Manscape is for idiots who want to waste money on cheap bundled garbage. The more crap they include the lower the value of the main item. I bet everything included could be found at Walmart and you don't get things you don't need.
It's ironic that he specifically hired women who were professionally trained at the tasks needed in order to make the men feel threatened but the only man who ended up feeling threatened was him
He did the whole experiment hoping he wasn't the only one with his negative feelings towards his female scientist colleagues, and wound up scientifically proving that he is indeed the only one there with those thoughts. Pretty much proved that he was the monkey, and not them. Though I doubt even monkeys would react the way he would've thought.
Someone: *rips out a massive fart* Santiago: "The subjects have managed to use the body's natural processies to create a chemical weapon to attack each other. THIS is the break."
@@schwarzerritter5724 I am at 23:30 right now, and it's friggin hilarious. "I've hidden the axe in case their bloodlust is still strong in the morning" "They're eating a fish!"
I think the funniest thing about all of this is the fact that he gave them exactly what they needed in order to 100% bond as a team and develop a sense of loyalty between them: a common enemy.
I can't stop giggling at the idea of everyone just having fun and then there's this 50 year old man just scribbling in a notebook going, "they're going to rip each other to shreds any minute now... any minute now..."
I'm surprised that Santigo, an educated man, somehow forgot that humans have spent centuries crossing the ocean on voyages that lasted months, in even more cramped conditions than in this experiment, with alcohol present, and still managed to not murder each other. He could have just read a couple history books and saved himself years of effort.
I mean, yeah some murders happened for sure, especially in pirate ships in 1800 era, but it's not like people were going to go full caveman mode if they spent months together in a ship
This video becomes ten thousand times funnier if you just imagine Santiago sitting in a lawn chair on a full suit while muttering "any time" to himself the whole time
This has to be the most (unintentionally) wholesome experiment ever done. All I learned is that, in a vacuum, humans have more of a capacity to love, than to hate.
I'd go so far as to say not in a vacuum. I think love and cooperation are the general invisible baseline. Most people get along and are kind to each other, and because it's the baseline no one really pays it any attention. If scientists rated all the interpersonal activity of 100 people's lives for a month, the incidents of meanness or worse would probably be >1%.
@@zerotalk9894 Maybe that's because people find it a lot easier to accuse a person with a name, rather than a -piece of technology called Damocles- virus called SARS-CoV2.
The part where Santiago is trying to start drama with the crew and ends up with a group therapy session where everyone is apologizing to everyone else is so funny. This experiment could be a sitcom with how bad every plan Santiago had backfired.
I was thinking the same or for a movie too. I could not stop laughing at the part where Santiago wanted to do the experiment over again by himself staring at the ocean for 100 days😂😂
Everything he did just proved him more and more wrong, showing how human nature is actually to be kind and take care of each other, which is equally heartwarming and hilarious.
it reminds me of the real world because it ALWAYS ends with sex. always, no matter what it ends up in sex so of course that raft would end up being nothing but sex by the end of it. humans man, humans. also survivor with the planting of betrayal ideas.
@@maggiedk Well, I'd imagine if they had no idea where they are, limited food, little experience in sailing and whatnot they might have become violent, selfish or something else. Not to defend Santiago or say he was not an idiot though.
I can kind of see it as something that the crews from Peep Show or It's Always Sunny would stumble into inadvertently. In the former case it would definitely be Superhans' doing, and the latter would simply happen if Dennis tried to invoke "The Implication" with Dee anywhere near.
When he got to the part about the researcher reading the questions out I was just like "I would watch this sitcom" lmao He's like a third-rate B-movie horror villain when everyone else is living in the real world
Seems a bit high brow for Key and Peele. Could see it being an Always Sunny episode like someone else mentioned. The guy is literally Dennis. He thinks he's this genius manipulator but really he's just an ass who no one likes.
The idea that Santiago planned them all to go crazy and kill each other and go at it like rabbits, and that in the end the only person they wanted to kill was HIM because he was a weird violent ass is the funniest thing I've ever heard
I want a sitcom style show about this where basically everyone is living on the raft in harmony while Santiago is like pulling his hair out trying to sabotage everyone and being comically upset when nothing happens
Then at the end one of the crew-mates sits with him and starts telling him about how good the trip was, how they grew as people etc. Before patting him on the back and leaving. Nice lil send off for the show lmao
If I ever feel like humanity is cruel and hopeless, I'll think back on this. Some dude put a bunch of people on a boat so they would kill and r-word each other, but instead, they all became life-long best friends.
This whole thing reads almost like a kids book, themed around how being nice and kind to your peers is important. Santiago sounds like a Disney Villan.
I recently have been rewatching south park and this sounds like something Cartman would do , especially at the part where Santiago went people of the similar races to start getting it on.
“From the detail of the branches, I can tell she is upset.” Ah yes, I’m sure the detail of the branches was quite apparent when they came hurtling towards your face!
As a person fascinated with science and psychology, it frustrates me to no end that Santiago is unable to comprehend that results that don’t align with the hypothesis are not bad or wrong and can still provide incredibly valuable insight. Unexpected results are still results and are still useful. I think this study is a testament of the beauty of human relationships and further exemplifies that we are an incredibly social species (regardless of the poor construction and ethical violations resulting in very insufficient empirical results with basically no generalizability). The dichotomy of Santiago frantically scribbling his “findings” into his notebook like a madman, convinced everyone on ship is about to violently attack each other, while people are working through trauma with each other and gaining new positive perspectives on life is just so funny. The entire story feels like it’s fiction, but the fact it’s real makes it all the more hilarious. Thank you for sharing, Wendigoon :)
@@RoseDxoggo My best guess is he’s referring to the youtuber pamtri, who uses a robotic voice line that says “Santiago,” & puts it randomly in his videos. His content is abstract & meant to come off creepy at times, otherwise it’s just silly.
Old dude unintentionally figured out one reason drill instructors are the way they are. When the group detests one individual, its a bonding experience.
Love that Santiago got female volunteers to do all the important jobs in order to make the men feel undermined but then gets undermined by the women who know how to sail and he just throws a fit.
I know I was thinking the whole time "why didn't he just use people that had absolutely no clue how to operate an effing boat?" I know very morbid question!
@@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo that would be a more morbid yet interesting experiment. What if 10 or so people who have little to no knowledge of sailing a boat gets to be set off to the sea, nor have leadership skills. He expects Lord of the Flies but instead got Treasure Island XD
@@charlesdemers1197 it’s a meme about supposed empathetic people “sensing” very obvious emotions. Like she was clearly very mad and threw the paper at him, anyone could tell she didn’t like him, but he acted like he was so observant for recognizing her anger towards him so it’s kinda funny.
He picked people who's whole careers depend on positive social interaction and then expected them to be antisocial. And the man considered himself a genius lol..
that a good point! maybe if he selected way more introverted people, forced them to live in that tiny cabin, maybe that could have added some toxicity. But let’s be real humans are generally chill as long as basic needs are met.
@@craigquann joker posits that too and is proven wrong many times. The real world proves it wrong. The only people scared of food shortages or theft are people willing to steal or not share. Ones outlook tells you a lot about their inner world.
@@professorfukyu744 absolutely! life has shown me, people who are typical suspicious of others, should be given a short leash. trustworthy people tend to trust, or at least want to trust, others. What we see, we tend to be. 👍✌️✊ 🙉🙈🙊
also by advertising the experiment as being about bringing about world peace, he basically filtered out the people who were most likely to commit violent acts
A group of men and women in a small space at sea for a long time? That's literally a modern nuclear submarine, and those aren't exactly known for sex or for violence within the crew
You could make the argument those are militarymen who underwent all sorts of training to maintain order in the sub, and laypeople would be different. But laypeople proved not different.
Most of the crew is in their late teens and early twenties; incorporating women into sub crews has caused a drastic increase of sex on board. It is casual sex for fun though, not the primal sex described in the experiment.
@@Cloud30000I mean, humans aren't the most horny animals in the world anyway, we ain't rabbits or mice. Sure we CAN have sex anytime but our sex drive isn't strong enough to need that.
Two completely normal women: *sharing a beautiful moment about how this voyage gave them a new perspective on life and gave them more courage as people* Santiago: Any moment now they'll kill each other.
All the people on the boat: that was a cool time. Meeting new people. Doing things I never done before. Can't wait to tell my family Santiago: oh yeah they're close, you can see the bloodlust in their eyes.
No joke, he'd probably document this as his experiment working flawlessly without fail... Even though he's just annoying the crap out of everyone else with his huddled shell of a lifestyle
This was supposed to be a blind study that was supposed to study human interaction between 10 people, by Santiago This ended up being a blind study on the detrimental effects of narcissism, studying Santiago
So basically this guy created a literal tribal paradise on a gorgeous raft in the middle of a beautiful ocean full of fish, populated it with interesting people who had a variety of skills and professions, and made sure by the setup of the experiment that people would interact with each other, share stories and songs and meals and work... and expected them to randomly start murdering each other? Um... I'm thinking that says more about Santiago's mindset and view of humanity, than anyone else's.
The idiot's experiment would've probably gone more according to plan if he choose only people who had criminal backgrounds, but I think how it really would've worked out is everyone would distress on a healthy afternoon of "accidenting" him off the raft even in that scenario.
@@Ryanowning but that would simply go against the point of the experiment, as you'd be involving people who are psychologically different from the average human being, when in reality he was looking for the average human being to resort to animalistic tendencies when put in that situation. But of course, the man was an idiot and created the perfect scenario for all of them to bond and relax. You're right though, he would have 100% been the one to have been thrown overboard in that case.
@@thatmfdiego If you've ever heard stories from guys who've been in prison it's pretty clear that the result would most likely be exactly the same unless you put complete psychopaths on board.
@@voxlknight2155 or tell everyone (in private) that there’s a bounty on 2 other random people that are also gonna be on the boat, to actually give them a motivation to attack each other
This is just so crazy that he gathered together a bunch of very cool sounding well balanced diverse people on a free cruise and didn't expect them to just vibe
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally picked a bunch of interoverted asexuals, but the intro ruled that out since he was targeting families lol
It sounds like he was an internet goblin going to a summer camp with a bunch of normal, well adjusted people. He’s pissed because everyone else is having fun and not putting up with his bullshit.
People who would participate in an experiment out at sea with a bunch of strangers to help create world peace would probably be kind, moral, and extroverted people. No wonder they became great friends. 😂
I think the fact that Santiago didn’t let them bring any entertainment severely backfired on him. I get that he did it thinking they would be more inclined to do what he wanted, but it just made them so bored that they had no choice but to talk with each other and inadvertently made them closer and less likely to hurt each other. Like, mans just completely ignored that social bonds within the group make in-group violence less likely. How did he, as an anthropologist, forget that.
