Drinker's Chasers - She-Hulk Episode 6 Is Sheer Abuse
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- I don't know how they do it, but somehow the makers of She-Hulk manage to make each new episode even worse than the last. And Episode 6 may just be one of the most pointless, depressing 30 minutes of TV we've ever seen.
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A lot of MCU shows are openly misandrist, but the intense, in-your-face, BLATANT man-hating in this show is just insane.
Disney “it’s okay when women do it”
Marxist plot proceeding as planned
Wait till the New Cap says how awful white people are
@@cosmictreason2242 Marxist?
Well here you are proving why this show needs to exist. lol
"This show is practically a war crime."
That should be a quote on the collector's edition DVD.
The most truthful description of this thing!
It probably fits the definition of a "non-crime hate incident" in England.
Collector's edition? Nobody wants to collect this.
Hater's Edition, on the other hand...
Who'd buy it? No one with good taste for sure.
@@rickswordfire4774 💯💯💯
"...crazy cat ladies having therapy sessions with other people's money."
I will still be laughing about that tomorrow.
they are not needing therapy its the commentors above that are denial about the power these women have in the disney/corporate hiearchy, they just hate men and are powerful enough to put that into the tv shows they control
That’s hilarious 😂
@@gobblelevclass3nuclearsubm393 I've seen what the writers look like, and I can guess why they hate men.
@@gobblelevclass3nuclearsubm393 I suspect that most people don't know what is happening in the country in general, when it comes to women and power. Women keep playing the oppressed minority card, and people keep falling for it. One great example: check out who is really orchestrating our potentially suicidal Ukraine policy. Perhaps we need to think less about testosterone poisoning and more about toxic estrogen.
It's up there Rageaholics burn about ROP "I'm not saying this show is a glorified laundering operation, but Amazon's new spokesman is f**king Snuggles".
The gut wrenching disappointment on their faces when they realize She Hulk is 9 or 10 episodes long had me on the floor 😂
I think they're worrying about Stockholm syndrome by that point.
got a timecode?
@@NoahGooder 5:00
@@WayStedYou thanks I also feel that moment deserves the simpsons soul leaving the body meme.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN 7 SEASONS?!
"The writers don't care, why should we". Well said.
This show feels like it was written by people who never left high school.
It's written by women...
They don't actually want to SOLVE problems... they just want to complain about them.
Yes. Juvenile attempts at depth and character.
High school?
*Tumblr
@@ericpode6095 High school?
I’m trying to think of something good to say about She Hulk but it’s just not twerking.
Ostrich from family guy laugh.
BOOM BOOOM 😆
😆
That was cheeky of you
Wow
'You have not seen the things I have seen!' Drinker while watching She Hulk.
The writer who wrote that line has never seen anything.
Sounds like something she would say to Daredevil to be honest
"Well I've seen my fair share."
Best part about that video is Guyladriel turns green for a bit.
@@therealistintheboot8822 you have NOT SEEN what I'VE SEEN! 😡
They really do make a joke out of alcoholism in this show. She binge drinks, hobby drinks, and drinks herself to bed and rather than learning a lesson about it she is given free reign to drink indefinitely because her hulk form sobers her up so she can go back to drinking. It enables her and even glorifies it
She is a lawyer, to be fair
@Avin Kavish I think it's setting a lot of bad precedents
That tells me the writers *love* to drink too.🍷
@@liamphibia except, the characters don't have to be writer's inserts.
I agree with the friend objecting to Jen Walters showing up at a wedding as She-Hulk.
The rule is simple; never ever never outshine the bride.
Yeah, that is pretty F'd up
I think the writers played themselves. In the quest to make Jen a strong independent woman they made Jen a narcissistic career woman with unrealistic dating expectations and as a result she is lonely and insecure, which kind of ironically reenforces the old gender roles.
It's even worse than that. By making Jen so strident and assertive, they left themselves no room to contrast her with her Hulk-form. The most interesting thing about a Jekyll&Hyde type character is in the differences in personality and the conflict that creates, but they dumped all that at the outset by giving Jen complete control over her hulk form with no change in her personality whatsoever. It's basically just a supersuit she can switch on and off. It's the most boring and uncreative take they could have had on this sort of shape-shifting power.
@@AliRadicali Hell, even having the base Jen personality be significantly meeker lends itself to that sort of idea (literally, even, as the original Jekyll&Hyde was more like a chemical-induced disguise than an actual transformation).
Make the change in personality not an inherent property of the transformation but a by-product of being able to be a conventionally hot, basically indestructible green amazon and thus be the sort of person who can get away with lashing out more often. (You know, LIKE HOW IT IS IN THE DAMN COMICS), and you have a borderline perfect recipe for a story about the corruptive nature of gaining too much power too fast.
And then you can have a freaking ARC as Jen realizes how she's actively turning herself into the monster Bruce was always scared the Hulk could be and you have something INTERESTING!
@@connorcampbell-bisson8721 Personally I would play up the contrast in character, especially early on: Have Jen be incredibly shy, meek and mousey, and have her become incredibly self-confident, assertive and hyper-sexual once she gets accustomed to her hulk-form.
I wouldn't specify anything, but I'd certainly imply that She-hulk is more emotional and impulsive than Jen. As to whether her confidence is genetic or social, I think that's better left to the imagination of the audience.
With this stark contrast and a downtrodden jen at the start, you can have an arc where she initially only sees the positives in being a hulk and refuses to turn back, only to later come to realise the good traits she'd had all along as Jen: Patience, responsibility, empathy, humility and a good work ethic.
Towards the end you could have both personalities become less extreme, balancing out the other: Jen more confident, She-hulk less impulsive, Yin and Yang, that sort of thing.
@@AliRadicali
Dude, that's seriously great but the basic problem you're overlooking is that the current panel of female writers for She-Hulk: Attorney At Law all SUCK, are incompetent and cannot form a coherent story even though they all were in a room together and literally paid to do so.
She-Hulk needs a remake but due to the fact that Disney is holding the reins, even a remake would be reduced to WOKE nonsense.
I have given up on both Disney and the M-She-U with a complete and utter vote of no confidence.
