Thank you very much for this overview of the upcoming updates! I'm excited to try these out for myself in February using my 1 1/2 year old Coros Pace 2. I originally bought the watch for its battery life and affordability but I'm constantly impressed with how generous they are in adding more features even to their older watches.
I have been in the beta for a week or so. I do find the stress metric pretty useful. Nice that the combine HRV and HR plus whatever else to produce a useful #. Thanks coros.
If I were to choose a non-Garmin watch I think I would very likely be looking for a Coros watch. That said having used the Garmin platform for so many years now one does end up getting so familiar with how it works that changing over to a different platform really needs to be for a very good reason.
Or ever. I don't remember the last update for my polar vantage m1. But the main takeaway is all the other companies just bombard you with "data" that many don''t know what to do with. And for the most part we know how we feel and should us that to make our decisions and not rely on a watch telling us.
Coros is just awesome bringing new features (also to existing devices unlike other brands). And the UI & UX of the App / Website is just beautiful!! What I miss to make the transsition though is the following: Music Streaming Services, NFC Payments, Something like Garmin Body Battery, Weight Measurements & Scales supporting Coros, Calorie Tracker, Equipment Tracker (e.g. Miles for Shoes, bikes) and bring back ANT+ support (I Know it sucks to pay license fees to your competitor but its a good standard). I know this is a lot and most of it is just lifestyle and convenience. However if Coros could add these features in the future nothing will hold me back going for them even if the prices will go up with those features.
Glad they finally added the weather forecast widget, was something I really missed when I switched over from Garmin. It's nice that they're adding general wellness stuff like stress tracking but man that battery hit is just too much so I'll be keeping that off. Running form test seems pretty pointless for most people unless you're a data nerd.
In my opinion, Garmin (Firstbeat) skip the measurement during training and during movement because it can affect the quality of the measurement as well as from the obvious matter we know that during movement or sports the stress will be significantly increased. In addition, so that it is known what body/psychic stress is actual it is worthwhile to let go of such a measurement in motion or during sports. Coros quite similarly models itself on Garmin, so I wonder if the quality may have "borrowed" their algorithms or developed them through reverse engineering. Thanks for the review!
For me, as for runner, which using coros 4 years, this feature is senseless, just draining battery. What I've noticed with this update - better showing of current & future lap goals in planned workout. Going to search now how to disable this stress measure feature... But what I can understand - coros trying to get also satisfied users, who actually aren't athletes, and has just normal healthy life, that's I think good direction. Also big positive I see with coros - I'm owning watches since 2020 and I'm still getting updates. That's awesome.
COROS needs these features to stay competitive with a growing market. Just because you don't value them doesn't mean others don't. The good news is that it's FREE and you can disable it if you don't want to use it. Settings > Stress Tracking > Off... Done.
I cant decide which watch to buy as my first watch to track running (casual runner), Coros pace 3, or Garmin Forerunner 165 (non music) since they are almost exact same price. Amoled is not a big feature for me, I just need a good watch to track my workouts, display basic info etc. OS/enviroment would to be big deciding factor here and Coros seems to be working hard on updating theirs, when Garmin from what I here, likes to gatekeep some features in more expensive models. Any thoughts? Comparison video between those models, or/and systems would be nice :)
Same here, I’ve had both in my cart and backed out. I think I might just get the pace 3 and see what future updates they roll out. I’m just a casual so I don’t need every bell and whistle anyway
@@Ennis09 I chose pace3 and I`m very happy. The brighter it gets outside, the better MIP dispaly looks, so if you`re planning on using your watch mostly outdoors I would go with Pace3. What helped me make up my mind was downloading both coros and garmin app - I liked coros wayyy more
Really enjoy your videos. Don’t have a coros, I have a garmin. Have never really used the stress. It’s there, but not hugely actionable from my perspective. I’ve always assumed it blanks out working out because that’s always good for my stress level. Nice one Dave.
