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Yes. That is every bureaucracy because to lead a bureaucracy you must be a ruthless psychopath or the system will chew you up and spit you out. Very Machiavellian.
Perhaps we can go further and say it only serves the psychopaths at the head of these bureaucracies. You cannot be nice and normal to climb the ruthless bureaucratic ladder.
gov is only required to ensure everyone has ACCESS to an education. The gov need not PROVIDE that education, and in fact SHOULD NOT provide education themselves.
@SoloRenegade the government is required to not hinder access to education. Our government is supposed to operate on negatives, meaning things they're NOT allowed to do. Not things the government (aka taxpayers) owe you.
@@radagast7200 in a society where people can’t explain Habeas Corpus to a fifth grader Government does what it wants and follows its nature of self interest.
@SoloRenegade In the early 19th century, most of the United States had no requirement for American children to attend any classes or school. Wealthy families and bisiness owners sent their children to private schools or hired a tutor to teach their children. There is nothing worse than having most of the population being illiterate or semi illiterate. Then, education reformers worked to ensure public schools were established to educate the majority of Americans. State governments later began mandating public school attendance up to a certain age. Getting the government out of education is going to ensure children and teenagers are educated? How will that work? Billionaire and multi millionaire opponents of public schools and advocates of school choice, such Charles Koch of Koch Industries and Former Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, are trying to eliminate public schools to get a tax cut. It is not enough that they are wealthy, but they want to obtain more money even if it eliminates educating the majority of Americans. Who wants to return to an illiterate nation? I met numerous people who quit school at 16 and younger. The U.S. gains nothing when people are incapable of making beneficial decisions throughout their lives. The countries with the most educated population have people with more skills, and there is less crime. You might reconsider your position of getting the government out of schools.
@@tombrown5508 - That's a gross overstatement. Now, the administrators in offices outside the schools who run the system? Yes, those people, for the most part, don't care about the kids - at least the kids are low on their priority list. They care about keeping the system running at all costs - even by moving the system in directions away from what is best for the students in the system. But most teachers do care about kids. Even though many of them are completely wrong in their thinking and actually doing harm in some cases, they do care about the kids. But the more nasty slander shown towards teachers like what you displayed in your comment, the more and more competent people will continue to leave the profession. And for every one of us competent teachers who leave, you get another green or purple haired activist teaching the kids. Competent people don't have to take the crap. These others are happy to have a teaching position, because what else are they going to do? The problem is the system. The teachers don't run the system - they just work within it. Aim your anger higher up.
I was basically told the same thing by some veteran teachers during my first year as a public high school teacher. Though there have been some really rewarding times and events over the years (almost two decades now), there are consistent, lasting low periods that make me think I should have listened. I don't encourage any young people to pursue teaching as a career. It's a system run by people described in this video - most people with an education degree aren't the cream of the crop. But those are the people who rise to leadership positions. People who haven't done much in life and only know the education system. They keep making the same mistakes because it's what they know. It's what they've been fed, and all they've been fed. As someone who came in from a different industry, it can be quite maddening and frustrating to say the least.
I tried it. 18 years ago. I lasted 2 months. Can't ever go back unless DRASTIC changes are made. Simply can't. And I know for a fact those changes haven't been made in the interim. In fact, smart phones made things worse.
I was a proud ed major in college back in the early 90s. During my observation period at a local high school, I switched majors. The teachers warned me against teaching... and not just me. Most of my classmates were getting the same advice from teachers they were shadowing. To this day, I have no regrets.
My Mom taught in public schools for more than 4 decades before retiring, with a doctorate, because first grade was what she LOVED to teach. When she started teaching, she says that other than teachers you had only a very small number of non-teaching school employees in a typical school (e.g. principal, asst. principal, receptionist, janitors, cafeteria workers). By the time she retired, her school had over 14 people in "administration" at the elementary school, even though the school was virtually the same size as it was when she started. All of these roles were counted in the "teacher" part of the student/teacher ratios that were touted publicly. My Mom had no idea what many of these people did. Public schools have, sadly, become a money-pit largely because the teacher's unions treat them as nothing but a money-grab. There are many amazing, wonderful teachers in the public schools, but I suspect that group is slowly being ground down (and out) by the machine that wants mediocrity (or worse) in order to mask the abject failure that our public schools have largely become. FYI - my Mom thought the union was a valuable resource when she was early in her career, but she came to loathe the union and its misplaced goals as her career progressed. She now considers the unions as the number one adversary of excellence in schools.
A couple thoughts... * The key advantage of private (and most charter) schools is that they can send disruptive students and bad teachers away * The key weakness of public schools, besides the above, is that they can't discipline the kids * Basing all salary/promotion on time-in-service is a recipe for mediocracy at best
Can’t or won’t? There’s a difference. And I think the same is true of the rest of the issues in public education- the teachers, principals, parents, and kids don’t give a crap about education. This doesn’t happen as much in other countries. Kids in Asia and Europe kick our kids asses in educational attainment. Most HS graduates of public school would struggle with a text written at a tenth grade level. Most top out at functional literacy which is a 6th grade level of reading. Basically read a fairly simple text (let’s say it’s an instruction sheet on how to bake. And they read something like that and can pick out main ideas. In other countries, they can teach the vast majority of kids to read well. This includes Japan where there are three complete writing systems that a student has to learn. Public schools in Japan can teach kids to read kanji and both types of kana and we can’t teach ours to read alphabetic English. The same is true in maths. Any kid in Europe or Asia, even the kids that those systems don’t think can handle university can absorb pretty complex algebra concepts. They can understand statistics and probability. These abilities allow their kids to understand sciences. They can do it and do it in public schools. What’s changed is that basically everyone passes whether or not anyone learns anything, everyone is college bound no matter what, and failure is a dirty word. Which means that there’s no feedback. If a poorly performing student were either sent down to a lower track (say for trades) he and his parents get a wake up call. Either he does his studies and works harder to learn the material, or he doesn’t go to college. Second removing those students from the mainstream classes means fewer disruptions, less acting out, and more learning. Finally, it allows truly gifted students to do much more advanced learning than they can now because they aren’t held back by the slowest kid in the class who can barely add.
@@TheresaReichley I wonder how many people in East Asia marry and plan all their kids. How few just ended up forgetting out condoms and ending up making stupid kids?
Tenure is the worst thing I've ever heard of! If you're not good at your job you should lose it. I don't care how long you've been doing it. If anything that just begs the question have you ever been good at it? I went to school with a teacher who was about 80 years old Aunt death from age. Whenever she turned her back all of the students in the class would just out loud make fun of her. She was an elderly white woman and a majority black school. It was ridiculous she was allowed to continue teaching. But she had tenure!
We need to bring back trades in high school. Most children are not going to be College material as we have seen by the useless degrees that some of these young people have gotten through the years. They would have been better off getting a trade as an electrician, HVAC tech, a auto mechanic or any other service type of blue collar job. They would have been happier as well with no debt from student loans.
My high school had a careers center attached to the school where you could take classes for auto repair, auto body repair, home building and many more.
I realized a shot while ago that the powers that be DONT WANT kids to graduate knowing how to do any of those independent hands on skills. They want workers. They KNOW kids need more hands on real world skills...it's INTENTIONALLY left out. And one of two shop classes aren't enough.
I look at this simplistically.. Most public schools ARE WAY TOO LARGE.. Absolutely WAY TOO LARGE. When the ratio of kids to teachers goes down then we will see a return to accountability. On the kids, the teachers and the school board! People may disagree with thus but most schools are way too large.
I was a School Teacher at the Gerald R Ford Job Corps Center in Grand Rapids Michigan and was fired after I defended a child that was Raped by a staff member and then forced to get an abortion. The Rapist continued to be employed, my family became homeless.
My god that is horrible. But sadly I believe it. All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.
Less than 50% of kids in Urban school districts can read at grade level. Our public school system is an absolute disaster. It's only purpose at this point in time is to reinforce the political and ideological views of the teachers.
its because the students dont put in the effort, their parents dont help them learn or make them study or provide discipline. the teachers can only do so much its not their fault especially when in many schools they are too busy disciplining the students who refuse to behave.
Agreed. I’m very worried about this problem of licensing. A teachers license is such trash. I could not care less whether someone has a degree. I want people that demonstrated ability in the real world to then come back and teach that subject. We’ve made that impossible in K-12
The average public school teacher ranked in the bottom 7-5 percent of their graduating class. We are entrusting our children's education to those least qualified to provide it.
