74 that’s right. Forgot about that.
My dad always had a mustang in the garage, being restored.
Love the horse!!
FORD F150 Raptor R .. A 720 HP Super Truck ! 0 - 60 mph in 3.6 sec .
And it's an off road monster...
What's the Shelby trucks 0 to 60?
Who cares?
Useless in Europe
@@KC-bv9kf What does Europe provide in similiar class stock with those numbers? Exactly.
@@KC-bv9kf I was just wondering about it and you chimed in. Thanks for your smart ass comment. Eurotrash
@@KC-bv9kfwe not talking abt Europe brother
I had a Mustang GT 5.0 years ago, and it was glorious! It’s a fantastic car with an even better sound!
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@@tecumseh4095your mom called and wants her Hyundai back to go shopping
What's crazy is that the Mustang didn't even have the 10 speed auto transmission. Ford's are WILD with a 5.0 and a 10 speed.
The reason the mustang lost the rolling race is purely to transmission.
That's a six speed manual versus a seven or eight speed dual clutch . She'll have tighter gearing in the automatic, especially from fourth gear on which in the mustang is 1:1.
Surprisingly, the mustang put the power down really well .
wait til you see the GTD at the Nurburgring..
damn the mustang comes in every package you can imagine..
love the fact that FORD makes a sports car for everyone based on affordability..
We have rer wheel drive drag cars with 11,000 horsepower that manage zero to 337 mph in less than four seconds. We have been getting just mad numbers in acceleration runs with rear wheel drive for at least seventy- five years. It can be done.
This is the difference between a fully built factory car (mustang) vs a sports car with just more power. Suspension tuning for the power is important. Tires are important everything needs to work together.
American Muscle baby! Gotta love it.
NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. REAR WHEAL DRIVE DRAGSTERS 11,000 HP.
truth
i have a 2014 mustang GT. no mods, and i love it. i have to be careful on the road because the pony wants to run. it is very easy to end up going to fast on the highways.
I love living in America, I collect mustangs and broncos. It’s nice my favorite vehicles are so accessible and modifiable.
When you mentioned two wheel drive and four wheel drive .... and said four wheel drive in needed. Four wheel drive is not used in supercars. All wheel drive is used in super cars. With TRUE four wheel drive the axles lock/the differentials lock, and from one wheel to the other it's like a solid axle. When making turns on roads and other hard high traction surfaces that tears apart four wheel drive. In any turn or curve each tire takes a different path of different length. Each axle has to be able to rotate/spin at different speeds to match the turn. The computers on AWD vehicles sense tire spin or slip and shift traction to different wheels/tires. In a true 4WD system each front tire always, when in 4WD, rotates at the exact same speed as the other, even if you're 'hanging a tire.' Same with the rear.
Many people think that AWD is the same as 4WD. They are wrong.
The Mustang is a muscle car, which is basically set up to do runs exactly like this. It's hard to beat in a straight line. The BMW, however, is tuned for handling and would eat the mustang every time on a twisty road. It's not that the mustang is bad in the corners, but it's not as well balanced as the BMW.
I do appreciate you two loving our American vehicles, and your girl needs to reconsider her choice of cars. Hahaha!!!
I’m a “gear-head” from Southern California who’s owned many muscle cars, primarily modified 1960’s and 1970’s modified Chevelles Camaros and Mustangs. Love the sound of those V8’s, BUT I.M.O. my all time favorite sounding engine is THE LAMBORGHINI V12, without question! The second runner up is the multi carbureted Colombo V12 from the 1960’s Ferrari’s!!! LOVE MY SMALL BLOCK CHEVYS V8’s with a lumpy camshaft, Pete Jackson Noisy Gear Drive, headers and two-chamber FlowMaster Mufflers!!!
Crazy to think the Mustang is also heavier than the BMW to boot. The turbo lag on that big turbo is the killer here, twin turbo's typically means one small and one big turbo, one for the low end and the bigger one for top end. The lag you get is from the lack of the small turbo helping spool up that larger turbo in the low rpms. Chances are however, high speed pulls by come from the BMW once that Large turbo starts spooling up. Fun to watch. Having a dealers license though, I can sell Mustangs all day long regardless of how old they are, BMW's however, after they are 65 years old, no one wants them as they get costly to service unlike the Mustang. Not saying I don't like the BMW's, but as a money maker in the car business, they tend to be money pits in 5 to 8 years once they get some mileage put on them and start needing repairs.
