The "Microbial Men" Discuss All Things Bacterial at Reefstock Denver 2024 | #98
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
- In this session, Salem Clemens (Reef Builders), Taras Pleskun (Top Shelf Aquatics), Dr. Eli Meyer (Aquabiomics), Dr. Andrew Bouwma (Biologist & Science Educator) & Kenneth Wingerter (Hydrospace) discuss why the bacterial microbiome in your reef tank is so important.
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Absolutely do!
This was gold. Definitely want more from the Microbial Men!
I would watch that 5 hour talk multiple times #forthenerds
Im telling you this young man has a future in this hobby just, please, stay grounded.!!
This needs to be a sub section on reef therapy... Monthly bringing in test results from industry "Bacteria bottles" experiments etc. Would be awesome.
Great video! Taras & Salem especially stood out in terms of their polar opposite way of presenting scientific information. Taras, more poetic and inspiring (like an artist), Salem, more methodical and scientific (like a scientist). Both sides of the same scientific coin, love the breath of fresh air.
Remy very great idea lets do this!!!!
I was waiting for you to jump In Salem, lol concerning your latest studies, yes I was watching. This young man is going places and cudos to him.
Remy fantastic knowledge shared by the group I didn't get it all but I would like more 👍
#whatsinyourwater this is like the super nerd version of The View.. but a lot more bearable and informative. 😂
Great panel and video! Hope to see more on this in the future and get some questions and theories answered. We all have the same goal in the end… keeping our animals healthy long term.
salem is amazing the way he has come onto the scene with his Facebook page teasing the hell out of us with his corals and now with the knowledge he is enlightening the community. keep up the good work young man. hope to meet you at palooza New York.
Great job Remy, the quality of this awesome. Stoked for more, keep it up guys
I sooooo prefer doing Reef Therapy sessions in person! Hopefully we'll be able to do more like this soon. ~Remy
This was a great discussion with a brilliant panel - thank you!
Absolutely, bring it on, thanks guys it was great!
Great panel discussion! I love that you’re bringing different areas of expertise from one central subject matter together in this style of presentation. Remy’s questions were well-prepared. I’d lik to see this as a regular series
Nothing excites me more than five hours of clean data and a case of Red Bull. Keep it up!!
Great discussion. Let's put those ideas into action!
Very inspirational. We need more.
#whatsinyourwater definitely informative
All that data!!! And only five hours? More!
Good stuff
#whatsinyourwater great video guys 💯
I'm done with the dry rock magic bacteria in a bottle experiment. I've suffered with 13 years of tank failures due dry rock and magic in a bottle. Live rock and whatever comes on it has been the thing that has been the thing I need for success.
I thought this was excellent and will be looking for more. I'd love the opportunity to participate in community efforts/experiments to help move the science forward. Even anecdotal information can be useful in quantity, and with the right guidance, non-scientists willing to follow instructions and willing to provide the specific information requested can help a great deal.
Alright... so fritz monster and sechem stability... im gonna have to test these
Fantastic and very needed topic for the US where antibiotics are WAY too easy to obtain and used wildly. However in my understanding the minimal dosage approach described is the way to resistant bacteria. For this reason eg human antibiotics descriptions are to be eaten in whole despite the symptoms disappearing in the middle of the description to be sure that all bacteria are killed.
This comment was in regard to treating an entire tank, when you need to be careful you do not wipe out your entire microbiome with too high of a dose. If using a treatment outside of the tank you would want to go with a higher dose. However, too high of a dose on a coral can kill the beneficial bacteria in the coral's microbiome too. We need to use extreme caution when dosing our corals with ab.
I guess the whole point is that we should not be concerned about the effect of antibiotics on corals in our tanks (I personally think antibiotics should be only allowed in research environment).
What we should be concerned is creating antibiotic resistant bacterial strains for us humans ( and for the rest of the animal kingdom), in the name of keeping some nice looking coral in a home aquarium.
