When English is your second language, mistakes will be made. As long as the content can be understood, give the man some credit for posting these videos for us!!
Robert MacNeil (yes that one, fromPBS) was NBC and ran into Oswald as he entered the depository looking for a phone to use as he was stuck. Oswald pointed to the door and told him where to find one
That's neat because he's the one who said that Oswald was the only one missing from the building when there were at least a dozen or more others. How was he so sure that Oswald seem to be missing from the building if he hadn't searched the building or even gathered the remaining Workforce together to see who was missing. Which would be next to impossible to do in the remaining 7 minutes till 12:45 when they broadcast Oswald's description across the police frequencies.
One can see that back in the day , Chief Jesse Curry was not able to explain how the description of the suspect was broadcasted so quickly. Chief Jesse Curry was protecting his behind. He was being told what to do and say from some big guy way high above him.
You jumped to nefarious conclusions.. The description was broadcast because a witness on the street, Howard Brennan, saw Oswald shooting from a sixth floor window. Brennan told a police officer what he saw. The officer called in the description. There's nothing insidious or conspiratorial about it. Curry didn't know at the time where the description came from. No plot "from some big guy."
If I wrote a book based solely on eyewitness accounts and their later changed accounts I am sure it would prove Oswald was innocent, who done the actual shooting is another seperate story
I think the elevator doors were slatted, you could see in and out. The stairwell switchback was open. Somewhere I saw Jarman and Norman and one of them said they could hear shell casings falling to the floor above. If so then surely they heard the footsteps of whomever was occupying the 6th floor as they walked, ran, or hurried to either the stairwell or elevator. Don't you think you'd wanna peek over at that stairwell or elevator to see the boogeyman coming down from one floor above you. Boooh
What evidence proves Oswald did it?Oswald was found on the 2nd floor 90 seconds after the last shot.The rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 Mauser.The parafin test on Oswald was NEGATIVE which means he fired NO gun that day.JD Tippit was shot with an automatic,Oswald had a revolver.
@@televisionarchivestudios1130 LOL!! “Not reliable” but flat assertions by crooked cops and Texas Big Oil Kennedy haters are? Oswald would never have been convicted in a court of law (only a CIA kangaroo court.)
If you read the whole story Roy Truly helped Ruth Paine set here CIA/Naval Intell Specialist Harvey Oswald and his family up. Truly took Officer Baker from the front of the building to the back entrance and power to both elevators was shut off. Truly knew the plot and yelled up the elevator shift to let the plotters know he was on the way up. Officer Baker met Lee Oswald who was the double for Harvey in the lunch room. If officer Baker had gone through the front door, he would have meet Harvey (the Patsy). Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig also saw the Oswald Double running from the rear of the building and he got into a Nash Rambler. Ruth Paine owned a 1952 Chevy Station Wagon.
I always thought Ruth knew more than she let on . DPD needed a better interview with her as didn't she say she was grocery shopping ? But could not say where she was shopping at . Of course we will never know if any follow up was done as DPD didn't do much once LHO was killed . They seemed to act like the crime was solved .
Read the book The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest. He interviewed a woman who worked at the TSBD. She stated she and two co-workers heard the shots come from above them from the sixth floor. She and a co-worker hurried down the back wooden stairs to see what had transpired. She said the stairs were old and creaky, and one could hear anyone on them from the second to the sixth floor. When she and the co-worker got on the stairs within about thirty seconds of the shots, she said there was no one below or above them on the stairs. The gist of her testimony means Oswald could not have fired the three shots and raced down the back stairs like authorities claim he did, and be calm and drinking a Coke when Officer Baker and Mr. Truly came in the snack room. The woman said she and her co-worker would have heard anyone coming down the stairs--and there was no one. Oswald was not the killer, the real shooter left the TSBD building via a different route. Oswald was CIA and when he learned the mission he was involved with had actually killed the president, he knew he was the patsy. Of course, the Warren Commission ignored the woman's testimony because it didn't fit the lone nut gunman story being spouted by the FBI and CIA. LBJ was the mastermind of the entire plot, but Dulles, Hoover, mobsters, and others all had their own piece to carry out No one but LBJ and Cliff Carter had all the pieces to the puzzle because they devised it. Phillip F. Nelson's book LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination is an incredible read and lays out just how sick of a sociopath LBJ was and how the various factions came together to kill President Kennedy. Oswald was CIA and was made to be the perfect patsy, just like he said he was before Jack Ruby was allowed to kill him on national television.
Look for:"Author on JFK assassination: Oswald had an airtight alibi' | Dan Abrams Live" where a co-worker (Geraldine Reed) of Oswald gave him change for a dollar to buy a Coke at the cafeteria. While she gave him the change, she heard the gunshots. Oswald was a CIA operative that the Warren Commission knew of but hid the information.
Her name was Victoria Adams, and she was wrong about how soon she and her co-worker Sandra Styles came down the stairs from the 4th floor after the shooting.
As the Warren Commission first started, Warren instructed the men to make sure Oswald was the lone shooter so the American public will stop the rumors of a conspiracy.
@@9Ballrhow do you know she was Wrong? Others saw Oswald in the lunchroom at 12:20-12:25, before the shooting. He also wasn’t out of breath when Truly and officer Baker saw him in the lunchroom immediately after the shooting.
No WAY IN HELL Oswald shot Kennedy with three shots in less than 7 seconds and then wiped the gun clean of all finger prints. Stashed the gun on the opposite side of the building and then ran down 4 flights of stairs in the time it took a police officer to walk up 1 flight of stairs
It wasn’t 7 seconds, it was more like 11. And his palm print was on the rifle. Sure, he could get down 4 flights in that time. He was the only one missing and oh yeah, so was his rifle from his garage. Case closed!!
@@JMC786 ...and something sure motivated him to get out of the Depository building as quick as he could...and then SIX people voluntarily go to a police lineup and ID Oswald with a gun at the Tippit murder scene. As you said...CASE CLOSED.
@@RSTI191 Could Oswald have organised the following; When you put Babushka with Umbrella Man, a driver literally stopping, very thin crowd compared to before, a lack of security, plus agents already at the Grassy Knoll before everyone else as well as confiscated camera footage never revealed and add the washing of the car at Parkland then yeah you could say with a degree of certainty that this was not the work of Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone!
@@nickkabbabe1953 You forgot the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man.. I heard he had a hand in it as well before he attacked New York... Good thing we have Ghostbusters
TSBD Vice President Ochus V. Campbell & Roy Truly were outside watching the motorcade parade. After the shooting they quickly went into the bldg & saw Oswald in the storage room on the ground floor. Ochus V. Campbell was present on the first floor during the encounter with Officer Baker & Oswald. The WC moved it to the 2nd floor to be more convincing Oswald could've made it ahead of Baker. Even the 2nd floor for Oswald to cover his tracks maneuvering around stacks of boxes working his way to the stairs & run down 4 floors unseen by others to the 2nd floor calm & relaxed ahead of Baker is reaching for the stars. Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the lunchroom from 12:15 to 12:25 pm & then he was outside as the motorcade turned on Elm.
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4:40 Baker "From the time I heard the shots, ran into the building, got to the 2nd floor and saw Oswald there, I'd say it took me approx A MINUTE AND A HALF/TWO MINUTES." This COMPLETELY DESTROYS the "Oswald did it alone" theory folks ! It's IMPOSSIBLE that Oswald (or any other human being for that matter) could first of all run towards the WEST end of the Depository to hide the Mannlicher Carcano (in case you didn't know, that's where it was found hidden), then run back to the stairs (North), run down FOUR FLIGHTS of stairs (sixth floor to 2nd floor) and show up in the lunch room calm and composed IN 2 MINUTES !!! IMPOSSIBLE ! (Anyone in the comments trying to prove that it was is simply ignoring the facts (given by officer Baker who WAS THERE, unlike you) and the simple laws of logic).
My two cents as to what happened. Oswald was a typical individual who was told, by some secret op group, to appear communist. That his mission was to make believe that he was a communist so that he could infiltrate communist groups. Meanwhile, believing this, he unknowingly set himself to take the fall. Someone of course aided him by planting all the evidence. At one point he realized that he was set up and took measures. Ruby was not the first choice to silence him, but after the first choice failed ruby was activated. All the evidence, testimony was taken in and anything that pointed to other than "lone nut theory" was destroyed/hidden/ignored. Anyone at a later date who made admissions was labeled loony. Kennedy was a pacifist and did not appear to follow the program that New World Order group wanted. While, from sourcing from various reading Kennedy did not appear to know the economics of international bankers but he may have began to understand some aspect of how they operate. Kennedy appointed Douglas Dillon as secretary of the treasury and Kennedy may have confided certain things in private that rose the suspicion of this group. This group have people everywhere. The various problems with the evidence. 1) No chain of custody for oswald's rifle. Initially the rifle found at the Book depository was a Mauser. But the Carcano has "Made in Italy" and serial number inscription right on the rifle. How can police officers make such an obvious error? Also mystery as to how LHO acquire the rifle using a false name. How did he pick up the rifle from the post office. When and where did he mailed the money order for the rifle? When and where did LHO practice with the rifile, with the understanding that he had no car? 2) No Chain of custody on the hulls in the national archives. 3) Lack of preservation of the crime scene. A) Dealey Plaza people trampled all around the point of assassination to the degree that someone a day later found a piece of JFK head matter. B) Clothes were taken and destroyed. c) Limousine was allegedly taken immediately to be redone. 4) Witnesses ignored: A) John and Nellie Connally which claim that there were two separate shots the one that hit JFK in the throat and the one that hit John C. B) George Burkley who was present at both the Parkland Hospital and the autopsy was largely ignored by the Warren Commission. Burkley was asked whether he agreed with the Warren Commission's view on the number of shots. Burkley's reply: "I would not care to be quoted on that." 4) Perhaps the most troubling evidence is the testimony by Parkland Doctors and some of the Bethesda Personal that claim a 5x7cm exit wound in back of JFKs head. New York Times reporter took testimony from Parkland Hospital doctors and wrote: "Later in the afternoon, Dr. Malcolm Perry, an attending surgeon, and Dr. Kemp Clark, chief of neurosurgery at Parkland Hospital, gave more details. Mr. Kennedy was hit by a bullet in the throat, just below the Adam's apple, they said. This wound had the appearance of a bullet's entry. Mr. Kennedy also had a massive, gaping wound in the back and one on the right side of the head. However, the doctors said it was impossible to determine immediately whether the wounds had been caused by one bullet or two." 5) Claims of same bullet doing to opposite things. One bullet CE399 traverse two bodies, Another bullets explodes JFKs head. supposedly leaving fragments in the wound and at least two external fragments CE567. 6) Has anyone duplicated the damage that the magic bullet did, while remaining relatively intact? Did anyone take the Carcano precisely in the condition that it was found in the sniper's nest and simulate the three shots? We would like to let it go but we cannot. We cannot let go of a murder committed a long time ago if it was not the president. We cannot let go of the assassination of President Kennedy because this means that these powerful people are brazen enough to kill the president in broad daylight and get away with it are brazen enough to do far more damage. They are brazen enough to get away with stealing our gold in fort Knox, or carried out false flag operations. They are brazen enough to steer the military into conflicts which only benefits them. They are brazen enough to start race riots where millions could be killed. They are brazen enough for genocide to reduce the population. If the population is a problem, then there is are humane programs that could be implemented. JFK gave the space program a direction. Today the space program is dying. Too much money is going to pay off a phony debt. Too much money is going into the war machinery. Who are we suppose to conquer? Who is going to attack us?
Very well said argument. I agree with you it is so painfully obvious that this case is much more than a "crazed lonely gunman acted alone". Oswald was involved in some kind of underground black OP and he took the role of the patsy in this case... there were other gunmen and high pro shooters! Dont forget to take these shots you must be amazing or better! Warren Commision? Well they were never about the truth they were for LBJ to calm down the public. A commission to investigate JFK's murder with Allen Dulles... well its obvious, they did not want to know the truth because they already knew it! Dulled was CIA. He knew everything. And he hated JFK like many others... they were jealous and full of hate towards JFK because he was successful, rich and popular and at last he made changes! Thats why they killed him! They did not want to change! The change was equal to loose their jobs...lives, everything they owned and their power! It was obvious they wont let it happen...they just had to kill JFK...so they did...
Kennedy was a pacifist? He was the one who escalated the terrorist invasion of south Vietnam. He supported the nutty domino theory of communism. He supported the 'Strategic Hamlet' program of forcing peasants into compounds. I believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. But let's not make him into a Saint.
“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” ― Woodrow Wilson What power could control 1) The media, including television 2) Set up war games to mimic the attack and confuses the billions of dollar USA defense systems? 3) Bring down buildings in a controlled demolition, and be able to use television to convince many people that it was fire that brought them down through the power of suggestion? 4) Control the congress, the senate and the subsequent presidents and avoid a real investigation? 5) Control the military and use 9/11 to attack countries that had nothing to do with 9/11? 6) Keep evidence from public scrutiny under the guise of national security. 7) Failed in response as the attacks were occurring and no one was reprimanded, or fired, but many were promoted. All the tops chiefs were AWOL during the attacks. 8) No preservation of the crime scene. NIST did not bother to test for explosives because they claim that no explosions could be heard. More and more 9/11 truth videos on you tube are getting relentlessly hit with government sycophants, and even cointelpro shills. They will try and suggest that the buildings did not fall at free fall speed, or that they did not fall symmetrically. Or that there was no molten metal despite the pictures and footage. On one hand they will tell you that the jetliners could cause disastrous damage on one scene but on another scene they are okay when the damage was minimal. They are at the opposite extreme of those individuals claiming that there were no planes and what we saw were holograms. It appeals that they are extreme theories for the purpose of obfuscating the truth. The fact that the media is interviewing the hologram people can be interpreted to mean that they intend to bring doubt to viable non-official theories by relating it to obviously faulty theories. My suggestion is believe in what you see and call it out, dont let the government sycophants and their cartoon physics tell you otherwise.