Easy, bro, had a childish view of violence. He thought that because people get mad and angry that they swap hands and game end one another. But his tunnel vision and childish perspective kept him from realizing the biggest changes from the Chimpanzee experiment: Socialization and resources
Well he was a terrible anthropologist is how. Terrible scientist too. You can’t _force_ an experiment to go the way you want. You form a hypothesis and conduct an experiment to see if it works or not. He disregarded the “or not”.
@@cubsfanman-nx6pgI know right? Like if he wanted the violence and sex get people who are single. Especially teens who are into both lol I guess he thought human nature would dictate they would all be that way
If I had 100 points to award for the results, I'd give 90 to the captain and 9 to the priest and 1 to Santiago, the villain. Including a competent captain who knows how to lead was a huge mistake on his part.
He really didn't get what actually causes violence. Jealousy and feelings of being cheated. If you were to say give some crew members more rights than others or intentionally allow bullying of some people by others such as the college prison experiment, then you'd see violence. But just people standing around together will get along because we are social creatures. He really wasn't much of a psychologist if he didn't get that.
santiago sounds like one of those guys who everybody hates but has so little self awareness that he assumes it's because humans are angry people by default and he's just the most calm and reasonable human alive
He literally made everyone want to kill him by the end because he was so unbearable to live with. Genuinely believe in an alternate universe where this was a permanent situation, they would have gone through with it.
I guess Santiago expected The Lord of the Flies, when even when a Lord of the Flies situation did happen (bunch of kids got stranded on an island), the kids actually just got along (like on the Acali Raft).
The difference between the Lord of the Flies and the Raft is that, the resources on the Lord of the Flies island are limited, while the Raft isn't. When there isn't enough resources to share with everyone, humans will get violent. That's the one part he forgot to account. But then again, if he did make resources on the Raft limited, he would be the first one to fall as well.
Maybe his assumption was that these would be preformed crews of career sailors, often majority male, with clear leadership hierarchies, that are likely from a similar background. Which is not entirely accurate historically, but he wasn't a historian. I think ultimately his experiment proved that a more random collection of people from different backgrounds, with limited nautical experience, given a common goal can still unite as a crew. Which is still not anything particularly groundbreaking, but I guess it still makes an interesting experiment.
Imagine if this had another movie and the trailers/promotional material portrayed it as like a violent psychological drama, but then the actual movie was a complete comedy/feel-good film that constantly shifts between Santiago's perspective with super-dramatic and tense editing and the rest of the crew which is a much more simple and mundane interactions and events.
Well we kind of had the opposite with Cabin in the Woods. I think all the promos featured the very blasé kids-die-on-a-camping-trip content but then the movie took a bit of a detour
A paranoid Santiago standing in a corner with red lights blaring in the dark as beasts tear open the smoking carcass of a shark, juxtaposed with relaxing lighting on a simple cookout with people smiling
This sounds like an episode of a kids cartoon where the bad guy tries to secretly manipulate the protagonists into hurting themselves only for his plans to backfire every single time
What I think is the wildest about all of this, is Santiago fully expected, and hoped, for the people to kill eachother. Then, he gets in the same boat. Did he think they wouldnt just kill him too? I mean if i had that hypothesis, i wouldnt get on the boat with the test subjects.
The funny thing is, Santiago was so dead set on proving himself right that he didn't even use the opportunity to showcase the other side of scientific experimentation. Being wrong and documenting why. Part of the fun of science is being wrong and figuring out why you were wrong. It's how new hypothesis are made. Santiago wanted everyone to act like the monkeys but didn't think "Okay so this is why they didn't." There was nothing overtly wrong with the idea of testing if humans would revert to more primal instincts if stuck in isolation for long periods of time, but he did the test outright wrong, and refused to admit it, thus devaluing any evidence of his hypothesis anyways. Basically, the man was an idiot, had no idea how scientific experimentation works apparently, and through his desire to see blood and mayhem caused a social group to blossom and proved that humans of all types can truly get along under the right circumstances.
That's what psychology experiments are: You set out to prove or disprove your theory. People like him are prevalent in powerful society today. The euphimism is 'Nudge'.
Well, this experiment actually proves the proximity theory, when people are enclosed in closer proximity physically, socially they get closer too. To be more specific, when people are forced next to one another, we see, hear and learn more about the other, and more we learn about one another, we see more similarities as humans together. Ultimately, we will accept people we see more similarities with. Violence, war and discrimination occurs mainly when we don't understand one another, as we see others as different. PS: Of course, this applies to normal healthy humans both physically and mentally. Broken people are considered outliers because of the early stage of life being introduced to many distrust and no longer able to function socially. Also minus genetic defects that affect one's social ability. eg. Psychopaths and Trisomy 21.
Honest to god, this sounds like the perfect plot to a sort of comedy film. Also, the idea that Santiago expected all the men to have this sort of violent reaction and be angry at the idea that a woman would fix the rudder, and then refuses to let one of the women fix the rudder and gets angry about it is hilarious, lol.
I love how the only hate that was generated was towards the guy running the experiment. Also, if I was on that raft I would have absolutely trolled Santiago in the questionnaires.
@@GBlockbreaker Yo, for real! Even if their plans always fail, they often fail due to unforeseen circumstances totally outside of their control or expectations, and outside of that all their plans nevertheless are usually incredible feats of creativity and ingenuity. How many times has Team Rocket tried to catch a Pokemon, and in the process of doing so just casually create marvelous devices and technologies that could easily be worth way more than the Pokemon they're after, and could easily set them up for life?
@@thek2despot426 Jesse and James could have KILLED IT in fashion, textiles, acting, mechanical engineering, hell, they'd probably make a pair of damn good Pokemon rangers. Those two could have thrived in just about any industry other than capturing that Pikachu.
I think that a couple of things he didn't consider were that: 1) The kind of antisocial people who might behave the way he expected probably wouldn't volunteer for this kind of voyage in the first place. He'd inadvertantly created a self-selected crew of social co-operators. 2) He'd put these people into a fairly dangerous situation where they all knew that their survival depended on getting along and NOT behaving in the way he wanted them to. If he'd put them into a confined, isolated, boring, but non-risky situation, then he might have seen some more random and/or selfish behaviour.
Man the first filter you pointed out, is one of the hardest obstacles to notice in any project modelling. I'm here pointing in my mind everything Santiago could have done wrong (aside from the obvious lmao) from a scientific point of view, and your observation was very insightful.
That and there wasn't any real pressure put on them (and let's not gloss over than some sex did occur and they planned murder). If this had been a shipwreck lifeboat with fear, uncertainty, injuries and death, limited rations or shelter, etc things can go south fast. Add more "us vs them" friction as well.... Real life and other social experiments (including ones with humans) show that his predictions weren't bad they're just not going to get extreme when everyone volunteered, is healthy and fed, and there's a certain end in sight.
This is a big issue with psychology and why replication of classic experiments is often impossible. A good example is the Stanford prison experiment, in which they deliberately selected for people who would do the things they wanted to happen. Another good one is the Milgram experiments on obedience to authority which is obviously not as much a thing anymore now that the silent generation and zoomers are pretty damn different on that axis
True but I don't think that's the whole truth specially considering the researcher lost so many details like Edna having sex wid 2 dudes and stuff lyk that. I am pretty sure lot more happened and ppl didn't want to talk about it cz they had to go back2their families.
@@lepenseur8242 guys look i found Santiago's kid! but fr tho, what else could have happened, especially with their relationships with each other and life after the cruise.
That kinda reminds me of something. If you try to ship koi fish, they’ll die. But by adding a piranha to the fishbowl, their survival instincts kick in and they’ll survive. The group united so well and got along so well because the scientist was an antagonist that the other people on the boat could unite against. In order to get along with people, you need a common enemy. That’s just my takeaway though.
The captain: *take the wheel* we need someone to clean the bloody deck an feed the corpse to the fishes because we going home~😎👍 The crew: 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳 Santiago:🖕💀🖕
Not am really curious how different it would've went if it was only them on the boat. They were friendly indeed, but when you don't have such a strong distraction you can team up against, things must've went differently.
@Raul-Sorin Sorban exactly. They had someone to unite against. If not, they would've bullied someone from their crowd. That's the real nature of humans unfortunately 😕
An "experiment" he tried to stack the deck beforehand, kept tampering with even when it was ongoing, and probably had no idea how he would ever make a control group.
How did this guy even remotely make it as a researcher? One of the first things we're taught about the scientific method is that you're meant to try to prove your theories to be incorrect instead of proving them correct.
What did homedude think was going to happen if his experiment worked? "Oh, yes, I tricked all these people to come on a raft with me for 100 days under false pretenses, and half of them murdered and violated the other half, just like I planned. Where's my award?" And that's even without considering that he himself willingly got onto a murder raft that he actively believed and attempted to make into a murder raft.
also does he think that he wouldnt also be on the list of murder targets if they did? like "whup, no no no you're not allowed to kill ME thats against the rules!" while out at international waters with like no accountability in the moment lol
i think he thought he'd be the leader of the murdering and violating, which imo i what he REALLY wanted lol. he loved the false history of dudes murdering other dudes and violating women whenever they wanted, and wanted to be the alpha in it. but unfortunately for him, human nature and social evolution came from and IS pack bonding
I accidentally clicked this video and wasn't going to watch it until I saw the guys name was Santiago. Seeing comments talking about someone with the same name as you is really strange. Especially when Santiago is an uncommon name.
@@simple_playz UA-cam hid your post by the way, I'll copy it here. "He was just absolutely dumb as hell, and kinda sick too. So the fact that you found him relatable says a lot of things about you."
Did Santiago consider that if they'd move to violence, he might be the first to be attacked? Q: Who on the raft would you want to kill? A: Santiago. (unanimous)
Santiago must've been horrible. And they got as far as discussing possible methods. What if they had actually offed the guy? Then they'd REALLY have a bond!
The other would supposedly compete for "fertile females" as they were all in their 20s-30s while he probably wouldn't compete with them as a 55-year-old. And he seems like an obvious narcissist.
The great irony of this experiment is that it destroyed the idea of the "objective observer." Instead of Santiago's test subjects experiencing a psychological breakdown, it was Santiago himself who snapped when things weren't going the way he had hoped. The moral of the story here, kids: if everyone else around you seems to be perfectly sane when you expect them to lose it, the only one losing it is you.
Some people are anti-social enough to pull it off. The problem would be proximity here. If you were slightly better than creepy, people would want to talk to you just to break the boredom.