@@teamexpress851 I'm not overlooking that problem, I'm pointing it out. The show is inexcusably bad, even if we give the writers every undeserved benefit of the doubt.
Not all heroes wear capes. Hats off to you fellows for subjecting yourselves to this so we don't have to.
Same here.
@beyond your imagination The latest incarnation of the Rick Roll.
As for She Hulk, Thomas Benjamin Wild Says it best: ua-cam.com/video/TXK03FHVsHk/v-deo.html
I'm not going NEAR this garbage...
Proud of it!
What Drinker was describing I felt on episode 2 and that’s when I had to drop it.
It was the scene where she visited her family and I just felt like I was being forced to watch this and I had to get up and walk around my house. Idk. Idk if it was like a panic attack or something but I’ve Never felt that way watching a show.
No kidding, i thpught the same. i had a hard time watching ep 5 of rings of power (even skipping through 70% of the episode), i cant even imagine watching this.
I'm sure most people could mash together something better in 10 minutes than any of these so called writers could manage in a life time.
Yes indeed, I do it regularly on the throne 💩
Can confirm; I literally shat out several; effortless, intentionally bad, Steven universe hate fanfics.
NONE of them, were as bad as she-hulk.
Sequel to Dog Soldiers.
@@FatherAndrew-Scarlet-Priest
No that's not fair. You're a normal person with a sign of properly functional brain. These "writers" is truly "something else", so it's not fair to compare them with you.
I think the four chaps on this UA-cam video just did. :)
The writers of She-Hulk: We cant do courtroom drama and legal proceedings.
The audience: What is it that you think you CAN do? What, in your minds, is the 'good' part of any of this?
they've also said, that they don't know how to handle CGI in their writing or something like that. plus they're extremely unfunny, that's a fact. so pretty much we have a bunch of female writers, who don't know how to write courtroom drama and legal proceedings, or how to implement/handle CGI or how to be funny, but were specifically hired to write a comedy show about "she-hulk", a CGI-character and attorney at law. i mean, wtf, you literally can't make that shit up. it's absolutely mind boggling, how something like this can happen at a company, which is worth almost 200 billion dollar. disney definitely deserves to go bunkrupt, f*ck that shithole of a company. 😂
@@mrloqqe1610 At some point, companies like EA will just create products for the sake of creating products even though they are totally devoid of any kind of merit.
Well they obviously can't do action. Neither can they do a gripping storyline. They can't even do comedy right, and their sitcom attempt falls flat because they're unable to write an ensemble of decently interesting characters. So... I guess the only thing they're good at is writing random wish fulfillment scenes.
I have never heard of a show where the head writers admitted they do not understand nor care for one of the most foundational things on the whole show before. But they did it lol
@@timreeves7963 not one, but two! And then the CGI, which they should've known they would need.
13:55 Disparu hits on the major issue I've had with the direction society at large is going here. I saw it all the time in school. "You don't need to change", "you're unique", "people need to appreciate our different qualities", "you're perfect just the way you are", etc. Just a bunch of messages that never teach people how to cope, how to adapt, how to change themselves for the better, just the total enabling of selfishness, entitlement and the idea that the world needs to change to cater to your needs. No! That's not how real life works. That's not ever how it should work. You aren't owed anything, you need to work hard just like everyone else does. Once upon a time, you couldn't survive with a mindset like that, but so much ground has been lost to this attitude that now we're dealing with a generation of people that genuinely think this is the right way to be.
Absolutely and utterly spot on. I just can't believe how this is a widely accepted stance now, that you don't need to change and improve yourself but instead accept yourself being a zero. It's toxic, degrading and ultimately dangerous. It encourages bad behaviour, selfishness and entitlement.
What you say is very true, but you may overlook that what you describe is the male life ethos / societal framework. 95% of women expect men to display that "toughness / adaptabilt" but latest after age 25 - College education + 3 years most women and too many post-millenial men subscribe to "aristocratic loftiness" with each year more raising their expectation of entitlement. Life on a silber platter is what they want.
@@privatesmith1560 This attitude is without gender, you will find it in every walk of life, among every type of person. It's just how people have been brought up to be recently and it's completely unsustainable. Learning to deal with the harshness of reality and work to find the good parts is just part of a life. That's always been the way, since our days as apes. Modern society has only enabled the worst aspects of people, by providing them with far too much comfort. Why? Because it makes them stupid and easier to direct. That's why Hollywood and other industries like gaming have been taking advantage of it. We've bred a generation of stupid, spoiled brats. No man or woman or elephant with pink polka dots about it.
The thing is: if you think the world need to be changed, do it yourself (or find people to do it together with you) and don't expect others to change for you.
@@shauhame6364 But you see, if they have to take the reins, 1) that requires effort, which they obviously don't want to contribute and 2) that means taking personal responsibility for the things you do, which they're entire averse to. Accountability and work are not two things people with this mindset appreciate, which is why they force others to make the changes for them.
That was the FIRST GENUINE LAUGH I got from this show. When the guy just couldn't take the women bickering and jumped RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW!
And they said they don't know how to write 'legal/court' stuff, so I guess they just thought it would be funny to go the completely ABSURD route?
It was meant to mock men but I just thought "I'd do the same if I were you, buddy"
Safe to say that those five year olds don't have a lot of world experience to do the job right.
That was the first thing in this series I could relate to. A few years ago a guy was going round a shopping centre, I believe in China, and after hours of meaningless meandering she told him she just wanted to go back to the first shop they went in... He jumped from the 6th floor balcony. Totally understand that.
If the roles were reversed. They would explode.
But it's ok for them to write when the male side is the one being abused by the opposite gender verbally mocking them in the show.
Like how they did it with The Hulk (* cough cough * correction * Smart Hulk ).
@@Beastinvader even without having the immortality power
When Disparu says he's hoping for "some kind of plot" the first thought through my head was, "You're expecting WAY too much from modern writers to have that much foresight." followed by Drinker's wildly optimistic line. I laughed.
There is still really good stuff out there it's just becoming few and far between!
@@jdogg448 The only good show recently is The Cuphead Show lmao, and that’s not even disney
@@dryfox11 never heard of that lol, severance and better call Saul are both excellent.