As a retired NYC public school teacher, I tell you, I had direct contact with Randi Weingarten when she was the head of the UFT, the city teachers union. She defended an assistant teacher who was sleeping during the school day. We teachers were supposedly this woman's supervisors, but we literally could not wake her up. Then said woman accuses us of stuff, harasses us in the hallways about it, and our school union rep would do nothing about it. Would not schedule a meeting even. I left that school and landed in a place where the parents complained that I "taught too much science." Just crazy. But, I taught children to read, write, do basic math with confidence and my speciality, I taught them the basics of science observation and scientific method.
Excellent! The scientific method: Observation, Classification, Hypothesis, Testing, (reflection). English, the common story: character, conflict, context, try and fail (up to 3 times), then try and fail (tragedy) or succeed (smiles). Math story problems can follow the same story line: John borrows $10 and buys a book for $8. He auctions it online and it goes for $6. He buys a lamp for $6 and auctions it for $5. He buys a comic book for $6 and sells it for $4. He buys a lamp for $5 and sells it for $100. Can he pay back the loan and have money left over? English and math.
Our kids went to public charter school that drew from diverse communities. Lots of my kids classmates graduated and were first in their family to go to college. A Stanford study maybe 10 years ago found public charter schools most effective method for helping children learn and achieve more from poor communities. Competition is good. One of our kids became a teacher and left the profession after a few years due to poor administration that focused on teaching things other than learning.
More parents need to be open to the idea of home schooling their children. The only way for positive change to happen with any permanence, is for parents to force the corrupt system to wither on the vine for lack of participation.
I know, I know. It's not for everyone. I wouldn't even attempt to argue it's something everyone should do, or even try. But I *know* that there are far many more parents out there who are capable of it, have the chops for it, than would ever think they do. A large part of the problem with the current system is that compulsory schooling is used far too often by parents as a glorified babysitter while both parents work, and nobody even stops to think about why both parents *have to* work! But I digress...if the system finally did collapse under its own weight and parents took back the responsibility that so many of them claim to desire, it can only benefit children in the long run.
People who go through 6 years of college intending to go back to public school are not the best and brightest. They’re more like those type of prisoners who become institutionalized and simply can’t cope with the outside world.
One of the most frustrating things in education is the tendency to pass kids who should be held back. I teach high school and am amazed at how badly they write, spell, read, and think. The curriculum doesn’t do favors either. It doesn’t emphasize content knowledge but focuses on reading comprehension and critical thinking skills which do not exist independently according to cognitive science. Critical thinking and reading comprehension skills depend on content knowledge which is being denied to students.
@@rebekahmontesdeoca565 Luckily I figured out early on, that mastery of the base allows you to coast through everything else. Well, on further reflection, maybe coasting isn't such good idea.
Hand in hand with 'no taxation without representation' we should have every expectation that education, which we pay taxes for, follows the same point. Education should reflect the desires of the parents, not The Government.
$0.5M is spent on every class. $17,500/student X 24 students per class. Where is all of the money going? I could teach 4 kids in my living room for $80k/year and guarantee that they'll pass the GED by the 8th grade.
District I’m at spends on average 11.5k per student. We are in the top 10 for the entire county. Adjacent school have ballooned to 22.5k with most kids not being proficient in math and/or reading
@@RuffiRaggaMuff The #1 ranked private high school school in my state was very 'poor' compared with nearby competing high schools. It did not have sports facilities or amenities like cafeterias or auditoriums and the teachers. I have a hard time thinking of anything necessary in schools that costs a lot of money
I've been an educator for almost a decade. I teach at a public school, but I do not have a sycophantic devotion to the public school system. One important dimension of the conversation of educational rights that is often missing is the responsibility of the learner. I have worked in title 1 schools with immense financial resources but low levels of academic achievement. The vast majority of these students fail to achieve academically because they are incorrigible. They don't attend to lessons, don't complete classwork, homework (many of my colleagues have stopped assigning it altogether because students never complete the work), and fail to take accountability for their learning. The attitudes of the students, parents, and the community also play a huge role in the success of a school.
I was in a school like what you describe. The issue wasn't the teachers, it was the students and their parents. I wonder a if possible solution would entail allowing schools to issue what I would term an expulsion certificate to troublesome students, basically stating their time in the school system is over until they are adults and they are not to even think of setting foot on school property as they have no reason to do so. Unfortunately, that's only a bandaid to a more severe problem: it's been estimated that half the kids born in the USA are unwanted and unplanned for.
That’s called competition in the free market. Bad schools need to compete or they’ll fail. That’s the whole point. The rich can just buy a house in a better district anyway.
As a former public school parent and now going into the 4th year of homeschooling parent, our education system is a mess. I truly feel sorry for public school kids. Thank you for speaking out on this and being a voice for the voiceless. Homeschooling gets a bad name from public school pressure. Public schools take the freedom out of our life. Get rid of teacher unions, they work for the teacher not the child.
I taught one computer science class at the local highschool. They had no computers so we did a kick off on the product and a round table brainstorm on how to automate the government away. The kids loved it. I was not invited back.
The Federal Dept. of Education was formed in 1979, around 45 years ago. I would challenge any of those myopic souls who foolishly believe that government is the "best" vehicle for improving education to show any measure of achievement in education improvement in those near 5 decades. Unfortunately, those types of people value intentions far more than actual outcomes................that's how virtue signally works.
In my experience all public services are mediocre at best and damaging at worst. Also very expensive to pay for through taxes and inflation. Homeschooling is of course illegal where I live.
Parents need to understand that education is a privilege and not a right. Also parents are full capable of educating THEIR own children. Equity has tied hands of teachers to do any consequences and are forced to tolerate children that throw chairs and stab other children with scissors. So if parents have school choice then schools should have student choice.
Public schooling is neither “privilege” nor “right”, it’s a tool of dictators to control by indoctrination and brainwashing. Rights are not compulsory. Wonder what you might have been trying to say. Yes, parents can be better at teaching their children, particularly if not themselves the typical public school product.
Interesting that YT censors deletes replies, including those related to this. Education is not a privilege nor right, it is compulsory indoctrination so that wannabe controllers can control. That also seems part of why public schooling results in so many discipline issues.
There is no correlation between the amount of money spent on a school and the quality of grades a student receives. The only things that have shown to positively affect a student's grades - positive family time and quality sleep at night.
You don’t need to be rich to homeschool. Watch, there are plenty of support groups and organizations for it. Parents should take back their power and raising their children.
The valedictorian from my engineering college was homeschooled and was a perfectly normal well adjusted guy. I did not know about the home schooling part until after I'd know him for a few years
My wife graduated a few years back (maybe more like 21-22 years ago) and was a "Gold Key" member which requires an overall GPA of 3.5 or higher upon graduation. At the Gold Key banquet, as they announced each major the Gold Key members from that major would go up and get their Key. Most all majors had 6-12 graduates who were awarded a Key, the lowest number were those who majored in Physics with only 3 members. The major who had the most students getting the Key was teaching and they had over 140 graduates get the Key. For reference, the second highest number were those in marketing and there were 18 of them. From my understanding, the major at the school we went to with the lowest average SAT scores was teaching.
All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.
Teachers union and nurses union are two of the most successful organized labor organizations. Members are predominantly female.They've weaponized Caring.
Their strength is in how dependent we've become on them. That's why the teacher's union is so opposed to private and charter schools and school vouchers. It lessens our dependence upon a particular school
Give a man a fish. Feed him for a day. TEACH him how to fish. Feed him for life. Entire generations of poorer kids are not taught"how to fish" and it's such a travesty. Like the biggest travesty in the world. That I almost think that those in power DON"T WANT these poorer people to know how to fish. Because they will become a threat to the position of those in power. So instead the ones in power keep the schools bad. And teach them useless stuff like DEI instead of practical knowledge and skills. Seriously why can't a poor kid go to a 5 star elementary school? Because they will become competition that's why.
@@stevewoitas7217 This issue is the last vestige of "systemic racism". Any minority "activist" or minority in government that doesn't make this their #1 issue are simply useful idiots and doing the dirty work of the ones at the top that hold the true power. And no, GIVING someone a position inside an organization or near the top will not fix the issue. Notice how only more useful idiots that push DEI are allowed in. It's because the ones that hold the true power know that these diversity hires are not a threat because they don't know anything and have no practical skills to become a threat. These useful idiots usually only screw things up and end up solidifying the position of those that hold the true power. This is because educating literal MILLIONS of these poorer kids with useful, practical knowledge will only level the playing field. It will level it too much for some people's comfort. Because there is only so much room at the top.
I know a public school teacher. She got a 'best teacher in the state' type award a couple years ago. Her kids are in private school. That tells me everything I need to know about public school. That being said, you can get as much out of school as you put into it.
Even when I was going to school. When first presented with a "Scantron" test. I knew from that point that it was never about education. It was programming. Input/output your grade was based on how close you were to perfect regurgitation. Application was never the goal.
