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I will say, Isildur in the books is not exactly the same as in the movies. Although he was enamored with the ring and did not want to destroy it, he never goes to Mount Doom and decides to keep it, nor does he get corrupted by it (other than not wanting to destroy it). He actually becomes a just king for his people while having the ring, and he dies on his way to give the ring to Elrond, after realising that he could not control it. You could argue that the fact that the ring "left" him and preferred the bottom of the river was BECAUSE he was about to give it to the Elves or ask guidance about what to do with it.
One thing that I think everyone gets wrong about Isildur is that he wasn't corrupted because of inner darkness. He was tempted by the ring just like everyone else was, Man being especially susceptible to it. Galadriel, Boromir, Bilbo and Frodo (just to name a few) are some we see be tempted by the ring.
Fact he got into the volcano by himself with the ring on him and choked at the very last moment Frodo coudnt even walk half the trip to it sam had to carry him god Boromir just looked at it and he got mindfuck xD
yeah, in the books it's even more complex. He doesn't just take it impulsively out of greed for it, it's calculated, he wants to use it for good, believing he can with sauron dead. Eventually realising he cant he actually tries to take it to elrond for his advice on what to do with it, and THATS where he looses the ring, trying to do the right thing. Its definitely not portrayed as such a 'turn to darkness' in the books. Isildur is a good, honorable man who just mistakenly believed they should try and use the ring rather then destroy it. The movies just wanted more conflict for Aragorns character, so they added a ‘my ancestor fell to darkness, what if i have the same weakness’ plot.
Well you can just forget about any kind of logical parallel to the movies and especially not the books because this series has nothing to do with Tolkien's life works or even the flawed but true to the spirit of Tolkien; P. Jackson. This is all a steaming pile of fanfic doo-doo... or rather just plain doo-doo because I do not think anyone who made this garbage is a fan of Tolkien of Jackson. But if you want to know WHY Isildur took the Ring, it is not the movie reason. According to Tolkien NO-one could have destroyed the Ring once they possessed it, including Frodo: it was impossible to resist it once they possessed it. This is why Eru Illuvatar had to step in with Gollum's slip.
@@bloody7team true, but in Frodo's defense he had been carrying the ring for many months. The burden of it wore him down. Isildur barely had the ring at all. What was it....minutes or hours at the most between the time Isildur picked it up and when he made the choice to not destroy it?
Harfoots are one of 3 factions of hobbits… 1. Harfoots (most common and largest group. Settled and created The Shire alongside the Fallohides) 2. Stoors (Second most numerous group, they were slightly taller than the other factions. Sméagol and Déagol were Stoor hobbits) 3. Fallohides (Least common of the hobbit factions. Bilbo, Frodo, Merry and Pippin were said to have Fallohide blood through a common ancestor. Gandalf described Frodo as “taller than some, and fairer than most”. Fallohides were taller and slimmer and fair-haired.
Did anyone notice the spell the Meteor Man does to heal himself with ice is the same spell Radagast uses in The Hobbit to ward off the spiders from Rhosgobel? Curious, don’t you think?
@@H1storix Its curious to see how upset you are seeming, I enjoy the show Dan. Im commenting on the precedence of lazy callbacks, and am frankly growing weary of them. Do yourself a favor and go for a walk, or maybe give a good read into a recent novel you are enjoying.
I was thinking, this could be a clear reference, lazy call back, it could be Radagast, a mistake, or my suggestion- they're introducing either Zombies or Draculas. If I had to bet, then I agree with you, but the Draculas and Zombies hypothesis might not be too far from the truth.
my bet is maybe it was one or more of Adars actual children that were turned into some of the first orcs. It would explain why he seems to care about them so much, the 'father' thing, and why he wouldn't be a fan of sauron, the guy that twisted his children (or someone he cared about a lot) into the orcs. Him saying 'only blood can bind' is another possible clue that he's somehow a blood ancestor. Either that or he was just heavily involved in thier creation some other way and feels some responsibility for them because of that. My other thought was that with his face being so fucked up maybe he was one of the first experiments to create orcs.
Witch king of Agmar FTW, but might be the king of the dead, just can't see him swearing an oath to isildur and being trapped. Based off how the show is going, but you never know.
Halbrand is Sauron revealed in episode 8. The hilt the boy has is a key that unlocks a volcano eruption. WHY? Don't turn your brain on now, just consume the content and enjoy it. If you can't enjoy it, try hitting your head with a rock until you have the mental capacity of it's writers and intended audience.
After Durin's first meeting Elrond in the show and acting like a jilted ex-lover. Couple that with Elrond's permed hair and metrosexual look and vibe with closeted Celebrimbor. It's pretty fitting with the theme that he would say this to Elrond I would say.
I totally believe that we haven't seen Sauron yet and probably won't for the rest of the season, except maybe for a small scene at the end when the forges are finished. Also, I feel like Celebrimbor's plan initally to make medallions, or similar, for all elves, but as the forges are finished, Sauron will decieve them into making the rings of power as a way to spread the "light of the eldar" to all elves, and along with those of the drawves and men that will spread to all of nature. But men will fall to the One Ring and thus allow darkness to endure as Galadriel and Gandalf say in the movies. Also, I believe that Adar will ultimately win and take the sword. Possibly the battle(s) in the Southlands will leave the land even more desolate, since the area will become Mordor. When Adar gets the sword and "ascends" he will cause Mt. Doom, or whatever it is named now, to block out the Sun so the Orcs can be out at all times.
@@timreynolds94 yeah but how is hell brand going to convince them to make the rings of power I just can’t see him doing that , unless he takes another form maybe
Halbrand is Sauron, he goes to fight Orcs with Karendriel, and befriend's Celebrimbor and that's how he makes ends up making rings. Also you don't have to wait much longer, Sauron is revealed as Halbrand, at least to the audience in episode 8. Also the hilt the kid has is the key to unlocking a volcano eruption. Why you might ask? Because the show runners are inept and they need the plot to happen. Don't think about it, just consume.
Watching this episode for a second time, i saw that Adar’s armor actually bears striking similarities with Gil-Galad. Not sure what this could portend, but certainly something to consider.
This is what I’m thinking: • He might be the first orc, elf orc. • Or being Maeglin, many easter eggs point towards him but it’s complicated since Amazon doesn’t hold his rights
I may be wrong but if I were writing the series it would serve as symbol of corruption of something that was important and somewhat sacred to the elves if Adar repurposed the tower for evil instead of for the good it was originally intended for
Barad Dur is a mile high, the tower wouldn´t even be more then 0.001% of its fundament. And when i read the map correctly, this whole storyline is west of the sea of Nurnen and south of Mount Doom. But logic isn´t the biggest thing in the show, so who knows, you might be right.
There is still a chance that these story lines are not happening at the same time. They could still pull a westworld on us and then the kid grows up to be halbrand(sp?). Or that meteor man is story is older. Etc.
I think Meteor Man is Saruman before his fall into pride. If I am correct then it would explain his knowledge of orc creation, ring building, and maybe would show how strongly he had fallen from hanging out with harfoots to scouring the shire later in LOTR.
@@zilvis1140 it can't or shouldn't be either of them. Since they only arrive an age later. The blue wizards are possible, but they came together and on a ship... They also were sent to the east and according to Tolkien himself, they never had any interaction or involvement with the history of the west or Numenor.
The Forbidden love story of Middle earth The story is a love story of Galadriel's brother and Blum the baalrog. After years of fighting the forces of morgoth. Blump used to always taunt him calling him Kin slayer to get a raise out of him. Him and blum stopped their fighting at the top of the tallest mountain by the a great tree and climbed to its highest branch. They carved their combined name blumpkin and there the greatest act of forbidden love took place on that very branch. The light of the tree of valinor was molded into a new seed and the unyielding darkness was made into its fertilizer. This act of love and horror became the unspeakable act of the blumpkin never to be repeated again. After never experiencing such love in his life and from sheer disgust died. Blum in his grief and aguish took the spoils of their session and buried it deep in the misty mountains. Having nothing left but the germinating seed of his lover he went into a deep slumber forever guarding what remained. The Greatest love story fixing amazons myth of mithril.
1:00 The Harfoots "Old Forest" at this point would more likely refer to Fangorn since they roam Rhovanion and do not leave until thousands of years later.
Easter egg - The armored glove that Adar was wearing at the end when he grabs Waldreg appeared to be an exact match of the glove that Sauron is wearing in the LOTR flashbacks where Isildur cuts the ring from his hand.
Isildur in the books was not as evil in the books as the movies. In the movie he turns evil, in the books nobody is capable of destroying the ring which is why gollum had to fall into the mountain, Frodo couldn’t, there was no “DESTROY IT” scene, and he held up pretty well under the rings burden, also the ring doesn’t deceive him, it was basically gods will that made him lose it and then die
Overall i like the Stranger. It reminds me of when I was reading the books in middle school the first time and that moment you realize Gandalf is terrible in power and you're like ... umm not just a cute wizard. So overall I like it. He is seeing the beauty of their friendship (a huge theme in every episode) too and I think ... learning to love the secret fire. They probably cant use that but I remember Gandalf saying he was a servant of the secret fire, and that's the thing that Morgoth could never find (it's life, it's friendship and so on)
I'm actually wondering if Adar, while he is NOT Sauron, is actually the key to Sauron's return. I think the reason that Adar and the Orcs are searching for the Morghul Blade is because it is needed to sacrifice himself or someone else to allow Sauron to come back.