I'm afraid this is my family's psychology when it comes to socialisation. Throughout the pandemic lockdown, they recollect the horror stories about their individual experiences, and I realised something about my family. They let the experience dictate their life outlook. I make it my ideation to marry someone outside my race, marry overseas, and never come back. This experiment has so many fallacies that it didn't deserve to be called one. But what it definitely pointed out is that, Santiago allowed his life experiences to become him. I will need to save money and get out of my family.
Just told my wife about this story, and I loved the little exchange: "Wait, if he's on the boat observing, doesn't that interfere with the experiment?" "Oh, that is the least of the problems with this experiment..."
I shared this video with a few of my colleagues (I work in academia) and a few of my non-work friends and I made a couple of lil anecdotal observations: 1) all the academics, without fail, made some comment along the lines of 'who the hell granted ethics for this?', and 2) all of them *also* made a comment about the same thing as your wife. None of my non-academic friends did Its not surprising, really. But i found it a bit funny that anyone who works closely with scientific research kinda has an extra layer of 'wait what' to the whole thing lol
@@cyber_rachel7427It’s obvious any experiment no matter social, biochemical, physical, etc should be held in a contained environment with no variables unaccounted for. If Santiago counted himself as a variable in the experiment then it’d be valid, but it seems that wasn’t his intention. So yeah, the guy was just a lunatic with no real ethics or understanding of protocol.
@@cyber_rachel7427 i thought the same. The moment you have the guy involved you already fucking up the experiment. Also the fact that monkeys and humans have different instincts and different societies, so like, how would you apply the same experiment in humans?
lol ikr. Science was not taken into account in this experiment, and Santiago might as well just be apart of the experiment as well, but if he's apart of the experiment, it taints everything and the most you can get out of it is how narcists interact when put into a position of power over others.
Yes, also, IDK what kind of misguided logic led Santiago to conclude that female participants who were older and had kids were the ideal, the epitome, of female fertility and attractiveness. As a young guy, an older woman who has already had kids with other men is rather not attractive, ESPECIALLY if I am looking for a deep, long-term relationship.
@@DrPepper-iy7vv Probably projected a milf fetish based and justified it with those monkey experiments, considering how he projected his entire mental decline.
I think I found even more plot holes in Santiago’s plan 1. How was he going to stop himself from becoming a feral himself? Did he have a plan to keep what little sanity he had, or did he just decide he was built different? 2. If he didn’t become feral, how was he going to keep himself from being killed? I don’t think he had any self defense training mentioned. Seriously, this guy gave himself the thickest plot armor. 3. Let’s assume the experiment went as planned, and they became violent and murderous. Was he planning on just releasing them into the world after? No rehabilitation or therapy, just ‘I turned these people into murderous savages, good luck lol’ like what was the plan there??
Also, given he put women in charge with the hope that the men would get jealous and become violent - his whole aim was to get the men to attack the women?!
So, does the mean that actually he faked to be evil and actually wanted to spread a message that everyone is same and can live with eachother peacefully?
@@jackmcmorrow you have to also have one specific guy thats so evil everyone else wants him dead and then everyone will band together to become allies edit: this sounds like the setup to a world war..
Ironically, he Freuded his experiment. Freud is mostly known for his "deep sexual subconscious perversions" theories, when in fact... Freud was just elaborating on his own deep sexual subconscious perversions. The therapist is so biased that they truly believe that every human being has their same psychological profile. Santiago LITERALLY created an environment to break himself, under the false assumption that everyone is like him, and so became the only one that broke. When I was a psychology student, my professor stated that an absurdly large percentage of psychology majors that pursue the career, do so simply because they feel lost in their own psychological issues and want answers. It's rare to find true observant psychologists that don't project their own psychological profile into their theories. Fascinating story though! Thank you for digging it up and sharing it with us! 😊
There is a chance that he might of been autistic, like maybe the science behind violence was his special interest, and he has issues understanding social situation, which explains his weird analysis of the results. Idk for sure tho, probably not.
Santiago: “I’m gonna organize a boat trip and see if everyone else goes insane, but I’ll be perfectly okay!” Also Santiago: Is the only one that goes insane.
This experiment only taught me that world peace can only be achieved if there’s a 50-year-old man staring at you with a notepad. And/or a common enemy whatever comes first.
I think Santiago sharing people's questionnaires with the group backfired not just because everyone naturally liked each other, but remember, they still didn't know the true purpose of the experiment. To them, the experiment was about building world peace. I'm sure many of them saw this as a test of that. "Can I sow the seeds of distrust and prove that world peace is impossible?", and the participants are likely thinking "this is a test, I shouldn't give in to anger and distrust".
Tbh a lot of this came from him having an old-world anthropology background instead of modern psychology. Unproven theoretical concepts. That's why experiments like the Stanford Prison experiment, Millgram authority experiment, bystander experiments, "rat park" etc. turn out very different. Keeping people in the dark about experimental purpose is pretty standard. But _"World peace"_ is a pretty obvious lie, when your surveys blatantly ask if you want to kill anyone. E.g. Choosing married 'fertile' women was arbitrary. Why not single (and "ready to mingle")? Also, sure equal representation is important in large scale statistical studies, but how 'natural' is it to have a medley of world travelers with little common ground, and novel stories to share? How would it have differed from having all the same national (if not cultural) context? Or groups with pre-existing racial tensions at stake. Yes, authority is a major source of conflict, but why did he decide that male-female friction was that much more important than friction between allegedly 'alpha' males? Or those from different social classes? And *_most importantly,_* why did he focus on boredom, rather than scarcity, as the far more typical prelude to conflict? Ample food and a common goal - those are not the usual triggers for war. It's unethical to create a crisis - but that's exactly what sparks the problems he wanted to see, just like the storm + mutiny lead to. It's not like I would want his experiment to "succeed". But he set out to research something, and many of his decisions seem arbitrarily based on abstract old theories. Most of the 1930s-1940s sociology he studied as an undergrad were just random guesses about human behaviour,. E.g. We were just coming out of Freudian Oedipus theories, and scientific racism ("blacks are unevolved") - which you can hear in how he antagonized poor Fay :(
@@Valkbg I had the same thought. To hell with the scientific method. He attempted to taint the data at every turn to prove the theory instead of objectively gathering data and coming to a different conclusion disproving the theory. A shitty person AND a shitty scientist.
The guy completely missed the obvious fact that a bunch of random animals jammed into a cage are socially completely unlike a group of humans who voluntarily get on to a small but reasonably comfortable boat.
Plot twist, human beings are evolved to be more social then the species of monkey he was going off, who would have thought a species that evolved in small groups working together in trying times and typically outcasting those who don’t cooperate and be kind to others, which had spent most of its history in this state, would mostly have individuals who get along in trying times where a small group needs to cooperate? This guy was amusingly out of touch with his own kind
@delilah mae are you sure there's evidence enough where using the scientific method there could be no other possibilities or conclusions or explanations that maybe even has less leaps of logic needed to hold it's theory up for whoever wants to have a look for themselves...? after all, it seems most people forget how evolution itself is just another yet to be proven theory , like most of our modern day science...
@@PopcornMax179 To create a situation actually comparable to the monkey jammed in a cage, yes. And they'd need to be stuffed into a prison cell instead of on a boat. Actually, we HAVE that situation, in real prisons, except we do our damnedest to keep them gender segregated since we know what happens when we don't. We get similar problems when we do, but usually not as badly. And yes, we get a lot of violence, although it's not clear if we're getting a lot of violence because we're stuffing (not entirely random) people into cages or because the people we stuff into these cages are disproportionately those already likely to use violence, since having already used violence to get your way is one of the things we'll stuff you in the cage for. It also occurs to me that many monkey species are a LOT more violent than humans are to begin with. If you compare the amount of violence that the group leaders among chimps carry out to the amount of violence that leaders of small groups of humans carry out, chimps are WAY more violent than most humans. For at least the last 50 000 years, since modern linguistic capabilities arose in humans, the kind of violence that makes a chimp the absolute master of the band of chimps has, among humans, been an excellent way to get murdered in your sleep by a small group of betas who are angry at how you treat them and theirs, and know how to walk quietly while carrying large rocks.
The sharks were probably following the boat to eat anything edible that went overboard. Sharks often do this with fishing vessels. The sharks might have also been following the boat to eat any fish that might have been hanging out around the boat.
Congrats, Santiago! You "discovered" that humans, a social species, bond together and form communities whenever they can to help eachother and not be lonely. Too bad we already knew that since pretty much always.
@@darkcat6530 It is not black and white like this. While people don't act like "wild animals" just because, most if not all humans are capable of doing bad things under certain circumstances, and even though those circumstances must have been something really extreme for most of us, there are psychopaths and sociopaths around....
The whole shark thing is hilarious to me. These people are like "Oh hey, we caught a shark, toss it on the grill," and this creepy old man is acting like this is the most violent, psychotic thing he's ever seen. The sheer mundanity of eating a fish.
I mean a shark is not the usual kind of fish to be eating (afaik) but still not what he was making it out to be lol edit: Okay I get it, people eat shark. Chill lol
Sooooo for us to eventually reach World peace is to have 1 scientist that will carry the weight of the brunt of the hatred of every other person in the world for 100 days.....this means that this New-Santiago-like-scientist will actually become the savior of humankind thus an ultimate hero, Nice story arc.. i think there is a movie script hiding in (t)here.
@@wallyslow every *hero* needs a _Villain_ , and our villain as a collective shall be santiago! Note: i said Hero & Villain and not Protagonist & Antagonist *intentionally* , because a hero *has* to be the good guy, whereas a protagonist can be the bad guy
I find it rather ironic how Santiago, who was so obsessed with getting results, was completely blind to the actual results the study yielded, which are actually pretty profound. All of these people were from completely different backgrounds, different culture, and yet, given the chance, they were all able to form strong connections and experienced incredible self discovery. How is this experience anything but an intense reminder of how powerful relationships truly are? How are these results a failure? Santiago was just so occupied with his proving his hypothesis that he forgot that disproving your hypothesis is just as meaningful in science, completely missing the incredibly moving results his research ultimately yielded despite his interference
He made the biggest mistake that scientists are not supposed to make. He came to a conclusion first, then tried to find evidence to support what he already believed.
