BMW S85 V10 Engine Reliability 2022
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- BMW S85 V10 Engine Reliability 2022
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When I purchased my 2007 M5 V10 nearly 4 years ago I had Jason from Rebuild change my throttle actuators as they were throwing a fault code now and again , this was a great decision as touch wood no codes have ever come back , I highly recommend Jason and his mechanic Paul who changed them from pulling up ( hot engine ) in 1.5 hours to driving away , as the guy in this video states “ it’s people that purchase cheap M5’s that are knackered then thrash them to within an inch of their lives until catastrophic failure then start winging on forums “ , it’s a great future classic and what an engine but make sure it’s warmed to temperature before pedal to the metal this is the secret to longevity of this wonderful engine. 👍🇬🇧
This is great advice. The issue here in almost 2023 is that most of us considering buying these will not know if the previous owner did this or not. It could have been someone who put the petal to the floor everyday on his way to work.
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Hi , I’ve only just seen this comment a year later 😂 , if I was purchasing one of these for the first time I would consider this ,
Full service history ( main dealer or even better a specialist)
Definitely one that’s had the con rod shells changed ( most have now )
The rest of the preventative maintenance parts are not a problem ie: throttle actuators £400 to £500 for the pair fitted , injectors ( 10 of them which I purchased from autodoc for £380 and quite easy to change , I also had a leak from the oil cooler positioned under the front bumper which are quite cheap around £100 or so , basically keep on top of the servicing , warm up the car for a good 15 minutes and during pedal to the metal have cool down periods this also helps the gearbox and clutch , I’ve had the con rod shells changed at 90,000 miles , these were original ones that came out and were very warn actually copper was showing on cylinder no. 10 so I was lucky ( this cost me with the APL shells and bmw bolts fitted around £2000 which considering it’s a performance car isn’t that bad plus now I know it’s been done ( with photographed work throughout plus the vanos pipe at the same time , chain guide and engine mounts) , another thing to remember is the oil analysis I had done previously is only a guide tbf so don’t rely on these , it’s a great car to own for weekend’s not commuting , hope this helps.
PS: nothing else to report about regarding problems so all good.
Great video. I just bought an '09 M6 convertible last year and love it. It has been driven ~3500-4000 miles/year and I have every service record since its first oil change, so I'm hoping I got a good one. Just replaced the throttle actuators for both banks, but otherwise, passed the mechanic's checks with flying colors. Absolutely love my car. It sounds so wonderful I hardly use my radio. 🤣
looking to buy one next month after 5 years of wishing to have one. Thanks for making these videos as I plan to do stuff myself. I tell people this v10 is a race engine not your average car and needs to be treated like a specialty item.
Hey man it’s been 3 months since your comment did you end up buying one? If so, how’s it treating you so far ?
That is exactly what I say, they are not unreliable, they are high maintenance. Similar to a race engine which it was derived from.
@@pinchevictor6945 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
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You can avoid all oiling related issues (like rod bearings) by switching to 10w40 or 0w40.
I wish there was a technician with Doc's expertise here in Houston! This cat clearly knows what he is talking about! Great video mate!
One of my dream cars! If I’m ever lucky enough to own one I’ll be heeding all your advice!
Thanks for your work (subscribe). For a long time I wanted an M car and I was afraid of the V10 like the devil, but I still went for it and bought a recent M6 E63 with documented service. She had some mistakes but at home with my mechanic I put the car in a green tree and there are no mistakes. I have a service plan and now I have seen this video and made a list according to you and I am missing 3 things that I will definitely do for precautionary reasons. I only have a car as a weekend pleasure. Thank you very much for your videos are a benefit and reassurance that those cars are reliable when one treats the car normally and does not neglect maintenance. Thanks again for the inspiration in the service plan;)
Damn always wanted one, but i guess you gotta be a mechanic to comfortably own one of those now a days.
You’re one of the only people I’ve seen that actually cleans AND oils their K&N air filters!
Almost EVERY time I see them on someone’s car they are bone dry, on top of being dirty!
So much in this video that you just don't hear from anyone else:
VANOS solenoids causing 900rpm idle.
Ionic control modules causing misfire but...
... change all 10 spark plugs and coils anyway. (Hmm NGK LKR8AP are OE and platinum. I've used the Iridium BKR6EIX on other cars which are good and last. So why do S85s go through plugs?)