Promised to report back after a few days. Beta is solid, no issues for me. I do feel like battery life has taken a pretty significant hit but don’t have any actual metrics to share, just a rough feeling that I’m seeing more drain. Stress feature is solid and seems to work pretty well (definitely showed increase levels of stress over the weekend when I was attending my daughters bball tournament 😂) Will continue to monitor the battery usage but I’m definitely not in the battery anxiety range that I had when using my Apple Watch.
Thanks for alerting me to the fact that my beta had expired and had to get loaded again. 😂 Testing the beta and will report back in a few days. Really do love my Coros
I've been watching your videos for a long time now and I've really learned a lot of things that I didn't know or didn't pay so much attention to, thank you so much for that. Now, after your latest videos for coros pace 3, I see me soon owning it. One last thing, if you will allow it, do you have anything to do with Greece in general? Many thanks💪✅👍😁
Nice to see Coros adding features, even though I sold my Pace 2 to go back to Garmin with the Venu 2 (I have the Edge 530 too). I don't see a "Body Battery" equivalent though, arguably the "best" (as in useful/actionnable) metric available on a sports watch ?
I have an Apple Watch 7 that's being warranty replaced without the oxygen sensor (🤬). and am considering the Coros Pace 3 as a possible replacement as an everyday watch. I don’t need most of the Apple smart features and aside from being a daily time piece/general fitness tracker, would use the Coros for cycling and hiking. Your thoughts on this? Thanks and really like your channel!
The Pace 3 is great! But coming from an Apple Watch it will probably take some time to get used to it. The display is much duller and boring to look at, the interface isn't as snappy, and you can't do any of the obvious smartwatch things with it like play music, take phone calls, download apps, etc... The Pace 3 is a rock solid fitness and activity tracker though and has useful training, navigation, and wellness tools out of the box along with WAY better battery life.
I've never used many of my Apple Watch's smart features, so I don’t think that’ll be a problem. I’m interested in it primarily as a time piece, for cycling, and as a general fitness tracker. Not needed to charge it everyday is a significant plus, too. Thanks a lot for the reply. @@ChaseTheSummit
Kudos to Coros for continuously innovating and improving, and supporting older models with new features as long as possible - I believe no one else does this. Looks like I need to take out from storage and wear my Vertix Mojito SN 101/200 again 😂
We have made changes in our recent firmware (November 2023) that improved pace sensitivity. It’s not perfect but it has improved and we are continuing to work on making this data even more responsive! - Darian (COROS)
My Polar Pacer Pro doesn't lag at all and none of the watches should lag at all. It's so simple job for the processor and we are in 21st century. Come on guys.
Too much for me Dave! Besides I've got an Apex 42mm so the upgrade won't be it. Any way. This features doesn't make me prone to buy a new Coros (I've tested the Coros Pod 2 though, but I rather use Stryd). The only thing that seduce me is battery life, because the Apex has proven to be not so good in the area. May be the Pace 3 would be an option. As an amateur marathoner, there's no need for such features. And optic sensors have never worked for my wrist, that's why I use the Polar Veristy Sense. So, what's the point of these new features since you never get good data from your wrist... I'll pass. Thank you for your great review, I've enjoyed.
I don't want to give up battery life for features I don't want/ need. I bought the watch for ultra running because it's good on GPS has maps and a ton of battery life If I would want less battery life and more marketing things almost nobody really actively uses I would buy an overpriced Garmin.
@@ChaseTheSummit The bezel shape and how the lugs drop off. Example Garmin has a nice lug design and some nice curverture in the bezel. I am not saying it's awful but I wished they were more inventive with the design.
I just wish they had airplane mode on it. That’s what’s keeping me from getting it. I had it but returned it. I keep my Garmin on airplane mode all day and sync it at the end of the day.
The point on Coros’ lagging heart rate tracking that then throws off real time analytics built on top is a good example. Working outward, if the core hardware isn’t reliable other features suffer as a result.
Yeah I agree, most of this "data" from all watch brands is somewhat unreliable at best. You know when you've slept well, or if you're fit, or stressed and don't get me started on the v02 scores.
Absolutely. I also think they've pushed other companies to follow in a similar way. Garmin has gotten a lot better about firmware updates in recent years and I think that's thanks to COROS.