Honestly, it's wild how consistently bad woke storytellers are at telling a basic story. Things just happen in a linear sequence, as if the script were churned out by some AI. Almost all scenes just exist to lead to the next scene; there's no higher purpose to them in the grand narrative.
*modern f3minist writers
There I fixed it
I'm pretty sure it's a real life version of "Single Female Lawyer" from Futurama and is single-handedly stopping the Omicrons from destroying us all.
More like they're gearing up to wipe us out.
@@UKDavid999 "Single female lawyer - having lots of sex".
"Prosecutor Ramirez, your witness"
*Zoidberg* "Grrracias"
Maybe Fry and Bender should've wrote and directed She-Hulk lol
Maybe it will next millenium.
Then again, it's on the Internet, not the airwaves.
Mr. Immortal is a guy who in the comics lost his parents then got abused by his foster family, fell in love with another person in his foster family who was getting abused too, they started a life together and she killed herself due to PTSD from the abuse after what he ended up in a deep state of depression and tried to kill himself over and over but couldn't because he's immortal before trying to help others with his superpower despite it not being very useful in a fight.
So She-hulk took that guy and turned him into a strawman of husbands who leave their wife without a word. The more time passes the more I think the MCU purposefully disregard characters who suffer from mental illness, it's the second time in a show where I've been appalled by their utter disregard of the subject.
Historically, humans haven’t had much sympathy for those who suffer from mental illnesses. Most people, I feel, only see how someone’s problems affect them, not the person who’s suffering.
I mostly remember him through Wade Wilson abusing him in the Joe Kelly and Daniel Way runs of Deadpool.
Man that would have made for a perfect Segway for the marriage issues! Could have delved into Mr immortal feeling like he doesn't deserve a happy marriage or something after his troubled upkeeping so keeps finding ways to escape the partnerships.
Instead, it was "LOL deadbeat husband BAD amiright ladies??? 🤪🤪🤪"
@@isaaclopez-cordell243 ...but that was the point, not to excuse men's bad behavior. I keep seeing these comments here and it's like, do you guys understand what show you're watching?
On the contrary, they support and promote a deeply miserable narcissistic loser as they push that lifestyle ad idealistic for young women.
Though I get what you mean. Mentally deranged people often try to normalise their own illness since they lack the strength to identify it and go sort themselves out
"The writers have never gone on an arc themselves." BINGO! One of the first things they tell you in creative writing courses is "write what you know". So with She-Hulk what you are seeing is a snapshot of what these writers know.
Exactly, we’re in a time of great entitlement, selfishness, attention addiction, and superficial judgement. Struggling to these people is getting the wrong coffee, being misgendered, hearing someone having a different opinion, being unable to afford a luxury, struggling with relationships while being ruled by emotion, or other people failing to recognize their greatness
@@Soupsandwhich99 i find the tinder parts so telling about them.
No, because they don’t know what getting a date is like
“It’s not even failing to achieve a point because there isn’t a point for it to miss.” I’m liking Little Platoon more and more cuz that was goddamn poetic.
He is great,plus his voice rivals maulers.
Check his channel he's a riot
At this point I would appreciate it if one of these woke entertainment vehicles were able to convey its message through storytelling, rather than overtly spelling it out for the audience scene by scene. That would be such a leap forwards.
@@italianspiderman5012 He might not be as long of a longman but he sure is speedy with the uploads.
@@hughmongus6959 oh yeah for sure I was already subbed before he started joining Drinker and Mauler, love his vids
Not even a massage from Tatiana and a bottle of Toilet Duck could save Drinker from this travesty.
Your gonna need more than just a simple bottle of duck bleach for that; Your gonna need pure fluoroantimonic acid to even begin touching this literal war crime.
If Tatiana can't pull the Drinker through a mess you know the situation's dire.
I think we all need a bottle of Toilet duck. Different flavours too.
@@GabedalfTheWhite Ikr? My favorite is Mountain Spring.
Wash it down with some tide pods?
These writers dance around and sing WAP while they’re writing. So strong, so brave.
The likelihood of this being true is very high
????
It's a good song.
Stunning too
Brave, would be an interested partner after witnessing the WAP Twerk.
I actually think episode 6 is a perfect example of how scared the writers are of giving Jen/She-Hulk any form of resistance or consequence.
You have Jen showing up like She-Hulk, so her friend is pissed. Understandable, she's stealing attention. Then Titania shows up and starts a fight, but gets bodied the second Jen turns into She-Hulk. Didn't even break a sweat. In fact, Titania bodies herself, so it's not even a win for Jen. Then the friend, who should be pissed that she turned again, is just a fan. So not a single consequence in the entire episode.
It's actually kind of impressive how little conflict there is in this show.
The writers did it that way so no one get triggered.
@@MinimalObzerver I'm triggered
"Use what's she's got for her own advantages, but wants all the praise she didn't earn" Nail on the Head.
“How was this allowed to happen?”
Best comment EVER.
When Drinker said that I almost fell off my chair I laughed so hard.
Because theyre getting the money from parents who are spending money so their kids can watch Beauty and the Beast... Theb they use that money on this. They. Lose. Nothing. In making "the message" shows.
This show is an entire coping therapy for the writers.
I was thinking that, like they are pushing this fake front
You forgot the inverted commas "" ""
Who copes harder, these writers or Russian shills about Ukraine?
If you met the new breed of writerz, it will not take long to figure out why they have put them on the ground floor and still bolted the windows shut....
@Johnny Smith u wot? What ‘projecting’ in asking a this or that question?
Also,
Spider-man: With great power comes great responsibility
She-hulk: With great power I get a nice job, get laid and can lord over my 'friends'.
She hulk is misandrist and demeaning to men imagine if a man had written it
Tbf the getting laid part is accurate to her comic book self
@@venturatheace1 yes, but the entitlement afterwards?
"Oh he just wanted me for she-hulk, AFTER I USED SHE-HULK TO ATTRACT HIM!"