Joe Smith You're right about that, also he presided over a large escalation nuclear weaponry. But this was the prevailing view at the time and JFK also knew that he could not have been elected as a pacifist. But the Cuban Missile Crisis among other incidents helped him to see the insanity of this path of nuclear proliferation and destruction. JFK did change his pov over time and that is documented not only in his correspondences with Khrushchev and their mutual effort to complete the first arms control agreement between the two nations. This was an unprecedented effort for both men and did not endear them to the hardliners in both countries. Of course he was no saint. But he was politically quite a different man at the end of his life.
This is a Huge set of facts I've never heard before. Thank you. The sheer massive coincidence of the 2 weapons arriving the same day when each was ordered at different times is incredible. The untraceable nature of the payment is telling. But most significant for me is the insight into the conspirators time line. (Not Oswald, he was a patsy). The actual conspirators planning must have started in late 61 or early 62 at the latest. This begs the question what set of actions did Kennedy take early in his presidency which started the plan to assassinate him? This site has fantastic factual reports, thank you.
Oswald might have been a scapegoat but he was no patsy. Oswald was definitely an American intelligence asset at the very least. While in jail he tried to call 2 numbers. One for a John D Hurt and another for a John W Hurt. John D Hurt was a former Army counter intelligence agent. But Victor Marchetti of the CIA said that John D Hurt was not Oswald’s handler, John Hurt was what’s known as a cutout man. So Oswald’s handler tells Oswald “if you’re in trouble call John Hurt and he’ll know to tell me you’re in trouble” so Oswald not knowing John hurt, goes to the phone book, finds two numbers for John Hurt, and memorizes them both. It’s classic CIA spycraft you never call your handler directly because it leaves a trail.
@@jamesbaka1206 Oswald never called Hurt. 1970, Hurt admitted to conspiracy theory author David Lifton, that he made what was in effect a prank call while intoxicated, a call that by the way, did not go through, according to the switchboard operator.
@@stddisclaimer8020 according to the switchboard operator, Oswald tried to call 2 numbers. One was for John D Hurt and the other for John W Hurt. Oswald could not have been making a prank call or intoxicated because the call happened when Oswald was in jail the night before he was killed. It was a call coming in from the jail, as Oswald’s one phone call. The call didn’t go through because government officials told the switchboard operators not to let Oswald’s call go through. The operator who recorded the call was names was Alveeta Treon and her switchboard partner was Louise Swinney. Look up “Lee Harvey Oswalds final phone call” by Dr Proctor and Jim Mars. There’s no way Oswald isnt intelligence
Good interview, but just to point out, the dispatcher didn't say Lee was armed with a .30-30 rifle specifically; he said he was thought to be armed with "a thirty caliber rifle." Thirty caliber generically covers a number of calibers such as .30-30, 7.62x51mm and the infamous 7.65mm Mauser among others.
Right.. why in the hell would you sniper someone out at your place of work and then LEAVE your rifle and bullet casings behind!? Makes no damn sense whatsoever.. and he obviously didn't want credibility or recognition for it.. he wasn't seeking attention for an impossible shot that if was true that person would brag about such a shot I would imagine. he denied it.. in the calmest manner after such an unbelievably crazy ass act saying what happened! I'm a patsy! And he was. If it would have went to trial.. lawyers that investigated it says he would've been found Not GUILTY. wake up people!
Not to mention the "magic bullet" found on the gurney not looking like it's never been fired!? I mean.. come on people. There's way too much facts that point to conspiracy. I think it's a conspiracy within a conspiracy.. for another conspiracy! Figure that out.. .
Could you imagine being in the Oswald jury trial of killing officer tippet an some witnesses said they saw Oswald running away an others say they saw 2 men running away. Are you kidding what would you do with that. The fact that Oswald was shot in police station by a night club Mafia friend an Dallas police buddy tells you just no way it was a lone wolf Oswald 3 shots 6 floo
@1:10 Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly ran down four flights of stairs and started eating his lunch and bought a Coke from the vending machine, calmly and seemingly without running out of breath.
@@dustyflair I believe LHO was a low level intelligence asset. He gets a hardship discharge from the Mar8nes and 3 days later flies to Moscow on a $1500 ticket with $300 in his bank account. He was chosen well in advance to play the patsy part. George DeMohrensheid and Ruth and Michael Payne were his CIA handlers. I
Turly just reacted like any officer in a crisis would: he acted first and thought later. It just seemed reasonable to look for a person who was at the scene of the crime and later went missing. Of course he probably assumed Oswald would be nearby, but as an officer he needed to find that missing person.
Was it true he was supposed to be guarding and escorting President Kennedy at his front side of the limo then his position was changed to behind the last press car?
Oswald's name didn't become primary to local police seeking a suspect until a phone call was made from the offices of Bell Helicopter in Forth Worth; a call made from the offices where Michael Paine worked...Michael being the husband of Ruth Paine, the woman with whom Marina Oswald was living at the time. The call from Bell specifically stated the name Lee Harvey Oswald. Another likewise call emanated from the Dallas FBI office as well as another from the local military district. Shit, talk of a fucking setup as well as an aftermath becoming quite readily a cluster fuck! After all, LHO was supposed to have been nailed as the assassin within minutes of the Dealey Plaza shooting. Instead, JD Tippit, among others, are hastily and in a state of near panic meandering about Oak Cliff seeking the elusive Lee. The man who shot Tippit, Gary Marlow, was supposed to have already taken care of Oswald and when confronted by Tippit, well...you guys figure out the rest. Clue; Both understood in a second or two that one or both was in a world of shit and that one had to die.
@mohican D H Byrd owned the TSBD in 1963. A close friend of LBJ, he also helped to start the Civil Air Patrol. Barry Seal, David Ferrie and PHO were in the CAP together.
Funny thing about Oswald, going by his radio and TV interviews and people that knew him, Oswald was OBSESSED with politics, (Michael Paine said he ONLY talked about politics) yet the day that the President is driving by his place of work, he claims not even bother to attempt to look at the motorcade, then after the shots have been fired, doesn't even bother to stick around out of even curiousity that there has just been a shooting right where he is.
Thanks Helmer. By this account Oswald had an alibi as his co-workers testify that they saw him at lunch at time JFK shot and still there when cop questioned him.
Movie employees don't call the cops when they catch someone sneaking in, they simply make sure the person leaves so your comment is being rogered "loud and clear." Jack Ruby is the man who ensured that 50 years later we still have no single account which is universally accepted. And we never will.
10.Bullethole through the freeway sign 11.bullethole through windshield 12.dent in rearview mirror 13.bullethole in chrome moulding above dash 14.Motorcycle officer said a 45 slug bounced off his fender and rolled into street I'm forgetting one 60 grams of bullet fragments found in the car plus fragments in JFK and Connally 40 years later I can see this.
There were bullets flying everywhere at least 3 teams of shooters. That's why the TSBD shooter did not shoot when he had a good shot with the car coming towards him,he had to wait for the crossfire position.
My Uncle worked at TSBD with Oswald. He saw Oswald and informed him that the President had been shot, Oswald winked at him and said he was going to go catch a movie...
Objection! Starting at 26 seconds the text says: "Finding that both elevators were on an upper floor, they took the stairs to the 2nd floor. There the met a man in the lunchroom. He was standing calmly drinking a coke." Nope. Whoever made this video did not do their homework. In no statement ever provably spoken or handwritten by him did Roy Truly ever say Oswald was holding any type of soda bottle, and in fact he specifically said that Oswald was not holding any type of object in either of his hands. And in no statement *provably* spoken or handwritten by Marrion Baker did he ever say that Oswald was holding any type of soda bottle either, and instead he also said that Oswald was holding no object of any type in either of his hands. There is a single document from a year after the assassination, dated September 23, 1964, in which it has been *mistakenly* claimed that Baker wrote "drinking a coke" and crossed it out, but that is not Baker's handwriting. The origin of the "drinking a coke" myth comes from two Washington Post reporters, Lawrence Stern and Alfred E. Lewis, who accidentally conflated Baker's and Truly's statements with the statement of Carolyn Reid, a secretary in the TSBD, who said she saw Oswald carrying a soda bottle when she walked through her office *after* the lunchroom encounter; Stern and Lewis got confused and mistakenly assumed that he had bought the soda before Baker and Truly saw him when in fact it's more likely that he bought it after they left the lunchroom and continued up the stairs. And notice how in the very filmed interviews with them included in this video neither Baker or Truly said a word about Oswald having any object of any type in either of his hands when they first saw him in the lunchroom.
@@9Ballr Yep. And this is an example of one of the primary ways misinformation gets spread on the internet. Someone makes a provably false claim in a UA-cam video, but since the average person doesn't bother to carefully investigate the original primary source of the claim, they mistakenly believe that what is said in the video is "true" and then mindlessly share it with others who then mindlessly share it with others who then mindlessly share it with others and so on and so forth.
Ok, let’s say he wasn’t drinking a coke when Baker saw him. Oswald was still in the lunch room almost immediately after the 3rd shot and wasn’t out of breath. Two women never heard or saw him on the stairs. One woman said he was in the lunchroom at 12:20. He also didn’t fire a weapon that day. Someone fired a gun from the TSBD, but not Oswald.
@@stevestroh2267 "Ok, let’s say he wasn’t drinking a coke when Baker saw him. Oswald was still in the lunch room almost immediately after the 3rd shot and wasn’t out of breath." Define "almost immediately." The figure most often given is 90 seconds after the final shot was fired, and both Marrion Baker and Roy Truly admitted that it could have been longer than that. A person moving at an average speed of 3 miles per hour (4.4 feet per second) which is little more than average walking speed for adult humans could have made it from the so-called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor to the second floor lunchroom in only 68 seconds, and that *includes* stashing the rifle where it was later found among those boxes close to the stairwell. I'm more than twice as old as Oswald was and I've walked that same distance in that same amount of time without being even slightly out of breath. Now true, I hadn't done anything like shooting anyone and wouldn't be in a state of excitement, but even then, being out of breath is something that is quite easy to conceal for a mere 30 seconds or so, which according to Baker was the total amount of time that he observed Oswald in the lunchroom. "Two women never heard or saw him on the stairs." Those two women were Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles and there is plenty of evidence that more likely than not they simply came within sight of the stairway a little too late to see him descending. He could have quite easily been no more than 30 seconds ahead of them and they would have missed hearing or seeing him. I have discussed this evidence in detail many times and can easily do so again now if you'd like. You are also making a gigantic, glaring omission: If Oswald wasn't the shooter, that means both woman *also* missed hearing and seeing the *real* shooter coming down the stairs too. Oops. "One woman said he was in the lunchroom at 12:20." You are saying that in a misleading and partly inaccurate way. You seem almost certainly to be talking about Carolyn Arnold (later Mrs. Carolyn Johnston) and if so she gave several inconsistent and contradictory claims. She said that when she and others left the office to go outside to watch the motorcade she saw Oswald on her way out. But she was extremely inconsistent about what time this was. On different dates she gave various times for leaving the office, from as early as "between 12:00 and 12:15 PM" to as late as "about 12:25 PM." Also in her earliest statements she said she saw Oswald standing in the hallway on the first floor, not in the lunchroom. The very first time she is known to have said that he was in the lunchroom was not until 1978, approximately 15 years after the assassination, and this contradicts her more contemporaneous claim that he was standing in the hallway. Also her claim of seeing Oswald on the way out is completely uncorroborated by even one of the several other people who left the office at the same time she did and went outside at the same time she did. Not one of those other people ever said they saw Oswald, in the lunchroom or anywhere else, on the way out. And in fact Carolyn Arnold Johnston remains, to this very day, the one and only TSBD employee who ever, ever claimed to have seen Oswald eating lunch that day. In any location. And as I've already said, she did not say this for the first time ever until 1978. "He also didn’t fire a weapon that day." Where on earth are you getting this from? You have no possible way of knowing for certain that he "didn't" fire a weapon that day. "Someone fired a gun from the TSBD, but not Oswald." And your proof of this is, what, exactly?
@1:34 So Truly was part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald by telling police he had left when he couldn't be certain (even though we know LHO had left by then), yet when officer Baker confronts Oswald on the 2nd floor Truly vouches for him allowing him to flee? Only a genius could come up with this hypothesis
Good 1 they had to wait till LBJ hit man Wallace could sneak out ...my guess. Or even a Mafia sniper part of the night before plan that many researchers have evidence of big wigs LBJ Texas oil military money etc
Well I maintain that Ossie most likely was nothing but the fall guy duped & set up to facililate an expedient quick closure. The very fact that Jack shot him at such close point blank range betrays this instantly. As said before, Ossie knew too much or enough to eventually lead to a bust from vigorous investigation of lots of topkicks in significant command of things. Now whether Oz pulled a trigger or not is hard to say, still, but that's really besides the point, isn't it? Just an accomplice.
You conspiracy theorists are truly desperate to convince yourselves that there was a conspiracy. A truly terrifying example of how people can be so easily lead through the darkness, regardless of how the bright light of truth is shinning down upon them.
I’ve always wondered what would have happened next if Oswald just simply stayed in the building with everyone else. Would they have eventually connected him to it?
Yes, because once they found the rifle they traced it back to Oswald through his alias Alex Hidell. They knew who he was the day they arrested him because he was charged with killing the President at 11:26 pm that same evening.