Don't have a Coros watch, but I'm looking into them pretty seriously for longer day hiking (obviously Apple watch runs out of battery too quickly on a 10-15 mile hike), plus fitness tracking, but not for all-day every day wear. Yes, the software update does sway me. Was leaning to Coros, but this makes me feel more sure about buying it.
It appears that Garmin, includes activity induced stress in the Body Battery measurement, but doesn't include it in the 'not active' daily stress measurement. I don't have a Coros but I assume they don't store activity induced stress as a separate metric or use some method to avoid double counting activity stress in the daily totals.
A little off topic but brand new to corps pace 3; does the pace 3 support audio cues during a run if you have headphones paired. Will take it for first run later today. Thanks.
I go back and forth with how valuable all this extra data is. On my Garmin, it’s nice to validate how I’m feeling when I didn’t get enough sleep, worked out too hard, etc. But at the same time it can be demoralizing when I’m constantly at a training readiness of “1” and the watch is suggesting I “Rest” for 3 days in a row. We have an 18 month old so we don’t get much sleep. Stuff like that draws me back to my Apple Watch which doesn’t seem to judge me nearly as much 🙄
Haha, that is the struggle. I know the feeling (4 kids here) my body battery rarely gets above 50 even after a good nights sleep. I try not to focus on it too much and really only use it for validation when I *FEEL* run down. Basically, I avoid looking at the metrics unless I feel off... then I look to see what's going on. Ultimately these features are supposed to make us healthier and happier not the other way around.
Agree with this. I personally went deep in exploring analytics across Apple, Garmin, and Whoop - you eventually land on listening to your body on most days, as it gets exhausting deferring to a particular platform. The features are no doubt nice to have, but now I optimize for the best activity tracker over everything else. Garmin is my current winner in that regard.
Thank you very much for this overview of the upcoming updates! I'm excited to try these out for myself in February using my 1 1/2 year old Coros Pace 2. I originally bought the watch for its battery life and affordability but I'm constantly impressed with how generous they are in adding more features even to their older watches.
I have been in the beta for a week or so. I do find the stress metric pretty useful. Nice that the combine HRV and HR plus whatever else to produce a useful #. Thanks coros.
Another thorough video Dave. I have the Vertix 2. Appreciate the regular updates Coros provide.👏
If I were to choose a non-Garmin watch I think I would very likely be looking for a Coros watch. That said having used the Garmin platform for so many years now one does end up getting so familiar with how it works that changing over to a different platform really needs to be for a very good reason.
COROS is casually dropping more updates in 4 months than POLAR in 1 year 0_o
Copy pasting Garmin features, you mean. 😆
Its better working then garmin so a nice job done
@@mr.onbekend7959 Of course it is.
@@Lasombra08coz of garmin put the feature first, so coros copy and paste the garmin? Better you mention all brand bro. Hahahaha
Or ever. I don't remember the last update for my polar vantage m1. But the main takeaway is all the other companies just bombard you with "data" that many don''t know what to do with. And for the most part we know how we feel and should us that to make our decisions and not rely on a watch telling us.
As a fellow 4-kidder and 140 mile round trip commute to NYC, I can't wait for the stress measurement. I may tip the scales!
Coros is just awesome bringing new features (also to existing devices unlike other brands). And the UI & UX of the App / Website is just beautiful!! What I miss to make the transsition though is the following: Music Streaming Services, NFC Payments, Something like Garmin Body Battery, Weight Measurements & Scales supporting Coros, Calorie Tracker, Equipment Tracker (e.g. Miles for Shoes, bikes) and bring back ANT+ support (I Know it sucks to pay license fees to your competitor but its a good standard). I know this is a lot and most of it is just lifestyle and convenience. However if Coros could add these features in the future nothing will hold me back going for them even if the prices will go up with those features.
Glad they finally added the weather forecast widget, was something I really missed when I switched over from Garmin. It's nice that they're adding general wellness stuff like stress tracking but man that battery hit is just too much so I'll be keeping that off. Running form test seems pretty pointless for most people unless you're a data nerd.