I feel like Jen showing up as she-hulk to a wedding is almost the same as showing up in a wedding dress
I struggle writing female protagonists but this show tells me exactly what not to do. 10/10 for that
" I start with a man, then I remove reason and accountability. "
- Jack Nicholson
@@andrewthorsten3809 Beat me to it... XD
In my opinion there's two issues with most female protagonists recently. One is the "Mary Sue" they do everything right with almost or no flaws. Everything revolves around them but barely has to work for it. Example-Rey Skywalker. Oh god saying Skywalker makes me pissed. Ray nobody. Ray Palapatine whatever. The other issue is a certain kind of woman writing themselves and SJWness and their sad lives. I think the key to writing woman characters is making them imperfect, have struggles, still be bad ass, have growth. Basically everything for a man, but with some femininity.
@@3ericw Yeah thats a great synopsis, it reminded me a lot of Noelle from Black Clover and Eris from Jobless reincarnation and they're phenomenally written
It is easy to write females; just think of a man and take away reason and accountability
Best description ever, “just a bunch of cat ladies having a group session in a tv show!” LMFAO! Yup. That’s it.
This is one of the best things I've ever heard.
That’s how I described the show to a friend, ”it was written by a bunch of 40 year old crazy cat ladies”
What if the writers are watching to get ideas to fix their show?
@@MyEvilTaco I want Edward Norton back as hulk he was awesome
It's a real shame, because, Jennifer Walters/She-Hulk is actually a fun character in the comics and the cartoons she's been in. In this show she just comes off as insufferable.
Such a missed opportunity. I honestly think that diversity Disney COULD have lulled it off
Who knew she was NOT Galadriel's sister?
Even if they had to take this in a feminist direction, because of course they had to, it's 2022, they still could have told an intelligent story that challenges the main character's values and world-view. They had the perfect setup for a show that explores the conflict/contradictions within feminism around using sex appeal to get ahead. On the one hand you have shy, mousey Jen, who could be somewhat jealous and resentful of confident, beautiful women who use their looks to get ahead. Well, what would she do if she suddenly has access to that same confidence and beauty, would she stick to her principles? Would she bend the rules for herself? Would she find out that perhaps it's not as simple and black-and-white as she first thought?
Even within the narrow confines of feminist ideology there still could have been room to tell an interesting story that challenges the hero and the audience. Instead Jen has to be such a girlboss that there's basically no contrast between her human and hulk forms, the latter is just big, green and made of horrible CGI.
The whole point of a Jekyll/Hyde type character is to explore the differences and similarities between the two. She-hulk might as well be a costume to Jen. What a waste.
Because the writers self inserts themselves into She-Hulk.
That explains all the bad writing and bad handling of the characters in the show that only complains about society, relationships, etc. rather than doing any real hero work like a Superhero would do.
@@AliRadicali Screw all of that: Make it actually funny! Lean into the nonsense!
Make She-Hulk a wacky courtroom show about Marvel powers affecting society and civilians. I want to see the trial between London vs Stark-Industries after Far From Home. Or how maybe even a touching trial of the Vulture explaining why he did what he did in front of his wife and daughter.
Then you can contrast that with wacky interactions, by completely leaning into the amazon-snu-snu stuff. Have She-Hulk go on Tinder, pick up some dude like a puppet and have the guy run out because his ego's hurt. There you have some soft commentary, but without going borderline predatorial on in.
OH, the most important thing I would change: She-Hulk can't transform back. She's now stuck in Hulk-Form forever.
"This shite that nobody is ever gonna find entertaining"
I find it entertaining, for about half an hour every week I get to watch you guys tear it apart, thats very entertaining!
The reaction of everyone on the panel when the realization hits that it's 9 episodes is just gold. Then it turns to sadness cause now it hits me that this show is 9 episodes in total. This video says more in 22 mins than what She-Hulk has.
I am just frustrated that we are 2/3 done and nothing is happening.
@@luhedi6303 why are you losers watching this
Every time Little Platoon talks he always sounds sound elegant and mature, I could listen to him for hours.
1:48 Speaking as someone who has been subjected to large quantities of toddler focused media like Muppet Babies while babysitting my nephew, MUPPET BABIES HAS BETTER WRITING THEN SHE-HULK.
@beyond your imagination Oh piss off.
I was thinking the same thing while my daughter was watching Bluey, it's written better than anything in Phase 4.
@@BetaRayBill32 Bluey is a cute and great show. I turn it on for my siblings and they love it.
It’s so simple and easy to follow
This is because Disney writers only know how to write kids TV shows,
But while Muppet Babies was originally written by Jim Henson writers and was brilliant, the newer reboot of Muppet Babies was a big pile of poodoo.
This is the same problem as with Star Wars, Marvel and all other Fox stuff, Disney doesn't know how to write any of it and they have all been disneyfied in the worst possible way.
I was looking forward to SheHulk and in a very small way I still kinda like it but it's ruined everytime by the inevitable cringy 'man-hatIng' BS.
This show had the potential to be very good and if they cut out all the 'men bad' crap it would be so much better, but as I said, Disney/SJW writers cannot write Marvel for s*** and are ruining everything.
@@BetaRayBill32 Bluey is awesome, can't believe it's Disney
After 3 seasons of Batwoman, 2 seasons of Star Trek Picard, 1 season of Naomi, She-Hulk is the next show I enjoy NOT watching but learning about through UA-cam critics.
Watch Klutzman ruin even more beloved characters in season 3 🙄🙄🙄.
Who is/was reviewing Naomi? No one In my internet-periphery was even talking about it.
@@AliRadicali gi gio Chech him out
@@AliRadicali Az (HeelVsBabyFace) did a review of Naomi
Most of these shows I was actually really looking forward to watching 😭
The writing on this show must have been perpetrated by the most fragile, emotionally enfeebled people imaginable.
You are describing modern women
You're not wrong. The writing seems like sixth-grade fan fiction, only more self-aggrandising. It's incredibly juvenile; very much a case of "everythig you can do, I can do better!! And boys are ICKY!!" from little girls wearing woman suits.
Victimizing themselves for their poor life choices
Yep, standard liberals
A fat liberal 30 something chick?? Check!
You nailed it on the head when you said that nothing really happens. 6 episodes in and we: 1. Don't have a real good background on the Jen Walters character, 2. Don't have an established foe, 3. Don't have several extended scenes where She-Hulk does stuff. Meanwhile, we're getting sub-plots with other characters, unrelated cases, and introduced to pointless characters who won't be there for the next episode.