@DennisSmith099 Simple. Olswald (unbenownst to him) was the patsy of it all. He was the cosen fall guy to take the rap for whoever was really responsible for the plot. (Why do you think Jack Ruby made sure to shoot him close up at point blank range to shut him up forever? Lee had way too much to say if he started to crack that would eventually get some highly important people in certain US Governmet depts. in hot scalding water). Like to make sure Pasty Lee would get the noose
The motorcade route was published 3 days before in Dallas news Papers. Oswald Applied to the TSBD because Ruth Paine 's neighbourgh's brother worked there and she knew there was some work opportunity. She advised Oswald to apply. Lee Harvey Oswald 's wife was living in ruth paine's house. How mysterious is that?
Oswald was not "standing calmly drinking a coke" when Baker encountered him. Baker testified that Oswald was walking away from him and that he had nothing in his hands. I think as Oswald was coming down the stairs he heard Truly and Baker coming up from the first floor, so he tried to duck into the second floor lunchroom but didn't make it through the door before Baker saw him.
Most people's behavior upon hearing shots at Dealey Plaza: confusion, fear, dismay, curiosity. Oswald's behavior: time to buy a coke, then an urgent need to go window shopping for shoes, then on to a movie.
@Noumenon: Oswald never drank Cokes, only Dr. Pepper. He needed shoes as much as he needed "curtain rods." He never intended to see "a movie," as he snuck into the theater (without paying) not to watch a film but to elude the authorities.
All of the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository building. If you think that Oswald did not do it, then why did so many people including this officer look up at the building during and after the shooting? Why did Oswald run? It was proven by doctors that the wound in Kennedy's neck came from the back. As for the fatal shot, well, that did not come from the front. The area behind the picket fence had no escape route. That area was almost completely surrounded by railroad tracks and the only two roads leading out, would have led to blocked off streets to guess where? The Texas School Book Depository. That entire area was blocked off for the motorcade. It would have takin up to two minutes to get there anyway, and after shots were fired, no one was getting out. No second gunman. Oswald acted alone.
LC Esthersar.....Easy to answer? How on earth can anybody give a detailed description of someone pretty much kneeling sideways through a window which would be darker than outside? How would you know anyones weight when you cant see the entire body or for that matter their height when he was supposed to have knelt to shoot. Even if he was stood up smack bang in front of the window, it would have been hard to judge his height or weight as the diagonal from ground level to window would obscure some of his legs. If reports are to be believed about the "snipers nest" then Oswald was in a crouched position resting the rifle on boxes. If this man saw him in the act of shooting what could he actually see? A man side on, crouching with half a face hugging a rifle through 1 of dozens of windows. Just look at a modern picture of the building and tell me if you really think you could give a good description of a man on the same floor in similar circumstances. It would be hard enough even if you knew in advance just to look there and had a fair amount of time to memorise every detail. I definitely think Oswald was involved in some way but no way did he act alone. I am not a "conspiracy buff" or anything near but I try to keep an open mind and weigh up everything before coming to conclusions. Several people said they heard at least 1 shot and saw smoke at the grassy embankment why are they any less credible witnesses than Howard Leslie Brennan?
***** Just for the record, you never did answer any of my questions. Here's Brennan's sworn testimony, which, if you had read, you would not have assumed that Oswald was "crouching": jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan.htm
"So, my questions are 'irrational' which don't deserve to be answered, while yours are perfectly 'rational' which deserve an answer." That's by far the most rational sentence you've written. Correction on the "lone nut theory," though -- it's the "lone nut conclusion." which cannot legitimately be discredited.
Geoffrey Johnstone, the other thing that LC seems to have left out is that in the Warren Report Brennan was not able to make a positive ID of Oswald. The WC states that Brennan "identified Oswald as the person in the lineup who bore the closest resemblance to the man in the window but he said that he was unable to make a positive identification." Not a very conclusive identification. If they had Billy Lovelady in the line up he might have ID'd him too.
Well I thought he must be kneeling to shoot as they suggested he had piled boxes up to rest on. If you look at pictures of the nest it shows boxes near the window and if he used them to rest the gun on he must have been kneeling. I suppose you believe that all the assassinations in the 60s were lone nuts just looking for attention
Also there is only the bottom part of the window open in all photos and films just prior to the shooting....as the floor on the inside of the window is barely a foot below the window bottom then he has to be crouching or kneeling otherwise he has to fire through the window at the top and there was no broken window
U tube pulled the video of the forensic pathologist...the head wound only made sense if it was an upward trajectory shot....from the fatal wound he determined the shot was fired from the sewer opening when the limo came to a complete stop per signal from umbrella man and raised fist man...killer was an air force sniper named jack alan lawrence...zapruder was in line with the fatal shot...as was his wife...Babuska woman on the infield grass area adjacent to the limo...Oswald was given a Dallas police uniform by Rubenstein at 02:45 am in Irvine tx...oswald drove there in a Rambler Nash and returned to Ruth Paine's home to fetch a pair of dark trousers to go with the Dallas police uniform...must have been told by Rubenstein he could escape Dallas wearing that uniform...what he was told about his role at the TBD is unclear...lookout who signalled the arrival of the presidential motorcade to the spotters..umbrella man and raised fist man...raised fist is a signal to stop when spotting a vehicle....both men sat on the curb calmly and used a walkie talkie following the fatal shot.
Based on Truly’s comments, he and Baker entered the TSBD just seconds after the third shot. No way Oswald could get from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor and be standing calmly in the lunchroom.
ha-ha, yeah they sort of ambushed him in that debate, but he handled himself fairly well. I particularly like his first question & answer radio interview with Bill Stuckey. He handles those random questions with such depth and detail. You probably know this already, but Ed Butler (I believe the producer of the radio interview) called it "the most effective presentation of the Castro argument I had ever heard"
Misleading video. Events happened very quickly. Police broadcast description of man that was immediately provided by witness who had seen man firing rifle from 6th floor. The description was broadcast three times before 1 o'clock. Oswalds name not suspected until later. Truly asked about Oswald's whereabouts and asked his boss, O. V. Campbell if they should tell police who later wanted Oswald for questioning but within an hour of that Oswald was arrested and in possession of the revolver used to murder Dallas Police Officer Tippit. Carolyn Arnold same day signed affidavit saying she thought she might have caught a "fleeting glimpse" of Oswald on the first floor fifteen or twenty minutes before the shooting. She said she did not see Oswald at the time of the shooting. The video falsely claims Oswald was drinking a coke when Officer Baker encountered him but Baker actually said Oswald had nothing in his hands and was on the vestibule of the lunchroom with his back towards the officer. Oswald was shortly thereafter observed with a coke from the lunchroom as he passed by another employee as he passed through an office. All this is easily checked.
@Oldgoldtop: When the Warren Commission counsel asked Marrion Baker if, when he saw Oswald, Oswald was “carrying anything in his hands,” Baker answered, “He had nothing at that time.” Oswald’s statement (lie) to Captain Fritz that he “was on the 2nd floor drinking a Coca-Cola when the officer came in” became so famous and written about that Officer Baker himself would later have to catch himself for buying into it. For, in a 9-23-64 handwritten statement he gave to the FBI, he wrote.” I saw a man standing in the lunchroom drinking a coke.” But Baker immediately crossed out the words ‘’drinking a coke” and placed his initials above those crossed-out words. Baker’s credibility in this matter couldn’t be any better. After all, if he were trying to implicate Oswald, he obviously would have never told the Warren Commission that Oswald was calm and collected when he (Baker) first encountered him. But in the final analysis, the whole Coke biz is nothing other than a red herring.
@ 7:43 is a side road called elm st, which is where greer almost turned into & over corrected the car sharply, thats why in the Towner film you see jfk sitting in his seat then suddenly he is next to jackie & then right over the right side of the car in a split second in the film, which is the part where they edited that part out & you can see the front wheels of gg--300 pointing sharply to the right as well & then pointing straight ahead, yet the car has not reached the part where the front wheel would be straight ?
@@aethanfriday3568 to hide the turn on elm st and how thee secret service almost turned down the wrong road, plus to hide the truth of what really happened and how jfk was killed, the only thing which is true jfk was killed in a crossfire full stop, L H OSWALD did not fire a weapon that day at all, no forensic evidence to support tippet or jfk even cpt fritz said they dont have enough on jfk or tippet, but lee was charged for tippet and then later on jfk?
@7071t6 yeah man, im with you on all of it, ive been obsessed with this and 9/11 for yearrrrs. Two state sponsored false 🚩🚩 that have changed this country for the worst beyond words. Oswald was a provocateur, and probably ONI or CIA asset, and/or FBI informant. Its crazy to me that someone can study the two cases and not see it for what it is. People say "no ones that evil?!" Or "why would anyone do such a thing?!" Or "not in this country " or blah blah blah. Well I say these people havent studied history, because shits a whole lot darker when you dig and don't just believe the Rockefeller indoctrination garbage thats thrown at you K through 12. Thank you for your courage to say whats true and real, it seems rare these days! God bless
@7071t6 also, I wish Clint Hill would get honest before he passes. I know he has accurately described the head wound in certain interviews and also towed the line in others. On the whole he just goes with the governments story, but he knows damn well what happened and he was no doubt staring at JFKs head when the back blew out and all over the trunk and officer Hargis...he could set the record straight and literally drop a bombshell on the world before he passes. I dont think he will, he probably has committed for some personal reason or another, but i can dream
how could Oswald be so calm and quiet and not out of breath 🤔, walk away, take a City Bus, and a Cab home, suddenly decide to get his pistol shoot a Cop and duck into a theater near you and wait for things to cool off, if in fact he just figured out he himself was being set up and it was too late, that's why 👁
Cause he knew he was gone take the fall...yet was pose been paid well and his body double was to pull his time while his family moved back over seas and lived a rick life! Didn take him long to relize he been double crossed and they didn't grab up his body double that was planted perfect he panicked and hadbto shoot the cop...while the double watched! To Many know "other" details for the WC be more than fictional story at best!
So we are supposed to believe Oswald spent all that time up there. and after the shots, cleaned his prints off rifle and then ran through the streets after shooting Tipoet? Making it to the movie theatre and all in such short time? Not plausible.
@Bomboy Fred 'Oswald' was never on the 6th floor, he was working on the first (ground floor in uk), Mrs Robert Reid aka Jeraldean, stated she saw Oswald on 2nd floor wearing a white t-shirt - this was the real Oswald. Also, Billy Lovelady, wearing a red & brown check shirt over white t-shirt was a contractor laying new flooring on the 6th floor. Lovelady looked very similar to the 'Oswald' Patsy and can be seen standing on the steps of TSBD in the Altgens photo.
LHO fired three bullets in approximately 11.2 seconds (per Max Holland research) killing Kennedy and wounding Connolly. LHO fled the building and caught a bus , then a cab ride to his rooming house where he put on a short coat and obtained his pistol and approximately 14-15 minutes later he shot five bullets (per Dale K. Myers research) killing Officer J. D. Tippit and then LHO was arrested in the Texas movie theater where he tried to shoot Officer McDonald with the same gun he used to kill Tippit. The gun contained two different brands of bullets and he was found with five more bullets in one of his pockets when he was searched at the Police Department. A note that LHO had written to his wife was later found that gave instructions to Marina as to what she was to do if he was killed or arrested from a April 1963 attempt to assassinate retired General Walker. Marina testified under oath to the Warren Commission that LHO told her that he tried to kill Walker with one bullet fired from his rifle and that he ran away and hid the rifle near some railroad tracks and then he rode a bus home. No credible evidence has ever been found to disprove that LHO was the only person responsible for killing JFK and Tippit, wounding Connolly and trying to kill Walker and McDonald.
@uranorexic My, My, temper, temper. Actually yes I was at the 6th floor museum a week and a half ago actually. And FYI I've shot competition and hunted with bolt action rifles for years. It's practically impossible to fire 3 aimed bolt-action shots in the time the Warren comission suggested Oswald took, at a moving target through heavy foliage (Ever noticed the Texas live oak tree with all the leaves blocking Oswalds view??) Matter of fact, I have my doubts that you've even been to dealey Plaza?
@Domenico Zagari: The motorcase route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination. And Oswald first read of it a day later. "Twas a crime of impulse and opportunity.
@@domenicozagari2443 The fact is that the motorcade route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination, in both Dallas newspapers. And Oswald first read of it a day later. "Twas a crime of impulse and opportunity.
Exactly...I love rational people like you ! You could not be more right ! Not only could they have killed him, thet would've been in the right to do so...especially once they realized that he was indeed the one that just shot one of their men. You know, all of these yrs studying this case that's a point I never even looked at ! Man, they must have showed great restraint to not shoot him.
Previously, I'd seen reports that the lifts in the TSBD were NOT working on this fateful day, yet here there's no mention of THAT & it seems they were working, as has been confirmed by video I've seen of police in the building using these lifts.
@@lifetimes2983 Pure speculation- If one concedes the argument that Oswald was framed, it doesn't make sense for him being allowed to take potshots at a nut job general.... anyway I believe Oswald when he said he had never seen that rifle before
If you a referring to Roger Craig...he said that the shells in the Depository were "in a straight line not more than and inch apart" NO police or media sealed in the building could corroborate that nonsense. He said Oswald mentioned the Paine station wagon, AGAIN, no corroboration. He said Oswald left the TSBD (A SEALED CRIME SCENE) 15 minutes after the shooting, but with uniform police and plain clothes cops flooding Dealey Plaza at that point does he yell for backup?...does he give chase? NO!