In my opinion, Garmin (Firstbeat) skip the measurement during training and during movement because it can affect the quality of the measurement as well as from the obvious matter we know that during movement or sports the stress will be significantly increased. In addition, so that it is known what body/psychic stress is actual it is worthwhile to let go of such a measurement in motion or during sports. Coros quite similarly models itself on Garmin, so I wonder if the quality may have "borrowed" their algorithms or developed them through reverse engineering.
Thanks for the review!
For me, as for runner, which using coros 4 years, this feature is senseless, just draining battery.
What I've noticed with this update - better showing of current & future lap goals in planned workout.
Going to search now how to disable this stress measure feature...
But what I can understand - coros trying to get also satisfied users, who actually aren't athletes, and has just normal healthy life, that's I think good direction.
Also big positive I see with coros - I'm owning watches since 2020 and I'm still getting updates. That's awesome.
COROS needs these features to stay competitive with a growing market. Just because you don't value them doesn't mean others don't. The good news is that it's FREE and you can disable it if you don't want to use it. Settings > Stress Tracking > Off... Done.
Coros…coming for garmins lunch.., right there along with Apple (once they get the battery life sorted)
I cant decide which watch to buy as my first watch to track running (casual runner), Coros pace 3, or Garmin Forerunner 165 (non music) since they are almost exact same price. Amoled is not a big feature for me, I just need a good watch to track my workouts, display basic info etc. OS/enviroment would to be big deciding factor here and Coros seems to be working hard on updating theirs, when Garmin from what I here, likes to gatekeep some features in more expensive models. Any thoughts? Comparison video between those models, or/and systems would be nice :)
Same here, I’ve had both in my cart and backed out. I think I might just get the pace 3 and see what future updates they roll out. I’m just a casual so I don’t need every bell and whistle anyway
What did you decide on? I’m between pace 3 and forerunner 265.
I'm personally trying to move away from Garmin, I love the watches but I'm sick of them not implementing Health Connect integration on Android.
@@Ennis09 I chose pace3 and I`m very happy. The brighter it gets outside, the better MIP dispaly looks, so if you`re planning on using your watch mostly outdoors I would go with Pace3. What helped me make up my mind was downloading both coros and garmin app - I liked coros wayyy more
Really enjoy your videos. Don’t have a coros, I have a garmin. Have never really used the stress. It’s there, but not hugely actionable from my perspective. I’ve always assumed it blanks out working out because that’s always good for my stress level. Nice one Dave.
Thanks!
Another great video Dave. As a Coros Apex 2 Pro user I found this very useful and am looking forward to the update 😊
Promised to report back after a few days. Beta is solid, no issues for me. I do feel like battery life has taken a pretty significant hit but don’t have any actual metrics to share, just a rough feeling that I’m seeing more drain.
Stress feature is solid and seems to work pretty well (definitely showed increase levels of stress over the weekend when I was attending my daughters bball tournament 😂)
Will continue to monitor the battery usage but I’m definitely not in the battery anxiety range that I had when using my Apple Watch.
great update.
I hope they develop amoled watch for this year. MIP with 64color too dull for 2024.
I think that's inevitable but I also think some COROS users may not be happy with that!
I prefer MIP screens!
Nice summary of the new coros features. I'm also testing it on the beta and loving the new features. Maybe time to get a Pod too
COROS and garmin user here 👏
Yes, I have a Pace1 and I hope these will help.
Unfortunately Pace 1 won't be getting this update.
Hi sir, if just for running which is better coros pace 3 or garmin fr 265? Still thinking which one to buy. @@ChaseTheSummit
Thanks for alerting me to the fact that my beta had expired and had to get loaded again. 😂
Testing the beta and will report back in a few days.
Really do love my Coros
Does coros pace 3 can be a music control player control to connect to smartphone ?