The stang is supercharged. It loses hp. If you run repeatedly that's why.
That’s crazy cuz I think the bwm looks boring the mustang is mean looking
If there is one thing American cars are made for better than anyone is going fast in a straight
Modern American cars also turn very well.
l had a 2003 ford lighting ,,l never lost to an M3,,it was the meanest ford truck you would ever drive and it handled like a sports car and you could actually go to home depot
load it up with what ever and use it for a pickup truck,the most versatile vehicle l ever owned.
We are also not told the gear ratio in the rear differential. Lower gears win drag races, higher gears win rolling races.
A few years ago I had a 100year anniversary Challenger with a 345ci Hemi. I was living in the desert. Miles of straight flat roads with nowhere for cops to hide. I was smoking BMW’s of different models.
100?
Gonna say that most BMW owners don't wrench on their own cars.
You think modern Mustang owners do either? You need an engineering degree to tune them. It's not like the old days where you could slap headers and a bigger carb on it and go.
@@markh.7650 same with this Challenger. I'm so computer illiterate but I give it my best. Taking it to the tuner is $$$.
I've noticed that British drivers (and front passengers) tend to sit very upright compared to Americans. Here, most of us sit in a reclined position; the only drivers who sit that upright in the US are little old ladies. LOL
The linear horsepower of the V8 just seems to be the right set up.
My M3 was not a competition and my Mustang was a GT. Neither was modified like these two cars were. Mine were entirely factory. The Mustang was fun and great in a straight line. The BMW was better in the turns by a wide margin. The Mustang didn't stop as well as the BMW. The Mustang sounded much better and received much more attention. I also thought the Mustang had better road feel and steering feedback. The BMW felt a bit muted. Both were great cars to drive in their own way. I have a 2008 135i that I bought brand new, and to be honest, I keep it because I like it better than either of these cars as a daily driver and for some stop light to stop light fun. There are many, many fast cars here in the USA, and many of them aren't even sports cars. Any garden variety of 3.5L EcoBoost Ford F-150 pickup can get to 60 miles per hour in 5 seconds or less from the factory. That's not bad for a full size anything, let alone a full size pickup truck with large wheels and high ground clearance.
Around where I live 950 HP is nice but no where near the big boy lol so many 1200+cars
As a BMW fan, I can't deny how great American V8s are. Pushrod LS and LT engines, cams, headers, and exhausts.... the sound of my people!
Mustangs with the 5.0 have a very unique sound. All the way back to the early S197 body (2005-2014).
All the way back to 64
Had a Cougar with a 5.0 302 supercharged. It purred like a kitten.
My 1967 Camaro drag car does a 5.19 second quarter mile at 267 miles per hour. I have 4,500 horsepower on nitro methane fuel.
LOL No you don't.
In the states we have the F150 single cab 4x4 with the 5.0 liter that you can add a factory supercharger and in the end have a factory warranty and it will smoke both cars !
Check out the Gymkhana series with Ken Block and Travis Pastrana to see some top tier driving
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Or the Hoonicorn Mustang drag race anyone series. Especially the second season with 14yo Lia Block driving.
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I’m surprised they didn’t heat up the tires before lining up.
I have a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 6.2L with 420 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque, stock. I want to at least put a small turbo in it. But my wife said no. She knows that if I start there, I won't stop there. Her words, if you're going to start messing with that truck, you have to buy a Denali first, so we still have something to pull our travel trailer with. She doesn't play fair!
