(S3 Ep16) Hobie 2019 Outback vs. Old Town 2020 Predator PDL / Thorough Comparison
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Great review and step by step comparison and I had the benefit of seeing you use them both in your videos and the points you made about each as you fished from them.
thanks, keep fishing and especially catching.
Wow, Mark, great comparison! I’m not even in the market for a new boat (I love my PA14), and I watched this all the way through.
Very thorough and informative! Thank you glad I watched this because I’m debating on the 2020 predator and a Hobie.
Great video Mark! Thank you for sharing.
I think it’s also worth mentioning, the Outback comes with paddle and plug-in (cassette) included. The PDL on the other hand does not that’s about $200 value. I often fish shallow body waters and both come in handy when I just prefer to go with a paddle instead of dealing with raising and lowering the drive every minute
OUTSTANDING, THOROUGH review!! One of the best apples-to-apples review I have ever listened to! A lot of thought went into it! I am now sold on the Predator for my type of fishing needs! Thank you so very much!
Thanks 🙏
Great work, I'm new to kayaking so your hard work is very helpful and greatly appreciated. THANK YOU, TIGHT LINES!
Excellent review Mark! Best one I've seen out there. Pretty much answers all the questions I had.
This is as a well presented comparison. I have been paddling for 60 years and have been contemplating a pedal boat for seating comfort and having both hands free to fish. I tried a Hobie yesterday but decided I’d go home think about it. After watching your video it seems that it is not worth it to me having the cockpit full of pedals or motor and all the other little fiddly parts just to be a bit more comfortable. I think you saved me enough $$$ to pay for my next trout trip out west. Excellent channel. Keep up the good work.
Great review. 2 years ago I was on the fence about which of these to buy. A couple weeks ago I had a problem with my pedal drive making noise. I actually bent the shaft trying to disassemble it. Finally contacted old town. And within a week i they sent me a new drive. I applaud old towns customers service.
They’re an awesome company with a lot of pride.
Very informative video. I have a 2018 Old Town Predator 13 (paddle) and I love it. I fish everything from ponds to the ocean and its never let me down. Although I have been debating about upgrading to a pedal version to increase my range. The two kayaks I keep coming back to are the Predator PDL and the Hobie outback, so I'm glad you did such a comprehensive comparison. I think I'm leaning towards the Predator but either way you got yourself another sub. Thanks.
Awesome review, Mark! Very fair. And we hear you. We love the feedback. And you’re right... keep an eye on Old Town!
Ryan I appreciate the opportunity to do this with no strings attached. I’m looking forward to seeing what y’all create in the future!
Really good review. Very informative. I was ready to go with the Predator, now I want to think about this some more.
Very comprehensive side by side comparison. Great video!👍
Great review. You have thoroughly convinced me to get the predator!
They’re both great boats, you’re gonna love it!
26k subscribers!!!! I remember when there was a little over 1k!! Congrats from sugar land tx!! Hope I see you out in the bay or the pass when you have the challenge rod out!!
Thanks Russell, wow you’re one of the OG’s to the channel!
Thank you for the review. I am in the market for a peddle kayak. I was looking at the Old Town Predator PDL. I'm so glad that I watched this video. I wanted to get a better look at the boat, and I got it now, now, I'm going to test one. I'm not much of a shallow water fisherman, more of an open water fisherman. I want to get out into the Atlantic.
For skinny water fishing, O.T. makes a console cover so you can remove the drive unit and not have a gaping hole in your boat. O.T. claims it is strong. The downside is, no drive unit, but it sheds some weight.
I like the thicker hull on the O.T. over other vessels. I also like the lifetime warranty on the hull.
I think I'm going to own an O.T. Predator PDL soon enough.
Good job on the video. I have the first year pdl. Found it interesting your rudder tends to float up on it at speed. I suppose it's because they changed the rudder from a heavier chunk of aluminum to composite..?
Being that I don't marsh fish very much I like the Predator PDL.
great comparison video. 👍
Great review! I'm in Tampa and was looking at different kayaks. I was able to test the Riot Mako and Vibe Shearwater. The area I was at had very shallow water and that Riot was such a hassle to pull out the drive. The fins on the Shearwater can be positioned against the hull plus I could flutter pedal past the shallows. What a difference. Although no reverse, I am told the Shearwater drive can be popped out and put in reverse. Not sure how practical that is when fishing structure. Decisions, decisions
Thanks for the thorough comparison.