@@almerosepwanzaky6342 lol, that's what we actually did in our research. We were relieved that we're right or else we gonna do the whole project again. xd
I think the most interesting part of this is was the nature of communication and how pivotal It is in our society, there were problems with stealing food and problems with early distrust and mild aggression However communication was the key difference. I would be interested in a (more humane, cause wtf) study where there is a language barrier. What the nature of humans are when we can't communicate. Do we create new methods, do we teach what we know to each other, or would we be aggressive, hormonal monkeys?
the irony that Santiago’s goal was to prove that humans are like animals, just to have the experiment show that humans are not animals! It’s honestly kind of beautiful that people from all over the world with different backgrounds and beliefs could get along so well and become so close!
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It's ironic that he specifically hired women who were professionally trained at the tasks needed in order to make the men feel threatened but the only man who ended up feeling threatened was him
Some projection indeed
@@PineappleTom71 Fr lol
Dudes didn’t feel threatened at all. They’re just like “ok, cool! I’m going fishing!”
He did the whole experiment hoping he wasn't the only one with his negative feelings towards his female scientist colleagues, and wound up scientifically proving that he is indeed the only one there with those thoughts. Pretty much proved that he was the monkey, and not them. Though I doubt even monkeys would react the way he would've thought.
And that the idea was for people to turn feral with anger and go crazy, but only he was mad...
Someone: *rips out a massive fart*
Santiago: "The subjects have managed to use the body's natural processies to create a chemical weapon to attack each other. THIS is the break."
Lol 😆
something broke I guess
@@fungalwater3175 The air.
The wind, if you will.
you look like the kind of guy to have a fart fetish
Shark meat fart
Santiago: I will make a woman captain, that will surely make the men revolt.
Also Santiago: How dare that woman tell me what to do!?
should have called the raft "Projection."
Reading through these comments before watching the video is a hoot. Can't wait to see how hilariously stupid the Santiago guy is.
Noah
Some stories can be made better with spoilers.
@@schwarzerritter5724 I am at 23:30 right now, and it's friggin hilarious.
"I've hidden the axe in case their bloodlust is still strong in the morning"
"They're eating a fish!"
@@captainmaim best comment! Epic! 🤣
I think the funniest thing about all of this is the fact that he gave them exactly what they needed in order to 100% bond as a team and develop a sense of loyalty between them: a common enemy.
lmao, yes this is actually another great way to look at it
me and my coworkers banding together to fight against our common enemy: the manager
@@JumboJimbopKarens must like you all
Looks like that "World Peace Experiment" wasn't a lie after all...
Brilliant.
I can't stop giggling at the idea of everyone just having fun and then there's this 50 year old man just scribbling in a notebook going, "they're going to rip each other to shreds any minute now... any minute now..."
"Watch, he'll turn red any second now.... any second now."
and the only questions he could think of was LITERALLY that fuck marry kill thing from high school
@@hfriedjnk OH MY GOD TRUE
@@thesalvager3020 SEE! RED!
@@thesalvager3020...see? Red! No, that's blood...
I'm surprised that Santigo, an educated man, somehow forgot that humans have spent centuries crossing the ocean on voyages that lasted months, in even more cramped conditions than in this experiment, with alcohol present, and still managed to not murder each other. He could have just read a couple history books and saved himself years of effort.
But, that would require having a realistic perception of humanity and violence and I don't think Santiago had that.
Right lol? I'm sorry this guy was a total idiot.
Ikr, guy was a idiot
I mean, yeah some murders happened for sure, especially in pirate ships in 1800 era, but it's not like people were going to go full caveman mode if they spent months together in a ship
History books don't talk about sex.
This video becomes ten thousand times funnier if you just imagine Santiago sitting in a lawn chair on a full suit while muttering "any time" to himself the whole time
Oh my god… that does sound hilarious
Angry lawn chair boomer of the sea, don’t forgot the sunglasses and budlight
Like a man that is stranded on a beach losing his mind 😂 “Any time… Any time now… 👹”
All the while everyone is just laughing chatting and getting along singing songs and dancing with each other
*any time now
This has to be the most (unintentionally) wholesome experiment ever done. All I learned is that, in a vacuum, humans have more of a capacity to love, than to hate.
I'd go so far as to say not in a vacuum. I think love and cooperation are the general invisible baseline. Most people get along and are kind to each other, and because it's the baseline no one really pays it any attention. If scientists rated all the interpersonal activity of 100 people's lives for a month, the incidents of meanness or worse would probably be >1%.
the majority of people are nice, most are simply in bad situations, and the few bad people take advantage of them to get into positions of power
No, Tubby Virgin Gamers and Rap artists are the bane of humanity
he literally created the perfect environment to create friendships. he even gave them a villain to unite against lol.
if the world had a common enemy, the world would unite with each other.
@@yeuogu4840 Anti-vaxxers say otherwise
@@zerotalk9894 Maybe that's because people find it a lot easier to accuse a person with a name, rather than a -piece of technology called Damocles- virus called SARS-CoV2.
@@notnullnotvoid lmao. haha I guess this proves Lelouch's plan is realistic.
@@hunteraltman4762 the whole thing about the companies not taking responsibility for side effects is definitely quite concerning
The part where Santiago is trying to start drama with the crew and ends up with a group therapy session where everyone is apologizing to everyone else is so funny. This experiment could be a sitcom with how bad every plan Santiago had backfired.
I was thinking the same or for a movie too. I could not stop laughing at the part where Santiago wanted to do the experiment over again by himself staring at the ocean for 100 days😂😂
Everything he did just proved him more and more wrong, showing how human nature is actually to be kind and take care of each other, which is equally heartwarming and hilarious.
it reminds me of the real world because it ALWAYS ends with sex. always, no matter what it ends up in sex so of course that raft would end up being nothing but sex by the end of it. humans man, humans. also survivor with the planting of betrayal ideas.
@@maggiedk re
@@maggiedk Well, I'd imagine if they had no idea where they are, limited food, little experience in sailing and whatnot they might have become violent, selfish or something else.
Not to defend Santiago or say he was not an idiot though.
So an edgy researcher tried to engineer social decline on an isolated raft and gets bullied instead. This sounds like a Key and Peele skit.
Yk i was thinking it had those types of comedic elements but. I couldn't think of Key and Peele till you said it lol
I can kind of see it as something that the crews from Peep Show or It's Always Sunny would stumble into inadvertently. In the former case it would definitely be Superhans' doing, and the latter would simply happen if Dennis tried to invoke "The Implication" with Dee anywhere near.
They killed him with the power of friendship
When he got to the part about the researcher reading the questions out I was just like "I would watch this sitcom" lmao
He's like a third-rate B-movie horror villain when everyone else is living in the real world
Seems a bit high brow for Key and Peele. Could see it being an Always Sunny episode like someone else mentioned. The guy is literally Dennis. He thinks he's this genius manipulator but really he's just an ass who no one likes.
He was so focused on violence in movies and sex on tv he forgot about those good old fashioned values on which we used to rely
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I had to step away from my phone to laugh 💀
Cuz he ain't a family guy
Ha ha !
The idea that Santiago planned them all to go crazy and kill each other and go at it like rabbits, and that in the end the only person they wanted to kill was HIM because he was a weird violent ass is the funniest thing I've ever heard
It wasn't even those things. The breaking point was when he got into a physical fight so he could drive them into a storm and potentially kill them.
@Socio Cynical dude did you just miss the entire reason why?
@Socio Cynical Check out game theory and how it turns out with different strategies.
@Socio Cynical Santiago, is that you? 🤣
I want a sitcom style show about this where basically everyone is living on the raft in harmony while Santiago is like pulling his hair out trying to sabotage everyone and being comically upset when nothing happens
Then at the end one of the crew-mates sits with him and starts telling him about how good the trip was, how they grew as people etc. Before patting him on the back and leaving. Nice lil send off for the show lmao
that would be hilarious
I would love that if it were real
Among us
someone please please make this
This guy helped a woman become a stronger person by acting like her abusive ex husband. What a kind man
Imagine being so bad at being the bad guy that you actually HELP PEOPLE. It's like that one ProZD sketch or something.
Bro is an actual cartoon character
@@XwX1001 he's like Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz fr
mf could accidentally cure cancer while trying to prove that all people are assholes
@@jedhraley Nah don't do Dr. Doof like that. He's actually a decent person and father unlike this smuck.
If I ever feel like humanity is cruel and hopeless, I'll think back on this. Some dude put a bunch of people on a boat so they would kill and r-word each other, but instead, they all became life-long best friends.
This whole thing reads almost like a kids book, themed around how being nice and kind to your peers is important. Santiago sounds like a Disney Villan.
That's exactly what I thought. Only part of the story that is messing is Santiago admiting his wrongs and becoming friends with everyone.
Lord of the Flies but the good ending.
I recently have been rewatching south park and this sounds like something Cartman would do , especially at the part where Santiago went people of the similar races to start getting it on.
@@foehammerent2405 the event Lord of the Flies is based on was already Lord of the Flies but the good ending
@@Gloomdrake Thank fucking Christ, Because generally, if a muse isn't better, is worse, and I don't know how much worse that story could really get
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Maria: *Throws the tree at Santiago taking into account he's dumb and she hates him*
Santiago, an empath: Ah, I believe she's upset.
LMAOO
😅😊🤣 This will make a quality example for my research methods course.
HE WAS LITTERALY THAT MEME OMFG
“From the detail of the branches, I can tell she is upset.”
Ah yes, I’m sure the detail of the branches was quite apparent when they came hurtling towards your face!
When I first read this I thought you meant an actual tree and I was very confused
Santiago was what happens when a potential cult leader doesn't have enough charisma to actually start a cult.
🤣
Aww poor guy. 🤣🤣🤣
When you spent to much points on stats that make sense:
Pfft
Big brother
As a person fascinated with science and psychology, it frustrates me to no end that Santiago is unable to comprehend that results that don’t align with the hypothesis are not bad or wrong and can still provide incredibly valuable insight. Unexpected results are still results and are still useful. I think this study is a testament of the beauty of human relationships and further exemplifies that we are an incredibly social species (regardless of the poor construction and ethical violations resulting in very insufficient empirical results with basically no generalizability). The dichotomy of Santiago frantically scribbling his “findings” into his notebook like a madman, convinced everyone on ship is about to violently attack each other, while people are working through trauma with each other and gaining new positive perspectives on life is just so funny. The entire story feels like it’s fiction, but the fact it’s real makes it all the more hilarious. Thank you for sharing, Wendigoon :)
This isn't "The sex raft", this is "The Friend-ship".
The S.S. Get-Along, mayhaps?
Hahah friend ship
Great comment
maybe the real experiment was the friends we made along the way
@@sourgreendolly7685 This, but unironically.
Santiago: *Hires professionally trained women*
Women: *Do professional things*
Santiago: "WHAT THE F"
santiago: no not like that!
“No, this isn’t how you’re supposed to play the game.”