Injectors failing so badly (sticking open) they can even hydro(petro)lock the engine.
When you have the bottom off to do the rod bearings, do the VANOS line as well.
TAs can be rebuilt! (I just got new ones seven years ago).
Change all 4 CCVs as they get clogged - lower two need engine to be dropped.
- I heard it all here first. Thanks Dean
PS When you are in there doing the TAs, it's good to replace the ICVs.
Also good to replace the SMG oil and the hydromotor before it locks
And get the diff seals done because they can fail and then your diff grinds.
are the Vanos Solenoids are also happening on the S65 E9x as well or not?
I have heard some sparks plugs and/or ignition coil do cause problems with the S65 and the S85, I',m not sure if this is the same case or not.
Yes injectors definitely do failed open on the S65 engine as well.
The Vanos line is new to me, can you explain further?
I have 2 rebuilt TA units in my car, however 1 is still throwing a code and getting the car into limp mode when flooring the gas pedal and only when flooring the gas pedal. Going 60%-70% on the gas pedal doesn't seem to cause problem. I'm gonnna replace the TA unit that's its showing fault.
What are the CCVs? are they the PCV?
I have the diff seal on my list but I heard my mechanic said it's not resealable and might have to order a whole new unit. I'm not sure what's the general consensus on this? But I'm pretty sure in theory modern RTV and some sandpaper can reseal the diff.
I have just bought a e60 m5. Thanks for the video it did point out some things i didn't know.
Thank you so much for this video, good sir! I appreciate the thorough explanation on the engine and its possible failure points, and the links to your in-depth videos will no doubt be just as valuable.
The S85 seems like a daunting engine because I _myself_ am not mechanically educated to handle major operations, but one of my relatives has years of experience as an automotive mechanic. There should also be a dedicated BMW M center that I could contact in case I were to own an E60 M5. I could finance it - I know it can be very pricey - but I'd at least be vigilant and watch out for potential issues ahead of time.
I'm seriously beginning to contemplate buying a well-kept example, but not before being as well-informed as possible. It'd be a weekend cruiser most of all, but I'd drive it weekly for sure. I don't care about showing off to people, either; just want to enjoy that V10 for the masterpiece that it is in case I take the plunge.
Thank you once again!
Really looking to get a new car in the next year or two and I'm set on an e63 m6. I'm saving this video as a sort of "shopping list" so I can build up some parts when I'm ready to buy. I'm taking my time with finding the right one that hasn't been abused too badly lol! Prep and maintenance is everything with these cars and I've owned BMWs for about six years now so I think it's time for the mighty s85 😅
Doc, you're THE only person online that says, "if you can't take care of your bmw, you shouldn't own it!". Love it!! 😎😎👍🏼 Wankers.
Truth!
thank you , just buying my 2010 M6 with 60k, Doing all this on point.
Great Review, Thanks for this video. Now to watch all the other videos. I'm really torn on buying a E63/4 or a E31 again.. Just something about this engine... :)
This stuff makes a lot of sense and you hit he nail ont he head earlier on This. People just hop in these cars like they are any other car and that’s not the case and I totally agree! That’s what makes these cars great. Just take car of them and you will be okay
Best advice to anyone purchasing an E60 M5 or any car for that matter is to READ and UNDERSTAND the manual from cover to cover regardless if your Einstein or think you are Einstein. Thats the only way to understand what ur driving and not from hearsay nor the guy next door that happened to grab a camera yesterday and post social media their review doesn't make them any better than you who purchased and drive the car.
I just bought a new car read the manual took forever to get to the parts I really needed to know and understand and It said to call the dealer for more information 💀
Very informative. Thank you. 🇦🇺👍🥃
I absolutely love these v10s. damn shame ill probably never own one. Shame so many idiots dont even know the basics of caring for these things. Same applies with regular inline engines. Regular oil/filter replacements and warmup cycles.
Yeah we not gonna have another bmw v10 sedan
i dont care what people say. i own one. i changed the aftermarket rod bearings , crankshaft and etc. its reliable now and the car drives like a dream. i will never sell my m5 v10.