*The wisest thing that should be on everyone's mind currently should be to invest in different streams of income that don't depend on the government. Especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver, and digital currencies (BTC, ETH...)*
I began investing in stocks and Def earlier this year, and it is the best choice l've ever made. My portfolio is rounding up to almost a million and I have realized that when a stock makes it to the news, chances are you're quite late to the party, the idea is to get in early on blue chips before it becomes public. There are lots of life changing opportunities in the market, and maximize it.
I had a Geometry teacher that told parents that HS freshmen did not belong in her class. I had gone to summer school to get ahead of my peers to get into that class. I really enjoy math, especially math under pressure. I did not like doing homework. If you did not do your homework you had to go to the board and solve problems - proofs. Oh how I loved that pressure. One day I look at the problem and thought, "everyone will solve with the measure of the triangle sides. So let's do it with the angles." When I finished, the teacher said, "That's not how I would have done it, but it works. " To which I responded, by erasing my work and re-doing it "her" way. One week before the end of the semester, she called my Mother and told her that I had not done my homework and I woudl fail if I did not get it ALL turned in before then last day. I had to sit and go through these remarkably simple problems for a week. She gave me a "C" which kept me from being eligible for a hop to a "combo" of Alg II + Trig which set the stage for two years of higher math classes. Calc, Analyitical Geometry and so one. She stopped my math career in its tracks. Then a Chemistry teacher who did not like my older brother (8 yrs older) took efforts to get me out of her class. I ended HS with so many history classes it was just shameful. I had more awesome teachers, but these absolutely pathetic, frankly childish, ones can put a serious hurt on one's academic future. I still love math, but it has only been a hobby in my life and that is frustrating.
A coworker who was going to school to be a teacher was so proud when she graduated and passed her certification exam. She also asked me if one of our coworkers was from Pakistania. I wish I was kidding.
You can send a kid to school, but you can't make him learn. That's a big part of the problem in public schools. No discipline is allowed. Just push them through to the next grade.
as a teacher, the big issues is parents refusing to parent, unions protecting idiots who don't teach, and admins being more obsessed with school image and buzzwords than results.
I went to public schools, graduated highschool in 2012, I thought school was pretty good. Im friends with alot of my old teachers and they say kids nowadays are terrible. No respect. Im glad we didnt really have phones or social media back then. i think those are terrible for kids, especially in school.
The teachers union is an example of a bad union. Sure they get benefits for their members, but look at the cost to the public. Not all unions are desirable, especially when they develop an unhealthy relationship with politicians. The unions gets what they want, the politicians get votes and support, and the public gets the bill.
My only thoughts on eduction is this. I got the highest iowa basics test score in two grades. The grades in the middle my teachers hated me, my grades dropped. I became homeschool, was barely in the top 10% out of 7k kids in my grade. Took homeschool highschool from my state for all highschool, i finished highschool in 1.6 years, doing class 3 hours a day, four days a week. My mid range college used books from my international standards elementary school homeschool in two different classes. And i graduated magna cum laude from college. Yes half my time in public school i was the problem child, constantly in recess detention, meaning what few friends i had i lost. Why? Because i would get my work sheets done in 15 minutes rather than the hour my teachers wanted. I got vocabulary work done in 10, rather than 40 because i figured out what a glossary and index was on my own. But i was the problem.
I'm a newly credentialed special education teacher in an independent study charter school. I was attracted to charters in part because most do not participate in unions. I will never join a teachers union. Nope. Not ever. Not negotiable. Edit to add: I also homeschooled my own kids for a total of 16 years across 5 kids, and i was a huge fan of John Taylor Gatto etc. i still became a teacher because that's where my heart is, but teaching at a regular school isn't for me.
Our biggest problem here is the community has been brainwashed to think teachers are so desperately low paid and we have to feel sorry for them and give them presents and take their word on everything. I know since my sister was a teacher in our area, that they got paid well and yet always had the "woe is me" attitude on how hard it was to teach and excuse after excuse for why they failed to do their jobs right. All the while flocks of parental cheer leaders told them how great they were and kissed there feet. I went to University with Education majors....they had the easiest classes and it was basically a party degree. Yet now I have to treat them like they were brain surgeons? We need to demand better teachers.
The elephant in the room is that a large percentage of the overall population, and staggering percentages of certain populations lack the IQ necessary to complete high school level work. We have lowered standard to the point that some of those people now teach!!!!
I am a huge fan of neighborhood schooling pods where groups of parents hire teachers to teach their kids at home. Their kids would be safer, get better 1 on 1 time, teachers would get paid better, and the government could subsidize it for communities that need it.
Also the amount of times teachers I knew personally complained about the system, the unions, and their jobs was terrifying. Worse still was when they would refuse any ideas or changes that might actually fix the problem. Somehow the only issues they would accept are people making mistakes and never the sacred "public school system".
When I first started teaching 33 years ago, I joined NEA and our local union. I quickly learned that the NEA didn't care about the students. After my second year as a member, I did not rejoin. It didn't seem as bas then as it is now, but the current leadership needs major help. They are plain sick! I don't think all public schools are bad. We have a different mentality here in rural America and we have a pretty good school where I work. We want what's best for our students and keep open communication with our parents.
We appreciate your directness. Everything you said is undeniably true. Public schools are intended to create angry, dependent people who look to government for solutions to all their problems.
Everyone is guilty of saying or thinking this at least a few times in their lives, but they see something incredibly dumb others have said or done, we might think "this is why we need more money for education." I've gotten away from that thinking in the last decade just because even a cursory look can tell you it's a very uncritical thought. More money only benefits those that know how to use it properly. If I need a new car, don't give me $40K for a new car because that assumes I know how to shop for prices and balance what i need versus what is practical, and understand potential reasons why the 1 year old used car is only $40K with 5K miles. If all I'm doing is throwing money, especially gifted money around at my problems, then I don't understand what my problems actually are. I said more or less just that elsewhere and the dog piling was actually quite funny and tragic as the responses were mostly emotional bleating, and especially so after asking if more school funding would have raised their reading comprehension to a level that would allow them to understand that what I said is different from what they think I said.
I am NOT rich. I live in South Central Los Angeles, California. I budget extremely tight, in order to Homeschool my grandson because he is worth it to me.
They don’t talk about ANY of the interactions that we have with government. Taxes, the police, courts, their rights in those places. Etc. Zero talk of the fed or how the money system works. Completely run by old women and feminine men.
Here’s the thing though aren’t the students the problem; what happens to a neighborhood when one bad family moves in… the good leave and those that can’t afford the move are stuck in the same thing!
Then break the rules and do what you think is right. Keeping quiet when the emperor has no clothes is part of the problem. Also, teachers are not our best and brightest.
@@fishmonger7020 False. That is not true and if parents are sending their kids there, they are not the best and brightest. I took 4 years of Calculus and I am in the top 1% of math students. Most of my colleagues did the same. The science department is also filled with smart people. I was also impressed by my language arts colleagues. If you stand up you get fired.
“Better to have equality in failure than inequality in success” You absolutely nailed it. People don’t even realize this is what they believe though. Very few people examine an idea to its logical and realistic end. It seems most simply repeat the rhetoric they’ve been fed rather than actually think about it. This in itself is a result of the modern public education system where you’re taught to regurgitate answers you’ve been fed rather than think for yourself.
Another reason I’m grateful to have graduated high school in ‘84. I can do math, write, spell, etc., and think. Basic speaking and writing is a lost art and getting worse. Fundamentals communication skills are fading away. So few now understand what a sentence and paragraph are.
Your eBay comment was very fitting! Yes, it was a great avenue for doing your own little business… until the GOVERNMENT got involved! I stopped selling on there because they just started slamming you with taxes! On USED stuff!!! It ended up being not worth it anymore… Government takes away your choices and ruins everything!
Between rent and my daughter’s private school, 85% of my paycheck is gone. Life will get better when my wife can find work but until then, we gladly make the sacrifice for that education.
My question has always been if parents can use their tax dollars for school choice what happens to people with no children? Do I get to choose where my tax dollars go? Can I avoid school tax altogether?
I've been sa,ing this all the time. The American schooling situation is communism vs capitalism, where in the normalized industrial system runs by a communist principle of everyone needing to arrive at the same place in the same time and the private/non-profit/independent schools are playing by capitalistic principles of efficiency and efficacy dictating their survival. True to the macro-governance as in this single sector scenario, the market is out performing in both results and average costs according to recent stats as of 2022-2023 i just saw that stated the average per student expenditure in the US industrial public system is over $18k per year while private school per student tuition averages only $16k...😅 so riddle me this: if the industrial system has the advantage of an economy of scale and infrastructure, why on earth would private schools, including those running on incredibly small scales, be BOTH out performing in expense AND outcomes?