When I claim something I always give you a reference (who made that claim and where you can find this testimony). You said zillion time that the FBI di not believe Oswald pulled the trigger,, but you NEVER cited where that source came from, and where I could see or hear it myself.
I'm still thinking Oswald ran in fear when the cops arrived, I think he knew something was going down and left the building, I also think he knew what, one of his statements was "I'm just a patsy", a quick fall guy.
He said he was a patsy in relation to once having lived in Russia. He didn't say he thought he was a patsy being set up to be framed for the assassination of the President of the United States by a treasonous coup.
This is a very informative video of the time frames people saw Oswald. So he was seen on the first floor at 12:25pm so he had to find his way back up to the snipers lair to fire three shots in succession at 12:30pm and rush down to be seen approx 12:31:30 by Roy Truly and Officer Baker calmly sipping a soda. Oswald and 15 other TSBD workers were missing when a headcount was done and a police bulletin put out over the radio shortly thereafter with an approx description of Lee Harvey Oswlad. 1:05pm he was seen at the Texas Star movie theatre, the same time Officer Tippit was seen murdered. For failing to pay for his movie ticket 15 police cars and FBI agents rushed to the cinema, but casually approached him as they were slowly checking the other 20 odd movie goers. The plan was for Oswald to make a run for it from the movie viewing area to the foyer where he was to be shot and killed, unfortunately Oswald didn't run but did resist arrest in his movie seat and was armed with a revolver which had a faulty firing pin which FBI analyst reported could not have been fired by Oswald or anyone that day. A different type of shell casings for an automatic handgun were found at Tippit's murder scene. A black female witness said she saw a short solid built man with bushy black hair shoot tippit and throw the gun to another man identified as tall and thin. Oswald was neither tall, nor solidly built and did not have bushy hair. His Police line up was standing beside two teenagers and a Mexican. none of which fit the original police radio call about a suspect. Why were these other males suitably dressed as opposed to Oswald looking disheveled and bruises and cuts (an obvious standout). Also, if as some say Marina told Lee Oswald that she didn't want to reconcile, why then did she accompany police to see Oswald in the Dallas Police Station and bother to bring him a jacket etc as he only had on a white t-shirt?
Speaking of the line ups, Oswald was also put in a line up with Dallas Police detectives in business suits who were older and taller and heavier than Oswald. Oswald was also asked to step forward and announce where he worked, when everyone knew about the TSDB because it had been all over the news the previous days.
That´s what I was just thinking...Truly does not see Oswald in a group...so reports him missing...conspiracy people - How could he know he was not in the other side of the building...Well...he doesn´t..But he has seen him in this part few moments before, doesn´t see him now...so....reports him missing :)
No, I feel the same way. I use to believe in conspiracy and then after the movie "JFK" I was wondering if all that could be true, so I looked into it and it was all exaggerations, cherrypicking one thing, but ignoring all the corroboration that points in the other direction, taking while leaps in speculationing and TONS and TONS of ignoring facts.
King Keef No there wasn't..The point is that *everyone* who'd been inside the TSBD had an opportunity to leave right after the shooting, but Oswald is the only worker who did so, according to the affidavits in CE 1381 and other testimony.
King Keef Let me post this again so you understand..... .The point is that everyone who'd been inside the TSBD had an opportunity to leave right after the shooting, but Oswald is the only worker who did so, according to the affidavits in CE 1381 and other testimony......get it now?
King Keef If he stuck around how come the police arrested him in a movie theater over a mile away? How come witness said they saw him shoot a cop? How come police found a bus transfer in his pocket when he was arrested? How come a taxi driver said he took him to his boarding house? How come he wasn't around when Truly took roll call of all the employees and he was the only one that didn't answer. Do you think maybe it was because he was taking a shit?
Oswald was eating his lunch just like his coworkers testified as seeing him just before leaving to see Kennedy. He then heard the president was shot and probably thought something is very wrong. He then left the tsbd Got on a bus to go home. The bus wasn’t leaving and he felt something was wrong once again so he left the bus just as the bus was searched by a police officer ( probably was meant to be shot on that bus) he then got a taxi to his boarding room to get his jacket.
Yes, and what are the odds of the school Book Depository coincidentally was the last tall building on the parade route? there were many many tall buildings along the parade route the motorcade route, but the school Book Depository just coincidentally happened to be the very last one, it does make you stop and think?
@@gregorythornhill3904 Huh? Thats where Oswald worked. The parade route was determined by the city of Dallas with input by the local Democratic party. Doesnt make me think anything more than this was a crime of opportunity. Oswalds own brother Robert believed he did it. The true facts are so overwhelming against Oswald. Really is case closed.
Not one shred of hard evidence of a conspiracy, or second shooter. A mountain of hard evidence oswald acted alone. Yet millions of Americans buy into the conspiracy garbage because they do not want to believe a man as powerful and consequential as Kennedy could be taken out by a small little inconsequential loser like oswald. In their minds the scales don't balance, it must be something much bigger. A massive conspiracy by evil powers fits the bill in their minds. The fact that there are so many different wild conspiracy theories accusing anyone from castro, russia, CIA, LBJ, and so on is telling as to how ridiculous all the conspiracy theories are. Even the conspiracy theory nuts don't agree on anything.
The back ground music makes me believe Oswald's ghost haunts this joint. Maybe those paranormal guys who do investigations into haunted places could set up shop in the TSBD and finally we will here the truth. Oswald wasn't alone but the "fall" guy.
Kennedy was hit....4 times ...conally once.....a stray bullet hit the curb...one bullet went through the windshield well...thats a minimum of 4 shots fired
at about the 6 minute mark there is something important that people need to be aware of . its the police radio broadcast that gave the description of the man the police sought . chief curry said (and i believe its in this video ) that the description given out was based on oswald being seen leaving the building via the front door after the shooting . OFFICIALLY oswald left the building within 3 minutes of the shooting , but this is simply not true . also according to another witness oswald NEVER left via the front door , the witness said he saw oswald after he left via the REAR DOORS . ill come back to that . OFFICIALLY howard brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window , a man who he identified as oswald . a man whos description he gave to the police and which led to the police radio broadcast mentioned above and the very description given it . brennan NEVER saw oswald leaving the front door of the depository or outside of it , and he NEVER claimed he did . the man that brennan said he saw was ONLY seen by him in that window according to his statements . on that basis alone , and on the basis that police chief curry said that the 12.45pm description was given on the basis that oswald was seen leaving the front of the depository that means that the 12.45pm radio broadcast and the description of the man given in it DID NOT and could not have come from brennan . brennans identification of oswald is also a nonsense . brennan could only have seen a person from the waist up , and they had to be kneeling on the hard plywood floor which had to be very uncomfortable . brennan could only see half of a man yet gave a HEIGHT and weight description . he described the man as wearing khaki clothing , oswald didnt wear that . when brennan went to the police to see if he could identify the man he saw he FAILED to identify oswald . this is indisputable as it was documented by the police . he later claimed he went to a line up and identified oswald (the warren commission claimed the same ) , however we know that several witnesses attended each lineup . for example cab drivers whalley and scoggins stood together at one line up . we know the exact line up that brennan CLAIMED he attended , it was the line up with the davis girls , THEY NEVER SAW BRENNAN . and to add to that brennan said he attended the line up with police captain will fritz , fritz was asked about that ,was asked if that were true , and he replied I DOUBT THAT . there exists a document which lists ALL people that attended every line up , that is it names EVERYONE that was in the actual line ups (some were police ) every witness and in fact everyone in the line up room for each line up . brennans name is listed NOWHERE on that document . so we simply have no reason to accept that brennan ever identified oswald while oswald was alive AS THE MAN IN THE WINDOW . only after oswalds death did brennan say it was oswald . the warren commission was atleast some what honest in this regard , and they decided THEY COULD NOT RELY upon brennan and his supposed identification. further more there is no proof as we saw above that brennan was the source of the 12.45pm radio broadcast . had they investigated this and questioned him vigorously and honestly they would have lost brennan as a witness . and they needed him to say a man was in that window . as long as they had someone saying they saw a man in that window they could insist (if not prove ) that it was oswald . so the commission concluded that brennan only saw SOMEONE that he later believed to be oswald . lastly back to the witness that saw oswald leaving work . wes frazier the same man that drove oswald to work was stood on the steps outside the depository . frazier said ON FILM to gary mack that 5 to 10 minutes after the shooting that he saw oswald crossing houston street . the front door was not far from the corner . it was clear to frazier that oswald had left via the rear of the building via the loading dock area . he also said oswald wore a jacket . witnesses on the bus (assuming the man they saw was oswald ) said the man wore a jacket , and cab driver whalley also said that the man who walked up to his cab wore a jacket YET OSWALD WALKS IN TO HIS ROOMING HOUSE WEARING ONLY A SHIRT ? . the commission simply ignored these contradictions and said HE WORE THAT BROWN SHIRT , actually he did not wear the brown shirt in evidence , he was wearing a red shirt but thats another story . i cant recommend helmers fantastic videos more , please please view them all as they contain so much great info that you wont see in those biased one sided tv documentaries .
" but don't believe everything you read. Check the sources" Well that really was the point of me asking for it, wasn't it, which I thank you wholeheartedly for providing. Another good source (if you can get your mitts on some for beng largely out of print) are historical political intrigue fiction of the day (published between the mid 60s and early 70s) fom which one can quarry a vast amt of indirect info and powerfully revealing insight. That's just as important, if not much much more, also.
Howard Brennan gave Oswald's description to offficers outside the book despository building. The windows of the building are close to the floor, so you can see an almost complete figure if squatting in the window as Oswald was. This is based on the case evidence.
When English is your second language, mistakes will be made. As long as the content can be understood, give the man some credit for posting these videos for us!!
ABSOLUTELY
Robert MacNeil (yes that one, fromPBS) was NBC and ran into Oswald as he entered the depository looking for a phone to use as he was stuck. Oswald pointed to the door and told him where to find one
Several people boast they did. He nor anyone else truly knows however if they met LHO coming out.
Roy Truly is my Great Grandpa. Thanks for sharing this. We still have this on the film rolls.
That's neat because he's the one who said that Oswald was the only one missing from the building when there were at least a dozen or more others. How was he so sure that Oswald seem to be missing from the building if he hadn't searched the building or even gathered the remaining Workforce together to see who was missing. Which would be next to impossible to do in the remaining 7 minutes till 12:45 when they broadcast Oswald's description across the police frequencies.
How old was truly at the time of the assassination?
I remember my uncle charley saying " holly fuzz my cat was in oswalds burthole, was weird
Sorry Truly was either crooked or told what to say.
yea yea...and my mama was there workn that day too.
One can see that back in the day , Chief Jesse Curry was not able to explain how the description of the suspect was broadcasted so quickly. Chief Jesse Curry was protecting his behind. He was being told what to do and say from some big guy way high above him.
You jumped to nefarious conclusions.. The description was broadcast because a witness on the street, Howard Brennan, saw Oswald shooting from a sixth floor window. Brennan told a police officer what he saw. The officer called in the description. There's nothing insidious or conspiratorial about it. Curry didn't know at the time where the description came from. No plot "from some big guy."
I've always wondered, did Oswalds family get his pay check for the hours that he worked that day ?
Fun question. I like you.
Yes she did. She also got a share of the money Zapruder made on his film. She also got 100 dresses from Jeanne Legon DeMoranschilt
If I wrote a book based solely on eyewitness accounts and their later changed accounts I am sure it would prove Oswald was innocent, who done the actual shooting is another seperate story
I think the elevator doors were slatted, you could see in and out. The stairwell switchback was open. Somewhere I saw Jarman and Norman and one of them said they could hear shell casings falling to the floor above. If so then surely they heard the footsteps of whomever was occupying the 6th floor as they walked, ran, or hurried to either the stairwell or elevator. Don't you think you'd wanna peek over at that stairwell or elevator to see the boogeyman coming down from one floor above you. Boooh
Thank you, Helmer, informative and worthwhile.
What evidence proves Oswald did it?Oswald was found on the 2nd floor 90 seconds after the last shot.The rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 Mauser.The parafin test on Oswald was NEGATIVE which means he fired NO gun that day.JD Tippit was shot with an automatic,Oswald had a revolver.
Paraffin tests are not reliable. The Rifle found wasn't a 7.65 Mauser. One Officer said it looked like one
@@televisionarchivestudios1130 What about the spent cases found at the Tippit murder?
@@Rich6Brew What about it?
@@televisionarchivestudios1130 LOL!! “Not reliable” but flat assertions by crooked cops and Texas Big Oil Kennedy haters are? Oswald would never have been convicted in a court of law (only a CIA kangaroo court.)
@@HT-mt1hc The paraffin test does not detect gunpowder.
all facts point to oswald as a patsy.
No facts point to Oswald as a patsy.
If you read the whole story Roy Truly helped Ruth Paine set here CIA/Naval Intell Specialist Harvey Oswald and his family up. Truly took Officer Baker from the front of the building to the back entrance and power to both elevators was shut off. Truly knew the plot and yelled up the elevator shift to let the plotters know he was on the way up. Officer Baker met Lee Oswald who was the double for Harvey in the lunch room. If officer Baker had gone through the front door, he would have meet Harvey (the Patsy). Deputy Sherriff Roger Craig also saw the Oswald Double running from the rear of the building and he got into a Nash Rambler. Ruth Paine owned a 1952 Chevy Station Wagon.
Hilarious fiction
I always thought Ruth knew more than she let on . DPD needed a better interview with her as didn't she say she was grocery shopping ? But could not say where she was shopping at . Of course we will never know if any follow up was done as DPD didn't do much once LHO was killed . They seemed to act like the crime was solved .