-Santiago, probably
Santiago: S A N T I A G O *shoots everyone*
@@Celxorth I didn’t understand this but it made me laugh?
@@RoseDxoggo My best guess is he’s referring to the youtuber pamtri, who uses a robotic voice line that says “Santiago,” & puts it randomly in his videos. His content is abstract & meant to come off creepy at times, otherwise it’s just silly.
He managed to prove that humans are highly social creatures and will cooperate to solve problems. Wow incredible.
Yes and bonding creates less violence. Borders enable governments to instill false hate and violence in the people.
@@dandan6778 Humans also do ✨crime✨ borders are there to make criminals not pass. Crossing over borders ✨legally✨ is really ✨cool✨
@@jackCollin403 stop with the f**kin ✨sparkles✨.
@@ahandgrenade3640 ✨the✨ sparkles✨Bro✨
@@C_244_F ✨damnit✨
Old dude unintentionally figured out one reason drill instructors are the way they are.
When the group detests one individual, its a bonding experience.
Love that Santiago got female volunteers to do all the important jobs in order to make the men feel undermined but then gets undermined by the women who know how to sail and he just throws a fit.
I know I was thinking the whole time "why didn't he just use people that had absolutely no clue how to operate an effing boat?" I know very morbid question!
@@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo that would be a more morbid yet interesting experiment. What if 10 or so people who have little to no knowledge of sailing a boat gets to be set off to the sea, nor have leadership skills. He expects Lord of the Flies but instead got Treasure Island XD
It’s almost like mysoginist assholes assume all other guys are like them
Talk about projection, right?
@@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfoor alternatively he could’ve gone with 10 perverts
Santiago, an empath, sensing that Maria is mad at him
you almost made me spit out my soup, that's so funny
Idontgetit
Dude this made me scream laugh
its almost like people have emotions!!???
@@charlesdemers1197 it’s a meme about supposed empathetic people “sensing” very obvious emotions. Like she was clearly very mad and threw the paper at him, anyone could tell she didn’t like him, but he acted like he was so observant for recognizing her anger towards him so it’s kinda funny.
He picked people who's whole careers depend on positive social interaction and then expected them to be antisocial. And the man considered himself a genius lol..
that a good point! maybe if he selected way more introverted people, forced them to live in that tiny cabin, maybe that could have added some toxicity. But let’s be real humans are generally chill as long as basic needs are met.
Yea, however, his point was that society would devolve. So the more positive and social the more horrendous the "fallout" would have been if it did.
@@craigquann joker posits that too and is proven wrong many times. The real world proves it wrong. The only people scared of food shortages or theft are people willing to steal or not share.
Ones outlook tells you a lot about their inner world.
@@professorfukyu744 absolutely! life has shown me, people who are typical suspicious of others, should be given a short leash. trustworthy people tend to trust, or at least want to trust, others.
What we see, we tend to be.
👍✌️✊
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also by advertising the experiment as being about bringing about world peace, he basically filtered out the people who were most likely to commit violent acts
A group of men and women in a small space at sea for a long time? That's literally a modern nuclear submarine, and those aren't exactly known for sex or for violence within the crew
You could make the argument those are militarymen who underwent all sorts of training to maintain order in the sub, and laypeople would be different. But laypeople proved not different.
Most of the crew is in their late teens and early twenties; incorporating women into sub crews has caused a drastic increase of sex on board. It is casual sex for fun though, not the primal sex described in the experiment.
@@Cloud30000I mean, humans aren't the most horny animals in the world anyway, we ain't rabbits or mice. Sure we CAN have sex anytime but our sex drive isn't strong enough to need that.
@Cloud30000subs are probably older for crews as they require more intensive training to probably mid to late 20s, early 20s and teens are army
Two completely normal women: *sharing a beautiful moment about how this voyage gave them a new perspective on life and gave them more courage as people*
Santiago: Any moment now they'll kill each other.
the indomnitable human spirit
All the people on the boat: that was a cool time. Meeting new people. Doing things I never done before. Can't wait to tell my family
Santiago: oh yeah they're close, you can see the bloodlust in their eyes.
I love when he tries to come up with different words for sex
"Intermingling"
"The opposite of violence"
But then he just says "The Sex Raft"
Offspring creation
Intense cuddling
Kithfing! And rapidly mangling
Well he is quoting so i guess its ok?
Gettin freaky on a friday night yeah!
(Sorry couldnt resist)
local mad scientist ruined by the power of friendship and good vibes
literal scooby gang scenario
sounds like a generic plot for a kids show and that's what makes this even funnier
Sounds like some my little pony episode 😂
The power of friendship is real boys
Well, if you're a scientist, you really have to go above and beyond to get...attention, usually.
Sandiago at the begging of the trip: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make"
i watched that movie earlier today before watching this and i didn't even think of that lol
Santiago by the end: “Why won’t you die?!”
Literally everyone else on the boat:”Are you okay, son?!”
Santiago: “Women in positions of power will make men violent”
The men on the boat: “Hey this is great”
Santiago: "fuck you Maria, I know you're a naval officer, but *I'M* in charge here."
Men will become like how I am because I am all men!
@@akashi9667
The truest form of projection
Poor baby, he thought every man is like him :D
yep
“If it wasn’t for you meddling kids and your dumb kindness I would have the perfect research paper” - Santiago probably
"Damn those results destroying my beautiful and scientific theory!1 This experiment is obviously inconclusive"
He clearly never knew anything about research and how it even works lmao
"If only they had killed each other, my paper would have been perfect."
“Santiago probably” 😂😂😂
Ree he-he-he-he!
Imagine Santiago’s face as he looks through the questionnaires and reads his own name for “who would you kill”
No joke, he'd probably document this as his experiment working flawlessly without fail...
Even though he's just annoying the crap out of everyone else with his huddled shell of a lifestyle
😮😮😮
im just imagining like chef skinner reading the letter 😭😭
@@soupguy5243 THIS EXACTLY YES
especially with how seriously he took it-
This was supposed to be a blind study that was supposed to study human interaction between 10 people, by Santiago
This ended up being a blind study on the detrimental effects of narcissism, studying Santiago
So basically this guy created a literal tribal paradise on a gorgeous raft in the middle of a beautiful ocean full of fish, populated it with interesting people who had a variety of skills and professions, and made sure by the setup of the experiment that people would interact with each other, share stories and songs and meals and work... and expected them to randomly start murdering each other? Um... I'm thinking that says more about Santiago's mindset and view of humanity, than anyone else's.
The idiot's experiment would've probably gone more according to plan if he choose only people who had criminal backgrounds, but I think how it really would've worked out is everyone would distress on a healthy afternoon of "accidenting" him off the raft even in that scenario.
@@Ryanowning but that would simply go against the point of the experiment, as you'd be involving people who are psychologically different from the average human being, when in reality he was looking for the average human being to resort to animalistic tendencies when put in that situation. But of course, the man was an idiot and created the perfect scenario for all of them to bond and relax. You're right though, he would have 100% been the one to have been thrown overboard in that case.
@@thatmfdiego If you've ever heard stories from guys who've been in prison it's pretty clear that the result would most likely be exactly the same unless you put complete psychopaths on board.
@@voxlknight2155 or tell everyone (in private) that there’s a bounty on 2 other random people that are also gonna be on the boat, to actually give them a motivation to attack each other
@@wolfetteplays8894 which also goes against the point of the experiment
Santiago seem like the type of dude that would say “according to my calculations” when someone ask him how he makes friends.
Only 17.8% of people will be his friend
"well actually..."
@@MeekaLim he unironically watches sigma male maxxing videos
Santiago acts exactly how Toby Fox writes smart annoying characters.
such a L comment...
This is just so crazy that he gathered together a bunch of very cool sounding well balanced diverse people on a free cruise and didn't expect them to just vibe
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally picked a bunch of interoverted asexuals, but the intro ruled that out since he was targeting families lol
It sounds like he was an internet goblin going to a summer camp with a bunch of normal, well adjusted people. He’s pissed because everyone else is having fun and not putting up with his bullshit.
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People who would participate in an experiment out at sea with a bunch of strangers to help create world peace would probably be kind, moral, and extroverted people. No wonder they became great friends. 😂
I think the fact that Santiago didn’t let them bring any entertainment severely backfired on him. I get that he did it thinking they would be more inclined to do what he wanted, but it just made them so bored that they had no choice but to talk with each other and inadvertently made them closer and less likely to hurt each other. Like, mans just completely ignored that social bonds within the group make in-group violence less likely. How did he, as an anthropologist, forget that.
starting to think he might've focused too much on his violence-sex raft fantasy that he forgot how humans actually worked
Easy, bro, had a childish view of violence. He thought that because people get mad and angry that they swap hands and game end one another. But his tunnel vision and childish perspective kept him from realizing the biggest changes from the Chimpanzee experiment:
Socialization and resources
Well he was a terrible anthropologist is how. Terrible scientist too. You can’t _force_ an experiment to go the way you want. You form a hypothesis and conduct an experiment to see if it works or not. He disregarded the “or not”.
Zimbardo's generation of sex creeps thought they were better than Freud.
They weren't.
hes like if a psychopath became a therapist, bro is not fit for it at ALL
bro wanted a sex and violence boat but what he got was a friendship and group therapy boat lmao
the best part is he tried to pick women who were married and I mean dont you think if they actively had a spouse that'd make them less likely to like
@@cubsfanman-nx6pgI know right? Like if he wanted the violence and sex get people who are single. Especially teens who are into both lol I guess he thought human nature would dictate they would all be that way
It’s like the school system but reversed
@@Footwater Damn😮
Tru tho😂
and become the laughing stock of his own experiment
bravo
People joke about the power of friendship, but this is literally it. I've never heard a wholesome ending out of a social experiment.
If I had 100 points to award for the results, I'd give 90 to the captain and 9 to the priest and 1 to Santiago, the villain. Including a competent captain who knows how to lead was a huge mistake on his part.
Yeah well something could go wrong with that though you dont know what kinda people might attend it, so it would need some sort of security
Anime was right
@@captainmaim but I'm glad he did have the competent captain, otherwise there was a risk they would die at sea.
@@ggundercover3681 but his plan was to make them kill each other, so he should have expected everyone to die at sea... What a maroon.
I think he proved that small communities with a common enemy work extremely well
Santiago: If I put the women in charge and give them traditionally masculine roles, the men will get angry and fight!
The men: We chillin'.
Oh one man got angry alright, even though he came up with the idea himself
"Finally, a break"
A woman who knows more about sailing then me taking charge? I'm good this is fine.
@@michaell4187that sounds like a dream no lie
Masculine you mean male?