“I get cat called boo hoo” “I like being desired when I’m she-hulk” …. Wait what?
You literally see the episode by just reading the description. That's it. It's just so baffling.
Also, fucking Jen seems to be surpassing Tony in terms of alcoholism. Like, wtf, how much can you have your main character drinking till people get tired of SEEING IT IN EVERY EPISODE
Wine boxes and cats.... These are the writers real life experiences.- After the cc riding dried up, that is.
Feminists tend to subscribe to caricaturized archetypes. Drink whiskey straight and coffee black, that makes you an adult. 🙄
Hence all the people with imposter syndrome who never emotionally matured past the age of 14
@@aahzmandiaz2767 Ding ding ding! Bullseye
It'd be the one true-to-life aspect of the show if it had ANY CONSEQUENCES for Jen, but of course it doesn't, because she is a girlboss.
Like, you could have had at least a few of the conflicts in this show be caused by her obvious alcoholism: Maybe she was driving drunk when she totaled her car with Banner in it. Maybe she loses her job at the DA's office due to her latest DUI or whatever rather than *saving the lives of a jury*.
Even the one flaw the writers left her character (of the ones the writers are aware of that is) isn't treated as such, the writers just think it makes her quirky and endearing.
Wine mum representation amirite
My first real “why are they fighting near all these civilians?” moment came during the finale of the first transformers movie.
You can't really avoid civilians when the bad guys keep running into crowds of people. It's collateral damage
"Sam get to the building"
This is why Spider-Man is my favourite superhero, he constantly has the shift beaten out of him physically, mentally and emotionally but he never gives up. That is a superhero. A superhero needs to be challenged by something that can actually overcome them, and the story is the hero overcoming that challenge, or even failing to and compromising. A hero that is never challenged or ever going to be challenged will never truly be a superhero.
I agree. Mr Immortal himself had the perfect opportunity for this. He's a character that goes through hell almost everyday with his backstory, but has to deal with it. Although being unable to die sounds cool, the comics show that he still suffers unbearable levels of pain from the injuries he gets by "dying" (and it's even worse when he comes back to life). He also clearly doesn't have any powers or skills to be a superhero (apart from coming back to life every time he dies), but he still does his best to be a superhero. Instead, it seemed like the writers just read his wiki bio and said "that's a cool power, might make people laugh", without actually understanding anything from the comics.
Big Bertha also has a similarly emotional story about a supermodel with one of the worst mutant powers ever (to gain super strength by overeating, which comes with increasing her body mass). Despite being laughed at as Big Bertha, she still would rather help people as an oversized superhero than make millions becoming an International supermodel as her alter ego Ashley Crawford. Current Marvel writers would find a way to ruin this character if they ever think of bringing her into the MCU. There was a time I would have loved to see the Great Lakes Avengers join the MCU (preferably as an R-Rated, James Gunn directed series, similar to Peacemaker), but seeing how Marvel handled Mr. Immortal, I'd rather not think of how the GLA would turn out.
If you didn't notice, the Great Lakes Avengers and Mr. Immortal are amongst my favourite Marvel characters. Definitely not my favourite, but top 10 atleast.
"She-Hulk: Attorney at Law" written for women in their late 30s who have no children, never had a relationship last over 6 months, gets a job simply by something that she had no control over, while drowning their sorrows that even they don't like themselves by those same kind of women.
I love the point that Drinker makes about how it would be so much better if the show had Jennifer/She-Hulk becoming intoxicated with her newfound celebrity status, and disregarding the feelings of those around her. The Shazam movie did this perfectly, and it showed how Billy became something of an asshole when he gained superpowers
Drinker you nailed it with one of your earliest comments: it’s wish fulfillment for the writers. Nothing more.
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It says so much about the writers though that their wish is a slightly bigger office and undeserved respect for a power they did nothing to earn.
Drinker, thank you for jumping on this grenade of a show so the rest of us do not have to. If nothing else it is an excellent reason for whiskey to exist.
Made me relapse on opiates, and now I'm chasing higher highs to forget this show exists.
I wouldnt drink whisky while watching this shit. I wouldnt want to build an association between the two in my mind. I wouldnt want to risk being reminded of Shit-Hulk when i have whisky in the future.
If he didn't watch it..... I still wouldn't be watching it. He isn't "jumping on a grenade."
''Jumping on this grenade.'' Stitches guy! Comment of the day!
Watching this show is essentially the equivalant of that one scene in "A Clockwork Orange" when Alex is being subjected to those disturbing pictures with his eyes peeled back. In fact, with the way he was screaming, I'm inclined to think that he did have to bear witness to the future of television and Cinema. The poor kid.
Good analogy
no, he was screaming cuz they were actually doing that to him.
When you guys are describing She-Hulk's conflict with wanting praise for her talents instead of looks I think you are describing many women. I think a lot of them expect to get the same sort of reaction to their accomplishments as they do their beauty, but they just don't fundamentally understand that that's not how it works. Even hyper successful people don't get the same amount of praise and attention that a women can get from her beauty. When you are grinding away publishing papers or building a business or something no one is there raining compliments on you. The reward for hard work is more work. I don't know how to explain this more. It's just not the same and you shouldn't expect the same sort of response from others.
Well said. Also anyone regardless of gender can work, working is not hard in fact humans have spent all their history coming up with inventions so we don’t have to work anymore lmao. Then modern women came along and act as if working is some sort of achievement. Men like women for their looks and femininity not because they can write an article or drive a truck lol.
This might be one of the most precise explanations I've ever seen. Bravo, sir.
Yes, work is not something people appreciate, but is expected from you.
(Some) women don't get that they are born with inherent value while men have to earn it.
Industrialization made women enter the workforce, and since them they have been the unhappiest ever.
You would think it's good to let women work if they want and are able to, but society fills them with the idea to "need no man, be strong and independen'!" so they get frustrated when work doesn't make them happier.
There was this one female lawyer and winner of a beauty contest or something.
Thew herself from the rooftop. She had everything these women would want, and still felt incomplete.