@larrysproul9424 If Oswald had 0:03 lived to trial the case would have been declared a mis-trial because of the mishandling of evidence by Dallas PD
The soundtrack here is so appropriate. Ominous and disturbing.
It was Roscoe White described in the APB. The gun shown by police was White's 30/30 with side mounts. Oswald's Carcano had bottom mounts.
Read the book The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest. He interviewed a woman who worked at the TSBD. She stated she and two co-workers heard the shots come from above them from the sixth floor. She and a co-worker hurried down the back wooden stairs to see what had transpired. She said the stairs were old and creaky, and one could hear anyone on them from the second to the sixth floor. When she and the co-worker got on the stairs within about thirty seconds of the shots, she said there was no one below or above them on the stairs. The gist of her testimony means Oswald could not have fired the three shots and raced down the back stairs like authorities claim he did, and be calm and drinking a Coke when Officer Baker and Mr. Truly came in the snack room. The woman said she and her co-worker would have heard anyone coming down the stairs--and there was no one. Oswald was not the killer, the real shooter left the TSBD building via a different route. Oswald was CIA and when he learned the mission he was involved with had actually killed the president, he knew he was the patsy. Of course, the Warren Commission ignored the woman's testimony because it didn't fit the lone nut gunman story being spouted by the FBI and CIA. LBJ was the mastermind of the entire plot, but Dulles, Hoover, mobsters, and others all had their own piece to carry out No one but LBJ and Cliff Carter had all the pieces to the puzzle because they devised it. Phillip F. Nelson's book LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination is an incredible read and lays out just how sick of a sociopath LBJ was and how the various factions came together to kill President Kennedy. Oswald was CIA and was made to be the perfect patsy, just like he said he was before Jack Ruby was allowed to kill him on national television.
ONE HECK OF A FINE MESS
Look for:"Author on JFK assassination: Oswald had an airtight alibi' | Dan Abrams Live" where a co-worker (Geraldine Reed) of Oswald gave him change for a dollar to buy a Coke at the cafeteria. While she gave him the change, she heard the gunshots. Oswald was a CIA operative that the Warren Commission knew of but hid the information.
Her name was Victoria Adams, and she was wrong about how soon she and her co-worker Sandra Styles came down the stairs from the 4th floor after the shooting.
As the Warren Commission first started, Warren instructed the men to make sure Oswald was the lone shooter so the American public will stop the rumors of a conspiracy.
@@9Ballrhow do you know she was Wrong? Others saw Oswald in the lunchroom at 12:20-12:25, before the shooting. He also wasn’t out of breath when Truly and officer Baker saw him in the lunchroom immediately after the shooting.
I'm sure you're right ! I remember picking that up yrs ago thinking what a facinating detail that was ! Thanks a lot for that, I never knew !
No WAY IN HELL Oswald shot Kennedy with three shots in less than 7 seconds and then wiped the gun clean of all finger prints. Stashed the gun on the opposite side of the building and then ran down 4 flights of stairs in the time it took a police officer to walk up 1 flight of stairs
It wasn’t 7 seconds, it was more like 11. And his palm print was on the rifle. Sure, he could get down 4 flights in that time. He was the only one missing and oh yeah, so was his rifle from his garage. Case closed!!
@@JMC786
...and something sure motivated him to get out of the Depository building as quick as he could...and then SIX people voluntarily go to a police lineup and ID Oswald with a gun at the Tippit murder scene. As you said...CASE CLOSED.
Yes way.
He did it and did it alone..
@@RSTI191 Could Oswald have organised the following; When you put Babushka with Umbrella Man, a driver literally stopping, very thin crowd compared to before, a lack of security, plus agents already at the Grassy Knoll before everyone else as well as confiscated camera footage never revealed and add the washing of the car at Parkland then yeah you could say with a degree of certainty that this was not the work of Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone!
@@nickkabbabe1953
You forgot the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man..
I heard he had a hand in it as well before he attacked New York...
Good thing we have Ghostbusters
TSBD Vice President Ochus V. Campbell & Roy Truly were outside watching the motorcade parade. After the shooting they quickly went into the bldg & saw Oswald in the
storage room on the ground floor.
Ochus V. Campbell was present on the first floor during the encounter with Officer Baker
& Oswald. The WC moved it to the 2nd floor to be more convincing Oswald could've
made it ahead of Baker. Even the 2nd floor for Oswald to cover his tracks maneuvering
around stacks of boxes working his way to the stairs & run down 4 floors
unseen by others to the 2nd floor calm & relaxed ahead of Baker is reaching for the stars.
Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the lunchroom from 12:15 to 12:25 pm & then he was outside
as the motorcade turned on Elm.
Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the lunchroom there must have been two Oswalds he was what he said he was a Patsy
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4:40 Baker "From the time I heard the shots, ran into the building, got to the 2nd floor and saw Oswald there, I'd say it took me approx A MINUTE AND A HALF/TWO MINUTES." This COMPLETELY DESTROYS the "Oswald did it alone" theory folks ! It's IMPOSSIBLE that Oswald (or any other human being for that matter) could first of all run towards the WEST end of the Depository to hide the Mannlicher Carcano (in case you didn't know, that's where it was found hidden), then run back to the stairs (North), run down FOUR FLIGHTS of stairs (sixth floor to 2nd floor) and show up in the lunch room calm and composed IN 2 MINUTES !!! IMPOSSIBLE ! (Anyone in the comments trying to prove that it was is simply ignoring the facts (given by officer Baker who WAS THERE, unlike you) and the simple laws of logic).
Running downstairs is not like running upstairs.Oswald had plenty of time. In fact tested his time and said he could do it in about 20 seconds walking
Actually it can be done, I've seen it done.
@@aaronz7056😂😂😂 I bet you have Agent Scroter.
@@HandleThisSelection2 Aren't you that guy I've been soundly correcting time and time again?
@@aaronz7056 I'm certain you think so.
And yet, wrong again.
My two cents as to what happened. Oswald was a typical individual who was told, by some secret op group, to appear communist. That his mission was to make believe that he was a communist so that he could infiltrate communist groups. Meanwhile, believing this, he unknowingly set himself to take the fall. Someone of course aided him by planting all the evidence. At one point he realized that he was set up and took measures. Ruby was not the first choice to silence him, but after the first choice failed ruby was activated. All the evidence, testimony was taken in and anything that pointed to other than "lone nut theory" was destroyed/hidden/ignored. Anyone at a later date who made admissions was labeled loony. Kennedy was a pacifist and did not appear to follow the program that New World Order group wanted. While, from sourcing from various reading Kennedy did not appear to know the economics of international bankers but he may have began to understand some aspect of how they operate. Kennedy appointed Douglas Dillon as secretary of the treasury and Kennedy may have confided certain things in private that rose the suspicion of this group. This group have people everywhere.
The various problems with the evidence.
1) No chain of custody for oswald's rifle. Initially the rifle found at the Book depository was a Mauser. But the Carcano has "Made in Italy" and serial number inscription right on the rifle. How can police officers make such an obvious error? Also mystery as to how LHO acquire the rifle using a false name. How did he pick up the rifle from the post office. When and where did he mailed the money order for the rifle? When and where did LHO practice with the rifile, with the understanding that he had no car?
2) No Chain of custody on the hulls in the national archives.
3) Lack of preservation of the crime scene. A) Dealey Plaza people trampled all around the point of assassination to the degree that someone a day later found a piece of JFK head matter. B) Clothes were taken and destroyed. c) Limousine was allegedly taken immediately to be redone.
4) Witnesses ignored: A) John and Nellie Connally which claim that there were two separate shots the one that hit JFK in the throat and the one that hit John C.
B) George Burkley who was present at both the Parkland Hospital and the autopsy was largely ignored by the Warren Commission. Burkley was asked whether he agreed with the Warren Commission's view on the number of shots. Burkley's reply: "I would not care to be quoted on that."
4) Perhaps the most troubling evidence is the testimony by Parkland Doctors and some of the Bethesda Personal that claim a 5x7cm exit wound in back of JFKs head. New York Times reporter took testimony from Parkland Hospital doctors and wrote: "Later in the afternoon, Dr. Malcolm Perry, an attending surgeon, and Dr. Kemp Clark, chief of neurosurgery at Parkland Hospital, gave more details.
Mr. Kennedy was hit by a bullet in the throat, just below the Adam's apple, they said. This wound had the appearance of a bullet's entry.
Mr. Kennedy also had a massive, gaping wound in the back and one on the right side of the head. However, the doctors said it was impossible to determine immediately whether the wounds had been caused by one bullet or two."
5) Claims of same bullet doing to opposite things. One bullet CE399 traverse two bodies, Another bullets explodes JFKs head. supposedly leaving fragments in the wound and at least two external fragments CE567.
6) Has anyone duplicated the damage that the magic bullet did, while remaining relatively intact? Did anyone take the Carcano precisely in the condition that it was found in the sniper's nest and simulate the three shots?
We would like to let it go but we cannot. We cannot let go of a murder committed a long time ago if it was not the president. We cannot let go of the assassination of President Kennedy because this means that these powerful people are brazen enough to kill the president in broad daylight and get away with it are brazen enough to do far more damage. They are brazen enough to get away with stealing our gold in fort Knox, or carried out false flag operations. They are brazen enough to steer the military into conflicts which only benefits them. They are brazen enough to start race riots where millions could be killed. They are brazen enough for genocide to reduce the population. If the population is a problem, then there is are humane programs that could be implemented. JFK gave the space program a direction. Today the space program is dying. Too much money is going to pay off a phony debt. Too much money is going into the war machinery. Who are we suppose to conquer? Who is going to attack us?
Very well said argument. I agree with you it is so painfully obvious that this case is much more than a "crazed lonely gunman acted alone".
Oswald was involved in some kind of underground black OP and he took the role of the patsy in this case... there were other gunmen and high pro shooters!
Dont forget to take these shots you must be amazing or better!
Warren Commision? Well they were never about the truth they were for LBJ to calm down the public. A commission to investigate JFK's murder with Allen Dulles... well its obvious, they did not want to know the truth because they already knew it! Dulled was CIA. He knew everything. And he hated JFK like many others... they were jealous and full of hate towards JFK because he was successful, rich and popular and at last he made changes!
Thats why they killed him! They did not want to change! The change was equal to loose their jobs...lives, everything they owned and their power!
It was obvious they wont let it happen...they just had to kill JFK...so they did...
Kennedy was a pacifist? He was the one who escalated the terrorist invasion of south Vietnam. He supported the nutty domino theory of communism. He supported the 'Strategic Hamlet' program of forcing peasants into compounds.
I believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. But let's not make him into a Saint.
“Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
― Woodrow Wilson
What power could control
1) The media, including television
2) Set up war games to mimic the attack and confuses the billions of dollar USA defense systems?
3) Bring down buildings in a controlled demolition, and be able to use television to convince many people that it was fire that brought them down through the power of suggestion?
4) Control the congress, the senate and the subsequent presidents and avoid a real investigation?
5) Control the military and use 9/11 to attack countries that had nothing to do with 9/11?
6) Keep evidence from public scrutiny under the guise of national security.
7) Failed in response as the attacks were occurring and no one was reprimanded, or fired, but many were promoted. All the tops chiefs were AWOL during the attacks.
8) No preservation of the crime scene. NIST did not bother to test for explosives because they claim that no explosions could be heard.
More and more 9/11 truth videos on you tube are getting relentlessly hit with government sycophants, and even cointelpro shills. They will try and suggest that the buildings did not fall at free fall speed, or that they did not fall symmetrically. Or that there was no molten metal despite the pictures and footage. On one hand they will tell you that the jetliners could cause disastrous damage on one scene but on another scene they are okay when the damage was minimal. They are at the opposite extreme of those individuals claiming that there were no planes and what we saw were holograms. It appeals that they are extreme theories for the purpose of obfuscating the truth. The fact that the media is interviewing the hologram people can be interpreted to mean that they intend to bring doubt to viable non-official theories by relating it to obviously faulty theories. My suggestion is believe in what you see and call it out, dont let the government sycophants and their cartoon physics tell you otherwise.
Joe Smith You're right about that, also he presided over a large escalation nuclear weaponry. But this was the prevailing view at the time and JFK also knew that he could not have been elected as a pacifist.
But the Cuban Missile Crisis among other incidents helped him to see the insanity of this path of nuclear proliferation and destruction. JFK did change his pov over time and that is documented not only in his correspondences with Khrushchev and their mutual effort to complete the first arms control agreement between the two nations. This was an unprecedented effort for both men and did not endear them to the hardliners in both countries.
Of course he was no saint. But he was politically quite a different man at the end of his life.
That is correct.
This is a Huge set of facts I've never heard before. Thank you. The sheer massive coincidence of the 2 weapons arriving the same day when each was ordered at different times is incredible.
The untraceable nature of the payment is telling.
But most significant for me is the insight into the conspirators time line. (Not Oswald, he was a patsy).
The actual conspirators planning must have started in late 61 or early 62 at the latest.
This begs the question what set of actions did Kennedy take early in his presidency which started the plan to assassinate him?
This site has fantastic factual reports, thank you.
Oswald might have been a scapegoat but he was no patsy. Oswald was definitely an American intelligence asset at the very least. While in jail he tried to call 2 numbers. One for a John D Hurt and another for a John W Hurt. John D Hurt was a former Army counter intelligence agent. But Victor Marchetti of the CIA said that John D Hurt was not Oswald’s handler, John Hurt was what’s known as a cutout man. So Oswald’s handler tells Oswald “if you’re in trouble call John Hurt and he’ll know to tell me you’re in trouble” so Oswald not knowing John hurt, goes to the phone book, finds two numbers for John Hurt, and memorizes them both. It’s classic CIA spycraft you never call your handler directly because it leaves a trail.