Santiago: "Alright this experiment is for world peace"
People: *make peace and friends with each other *
Santiago: "Listen here you little shits-"
LMAO LITERALLY
this is NOT how you are suppose to play the game
Its proof that by nature people like each other, its people in power that try to divide us
He really didn't get what actually causes violence. Jealousy and feelings of being cheated. If you were to say give some crew members more rights than others or intentionally allow bullying of some people by others such as the college prison experiment, then you'd see violence. But just people standing around together will get along because we are social creatures. He really wasn't much of a psychologist if he didn't get that.
@@thepunisher4507 Perhaps if it was Couples onboard and all the woman was smoking hot... perhaps it could trigger some hostilities. :)
santiago sounds like one of those guys who everybody hates but has so little self awareness that he assumes it's because humans are angry people by default and he's just the most calm and reasonable human alive
Everyone I meet usually ends up in a sour mood. So that must mean humans are inherently misterable
He literally made everyone want to kill him by the end because he was so unbearable to live with. Genuinely believe in an alternate universe where this was a permanent situation, they would have gone through with it.
Santiago was the grandfather of modern day Doomers.
✨️ _Narcissism_ ✨️
I guess Santiago expected The Lord of the Flies, when even when a Lord of the Flies situation did happen (bunch of kids got stranded on an island), the kids actually just got along (like on the Acali Raft).
The difference between the Lord of the Flies and the Raft is that, the resources on the Lord of the Flies island are limited, while the Raft isn't. When there isn't enough resources to share with everyone, humans will get violent. That's the one part he forgot to account. But then again, if he did make resources on the Raft limited, he would be the first one to fall as well.
@@RGC_animation Look up the Tongan castaways. Their situation was very similar to Lord of the Flies, yet they still didn't resort to violence.
Didn't Santiago ever realize that people sailed back and forth across oceans for millennia
yeah but like, they totally murdered each other along the way
@@ecyor0 Definitely.
@@ecyor0 Totally.
Maybe his assumption was that these would be preformed crews of career sailors, often majority male, with clear leadership hierarchies, that are likely from a similar background. Which is not entirely accurate historically, but he wasn't a historian.
I think ultimately his experiment proved that a more random collection of people from different backgrounds, with limited nautical experience, given a common goal can still unite as a crew. Which is still not anything particularly groundbreaking, but I guess it still makes an interesting experiment.
@@ChrisSmith-mi2zo He was an anthropologist though. He should have done his research beforehand.
Imagine if this had another movie and the trailers/promotional material portrayed it as like a violent psychological drama, but then the actual movie was a complete comedy/feel-good film that constantly shifts between Santiago's perspective with super-dramatic and tense editing and the rest of the crew which is a much more simple and mundane interactions and events.
i would love that
I would love this as a comedy where everyone's just vibing and Santiago is fuming in the background of every scene
Well we kind of had the opposite with Cabin in the Woods. I think all the promos featured the very blasé kids-die-on-a-camping-trip content but then the movie took a bit of a detour
this perspective difference is pretty much what tucker and dale vs evil is lol
A paranoid Santiago standing in a corner with red lights blaring in the dark as beasts tear open the smoking carcass of a shark, juxtaposed with relaxing lighting on a simple cookout with people smiling
This sounds like an episode of a kids cartoon where the bad guy tries to secretly manipulate the protagonists into hurting themselves only for his plans to backfire every single time
santiago has dr doofenshmirtz vibes
@@idiot4975 except doof is a good person.
@@areaxisthegurkha Doof thinks he's a villain but in reality, he's just a good guy.
For Santiago, it is the other way round.
All his inators at least work. He just doesn't use them effectively. He has very poor planning skills.
definitely some Scooby Doo villain energy
What I think is the wildest about all of this, is Santiago fully expected, and hoped, for the people to kill eachother. Then, he gets in the same boat. Did he think they wouldnt just kill him too? I mean if i had that hypothesis, i wouldnt get on the boat with the test subjects.
The funny thing is, Santiago was so dead set on proving himself right that he didn't even use the opportunity to showcase the other side of scientific experimentation. Being wrong and documenting why. Part of the fun of science is being wrong and figuring out why you were wrong. It's how new hypothesis are made. Santiago wanted everyone to act like the monkeys but didn't think "Okay so this is why they didn't." There was nothing overtly wrong with the idea of testing if humans would revert to more primal instincts if stuck in isolation for long periods of time, but he did the test outright wrong, and refused to admit it, thus devaluing any evidence of his hypothesis anyways.
Basically, the man was an idiot, had no idea how scientific experimentation works apparently, and through his desire to see blood and mayhem caused a social group to blossom and proved that humans of all types can truly get along under the right circumstances.
That's what psychology experiments are: You set out to prove or disprove your theory. People like him are prevalent in powerful society today. The euphimism is 'Nudge'.
Well, this experiment actually proves the proximity theory, when people are enclosed in closer proximity physically, socially they get closer too.
To be more specific, when people are forced next to one another, we see, hear and learn more about the other, and more we learn about one another, we see more similarities as humans together. Ultimately, we will accept people we see more similarities with.
Violence, war and discrimination occurs mainly when we don't understand one another, as we see others as different.
PS: Of course, this applies to normal healthy humans both physically and mentally. Broken people are considered outliers because of the early stage of life being introduced to many distrust and no longer able to function socially. Also minus genetic defects that affect one's social ability. eg. Psychopaths and Trisomy 21.
Yeah literally what scientific experiments are supposed to do...
@@boredhuman6512 Well, apparently Santiago didn't get the memo on that one.
@@ronsongathus9634 Dang, then why did I never exchange more than 3 words a day with my college roommates?
Honest to god, this sounds like the perfect plot to a sort of comedy film.
Also, the idea that Santiago expected all the men to have this sort of violent reaction and be angry at the idea that a woman would fix the rudder, and then refuses to let one of the women fix the rudder and gets angry about it is hilarious, lol.
I need this film now lmao
I’d never heard of this experiment, it sounds insane
its the perfect case study of projecting ones own insecurities on others
yeah, says more about him than anything else x)
It's basically an ocean road trip movie but Santiago keeps trying to turn it into a horror movie.
I love how the only hate that was generated was towards the guy running the experiment. Also, if I was on that raft I would have absolutely trolled Santiago in the questionnaires.
"Who do you want to kill"
Answer: You
@@sharplydressedrabbit3604 who would you hook up with?
ur mum
@@vaelxn What is your favorite movie?
Psycho
@@sharplydressedrabbit3604 "How would you do it? With what weapon?"
Answer: Why would I ruin the surprise?
sounds like you wouldnt have been picked out of the hundred to go on the raft in the first place
Everyone: "i tried shark today ☺️"
Santiago: "it begins 😨"
Santiago is literally Team Rocket. Every plan he ever had backfired in the most hilarious and ironic way.
don’t do team rocket like that. they’re at the very least likeable
At least Team Rocket looked good while doing so, can't say the same about the dude
@@GBlockbreaker Yo, for real! Even if their plans always fail, they often fail due to unforeseen circumstances totally outside of their control or expectations, and outside of that all their plans nevertheless are usually incredible feats of creativity and ingenuity. How many times has Team Rocket tried to catch a Pokemon, and in the process of doing so just casually create marvelous devices and technologies that could easily be worth way more than the Pokemon they're after, and could easily set them up for life?
@@thek2despot426 Jesse and James could have KILLED IT in fashion, textiles, acting, mechanical engineering, hell, they'd probably make a pair of damn good Pokemon rangers. Those two could have thrived in just about any industry other than capturing that Pikachu.
@@falconstudios146 If I remember correctly, James comes from a rich noble family. I guess petty crime is his passion
I think that a couple of things he didn't consider were that:
1) The kind of antisocial people who might behave the way he expected probably wouldn't volunteer for this kind of voyage in the first place. He'd inadvertantly created a self-selected crew of social co-operators.
2) He'd put these people into a fairly dangerous situation where they all knew that their survival depended on getting along and NOT behaving in the way he wanted them to. If he'd put them into a confined, isolated, boring, but non-risky situation, then he might have seen some more random and/or selfish behaviour.
they had lives back home...this was a trip not life it was never going to work
Man the first filter you pointed out, is one of the hardest obstacles to notice in any project modelling. I'm here pointing in my mind everything Santiago could have done wrong (aside from the obvious lmao) from a scientific point of view, and your observation was very insightful.
@@dgreegmdz Cheers! Self-selecting sample groups are almost always a problem.
That and there wasn't any real pressure put on them (and let's not gloss over than some sex did occur and they planned murder). If this had been a shipwreck lifeboat with fear, uncertainty, injuries and death, limited rations or shelter, etc things can go south fast. Add more "us vs them" friction as well.... Real life and other social experiments (including ones with humans) show that his predictions weren't bad they're just not going to get extreme when everyone volunteered, is healthy and fed, and there's a certain end in sight.
This is a big issue with psychology and why replication of classic experiments is often impossible. A good example is the Stanford prison experiment, in which they deliberately selected for people who would do the things they wanted to happen. Another good one is the Milgram experiments on obedience to authority which is obviously not as much a thing anymore now that the silent generation and zoomers are pretty damn different on that axis
Was expecting to hear a fucked up sex and horror fueled story, wound up hearing a wholesome story of friendship and unity…with one grumpy boi
True but I don't think that's the whole truth specially considering the researcher lost so many details like Edna having sex wid 2 dudes and stuff lyk that.
I am pretty sure lot more happened and ppl didn't want to talk about it cz they had to go back2their families.
@@lepenseur8242 guys look i found Santiago's kid! but fr tho, what else could have happened, especially with their relationships with each other and life after the cruise.
@@lepenseur8242 nah I mean humans are kinda boring lol
@@harrietjameson what? What r u trying 2say? Atleast articulate ur words properly
@@bombomos yea..most probably true.. but I am sure uder that superficial monotony lies a lot more.
That kinda reminds me of something.
If you try to ship koi fish, they’ll die. But by adding a piranha to the fishbowl, their survival instincts kick in and they’ll survive.
The group united so well and got along so well because the scientist was an antagonist that the other people on the boat could unite against.
In order to get along with people, you need a common enemy.
That’s just my takeaway though.
For once, I can accurately use this meme:
The real Sex Raft was the friends they made along the way
i resentfully agree, the meme is apt
Haha i always tell ppl thats what the one piece is
@@jasonisfamous6544 I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Oda said it isn't.
well done
The “kith” raft
Santiago: Have you ever tried to kill someone?
The crew: No...?
Santiago: *Would you like to?*
The crew: No...