I've been watching your videos for a long time now and I've really learned a lot of things that I didn't know or didn't pay so much attention to, thank you so much for that. Now, after your latest videos for coros pace 3, I see me soon owning it. One last thing, if you will allow it, do you have anything to do with Greece in general? Many thanks💪✅👍😁
Nice to see Coros adding features, even though I sold my Pace 2 to go back to Garmin with the Venu 2 (I have the Edge 530 too). I don't see a "Body Battery" equivalent though, arguably the "best" (as in useful/actionnable) metric available on a sports watch ?
Maybe cause exercise is what we do to deal w stress
But it also causes stress!
I would love to buy a Coros but I need it to be able to control my smartphone music!!!
So weird that they still haven't figured that out! Every other smartwatch has that feature. Seems like it would be an easy fix!
Strange given they have the feature to control a Insta360 and GoPro camera via Bluetooth on the watches
Hmm vertix3 will be on my radar next year
I have an Apple Watch 7 that's being warranty replaced without the oxygen sensor (🤬). and am considering the Coros Pace 3 as a possible replacement as an everyday watch.
I don’t need most of the Apple smart features and aside from being a daily time piece/general fitness tracker, would use the Coros for cycling and hiking.
Your thoughts on this?
Thanks and really like your channel!
The Pace 3 is great! But coming from an Apple Watch it will probably take some time to get used to it. The display is much duller and boring to look at, the interface isn't as snappy, and you can't do any of the obvious smartwatch things with it like play music, take phone calls, download apps, etc... The Pace 3 is a rock solid fitness and activity tracker though and has useful training, navigation, and wellness tools out of the box along with WAY better battery life.
I've never used many of my Apple Watch's smart features, so I don’t think that’ll be a problem. I’m interested in it primarily as a time piece, for cycling, and as a general fitness tracker. Not needed to charge it everyday is a significant plus, too. Thanks a lot for the reply. @@ChaseTheSummit
I liked the beta
I'm 70 so it's going to tell my form sucks. My ground contact time is high, my turnover is slow.
Thanks a lot) 💪
Kudos to Coros for continuously innovating and improving, and supporting older models with new features as long as possible - I believe no one else does this. Looks like I need to take out from storage and wear my Vertix Mojito SN 101/200 again 😂
I just wish the Pace 3 didn't suffer from pace lag. If Coros fix that then it would be the perfect watch.
Unfortunately most watches do which is why training by Running Power can be a lot easier than pace.
Oh yeah the pace lag is baddd
We have made changes in our recent firmware (November 2023) that improved pace sensitivity. It’s not perfect but it has improved and we are continuing to work on making this data even more responsive!
- Darian (COROS)
My Polar Pacer Pro doesn't lag at all and none of the watches should lag at all. It's so simple job for the processor and we are in 21st century. Come on guys.
@@darianallberryWill there be a firmware update regarding this issue in the not too distant future?
Too much for me Dave! Besides I've got an Apex 42mm so the upgrade won't be it. Any way. This features doesn't make me prone to buy a new Coros (I've tested the Coros Pod 2 though, but I rather use Stryd). The only thing that seduce me is battery life, because the Apex has proven to be not so good in the area. May be the Pace 3 would be an option. As an amateur marathoner, there's no need for such features.
And optic sensors have never worked for my wrist, that's why I use the Polar Veristy Sense. So, what's the point of these new features since you never get good data from your wrist... I'll pass.
Thank you for your great review, I've enjoyed.
app only for phones? not on pc like garmin connect?
There's a desktop version called COROS Traning Hub you can find at training.coros.com that shows most of the metrics.
How to update my pace 3?
I don't want to give up battery life for features I don't want/ need. I bought the watch for ultra running because it's good on GPS has maps and a ton of battery life If I would want less battery life and more marketing things almost nobody really actively uses I would buy an overpriced Garmin.
Good news is this feature is free so you're not paying for it. And you can also turn it off if you want more battery life. So there's no downside.
I really like Coors UI and App but sadly I am not a fan of the flat tyre shape design. Such a shame. I would buy one if it wasn't for the design
Not sure what you mean by flat tire shape? To me they look pretty similar to other fitness watches.
@@ChaseTheSummit The bezel shape and how the lugs drop off. Example Garmin has a nice lug design and some nice curverture in the bezel. I am not saying it's awful but I wished they were more inventive with the design.