I just pick up my 2020 Predator PDL and look forward to chasing BASS in it. In a nut shell I think your right for fishing in skinner water the outback would be the better platform. The outfitting for the wiring can be easily dealt with on the PDL.
well put.......my Topwater has the same/sorta front end as the Predator and it is amazing how well it cuts through waves .......and wakes from skiers.....
Great comparison, you really covered just about all the pros and cons of both of them.
Good stuff!On the standing platform, I would just make one that would fit the area two short 2×4 s and plywood they cover it with foam and put a hinge in the middle so you could fold it up and store it ,I'm a diy kinda guy but they should make the standing area alot more comfortable on the hobie
Great review mark answered all the questions I had thx
To make things simple, if you add it all up in the end it comes down to the price tag... I believe predator gives you a much better value
Awesome review. I have a ss127. Get tired of paddling on them windy days. I think a peddle drive would be better
I appreciate your videos quite a bit. I've been looking to buy a Kayak to fish my local waters which basically amounts to Hilo Bay in Hawaii, and maybe the outside of the breakwater as well. I've always been a fan of Hobie, but I'm thinking of the Predator instead. No shallow water here, but there is some coral and submerged lava rock in the shallows when launching. My only concern is the drive and any damage it may incur if I hit something as I wouldn't want to be stranded in ocean currents. As a new kayaker, I'm not really sure how I'd equip either, don't know what I need vs want. Thanks again for the video, very informing.
Upgrading to a 2020 hobie outback from a 12' sit in field and stream eagle talon. Its gonna be soo much better. I watched your entire video man. Great content.
Yes you’re going to love it!
Excellent comparison. Thank you!
Great review comparison. I really looking forward to doing some peddling on my new Topwater 120 PDL.
You’re gonna like it brother!
Excellent explanation thanks so much , now I'm getting prepared for next summer I'm buying all kind stuff reels , poles etc ...fishing is my life....🐟
Great review comparison thank you
I have seen some great reviews on both kayaks, but this here review is the best. Well done buddy. You nailed it. I’m going to sub to see the rest of your storey. Regards Mario Australia
Great video Mark. I think Hobie should make a redesign on their front bow and hatch and they would have a great kayak maybe add a little thicker plastic and some places and For how much a power pole cost I feel the motor should be able to pull it out of the mud even when it's a little stuck maybe power pole needs to do some adjustments to those Motors not trying to knock power pole I know a lot of people love them but maybe they should look into it
I chose the topwater pdl over the outback just because of instant reverse, but i only do bass fishing and bay halibut. The instant reverse is a must when I already have a fish on and dragging me to shore or structures.
I would have to go with the Old Town. Hobie kayaks are outrageously priced. I believe the Old Town has the better pedal drive.
Great video! What are your thoughts on the Wilderness Recon 120 PDL?
A very informative video, I went with the Outback. What fish finder would you recommend for inshore and open water?
Just bought an Oldtown sportsman paddle, they have done some fine tuning to their fishing rigs, you should take a look!
Hey man what kayak would you recommend for me to fish the marshes around Galveston and Freeport I was thinking the old town salty 120 or the sportsman 120 pdl it will be my first yak
Great review and perfect timing man! The Outback and the Predator PDL are what I've narrowed it down to. I demo'd them both this last Wednesday with Mariner Sails and I honestly wish there was a clear winner but they are both awesome fishing platforms.
Which one did you get?
The paddle bungee holes on the outback unscrew and the pro angler paddle clips will screw right in, use thread tape to tighten to horizontal angle.
That’s great to know! Thanks!!!
Great Reviews! Thank You!
Great Video! leaning towards the Old Town PDL
Hey does your GPS shut off due to heat when your out on the water, if so what do you use to keep them cool.
Awsome Video and Great comparison !!! 👍👍
If someone is 5'2" dose the seat go up far enough to reach comfortable?
One could add DIY a rope /pvc handle looped thru the OT PDL pretty easily though 🤔 Also, I would spray foam close the two scupper holes that are hurting your feet on the PDL and under the footpads in the hull of the Hobie as reinforcement.