Also Oswald’s mother always claimed that her son worked for the United States government.
@@jamesbaka1206 Yeah right, Lee delivered mail for one day.
@@jamesbaka1206 Oswald never called Hurt. 1970, Hurt admitted to conspiracy theory author David Lifton, that he made what was in effect a prank call while intoxicated, a call that by the way, did not go through, according to the switchboard operator.
@@stddisclaimer8020 according to the switchboard operator, Oswald tried to call 2 numbers. One was for John D Hurt and the other for John W Hurt. Oswald could not have been making a prank call or intoxicated because the call happened when Oswald was in jail the night before he was killed. It was a call coming in from the jail, as Oswald’s one phone call. The call didn’t go through because government officials told the switchboard operators not to let Oswald’s call go through. The operator who recorded the call was names was Alveeta Treon and her switchboard partner was Louise Swinney. Look up “Lee Harvey Oswalds final phone call” by Dr Proctor and Jim Mars. There’s no way Oswald isnt intelligence
There is NO evidence of a conspiracy. Oswald acted alone. This case is closed.
Good interview, but just to point out, the dispatcher didn't say Lee was armed with a .30-30 rifle specifically; he said he was thought to be armed with "a thirty caliber rifle." Thirty caliber generically covers a number of calibers such as .30-30, 7.62x51mm and the infamous 7.65mm Mauser among others.
Right.. why in the hell would you sniper someone out at your place of work and then LEAVE your rifle and bullet casings behind!? Makes no damn sense whatsoever.. and he obviously didn't want credibility or recognition for it.. he wasn't seeking attention for an impossible shot that if was true that person would brag about such a shot I would imagine. he denied it.. in the calmest manner after such an unbelievably crazy ass act saying what happened! I'm a patsy! And he was. If it would have went to trial.. lawyers that investigated it says he would've been found Not GUILTY. wake up people!
Not to mention the "magic bullet" found on the gurney not looking like it's never been fired!? I mean.. come on people. There's way too much facts that point to conspiracy. I think it's a conspiracy within a conspiracy.. for another conspiracy! Figure that out..
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Could you imagine being in the Oswald jury trial of killing officer tippet an some witnesses said they saw Oswald running away an others say they saw 2 men running away. Are you kidding what would you do with that. The fact that Oswald was shot in police station by a night club Mafia friend an Dallas police buddy tells you just no way it was a lone wolf Oswald 3 shots 6 floo
The route was in the papers as mohican19831 told you.
Oswald begin working at the TSBD on october 16, 1963.
He was hired by Roy Turly.
@1:10 Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly ran down four flights of stairs and started eating his lunch and bought a Coke from the vending machine, calmly and seemingly without running out of breath.
Opposite side of the building also.....
wait you mean eating the lunch he was never seen with that morning by the infamous Buell or Wesley or whatever he goes by this year....
@@dustyflair some employees also said LHO was out on Elm st for a bit before he had the Coke in the lunch room.
@@jenniferw4068 it's just as likely I shot JFK all by myself than did LHO all alone
@@dustyflair I believe LHO was a low level intelligence asset. He gets a hardship discharge from the Mar8nes and 3 days later flies to Moscow on a $1500 ticket with $300 in his bank account. He was chosen well in advance to play the patsy part. George DeMohrensheid and Ruth and Michael Payne were his CIA handlers.
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Turly just reacted like any officer in a crisis would: he acted first and thought later. It just seemed reasonable to look for a person who was at the scene of the crime and later went missing. Of course he probably assumed Oswald would be nearby, but as an officer he needed to find that missing person.
Truly wasn't the officer, Baker was. Just wanted to clear that up. But this was 10 years ago, so you probably don't care anymore. 🤷♀
M L Baker was my great uncle he is passed on now he only talked about this incident in private a couple times,it has always been a family secret.
Was it true he was supposed to be guarding and escorting President Kennedy at his front side of the limo then his position was changed to behind the last press car?
Oswald's name didn't become primary to local police seeking a suspect until a phone call was made from the offices of Bell Helicopter in Forth Worth; a call made from the offices where Michael Paine worked...Michael being the husband of Ruth Paine, the woman with whom Marina Oswald was living at the time. The call from Bell specifically stated the name Lee Harvey Oswald. Another likewise call emanated from the Dallas FBI office as well as another from the local military district. Shit, talk of a fucking setup as well as an aftermath becoming quite readily a cluster fuck! After all, LHO was supposed to have been nailed as the assassin within minutes of the Dealey Plaza shooting. Instead, JD Tippit, among others, are hastily and in a state of near panic meandering about Oak Cliff seeking the elusive Lee. The man who shot Tippit, Gary Marlow, was supposed to have already taken care of Oswald and when confronted by Tippit, well...you guys figure out the rest. Clue; Both understood in a second or two that one or both was in a world of shit and that one had to die.
I can say one thing I have figured out from your post.......it is total nonsense.
The call came in at 12:44...it's available for review.
+White_Rook
Old Willie has a problem with the wacky tobacky but the old boy sure can sing.
@mohican D H Byrd owned the TSBD in 1963. A close friend of LBJ, he also helped to start the Civil Air Patrol. Barry Seal, David Ferrie and PHO were in the CAP together.
Wow, these people are more interconnected than you'd think.
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 yes look at the photos as proof civil air patrol 1955
you picked perfect music to this!
Eery and spooky like the federal government.
Oswald was at the movies
One of them was
He went to the theatre afterwards and got into a battle with cops.
There is also a tremendous amount of interesting, useful background details about Oswald and that day in his Wikipedia bio.
Funny thing about Oswald, going by his radio and TV interviews and people that knew him, Oswald was OBSESSED with politics, (Michael Paine said he ONLY talked about politics) yet the day that the President is driving by his place of work, he claims not even bother to attempt to look at the motorcade, then after the shots have been fired, doesn't even bother to stick around out of even curiousity that there has just been a shooting right where he is.
Thanks Helmer. By this account Oswald had an alibi as his co-workers testify that they saw him at lunch at time JFK shot and still there when cop questioned him.
Carolyn Arnold came out in 1978 and claimed she saw Oswald in the lunch room 10 - 15 mins before the event
Less than 10 minutes.
Movie employees don't call the cops when they catch someone sneaking in, they simply make sure the person leaves so your comment is being rogered "loud and clear." Jack Ruby is the man who ensured that 50 years later we still have no single account which is universally accepted.
And we never will.
10.Bullethole through the freeway sign
11.bullethole through windshield
12.dent in rearview mirror
13.bullethole in chrome moulding above dash
14.Motorcycle officer said a 45 slug bounced off his fender and rolled into street
I'm forgetting one
60 grams of bullet fragments found in the car plus fragments in JFK and Connally
40 years later I can see this.
There were bullets flying everywhere
at least 3 teams of shooters.
That's why the TSBD shooter did not shoot when he had a good shot with the car coming towards him,he had to wait for the crossfire position.
oh please...
My Uncle worked at TSBD with Oswald. He saw Oswald and informed him that the President had been shot, Oswald winked at him and said he was going to go catch a movie...
Oswald requested elevators so he could tie them up upstairs.
Objection!
Starting at 26 seconds the text says:
"Finding that both elevators were on an upper floor, they took the stairs to the 2nd floor. There the met a man in the lunchroom. He was standing calmly drinking a coke."
Nope. Whoever made this video did not do their homework. In no statement ever provably spoken or handwritten by him did Roy Truly ever say Oswald was holding any type of soda bottle, and in fact he specifically said that Oswald was not holding any type of object in either of his hands. And in no statement *provably* spoken or handwritten by Marrion Baker did he ever say that Oswald was holding any type of soda bottle either, and instead he also said that Oswald was holding no object of any type in either of his hands. There is a single document from a year after the assassination, dated September 23, 1964, in which it has been *mistakenly* claimed that Baker wrote "drinking a coke" and crossed it out, but that is not Baker's handwriting. The origin of the "drinking a coke" myth comes from two Washington Post reporters, Lawrence Stern and Alfred E. Lewis, who accidentally conflated Baker's and Truly's statements with the statement of Carolyn Reid, a secretary in the TSBD, who said she saw Oswald carrying a soda bottle when she walked through her office *after* the lunchroom encounter; Stern and Lewis got confused and mistakenly assumed that he had bought the soda before Baker and Truly saw him when in fact it's more likely that he bought it after they left the lunchroom and continued up the stairs.
And notice how in the very filmed interviews with them included in this video neither Baker or Truly said a word about Oswald having any object of any type in either of his hands when they first saw him in the lunchroom.
Correct. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story.
@@9Ballr Yep. And this is an example of one of the primary ways misinformation gets spread on the internet. Someone makes a provably false claim in a UA-cam video, but since the average person doesn't bother to carefully investigate the original primary source of the claim, they mistakenly believe that what is said in the video is "true" and then mindlessly share it with others who then mindlessly share it with others who then mindlessly share it with others and so on and so forth.
Ok, let’s say he wasn’t drinking a coke when Baker saw him. Oswald was still in the lunch room almost immediately after the 3rd shot and wasn’t out of breath. Two women never heard or saw him on the stairs. One woman said he was in the lunchroom at 12:20. He also didn’t fire a weapon that day. Someone fired a gun from the TSBD, but not Oswald.
@@stevestroh2267 "Ok, let’s say he wasn’t drinking a coke when Baker saw him. Oswald was still in the lunch room almost immediately after the 3rd shot and wasn’t out of breath."
Define "almost immediately." The figure most often given is 90 seconds after the final shot was fired, and both Marrion Baker and Roy Truly admitted that it could have been longer than that. A person moving at an average speed of 3 miles per hour (4.4 feet per second) which is little more than average walking speed for adult humans could have made it from the so-called "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor to the second floor lunchroom in only 68 seconds, and that *includes* stashing the rifle where it was later found among those boxes close to the stairwell. I'm more than twice as old as Oswald was and I've walked that same distance in that same amount of time without being even slightly out of breath. Now true, I hadn't done anything like shooting anyone and wouldn't be in a state of excitement, but even then, being out of breath is something that is quite easy to conceal for a mere 30 seconds or so, which according to Baker was the total amount of time that he observed Oswald in the lunchroom.
"Two women never heard or saw him on the stairs."
Those two women were Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles and there is plenty of evidence that more likely than not they simply came within sight of the stairway a little too late to see him descending. He could have quite easily been no more than 30 seconds ahead of them and they would have missed hearing or seeing him. I have discussed this evidence in detail many times and can easily do so again now if you'd like.
You are also making a gigantic, glaring omission:
If Oswald wasn't the shooter, that means both woman *also* missed hearing and seeing the *real* shooter coming down the stairs too.
Oops.
"One woman said he was in the lunchroom at 12:20."
You are saying that in a misleading and partly inaccurate way. You seem almost certainly to be talking about Carolyn Arnold (later Mrs. Carolyn Johnston) and if so she gave several inconsistent and contradictory claims. She said that when she and others left the office to go outside to watch the motorcade she saw Oswald on her way out. But she was extremely inconsistent about what time this was. On different dates she gave various times for leaving the office, from as early as "between 12:00 and 12:15 PM" to as late as "about 12:25 PM." Also in her earliest statements she said she saw Oswald standing in the hallway on the first floor, not in the lunchroom. The very first time she is known to have said that he was in the lunchroom was not until 1978, approximately 15 years after the assassination, and this contradicts her more contemporaneous claim that he was standing in the hallway. Also her claim of seeing Oswald on the way out is completely uncorroborated by even one of the several other people who left the office at the same time she did and went outside at the same time she did. Not one of those other people ever said they saw Oswald, in the lunchroom or anywhere else, on the way out. And in fact Carolyn Arnold Johnston remains, to this very day, the one and only TSBD employee who ever, ever claimed to have seen Oswald eating lunch that day.
In any location.
And as I've already said, she did not say this for the first time ever until 1978.
"He also didn’t fire a weapon that day."
Where on earth are you getting this from? You have no possible way of knowing for certain that he "didn't" fire a weapon that day.
"Someone fired a gun from the TSBD, but not Oswald."
And your proof of this is, what, exactly?
@1:34 So Truly was part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald by telling police he had left when he couldn't be certain (even though we know LHO had left by then), yet when officer Baker confronts Oswald on the 2nd floor Truly vouches for him allowing him to flee? Only a genius could come up with this hypothesis
It's ok, he works here. Clearly only a non-employee could have shot the president.
1 thing always gets me...this cop, runs into the building...but they don't lock the building down..till...15 minutes later
Good 1 they had to wait till LBJ hit man Wallace could sneak out ...my guess. Or even a Mafia sniper part of the night before plan that many researchers have evidence of big wigs LBJ Texas oil military money etc
Well I maintain that Ossie most likely was nothing but the fall guy duped & set up to facililate an expedient quick closure. The very fact that Jack shot him at such close point blank range betrays this instantly. As said before, Ossie knew too much or enough to eventually lead to a bust from vigorous investigation of lots of topkicks in significant command of things. Now whether Oz pulled a trigger or not is hard to say, still, but that's really besides the point, isn't it? Just an accomplice.
You conspiracy theorists are truly desperate to convince yourselves that there was a conspiracy. A truly terrifying example of how people can be so easily lead through the darkness, regardless of how the bright light of truth is shinning down upon them.
It seems to have not shinned upon YOU.
Well put Jay. A lot of malfunctioning brains out there. Sad.
Wasn't the motorcade running late as well?