@@allfather5972 As I said in the video, the future of the hobby is in probiotics. For now, some of us have access to antibiotics as a tool to be used carefully. If my dog gets an infection, I may use antibiotics to treat her if warranted, and the same is true for my other pets. Careful use of antibiotics means trying alternatives first, limiting their use to baths or hospital tank treatments, and only using them for in-tank treatments as an absolute last resort. The threat of antibiotic resistance in our tanks from overuse of in-tank treatments is real, as are other hobby-related risks such as electrical fires from the combination of saltwater and electrical outlets that we keep in our homes. Let’s be aware of all our risks and do all we can to be safe.
My tank was set up with dry rock, dry sand, and bottled bacteria. My tank is “healthy” (successful with lps and sps corals), but I deal with many issues of nuisance algae, green hair and valonia bubble algae and I believe it be largely the immature bacterial / microbial culture.
Very interesting talk would love to have more of these in the future. How can I participate in the experiment?
#WhatsInYourWater
I need 😅😊
I like the idea of diving into stuff deeper, can your broaden the information for a world wide scenario? I live in Australia and it’s hard to find information that works here IRT pest control methods, product that can only be brought in America to conquer these pests. Can Australians do this water testing beside ICP? Ways that might work for the US and Canada may not work for others.
#whatsinyourwater kalkwasser.
People should take a better look in the mirror, because if they did they would see that 50% of the cells they are looking at actually isn't them, but they wouldn't be alive without all those other cells. And corals aren't any different.
I never heard that
We’re always told only use x product as a last resort, whatever it may be, but on the other hand I think most people, especially the new hobbiest, that stare at their tanks every day and notice the first signs of an issue we want to stomp out that flame before it gets out of hand. And we see other aquarists, UA-camrs, people on forums etc do the same. So those two ideas are really at odds with each other and make it difficult to know when to intervene and when last resort is.
It's a good question. I probably wasn't clear in my answer as it was ‘off the cuff.’ I never treat corals prophylactically with an antibiotic. I would consider doing an in-tank treatment with an antibiotic, but only as a last resort. If I am confident I see symptoms of chronic disease in a coral, I would remove and isolate the coral in a hospital system or do a bath, cut off damaged tissue and treat the coral with something like an iodine dip. If this didn't work and the coral wasn't too far gone, I would then consider using something stronger like an antibiotic treatment in a bath or a hospital tank. The ONLY time I would consider treating my entire tank with an antibiotic is if I had evidence from an AquaBiomics test that I had a pathogen and I was also repeatedly seeing widespread disease that could not be managed by removing and treating corals.
Thanks. That does help. My first and only Aquabiomics test so far came back positive for sctld. So I’ll have to be on the lookout for that.
"Bacteria don't need your help." Jake Adams.
Jake wasn't wrong. Altogether, bacteria are resilient and adaptable enough to survive in any aquarium. Good ones and bad ones. But the real objective here, from at least my perspective, is finding out WHICH bacteria (and in what proportion) are most beneficial. Once we have some idea as to what the ideal reef aquarium microbiome looks like, we can then accelerate our efforts to build and maintain it.
@@hydrospacellc6528 I'm sorry, I'm not sure who you are by the screen name, so this is not directly to you or your company, if that's the case. As we all know, bacteria are introduced in our systems all the time in many ways. Bacteria population grows accordingly to the environment, not limited to a specific number/species introduced in bottles. Differences in biota, chemistry and many other variables in each system will determine the shifting in microbial population daily. Bacteria can't be limited to an open environment like the aquarium. And it is mainly introduced all the time with new additions of corals and other organisms, for example. Our hands and particles in the air can introduce bacteria. Population and numbers are not stable and the variables are definitely impossible to be judged as a definitive controlled population. The treatments of coral and fishes' diseases can, and should be done out of the systems in a prophylactic or remedy to each specific case of disease or condition. Quarantine should be the ruled normal practice in this hobby! The attention should be focused on that. Also, the studies of environmental changes and qualities to each pathogenic species in closed systems should be addressed instead of bacterial population. Corrections to the environment is the key to maintain the natural system. Maintenance taken seriously. To determine what is the "beneficial bacteria" species to one system might not be the same to another. IMHO there is not a definitive "ideal reef aquarium microbiome" because of the simple fact that they are not stable and again, new bacteria are introduced all the time from many different sources and the composition of that biome will need to obey the variables happening in that system at that time. There are diligent aspects of maintenance and prophylactic techniques that could help diseases (what IMO is the most important aspect of bacterial studies now - RTN/STN), and the key target is nutrient accumulation. It's just like trace and minor elements. There is not a possibility for any stability because of so many variables we have in the system. The interaction between bacteria and trace elements alone determine the limits of even wishing for a "magical product" for either aspects of reefkeeping subjects. Don't get me wrong, they are both very interesting subjects, but should be taken in a much simpler way than people are trying to make them look like.