My favorite: Teachers living outside of the district in which they work recruiting children to pimp their tax levy on the actual residents of the district, who pay for these teachers.
End the government. this country was built without most of the government that exists today. If we want progress, it won’t happen with hierarchy and politics.
Separation of school and state. Also, private schools mostly suck. NAIS is toeing the statist line. Lots of psychopathy in privates too, with less recourse for parents.
I teach public school. There are many wonderful teachers doing excellent work. They are beautiful, polished, effective cogs inside a garbage system. My kids are home schooled.
Former SpEd teacher here. Another issue public schools face is litigation. A lot of parents and organizations are poised and ready to sue school districts for any number of violations; special education, civil rights, safety issues, etc. In these large, diverse, teeming public schools, there is so much that can go wrong on a daily basis from fights, accidents, bullying and threats, illness, discipline issues, etc. Public schools have to walk a fine line with a lot of regulations on what they can and cannot do. Plus public schools are facing an epidemic of safety threats. Not an easy job.
Before I retired (7yrs ago) I road a train to and from work 5 days a week. On that train were a lot of public school teachers many of whom I chatted with on and while waiting for trains, and even made some good friends. All of them, literally hated their job. Many were former private school teachers and the reason they went to public school was for the money and retirement. They had some of the most amazing stories on what happened in school that, well amazed us and some were so bazar and bad stories other teachers would chim up and support the teacher that was sharing things they dealt with. Also, I learned that teaches are second rate people in the school system. This has been going on for decades, and it's surprising how much parents do not know or care about. All the teachers agreed that if you get rid of the teachers union, an immediate improvement will occur, and if you get rid of all the support staff, well than you will really get an improvement. I will share one bizar confirmed story. In the 8th grade there was a kid that was so bad, an adult staff member was assigned to her to protect the other students from her. Literally an on campus escort. Anyway, this subject is of most importance and as academia is the primary CAUSE of the craziness we are experiencing in today's world this needs exposure and conversation to get it fixed.
School choice helped our schools so much in Charleston, SC. In yesterdays local paper I read our courts have passed a law? that choice is unconstitutional. Ugh.
Related to flow states. Through dumb luck I was able to take several microeconomics type classes and applied and discrete math in one semester . These are all very related it was incredible how I connected everything and it all became so natural
School choice would lower the size of classrooms in the schools that struggle the most. Giving the kids left behind an advantage…. Maybe Teachers really want kids in school because they are getting more money per child. We need to make sure they have what they need without depending on the size of the classroom. If you give a school more money and the teachers vote on weather to hire another teacher to decrease the size of the classroom, or get a raise, the teachers choose raise every time.
It would be amazing if the government gave us some money back (that we pay with our property taxes) to homeschool our 6 children (without strings attached)!
Small problem. You can not refute government intervention in "educating the poor" in the current system because by definition, the governement is involved by taxes.
If you find yourself in a group setting, where you feel very uncomfortable, as if you’re surrounded by cult followers, remember and hold onto your faculty of reason.
Right on - that’s hilarious - I was psych/ Econ double major, and the two people I knew who were doing awful in their psych classes, switched to elementary education. Frightening, for real!!
People crying about college education being so expensive today don't think about how much remedial material is covered because of the failure of public schools. They have to be taught how to read and write as freshmen in college.
The only reason that a market wouldn't deliver something is if the people lack the will to make it happen. Mail delivery? Rural electrification and internet? Education for marginalized people? The only reason those things wouldn't happen in a free market is if the people who claim to care about them didn't step up and make them happen
Teachers become disillusioned because the parents haven’t parented. Their children make it so difficult to teach the rest of the class that teachers become worn out playing whack a mole. It’s exhausting. And God forbid teachers actually reprimand students. The parents rarely back you up. It’s always some bullshit why their kid is a unique circumstance.
I've taught in 3 different states, and in different districts within one of those states. People don't usually realize how different each state can be and how different districts within each state can be. Even within a district, schools are very different. I retired from a good district and all my children graduated from that district and are responsible, productive adults. You can't lump all public schools together.
That’s fair but the point is that the system doesn’t promote continual improvement or learning from what works because there’s no feedback loop or competition. So you end up with the luck of the draw and the neighborhood you can afford.
@@DadSavesAmerica "the system"? You're still thinking of it as a monolith. Fire Departments, Police Departments, Rec Departments, etc. will vary from city to city and state to state. They will never be the same. People should change it from within or move if they don't like it.
I went to an alternative high school. If kids caused problems they were sent there. But they were more flexible and gave these kids multiple chances. This way they werent distracting everyone at the regular school where they couldn't hack it or fit in. At our school, if you were causing problems, you were asked to leave for the day. You could come back tomorrow, fresh start, try again. So everyone else could keep working. If you were having a rough day, emotionally, problems at home, you could ask to leave and come back later. Kids actually appreciated this and didnt abuse it. But they did not just allow violence. Kids had fights, they were given multiple chances but they still had punishments. The main goal was to give kids a second chance but also to provide a place where they could finish school isolated, able to focus, in an environment that helped problem kids. We had small class sizes so teachers could keep control, pay attention, help everyone.
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The public school system acts in the interest of the public school system, not the public in general.
You are wise.
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Yes. That is every bureaucracy because to lead a bureaucracy you must be a ruthless psychopath or the system will chew you up and spit you out. Very Machiavellian.
Perhaps we can go further and say it only serves the psychopaths at the head of these bureaucracies. You cannot be nice and normal to climb the ruthless bureaucratic ladder.
The amount of money and resources spent “educating” the bottom 1% of students is obscene.
Bottom 1% 😂
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gov is only required to ensure everyone has ACCESS to an education. The gov need not PROVIDE that education, and in fact SHOULD NOT provide education themselves.
@SoloRenegade the government is required to not hinder access to education. Our government is supposed to operate on negatives, meaning things they're NOT allowed to do.
Not things the government (aka taxpayers) owe you.
@@radagast7200 in a society where people can’t explain Habeas Corpus to a fifth grader Government does what it wants and follows its nature of self interest.
@SoloRenegade
In the early 19th century, most of the United States had no requirement for American children to attend any classes or school. Wealthy families and bisiness owners sent their children to private schools or hired a tutor to teach their children. There is nothing worse than having most of the population being illiterate or semi illiterate. Then, education reformers worked to ensure public schools were established to educate the majority of Americans. State governments later began mandating public school attendance up to a certain age.
Getting the government out of education is going to ensure children and teenagers are educated? How will that work?
Billionaire and multi millionaire opponents of public schools and advocates of school choice, such Charles Koch of Koch Industries and Former Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, are trying to eliminate public schools to get a tax cut. It is not enough that they are wealthy, but they want to obtain more money even if it eliminates educating the majority of Americans. Who wants to return to an illiterate nation? I met numerous people who quit school at 16 and younger. The U.S. gains nothing when people are incapable of making beneficial decisions throughout their lives. The countries with the most educated population have people with more skills, and there is less crime. You might reconsider your position of getting the government out of schools.
Equality in failure vs inequality in success.
That's a great mini quote.
Teachers fear competition. Competition would reveal how bad at their jobs they really are. They give zero fucks about the kids.
Ever read Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut. It's not a long read, but it's a good one.
@@tombrown5508 - That's a gross overstatement. Now, the administrators in offices outside the schools who run the system? Yes, those people, for the most part, don't care about the kids - at least the kids are low on their priority list. They care about keeping the system running at all costs - even by moving the system in directions away from what is best for the students in the system. But most teachers do care about kids. Even though many of them are completely wrong in their thinking and actually doing harm in some cases, they do care about the kids. But the more nasty slander shown towards teachers like what you displayed in your comment, the more and more competent people will continue to leave the profession. And for every one of us competent teachers who leave, you get another green or purple haired activist teaching the kids. Competent people don't have to take the crap. These others are happy to have a teaching position, because what else are they going to do? The problem is the system. The teachers don't run the system - they just work within it. Aim your anger higher up.
It's not what students know when they graduate from high school that matters. It's when they realize how much they don't know.
They always claim to be against bullies.
Oh the irony
It's gross how they latch on to actual problems actual kids have to bolster their agendas.
I was going to school to be a teacher as a TA in public schools… Every single teacher told me to RUN! Thank goodness I listened. They saved my sanity.
You might have helped to defend our schools from these Marxist pests.