Yes, 5 mins late
@@aethanfriday3568 they were waiting on the green light so they can get the kill shot it was a turkey shoot
@@user-xw6vz1hl7y that's right, they were....its so obvious this was a well planned coup, I don't understand WC apologists
Closer to 15.
@@ernestkovach3305 not trying to split hairs but wasn't the arrival at the trade mart scheduled for 1230?
I’ve always wondered what would have happened next if Oswald just simply stayed in the building with everyone else. Would they have eventually connected him to it?
Yes, because once they found the rifle they traced it back to Oswald through his alias Alex Hidell. They knew who he was the day they arrested him because he was charged with killing the President at 11:26 pm that same evening.
@DennisSmith099
Simple. Olswald (unbenownst to him) was the patsy of it all. He was the cosen fall guy to take the rap for whoever was really responsible for the plot. (Why do you think Jack Ruby made sure to shoot him close up at point blank range to shut him up forever? Lee had way too much to say if he started to crack that would eventually get some highly important people in certain US Governmet depts. in hot scalding water). Like to make sure Pasty Lee would get the noose
Carolyn Arnold saw LHO sitting down on the 2nd floor lunchroom when she went to get a drink of water LHO was eating.
Oswald may have had something to do with it. But he wasn’t the only one. I’m sure that there was 3-4 other people to make it happen!
First slide type 'three shot" to 'shots'. Sort of takes the edge off the ominous music
The motorcade route was published 3 days before in Dallas news Papers. Oswald Applied to the TSBD because Ruth Paine 's neighbourgh's brother worked there and she knew there was some work opportunity. She advised Oswald to apply. Lee Harvey Oswald 's wife was living in ruth paine's house. How mysterious is that?
Marinas uncle was kgb. Ruth's husband worked for bell helicopter.
Oswald was not "standing calmly drinking a coke" when Baker encountered him. Baker testified that Oswald was walking away from him and that he had nothing in his hands. I think as Oswald was coming down the stairs he heard Truly and Baker coming up from the first floor, so he tried to duck into the second floor lunchroom but didn't make it through the door before Baker saw him.
Prosecutor: Mr. Truly, have you ever brought a rifle/firearm into the TSBD?
Stupid question.
Most people's behavior upon hearing shots at Dealey Plaza: confusion, fear, dismay, curiosity.
Oswald's behavior: time to buy a coke, then an urgent need to go window shopping for shoes, then on to a movie.
@Noumenon: Oswald never drank Cokes, only Dr. Pepper. He needed shoes as much as he needed "curtain rods." He never intended to see "a movie," as he snuck into the theater (without paying) not to watch a film but to elude the authorities.
we will never know the truth, it will always be a mystery.
Not so.
All of the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository building. If you think that Oswald did not do it, then why did so many people including this officer look up at the building during and after the shooting? Why did Oswald run? It was proven by doctors that the wound in Kennedy's neck came from the back. As for the fatal shot, well, that did not come from the front. The area behind the picket fence had no escape route. That area was almost completely surrounded by railroad tracks and the only two roads leading out, would have led to blocked off streets to guess where? The Texas School Book Depository. That entire area was blocked off for the motorcade. It would have takin up to two minutes to get there anyway, and after shots were fired, no one was getting out. No second gunman. Oswald acted alone.
no , the fatal shot came from the front, no doubt about that
@@marikafasola3780 There's no evidence that shows any shots came from the front.
LC Esthersar.....Easy to answer? How on earth can anybody give a detailed description of someone pretty much kneeling sideways through a window which would be darker than outside? How would you know anyones weight when you cant see the entire body or for that matter their height when he was supposed to have knelt to shoot. Even if he was stood up smack bang in front of the window, it would have been hard to judge his height or weight as the diagonal from ground level to window would obscure some of his legs.
If reports are to be believed about the "snipers nest" then Oswald was in a crouched position resting the rifle on boxes. If this man saw him in the act of shooting what could he actually see? A man side on, crouching with half a face hugging a rifle through 1 of dozens of windows. Just look at a modern picture of the building and tell me if you really think you could give a good description of a man on the same floor in similar circumstances. It would be hard enough even if you knew in advance just to look there and had a fair amount of time to memorise every detail.
I definitely think Oswald was involved in some way but no way did he act alone. I am not a "conspiracy buff" or anything near but I try to keep an open mind and weigh up everything before coming to conclusions. Several people said they heard at least 1 shot and saw smoke at the grassy embankment why are they any less credible witnesses than Howard Leslie Brennan?
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Just for the record, you never did answer any of my questions.
Here's Brennan's sworn testimony, which, if you had read, you would not have assumed that Oswald was "crouching":
jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan.htm
"So, my questions are 'irrational' which don't deserve to be answered, while yours are perfectly 'rational' which deserve an answer."
That's by far the most rational sentence you've written.
Correction on the "lone nut theory," though -- it's the "lone nut conclusion." which cannot legitimately be discredited.
Geoffrey Johnstone, the other thing that LC seems to have left out is that in the Warren Report Brennan was not able to make a positive ID of Oswald. The WC states that Brennan "identified Oswald as the person in the lineup who bore the closest resemblance to the man in the window but he said that he was unable to make a positive identification."
Not a very conclusive identification. If they had Billy Lovelady in the line up he might have ID'd him too.
Well I thought he must be kneeling to shoot as they suggested he had piled boxes up to rest on. If you look at pictures of the nest it shows boxes near the window and if he used them to rest the gun on he must have been kneeling.
I suppose you believe that all the assassinations in the 60s were lone nuts just looking for attention
Also there is only the bottom part of the window open in all photos and films just prior to the shooting....as the floor on the inside of the window is barely a foot below the window bottom then he has to be crouching or kneeling otherwise he has to fire through the window at the top and there was no broken window
U tube pulled the video of the forensic pathologist...the head wound only made sense if it was an upward trajectory shot....from the fatal wound he determined the shot was fired from the sewer opening when the limo came to a complete stop per signal from umbrella man and raised fist man...killer was an air force sniper named jack alan lawrence...zapruder was in line with the fatal shot...as was his wife...Babuska woman on the infield grass area adjacent to the limo...Oswald was given a Dallas police uniform by Rubenstein at 02:45 am in Irvine tx...oswald drove there in a Rambler Nash and returned to Ruth Paine's home to fetch a pair of dark trousers to go with the Dallas police uniform...must have been told by Rubenstein he could escape Dallas wearing that uniform...what he was told about his role at the TBD is unclear...lookout who signalled the arrival of the presidential motorcade to the spotters..umbrella man and raised fist man...raised fist is a signal to stop when spotting a vehicle....both men sat on the curb calmly and used a walkie talkie following the fatal shot.
Based on Truly’s comments, he and Baker entered the TSBD just seconds after the third shot. No way Oswald could get from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor and be standing calmly in the lunchroom.
ha-ha, yeah they sort of ambushed him in that debate, but he handled himself fairly well.
I particularly like his first question & answer radio interview with Bill Stuckey. He handles those random questions with such depth and detail. You probably know this already, but Ed Butler (I believe the producer of the radio interview) called it "the most effective presentation of the Castro argument I had ever heard"
Oswald tested negative to a parafin test.....just saying..
Their highly inaccurate, courts won't even use them.
Perhaps a simple explanation, when he got to his room he washed his hands and face.
Misleading video. Events happened very quickly. Police broadcast description of man that was immediately provided by witness who had seen man firing rifle from 6th floor. The description was broadcast three times before 1 o'clock. Oswalds name not suspected until later. Truly asked about Oswald's whereabouts and asked his boss, O. V. Campbell if they should tell police who later wanted Oswald for questioning but within an hour of that Oswald was arrested and in possession of the revolver used to murder Dallas Police Officer Tippit.
Carolyn Arnold same day signed affidavit saying she thought she might have caught a "fleeting glimpse" of Oswald on the first floor fifteen or twenty minutes before the shooting. She said she did not see Oswald at the time of the shooting. The video falsely claims Oswald was drinking a coke when Officer Baker encountered him but Baker actually said Oswald had nothing in his hands and was on the vestibule of the lunchroom with his back towards the officer. Oswald was shortly thereafter observed with a coke from the lunchroom as he passed by another employee as he passed through an office. All this is easily checked.
@Oldgoldtop: When the Warren Commission counsel asked Marrion Baker if, when he saw Oswald, Oswald was “carrying anything in his hands,” Baker answered, “He had nothing at that time.” Oswald’s statement (lie) to Captain Fritz that he “was on the 2nd floor drinking a Coca-Cola when the officer came in” became so famous and written about that Officer Baker himself would later have to catch himself for buying into it. For, in a 9-23-64 handwritten statement he gave to the FBI, he wrote.” I saw a man standing in the lunchroom drinking a coke.” But Baker immediately crossed out the words ‘’drinking a coke” and placed his initials above those crossed-out words. Baker’s credibility in this matter couldn’t be any better. After all, if he were trying to implicate Oswald, he obviously would have never told the Warren Commission that Oswald was calm and collected when he (Baker) first encountered him. But in the final analysis, the whole Coke biz is nothing other than a red herring.
@ 7:43 is a side road called elm st, which is where greer almost turned into & over corrected the car sharply, thats why in the Towner film you see jfk sitting in his seat then suddenly he is next to jackie & then right over the right side of the car in a split second in the film, which is the part where they edited that part out & you can see the front wheels of gg--300 pointing sharply to the right as well & then pointing straight ahead, yet the car has not reached the part where the front wheel would be straight ?
What are your thoughts on why it was edited?
@@aethanfriday3568 to hide the turn on elm st and how thee secret service almost turned down the wrong road, plus to hide the truth of what really happened and how jfk was killed, the only thing which is true jfk was killed in a crossfire full stop, L H OSWALD did not fire a weapon that day at all, no forensic evidence to support tippet or jfk even cpt fritz said they dont have enough on jfk or tippet, but lee was charged for tippet and then later on jfk?
@7071t6 yeah man, im with you on all of it, ive been obsessed with this and 9/11 for yearrrrs. Two state sponsored false 🚩🚩 that have changed this country for the worst beyond words. Oswald was a provocateur, and probably ONI or CIA asset, and/or FBI informant. Its crazy to me that someone can study the two cases and not see it for what it is. People say "no ones that evil?!" Or "why would anyone do such a thing?!" Or "not in this country " or blah blah blah. Well I say these people havent studied history, because shits a whole lot darker when you dig and don't just believe the Rockefeller indoctrination garbage thats thrown at you K through 12. Thank you for your courage to say whats true and real, it seems rare these days! God bless
@7071t6 also, I wish Clint Hill would get honest before he passes. I know he has accurately described the head wound in certain interviews and also towed the line in others. On the whole he just goes with the governments story, but he knows damn well what happened and he was no doubt staring at JFKs head when the back blew out and all over the trunk and officer Hargis...he could set the record straight and literally drop a bombshell on the world before he passes.
I dont think he will, he probably has committed for some personal reason or another, but i can dream
@@aethanfriday3568 my thoughts eaxctly..
When you’re running a conspiracy, you always choose your Patsy first. That’s why they released description of Lee without any basis whatsoever.
how could Oswald be so calm and quiet and not out of breath 🤔, walk away, take a City Bus, and a Cab home, suddenly decide to get his pistol shoot a Cop and duck into a theater near you and wait for things to cool off, if in fact he just figured out he himself was being set up and it was too late, that's why 👁
Cause he knew he was gone take the fall...yet was pose been paid well and his body double was to pull his time while his family moved back over seas and lived a rick life! Didn take him long to relize he been double crossed and they didn't grab up his body double that was planted perfect he panicked and hadbto shoot the cop...while the double watched! To Many know "other" details for the WC be more than fictional story at best!
Incredible isn't it....LHO was sure one busy dude that day.....right?
Who really killed JFK? Was it the CIA or FBI? And who did the shooting in Las Vegas? So similar.
So we are supposed to believe Oswald spent all that time up there. and after the shots, cleaned his prints off rifle and then ran through the streets after shooting Tipoet? Making it to the movie theatre and all in such short time? Not plausible.
Lee was a patsy in the whole program. He knew it when he hit the cafeteria, best bet the movie theater was his meeting place with his handlers
He was looking for his contact, hence he kept changing seats, but there was no contact, it was a trap.
@Bomboy Fred 'Oswald' was never on the 6th floor, he was working on the first (ground floor in uk), Mrs Robert Reid aka Jeraldean, stated she saw Oswald on 2nd floor wearing a white t-shirt - this was the real Oswald. Also, Billy Lovelady, wearing a red & brown check shirt over white t-shirt was a contractor laying new flooring on the 6th floor. Lovelady looked very similar to the 'Oswald' Patsy and can be seen standing on the steps of TSBD in the Altgens photo.
@Bomboy Fredthis is a very interesting clip, several people were arrested ua-cam.com/video/1tsR8PGx2ZE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/9JtzIs6BUNo/v-deo.html
@Bomboy Fred have you got a link please, it's not coming up.
LHO fired three bullets in approximately 11.2 seconds (per Max Holland research) killing Kennedy and wounding Connolly. LHO fled the building and caught a bus , then a cab ride to his rooming house where he put on a short coat and obtained his pistol and approximately 14-15 minutes later he shot five bullets (per Dale K. Myers research) killing Officer J. D. Tippit and then LHO was arrested in the Texas movie theater where he tried to shoot Officer McDonald with the same gun he used to kill Tippit. The gun contained two different brands of bullets and he was found with five more bullets in one of his pockets when he was searched at the Police Department. A note that LHO had written to his wife was later found that gave instructions to Marina as to what she was to do if he was killed or arrested from a April 1963 attempt to assassinate retired General Walker. Marina testified under oath to the Warren Commission that LHO told her that he tried to kill Walker with one bullet fired from his rifle and that he ran away and hid the rifle near some railroad tracks and then he rode a bus home. No credible evidence has ever been found to disprove that LHO was the only person responsible for killing JFK and Tippit, wounding Connolly and trying to kill Walker and McDonald.