Very well said. You nailed it. This is precisely what these feminist shows do not get at all. They think that guys get compliments for their careers and everyone rains compliments on them just for being "successful" when that almost never happens. Maybe when you graduate college or a med school of law school all your family will compliment you for like a few days, then for the next twenty years no one does, you just work. That kind of thing (House, you are the most brilliant doctor ever!) only happens on TV and they fundamentally do not get it.
This comment educated me. Today won't be a complete waste now.
I love how you guys simply analyzing the show.
Craft a perfect outline of the personality behind it and their troubled mind.
The woman by default wanting the things / society has programmed them to not want.
And it making them deeply unhappy to conform. But doing absolutely nothing to change. Showcasing the learned helplessness people have.
Edit: SheHulk is like those types of art. Where if you splash paint on it and then use it like a stamp you get a perfect impression of a woman drowning while trapped in an ocean of reality. While another version of themselves is helping pull them down deeper into the water.
You know the worst part? Some people will actually think this is okay
Zombies consume whatever's in front of them. Don't worry about them. It's the best they can do.
@@HerculesBallsInc And call the ones who don't incels
@@felixmuraguri8379 In reality, those zombies are projecting.
Dude I thought everyone was overacting about it, then I watched it…AND HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS?!
It is ok
If someone likes this show that’s great.. I support their right to enjoy it, I support the creators right to produce content for that audience
Imagine seeing the show creators at the Hague on trial for their crimes on our senses
The ROP showrunners are first for trial.
Maybe they will be wheeled out in wheelchairs, 90+ years-old, like those old SS and camp guards from the Nazi regime.
Send them straight to GULAG! or maybe go through the Thunderdome first! 2 feminist enter, none of them LEAVE!
The part about existential crisis is spot on. I felt the exact same way after I finished it. I was just walking around my apartment for 5 minutes saying "what a piece of fucking shit what a fucking waste of time" and had to eat like 2 mangos to calm myself down.
You should try Durian. It's way more deadly than mangoes.
@@fajaradi1223 I like mangos more, although it depends on the variety. Some mangos are shit compared to durian, but others are unbeatable.
🤣 Why even put yourself in that situation by watching it? That’s funny man
Sounds like you might have a blood sugar issue, mate.
@@eyespy3001 Wdym. Average mango net weigth is about 150 grams so two mangos are 300g. That makes about 42 g of sugar which is less than a large coke. And its more healthy. That said, I eat sugar to deal with shit, that much is true.
“Try to break away from physical beauty but wants to be showered with praise” - welcome to 20th Century females; a paradox that desperately wants to be right 100% of the time
since you don't even know what century we're in, maybe it's best if you take your pills and go back to bed and leave the commenting to lucid people.
I love the implication that Drinker has tortured someone so badly they had an out of body experience.
Implication he outright said it😂
He literally said that is what he did; that isn't an implication.....
Him: "I tortured someone so bad they had an out of body experience."
You" Wow, I cannot believe you implied you tortured someone."
When I read "...is sheer abuse", I fell over laughing. They can't create anything that isn't shit 😂
This is not a show, it's pretty much..."THE MESSAGE!!!".
💯💯💯💯. Sooo true
Yes and no. It's constantly shouting the message at the audience in very obvious on-the-nose dialogue, but it does a TERRIBLE job at showing any sort of message through the plot elements of the story. The reason this show feels so alien and like nothing is happening is because it's not a real narrative where actions lead to consequences. It feels like an AI-generated story where things just happen one after the other until the story ends.
Despite how much they want the audience to think Jen is smart, competent and confident they manage to show the exact opposite.
Its being constantly said this show isn't for those that are hating it and yet it will be used as the one and only excuse as to why it failed. Gotta give credit to Disney for actively pursuing an example of irony that people can actually watch and not read.
I detest that "it's not for you" line so much. Fiction's greatest strength is its ability to allow someone to experience the story through another person's point of view, even though they might have completely different biological traits or life circumstances. The best fiction has universal appeal, even if it has a clear target audience, because our shared humanity allows us to see ourselves in the characters.
"It's not for you" is a copout for bad writing, and especially when the [faceless entertainment company] cynically decides to race- or gender-swap some beloved character to gin up controversy.
I think it's hilarious that the show can't go more than a couple episode without trying to mock its critics IN THE EPISODE. It shows that it actually WAS written for the critics and the critics are living rent free in the writers' heads. The writers just can't leave it alone and let the work stand on its own... they have to make their catty retorts.
@@AliRadicali 👏👏👏👏
Reminds me of the new (new) Charlie's Angels: "It's not for men" to "Reee why are men not watching it" Honestly if someone told me, this was made for me, I would take it as an insult. Like someone saying; "I made this hedgehog just for you" and handing you a pile of shit with toothpicks stuck into it
Perhaps the Logies can include a trophy section for "most expensive, carefully crafted utter garbage, designed to be repulsive to anyone with a pulse" and she sulk can have a win.
“Everyone’s got an ass” was the ONLY line I remotely chuckled at this whole episode
I clocked out after episode 2. I wanted to give it a chance, but i found i couldn't get through one episode without pausing every five minutes and do something else for a couple of minutes. You guys deserve a medal for soldiering on and suffer on our behalf. Disney really needs to stop and think for a moment about what they are doing with all their movies and shows, because i am weary of every single thing they announce will come out and that makes me not want to watch it and i'm sure i'm not the only one. Why don't they realise that they are just meant to entertain us and not lecture us?
@1:29 "I'm bored of knowing exactly what you think should and should not be happening in the world."
Wow, this one really hit home. That's _exactly_ the problem with woke writing. It's not story-driven, it's grievance-driven.
As it’s designed to be. Critical theory is all about tearing down existing cultural institutions so the Marxist revolution can proceed
Even grievance-driven fiction could be good if the writer knew what they were doing with it. Most woke shows just can't figure out if they want to be a dystopia or a utopia, so they try to do both at the same time.
Take Game of thrones for example: The books and the earlier seasons are clearly dystopic, and by showing us how awful a non-progressive world is, the message is that we ought to be a bit more democratic and feminist than this medieval patriarchal hellhole.