Why my coros pace 3 still didn't have that update?
It’s not available until Feb 1st
Ohh thanks 😅
I just wish they had airplane mode on it. That’s what’s keeping me from getting it. I had it but returned it. I keep my Garmin on airplane mode all day and sync it at the end of the day.
Just curious why you use the airplane mode? Is it to reduce distraction?
EMF
Coros user here. Really like my watch, but all these metrics are so unreliable they are just laughable!
Which metrics do you have trouble with?
The point on Coros’ lagging heart rate tracking that then throws off real time analytics built on top is a good example.
Working outward, if the core hardware isn’t reliable other features suffer as a result.
@@ChaseTheSummit Sleep and heart rate, although I think sleep is bad in most wearables.
Yeah I agree, most of this "data" from all watch brands is somewhat unreliable at best. You know when you've slept well, or if you're fit, or stressed and don't get me started on the v02 scores.
Great that they provide such updates! Much better than Garmin in that respect!
Absolutely. I also think they've pushed other companies to follow in a similar way. Garmin has gotten a lot better about firmware updates in recent years and I think that's thanks to COROS.
With a Pace 3 going from 24 to 17 days after turning this on will still be just fine with me (speaking as an Apple Watch Series 5 user) 😂
Yup, not a huge hit. Oddly the bigger hits come to the Vertix line with the Vertix 1's battery life nearly being cut in half!
Where would you find this update? My Coros app says everything is up to date and the last update was in December.
Mine as aswell
It started rolling out on February 1st. Give it a few days and you should see the update!
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks it was finally here yesterday afternoon
Don't have a Coros watch, but I'm looking into them pretty seriously for longer day hiking (obviously Apple watch runs out of battery too quickly on a 10-15 mile hike), plus fitness tracking, but not for all-day every day wear. Yes, the software update does sway me. Was leaning to Coros, but this makes me feel more sure about buying it.
I'm excited but I still own the Apex which is really annoying. I want this thing to die!!!!! so I can upgrade
It appears that Garmin, includes activity induced stress in the Body Battery measurement, but doesn't include it in the 'not active' daily stress measurement. I don't have a Coros but I assume they don't store activity induced stress as a separate metric or use some method to avoid double counting activity stress in the daily totals.
Is this watch a good one for triathlon?
Yup!
I was already thinking of getting a pod for running on the treadmill but now I want one even more so I can do the form test
Sir will all features of this watch work in India also??
Did they update the pace lag? or do i still need to buy the pod?
Love the coros updates coming
A little off topic but brand new to corps pace 3; does the pace 3 support audio cues during a run if you have headphones paired. Will take it for first run later today. Thanks.
Nope, still waiting for this to be added!
👍💯💯💯
Hola, a día de hoy, que dispositivo elegiría? Coros pace 3 o Garmin 955?
Probably the 955 simply because it has way more advanced mapping/navigation along with internal storage for music and a few more wellness tools.
I go back and forth with how valuable all this extra data is. On my Garmin, it’s nice to validate how I’m feeling when I didn’t get enough sleep, worked out too hard, etc. But at the same time it can be demoralizing when I’m constantly at a training readiness of “1” and the watch is suggesting I “Rest” for 3 days in a row.
We have an 18 month old so we don’t get much sleep.
Stuff like that draws me back to my Apple Watch which doesn’t seem to judge me nearly as much 🙄
Haha, that is the struggle. I know the feeling (4 kids here) my body battery rarely gets above 50 even after a good nights sleep. I try not to focus on it too much and really only use it for validation when I *FEEL* run down. Basically, I avoid looking at the metrics unless I feel off... then I look to see what's going on. Ultimately these features are supposed to make us healthier and happier not the other way around.
Agree with this. I personally went deep in exploring analytics across Apple, Garmin, and Whoop - you eventually land on listening to your body on most days, as it gets exhausting deferring to a particular platform.
The features are no doubt nice to have, but now I optimize for the best activity tracker over everything else. Garmin is my current winner in that regard.