The beach boys lil duce coupe: You don't know what I got (you don't know what I got)
Little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
Well, I'm not bragging babe, so don't put me down (deuce coupe)
But I've got the fastest set of wheels in town (deuce coupe)
When something comes up to me, he don't even try (deuce coupe)
'Cause if I had a set of wings, man I know she could fly
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)
Just a little deuce coupe with a flathead mill (deuce coupe)
But she'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standing still (deuce coupe)
She's ported and relieved, and she's stroked and bored
She'll do a hundred and forty with the top end floored
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)
She's got a competition clutch with the four on the floor
And she purrs like a kitten 'til the lake pipes roar
And if that ain't enough to make you flip your lid
There's one more thing, I got the pink slip, daddy
And coming off the line when the light turns green (deuce coupe)
Well, she blows them out of the water like you never seen (deuce coupe)
I get pushed out of shape, and it's hard to steer (deuce coupe)
When I get rubber in all four gears
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
(My little deuce coupe)
(You don't know what I got)
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
She's my little deuce coupe
You don't know what I got
American V8's even a lfat head
That Mustang sounds so good
The problem I have with this particular matchup is that they went with the best M4 in the UK versus like a low tier, performance mustang... Try that against a gt500 Mustang.
It's also not a "drag race" if it's taking 30 seconds to get to the finish.
And you can buy the Shelby Mustang from the dealership as is 😂
the bmw m3 is faster stock compared to the mustang. its just spins++ on the concrete here from 0
@hotdog9262 your on drug's. Shelby will always spank it every time. 10 Speed Automatic will crush it. Manual Shelby in this video vs an Automatic Baby
Men Whining 😂.
@@lincolnls0416 this is tuned cars.. but did you watch the video? the bmw walks the mustang once it have traction. this is also what happen in other tests on youtube with stock versions
@@lincolnls0416 2024 Mustang Dark Horse vs Lotus Emira, M2, Supra, Camaro, Challenger - Cammisa Ultimate Drag Race
@hotdog9262 need to go to your mommy's basement and play your video games kid. Manual Transmission is well slower in shifting. Compared to an Automatic transmissions. Common sense. That BMW never walked the Gt500 period in this video. Roll race Turbos already pumped up. Superchargers needs time for cooling down. They never let the Gt500 cool down its Supercharger. Put it against the 10 speed Automatic transmission. BMW will lose so bad it be crying home. Facts. Learn something I will teach you anytime. 30yrs working and building race car's. Helped John Force when he was with Ford.
I't really depends on the car if thats to much for a RWD. Cleatus Mcfarlands El'camino has like 2500 hp and it's RWD
Don't like to brag but I own a KIA Sorento lol.
I'm sure it'll come in handy for carrying the camera gear to record the drags.
KIA = Killed In Action 🤣
I own a 2.0 liter Nissan Sentra.
Korean cars 👎
Have You Seen Caitlin Clark?
What about a Hellcat Car Out Pacing a Helicopter in Texas?
Check out the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing! It's eating those alive! Cadillac CTS-V 3 is most likely doing the same lol
950 is rookie numbers for us drag scene
Shifting with my left hand would be so strange.
Turbocharger vs. Supercharger differences, too. Turbos really pull at higher RPM's.
That depends on the size of the turbochargers and how they car is tuned. Most turbocharged engines in stock vehicles now make most of their power from 1500 to 5000 RPMs. They make massive torque right off idle, with little or no lag. It's not like turbocharged cars from the 90s.
Excuses, excuses. Brits and Euros just understand the proper way to drag race. Here is the states we grow up doing it.
That’s why we use drag slicks
Yea american muscle when done right can beat anything the uk has to offer. Ive seen hyper and supercars lose to a tuned american car when done right. Sorry mates lol
Here in the states BMW's become major money pits as they age. So, they lose resale value at an alarming rate.
The really funny part is there are Ford F-150's prowling my streets that would destroy both of those cars on a quarter mile.
12:20 slicks, They're on street tires, the car is built for slicks.
I myself grew up around bmw as my mom has a 2018 M5, but most standard sports cars can outdo the M models let alone the cost of upkeep on a bmw, especially when you have certain models because their engines aren’t very reliable. Hence why they probably chose a modified version of the M3 and took off the crap tt and replaced it with a single turbo and internal engine upgrades.
My buddy has a focus RS pushing around 700whp to all 4 wheels and it’ll dust any bmw, Mercedes, etc. After the car cost (44kUSD) plus upgrades (11-15k usd), it’ll smoke almost anything on the street. He beat a 2019 Bugatti in the 1/4 mile, but if the race was longer, the Bugatti would have won on the top end.
If that mustang had the 10 speed auto box it would have eaten the 3 series even more.