Then as the hack writers were running out of story to adapt, what did they do? They started including this bizarre and out-of-place girlboss theme where all of the major factions are suddenly ruled by women who get along and make 4th-wall-breaking commentary about how society would be better off with female rulers. Not only doesn't make no sense in the setting, but looking at it from a big picture perspective, having a bunch of assertive girlbosses running the dystopian patriarchy undermines the entire point the setting was supposed to be making.
The best thing about She-Hulk is how it brought England, Scotland and Wales together in this stream to shit on it.
She Hulk is one of the shows that I never ever watch.
It’s Marvel Time.
@u know me
These nuts are what you’re looking for
It's marving time
@@unquestionableexistance8704 Marving time? You're one of the she-hulk writers, aren't you?
we so appreciate how masochistic you all are. it's like a python skit about sending people with long sticks into a minefield you need to avoid.
I think at some point Mauler opened a cursed book filled with forbidden elder knowledge.
He sees all of media and it brings him great pain.
In the post credit scene, the bride is scene kissing the dj, cheating on her husband. Great messages from this show
I’m rethinking my entire existence as a man since the writers of She-Hulk seem to think I simply shouldn’t exist.
You dont exist. We are all a figment of some radical feminists imagination.
That says more about the writers than anyone else. Perhaps they should be the ones doing the rethinking.
If they made you question yourself then they succeeded lol
No, no! That's not what they're saying at all. Remember the Jen still has Captain America's ass on her phone and keeps trying to get dates. What you were supposed to learn was to DO BETTER. CLEARLY men should be submissive slaves who exist only for the pleasure of women and have no freedom or desires of their own. Jen's 'good' dates are all like this and all only fall apart once those men actually show they're not good slaves and assert some kind of independence.
@@HerculesBallsInc to be fair I've never watched it, I'll take your word for it
Drinker, Mauler, Disparu, and The Little Platoon: Wouldn't it be fun to build careers off of watching movies and TV shows and talking about them?
*SHE-HULK has entered the chat
I think Tatiana Maslany deserves some (sincere) recognition for doing a great job of portraying such an awful, insufferable character. She can't fix the lines, or the underlying vileness of Jen, but credit where it's due, she throws every pleading look and eyelash-bat possible into trying to evoke _some_ sort of - utterly undeserved - sympathy for her. It might even work on viewers who are as vapid and superficial as the writers.
She was great in Orphan Black.
That's because she, like Brie Larson is a fully fledged feminist.
stop giving recognition to pathetic people
I have absolutely no sympathy for people like her. They allow themselves to get blinded by the fact that projects like this are big opportunities that can further their careers and never stop to consider that they are stepping into crap that will more than likely blow up in their faces.
She's part of it wearing her woke t shirts to interviews.
I think the problem with She-Hulk is that there isn't a narrative taking place. No story. No end goal. Jen isn't driving the plot forward. Instead, events are happening in the world, and She-Hulk happens to be nearby. She's not making any decisions that have any effect on anyone or anything. This show feels like a bunch of individual scenes being filmed, rather than a story being told. There's been no character arc, story arc, or any development of anything. Just a self-congratulatory jumble of barely connected scenes.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Are they actually scenes, or are they just scripted moments?
Ok. You're wrong.
"The writers don't care, why should we?" Sums it up nicely.
There needs to be a counter-series made that takes each episode of She-Hulk: Failure at Large and shows it from a man's point of view. Hell, just a more realistic point of view.
Shot scene for scene from the original, but with inner monologues from male bystanders and secondary characters pointing out the sheer stupidity of every situation in the show.
Or even bystanders casually pointing out how unrealistic or utterly stupid everyone (especially Jen) is behaving. And maybe a 2 minute wrap at the end (confession style) from a guy who
somehow 'survived' the cluster-f*ck of the episode that just happened.
I'd watch that show.
Dude yes that would be amazing
I think you described mystery science theater 3000
@@GAD00SH Except these would be the actors in the the scene, not 3rd party observers.
"your ass looks crazy right now," said no woman to a friend ever
WHO SAYS THAT!?
Very superficial and basic people. I've seen this behavior only, specifically, in those types of people. Who don't think critically, listen to Kid rock, don't understand complex conceptions without trying to mock it for not being simple enough, etc.
@@chasehedges6775 People who fit the "hot cheeto girl" stereotype probably.
@@chasehedges6775 Twerk-obsessed people?
F'in hope not.
"this show is practically a war crime" 😂😂😂😂
Seeing these guys all together gives hope. Maybe bad directors and writers will watch this and learn..... Keep up the great work guys
Best arc was watching Angryjoe going from hopeful to having whatever hope he had crushed by the sheer stupidity of the show.
Thank you, finally someone pointed out how the bride reaction at the end made NO SENSE.
More on the point of portraying marriage - did we ever see the groom? Do we know his name? Show kept ignoring him so much, I was genuinely sure the nice guy whatshisname is gonna turn out to be him. I mean, this would make a decent joke - suddenly episode makes kinda sense, there's even some self-realisation / character development in there somewhere. But no, it goes nowhere!
I was wondering this too. The whole plot kinda made no sense. She invited Jen after a long time apart, as though she only wanted here there for She-hulk. Then tells here she doesn’t want her to be She-hulk. Then her and the bridesmaids take enjoyment in bullying her. Then she’s all happy when She-hulk shows up and almost wrecks her wedding. I was progressively more confused and assumed there would be some kind of conclusion or payoff to the situation, but nothing.
I think what’s interesting is that the people on the show “Love, Death and Robots” consistently manages to create short films (that’s between like 10 to 18 minutes long) that are consistently a lot more engaging, better written, enjoyable and overall just better than the entirety of the Post-Endgame MCU.
I mean hell just look at the season 1 episode “The Secret War.” It’s just over 16 minutes long and in that time it manages to introduce the various characters, explain the setting and make us genuinely care about what’s going on and the characters and deliver some of the best action scenes I have seen in a *long* time!
Meanwhile, the only thing the current MCU has consistently managed to do is to bore me to tears whenever I have decided to give their shows a try.