@@PharmacyAve I want to modernize it make it a 5.5 or a 6.0 with a DCT maybe sell the package by partnering with Troy
Bmw was gonna make the f10 that way with a 5.5 until Greta got on her soapbox
@@yuriboyka1185 +1 there mate!
@@TheTAEclub
How dare you!? 🤣🤣
Everything you hear about these cars is true so do not kid yourself about maintenance costs. But even figuring in the maintenance costs it is 1/2 the price of a Viper V10, 1/3 the price of a 996 twin turbo, and 1/4 the price of a Gallardo, R8 V10 or F430 and is faster than all those cars from 60km/h to 250km/h. It is also the only one which will hit 337km/h (electronic limiter removed).
If you want to run with those cars you will have to pay one way or the other. If you need Toyota reliability get a Toyota. Here is what it took to get my 2010 M6 daily driver reliable. Everyone has their own budget and I was prepared to pay the money for the privilege of listening to that V10 with a full stainless catback exhaust every day.
126K km - engine oil cooler and oil & filter;
118.5K km - BMW battery, Car Access Module and starter;
117.5K km - Upgraded BE connecting rod bearings and ARP studs, high pressure vanos line, motor mounts, 4 wheel alignment, oil pan warmer, spark plugs, control arm bushings, power steering flush, oil & filter;
115K km - oil & filter;
113K km - thermostat, rad flush and park sensors;
112K km - new front Michelins & 4 wheel alignment;
111K km - update Idrive & Nav to 2020;
107K km - oil & filter;
106K km - new SMG trans pump, high pressure line, clutch & slave cylinder;
103K km - new brake pads and rotors.
*** Your car should through a "check eng" light and provide a description of the fault if the thermostat is stuck open resulting failure to get up to full temp.
Sounds familiar. Have your rear brakes bound?
I had the alternator go last year. IBS and new battery.
I have a rebuilt title m6 that has all the maintenance done you think it’s worth supercharging in my instance?
I have done literally every maintenance item mentioned except fuel injectors lol 130k miles and counting. I would not let it idle to warm up though, wait a minute or two at idle but then just drive it, just keep the revs under 2k until the oil is at 210F or 100C.
That's what BMW master tech advised me. I wait until the start up sequence has run and the engine idle has settled to 600rpm (about a minute) and then I drive off. In D, so the technology keeps the revs low for economy. (Sounds lame but South London is a 20 zone.) I use the shift lever when warm and if on a track the paddles are right where they should be.
I own F10 530d but I do the same. Let it idle for couple of minutes then simply drive away and take it easy. 👍👌
Thanks for the video. Which oil are you running?
BMW has always been a premium brand that requires premium maintenance in order to deliver the power and enjoyment.
If you don’t have the money or the skill to maintain it, you shouldn't be buying it - simple as that.
It's like the man himself said - don't get salty at the brand because you're a cheapskate who wants to drive a sports car without investing in it.
Otherwise 'invest' into a monthly bus pass and quit whinging.
Thanks for the video! 👍
How frequently are we changing plugs, coils, vanos solenoids and the like? Every 50k miles? 30k? 100k? I’m genuinely asking. I currently have a e60 530 and love it to death, but an “m” car is a holy grail.
I was a tech for many years at one of if not the largest all euro/exotic dealership in the US (it was the largest when i was there idk about now) and that said I've been known to buy vehicles that have less than great reputations... I worked on VW Audi range rover jag and the occasional ferrari or Lamborghini but the 1 line I just never worked on was BMW they were over in their own building ect..anyway we had a v10 m5 on the lot and I loved it!! I was about to start the process of buying it..i knew they had a bad reputation but i drive a range rover for goodness sakes ....cant be any worse than that lmao.. so i go over and talk to a few of the BMW techs and every single one screamed NO!!! stay away!!! So that reaction convinced me not to buy it... but I've really been kicking myself for not buying it....thoughts on if i ever find another super clean V10 M5 ...should I just forget ever getting one ???
I love my e63 m6 got it wit 100k miles on it don’t know if they did the bearings but im planing on doing them i have owned it for about 3 months and put like 6 k miles on it already did first oil change as well oil look good no coper had to wait a month for oil so I decided to stack up on oil your going to need it with this car rods but over all very amazing car 😁😁
Get the oil tested before your next oil change. Who knows you might have a gently used one.