I was basically told the same thing by some veteran teachers during my first year as a public high school teacher. Though there have been some really rewarding times and events over the years (almost two decades now), there are consistent, lasting low periods that make me think I should have listened. I don't encourage any young people to pursue teaching as a career. It's a system run by people described in this video - most people with an education degree aren't the cream of the crop. But those are the people who rise to leadership positions. People who haven't done much in life and only know the education system. They keep making the same mistakes because it's what they know. It's what they've been fed, and all they've been fed. As someone who came in from a different industry, it can be quite maddening and frustrating to say the least.
I tried it. 18 years ago. I lasted 2 months. Can't ever go back unless DRASTIC changes are made. Simply can't. And I know for a fact those changes haven't been made in the interim. In fact, smart phones made things worse.
I realized it while I was in teachers college almost 30 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten much much worse
I was a proud ed major in college back in the early 90s. During my observation period at a local high school, I switched majors. The teachers warned me against teaching... and not just me. Most of my classmates were getting the same advice from teachers they were shadowing. To this day, I have no regrets.
My Mom taught in public schools for more than 4 decades before retiring, with a doctorate, because first grade was what she LOVED to teach. When she started teaching, she says that other than teachers you had only a very small number of non-teaching school employees in a typical school (e.g. principal, asst. principal, receptionist, janitors, cafeteria workers). By the time she retired, her school had over 14 people in "administration" at the elementary school, even though the school was virtually the same size as it was when she started. All of these roles were counted in the "teacher" part of the student/teacher ratios that were touted publicly. My Mom had no idea what many of these people did. Public schools have, sadly, become a money-pit largely because the teacher's unions treat them as nothing but a money-grab. There are many amazing, wonderful teachers in the public schools, but I suspect that group is slowly being ground down (and out) by the machine that wants mediocrity (or worse) in order to mask the abject failure that our public schools have largely become.
FYI - my Mom thought the union was a valuable resource when she was early in her career, but she came to loathe the union and its misplaced goals as her career progressed. She now considers the unions as the number one adversary of excellence in schools.
I think her assessment of the machine and union have is spot on and unfortunately has crept and taken over many institutions.
Thank you for your insight!
A couple thoughts...
* The key advantage of private (and most charter) schools is that they can send disruptive students and bad teachers away
* The key weakness of public schools, besides the above, is that they can't discipline the kids
* Basing all salary/promotion on time-in-service is a recipe for mediocracy at best
Great thoughts. All true.
Can’t or won’t? There’s a difference. And I think the same is true of the rest of the issues in public education- the teachers, principals, parents, and kids don’t give a crap about education. This doesn’t happen as much in other countries. Kids in Asia and Europe kick our kids asses in educational attainment.
Most HS graduates of public school would struggle with a text written at a tenth grade level. Most top out at functional literacy which is a 6th grade level of reading. Basically read a fairly simple text (let’s say it’s an instruction sheet on how to bake. And they read something like that and can pick out main ideas. In other countries, they can teach the vast majority of kids to read well. This includes Japan where there are three complete writing systems that a student has to learn. Public schools in Japan can teach kids to read kanji and both types of kana and we can’t teach ours to read alphabetic English.
The same is true in maths. Any kid in Europe or Asia, even the kids that those systems don’t think can handle university can absorb pretty complex algebra concepts. They can understand statistics and probability. These abilities allow their kids to understand sciences. They can do it and do it in public schools.
What’s changed is that basically everyone passes whether or not anyone learns anything, everyone is college bound no matter what, and failure is a dirty word. Which means that there’s no feedback. If a poorly performing student were either sent down to a lower track (say for trades) he and his parents get a wake up call. Either he does his studies and works harder to learn the material, or he doesn’t go to college. Second removing those students from the mainstream classes means fewer disruptions, less acting out, and more learning. Finally, it allows truly gifted students to do much more advanced learning than they can now because they aren’t held back by the slowest kid in the class who can barely add.
@@TheresaReichley I wonder how many people in East Asia marry and plan all their kids. How few just ended up forgetting out condoms and ending up making stupid kids?
Tenure is the worst thing I've ever heard of! If you're not good at your job you should lose it. I don't care how long you've been doing it. If anything that just begs the question have you ever been good at it? I went to school with a teacher who was about 80 years old Aunt death from age. Whenever she turned her back all of the students in the class would just out loud make fun of her. She was an elderly white woman and a majority black school. It was ridiculous she was allowed to continue teaching. But she had tenure!
@@TheresaReichleyThey can't. It's called tenure.
We need to bring back trades in high school. Most children are not going to be College material as we have seen by the useless degrees that some of these young people have gotten through the years. They would have been better off getting a trade as an electrician, HVAC tech, a auto mechanic or any other service type of blue collar job. They would have been happier as well with no debt from student loans.
Career academy education opportunities are definitely needed
My high school had a careers center attached to the school where you could take classes for auto repair, auto body repair, home building and many more.
De-centralization. More trade programs. More variety. More menu options. Less one-size-fits-all.
And we need to stop telling students they are "less than" if they get blue collar jobs
I realized a shot while ago that the powers that be DONT WANT kids to graduate knowing how to do any of those independent hands on skills. They want workers. They KNOW kids need more hands on real world skills...it's INTENTIONALLY left out. And one of two shop classes aren't enough.
I look at this simplistically.. Most public schools ARE WAY TOO LARGE.. Absolutely WAY TOO LARGE. When the ratio of kids to teachers goes down then we will see a return to accountability. On the kids, the teachers and the school board!
People may disagree with thus but most schools are way too large.
Yup. Daughter goes to k -8 school of 300. Like a big family and can do great things
And the parents!
except no one is going to fund new schools and the requirements for teaching is too high with too little reward
@@XerockYou must not be paying attention. New schools are being built all over.
I totally agree. smaller schools, smaller class sizes, smaller organizational structures....
I was a School Teacher at the Gerald R Ford Job Corps Center in Grand Rapids Michigan and was fired after I defended a child that was Raped by a staff member and then forced to get an abortion.
The Rapist continued to be employed, my family became homeless.
My god that is horrible. But sadly I believe it. All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.
Where did the union stand on your situation?
I am sorry this happened to you.
davidsingh6944 how do you teach the dumb kids?
Less than 50% of kids in Urban school districts can read at grade level. Our public school system is an absolute disaster. It's only purpose at this point in time is to reinforce the political and ideological views of the teachers.
And make them dependent on the government.
Babysitting and Political leftist programming.
its because the students dont put in the effort, their parents dont help them learn or make them study or provide discipline. the teachers can only do so much its not their fault especially when in many schools they are too busy disciplining the students who refuse to behave.
"Urban" kids. Why not just say it? You mean Black and Hispanic kids right? You're certainly not talking about Asian kids or Jewish kids right?
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Basic Logic, When 1 side has monopoly, it will go awful..
Indeed, monopoly, centrally planned economy, central bank - government bond financed public sector.
Dumbest kids in college were education majors. Best teachers are masters in their field with passion for the subject.
Yep. "One size fits all" education....doesn't!
Agreed. I’m very worried about this problem of licensing. A teachers license is such trash. I could not care less whether someone has a degree. I want people that demonstrated ability in the real world to then come back and teach that subject. We’ve made that impossible in K-12
The old saying Those who can't do teach
The average public school teacher ranked in the bottom 7-5 percent of their graduating class. We are entrusting our children's education to those least qualified to provide it.
I had passion for the subject, but not for kids. I didn't last.
The problem with public sector unions is that nobody is at the negotiating table for the taxpayer.
You nailed it.
As a retired NYC public school teacher, I tell you, I had direct contact with Randi Weingarten when she was the head of the UFT, the city teachers union. She defended an assistant teacher who was sleeping during the school day. We teachers were supposedly this woman's supervisors, but we literally could not wake her up. Then said woman accuses us of stuff, harasses us in the hallways about it, and our school union rep would do nothing about it. Would not schedule a meeting even. I left that school and landed in a place where the parents complained that I "taught too much science." Just crazy. But, I taught children to read, write, do basic math with confidence and my speciality, I taught them the basics of science observation and scientific method.
Excellent! The scientific method: Observation, Classification, Hypothesis, Testing, (reflection). English, the common story: character, conflict, context, try and fail (up to 3 times), then try and fail (tragedy) or succeed (smiles). Math story problems can follow the same story line: John borrows $10 and buys a book for $8. He auctions it online and it goes for $6. He buys a lamp for $6 and auctions it for $5. He buys a comic book for $6 and sells it for $4. He buys a lamp for $5 and sells it for $100. Can he pay back the loan and have money left over? English and math.
Our kids went to public charter school that drew from diverse communities. Lots of my kids classmates graduated and were first in their family to go to college. A Stanford study maybe 10 years ago found public charter schools most effective method for helping children learn and achieve more from poor communities. Competition is good. One of our kids became a teacher and left the profession after a few years due to poor administration that focused on teaching things other than learning.