Love death and robots is a fucking masterpiece. In jibaro you have the entire story of the Spanish colonialism in America without uttering a single word. Lucky 13 made you care about the relationship of a pilot with her aircraft fot fuck's sake
In a perfect world, Love, Death and Robots would be the most popular streaming show of all time. So many amazing ideas, characters, writing and visuals. Each new short is so exciting because it could look like anything, take place anywhere at any time. It pushes the boundaries of imagination on TV.
Bad Travelling was such a good episode. My favorite one.
I only hope it doesn't become black mirror which started amazing and became boring
If I wrote a She-Hulk TV show, it would be absolutely awful, but I still feel like I could make it better than this. I would at least read every She-Hulk comic I could find and steal all the good ideas.
A show like this must be particuarly painful to professional writers, who _know_ they could do so much better on thier *worst* day.
That lead actress is a sheer revelation in that someone so devoid of likability, charisma, or talent of any kind was picked to lead this show. She awful on every level, the kind of person no one would ever want to spend more than two minutes with. It's really amazing someone watched her audition, went through the process and signed off on her.
She's actually good in Orphan Black. I blame the writers.
What Drinker is talking about is called "zoning out". The mechanism is kind of similar to emotional shock, where the mind gets slammed with inputs so fucking hard, it goes in to automated mode to artificially distance itself from the environment. Take "a step back", process the signals and reconnect back to reality.
Frequent "zoning out" is sometimes the only weapon for victims of long-term abuse.
If you managed to make someone without prior trauma zone out,then you might be pretty good at being very bad human being. ;)
She-Hulk is trying to be a sort of Seinfeld, except without writing or acting talent.
You guys are my heros. I really could not watch it after a few minutes, literally impossible for me.
It’s just crazy how many routes they could take with this show and this is the route they choose to go down
Tony Stark, when asked by the Captain what he was without his suit, said: "a billionaire genius playboy philanthropist." Jen without She Hulk is a drunken, miserable attorney, I guess.
This was an amazing critique to listen to. You made what could have been excruciating subject matter engaging and interesting.
Thank you Drinker! (And guests)
And I love how evidently EVERYONE is essentially an ALCOHOLIC?!?!
I don’t drink alcohol but I would drink a lot of water or Dr Pepper than watch this show.
Tbf this is accurate to real life. Lawyers are mostly alcoholics
Angry ally mcbeal
Edit: with a sprinkling of sex in the city
Would you want to bet the writers are alcoholics?
“It’s just like a bottle or two of wine per night,and a crate on weekends,it’s fine,everyone does it”
-she hulk writer,probably
Little did we know they weren't making a show, they were making something to torture Critical, Mauler, G&G and Nerdrotic because they know that you guys will watch and review it. They got us good
The irony of a lawyer not caring about consequence. Like let's endanger people and ruin a wedding.
Even my 12 year old daughter gave up watching it after ep 4. It's as if school children entered a competition to write a story and Marvel thought it would be a good idea to turn it into a TV show without any edits to the script!
Apparently the "writers" believe women are nothing but children.
This was a great conversation and I was so stoked to see little platoon here!! Can’t wait to watch another, cheers
When the writers said that they don't know how to write court scenes what they meant was they don't know how to write a scene.
They also meant they had no inclination to even try to learn how either. I mean, I'm not a writer but if I was writing a novel about flying fighter jets, I'd research what it's like to be a jet pilot. These people can't even be bothered to turn on Judge Judy.
@@toddtaylor6506 I’ve watched few hours of Depp trial,plus a couple of streams with commentary of a “UA-cam lawyer”,and I can confidently say,I know more about anything involving court procedures than a whole writing team,a f***ing team,of very well paid,professional writers,and I’m not even a woman.
"We don't know how to write court scenes. I mean, we don't know how to write any scenes, but court scenes too!"
For five episodes they were explaining how Hulks cant get drunk and on the sixth Jen got drunk? Leaving every other problem of the show aside, what the actual F? How is it possible the writers cant follow even this through the full 9 episodes?
Have to be in hulk form to not get drunk.
I bet jen cant get drunk as a "HULK", in human form I think she can
It is only in her She-Hulk form that she cannot get drunk. It has be explained and shown before in the show.
Omg this was explained in the very first episode that as a Hulk they can drink a ton more alcahol than in their human form
In the next episode the literally drinks tons as SheHulk and her boss asks her to turn back to Jen and she's instantly drunk.
So, in this episode, her getting Drunk as Jen and then as soon as she changes to SheHulk she's no longer drunk is still the same exact thing.
🙄🙄🙄
Alzheimers?.
"Hey could you come to my wedding as Jen, not She-Hulk because I'm worried you will draw attention away from me on my special day."
Jen then spends the episode complaining people are not spending enough time telling her how wonderful her life is and how amazed they are by her. She then turns into She-Hulk and makes a huge scene, taking attention away from the bride. She also never talks to the bride. She mourns the fact that the wedding guests are not spending enough time on her.
When he says "this is what would happen if we had 10 minutes to write something," I thought that was very humble.
Thought the same. If they knew the genre going in, and the main character (let's say, Captain Planet) they could crank out at least a decent first episode.
I've laughed twice through the qhole show so far
1. "You look like a football player pelading no contest to a DUI"
2. The immortal jumping out the window
The casual comment of giving up her soul to return back to her dimension was my 3rd. Adding onto ur two. Thats it
Nothing in the show is even remotely funny... Nothing.
I just find it shocking that they’re just casually introducing someone who literally can’t die into the MCU. Like he’s just there now. There’s a guy they could send to fix any situation because he literally cannot die.
Deadpool already exists dude
@@darkchild130 Not in the MCU. Not yet, at least.
a she-hulk show where she is trained to use hulk powers and is sent on special missions by shield but also has a life as a layer person would have been dope. like a completely duck out of water type situation but she becomes hella lethal and is told that she is some secret anti-hulk contingency for if bruce banner ever goes off the rails.
My teenage daughter was slightly interested in this show, and I kept my opinions to myself, not to spoil it for her. She never actually realised that the show was supposed to be a comedy, and within a few minutes of Episode 5 (Jen buys a suit), she was rolling her eyes. by the end of the episode, she'd had enough of the show altogether. So what is the demographic they are aiming at?
"The writers havent gone on an arc themselves so they cant write one" that's just amazing