@@LupercalRising I honestly don't know - it's conjecture on my part. I was just wondering if it was the nature of the magic Sauron used to go into hiding. But here are several potential clues pointing to the potential of Adar sacrificing himself or someone to release Sauron: - The dead orcs Galadriel and Co. found in the icy abandoned fortress in Episode 1 - The idea being that in order to create the spell to go into hiding, Orcs were sacrificed to make the magic work. - Adar's reaction when the old man called him Sauron and The detached manner in Adar acts around the Orcs - the idea being that his actions are based on his knowledge that he will be the sacrifice needed to bring Sauron back. - The Shrine Arondir uncovered in the fort in this Episode - it's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but there is a humanoid figure at the base of the shrine that looks as its positioned to be sacrificed. - Plus if you look up the Rings of Power soundtrack and the titles of its tracks, there is a track towards the end titled: "True Creation Requires Sacrifice" Like I said, pure conjecture on my part...
@@cs3473 Makes sense. Sword stabs adar and that causes mount doom to blow up covering the southlands in darkness. Also somehow bring back sauron which is confusing.
I think the “meteor man” is one of the blue wizards and he will actually be the one sacrificed. It was the blues that came before the others and were never heard from again when they journeyed south.
I'm of two minds about Halbrand. He COULD be Sauron on the DL, or even unknowingly. But I suspect that he's more of a tragic figure. This series has done a great job of showing that the capacities for both good and evil exist in everyone. Even Adar isn't a mustache twirling villain, but seems to genuinely care about the orcs who he seems to feel a responsibility towards. Honestly, Pharaozon and Magreth(?) seem to be the two most villainous characters in the whole story, and their evil is demonstrated in self-centeredness and self agrandizement.
@@totakekeslider3835 He has yet to display any sorcery skills. Unlike the creepy white robed "Three Wise Men" who followed the star to The Stranger's landfall. As if Gandalf didn't get enough Christ allegory, what with his death and resurrection and whatnot.
Halbrand is Sauron, revealed in episode 8. Also the hilt the kid has is a key to unlock a volcano eruption. WHy? don't think about it. It makes as much sense as elves losing immortality, and a silmaril in a tree infused into mithril. Turn your brain off if you want to enjoy this sludge of bad writing.
I really like the "stranger" story with the Harfoot but the peace meal way they are telling it gets annoying. It really arc that needs a full ep to be the A storyline
@@Revy_DeaDiNsiDe their staffs help them focus their magic, if we are being really fine tuned with this then yes, they can use limited versions of their magic, but only when helping the free people and not for there own gain, such as dominion over others
My guess is that sauron will show up as a deus ex machina to help defeat Adar and thats how he gets everyone to forge the rings, under a different identity of course.
Hey Charlie, great video again. I have been looking forward to your breakdowns every week. This episode, I did not hear the orc say "FATHER" I heard them say "LORD". I strongly believe that "Meteor Man" is one of the wizards. I would say a blue wizard but there were 2 of them. That would be too big of a change in my eyes for that to be true . How does Alsudor become King? Elrod is playing a serious political role, I believe his actions are lining up perfectly to why charaters would have councils at Rivendale. Sorry for the horrible spelling eek SMH 🤣
@@marynazure Thank you for that information, I did not know that. I need to watch it again with the subtitles on to catch some other things I didn't catch before.
Also worth noting, "Sauron" is an Elvish word, meaning "abhorrent" or "abominable". He wouldn't have appreciated this name. So Adar's reaction could be a reference to that as well, even if Adar turns out to be a servant of Sauron. Sauron referred to himself as "Tar-Mairon" [my-ron], or "King Excellent".
I believe that the "Sauron followers" appeareing as sinister are also a deliberate missdirect from the show runners. I think the one examining the crash site is indeed a Blue Wizard. Her clothing has a light blue tint to it. And she is holding a staff.
If NotGandalf is Alatar, that could mean Feminem could be Pallando, though I think Pallando was male, but we have black dwarves and elves, mithril impossibly containing a silmaril's light, and also said elves dying of old age so, we are in entirely new territory and the lore has been thrown in the toilet. Nothing makes sense in this show, and that hilt unlocks a volcano eruption? It's hard to take this show seriously.
I think that the intro is an Easter Egg of a sort resembling ''Cymatics''. Cymatics, which is a subset of modal vibrational phenomena manifests the patterns to be found in ''Sacred Geometry'' which has its roots in the study of nature and the mathematical principles at work therein. Many forms observed in nature can be related to geometry; for example, the chambered nautilus grows at a constant rate and so its shell forms a logarithmic spiral to accommodate that growth without changing shape. Those geometric shapes can also be found inside of Kaleidoscopes but the relation between the intro of the series and cymatics is that Tolkien begins his ''creation myth'' by narrating how the universe (Arda) is “sung” into being. God (Eru) creates several spiritual creatures known as the Ainur and invites them to sing a great song. If you take string theory into consideration it proposes that the fundamental constituents of the universe are one-dimensional “strings” rather than point-like particles and what we perceive as particles are actually vibrations in loops of string, each with its own characteristic frequency. Frequencies that eventually manifest geometric form - bassis of life.
At one point in this episode, I thought about the possibility that there are multiple timelines happening. Theo could be a young Halbrand rather than potentially Halbrand's son? Also, looking much further ahead, I think I like Halbrand becoming King Under the Mountain more than the Witch King. Very "dark Aragorn" to have him, in his final moment, make the wrong choice.
I had the same thought about us watching multiple timelines. Do we have any reason to believe that the harfoot/stranger story is going on at the same time as the other stuff?
@@tobias5357 Does everyone see the meteor at the same time? I couldn't remember if there were any moments that tied all the stories to the same time or not...
How do we know everything is taking place at the same time? I feel like Halbrand is part of the group of Southlanders that ended up bending the knee to Adar and there's a bunch of time jumps in the series The Witcher Netflix style.
i also thougt that adar was some kind of "proto orc" or one of the first elfs to be corrupted ... but another thing that got my attention is that gandalf in the lotr books claims to be the only wizard to study hobbits or has an interesst in them... so meteorman may be some kind of predecessor of gandalf (or gandalf himself) that had the "first contact" with harfoots which caused gandalfs interest and fondness of them
@@Soldmysoulforablurayplayer not a bad theory but the witch king was a king of men, one of the number (9?) That were gifted rings and then turned to the wraiths . But he was the greatest among the nazgul . Adar as far as I can tell is an elf . A corrupted elf but definitely an elf of some sort.
@@teytucker9504 True, but since they already changed so much already pretty much anything goes. Like the Rings should have already been made thousands of years ago already, Isildur is almost a grown man and the rings don't exist yet. No idea who the nine kings of men are who are going to receive the rings, or infact what elves or Dwarfs will get them.... As much as I enjoy the show the timeline to what we know just does not fit the show.
@@Soldmysoulforablurayplayer hey great points and yeah I've been trying to square some of the timeliness myself and you're right theyve definitely adjusted it a ton. I just think personally (with humility to admit I can be wrong lol) changing a corner stone of the lore like that seems to be a step to far. I think if they get into the witch king it will be a major numenorian character and it will make what he turned into all that more tragic.
For me, the two "Hunters" in the scene from the first episode are the Maiar, Alatar (Morinehtar) and Pallando (Romestamo), The Blue Wizards served Orome, the hunter Valar. I might be crazy thinking that the Meteor Man could be Saruman (Curumo), The White Wizard was in the service of Aule (just like Sauron) the Valar who made the Dwarves. I could be wrong, but I think Saruman also arrives with the Blue Wizards in that time period.
Yeah pretty sure zilvis11 is right it's probably gandalf. Because they are doing that disney retcon bullshit where they take something from the original and say that they really heard about it from their new crappy show. So when the little obese hobbit monster sings her awful song about not all who wander are lost. We know that line is what is said about Aragon in the LOTR, so guess they are going to claim that gandalf first heard it from the fat little monster's song, and not something wise he came up with himself. Just like Vader no longer is clever enough to put a tracker on the Falcon on his own, he now only knows about it because Reva did it and he is merely copying her method in the original Star Wars, isn't new bastardized works grand. How they corrupt, distort and destroy what came before.
I like the idea of never seeing Sauron's face. of having him be this... ethereal creature that the audience and characters understand who he is without having a face.
Yeah well Sauron did appear in the lore in his disguise "the fair form". I just hope that seeing him in the show won't be disappointing. It should really be an intense climax seeing him for the first time
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE In the movie Sauron didn't have a physical form anymore. Now he should have a physical form, untill he repents for his sins. Takes on a fair form. Makes the rings, then gets captured and corrupts the numenorians. Then comes the war of the last alliance and his physical form is destroyed. So no, in the movies Sauron shouldn't have a "face". Unless for the 1 minute of the prologue.