You “taught too much science”!!!!! I’m over here audibly howling! They lost a good one in you.
You're not supposed to teach the scientific method... you're suppose to teach The Science.
@@kathyg4906 Charter schools are a blessing. I just hope they don't get infiltrated by 'activists' like everything else.
More parents need to be open to the idea of home schooling their children. The only way for positive change to happen with any permanence, is for parents to force the corrupt system to wither on the vine for lack of participation.
I know, I know. It's not for everyone. I wouldn't even attempt to argue it's something everyone should do, or even try. But I *know* that there are far many more parents out there who are capable of it, have the chops for it, than would ever think they do. A large part of the problem with the current system is that compulsory schooling is used far too often by parents as a glorified babysitter while both parents work, and nobody even stops to think about why both parents *have to* work!
But I digress...if the system finally did collapse under its own weight and parents took back the responsibility that so many of them claim to desire, it can only benefit children in the long run.
People who go through 6 years of college intending to go back to public school are not the best and brightest.
They’re more like those type of prisoners who become institutionalized and simply can’t cope with the outside world.
Perfect description.
Great analogy
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One of the most frustrating things in education is the tendency to pass kids who should be held back. I teach high school and am amazed at how badly they write, spell, read, and think. The curriculum doesn’t do favors either. It doesn’t emphasize content knowledge but focuses on reading comprehension and critical thinking skills which do not exist independently according to cognitive science. Critical thinking and reading comprehension skills depend on content knowledge which is being denied to students.
Oregon and a few other places have dropped reading requirements for high school graduation. America's competitors are laughing.
Higher order thinking cannot exist without the base of content knowledge to stand on.
@@rebekahmontesdeoca565 Luckily I figured out early on, that mastery of the base allows you to coast through everything else. Well, on further reflection, maybe coasting isn't such good idea.
mattfuller...how do you teach the dumb kids who try hard?
Hand in hand with 'no taxation without representation' we should have every expectation that education, which we pay taxes for, follows the same point. Education should reflect the desires of the parents, not The Government.
$0.5M is spent on every class. $17,500/student X 24 students per class. Where is all of the money going? I could teach 4 kids in my living room for $80k/year and guarantee that they'll pass the GED by the 8th grade.
District I’m at spends on average 11.5k per student. We are in the top 10 for the entire county. Adjacent school have ballooned to 22.5k with most kids not being proficient in math and/or reading
@@RuffiRaggaMuff The #1 ranked private high school school in my state was very 'poor' compared with nearby competing high schools. It did not have sports facilities or amenities like cafeterias or auditoriums and the teachers. I have a hard time thinking of anything necessary in schools that costs a lot of money
@@sdrc92126 special Ed services and transportation I think is the bulk but there is also administration. It’s getting out of control.
I've been an educator for almost a decade. I teach at a public school, but I do not have a sycophantic devotion to the public school system. One important dimension of the conversation of educational rights that is often missing is the responsibility of the learner. I have worked in title 1 schools with immense financial resources but low levels of academic achievement. The vast majority of these students fail to achieve academically because they are incorrigible. They don't attend to lessons, don't complete classwork, homework (many of my colleagues have stopped assigning it altogether because students never complete the work), and fail to take accountability for their learning. The attitudes of the students, parents, and the community also play a huge role in the success of a school.
I was in a school like what you describe. The issue wasn't the teachers, it was the students and their parents. I wonder a if possible solution would entail allowing schools to issue what I would term an expulsion certificate to troublesome students, basically stating their time in the school system is over until they are adults and they are not to even think of setting foot on school property as they have no reason to do so. Unfortunately, that's only a bandaid to a more severe problem: it's been estimated that half the kids born in the USA are unwanted and unplanned for.
The real issue is that public schools would lose taxpayer money if the government let citizens have their hard-earned money back for private schools.
That’s called competition in the free market. Bad schools need to compete or they’ll fail. That’s the whole point. The rich can just buy a house in a better district anyway.
As a former public school parent and now going into the 4th year of homeschooling parent, our education system is a mess. I truly feel sorry for public school kids. Thank you for speaking out on this and being a voice for the voiceless. Homeschooling gets a bad name from public school pressure. Public schools take the freedom out of our life. Get rid of teacher unions, they work for the teacher not the child.
I taught one computer science class at the local highschool. They had no computers so we did a kick off on the product and a round table brainstorm on how to automate the government away. The kids loved it. I was not invited back.
It's a welfare program for adults, not an education program for children.
We just need to hire the same people who've been promising to fix schools since I was in school. They have the experience.
LMFAO. Brilliant!
The Federal Dept. of Education was formed in 1979, around 45 years ago. I would challenge any of those myopic souls who foolishly believe that government is the "best" vehicle for improving education to show any measure of achievement in education improvement in those near 5 decades. Unfortunately, those types of people value intentions far more than actual outcomes................that's how virtue signally works.
Bingo!
Homeschool until the public system is fixed.
In my experience all public services are mediocre at best and damaging at worst. Also very expensive to pay for through taxes and inflation. Homeschooling is of course illegal where I live.
Are you in Germany?
@@DadSavesAmerica Sweden
@Dionysus-gv9lz wtf illegal? Sweden schools are nutty af too I heard
@@Dan16673 I had to change school for my son, there was a systemic problem with gang members recruiting the younger kids. Socialism is hell on earth.
@@Dan16673 new laws were introduced in 2011 making homeschooling illegal
Parents need to understand that education is a privilege and not a right. Also parents are full capable of educating THEIR own children. Equity has tied hands of teachers to do any consequences and are forced to tolerate children that throw chairs and stab other children with scissors. So if parents have school choice then schools should have student choice.
Yup. Cant stand these positive rights arguments
Privileges are not compulsory.
If we pay for something, it's a service. Your argument is nonsensical.
Public schooling is neither “privilege” nor “right”, it’s a tool of dictators to control by indoctrination and brainwashing. Rights are not compulsory. Wonder what you might have been trying to say. Yes, parents can be better at teaching their children, particularly if not themselves the typical public school product.
Interesting that YT censors deletes replies, including those related to this. Education is not a privilege nor right, it is compulsory indoctrination so that wannabe controllers can control. That also seems part of why public schooling results in so many discipline issues.
There is no correlation between the amount of money spent on a school and the quality of grades a student receives. The only things that have shown to positively affect a student's grades - positive family time and quality sleep at night.
"You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a f----n' education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library. "
Thanks for highlighting my comment.😮
Your video content reminds me of one of my favorite USSR quotes: "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."
You don’t need to be rich to homeschool. Watch, there are plenty of support groups and organizations for it. Parents should take back their power and raising their children.
The valedictorian from my engineering college was homeschooled and was a perfectly normal well adjusted guy. I did not know about the home schooling part until after I'd know him for a few years
My wife graduated a few years back (maybe more like 21-22 years ago) and was a "Gold Key" member which requires an overall GPA of 3.5 or higher upon graduation. At the Gold Key banquet, as they announced each major the Gold Key members from that major would go up and get their Key. Most all majors had 6-12 graduates who were awarded a Key, the lowest number were those who majored in Physics with only 3 members. The major who had the most students getting the Key was teaching and they had over 140 graduates get the Key. For reference, the second highest number were those in marketing and there were 18 of them. From my understanding, the major at the school we went to with the lowest average SAT scores was teaching.
I trained to be a math teacher in college. World of difference between the difficulty level of the math and education classes there.
All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.
Teachers union and nurses union are two of the most successful organized labor organizations. Members are predominantly female.They've weaponized Caring.
Their strength is in how dependent we've become on them. That's why the teacher's union is so opposed to private and charter schools and school vouchers. It lessens our dependence upon a particular school
There are states where unionizing is illegal.
Give a man a fish. Feed him for a day. TEACH him how to fish. Feed him for life. Entire generations of poorer kids are not taught"how to fish" and it's such a travesty.
Like the biggest travesty in the world. That I almost think that those in power DON"T WANT these poorer people to know how to fish. Because they will become a threat to the position of those in power. So instead the ones in power keep the schools bad. And teach them useless stuff like DEI instead of practical knowledge and skills. Seriously why can't a poor kid go to a 5 star elementary school? Because they will become competition that's why.
What seems to be taught is "demand a fish because your a victim."
@@stevewoitas7217 This issue is the last vestige of "systemic racism". Any minority "activist" or minority in government that doesn't make this their #1 issue are simply useful idiots and doing the dirty work of the ones at the top that hold the true power. And no, GIVING someone a position inside an organization or near the top will not fix the issue.
