9.25 crailtap couch, whatever size Indy’s match that, and some spit formula 4 tablets, mini logo grip, my second favorite grip after mob and of course bones reds
For me i am fortunate enough to be able to afford 2 setups. My preferred one is my transition/curb set up. Its a size 9 with wide LOOSE trucks, soft red bushings, size 56 99 durometer conicals and deck rails. My second is my tech/ledge set up. Size 8.325, TIGHT trucks, hard bushings, size 54 101 durometer conicals. I want to get a 3rd setup that is a hybrid in between the setups but sadly i am not yet fortunate enough to own 3 setups yet.
i love that youre doing this right now. ive been back into skating the last couple years, im 34 now, and ive been sticking a lot to transition and skating rails and ledges. i tried getting kickflips back but man my legs would just give out so much faster after flicking and flicking. i finally decided i want to get them back so i just started trying again last week then you posted that last kickflip vid, perfect timing haha. im skating an 8.5 now, dropped back down to 52mm lock ins and switched to my hollow indy 159s off my pool board. ive landed one so far lmao
Love your videos man! 👊 Its weird that 8.5 is considered street/skinny board. In 90's / 00's 8.5's where like tanks.😂 Im skating 8.25 foundation board now. Looking to test a bigger board for bowls and transition.
LMAO. Just my 2 cent but going down to 8.5 is good, but like Ben D says the trucks are the "tools" of skating if you really want to do street tech flip tricks skating you should get some Venture, if you ride tight trucks, or Thunders, which in your case you ride loose trucks as evident, both are much more stable and much lighter than all the other major truck brands and are the best for tech flip skating due to the stability and less turning as "tools" of skateboarding.. and you're better off also using something like SFF4 classics 53mm or smaller would help with flip tricks as well.
Sounds light. How much do u weight ? I weight 170-180 and I’d break those trucks. I skated the tensor mags and bent them bad day 1. I liked the weight of them. My current set up is so heavy sounding compared to ur set up
I am 75 kg, really light setup, perfect for flip tricks. Pops better than a normal deck and also there is no razor tail or cracks. 3 months old deck in 100% condition.
I used to think that skinny boards flipped quicker, so i rode 7.5 to 7.75. Then i busted a board and a friend floated me a 8.25 and it was life changing.. I'll never forget what my friend said 'see? Its like landing in your living room...' hahaha he may have been quoting figgy.. those fakie tre flips are wierd, right? They feel sooo good tho
I feel like body posture is a big difference between styles, im a tall dude at 6'4 and huge part of getting better at street whas keeping my back straight and not leaning into flip tricks while trying to watch the board action. As opposed to skating miniramps and pipes where your inertia kinda forces you into leaning over a lot more . Congrats on the fakie tre flip . Food for thought.
This was rad. I'm going through the same thing right now, actually. I used to skate an 8.0 for the longest time, then about 6-8 years ago stepped up to an 8.25. Around 2020 I went up to an 8.5 and was loving that. I ended up setting up a 8.75 for transition, slappys, and filming (just swap the wheels out depending on what I'm doing). I haven't been skating as much this last year and realized the 8.5 was a little too big for flip tricks - which I mainly stick to. So, I went back to 8.25 about 2 months ago and i feel like it's a little small but I notice I can 360 flip more consistently again. I know wheelbase has a lot to do with it so I might even try an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase and twin tail so it's shorter overall which should help rotate the board easier. I also agree with you about the wider board making it feel more stable. I can still slappy with the 8.25 so it's all a preference, but a little annoying having 3 set ups in my car haha.
i've also started doing this to round out my game. was skating mostly (95% transition) but recently moved and my local is now more of a plaza-style park. I'm forcing myself to work on my weak areas but have enjoyed the process. Hurts the ego a bit but i think its important to get out of your comfort zone
so wild how in 2000-ish, I was skating an 8 inch Shorty's Chad Muska Kamakaze deck and my friends endlessly roasted me because back then everyone was skating like 7.25 or 7.5
I commented on Bam Margera's Myspace page as a kid to say he would sell more boards if they were smaller. They were 8.0. As if he was having any trouble selling boards
My first board was an 8.5, recommendation of the shop. After a while, I went down to an 8.25 as I was convinced that my Ollie’s weren’t as high because of the weight and size of the board. After a few months of the 8.25, I finally went back up and realized it wasn’t the weight and was way more stable on the 8.5. Been skating 8.5 ever since and I do everything with that, from transition, street, or commuting to class.
Also its funny your buddy Dan C rides a 8.5 and 8.75 trucks (was Indy Mid now Thunders cause he rides loose trucks) he has no problem doing all the tech and flip tricks, he rides small wheels 52mm.. Simple, just copy him and ask his advice on all those tech and flip tricks.