The one thing I do not like with the Hobie Outback , is , there are to many pull handles and cords and cables for me . Way to many parts to fail and break . Rudder up and down cord , Rudder Steering , Cheap plastic parts as you stated on the Foreward and Reverse cords of the Drive System . Two Sided Steering Control Cables instead of just one side . Even though yes on the Water, Two side steering would be Amazing. More Cords for the Transducer Mounting System . More Cords / Bungees for the H-Rail Systems . Way too many Cords and Cables for me. And the Plastic on the Hobie is Way thinner and Cheaper for sure . There have been Several hulls that have Cracked where the rear seat brackets sit on the hull and as you Stated the Hull as Sloped Wear you Stand while Push Pulling . I Totally Beleive that the Hobie is a great fishing Kayak when it's Brand New , But , I just think there are Way too Many Cords and Parts that fail Constantly . Just look at your Foreward reverse cables , you some Cord on there instead of what suppose to be on there . And the Front Carry Handle cord always Breaks . The Lower Rudder that while Loading and unloading does and has the Potential to break and Bend . That's why Hobie Gives you the Grey Loading Assist Part that goes on the Rear Handle of the Kayak . And The Front Hatch Leaking , and there Answer is Some Cheap Rubber Seal to fix it as an after thought for a Failed design . And to top it off Hobie only offers a Three Year Hull Warranty and a Two Year Drive Warranty . And just think after Taxes and Shipping you could all of this Fine fishing Kayak for over 3K. I'll Stick with the 2020 Predator PDL and or the 120 PDL and a Lifetime Hull Warranty and 5 Year PDL Warranty for Sure . Too much Maintenance and too Rich for my Blood for sure . Just Stating my opinion only as you did with yours . Great Job on the Comparisons , Love the Channel 😎👍👍
Thanks! For the comparison... Great video. 👍🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟
Exacllent comprehensive review! One question that I have, that I don’t believe you spoke about is, on the OTP, when you have to pull the drive up the center of the kayak is exposed to a large hole which leads directly to the water. Seems like it exposes to losing potential gear/personal belongings?
The dumb ass had no response to a great question
Very informative thanks mark
Nice meeting u today at mariner sails..maybe once i get my yak i could do a fishing trip with ya!!🤠
Great meeting you too!
Great unbiased review without hobie fanboy hoohah, thank you! I looked at both myself and the 2020 PRED-PDL was what works best for me, for several factors, primarily BTB. The bow design of the PA has been hurting for a redesign for a long time, let alone sloppy engineering with the front hatch and a few other areas. Was still a close call, almost bought a PA12, but the advanced speed and other quality factors stood out with OT vs hobie.
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First thing I noticed was how much light was coming through the outback vs the predator. The inside of the predator's hull was pitch black. I guess it must be thicker?
Edit: You cover this later in the video. Wonderful review.
Hull color
Excellent comparison!
I was down to the 2020 Outback and the Predator PDL as my choices. I really liked the new knock-down fins on the 2020 Mirage drive but it came down to the open/choppy water performance of the hull and that forward hatch. I fish Rockport, PINS, and the jetties so having a bit drier hull and sealed hatch was the deciding factor. I also got my Predator for $2499.00. If Hobie fixes that front hatch issue and puts the 360 Mirage on an Outback hull, I would switch over but I couldn't justify the cost of the Pro Angler with the 360 at the moment.
Great choice for open water
Hatch seal doesn’t stick up enough on my 2019 outback to really notice a significant difference.
My front hatch on my Outback seals 100% and it's great. The front hatch on the Outback is also easier to open and close on the water compared to that one on the Old Town. I've had plenty of kayaks over the years with that style hatch and Hobie's design is way better.
I concur, great reviews totally. Granted, I can't afford Either one of those kayaks, but maybe someday!🙄🤞 Good luck and happy yakin'!✊😎🍻🦈..
i just bought the old town sportsman bigwater 120 pdl.. great comparison 👍👍
Thanks
nice review. i had a Predator for about 6 months and liked it, BUT...it's too heavy. I now have the 2019 Outback and tho I miss the easy/instant reverse, i love the lighter weight and the rails and the all the cubbies in which to stash stuff. I added the stand up bar and really like that for getting up and down. The OldTown seat was a little more comfy for me to (6'3") but I've been on the water many times for 6 hours in the Hobie and it's still comfortable. Both nice boats but 117 lbs empty was killing me getting it on and off my truck shell roof mount.
2 Years since this comment was posted, have you cracked the hull on that Hobie yet?
@@Goodie247 I have hauled this boat from Arizona to Idaho to New Mexico. It's been in the hot sun, dropped a couple of times and ridden 10,000 miles on the roof of my truck. No issues at all.
For standing in the Hobie, go to walmart and by a yoga mat in 3 mil or 5 mil. Cut to size and glue it down with a spray adhesive to level out the floor. $7 for a 3 mil yoga mat. I was wondering if you can stand on the plastic, or is it too thin, because that would mean there is room to turn around 360 degrees in the hobie.