Just taking a couple of seconds here to say how lucky this guy is. She is really stunning and she's not even trying. Beautiful smile!!!!!
the F'150's have the same engine as the mustang and 4WD, they absolutely destroy supercars when you do a few things to them.
Did he say how big the turbo is in the M3? It’s seems to lag until the end of the powerband and when the boost catches up the tires turn loose. Seems like a temperamental beast to drive.
That V8 torque gets em every time.
I myself grew up around bmw as my mom has a 2018 M5, but most standard sports cars can outdo the M models let alone the cost of upkeep on a bmw, especially when you have certain models because their engines aren’t very reliable. Hence why they probably chose a modified version of the M3 and took off the crap tt and replaced it with a single turbo and internal engine upgrades.
My buddy has a focus RS pushing around 700whp to all 4 wheels and it’ll dust any bmw, Mercedes, etc. After the car cost (44kUSD) plus upgrades (11-15k usd), it’ll smoke almost anything on the street. He beat a 2019 Bugatti in the 1/4 mile, but if the race was longer, the Bugatti would have won on the top end. Also, the bmw should have boosted, meaning built up boost before launch
my buddy's dad in high school co-owned a auto performance shop and rented out Route 66 drag strip so we could race our cars. I'll never forget the look on his dad's face when he let him take his Chevy Impala down the strip and he blew the motor up. 1200hp with a 150 shot of NOS.
That BMW still Looks ugly…They all look the same.
Same can be said about all mustangs from the past 10 years. ALL look the same
@@JCizzleSoCal cant say that about corvettes.
Teslas are the ugliest cars …they look like a messed up jetta that’s powered by coal
@@JCizzleSoCal The Mustang Looks and Sounds Better than it did 10years ago….so I don’t agree.
@@JCizzleSoCal Mustangs sound nice and look better than 10yrs ago
@@JCizzleSoCal Get your eyes checked, son.
What tires would be better for this you say? Simple, Mickey Thompson Drag Radials!
You should check out the copo Camaro
I’m from Los Angeles and grew up buying and selling American muscle cars, while in high school in the late 1990’s. Sooo many cars went through my hands, very cheap too! Though I’ve owned BMW and MBZ too and they’re great cars which I love just as much!! M3 rocks! All M series BMW’s are kick @ss incredible cars!! I’m a car guy, I love them all!
the reason why they run smaller turbos is response time. a large single turbo produces more overall power...but is slow to spool up giving it low end lag.
American muscle! We only do 3 things better.... bigger, better and faster! Sup, Fats and yass.. yup! I put Fatima first.
i was waiting for the hidden SUUPPPRAAAAA!!! to pass the mustang. LOL
moral of the story" bmw is still trash compared to mustang" lol
BMW= B reaking M y W allet
the bmw is faster. just not here on the concrete from 0
@@hotdog9262😂
That mustang can handle over 8,000 rpms. He was shifting early
@@mrbig7718 watch the video^^ bmw is walking.. as soon as grip is reached
Y'all should have a race with an American car and a British car. Now that would be fascinating.
I have friend with an M3. When I got my Cobra, and that's what this car is. It physically looks like a Mustang but it is totally different manufacture. I took him for a ride in it and he told me then, "I don't want to race you!"
The car sits lower than a Corvette!! I run Hellcats without issues!
As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
I learned to drive a 4-speed stick on my Grandmother's '74 Mustang. At 18 I bought my first car, a used '78 Mustang. Traded the 4 cylinder '78 on a brand new '83 4 bbl 5-speed 302 Boss Mustang which I raced at Sears Point (Sonoma) CA. Take a wild ass guess what my favorite car is.
Love my 2017 Mustang GT get so many kids wanting me to rev it makes my day 🙂👍🏾
If you are European... you have to be mad to chose BMW over Mustang. There are so many BMW's that it makes you vomit. Its very refreshing seeing Mustangs. Also it looks miles better
Here in the US mustangs are everywhere id rather have a gtr or m3 just because mustangs, vettes, camaros, and chargers are in every corner every the poorest of ppl have them i hate looking at them now.
You can't do a rolling race by what gear your in. The cars ar geared differently. Your rpms could be optimized while mine are slugging along (below the power band). And the M3 loses because it's butt ugly
I’m in the USA and have a dodge challenger scat pack and have upwards of 500 hp and it’s hard to keep the tiers from spinning all the time
These are levels of power that will overwhelm almost any street legal tire on a RWD car.