Bravo, Dean!
Thanks G
Cars like these just need consistency with care and maintenance. It’s always the owners driving it hard and abusing it and they’re so shocked when it breaks down.
Hey brother, had my m5 7yrs now, never redlined or abused it, mechanic said cylinder 1 has oil in it after i got a multiple cylinder misfire, due to old spark plugs, around how much is an engine rebuild, also is it necessary for a rebuild for cylinder 1 having oil in it ?
My S85 is burning oil heavily. I can see the intake valves of cylinders #3 and #8 covered in oil when I take off the plenum and open the throttle while other cylinders all have clean and dry valves. I replaced valve stem seals OE. The throttles are all clean and dry. So now the most likely culprit might be the valve guides. However I measured all the valve guides. They all have 5.00mm inner diameter. All the valves are within tolerance as well. What could that be?
Your intake valve stems could be ever so slightly bent due to them being stuck open at some point on cylinders #3 and #8, usually because of overreving.
Have you tried replacing those valves?
How long should I let it warm up I have a s65 and I’ve seen google say to let warm for 10 seconds
What do you mean about thermostat, running colder or hotter?
BMW are known for running their engines hotter. You can get thermostats that open at a lower temp and so the engine is kept at a lower temperature. Hotter is more efficient and better for emissions and power and... and..., but cooks plastic and rubber. I often thought I should have done it on my M62 but it was great OE.
My friend is trying to sell me his 2005 m5 with this engine. It seems to run good but I have been reluctant because how expensive these engines can cost if they go. It has 90k miles on it. The main concern for me is those rod bearings. I haven't asked how much it would be to replace those things. But I can't imagine it being cheap. Us dollars
Well its settled then. Selling my E36 M3 Techno Violet for a E60 M5.
I would only debate you on those Rod bearings. You’re definitely a lot less likely to ruin them with proper car care and not revving it past 3500 until the engine is fully warmed up, but those bearings are not good either way. They’re inherently flawed bearings and they should definitely be replaced to avoid an absolute disaster
I love my e90💯💯
Brother doc where did you get that jacket?
What about 15W-50 red line ?
Paldies par informaciju……
Isn’t it mostly the SMG that’s doomed no matter what you do?
It’s been over 5 years and nothing has ever gone wrong with the SMG 3 gearbox , my previous M3 E46 SMG 2 was a little unreliable though , it’s mainly the lemonade boys ( running a champagne car on lemonade money) that write negative stuff about these cars , great weekend car very addictive. 👍🇬🇧
Is it possible to put a n54 engine in a 128i my engine recently locked up and I need to replace it what engines would you recommend
That’s a stupid question just get a 135i with a n54 it’s cheaper
dont build what u can buy
4-5k, wow i wish they were that cheap in EU here it is like 10k for a smashed one :D
I know bro I don’t know why in EU everything is so expensive to buy. To be honest everyone just takes the piss there as there not meant to be that price people are just greedy same way there trying it here, but people won’t buy it here that’s the difference as people here want it cheap and cheap Will wait for it to be cheap.
@@BMWDoctor because it's a socialist hell hole 🕳
coming from experience of owning this car, even though it is an engine mostly for the mechanially inclined or someone that takes care of it, BMW is certainly still at fault for the lack of reliabilty of this engine, and yes as cars get older and older they need more care but no other car will destroy its rod bearings in as little as 40-60k miles, and i think no other car will have someone as paranoid about it breaking as this thing.
Brah go buy a McLaren or a Ferrari & get back to me in such miles to lmk how it went!
Bro where to get the same deal of vanos solonides, like you got
Trade account !
@@BMWDoctor bro can you get it for me also
I wish I’m not allowed ! On trade rules are very different. I would just try source them from eBay if possible personally I wouldn’t trust eBay to buy them kind of things but it’s most peoples only option. If your in UK it’s easy to open one if you have the right documents or a garage ID number for a official repair garage.
U said u love porch seems like hate bmw because its slow then why keep make it? Just make a porch though
WTF am I watching this, like I'd ever buy this car :D
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I love my M cars I've owned but Jesus.. so basically what you're saying is every single part of the engine and SMG will fail prematurely. Knowing how terribly engineered this motor is I can never in good faith own an E60/63.