Notice how only more useful idiots that push DEI are allowed in. It's because the ones that hold the true power know that these diversity hires are not a threat because they don't know anything and have no practical skills to become a threat. These useful idiots usually only screw things up and end up solidifying the position of those that hold the true power. This is because educating literal MILLIONS of these poorer kids with useful, practical knowledge will only level the playing field. It will level it too much for some people's comfort. Because there is only so much room at the top.
I know a public school teacher. She got a 'best teacher in the state' type award a couple years ago. Her kids are in private school.
That tells me everything I need to know about public school.
That being said, you can get as much out of school as you put into it.
Even when I was going to school. When first presented with a "Scantron" test. I knew from that point that it was never about education. It was programming. Input/output your grade was based on how close you were to perfect regurgitation. Application was never the goal.
*The wisest thing that should be on everyone's mind currently should be to invest in different streams of income that don't depend on the government. Especially with the current economic crisis around the world. This is still a good time to invest in gold, silver, and digital currencies (BTC, ETH...)*
I began investing in stocks and Def earlier this year, and it is the best choice l've ever made. My portfolio is rounding up to almost a million and I have realized that when a stock makes it to the news, chances are you're quite late to the party, the idea is to get in early on blue chips before it becomes public. There are lots of life changing opportunities in the market, and maximize it.
What opportunities are there in the market, and how do I profit from it?
You can make a lot of money from the market regardless of whether it strengthens or crashes. The key is to be well positioned.
I would really like to know how this actually works.
All you need is a good capital and the service of a professional broker, with those your investment will most certainly produce high yields.
I had a Geometry teacher that told parents that HS freshmen did not belong in her class. I had gone to summer school to get ahead of my peers to get into that class. I really enjoy math, especially math under pressure. I did not like doing homework. If you did not do your homework you had to go to the board and solve problems - proofs. Oh how I loved that pressure. One day I look at the problem and thought, "everyone will solve with the measure of the triangle sides. So let's do it with the angles." When I finished, the teacher said, "That's not how I would have done it, but it works. " To which I responded, by erasing my work and re-doing it "her" way. One week before the end of the semester, she called my Mother and told her that I had not done my homework and I woudl fail if I did not get it ALL turned in before then last day. I had to sit and go through these remarkably simple problems for a week. She gave me a "C" which kept me from being eligible for a hop to a "combo" of Alg II + Trig which set the stage for two years of higher math classes. Calc, Analyitical Geometry and so one. She stopped my math career in its tracks. Then a Chemistry teacher who did not like my older brother (8 yrs older) took efforts to get me out of her class. I ended HS with so many history classes it was just shameful.
I had more awesome teachers, but these absolutely pathetic, frankly childish, ones can put a serious hurt on one's academic future. I still love math, but it has only been a hobby in my life and that is frustrating.
A coworker who was going to school to be a teacher was so proud when she graduated and passed her certification exam.
She also asked me if one of our coworkers was from Pakistania.
I wish I was kidding.
You can send a kid to school, but you can't make him learn.
That's a big part of the problem in public schools. No discipline is allowed. Just push them through to the next grade.
as a teacher, the big issues is parents refusing to parent, unions protecting idiots who don't teach, and admins being more obsessed with school image and buzzwords than results.
You can’t fix the schools until you fix the parents
I went to public schools, graduated highschool in 2012, I thought school was pretty good. Im friends with alot of my old teachers and they say kids nowadays are terrible. No respect. Im glad we didnt really have phones or social media back then. i think those are terrible for kids, especially in school.
The teachers union is an example of a bad union. Sure they get benefits for their members, but look at the cost to the public. Not all unions are desirable, especially when they develop an unhealthy relationship with politicians. The unions gets what they want, the politicians get votes and support, and the public gets the bill.
My only thoughts on eduction is this. I got the highest iowa basics test score in two grades. The grades in the middle my teachers hated me, my grades dropped. I became homeschool, was barely in the top 10% out of 7k kids in my grade. Took homeschool highschool from my state for all highschool, i finished highschool in 1.6 years, doing class 3 hours a day, four days a week. My mid range college used books from my international standards elementary school homeschool in two different classes. And i graduated magna cum laude from college.
Yes half my time in public school i was the problem child, constantly in recess detention, meaning what few friends i had i lost. Why? Because i would get my work sheets done in 15 minutes rather than the hour my teachers wanted. I got vocabulary work done in 10, rather than 40 because i figured out what a glossary and index was on my own. But i was the problem.
How dare you succeed
I'm a newly credentialed special education teacher in an independent study charter school. I was attracted to charters in part because most do not participate in unions. I will never join a teachers union. Nope. Not ever. Not negotiable.
Edit to add: I also homeschooled my own kids for a total of 16 years across 5 kids, and i was a huge fan of John Taylor Gatto etc. i still became a teacher because that's where my heart is, but teaching at a regular school isn't for me.
Our biggest problem here is the community has been brainwashed to think teachers are so desperately low paid and we have to feel sorry for them and give them presents and take their word on everything. I know since my sister was a teacher in our area, that they got paid well and yet always had the "woe is me" attitude on how hard it was to teach and excuse after excuse for why they failed to do their jobs right. All the while flocks of parental cheer leaders told them how great they were and kissed there feet. I went to University with Education majors....they had the easiest classes and it was basically a party degree. Yet now I have to treat them like they were brain surgeons? We need to demand better teachers.
The elephant in the room is that a large percentage of the overall population, and staggering percentages of certain populations lack the IQ necessary to complete high school level work. We have lowered standard to the point that some of those people now teach!!!!
"If we disadvantage all students then everything is okay"
It's just idiocy in the name of equity.
Call the public school what it really is. It is a government school and treat it as you treat all things government
Public unions exist to prevent anyone from demanding that the industry the union serverves, from being required to do better
Relying on the government is an expression of intellectual laziness
I am a huge fan of neighborhood schooling pods where groups of parents hire teachers to teach their kids at home. Their kids would be safer, get better 1 on 1 time, teachers would get paid better, and the government could subsidize it for communities that need it.
Stop zooming the camera in and out dude
He’s editing. Those are cuts to tighten up his sentences.
Also the amount of times teachers I knew personally complained about the system, the unions, and their jobs was terrifying.
Worse still was when they would refuse any ideas or changes that might actually fix the problem. Somehow the only issues they would accept are people making mistakes and never the sacred "public school system".
When I first started teaching 33 years ago, I joined NEA and our local union. I quickly learned that the NEA didn't care about the students. After my second year as a member, I did not rejoin. It didn't seem as bas then as it is now, but the current leadership needs major help. They are plain sick! I don't think all public schools are bad. We have a different mentality here in rural America and we have a pretty good school where I work. We want what's best for our students and keep open communication with our parents.
We appreciate your directness. Everything you said is undeniably true. Public schools are intended to create angry, dependent people who look to government for solutions to all their problems.
'Cause I give you all the things.
And you give me all the things.’
"the things"....🤑🤑🤑
The problem is that we put the cost onto the school district through PROPERTY TAXES!! That is the problem!!
Everyone is guilty of saying or thinking this at least a few times in their lives, but they see something incredibly dumb others have said or done, we might think "this is why we need more money for education." I've gotten away from that thinking in the last decade just because even a cursory look can tell you it's a very uncritical thought. More money only benefits those that know how to use it properly. If I need a new car, don't give me $40K for a new car because that assumes I know how to shop for prices and balance what i need versus what is practical, and understand potential reasons why the 1 year old used car is only $40K with 5K miles. If all I'm doing is throwing money, especially gifted money around at my problems, then I don't understand what my problems actually are.
I said more or less just that elsewhere and the dog piling was actually quite funny and tragic as the responses were mostly emotional bleating, and especially so after asking if more school funding would have raised their reading comprehension to a level that would allow them to understand that what I said is different from what they think I said.
I am NOT rich.
I live in South Central Los Angeles, California.
I budget extremely tight,
in order to Homeschool my grandson because he is worth it to me.
They don't teach certain things. Financial literacy, trades, and consumer education aren't allowed in school.
They don’t talk about ANY of the interactions that we have with government. Taxes, the police, courts, their rights in those places. Etc. Zero talk of the fed or how the money system works. Completely run by old women and feminine men.
We bought a house in a more expensive area just for the schools.
It's better to buy a cheaper home in a less expensive area so that you can stay home and teach the kids yourself
Both of us work so it wasn't available to us at the time. I would have loved to.
@@alans9707 "We bought a house in a more expensive area just for the schools."
"Both of us work"
Congratulations - you played yourself.
Here’s the thing though aren’t the students the problem; what happens to a neighborhood when one bad family moves in… the good leave and those that can’t afford the move are stuck in the same thing!