GREAT review. Looking a little more at Old Town.
They’re making some great kayaks.
Hey Mark. Actually the gasket wasn’t the problem at all. I installed the gasket also with the ugly 1 inch lift of the cover also. Come to find out the water was coming in through the mounting hardware of the hatch bungee. I removed the hardware and siliconed and replaced with washers with rubber washers and filled the voids up with silicone. Haven’t had no issue since and removed that unuseful gasket. Haven’t had any water issues since.
I know exactly what you’re talking about but failed to mention it.
Hobie needs to be notified of that fix. Maybe that’s something they can start doing.
However both my feet hurt over here hahahah.... cracked me up Mark... I was all ready the how lovely your feet felt in the Hobie. The OldTown paddle holder is a winner. The company coming up with the best design on the pedal drive is going to clinch the deal... Has to handle shallow water like the hobbie and has to to have forward and reverse easier that Hobies current option. I don't think the 360 is ready for prime time, from what I've seen. I've seen some failures that scare me.
Excellent review
Great comparison..
yea very good video. I will be hitting Galveston marsh very soon!
Great review/comparison.
Thanks 🙏
Love the Predator! Thanks
Very informative thanks for the video! Wonder if the Old Sportsman 106 pdl fixes the shortcomings of the Predator.
106 sportsman leaks like crazy
I need some advice. I purchased a 2020 hobie outback but i was thinking i should had gotten a Pro Angler. I wanted to try ocean fishing and want to know which would be better for that type of scenario? If i can get away with my outback, it would be great but if not, then i rather be safe than sorry.
My experience tells me to never be caught in the open water with my new Outback. Others will disagree and it doesn’t make them wrong. But I know better and would never forget the way I felt after my first time out on the open water. I’d say go with an adventure island.
Mark, why do you have to push-pole the Old Town in
Hello, it may be too late to get a response from you on this, but I have a question. I'm old and not that strong. Which of these 2 is "easier" to paddle. I'm concerned about my leg strength. My instinct says the Hobie but because of the Outback is faster I wonder how easy it is to pedal... BTW, I hate riding bikes and bike exercis machings. Wondering if the Hobie is more of a push movement rather than a round circular movement. Hope you see this, Thanks for some great vids on these Kayaks.
Not sure about which one is easier to paddle. The Predator is faster than the Outback. Sounds like the Mirage Drive will suit your needs for a pedal stroke.
Honestly think both kayaks have a proven track record and people certainly like them. Also understand the need to push pull in the marsh. However to say they are virtually the same it's kinda humorous to me as I have been in both as well. To say the Hobie flexs in heat is an understatement and a significant difference between kayaks. The Hobie bends in heat, deck deflects under standing weight, and both side walls deflect under weight or pull on accessories. The price point between the two is significant and as you noted if you are paying that much, why pay for a thin hull, thin side wall, kayak body that deflects under weight and bends in the heat? How you spend your money, to each their own. Pedal drive warranty vs cheap plastic cable components also seems a no brainier. As you note in the marsh.. when you are shadow enough to have to raise the drive in the Predator its less than 18" of water. If you pedal at that point you are likely polling the bulk of the distance anyway. You could maybe get another 8" shallower in the Hobie but risk bending paddles and banging the chain stay?? Agree on the seat assessment. Like the 2018 Predator metal rudder over 2019-2020 plastic one. Recommend pedal upgrades on both as they are small. Depending how picky you are about wiring, I ran my wiring exposed and take it under the front hatch on my Predator, drilled zero holes and use neoprene to maintain the seal. My buddy decided to do the same in his Hobie as the gaskets began to crack in the Oklahoma heat. Many prefer anchor trolley over power pole as it's really only useful in 6-8 feet of water. I appreciate the effort in apples to apples comparison. Me personally the price, the material thickness durability of the hull, and warranty really do not make these kayaks "virtually the same." Prepare to pay $4,800 for the new Hobie 360 vs $2,400 for the revised Predator as shown in this video only gaining a tighter turn radius. Thank you for the assessment and as you mention, personal preference, but for a greater variety of fishing conditions will continue to roll out in the Predator.
The Predator is a top tier performer for sure. And if it ever gets dual steering, a retractable rudder and a fully functional power pole mount. I might just have a new Go To kayak.
You should make a plate that has a nub that sticks down in the scupper whole on the Old Town and you can pull in outfrom under seat like a measure board. If the makes since 🤷🏼♂️
Nice comparison, but you had to drill the holes in the Predator because it is designed to have the fish finder mounted on the mounting plates in front of the pdl drive not on the side rails.