"Bacteria don't need our help." That was one of the subjects I really agreed and wanted to so bad to discuss with Jake! He was the only guy that pushed my buttons to actually want to spend some real time discussing some of the subjects in this hobby!
I do appreciate some of what we hear from AquaBionics, for exemple, because it's interesting and I wish it would grow to the point of great definition, for the sake of curiosity, and possibly discoveries, helping some aquarium practicality in the future.
People ignore other important aspects of reefkeeping, neglecting their systems either because of ignorance or poor teachings and they try to substitute with bottles and methods to make up for what should be much simpler, like we had before. Some ask "why this hobby is getting more difficult?". The people are making it more difficulty! To regress is to loose what we had. "New technologies" will come to make everything more interesting, but not easier, because it was already defined and easier! Many things are just an excuse to make money taking advantage of the so called industry. Like Jake used to say... FUNDAMENTALS... I say: people have lost the essence of this hobby to replace many simple practices and qualities for what they think is making this hobby to evolve. By the way, I am trying to refuse to call this a "hobby". It's animal keeping.
Simpler is better. Less is more. To complicate things is to look for trouble!
I'll leave a question to those who want to wonder why Jake said "bacteria don't need our help": Why we had better tanks back in the 90's than we see around today? We didn't even talk much about bacteria, besides STN and RTN. Today, 30 yeas later, we still have and wonder about STN and RTN. Time is running and the efforts should be focused in the important things we need to understand.
Sorry for the "mini rant".🙏
@@hydrospacellc6528 Bacteria population are unstable in numbers and species, which naturally changes all the time, depending on so many variables. Good bacteria can become bad bacteria as we know, depending on those changes over time, or due to accumulation of detritus/nutrients , for example. It would be basically impossible to determine what is the real definition of "beneficial bacteria", knowing many species could change their behavior. That aquarium microbe is so vast and so different to each system, with daily changes, due to variables in chemistry, feeding, etc... Introduction of new bacteria in many ways make the stability impossible to be maintained. The key is to keep the environment well maintained. New bacteria will be introduced every time someone brings a drop of water from another system, with a fish or a coral. Things are still much simpler than that. The efforts should be focused on disease prevention and treatment.
Has anyone actually won an ICP analysis with the #whatsinyourwater thing? I've been hearing that for a bit, but haven't heard them announce any winners.
Yes sir! We send out ICP tests every episode. Maybe you’ll get lucky this time! -Remy
We don’t announce, I notify winners under their comment.
@@ReefTherapy ahh ok! 👍🏼 no wonder I haven’t heard it then 😂
@@TrevorHiller You should get a notification on UA-cam. Go back and double check on podcasts past. I don't think you've won before but I could be wrong. ~Remy
bro pay for one why wait for a free one?
#whatsinyourwater. Microbial men. “M squared”. I am not smart enough to find the little number two.
You won the ICP-Analysis giveaway! Please email Remy(at)ReefBuilders(dot)com. Please include your UA-cam handle! ~Remy
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You won the ICP-Analysis giveaway! Please email Remy(at)ReefBuilders(dot)com. Please include your UA-cam handle! ~Remy
@@ReefTherapy emailed. Thank you!
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Deeper microbial understanding in the reef is definitely needed, and the future of the hobby. That said listening to Taras kills me, ridiculous analogies and nebulous monologues. The others - all wonderful but Taras not my particular cup of tea.