Santiago: * fuck *
The crew: Depends on who *Stares at Santiago*
Nice Robbie Rotten reference
Santiago: “Who have you ever thought about killing?”
The crew: “You.”
Santiago: “shit.”
The captain: *take the wheel* we need someone to clean the bloody deck an feed the corpse to the fishes because we going home~😎👍
The crew: 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Santiago:🖕💀🖕
He basically sabotaged the experiment by being an antagonist to unite against. Fantastic!
that's a good TL;DR
Not am really curious how different it would've went if it was only them on the boat. They were friendly indeed, but when you don't have such a strong distraction you can team up against, things must've went differently.
@Raul-Sorin Sorban exactly. They had someone to unite against. If not, they would've bullied someone from their crowd. That's the real nature of humans unfortunately 😕
An "experiment" he tried to stack the deck beforehand, kept tampering with even when it was ongoing, and probably had no idea how he would ever make a control group.
How did this guy even remotely make it as a researcher? One of the first things we're taught about the scientific method is that you're meant to try to prove your theories to be incorrect instead of proving them correct.
What did homedude think was going to happen if his experiment worked? "Oh, yes, I tricked all these people to come on a raft with me for 100 days under false pretenses, and half of them murdered and violated the other half, just like I planned. Where's my award?"
And that's even without considering that he himself willingly got onto a murder raft that he actively believed and attempted to make into a murder raft.
also does he think that he wouldnt also be on the list of murder targets if they did?
like "whup, no no no you're not allowed to kill ME thats against the rules!" while out at international waters with like no accountability in the moment lol
Yeah i thought that too, like a typical "Oh no, it worked!"
@@lonelystarslibrary9326 Ah, that classic meme (if I could only post a pic here):
"I'm a genius! ...oh no!"
i think he thought he'd be the leader of the murdering and violating, which imo i what he REALLY wanted lol. he loved the false history of dudes murdering other dudes and violating women whenever they wanted, and wanted to be the alpha in it. but unfortunately for him, human nature and social evolution came from and IS pack bonding
He would be the first one to disappear from the raft
Omg Santiago is literally the stereotype of the cartoon villain like "these darn kids with their love and friendship are running my evil plans!"
Literally a yu gi oh villain
I accidentally clicked this video and wasn't going to watch it until I saw the guys name was Santiago. Seeing comments talking about someone with the same name as you is really strange. Especially when Santiago is an uncommon name.
I find him somewhat relateable. I think I can guess what went wrong for him.
@@Acetyl53 He was just absolutely dumb as hell, and kinda sick too. So the fact that you found him relatable says a lot of things about you.
@@simple_playz UA-cam hid your post by the way, I'll copy it here.
"He was just absolutely dumb as hell, and kinda sick too. So the fact that you found him relatable says a lot of things about you."
Did Santiago consider that if they'd move to violence, he might be the first to be attacked?
Q: Who on the raft would you want to kill?
A: Santiago. (unanimous)
Either he didn't think that far ahead or he thought he would become some kind of martyr for science, seeing how much of an ego he had.
Santiago must've been horrible. And they got as far as discussing possible methods. What if they had actually offed the guy? Then they'd REALLY have a bond!
Santiago, you have been eliminated. You are not the Survivor.
Haha
The other would supposedly compete for "fertile females" as they were all in their 20s-30s while he probably wouldn't compete with them as a 55-year-old. And he seems like an obvious narcissist.
Basically, Santiago was a messy gworl, who was there for the mess, and got disappointed that everyone else was chill.
The great irony of this experiment is that it destroyed the idea of the "objective observer." Instead of Santiago's test subjects experiencing a psychological breakdown, it was Santiago himself who snapped when things weren't going the way he had hoped.
The moral of the story here, kids: if everyone else around you seems to be perfectly sane when you expect them to lose it, the only one losing it is you.
it reminds me of a quote i heard in a polish stand up comedy, "if your child is silent in a room, its not the baby who's in trouble, it's you"
Some people are anti-social enough to pull it off. The problem would be proximity here. If you were slightly better than creepy, people would want to talk to you just to break the boredom.
THE DUNCAN PRINCIPLE!
Because he isolated himself.
I'm afraid this is my family's psychology when it comes to socialisation. Throughout the pandemic lockdown, they recollect the horror stories about their individual experiences, and I realised something about my family.
They let the experience dictate their life outlook.
I make it my ideation to marry someone outside my race, marry overseas, and never come back.
This experiment has so many fallacies that it didn't deserve to be called one. But what it definitely pointed out is that, Santiago allowed his life experiences to become him.
I will need to save money and get out of my family.
Experiment: **is about world peace**
Participants: **are at peace**
Santiago: **confused screaming**
Because war is caused by our leadership
it wasn't about world peace tho
War is never started by the people. It's the leaders wgo are at the top that starts war.
@@huh968 Santiago is that you?
@@神林しマイケル Unless it's a tribal conflict. Or if there's popular support like Afghanistan
Just told my wife about this story, and I loved the little exchange:
"Wait, if he's on the boat observing, doesn't that interfere with the experiment?"
"Oh, that is the least of the problems with this experiment..."
I shared this video with a few of my colleagues (I work in academia) and a few of my non-work friends and I made a couple of lil anecdotal observations: 1) all the academics, without fail, made some comment along the lines of 'who the hell granted ethics for this?', and 2) all of them *also* made a comment about the same thing as your wife. None of my non-academic friends did
Its not surprising, really. But i found it a bit funny that anyone who works closely with scientific research kinda has an extra layer of 'wait what' to the whole thing lol
@@cyber_rachel7427 Backing up your point, my wife is a nurse, and most of her education was planted firmly in the sciences.
@@cyber_rachel7427It’s obvious any experiment no matter social, biochemical, physical, etc should be held in a contained environment with no variables unaccounted for. If Santiago counted himself as a variable in the experiment then it’d be valid, but it seems that wasn’t his intention. So yeah, the guy was just a lunatic with no real ethics or understanding of protocol.
@@cyber_rachel7427 i thought the same. The moment you have the guy involved you already fucking up the experiment. Also the fact that monkeys and humans have different instincts and different societies, so like, how would you apply the same experiment in humans?
lol ikr. Science was not taken into account in this experiment, and Santiago might as well just be apart of the experiment as well, but if he's apart of the experiment, it taints everything and the most you can get out of it is how narcists interact when put into a position of power over others.
Average psychology major in a group of normal people
HEY we are not all like that… some of us are developmental psych
I love the irony of how he predicted everyone regressing, and going feral, but he was the only guy that got angrier and ruder
Makes it very clear that he was projecting onto them
@@nikk-named exactly. this guy needed someone to finally give him a reason to behave, how he really wants to behave.
Yes, also, IDK what kind of misguided logic led Santiago to conclude that female participants who were older and had kids were the ideal, the epitome, of female fertility and attractiveness.
As a young guy, an older woman who has already had kids with other men is rather not attractive, ESPECIALLY if I am looking for a deep, long-term relationship.
@@DrPepper-iy7vv Probably projected a milf fetish based and justified it with those monkey experiments, considering how he projected his entire mental decline.
I think their friendship might have come so strongly from a coordinated hate on him
"Aren't you tired of being nice?"
"Don't you just wanna go apeshit?"
-Probably Santiago
No
The other people
This seems like something samonella academy would say
So, Santiago invented modern reality TV? Clearly he hadn't figured out that he needed a good editor, unscrupulous writers, and nonsense mini-games.
He created like..actual reality too, where the people act like actual people.
Don't forget the secret sauce, reality shows are notorious for giving out unlimited alcohol to keep everyone as drunk as possible
Sadistic producer too
Also gotta love the fact Santiago felt he wouldn’t have a problem with turning primal but everyone else will.
I think I found even more plot holes in Santiago’s plan
1. How was he going to stop himself from becoming a feral himself? Did he have a plan to keep what little sanity he had, or did he just decide he was built different?
2. If he didn’t become feral, how was he going to keep himself from being killed? I don’t think he had any self defense training mentioned. Seriously, this guy gave himself the thickest plot armor.
3. Let’s assume the experiment went as planned, and they became violent and murderous. Was he planning on just releasing them into the world after? No rehabilitation or therapy, just ‘I turned these people into murderous savages, good luck lol’ like what was the plan there??
Because he was a narcissistic control freak. Those things clearly didn't cross his mind, he knew he'd maintain control.
I mean, guy comes across as obscenely pretentious. I don't think he sat down to think about the potential holes in his magnum opus.
Also, given he put women in charge with the hope that the men would get jealous and become violent - his whole aim was to get the men to attack the women?!
Nice profile pic dude 👀
@@ellipszilonq Likewise, bud
funny how he kept saying the purpose was "for world peace" and ultimately everyone ended up actually becoming best friends.
So, does the mean that actually he faked to be evil and actually wanted to spread a message that everyone is same and can live with eachother peacefully?
So we can achieve world peace by getting random people on boats for 3 months
@@jackmcmorrow that's going to take a while if you want to do it with all the world population
@@jackmcmorrow you have to also have one specific guy thats so evil everyone else wants him dead and then everyone will band together to become allies
edit: this sounds like the setup to a world war..
@@smoot2337 that’s the plot of watchmen
Ironically, he Freuded his experiment. Freud is mostly known for his "deep sexual subconscious perversions" theories, when in fact... Freud was just elaborating on his own deep sexual subconscious perversions. The therapist is so biased that they truly believe that every human being has their same psychological profile. Santiago LITERALLY created an environment to break himself, under the false assumption that everyone is like him, and so became the only one that broke.
When I was a psychology student, my professor stated that an absurdly large percentage of psychology majors that pursue the career, do so simply because they feel lost in their own psychological issues and want answers. It's rare to find true observant psychologists that don't project their own psychological profile into their theories. Fascinating story though! Thank you for digging it up and sharing it with us! 😊
Damn that's a good way of putting it
Damn schooled me. Nice
I totally believe that Second part. Hell I've thought about going into psychology for that exact reason
Damn thats a very educated and elaborate comment, I loved this Eden!
Very insightfull comment, thank you for that. But one question remains, did you become a true observant psychologists?
As an autistic person, I think the fact that an educated researcher guy in his 50s is worse at social interaction than I am is hilarious
There is a chance that he might of been autistic, like maybe the science behind violence was his special interest, and he has issues understanding social situation, which explains his weird analysis of the results. Idk for sure tho, probably not.
Santiago: "if you were to kill someone who would it be?"
Whole crew in unison: "you"
By the end of the experiment, yes.
Santiago: “I’m gonna organize a boat trip and see if everyone else goes insane, but I’ll be perfectly okay!”
Also Santiago: Is the only one that goes insane.