1. AAdar will turn out to be the witch king: Sauron was extremely pleased with the Witch-King's work. 2. Halbrand will turn out to be the king of the dead: They were once Men of the White Mountains, but at the founding of Gondor, they swore an oath to Isildur that they would fight for him. However, during the dark years, they had worshiped Sauron, and so when the time came and Isildur asked for their aid, they refused. 3. "Meteor Man" is Glorfindel: Glorfindel managed to escape the Fall of Gondolin with the Exiles, and after crossing Tumladen they reached the Cirith Thoronath, a narrow pass between the mountains. There the survivors were attacked by an ambush of Orcs led by a Balrog. The Eagles came to help them, but Glorfindel fought the Balrog alone upon the pinnacle of a rock. Both died after falling in the abyss, and their duel is sung of by many songs. Glorfindel's spirit departed to the Halls of Mandos, where he passed a short time. Due to his noble actions that had saved many Elves in the Fall of Gondolin, he was re-embodied and dwelt in Valinor. Many years later, in SA 1600, Manwë sent him back to Middle-earth as an emissary of the Valar and granted him powers nearly as strong as that of the Maiar. also Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381 Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600. The dude just needs a bath and a shave and maybe a bit of a rest at Lindon - and is not Gandalf or Saruman.
So nice to see a comment section that actually seems to like this show. I think it's entertaining and good enough. Not a masterpiece by any means, but I like it
I don't think the Harfoots were migrating as far west as the future location of the Shire. If you look at their map, they're definitely east of the Misty Mountains, and appear to be travelling south past the lake at the end of Fellowship (just past the Argonath). It's possible the 'old forest' they refer to is actually Mirkwood, and not the Old Forest the Shirefolk know.
So I think the main problem is fans of Tolkiens work vs. fans of the movies. This is why it's all over the place on the story telling. Meaning, they have to keep everyone guessing but yet stay true to Tolkiens work plus work within what they're allowed to use. So I think a lot of it is misdirect. With that said I do like the show and I hope they're able to show Sauron. Don't get me wrong I loved the LOTRs movies but it would be cool to see him. 🤷🏻♀️
I'm finding it a real mixed bag. The Durin/Elrond scenes are the best thing I've watched for ages. Gil-Galad is growing on me - I didn't like him to begin with. Not a fan of Arondir which is mostly down to his weird accent, not elfish at all. And the Harfoots, YAWN... I'm a Nori fan having said that mind you. I'm not so hung up on the lore, but to me the character interactions and believability is very important.
@@hugomouro6555 good point. You’re not wrong, but after all the explanations I know what’s going on. I get a lot of people probably won’t get on here to get all the info.
What I think is interesting and not thrown in your face is why Halbrand likes it in Numenor and doesn’t want to mess up a good thing. Most are pointing out the obvious-he is the hesitant leader or did something bad and should bot go back to the southlands but picture this: humans of middle earth are barely eeking out an existence. So Numenor, being a stable and well rooted society without the ills of middle earth must look like paradise to Halbrand and a really good gig. As you see from the Southlanders still living in the Mordor region, they know, in order to survive, they have to make sacrifices and follow the leaders who will give them the most stability from the rest of the evils of the world.
Loving the show so far. Particular high points for me so far are the dynamics between Halbrand and Galadriel and especially Elrond and Durin, I could listen to those two banter for an entire episode. Also the visuals are just breathtaking, just a beautiful, beautiful show. Weakest part for me is the Harfoots and their storyline, I just have a hard time caring about them even if Meteor Man is kinda interesting. Though I never did care much for Hobbits, either.
What if Adar IS that elf that was defending the tree against the Balrog?? Or maybe he's actually Maglor, the only son of Feanor that has no record of death?? Maglor did get his hand burned by a Silmaril before tossing it into the sea, Hence the glove?? idk
Not sure about the Mithril story from Gilgalad, but i reallg enjoy Elrond and Durin moments, also 100% sure we already saw Sauron, but we Will have the twist at the end. But surely he is already creating all the webs of líes and treachery.
If Sauron is Halbrand, does that make the sword hilt the kid has, a key to unlocking a volcano eruption? And that trench those orcs were digging was to contain the lava flows? hmm
During the migration song of the Harfoots, last verse cites"Not all those who wander are lost" while the camera shows meteor man looking at the stars to find his way. I assume this is either a little trolling or a 100% confirmation that he is Gandalf
I have a feeling meteor man is Gandalf. Even though he doesn’t come to middle earth during this age, I could totally see the show doing this. The Numenorean (among others) timeline in this show is all “ fucked up” so the stranger being Gandalf isn’t so far fetched. Plus all the “hints/clues”, the similarities between their mannerisms. ***Especially this last episode with nori explaining the way of her people to him.. “the way” being wandering…Gandalf was known for wandering and never settling down at any one place as oppose to Saruman and Radagast. if they are doing all this to trick us and reveal it to be someone else… who would that someone else be? Saruman or Sauron? Nah. I just gotta feeling man, it’s Gandalf.
Not to mention Gandalf was very fond with hobbits. This is probably how he becomes so fond of them. The hobbits were the first creatures he met in middle earth.
Yeah the only reason I’m saying I think it’s gonna turn out to be Gandalf is because of how off-track amazon has taken this show. If the show weren’t going in it’s own SEPARATE direction I would never suggest Gandalf because we are in the second age. I’m not hating on the show though, I’ll take what I can get when it comes to fantasy shit like this 🤓😎🧙🏼♀️😜
Yup! With all the changes I wouldn't be surprised either! Although I must say, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a new powerful wizard that is not Gandalf since we see how lovely he is in the films.. On the other hand, it'd be really interesting to see Gandalf's first arrival and how he comes to be (even though it's not text book accurate) Loving this series so far ♡
I'm going with Halbrand is Sauron, who already met with the elves, to plant the seeds of "find mithril, build Forge, etc", and met Galadriel on his way to Numenor. Almost everything he says works as "I'm Sauron, technically telling the truth, but in a deceptive way", like when he claims he took the necklace off a dead man. He's charming, manipulative, skilled in combat and smithing, and has let Galadriel make all the actual claims about him being king. The part when Galadriel talked of her friends no longer being able to tell her apart from evil, he has a "been there" look. Hell, he even apologized for her brother's death, which sure, could be just normal platitudes, but if he is Sauron, he might actually mean it, in the "I don't see myself as evil, per say, and I don't actually hate you specifically" sort of way. But unless Sauron hasn't even been shown on screen yet (which is possible), he's the most obvious choice (which also makes me second guess it as a bluff...lol).
I don't think we've seen Sauron yet. In the books, the Numenoreans go to middle earth and they capture Sauron and bring him back to Numenor. From there he works his corruption and the island is sunk. Obviously the series is just an adaptation, but the Numenoreans found Halbrand at sea. I've seen other theories that Halbrand could be the Witch King of Angmar which I would love nothing more
@@mikemccabe8015 they could easily find out he is Sauron while there, and bring him back to do the naughty bits, if they care about trying to follow the lore. I've never read the books, (other than Hobbit and Fellowship, ages ago) so my book lore is sketchy at best, but it'd be weird if they put a higher priority on the witchking than Sauron, screentime wise, this early on. Though, I think that kid might be a solid contender for the witchking come later seasons when he's older.
Love the vids. Makes it easier to understand what is going on and all the language. Love the music too. I think the Harfoot who sings name is Poppy not Dilly Charlie. Lol
It's so nice to hear someone breaking the show down without commenting on if it's correct or not. FFS it's tedious. Just let the show breath and see how they do.
@@iemptyyclipz_1299 at this point I don't think canon matters anymore. Maybe they can tie it in a cool way with some of the harfoots leaving with Gandalf and starting the shire or something
Are we sure Pharazon is married to Muriel? Charlie, are you sure Pharazon is not just an advisor and politician who is also Muriel’s cousin? Like, when in the show were they presented as a married couple? I’m so confused.
@Kyle Richard yeah my mistake actually. He is not yet married but he is about to be married to Muriel. I had read it that’s why I remembered it as shown in the episode too.
Im not sure. Abit left field. Is it possible we are seeing 2 timelines? Halbrand is the older Theo? or older version of some survivor from Arondil storyline?
I know lots of people in the comments are certain Halbrand is Sauron (thanks to a leak somewhere) but it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Okay - it doesn't have to make sense... but would seem like a waste of the character, especially if (as it says in the leak) he is revealed as such to Galadriel in episode 8. They've built up hints of a back story for him - that he's older than he seems, that he did bad things, etc. that the men of the Southlands would reject him, etc. This doesn't make sense as Sauron - either as an attempt to manipulate or mislead Galadriel or as a hint of the truth. This speech is also set against the current Southlanders pledging fealty to Adar - the implication is that he once did the same/similar. I mean - it could sort of work: he fights alongside the Numenorians, good Southlanders, Elves, etc. therefore gaining their trust (and only Galadriel knows he's a liar and nobody believes her... season 2 conflict) but I don't think I like it... He could have let Galadriel drown... I know there's this "nothing is wholly evil" theme (which I generally like) but Sauron... by this point Sauron is surely not someone who has doubts, internal conflicts or considers settling down for a quiet life or helping Elves?