I have been skating a 8.5 since I restarted skating with my old 149 stage 8 independent. And just this days went back to my older deck 8.0 consolidated and for me now its much easier. The thing is its lighter and for my age you need less strength. Once you start switching things it gets too complicated. Now I bought thunder trucks to try and we will see what it comes from it…. Young dude’s skate with anything…. I think its a question of older people to swtich things or many setups because we have more resources… but great vid!
damn, 8.5 is considered small these days? i have an old 7.75 board i still use for bowl skating just because i trust it, the trucks turn tight and it doesnt get wheel bite. i ahve a 8" board with nose and tail, im not sure how wide the widest point is, that i use for street/ miniramp skating. its crazy how much things have changed.
I sized up to an 8.5 from an 8.125. Tore my ACL, meniscus, sprained MCL and fractured the head of my fibula. I'll be going right back to 8.125 when I'm back 😅.
And for rails I wanna say it’s kinda of pussy shit to put on popsicle boards but I do have sum on my old skool 10x30 deck and I only bought em so I can board slide crusty ass ledges
Nobody is putting rubber sheets under the trucks anymore, what were those called, 'wornouts'?! I'm not that motor expert, sk8 doesn't really need any sealing. Don't bother with that David's back in the UK hype, while I'm on the other side turn. Landed or not I guess Scotland was as cold as the Freedom Tower in the winter winds. Landing tricks is more fun, but what John Gardner really thinks of Paul Walker, any other old Golf missing out there, Beckham?! Namastè.
As a dude who’s 6’4 180ish, Anything below a 9.0’ is a child’s toy. Heroins 9.5 symetrical Egg is the best shape for skating a bigger board without compromising your tricks. The bigger board allows me to really slow down my flip tricks and catch them comfortably, gives my big feet more room to stay on the board and not do “smith” stalls in transition while secretly using my heel to stand and balance on the coping. Where’s all my eggheads out there?!?!
i ride anywhere to a 7.75 to a 8.25 size board, Krux trucks, Spitfire conical Full, wheels, Bones super Reds, i usually like to ride BroStyle griptape, its just a branch off from mob. if i cant find any brostyle grip, ill settle for standard mob. bolts dont matter to me, all i want is a colored bolt on my left topside of the board.
Thunder 149 hollow lights/ 52mm spitfire wheels/ 8.5 krooked….. honestly I’ve tried many different trucks and wheels and I find that classics do help the trucks have a little bit more lean to them then the conicals do… I’ve noticed out of the 2 wheel shapes the conicals took more effort for me to flip my board than the classics
I'm a big old dude and I feel best on a 9"+ setup. I do have some smaller boards to mess around(flat ground) on but when I'm serious it's the bigger boards for sure. I do think I'm going to get a smaller freestyle setup just to try, I haven't done one flip trick in 45 yrs of skating, maybe I'll pull one off before I die, lol sorta doubt it lol
Flip tricks were invented on a set of tight tight trucks. In the early 90s everyone rode really tight trucks, I think your trucks are too loose. I know its the trend currently to skate loose trucks and I do as well. But the wobble you get right before you pop is whats throwing you off. Rodney mullen didn't invent street but have you ever seen him turn, no, its because his trucks are insanely tight. I think you mentioned tight trucks and what i'm saying in that kickflip video.
I went from 8.6 to 8.25 and been on 8.25 for months, I do miss the fun of a bigger board. Flip tricks are harder but feel so much cooler to land. I'll probably go back to a bigger board eventually just for fun.
Agreed. I started with a wider board back in the 90s and when skinny popsicle boards came along i couldn’t get comfortable with it. It all comes down to preference, style, and if your having fun.
I'm the same way man. Tried a 8.38 board and was able to flip my board better but wasn't having very much fun because the smaller board felt extremely sketchy. I actually got a bigger board after trying the smaller one. I went from 8.75 to 8.8. Now I can do flip tricks on the 8.8 board but it took me awhile. It's more stable and fun this way though so Im deff going to stay with the bigger shaped board.
@@ZackDowdy i have a 9 inch Girl footballish shaped deck has a 13.875 wheelbase. its like riding a small board but its a 9in very interesting ride. i can flip it like a 8.25
I've been on the tj Roger quantums for a few months now. They've been riding good, my only issue was one the the shields came off. But the box had a couple spares in it so that helped. I love the Ace hollows. I've never had a bolt screw into the deck the way they do. The sink into the deck better than anything else I've used. That pan head design on the bottom is sweet
You should try same wheelbase, but different widths. Imo, wheelbase is what can really screw you up, as it messes with your timing, pop lightness and balance point
so personally what i always do, when i get a new set of trucks, (not that often) but when i do i always mark an X on the back of the base plate of my front truck to always tell the difference. just alil tip for anyone gets confused, when you take the trucks off.