I am former teacher and it sucks. The teachers are great but the structures and confines in place severely limits what we can do
Then break the rules and do what you think is right. Keeping quiet when the emperor has no clothes is part of the problem. Also, teachers are not our best and brightest.
@@fishmonger7020 False. That is not true and if parents are sending their kids there, they are not the best and brightest. I took 4 years of Calculus and I am in the top 1% of math students. Most of my colleagues did the same. The science department is also filled with smart people. I was also impressed by my language arts colleagues. If you stand up you get fired.
@@SarahR2D2 But most aren't. Besides, calculus is only used by 0.001% of people in the real world, mostly by calculus teachers 🤣
@@SarahR2D2 Meh... I want people that did things in the real world to come in and teach kids what they have to teach. Not career academics.
@@fishmonger7020 Maybe for college but not necessary for public schools
“Better to have equality in failure than inequality in success”
You absolutely nailed it. People don’t even realize this is what they believe though. Very few people examine an idea to its logical and realistic end. It seems most simply repeat the rhetoric they’ve been fed rather than actually think about it. This in itself is a result of the modern public education system where you’re taught to regurgitate answers you’ve been fed rather than think for yourself.
Another reason I’m grateful to have graduated high school in ‘84. I can do math, write, spell, etc., and think.
Basic speaking and writing is a lost art and getting worse. Fundamentals communication skills are fading away. So few now understand what a sentence and paragraph are.
My grandkids now go to a private Home School Cooperative. I applaud my daughter and son in law for doing this. Yes, in reaction to covid policies...
Good for you to be supportive of their choice!!! Having the family support makes a worlds of difference.
I don't know of a private school that doesn't offer tuition assistance. We had assistance for junior high and the first two years of HS.
Your eBay comment was very fitting! Yes, it was a great avenue for doing your own little business… until the GOVERNMENT got involved! I stopped selling on there because they just started slamming you with taxes! On USED stuff!!! It ended up being not worth it anymore… Government takes away your choices and ruins everything!
You must, must look up ben chavez, in LA and what he did. He showed that funding has nothing to do with quality schools
Between rent and my daughter’s private school, 85% of my paycheck is gone. Life will get better when my wife can find work but until then, we gladly make the sacrifice for that education.
My question has always been if parents can use their tax dollars for school choice what happens to people with no children? Do I get to choose where my tax dollars go? Can I avoid school tax altogether?
Sometimes, I want to attempt to get hired as a public education teacher just to see how quickly I would get fired.
Bro that’s an amazing idea!!!!
I've been sa,ing this all the time. The American schooling situation is communism vs capitalism, where in the normalized industrial system runs by a communist principle of everyone needing to arrive at the same place in the same time and the private/non-profit/independent schools are playing by capitalistic principles of efficiency and efficacy dictating their survival. True to the macro-governance as in this single sector scenario, the market is out performing in both results and average costs according to recent stats as of 2022-2023 i just saw that stated the average per student expenditure in the US industrial public system is over $18k per year while private school per student tuition averages only $16k...😅 so riddle me this: if the industrial system has the advantage of an economy of scale and infrastructure, why on earth would private schools, including those running on incredibly small scales, be BOTH out performing in expense AND outcomes?
My favorite: Teachers living outside of the district in which they work recruiting children to pimp their tax levy on the actual residents of the district, who pay for these teachers.
End the government. this country was built without most of the government that exists today. If we want progress, it won’t happen with hierarchy and politics.
Separation of school and state. Also, private schools mostly suck. NAIS is toeing the statist line. Lots of psychopathy in privates too, with less recourse for parents.
I went to public schools. My daughter didn't! Worth every penny that I couldn't really afford. She's an amazing stay at home mom with a law degree!
I teach public school. There are many wonderful teachers doing excellent work. They are beautiful, polished, effective cogs inside a garbage system.
My kids are home schooled.
Former SpEd teacher here. Another issue public schools face is litigation. A lot of parents and organizations are poised and ready to sue school districts for any number of violations; special education, civil rights, safety issues, etc. In these large, diverse, teeming public schools, there is so much that can go wrong on a daily basis from fights, accidents, bullying and threats, illness, discipline issues, etc. Public schools have to walk a fine line with a lot of regulations on what they can and cannot do. Plus public schools are facing an epidemic of safety threats. Not an easy job.
Nothing in society is one size fits all except for the painfully broken public education system.
Before I retired (7yrs ago) I road a train to and from work 5 days a week. On that train were a lot of public school teachers many of whom I chatted with on and while waiting for trains, and even made some good friends. All of them, literally hated their job. Many were former private school teachers and the reason they went to public school was for the money and retirement. They had some of the most amazing stories on what happened in school that, well amazed us and some were so bazar and bad stories other teachers would chim up and support the teacher that was sharing things they dealt with. Also, I learned that teaches are second rate people in the school system. This has been going on for decades, and it's surprising how much parents do not know or care about. All the teachers agreed that if you get rid of the teachers union, an immediate improvement will occur, and if you get rid of all the support staff, well than you will really get an improvement. I will share one bizar confirmed story. In the 8th grade there was a kid that was so bad, an adult staff member was assigned to her to protect the other students from her. Literally an on campus escort. Anyway, this subject is of most importance and as academia is the primary CAUSE of the craziness we are experiencing in today's world this needs exposure and conversation to get it fixed.
School choice helped our schools so much in Charleston, SC. In yesterdays local paper I read our courts have passed a law? that choice is unconstitutional. Ugh.
Related to flow states. Through dumb luck I was able to take several microeconomics type classes and applied and discrete math in one semester . These are all very related it was incredible how I connected everything and it all became so natural
School choice would lower the size of classrooms in the schools that struggle the most. Giving the kids left behind an advantage…. Maybe
Teachers really want kids in school because they are getting more money per child. We need to make sure they have what they need without depending on the size of the classroom. If you give a school more money and the teachers vote on weather to hire another teacher to decrease the size of the classroom, or get a raise, the teachers choose raise every time.
It would be amazing if the government gave us some money back (that we pay with our property taxes) to homeschool our 6 children (without strings attached)!
Americans, you are FREE ! So sad when I see the school shopping season gear up, and the ugly yellow school buses clog the roadways. Ugh.
Small problem. You can not refute government intervention in "educating the poor" in the current system because by definition, the governement is involved by taxes.
If you find yourself in a group setting, where you feel very uncomfortable, as if you’re surrounded by cult followers, remember and hold onto your faculty of reason.
Right on - that’s hilarious - I was psych/ Econ double major, and the two people I knew who were doing awful in their psych classes, switched to elementary education. Frightening, for real!!
People crying about college education being so expensive today don't think about how much remedial material is covered because of the failure of public schools. They have to be taught how to read and write as freshmen in college.
The only reason that a market wouldn't deliver something is if the people lack the will to make it happen. Mail delivery? Rural electrification and internet? Education for marginalized people? The only reason those things wouldn't happen in a free market is if the people who claim to care about them didn't step up and make them happen
Teachers become disillusioned because the parents haven’t parented. Their children make it so difficult to teach the rest of the class that teachers become worn out playing whack a mole. It’s exhausting. And God forbid teachers actually reprimand students. The parents rarely back you up. It’s always some bullshit why their kid is a unique circumstance.
I've taught in 3 different states, and in different districts within one of those states. People don't usually realize how different each state can be and how different districts within each state can be. Even within a district, schools are very different. I retired from a good district and all my children graduated from that district and are responsible, productive adults. You can't lump all public schools together.
That’s fair but the point is that the system doesn’t promote continual improvement or learning from what works because there’s no feedback loop or competition. So you end up with the luck of the draw and the neighborhood you can afford.
@@DadSavesAmerica "the system"? You're still thinking of it as a monolith. Fire Departments, Police Departments, Rec Departments, etc. will vary from city to city and state to state. They will never be the same. People should change it from within or move if they don't like it.
I went to an alternative high school. If kids caused problems they were sent there. But they were more flexible and gave these kids multiple chances. This way they werent distracting everyone at the regular school where they couldn't hack it or fit in.
At our school, if you were causing problems, you were asked to leave for the day. You could come back tomorrow, fresh start, try again. So everyone else could keep working. If you were having a rough day, emotionally, problems at home, you could ask to leave and come back later. Kids actually appreciated this and didnt abuse it.
But they did not just allow violence. Kids had fights, they were given multiple chances but they still had punishments. The main goal was to give kids a second chance but also to provide a place where they could finish school isolated, able to focus, in an environment that helped problem kids. We had small class sizes so teachers could keep control, pay attention, help everyone.
This sounds sensible and humane. In other words, the exact opposite of Prussian Prison that is public school.