I always thought BMW M series & Audi S series were the European equivalent of our muscle cars. Need 4 seats but still want speed & fun.
My mother has always driven Mustangs since late ‘80’s. She just got the newest release convertible with active exhaust. It’s giggle inducing. My favorite was her 2011 California Special the first modern Stang with 400 hp.
Farmtruck will smoke any of these cars. Even the mustang 😂😂😂
Mustang 6 speed Manual is an awesome car and I would personally choose it over any DCT/Automatic, but you can't beat a DCT transmission when it comes to shifting gears fast.
IT turned out exactly as I figured once they gave the specs. The Mustang with the V 8 6 speed started pulling away when he was hitting 5th and , and he said he got a bad start the one he lost. The V 6 Automatic is lower geared in 3rd and 4 than the mustang is, and they were standing on it in that gear and you hear the M 3 just reaching the turbo in both gears when he punched it, and 3rd at 50 wanted to break the tires loose. The Mustang in 3rd and 4th was not as high in the RPM range with the V 8, so it lagged getting to the boost... But overall, decent races...
I get so excited when I see other countries getting so excited about our American cars ❤
Love both cars but M3 has all wheel drive and 4 doors. Used to own a Shelby Cobra Convertible, very fun car.
Supercharger starts to lose power due to the heat after about 3-5 pulls back to back as you can see from the each pass they did. The M3 continued to creep closer and closer with each pass until it just smoked the Mustang.
Its that turbo boost that hits in 3rd and 4th with the beemer.
He had to keep racing so he could win one! The Mustang was heavier, and the BMW was automatic which shifts faster than a manual shift! Back in the late 60's I was racing a my Z28 Chevy 4 speed manual shift against an automatic Z28! I had him off the line but about halfway through the race, he went ahead and stay because of the automatic!
I'm here in the states and me and my friend work for Ford for 30yrs his anniversary gift to him self was a slightly used GT500 25k mi full carbon wheels and interior, same color as the one in your video, the sound in real life is so ridiculous. He saved up over 15yrs to buy it. He cashed it out. Then a week later he ordered his new performance parts he has 900hp already 😂😂😂I told him my gift to myself is either a Lamborghini Huracan or a C8 ZO6 Vette😂
Pfff the new Corvette ZR1 with 1064hp would eat both of those cars alive. 🤣
Are ya seriously bringing chevy's supercar to an all Muscle car or pony car race???
@@Hello_world522 Sure, why not? 🤣
@@mikelovin7 understandable, have a great day.
@@Hello_world522 You guys are funny : )
@@spiritualarchitect4276 "thank you" -said Adam west.
Only issue I have here is that an automatic transmission is such an advantage now a days to anybody driving a manual except for the best of the best drivers who specialize in the car or at least have had a couple of years driving the particular car knowing its ins and outs. I will say this though even a pro driver in the mustang would have a hard time making up the time this guy lost in a rolling start. Thats the M3s superpower.
First off, great channel. Easy to watch, and great reactions. Speaking of which, check out the Jeep Trakhawk.....sic ask. Keep up the great vids.
The problem is not power its the turbo lag its low but once it gets into high boost the power goes crazy and lights up the tire loosing traction if it had better antilag system it would be more manageable
According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), the Chevrolet Camaro, Dodge Challenger, Dodge Charger, and Ford Mustang are among the vehicles with the highest driver death rates. The IIHS suggests that muscle cars are driven more aggressively than other vehicles, which leads to more deadly crashes.
As an owner of a manual Mustang GT, it's definitely more fun.
There is a new "Mustang" coming out next year. I put it in quotes because it is more of a supercar than a muscle car. It really only shares the basic shape of the regular Mustang. The whole car has been re-engineered for GT3 racing type performance on the street. Designed for speed and corners. Check out the Mustang GTD. I believe it was at Goodwood this year. You can only buy one if Invited and then scrutinized and approved by Ford.
300k USD (base)
0-60 MPH under 4s
815 HP
Screaming 7600 rpm redline
Carbon Fiber everything.
Mustangs aren't muscle cars, so...