As a long time LOTR fan who's read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion, watched the movies, and studied Tolkien in university, I think the Rings of Power is a great addition to the cinematic art of Tolkien. 😊
Not even dude. It's super obvious that all of the time lines are taking at the same time. They aren't hiding anything that way and it's incredibly obvious dude.
I still don’t understand the point of having Isildur’s sister in the show. She literally has no role, other than to worry about her brother/dad and flirt with the king concort’s kid. Hopefully she actually has an influence on the storyline at some point.
@EmergencyAwesome I feel like the bag thing with the sigil that halrand has and throws down...then grabs at the end is full of the rings he created in the forges. they might just not be magically embedded yet with saurons evil intent??? I mean the name of the show is rings of power. we haven't seen them yet and would make sense for them the "hidden" but also in plain sight if that makes sense. if you listen it sounds like the bag is full of some type of metal. either coins...or more importantly...rings!
He could be Glorfindel, who was re-embodied after death, lived in Valinor for awhile, and then was sent back to Middle Earth in the Second Age, ahead of Gandalf and the other Istari, and was granted power close to that of the Maiar. He doesn't look like an elf, but maybe the new body he was given wasn't elvish. It would still be a bit early for him to show up, according to the original Tolkien timeline, but much more in line with the lore than if it were Gandalf or Saruman.
So but for the remarkably timely discovery of a previously unknown element, the Elves would have gone extinct anyway. If I was a dwarf I'd think that was and extremely convenient set of circumstances. And let's be clear, the Elves want to take result of the Dwarves' labour in order that they can live forever... What exactly have they offered the Dwarves in return for immortality? Other than a huge guilt trip, I mean? Also, what's with this thing about Elrond not breaking his word? His simply refusing to say makes it 100% obvious that he _does_ know the Dwarves had found Mithril
@@LiterallyGod It certainly looks that way; the King of the Pointy-Ears deliberately used/abused Elrond's and Durin's friendship - but what's the end game here? So King P-E gets confirmation the dwarves have discovered Mithril - what next? War? Does he intend taking it? If he just wants to trade for it, why all the subterfuge and secrecy? At least Disa has a nice new table...
Can the Elvin king be Sauron in disguise? Sauron is known to take different forms. I don't trust him and Celebrimbor who keeps trying to motivate Elrond with stories about his father. He is trying too hard and they have not been telling Elrond the full story.
Meteor man is Sauron/Annatar. 1. The One Ring was cool after being in fire. Galadriel says evil removes heat from flame. Nori was surprised to discover the flames from the meteor were not hot. 2. Meteor/man looks like Eye of Sauron 3. Gil-Galad picks up ...fallen leaf with black rot as meteor flies by. 4. Fireflies all die after the Stranger enchants them. 5. Shots of meteor intercut w/Galadriel deciding to jump ship to seek Sauron. We hear Finrod's conversation w/her. "How am I to know which lights to follow?" He is a Maiar…because he’s Sauron
Ansen Boon will be Annatar, we haven’t seen him yet but he would of already coerced Celebrimbor and probably be revealed in ep 8. Meteor man, Halbrand are all misdirects to get us thinking but the writers have been clever with their set up as this is a 5 season show.
@@jessewhatley4517 time already reported than Boon is NOT Sauron/Annatar. Meteor man meets all Sauron criteria. It’s not a misdirect, it’s a clear connection
the Stranger might be Tilion, another Maia by Oromë the Huntsman. He's also named Guardian of the Moon, which is funny because in the show they seem to hint that by showing the moon everytime he's on screen. For example the shot at 3:15 in this video Either that or he's one of the 5 wizards.
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Have you read all of the books?
Hope he's a bad guy. At this point sauron is supposed to win
I will say, Isildur in the books is not exactly the same as in the movies. Although he was enamored with the ring and did not want to destroy it, he never goes to Mount Doom and decides to keep it, nor does he get corrupted by it (other than not wanting to destroy it). He actually becomes a just king for his people while having the ring, and he dies on his way to give the ring to Elrond, after realising that he could not control it.
You could argue that the fact that the ring "left" him and preferred the bottom of the river was BECAUSE he was about to give it to the Elves or ask guidance about what to do with it.
and AMAZON is making him out to be a doofus
@@michaelbrewer2411 he’s young LOL duh , you make mistakes and learn as you fall , that’s the point of character development
One thing that I think everyone gets wrong about Isildur is that he wasn't corrupted because of inner darkness. He was tempted by the ring just like everyone else was, Man being especially susceptible to it. Galadriel, Boromir, Bilbo and Frodo (just to name a few) are some we see be tempted by the ring.
Fact he got into the volcano by himself with the ring on him and choked at the very last moment Frodo coudnt even walk half the trip to it sam had to carry him god Boromir just looked at it and he got mindfuck xD
yeah, in the books it's even more complex. He doesn't just take it impulsively out of greed for it, it's calculated, he wants to use it for good, believing he can with sauron dead. Eventually realising he cant he actually tries to take it to elrond for his advice on what to do with it, and THATS where he looses the ring, trying to do the right thing. Its definitely not portrayed as such a 'turn to darkness' in the books. Isildur is a good, honorable man who just mistakenly believed they should try and use the ring rather then destroy it.
The movies just wanted more conflict for Aragorns character, so they added a ‘my ancestor fell to darkness, what if i have the same weakness’ plot.
Galadriel wasn’t tempted by the ring
Well you can just forget about any kind of logical parallel to the movies and especially not the books because this series has nothing to do with Tolkien's life works or even the flawed but true to the spirit of Tolkien; P. Jackson. This is all a steaming pile of fanfic doo-doo... or rather just plain doo-doo because I do not think anyone who made this garbage is a fan of Tolkien of Jackson. But if you want to know WHY Isildur took the Ring, it is not the movie reason. According to Tolkien NO-one could have destroyed the Ring once they possessed it, including Frodo: it was impossible to resist it once they possessed it. This is why Eru Illuvatar had to step in with Gollum's slip.
@@bloody7team true, but in Frodo's defense he had been carrying the ring for many months. The burden of it wore him down. Isildur barely had the ring at all. What was it....minutes or hours at the most between the time Isildur picked it up and when he made the choice to not destroy it?
So hard to put a read on the Stranger but I am hoping he turns out to be a good guy and not a bad guy.
Most of his scenes this week were meant to be a misdirect. The Istari wizards were capable of being good or bad, that's just what they're teasing.
I think it's Sauruman. Since he came before Gandalf.
Hes gonna turn out to be a bum.
@@Hemzees if they're breaking the lore then this could be anyone, overall the show has me more hooked than Game of Thrones season 1-8 combined already
@@manavhirani are you serious? this shit is so boring. it doesn't even touch GoT
Harfoots are one of 3 factions of hobbits…
1. Harfoots (most common and largest group. Settled and created The Shire alongside the Fallohides)
2. Stoors (Second most numerous group, they were slightly taller than the other factions. Sméagol and Déagol were Stoor hobbits)
3. Fallohides (Least common of the hobbit factions. Bilbo, Frodo, Merry and Pippin were said to have Fallohide blood through a common ancestor. Gandalf described Frodo as “taller than some, and fairer than most”.
Fallohides were taller and slimmer and fair-haired.
Nori and her Dad seem to be Fallohides. Her step Mom is obviously a Harfoot
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well now i know, thanks good sir
Did anyone notice the spell the Meteor Man does to heal himself with ice is the same spell Radagast uses in The Hobbit to ward off the spiders from Rhosgobel? Curious, don’t you think?
Nope I said it was radaghast
Or another lazy callback?
@@H1storix yes, on the numerous lazy callbacks.
@@H1storix Its curious to see how upset you are seeming, I enjoy the show Dan. Im commenting on the precedence of lazy callbacks, and am frankly growing weary of them. Do yourself a favor and go for a walk, or maybe give a good read into a recent novel you are enjoying.
I was thinking, this could be a clear reference, lazy call back, it could be Radagast, a mistake, or my suggestion- they're introducing either Zombies or Draculas. If I had to bet, then I agree with you, but the Draculas and Zombies hypothesis might not be too far from the truth.
my bet is maybe it was one or more of Adars actual children that were turned into some of the first orcs. It would explain why he seems to care about them so much, the 'father' thing, and why he wouldn't be a fan of sauron, the guy that twisted his children (or someone he cared about a lot) into the orcs. Him saying 'only blood can bind' is another possible clue that he's somehow a blood ancestor.
Either that or he was just heavily involved in thier creation some other way and feels some responsibility for them because of that. My other thought was that with his face being so fucked up maybe he was one of the first experiments to create orcs.
Seems plausible!
That's actually a really good theory!
I think Halbrand is destined to be the "King" of the dead that inhabit the Paths of the Dead.
nice theory!
Agreed! Excellent theory!!
Witch king of Agmar FTW, but might be the king of the dead, just can't see him swearing an oath to isildur and being trapped. Based off how the show is going, but you never know.
Halbrand is Sauron.