SORRY 4 CAPS, GREAT VIDEO THANK YOU. SAFE FISHING TO YOU SIR
Thanks 🙏
Did I miss the warranty info on the Hobie? Old town was lifetime on the hull and 5 on the drive. What is Hobie offering, since the plastic is thin?
Hobie offers a 3 year warranty.
I'm currently interested in purchading the Old Town 2020 PDL Predator or the 2020 Hobie Outback. So tuff to choose which one to get. In a couple of videos that I viewed they said be warned that if you drill into your kayak for example a fish finder and its wiring etc. you will void the 5year manufactures warranty. Is that true? Has this been a concern for others buying a kayak?
I’ve never had an issue with that. I can only imagine it would be voided if you’re trying to submit a warranty because of a failure where you drilled.
Since you're talking about the predator seat and the platform when you lift the pedal drive, I believe that you can lift up the seat and fold it back out of your way so that you can have plenty of room to maneuver
It’s not practical. Yes it certainly can be done but you first have to move the seat backwards, then you have to unbuckle not one but two hold down straps and then lift up the seat. It’s impractable because the seat swings up towards you, not away from you.
I hear you... You're doing way too much to get it out of the way and it's not ideal when you're in the middle of the lake lol
Wow ,, great review ,, both companies have a lot of useful info to use in future designs ,,
Yes they do
Nice video, thanks.
The old town looks like it’s built like a tank. Would enjoy either of them.
Great review Mark! Confirmed my thinking....as a bass fisherman and lake fisherman the Old Town has several advantages. Will be picking mine up in the next two weeks and can’t wait to get it on the water!
If the majority of my adventures were bass fishing it would be my go to kayak.
I swear thats my brothers house in the background....he died of cancer a few years ago...live by katy mills mall.....anyway thanx for the comparison, love your channel , miss fishing the coast...your vidz help me cope lol
I think I'll be getting a,PDL..thanks for the information.
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Good review
I can't make up my mind on drive systems. My two choices right now are the native slayer propel 12.5 max or the outback. I like the mirage drive for the sallow waters but I like the pedal drive for the deeper waters and especially for the instant reverse. If theres an emergency of some sort or nasty weather moving in with strong winds I think the pedal drive would have a better grip on the water to move faster. So my head is spinning on what to get and I want to make the best investment whether it's a new or a good used one because they aren't cheap. I can't afford to buy one of each and rig them out the same.
If you haven't already decided (your post was 8 months prior to my reply) I can tell you the Propel Drive is easy to maintain but you really have to get on it aggressively to go 4+ mph. It cruises well with minimal effort at about 2.5 mph. In comparison, the fin drive systems can hit that 4+ mph speed with the same minimal effort as what would get you 2.5 mph on the Propel drive. I have both...there are pros and cons to each. For me personally, the Propel drive is more fishermen friendly...especially the instant reverse. I have not tried the 180 or 360 drives on the Hobie so that may be the game changer. But for what they cost, you can go full electric trolling motor with a new Old Town and beat both systems.
Great video! Sounds like the Predator PDL is better suited for your son with the longer legs.
It’s well suited for any height in waters deeper than 12 inches.
Im sure someone asked this already , what battery do you use to power your fish finder , or any suggestions?
FPV Power 17.5 AH from Mariner Sails. Link should be in my description.
What's the best tandem fishing kayak in your opinion?
Not sure. I've never fished from a tandem so I'd be lying if I recommended something.
I will probably get me a Hobie or something powered. I can use a paddle leash and dry bags for dry storage. That's easy. I like their drive better, simple. Have a great one! peace
How much water comes through that giant hole when the drive is not being used ?
A lot
Why are you using the power pole? Whats the reason for the power pole?
Theoretically to anchor in shallow water.
Do you happen to have a video on the comparison of stability or overall comparison of the Old Town 2020 Topwater 120 PDL vs. Old Town 2020 Predator PDL?
I didn’t do a comparison on the two. But I can tell you that the Predator is faster while the Topwater 120 is more stable.
@@MDLRFishing Thank you
Nice video Thanks
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Will the predator go over big surf like when you went 8 miles out in a different video? Thank you
I have no personal experience doing it but I’m sure it will.
I am 6 foot 4 220 lb which kayak would you recommend
The Predator has a higher carry capacity. But honestly it depends on what you want in a fishing kayak. Some people don’t care about speed but want stability. I recommend trying before you buy.
the rear rudder on the pdl is actually a handle too.
I know but it’s not sturdy.