Correct.
@uranorexic My, My, temper, temper. Actually yes I was at the 6th floor museum a week and a half ago actually. And FYI I've shot competition and hunted with bolt action rifles for years. It's practically impossible to fire 3 aimed bolt-action shots in the time the Warren comission suggested Oswald took, at a moving target through heavy foliage (Ever noticed the Texas live oak tree with all the leaves blocking Oswalds view??) Matter of fact, I have my doubts that you've even been to dealey Plaza?
Agreed Jamie. I too, came to the same conclusion. I was considered an expert with firearms and ran shooting ranges for the military.
How would Oswald know that the parade was going through daly plaza??
@Domenico Zagari: The motorcase route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination. And Oswald first read of it a day later. "Twas a crime of impulse and opportunity.
@@stddisclaimer8020 Bulshit, the giuda started to kill the Cristian kennedy from ww2.
@@domenicozagari2443 The fact is that the motorcade route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination, in both Dallas newspapers. And Oswald first read of it a day later. "Twas a crime of impulse and opportunity.
Exactly...I love rational people like you ! You could not be more right ! Not only could they have killed him, thet would've been in the right to do so...especially once they realized that he was indeed the one that just shot one of their men. You know, all of these yrs studying this case that's a point I never even looked at ! Man, they must have showed great restraint to not shoot him.
Previously, I'd seen reports that the lifts in the TSBD were NOT working on this fateful day, yet here there's no mention of THAT & it seems they were working, as has been confirmed by video I've seen of police in the building using these lifts.
Oswald didn't do this, period
LHO was a patsy....fact!
@@solsunson262 And what the hell can Oswald say-"I've been working INTEL since I entered the USMC": TO WHOM? The Dallas p.d.??
Are you aware 7 months before Kennedy Oswald attempted to kill General Edwin Walker -a staunch anti-communist. He did not suceed Just Sayin
@@lifetimes2983 Pure speculation- If one concedes the argument that Oswald was framed, it doesn't make sense for him being allowed to take potshots at a nut job general.... anyway I believe Oswald when he said he had never seen that rifle before
@@lifetimes2983 Oswald's trip to USSR was probably as a CIA operative
That is how serious are their reseach!!! And one of them told me I didn't know the case well!!!
I don't see how this ever gets fully cleared up.
Oswald very well may have been involved in some parts of the murder of a great man kennedy but theres no way he was the only guy involved.
Pal it's 2021.. still nobody charged.
Give it up will ya.
OSWALD- end of story
If you a referring to Roger Craig...he said that the shells in the Depository were "in a straight line not more than and inch apart" NO police or media sealed in the building could corroborate that nonsense.
He said Oswald mentioned the Paine station wagon, AGAIN, no corroboration.
He said Oswald left the TSBD (A SEALED CRIME SCENE) 15 minutes after the shooting, but with uniform police and plain clothes cops flooding Dealey Plaza at that point does he yell for backup?...does he give chase? NO!
When I claim something I always give you a reference (who made that claim and where you can find this testimony). You said zillion time that the FBI di not believe Oswald pulled the trigger,, but you NEVER cited where that source came from, and where I could see or hear it myself.
" 2 Men in Dallas " another very good watch
I'm still thinking Oswald ran in fear when the cops arrived, I think he knew something was going down and left the building, I also think he knew what, one of his statements was "I'm just a patsy", a quick fall guy.
He said he was a patsy in relation to once having lived in Russia. He didn't say he thought he was a patsy being set up to be framed for the assassination of the President of the United States by a treasonous coup.
@@aaronz7056 Very smart answer 👍
This is a very informative video of the time frames people saw Oswald. So he was seen on the first floor at 12:25pm so he had to find his way back up to the snipers lair to fire three shots in succession at 12:30pm and rush down to be seen approx 12:31:30 by Roy Truly and Officer Baker calmly sipping a soda. Oswald and 15 other TSBD workers were missing when a headcount was done and a police bulletin put out over the radio shortly thereafter with an approx description of Lee Harvey Oswlad.
1:05pm he was seen at the Texas Star movie theatre, the same time Officer Tippit was seen murdered. For failing to pay for his movie ticket 15 police cars and FBI agents rushed to the cinema, but casually approached him as they were slowly checking the other 20 odd movie goers. The plan was for Oswald to make a run for it from the movie viewing area to the foyer where he was to be shot and killed, unfortunately Oswald didn't run but did resist arrest in his movie seat and was armed with a revolver which had a faulty firing pin which FBI analyst reported could not have been fired by Oswald or anyone that day. A different type of shell casings for an automatic handgun were found at Tippit's murder scene. A black female witness said she saw a short solid built man with bushy black hair shoot tippit and throw the gun to another man identified as tall and thin.
Oswald was neither tall, nor solidly built and did not have bushy hair.
His Police line up was standing beside two teenagers and a Mexican. none of which fit the original police radio call about a suspect. Why were these other males suitably dressed as opposed to Oswald looking disheveled and bruises and cuts (an obvious standout).
Also, if as some say Marina told Lee Oswald that she didn't want to reconcile, why then did she accompany police to see Oswald in the Dallas Police Station and bother to bring him a jacket etc as he only had on a white t-shirt?
Speaking of the line ups, Oswald was also put in a line up with Dallas Police detectives in business suits who were older and taller and heavier than Oswald. Oswald was also asked to step forward and announce where he worked, when everyone knew about the TSDB because it had been all over the news the previous days.
When they seen osw as Oswald was missing they knew he was the suspect what's the mystery how they got the description out quickly
That´s what I was just thinking...Truly does not see Oswald in a group...so reports him missing...conspiracy people - How could he know he was not in the other side of the building...Well...he doesn´t..But he has seen him in this part few moments before, doesn´t see him now...so....reports him missing :)
what the officer heard was three " volleys " to begin with ...
No, I feel the same way.
I use to believe in conspiracy and then after the movie "JFK" I was wondering if all that could be true, so I looked into it and it was all exaggerations, cherrypicking one thing, but ignoring all the corroboration that points in the other direction, taking while leaps in speculationing and TONS and TONS of ignoring facts.
Read "The Girl on the Stairs". I think there's a YT video on it too. Very interesting.
Oswald figured out he was about to be the 'patsy' and dee dee moued out of the building.
Oswald was indeed a communist and he said so. He was then the only employee to leave, and then he killed a policeman.
King Keef All employees of the TSDB were accounted for except LHO.
King Keef No there wasn't..The point is that *everyone* who'd been inside the TSBD had an opportunity to leave right after the shooting, but Oswald is the only worker who did so, according to the affidavits in CE 1381 and other testimony.
King Keef Let me post this again so you understand..... .The point is that everyone who'd been inside the TSBD had an opportunity to leave right after the shooting, but Oswald is the only worker who did so, according to the affidavits in CE 1381 and other testimony......get it now?
King Keef If he stuck around how come the police arrested him in a movie theater over a mile away? How come witness said they saw him shoot a cop? How come police found a bus transfer in his pocket when he was arrested? How come a taxi driver said he took him to his boarding house? How come he wasn't around when Truly took roll call of all the employees and he was the only one that didn't answer. Do you think maybe it was because he was taking a shit?
King Keef I was correct...........Thank you for answering my question!...LMAO!!!!
Oswald was eating his lunch just like his coworkers testified as seeing him just before leaving to see Kennedy. He then heard the president was shot and probably thought something is very wrong. He then left the tsbd
Got on a bus to go home. The bus wasn’t leaving and he felt something was wrong once again so he left the bus just as the bus was searched by a police officer ( probably was meant to be shot on that bus) he then got a taxi to his boarding room to get his jacket.
He wasn't eating lunch
I love BS stories like these! Hilarious! This video proves Oswald did it more than didnt do it!
Yes, and what are the odds of the school Book Depository coincidentally was the last tall building on the parade route? there were many many tall buildings along the parade route the motorcade route, but the school Book Depository just coincidentally happened to be the very last one, it does make you stop and think?
@@gregorythornhill3904 Huh? Thats where Oswald worked. The parade route was determined by the city of Dallas with input by the local Democratic party. Doesnt make me think anything more than this was a crime of opportunity. Oswalds own brother Robert believed he did it. The true facts are so overwhelming against Oswald. Really is case closed.
I agree
@@gregorythornhill3904 👍
Not one shred of hard evidence of a conspiracy, or second shooter. A mountain of hard evidence oswald acted alone. Yet millions of Americans buy into the conspiracy garbage because they do not want to believe a man as powerful and consequential as Kennedy could be taken out by a small little inconsequential loser like oswald. In their minds the scales don't balance, it must be something much bigger. A massive conspiracy by evil powers fits the bill in their minds. The fact that there are so many different wild conspiracy theories accusing anyone from castro, russia, CIA, LBJ, and so on is telling as to how ridiculous all the conspiracy theories are. Even the conspiracy theory nuts don't agree on anything.
The back ground music makes me believe Oswald's ghost haunts this joint. Maybe those paranormal guys who do investigations into haunted places could set up shop in the TSBD and finally we will here the truth. Oswald wasn't alone but the "fall" guy.
Kennedy was hit....4 times ...conally once.....a stray bullet hit the curb...one bullet went through the windshield well...thats a minimum of 4 shots fired
at about the 6 minute mark there is something important that people need to be aware of . its the police radio broadcast that gave the description of the man the police sought .
chief curry said (and i believe its in this video ) that the description given out was based on oswald being seen leaving the building via the front door after the shooting . OFFICIALLY oswald left the building within 3 minutes of the shooting , but this is simply not true . also according to another witness oswald NEVER left via the front door , the witness said he saw oswald after he left via the REAR DOORS . ill come back to that .
OFFICIALLY howard brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window , a man who he identified as oswald . a man whos description he gave to the police and which led to the police radio broadcast mentioned above and the very description given it .
brennan NEVER saw oswald leaving the front door of the depository or outside of it , and he NEVER claimed he did . the man that brennan said he saw was ONLY seen by him in that window according to his statements . on that basis alone , and on the basis that police chief curry said that the 12.45pm description was given on the basis that oswald was seen leaving the front of the depository that means that the 12.45pm radio broadcast and the description of the man given in it DID NOT and could not have come from brennan .
brennans identification of oswald is also a nonsense . brennan could only have seen a person from the waist up , and they had to be kneeling on the hard plywood floor which had to be very uncomfortable . brennan could only see half of a man yet gave a HEIGHT and weight description . he described the man as wearing khaki clothing , oswald didnt wear that . when brennan went to the police to see if he could identify the man he saw he FAILED to identify oswald . this is indisputable as it was documented by the police . he later claimed he went to a line up and identified oswald (the warren commission claimed the same ) , however we know that several witnesses attended each lineup . for example cab drivers whalley and scoggins stood together at one line up . we know the exact line up that brennan CLAIMED he attended , it was the line up with the davis girls , THEY NEVER SAW BRENNAN . and to add to that brennan said he attended the line up with police captain will fritz , fritz was asked about that ,was asked if that were true , and he replied I DOUBT THAT .
there exists a document which lists ALL people that attended every line up , that is it names EVERYONE that was in the actual line ups (some were police ) every witness and in fact everyone in the line up room for each line up . brennans name is listed NOWHERE on that document . so we simply have no reason to accept that brennan ever identified oswald while oswald was alive AS THE MAN IN THE WINDOW . only after oswalds death did brennan say it was oswald . the warren commission was atleast some what honest in this regard , and they decided THEY COULD NOT RELY upon brennan and his supposed identification. further more there is no proof as we saw above that brennan was the source of the 12.45pm radio broadcast . had they investigated this and questioned him vigorously and honestly they would have lost brennan as a witness . and they needed him to say a man was in that window . as long as they had someone saying they saw a man in that window they could insist (if not prove ) that it was oswald . so the commission concluded that brennan only saw SOMEONE that he later believed to be oswald .
lastly back to the witness that saw oswald leaving work . wes frazier the same man that drove oswald to work was stood on the steps outside the depository . frazier said ON FILM to gary mack that 5 to 10 minutes after the shooting that he saw oswald crossing houston street . the front door was not far from the corner . it was clear to frazier that oswald had left via the rear of the building via the loading dock area . he also said oswald wore a jacket . witnesses on the bus (assuming the man they saw was oswald ) said the man wore a jacket , and cab driver whalley also said that the man who walked up to his cab wore a jacket YET OSWALD WALKS IN TO HIS ROOMING HOUSE WEARING ONLY A SHIRT ? . the commission simply ignored these contradictions and said HE WORE THAT BROWN SHIRT , actually he did not wear the brown shirt in evidence , he was wearing a red shirt but thats another story .
i cant recommend helmers fantastic videos more , please please view them all as they contain so much great info that you wont see in those biased one sided tv documentaries .
" but don't believe everything you read. Check the sources" Well that really was the point of me asking for it, wasn't it, which I thank you wholeheartedly for providing. Another good source (if you can get your mitts on some for beng largely out of print) are historical political intrigue fiction of the day (published between the mid 60s and early 70s) fom which one can quarry a vast amt of indirect info and powerfully revealing insight. That's just as important, if not much much more, also.
why the bs music helmer?
everyone knows the story as it happened is b.s but just like today nothing happens
Howard Brennan gave Oswald's description to offficers outside the book despository building. The windows of the building are close to the floor, so you can see an almost complete figure if squatting in the window as Oswald was. This is based on the case evidence.