Halbrand is Sauron revealed in episode 8. The hilt the boy has is a key that unlocks a volcano eruption. WHY? Don't turn your brain on now, just consume the content and enjoy it. If you can't enjoy it, try hitting your head with a rock until you have the mental capacity of it's writers and intended audience.
It’s going to be epic seeing the numenorians (mainly Elendil , and Isildur) establish Gondor! And see the foundation of all these kingdoms!!!
"Numenorians" 😁
Numenonions :D
Numbernarians
Numoneriuns
hopefully without the bad looking armor, switch to plate armor
Best part was Durin saying " give me the meat and give it to me raw" after he eats a flower petal off his beard at the Elfish vego feast 😄
Oh I thought that was a moth 😂
@@Carissa.I 😄
After Durin's first meeting Elrond in the show and acting like a jilted ex-lover. Couple that with Elrond's permed hair and metrosexual look and vibe with closeted Celebrimbor. It's pretty fitting with the theme that he would say this to Elrond I would say.
you do the best recap vids Charlie. much love
I appreciate that!
I totally believe that we haven't seen Sauron yet and probably won't for the rest of the season, except maybe for a small scene at the end when the forges are finished.
Also, I feel like Celebrimbor's plan initally to make medallions, or similar, for all elves, but as the forges are finished, Sauron will decieve them into making the rings of power as a way to spread the "light of the eldar" to all elves, and along with those of the drawves and men that will spread to all of nature. But men will fall to the One Ring and thus allow darkness to endure as Galadriel and Gandalf say in the movies.
Also, I believe that Adar will ultimately win and take the sword. Possibly the battle(s) in the Southlands will leave the land even more desolate, since the area will become Mordor. When Adar gets the sword and "ascends" he will cause Mt. Doom, or whatever it is named now, to block out the Sun so the Orcs can be out at all times.
Halbrand is Sauron. According to the leaks which have been 100% correct thus far.
@@timreynolds94 yeah but how is hell brand going to convince them to make the rings of power I just can’t see him doing that , unless he takes another form maybe
I don’t think they have thought about that yet. Apparently, they don’t even make the rings in this season
Halbrand is Sauron, he goes to fight Orcs with Karendriel, and befriend's Celebrimbor and that's how he makes ends up making rings. Also you don't have to wait much longer, Sauron is revealed as Halbrand, at least to the audience in episode 8. Also the hilt the kid has is the key to unlocking a volcano eruption. Why you might ask? Because the show runners are inept and they need the plot to happen. Don't think about it, just consume.
@@randell9667 🍿🍿🍿 interesting
Watching this episode for a second time, i saw that Adar’s armor actually bears striking similarities with Gil-Galad. Not sure what this could portend, but certainly something to consider.
They're both ancient elves - Adar mentions living in Beleriand - so it makes sense there's some similarity in their dress.
This is what I’m thinking:
• He might be the first orc, elf orc.
• Or being Maeglin, many easter eggs point towards him but it’s complicated since Amazon doesn’t hold his rights
If he is Eol or Eol's son it would make sense
Its just bad production lol
@@ryannewman4412 please describe how this is the case.
Do you think it is possible that the Elf Watchtower eventually becomes the dark tower of Barad dur of Mordor?
Nice theory! That whole area turns into Mordor eventually.
I may be wrong but if I were writing the series it would serve as symbol of corruption of something that was important and somewhat sacred to the elves if Adar repurposed the tower for evil instead of for the good it was originally intended for
Barad Dur is a mile high, the tower wouldn´t even be more then 0.001% of its fundament. And when i read the map correctly, this whole storyline is west of the sea of Nurnen and south of Mount Doom. But logic isn´t the biggest thing in the show, so who knows, you might be right.
I think it will become Cirith Ungol, but I do know that the original tower was built by men
@@nathancox8145 It was build by Gondor to guard the morgul pass as an outpost of Minas Ithil.
Waited for this video the entire day
Thanks! I tried to finish my Rings of Power Episode 5 video as fast as possible!
There is still a chance that these story lines are not happening at the same time. They could still pull a westworld on us and then the kid grows up to be halbrand(sp?). Or that meteor man is story is older. Etc.
True!!!!
I think Meteor Man is Saruman before his fall into pride. If I am correct then it would explain his knowledge of orc creation, ring building, and maybe would show how strongly he had fallen from hanging out with harfoots to scouring the shire later in LOTR.
It is Gandalf the gray, Saruman was white.
@@zilvis1140 it can't or shouldn't be either of them. Since they only arrive an age later. The blue wizards are possible, but they came together and on a ship... They also were sent to the east and according to Tolkien himself, they never had any interaction or involvement with the history of the west or Numenor.
The Forbidden love story of Middle earth
The story is a love story of Galadriel's brother and Blum the baalrog. After years of fighting the forces of morgoth. Blump used to always taunt him calling him Kin slayer to get a raise out of him. Him and blum stopped their fighting at the top of the tallest mountain by the a great tree and climbed to its highest branch.
They carved their combined name blumpkin and there the greatest act of forbidden love took place on that very branch. The light of the tree of valinor was molded into a new seed and the unyielding darkness was made into its fertilizer. This act of love and horror became the unspeakable act of the blumpkin never to be repeated again. After never experiencing such love in his life and from sheer disgust died. Blum in his grief and aguish took the spoils of their session and buried it deep in the misty mountains. Having nothing left but the germinating seed of his lover he went into a deep slumber forever guarding what remained.
The Greatest love story fixing amazons myth of mithril.
1:00 The Harfoots "Old Forest" at this point would more likely refer to Fangorn since they roam Rhovanion and do not leave until thousands of years later.
Easter egg -
The armored glove that Adar was wearing at the end when he grabs Waldreg appeared to be an exact match of the glove that Sauron is wearing in the LOTR flashbacks where Isildur cuts the ring from his hand.
Isildur is the "the road to hell is built on good intentions" guy.
As always, your review made me rethink the whole episode 🙏
Isildur in the books was not as evil in the books as the movies. In the movie he turns evil, in the books nobody is capable of destroying the ring which is why gollum had to fall into the mountain, Frodo couldn’t, there was no “DESTROY IT” scene, and he held up pretty well under the rings burden, also the ring doesn’t deceive him, it was basically gods will that made him lose it and then die
Also I believe that the Elf fighting the Balrog is Glorfindel, my favourite elf from all the Tolkiens works.
Charlie I applaud you for keeping up with the reviews of this tv serie...
Thanks!
Lol
I think they will end this season with darkness with a glimmer of hope.
Overall i like the Stranger. It reminds me of when I was reading the books in middle school the first time and that moment you realize Gandalf is terrible in power and you're like ... umm not just a cute wizard. So overall I like it. He is seeing the beauty of their friendship (a huge theme in every episode) too and I think ... learning to love the secret fire. They probably cant use that but I remember Gandalf saying he was a servant of the secret fire, and that's the thing that Morgoth could never find (it's life, it's friendship and so on)
I'm actually wondering if Adar, while he is NOT Sauron, is actually the key to Sauron's return. I think the reason that Adar and the Orcs are searching for the Morghul Blade is because it is needed to sacrifice himself or someone else to allow Sauron to come back.
Its a "key" so what "locks" are there on Saurons power?
@@LupercalRising I honestly don't know - it's conjecture on my part. I was just wondering if it was the nature of the magic Sauron used to go into hiding. But here are several potential clues pointing to the potential of Adar sacrificing himself or someone to release Sauron:
- The dead orcs Galadriel and Co. found in the icy abandoned fortress in Episode 1 - The idea being that in order to create the spell to go into hiding, Orcs were sacrificed to make the magic work.
- Adar's reaction when the old man called him Sauron and The detached manner in Adar acts around the Orcs - the idea being that his actions are based on his knowledge that he will be the sacrifice needed to bring Sauron back.
- The Shrine Arondir uncovered in the fort in this Episode - it's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but there is a humanoid figure at the base of the shrine that looks as its positioned to be sacrificed.
- Plus if you look up the Rings of Power soundtrack and the titles of its tracks, there is a track towards the end titled: "True Creation Requires Sacrifice"
Like I said, pure conjecture on my part...
@@cs3473 Makes sense. Sword stabs adar and that causes mount doom to blow up covering the southlands in darkness. Also somehow bring back sauron which is confusing.
I think the “meteor man” is one of the blue wizards and he will actually be the one sacrificed. It was the blues that came before the others and were never heard from again when they journeyed south.
@@makakaiv ahhhhhhh. Mmmmmm. I can see that happening but I don't think so. I think he is here to stay.
I am loving the show. Thanks also for all your reviews, without judgments or negative.
Deluded
@@SensibleCentrist If you all don't like it... stop watching... stop whining.
@@GASHUBOY No screw that noal people are not gonna pretend crap is good.
@@gurulaghima4272 so why are you here? You don’t like it why are u still watching lol it’s not crap mate… cry some more. Absolute child 🤣🤣
love the show too
I'm of two minds about Halbrand. He COULD be Sauron on the DL, or even unknowingly. But I suspect that he's more of a tragic figure. This series has done a great job of showing that the capacities for both good and evil exist in everyone. Even Adar isn't a mustache twirling villain, but seems to genuinely care about the orcs who he seems to feel a responsibility towards. Honestly, Pharaozon and Magreth(?) seem to be the two most villainous characters in the whole story, and their evil is demonstrated in self-centeredness and self agrandizement.