He was the only one who didn't interact socially with the others, he was the only one who went insane.
He was a narsassistic creep
Plot twist: Santiago was already insane.
definitely
He didn't go insane. He was insane beforehand.
This experiment only taught me that world peace can only be achieved if there’s a 50-year-old man staring at you with a notepad. And/or a common enemy whatever comes first.
10/10 comment
Honestly yeah
You just described the realistic image of a Boss/Manager.
it's the phenomenon of two very different people managing to get along in school because they both despise a teacher. beautiful.
If I tell you people exactly how accurate y’all’s comments are, I would probably lose my job and/or bank account
The experiment shows that human nature is pretty wholesome sometimes, and people will work together
I think Santiago sharing people's questionnaires with the group backfired not just because everyone naturally liked each other, but remember, they still didn't know the true purpose of the experiment. To them, the experiment was about building world peace. I'm sure many of them saw this as a test of that. "Can I sow the seeds of distrust and prove that world peace is impossible?", and the participants are likely thinking "this is a test, I shouldn't give in to anger and distrust".
Tbh a lot of this came from him having an old-world anthropology background instead of modern psychology. Unproven theoretical concepts. That's why experiments like the Stanford Prison experiment, Millgram authority experiment, bystander experiments, "rat park" etc. turn out very different. Keeping people in the dark about experimental purpose is pretty standard. But _"World peace"_ is a pretty obvious lie, when your surveys blatantly ask if you want to kill anyone.
E.g. Choosing married 'fertile' women was arbitrary. Why not single (and "ready to mingle")? Also, sure equal representation is important in large scale statistical studies, but how 'natural' is it to have a medley of world travelers with little common ground, and novel stories to share? How would it have differed from having all the same national (if not cultural) context? Or groups with pre-existing racial tensions at stake.
Yes, authority is a major source of conflict, but why did he decide that male-female friction was that much more important than friction between allegedly 'alpha' males? Or those from different social classes? And *_most importantly,_* why did he focus on boredom, rather than scarcity, as the far more typical prelude to conflict? Ample food and a common goal - those are not the usual triggers for war. It's unethical to create a crisis - but that's exactly what sparks the problems he wanted to see, just like the storm + mutiny lead to.
It's not like I would want his experiment to "succeed". But he set out to research something, and many of his decisions seem arbitrarily based on abstract old theories. Most of the 1930s-1940s sociology he studied as an undergrad were just random guesses about human behaviour,. E.g. We were just coming out of Freudian Oedipus theories, and scientific racism ("blacks are unevolved") - which you can hear in how he antagonized poor Fay :(
@@37thraven My boy Fay deserved so much better lol
I hope he and the crew are ok today :)
@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. Fé is a woman and this experiment was like half a century ago, theyre fine
@@realmothchu Who's Fé?
@@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit. the black woman that santiago antagonized
You know, for a guy who's such a control freak, he sure didn't bother to put together a control group.
He wasn't a *_smart_* control freak.
Even for a layman like me it seems the experiment was shitty to begin with. Im not sure how the University even approved of it in the beginning.
@@Valkbg I had the same thought. To hell with the scientific method. He attempted to taint the data at every turn to prove the theory instead of objectively gathering data and coming to a different conclusion disproving the theory.
A shitty person AND a shitty scientist.
@@Valkbg they got sucked up in Santiago's own hype
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!
The guy completely missed the obvious fact that a bunch of random animals jammed into a cage are socially completely unlike a group of humans who voluntarily get on to a small but reasonably comfortable boat.
Plot twist, human beings are evolved to be more social then the species of monkey he was going off, who would have thought a species that evolved in small groups working together in trying times and typically outcasting those who don’t cooperate and be kind to others, which had spent most of its history in this state, would mostly have individuals who get along in trying times where a small group needs to cooperate? This guy was amusingly out of touch with his own kind
we didn't evolve from monkeys or apes for that matter. that's just effing stupid....
So we need a control group of completely random people chosen against their will.
@delilah mae are you sure there's evidence enough where using the scientific method there could be no other possibilities or conclusions or explanations that maybe even has less leaps of logic needed to hold it's theory up for whoever wants to have a look for themselves...? after all, it seems most people forget how evolution itself is just another yet to be proven theory , like most of our modern day science...
@@PopcornMax179 To create a situation actually comparable to the monkey jammed in a cage, yes. And they'd need to be stuffed into a prison cell instead of on a boat.
Actually, we HAVE that situation, in real prisons, except we do our damnedest to keep them gender segregated since we know what happens when we don't. We get similar problems when we do, but usually not as badly. And yes, we get a lot of violence, although it's not clear if we're getting a lot of violence because we're stuffing (not entirely random) people into cages or because the people we stuff into these cages are disproportionately those already likely to use violence, since having already used violence to get your way is one of the things we'll stuff you in the cage for.
It also occurs to me that many monkey species are a LOT more violent than humans are to begin with. If you compare the amount of violence that the group leaders among chimps carry out to the amount of violence that leaders of small groups of humans carry out, chimps are WAY more violent than most humans. For at least the last 50 000 years, since modern linguistic capabilities arose in humans, the kind of violence that makes a chimp the absolute master of the band of chimps has, among humans, been an excellent way to get murdered in your sleep by a small group of betas who are angry at how you treat them and theirs, and know how to walk quietly while carrying large rocks.
The sharks were probably following the boat to eat anything edible that went overboard. Sharks often do this with fishing vessels. The sharks might have also been following the boat to eat any fish that might have been hanging out around the boat.
Congrats, Santiago! You "discovered" that humans, a social species, bond together and form communities whenever they can to help eachother and not be lonely. Too bad we already knew that since pretty much always.
checkmate misanthropes
tbh lots of pessimistic people genuinly believe we're just wild animals who wait for our opportunity to strike
@darkcat sadly those people end up being political leaders
@@darkcat6530 It is not black and white like this. While people don't act like "wild animals" just because, most if not all humans are capable of doing bad things under certain circumstances, and even though those circumstances must have been something really extreme for most of us, there are psychopaths and sociopaths around....
This is kinda adorable lol
Santiago: “They don’t know I’m secretly trying to achieve world peace”
"Yeah we do"
"You never stop talking about it"
Sam Hyde moment
indeed
"They don't know that they secretly want to kill each other and have sex"
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Everyone on the raft: "Shark meat, yum"
Santiago in his journal: "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! SKULLS FOR HIS SKULL THRONE!!!!!"
It like Santiago was a 14 year old wattpad user writing this
sAnTIaGo iS A TeCHnO kINniE cONfIrMed???
@@stephaniejanong4146 a techno stan? Heresy
HERESY!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!
Santiago techno kinnie confirmed
This guy was a literal Saturday morning cartoon villain. "YOU AWFUL KIDS AND YOUR 'FRIENDSHIP'!"
The whole shark thing is hilarious to me. These people are like "Oh hey, we caught a shark, toss it on the grill," and this creepy old man is acting like this is the most violent, psychotic thing he's ever seen. The sheer mundanity of eating a fish.
I mean a shark is not the usual kind of fish to be eating (afaik) but still not what he was making it out to be lol
edit: Okay I get it, people eat shark. Chill lol
@@LilacMonarch I mean it was already dead so it was either eat it or throw it away
@@hatefulgaming1800 you dont just waste good shark like that!
“Holy shit! you mean… you people are eating to survive?!? what kind of fucking monsters are you!!”
@@LilacMonarch Icelandic people eat them.
Expressed goal: world peace
Secret goal: primal violence
Result: world peace
Nailed it
Experiment failed successfully
Sooooo for us to eventually reach World peace is to have 1 scientist that will carry the weight of the brunt of the hatred of every other person in the world for 100 days.....this means that this New-Santiago-like-scientist will actually become the savior of humankind thus an ultimate hero,
Nice story arc.. i think there is a movie script hiding in (t)here.
@@wallyslow every *hero* needs a _Villain_ , and our villain as a collective shall be santiago!
Note: i said Hero & Villain and not Protagonist & Antagonist *intentionally* , because a hero *has* to be the good guy, whereas a protagonist can be the bad guy
Santiago: *confused screaming*
The world need santiago.
I find it rather ironic how Santiago, who was so obsessed with getting results, was completely blind to the actual results the study yielded, which are actually pretty profound. All of these people were from completely different backgrounds, different culture, and yet, given the chance, they were all able to form strong connections and experienced incredible self discovery. How is this experience anything but an intense reminder of how powerful relationships truly are? How are these results a failure? Santiago was just so occupied with his proving his hypothesis that he forgot that disproving your hypothesis is just as meaningful in science, completely missing the incredibly moving results his research ultimately yielded despite his interference
He made the biggest mistake that scientists are not supposed to make. He came to a conclusion first, then tried to find evidence to support what he already believed.
@@jupitersnoot4915 dude switched up hypothesis and conclusion
@@almerosepwanzaky6342 lol, that's what we actually did in our research. We were relieved that we're right or else we gonna do the whole project again. xd
i was coming here to comment that! if he wasn’t such an dickhead and a biased narrator this could’ve actually been an amazing study
I think the most interesting part of this is was the nature of communication and how pivotal It is in our society, there were problems with stealing food and problems with early distrust and mild aggression
However communication was the key difference. I would be interested in a (more humane, cause wtf) study where there is a language barrier.
What the nature of humans are when we can't communicate. Do we create new methods, do we teach what we know to each other, or would we be aggressive, hormonal monkeys?
The real experiment seem to be how a group of strangers managed to deal with an idiot.
Santiago: “This is to create world peace.”
**creates peace**
Santiago: 😐
LMAO
SHSHSUJJ LMFAOO
I was thinking *Suprised Pikachu Face*
Proof that you can lie and still tell the truth
Yep, that is the irony of the whole experiment. It gave a "roadmap" to how to create world peace.
This is such a weirdly positive and wholesome story. Sometimes humans just refuse to be terrible
There's some good in the world!
It’s really nice to hear considering how shitty people can seem
Most of the time that's why we're still alive
Pretty wholesome. Several people conspire to cheat on spouses, girlfriends and boyfriends. Family movie shit there.
And sometimes they don’t lol
the irony that Santiago’s goal was to prove that humans are like animals, just to have the experiment show that humans are not animals! It’s honestly kind of beautiful that people from all over the world with different backgrounds and beliefs could get along so well and become so close!
Honestly it looks like they did act like animals- *bonobos* instead of chimps, just not quite as much boning.
Humans are animals that’s literally a fact. Do you think we’re aliens or some shit?
@@woahthere7895 aliens are animals too 😂
What do you mean by animal in that case?
@@cavernadofilme5651 frankly they are not