I like the theory that he eventually becomes the Witch-King of Angmar.
@@totakekeslider3835 He has yet to display any sorcery skills. Unlike the creepy white robed "Three Wise Men" who followed the star to The Stranger's landfall. As if Gandalf didn't get enough Christ allegory, what with his death and resurrection and whatnot.
Halbrand is Sauron, revealed in episode 8. Also the hilt the kid has is a key to unlock a volcano eruption. WHy? don't think about it. It makes as much sense as elves losing immortality, and a silmaril in a tree infused into mithril. Turn your brain off if you want to enjoy this sludge of bad writing.
Sauron is Halbrand, stated Nerdrotic more than 2 months ago.
@@67nearmint Well one of the show runners is a mormon, so just be happy there are no Joseph Smith allegories about golden plates.
I really like the "stranger" story with the Harfoot but the peace meal way they are telling it gets annoying. It really arc that needs a full ep to be the A storyline
Thank you Charlie.
Wishing you a great weekend ahead.
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I think he hurt himself because he didn't have a staff too channel his power.
They don't need staffs, they aren't even allowed to use their magic. If anything it could be a wizard understanding the frailty of his mortal body
@@JW-jd6sn then why do they all have staff's, and why do they all use magic???
I agree. I said this as I watched his injured arm.
This makes sense!! The staffs could help them control their powers a bit better. Either way, excited to see what they end up doing with the stranger 🥰
@@Revy_DeaDiNsiDe their staffs help them focus their magic, if we are being really fine tuned with this then yes, they can use limited versions of their magic, but only when helping the free people and not for there own gain, such as dominion over others
My guess is that sauron will show up as a deus ex machina to help defeat Adar and thats how he gets everyone to forge the rings, under a different identity of course.
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Men of the west is great
Great video. Thanks for doing these.
My pleasure!
Hey Charlie, great video again. I have been looking forward to your breakdowns every week. This episode, I did not hear the orc say "FATHER" I heard them say "LORD". I strongly believe that "Meteor Man" is one of the wizards. I would say a blue wizard but there were 2 of them. That would be too big of a change in my eyes for that to be true . How does Alsudor become King? Elrod is playing a serious political role, I believe his actions are lining up perfectly to why charaters would have councils at Rivendale.
Sorry for the horrible spelling eek SMH 🤣
I heard (and upon rewatch with subtitles on) the Orc say Lord-father
@@marynazure Thank you for that information, I did not know that. I need to watch it again with the subtitles on to catch some other things I didn't catch before.
A lot of thought and good ideas went into this awesome emergency. Thanks! Let’s see how it pans out!
Also worth noting, "Sauron" is an Elvish word, meaning "abhorrent" or "abominable". He wouldn't have appreciated this name. So Adar's reaction could be a reference to that as well, even if Adar turns out to be a servant of Sauron. Sauron referred to himself as "Tar-Mairon" [my-ron], or "King Excellent".
🤯🤯🤯 omg i didnt even think about that
I believe that the "Sauron followers" appeareing as sinister are also a deliberate missdirect from the show runners. I think the one examining the crash site is indeed a Blue Wizard. Her clothing has a light blue tint to it. And she is holding a staff.
That's not a bad theory
If NotGandalf is Alatar, that could mean Feminem could be Pallando, though I think Pallando was male, but we have black dwarves and elves, mithril impossibly containing a silmaril's light, and also said elves dying of old age so, we are in entirely new territory and the lore has been thrown in the toilet. Nothing makes sense in this show, and that hilt unlocks a volcano eruption? It's hard to take this show seriously.
@@randell9667 and yet here you are not only consuming secondary content about the show, but ALSO weighing in on tertiary commentary ;)
The earthquake in the mines are the roaring voice of Balrog.
Thank you, Charlie! 🔥🙏🏻😄
I think that the intro is an Easter Egg of a sort resembling ''Cymatics''. Cymatics, which is a subset of modal vibrational phenomena manifests the patterns to be found in ''Sacred Geometry'' which has its roots in the study of nature and the mathematical principles at work therein. Many forms observed in nature can be related to geometry; for example, the chambered nautilus grows at a constant rate and so its shell forms a logarithmic spiral to accommodate that growth without changing shape. Those geometric shapes can also be found inside of Kaleidoscopes but the relation between the intro of the series and cymatics is that Tolkien begins his ''creation myth'' by narrating how the universe (Arda) is “sung” into being. God (Eru) creates several spiritual creatures known as the Ainur and invites them to sing a great song. If you take string theory into consideration it proposes that the fundamental constituents of the universe are one-dimensional “strings” rather than point-like particles and what we perceive as particles are actually vibrations in loops of string, each with its own characteristic frequency. Frequencies that eventually manifest geometric form - bassis of life.
At one point in this episode, I thought about the possibility that there are multiple timelines happening. Theo could be a young Halbrand rather than potentially Halbrand's son?
Also, looking much further ahead, I think I like Halbrand becoming King Under the Mountain more than the Witch King. Very "dark Aragorn" to have him, in his final moment, make the wrong choice.
I had the same thought about us watching multiple timelines. Do we have any reason to believe that the harfoot/stranger story is going on at the same time as the other stuff?
@@DontHateMeCausImSexy The meteor falling from the sky scene sets up the same time for each storyline. So there cannot be multiple timelines
@@tobias5357 Does everyone see the meteor at the same time? I couldn't remember if there were any moments that tied all the stories to the same time or not...
The Meteor suggests it's the same time. Although, absolutely no idea where in time this is set. It's all over the place.
@@dirtyfunkymonkey I’m looking through. Only finding Nori seeing it, but I seem to remember someone else seeing the meteor falling. Who all sees it?
halbrand is giving off everything to be sauron... I look at his eyes and he'll be like... I fool you all hahaha
How do we know everything is taking place at the same time? I feel like Halbrand is part of the group of Southlanders that ended up bending the knee to Adar and there's a bunch of time jumps in the series The Witcher Netflix style.
They all saw the meteor fall at the same time right? Doesn't that suggest all the timelines line up?
i also thougt that adar was some kind of "proto orc" or one of the first elfs to be corrupted ... but another thing that got my attention is that gandalf in the lotr books claims to be the only wizard to study hobbits or has an interesst in them... so meteorman may be some kind of predecessor of gandalf (or gandalf himself) that had the "first contact" with harfoots which caused gandalfs interest and fondness of them
we'll probably get the full backstory of the orcs during this series.
My guess is Adar will become the Witch King of Angmar.
@@Soldmysoulforablurayplayer not a bad theory but the witch king was a king of men, one of the number (9?) That were gifted rings and then turned to the wraiths . But he was the greatest among the nazgul . Adar as far as I can tell is an elf . A corrupted elf but definitely an elf of some sort.
@@teytucker9504 True, but since they already changed so much already pretty much anything goes. Like the Rings should have already been made thousands of years ago already, Isildur is almost a grown man and the rings don't exist yet.
No idea who the nine kings of men are who are going to receive the rings, or infact what elves or Dwarfs will get them....
As much as I enjoy the show the timeline to what we know just does not fit the show.
@@Soldmysoulforablurayplayer hey great points and yeah I've been trying to square some of the timeliness myself and you're right theyve definitely adjusted it a ton. I just think personally (with humility to admit I can be wrong lol) changing a corner stone of the lore like that seems to be a step to far. I think if they get into the witch king it will be a major numenorian character and it will make what he turned into all that more tragic.
For me, the two "Hunters" in the scene from the first episode are the Maiar, Alatar (Morinehtar) and Pallando (Romestamo), The Blue Wizards served Orome, the hunter Valar.
I might be crazy thinking that the Meteor Man could be Saruman (Curumo), The White Wizard was in the service of Aule (just like Sauron) the Valar who made the Dwarves.
I could be wrong, but I think Saruman also arrives with the Blue Wizards in that time period.
It is Gandalf the gray
Yeah pretty sure zilvis11 is right it's probably gandalf. Because they are doing that disney retcon bullshit where they take something from the original and say that they really heard about it from their new crappy show. So when the little obese hobbit monster sings her awful song about not all who wander are lost. We know that line is what is said about Aragon in the LOTR, so guess they are going to claim that gandalf first heard it from the fat little monster's song, and not something wise he came up with himself.
Just like Vader no longer is clever enough to put a tracker on the Falcon on his own, he now only knows about it because Reva did it and he is merely copying her method in the original Star Wars, isn't new bastardized works grand. How they corrupt, distort and destroy what came before.
Would you agree this episode was a bit less dense then the previous 4?
The last two episodes will be the big "battle" episodes, so it's all setting that up this week and next week.
@@emergencyawesome 👌🏼I can't wait for these 2 awesome last eps ! 😯😀
@@TheSpiderScientist three you mean
I like the idea of never seeing Sauron's face. of having him be this... ethereal creature that the audience and characters understand who he is without having a face.
I hate that idea. One issue with movies show is we never actually saw the evil.
We have seen Saurons face several times in the show already... What do you mean?
@@Rollsspelsmusik where is saurons face?
Yeah well Sauron did appear in the lore in his disguise "the fair form". I just hope that seeing him in the show won't be disappointing. It should really be an intense climax seeing him for the first time
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE In the movie Sauron didn't have a physical form anymore. Now he should have a physical form, untill he repents for his sins. Takes on a fair form. Makes the rings, then gets captured and corrupts the numenorians. Then comes the war of the last alliance and his physical form is destroyed. So no, in the movies Sauron shouldn't have a "face". Unless for the 1 minute of the prologue.
1. AAdar will turn out to be the witch king:
Sauron was extremely pleased with the Witch-King's work.
2. Halbrand will turn out to be the king of the dead:
They were once Men of the White Mountains, but at the founding of Gondor, they swore an oath to Isildur that they would fight for him. However, during the dark years, they had worshiped Sauron, and so when the time came and Isildur asked for their aid, they refused.
3. "Meteor Man" is Glorfindel:
Glorfindel managed to escape the Fall of Gondolin with the Exiles, and after crossing Tumladen they reached the Cirith Thoronath, a narrow pass between the mountains. There the survivors were attacked by an ambush of Orcs led by a Balrog. The Eagles came to help them, but Glorfindel fought the Balrog alone upon the pinnacle of a rock. Both died after falling in the abyss, and their duel is sung of by many songs.
Glorfindel's spirit departed to the Halls of Mandos, where he passed a short time. Due to his noble actions that had saved many Elves in the Fall of Gondolin, he was re-embodied and dwelt in Valinor.
Many years later, in SA 1600, Manwë sent him back to Middle-earth as an emissary of the Valar and granted him powers nearly as strong as that of the Maiar.
also
Glorfindel's spirit passed to the Halls of Waiting, where he waited with the spirits of the other Noldor who had died during their war against Morgoth. But because of Glorfindel's noble actions in life, his reluctance at the Exile, and his furthering of the purposes of the Valar by saving Tuor and Idril, Manwë allowed his re-embodiment after only a short time. Being already an Elda of great corporal and spiritual stature, in his new incarnated life his spiritual power was enhanced by his self-sacrifice. He lived in Valinor for many years in company of Eldar and Maiar, and these spirits considered him an equal, as he was an incarnate. At some point, he became a follower of Olórin, a Maia with special concern for Middle-earth.[1]:380-381
Eventually, Manwë sent him across the sea to Middle-earth during the Second Age. He possibly came as early as S.A. 1200, but more likely in S.A. 1600.
The dude just needs a bath and a shave and maybe a bit of a rest at Lindon - and is not Gandalf or Saruman.
Then where are Meteor man's elf ears?
Thank you for keeping your videos unbiased when it comes to this show. I appreciate it ❤❤❤
So nice to see a comment section that actually seems to like this show. I think it's entertaining and good enough. Not a masterpiece by any means, but I like it
I don't think the Harfoots were migrating as far west as the future location of the Shire. If you look at their map, they're definitely east of the Misty Mountains, and appear to be travelling south past the lake at the end of Fellowship (just past the Argonath). It's possible the 'old forest' they refer to is actually Mirkwood, and not the Old Forest the Shirefolk know.
Agreed, you can actually tell they were crossing through what will be called the dead marshes
Best episode thus far imo
So I think the main problem is fans of Tolkiens work vs. fans of the movies. This is why it's all over the place on the story telling.
Meaning, they have to keep everyone guessing but yet stay true to Tolkiens work plus work within what they're allowed to use.
So I think a lot of it is misdirect.
With that said I do like the show and I hope they're able to show Sauron. Don't get me wrong I loved the LOTRs movies but it would be cool to see him. 🤷🏻♀️
I knew nothing of the First or Second Ages coming into this show, but I really like it. Sad to see so much negative feedback out there.
The thing is you are not getting FA and SA knowledge through the show. You get alot more of it in the review and breakdowns.
I know what you're saying man, I'm thoroughly enjoying this show
I'm finding it a real mixed bag. The Durin/Elrond scenes are the best thing I've watched for ages. Gil-Galad is growing on me - I didn't like him to begin with. Not a fan of Arondir which is mostly down to his weird accent, not elfish at all. And the Harfoots, YAWN...
I'm a Nori fan having said that mind you.
I'm not so hung up on the lore, but to me the character interactions and believability is very important.
@@hugomouro6555 good point. You’re not wrong, but after all the explanations I know what’s going on. I get a lot of people probably won’t get on here to get all the info.
What I think is interesting and not thrown in your face is why Halbrand likes it in Numenor and doesn’t want to mess up a good thing. Most are pointing out the obvious-he is the hesitant leader or did something bad and should bot go back to the southlands but picture this: humans of middle earth are barely eeking out an existence. So Numenor, being a stable and well rooted society without the ills of middle earth must look like paradise to Halbrand and a really good gig. As you see from the Southlanders still living in the Mordor region, they know, in order to survive, they have to make sacrifices and follow the leaders who will give them the most stability from the rest of the evils of the world.
My guess is that our discount Aragorn will become "king of the southlands" through Sauron's deception and eventually will become the witch king.
Quality content as usual
Thanks!
Loving the show so far. Particular high points for me so far are the dynamics between Halbrand and Galadriel and especially Elrond and Durin, I could listen to those two banter for an entire episode. Also the visuals are just breathtaking, just a beautiful, beautiful show.
Weakest part for me is the Harfoots and their storyline, I just have a hard time caring about them even if Meteor Man is kinda interesting. Though I never did care much for Hobbits, either.
Dynamics between Halbrand and Galadriel ???? 😂
Actors are okey, but showrunners doing trash show with full of femenism, racism and dumb dialogues.
@@samss356 I know right reading these comments on here is comedy gold
@@samss356 halbrand is interesting Galadriel is just irritating
I enjoyed the episode. It was pretty good.
I think Adar's plot line its happening before the numenors timeline, maybe hallbrand is the little kid who is in posession of the blade
I'm thinking Halbrand is Sauron
What if Adar IS that elf that was defending the tree against the Balrog?? Or maybe he's actually Maglor, the only son of Feanor that has no record of death?? Maglor did get his hand burned by a Silmaril before tossing it into the sea, Hence the glove?? idk
Not sure about the Mithril story from Gilgalad, but i reallg enjoy Elrond and Durin moments, also 100% sure we already saw Sauron, but we Will have the twist at the end. But surely he is already creating all the webs of líes and treachery.
its Halbrand (SPOILER)
@@RichCwm Sauron is Theo 😂
@@zilvis1140 hahahah you imagine that? 🤣🤣 OR mayve is durins wife haha
If Sauron is Halbrand, does that make the sword hilt the kid has, a key to unlocking a volcano eruption? And that trench those orcs were digging was to contain the lava flows? hmm
During the migration song of the Harfoots, last verse cites"Not all those who wander are lost" while the camera shows meteor man looking at the stars to find his way. I assume this is either a little trolling or a 100% confirmation that he is Gandalf
Except that rhyme was about Aragorn.
Halbrand is Sauron...LOL
Amazing video 👌
Hey love your videos Charlie. I’m confused though as you keep referring to the remaining 2 episodes in the season. Are there not 3 episodes remaining?
I have a feeling meteor man is Gandalf. Even though he doesn’t come to middle earth during this age, I could totally see the show doing this. The Numenorean (among others) timeline in this show is all “ fucked up” so the stranger being Gandalf isn’t so far fetched. Plus all the “hints/clues”, the similarities between their mannerisms. ***Especially this last episode with nori explaining the way of her people to him.. “the way” being wandering…Gandalf was known for wandering and never settling down at any one place as oppose to Saruman and Radagast. if they are doing all this to trick us and reveal it to be someone else… who would that someone else be? Saruman or Sauron? Nah. I just gotta feeling man, it’s Gandalf.
Not to mention Gandalf was very fond with hobbits. This is probably how he becomes so fond of them. The hobbits were the first creatures he met in middle earth.
Gandalf isn’t mentioned anywhere in the second age but hey it’s Amazon 😂
@@victoriaallegre2189 true dat 😂 he doesn't even show up until the third age starts
Yeah the only reason I’m saying I think it’s gonna turn out to be Gandalf is because of how off-track amazon has taken this show. If the show weren’t going in it’s own SEPARATE direction I would never suggest Gandalf because we are in the second age. I’m not hating on the show though, I’ll take what I can get when it comes to fantasy shit like this 🤓😎🧙🏼♀️😜
Yup! With all the changes I wouldn't be surprised either!
Although I must say, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a new powerful wizard that is not Gandalf since we see how lovely he is in the films..
On the other hand, it'd be really interesting to see Gandalf's first arrival and how he comes to be (even though it's not text book accurate)
Loving this series so far ♡
Can we talk about how awesome the score is in this episode?
I'm going with Halbrand is Sauron, who already met with the elves, to plant the seeds of "find mithril, build Forge, etc", and met Galadriel on his way to Numenor. Almost everything he says works as "I'm Sauron, technically telling the truth, but in a deceptive way", like when he claims he took the necklace off a dead man. He's charming, manipulative, skilled in combat and smithing, and has let Galadriel make all the actual claims about him being king. The part when Galadriel talked of her friends no longer being able to tell her apart from evil, he has a "been there" look. Hell, he even apologized for her brother's death, which sure, could be just normal platitudes, but if he is Sauron, he might actually mean it, in the "I don't see myself as evil, per say, and I don't actually hate you specifically" sort of way. But unless Sauron hasn't even been shown on screen yet (which is possible), he's the most obvious choice (which also makes me second guess it as a bluff...lol).
He also said “I took this off a dead man,” when referring to that sigil/family crest thing he’s been carrying. #HalbrandIsSauron 👍
I think The actor Ansen Boon will be Annatar and will already have infiltrated celebrimbor and the big reveal will be episode 8.
I don't think we've seen Sauron yet. In the books, the Numenoreans go to middle earth and they capture Sauron and bring him back to Numenor. From there he works his corruption and the island is sunk. Obviously the series is just an adaptation, but the Numenoreans found Halbrand at sea. I've seen other theories that Halbrand could be the Witch King of Angmar which I would love nothing more
@@mikemccabe8015 they could easily find out he is Sauron while there, and bring him back to do the naughty bits, if they care about trying to follow the lore. I've never read the books, (other than Hobbit and Fellowship, ages ago) so my book lore is sketchy at best, but it'd be weird if they put a higher priority on the witchking than Sauron, screentime wise, this early on. Though, I think that kid might be a solid contender for the witchking come later seasons when he's older.
@@VarickPrium that's an excellent point. Theo as the witch king would be quite the plot twist!
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Really enjoying the series so far. Loved seeing the horse being lifted onto the ship by rope at the beginning of the 5th episode.
Love the vids. Makes it easier to understand what is going on and all the language. Love the music too. I think the Harfoot who sings name is Poppy not Dilly Charlie. Lol
It's so nice to hear someone breaking the show down without commenting on if it's correct or not. FFS it's tedious. Just let the show breath and see how they do.
The song she sings Gandalf knows so hes def Gandalf. Not to mention hes the only wizard thats been tied to the halflings
I agree. Saruman should already be there but they decided not to show him yet or maybe never will.
@@iemptyyclipz_1299 at this point I don't think canon matters anymore. Maybe they can tie it in a cool way with some of the harfoots leaving with Gandalf and starting the shire or something
Are we sure Pharazon is married to Muriel? Charlie, are you sure Pharazon is not just an advisor and politician who is also Muriel’s cousin? Like, when in the show were they presented as a married couple? I’m so confused.
Wasn’t he introduced as king consort in Ep 3?
@Kyle Richard yeah my mistake actually. He is not yet married but he is about to be married to Muriel. I had read it that’s why I remembered it as shown in the episode too.
Im not sure. Abit left field. Is it possible we are seeing 2 timelines? Halbrand is the older Theo? or older version of some survivor from Arondil storyline?
That would be awesome but I don’t have the confidence in Amazon doing something that creative
I know lots of people in the comments are certain Halbrand is Sauron (thanks to a leak somewhere) but it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. Okay - it doesn't have to make sense... but would seem like a waste of the character, especially if (as it says in the leak) he is revealed as such to Galadriel in episode 8. They've built up hints of a back story for him - that he's older than he seems, that he did bad things, etc. that the men of the Southlands would reject him, etc. This doesn't make sense as Sauron - either as an attempt to manipulate or mislead Galadriel or as a hint of the truth. This speech is also set against the current Southlanders pledging fealty to Adar - the implication is that he once did the same/similar.
I mean - it could sort of work: he fights alongside the Numenorians, good Southlanders, Elves, etc. therefore gaining their trust (and only Galadriel knows he's a liar and nobody believes her... season 2 conflict) but I don't think I like it... He could have let Galadriel drown... I know there's this "nothing is wholly evil" theme (which I generally like) but Sauron... by this point Sauron is surely not someone who has doubts, internal conflicts or considers settling down for a quiet life or helping Elves?
As a long time LOTR fan who's read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion, watched the movies, and studied Tolkien in university, I think the Rings of Power is a great addition to the cinematic art of Tolkien. 😊
Wow
Ohhh things are getting really juicy now!! I loved this episode so much. Anyone else love Poppy's song as much as me?
Shout out to Theo! Glad he gave up the hilt
This is by far the best breakdown I've seen on this show
Check out Rings and Realms. That guys breakdown is crazy detailed.
@@joeeykful ya corey olsen is great... this one is better in my opinion because of the clips
I have mad theory, Halbrand is Theo. Both numenor and soundland events are taking part in different times.
Not even dude. It's super obvious that all of the time lines are taking at the same time. They aren't hiding anything that way and it's incredibly obvious dude.
How do you even have time to watch the episode AND do a breakdown video about it???
Right? Charlie has us covered on so many shows!
Your knowledge is incredible!
I appreciate that!
I'm not sure adar is fighting for Sauron. I think he was insulted being called Sauron
I still don’t understand the point of having Isildur’s sister in the show. She literally has no role, other than to worry about her brother/dad and flirt with the king concort’s kid. Hopefully she actually has an influence on the storyline at some point.
She is Sauron.
Your diction is way better this year; I like listening 2 U.
Best review & information by far
Thanks!
I thought using a staff would keep the power from hurting himself? Concentrate it all in his magic staff.
@EmergencyAwesome I feel like the bag thing with the sigil that halrand has and throws down...then grabs at the end is full of the rings he created in the forges. they might just not be magically embedded yet with saurons evil intent??? I mean the name of the show is rings of power. we haven't seen them yet and would make sense for them the "hidden" but also in plain sight if that makes sense. if you listen it sounds like the bag is full of some type of metal. either coins...or more importantly...rings!
Emergency awesome thanks Charlie love your breakdowns!
My pleasure!
I feel like The Stranger may turn out to be a previously unknown Valar/Maiar who was sent to ensure the Harfoots developed into Hobbits
He could be Glorfindel, who was re-embodied after death, lived in Valinor for awhile, and then was sent back to Middle Earth in the Second Age, ahead of Gandalf and the other Istari, and was granted power close to that of the Maiar. He doesn't look like an elf, but maybe the new body he was given wasn't elvish. It would still be a bit early for him to show up, according to the original Tolkien timeline, but much more in line with the lore than if it were Gandalf or Saruman.
“We want the Mithril”
“No”
“But if I don’t get it were all gonna die”
So but for the remarkably timely discovery of a previously unknown element, the Elves would have gone extinct anyway. If I was a dwarf I'd think that was and extremely convenient set of circumstances. And let's be clear, the Elves want to take result of the Dwarves' labour in order that they can live forever... What exactly have they offered the Dwarves in return for immortality? Other than a huge guilt trip, I mean?
Also, what's with this thing about Elrond not breaking his word? His simply refusing to say makes it 100% obvious that he _does_ know the Dwarves had found Mithril
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 the deceptive elves may be the actual villains
@@LiterallyGod It certainly looks that way; the King of the Pointy-Ears deliberately used/abused Elrond's and Durin's friendship - but what's the end game here? So King P-E gets confirmation the dwarves have discovered Mithril - what next? War? Does he intend taking it? If he just wants to trade for it, why all the subterfuge and secrecy? At least Disa has a nice new table...
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 maybe gil galad is the secret sauron in this show. When i first saw his character i thought he looked sinister
I fully expected Durin to just say "tough luck, welcome to the club"
This episode is the second time that they've used the soundtrack song "Sauron" on a scene with the stranger
Can the Elvin king be Sauron in disguise? Sauron is known to take different forms. I don't trust him and Celebrimbor who keeps trying to motivate Elrond with stories about his father. He is trying too hard and they have not been telling Elrond the full story.
No gil galad gets killed by Sauron
Meteor man is Sauron/Annatar.
1. The One Ring was cool after being in fire. Galadriel says evil removes heat from flame. Nori was surprised to discover the flames from the meteor were not hot.
2. Meteor/man looks like Eye of Sauron
3. Gil-Galad picks up ...fallen leaf with black rot as meteor flies by.
4. Fireflies all die after the Stranger enchants them.
5. Shots of meteor intercut w/Galadriel deciding to jump ship to seek Sauron. We hear Finrod's conversation w/her. "How am I to know which lights to follow?"
He is a Maiar…because he’s Sauron
Ansen Boon will be Annatar, we haven’t seen him yet but he would of already coerced Celebrimbor and probably be revealed in ep 8.
Meteor man, Halbrand are all misdirects to get us thinking but the writers have been clever with their set up as this is a 5 season show.
@@jessewhatley4517 time already reported than Boon is NOT Sauron/Annatar. Meteor man meets all Sauron criteria. It’s not a misdirect, it’s a clear connection
the Stranger might be Tilion, another Maia by Oromë the Huntsman. He's also named Guardian of the Moon, which is funny because in the show they seem to hint that by showing the moon everytime he's on screen. For example the shot at 3:15 in this video
Either that or he's one of the 5 wizards.
Why is it at the end when they show Isildur in Armour i got flash backs of Merry in return of the king movie.
I was just thinking about how he'd sink to the bottom if he fell in the water.
I have to be honest...I loved the song in this episode.