Aren´t these the ace bolts where you don´t even need a allen key anymore, because they have this grooves in the top of the bolts so they grip in the board and only have to tighten the nut?
You should try 50-52mm spitfire classics, that’s gonna make a huge difference with flip tricks, 54mm seems small to you maybe but to street skaters that’s a big wheel
What's your setup?
9.25 crailtap couch, whatever size Indy’s match that, and some spit formula 4 tablets, mini logo grip, my second favorite grip after mob and of course bones reds
9.81 gonz sweatpants, need to get some 169 indys for it and have some 80s powell peralta streetstyle wheels 95a. Black mob grip. Reds
Just set up a santacruz winkouski with some oj mini juice wheels. Wanting to see if i can get use to it for an atv board.
8.5 Flip Tom penny pro model re run with the Cheech and chong graphic.. 144 mid indys with hard conical bushings swapped in.
Welcome Daniel Vargas 8.8 board, 54 dragon wides, Thunder Lights 2 151. Super fun setup, try it!
Crazy to hear someone calling 8.5 a smaller setup. Wild!
8.5 is definitely one of my smaller set ups lol I only go as far as 8.375 that’s my tech set up lol
I would say it’s small but ok size
Yea I’ve been skating a 8.25 egg for 2 boards and an 8.75 before that. 8.5 feels pretty small now
Word! Biggest I'd go for street is 8.25. We're all different tho
Agreed. I have a handful of boards ranging from 7.75-8.75
Tell someone an 8.5 is a small board in 2002 lol
For me i am fortunate enough to be able to afford 2 setups. My preferred one is my transition/curb set up. Its a size 9 with wide LOOSE trucks, soft red bushings, size 56 99 durometer conicals and deck rails. My second is my tech/ledge set up. Size 8.325, TIGHT trucks, hard bushings, size 54 101 durometer conicals.
I want to get a 3rd setup that is a hybrid in between the setups but sadly i am not yet fortunate enough to own 3 setups yet.
That's good variety! I feel so wild going from small board to big board the same day.
I'm skating a Creature Stump 8.6" 14.25 WB, and I love it.
That board would be great if the wb was 14.5
Im leaning toward trying a stump next board.
@@sonnyrico you won't be disappointed
Yessir! Be double flipping the 8.25 in no time!
Scaled down same time u did to a 8.375 with Indy 144s and 48mm spitfires. I almost got my kick flips back now. Trick I’ve always struggled with.
@@TRAVIESO_NA Ayy nice yo !
i love that youre doing this right now. ive been back into skating the last couple years, im 34 now, and ive been sticking a lot to transition and skating rails and ledges. i tried getting kickflips back but man my legs would just give out so much faster after flicking and flicking. i finally decided i want to get them back so i just started trying again last week then you posted that last kickflip vid, perfect timing haha. im skating an 8.5 now, dropped back down to 52mm lock ins and switched to my hollow indy 159s off my pool board. ive landed one so far lmao
Stoked to hear you got it!
Love your videos man! 👊 Its weird that 8.5 is considered street/skinny board. In 90's / 00's 8.5's where like tanks.😂 Im skating 8.25 foundation board now. Looking to test a bigger board for bowls and transition.
I like my boards like i like my womens.. BIG, WIDE and CURVY!!!! Hahahahaha!!!
A smaller wheel base helps with spin
Omar skates vert on 8.38's! Should check out his Black Label boards.
LMAO. Just my 2 cent but going down to 8.5 is good, but like Ben D says the trucks are the "tools" of skating if you really want to do street tech flip tricks skating you should get some Venture, if you ride tight trucks, or Thunders, which in your case you ride loose trucks as evident, both are much more stable and much lighter than all the other major truck brands and are the best for tech flip skating due to the stability and less turning as "tools" of skateboarding.. and you're better off also using something like SFF4 classics 53mm or smaller would help with flip tricks as well.
7.75 capsule carbon twin tail board, tensor mag light, dkl rubber grip, bones x formula, bones reds.
Sounds light. How much do u weight ? I weight 170-180 and I’d break those trucks. I skated the tensor mags and bent them bad day 1. I liked the weight of them.
My current set up is so heavy sounding compared to ur set up
I am 75 kg, really light setup, perfect for flip tricks. Pops better than a normal deck and also there is no razor tail or cracks. 3 months old deck in 100% condition.
8.25 next
I used to think that skinny boards flipped quicker, so i rode 7.5 to 7.75. Then i busted a board and a friend floated me a 8.25 and it was life changing.. I'll never forget what my friend said 'see? Its like landing in your living room...' hahaha he may have been quoting figgy.. those fakie tre flips are wierd, right? They feel sooo good tho
Agreed. The width to me is not what matters I’m more stuck on wheelbase or length and other specs lol. I grew up skating 7.5 and 7.6 alot
Sizing down to an 8.5 sounds crazy - I finally just sized up to an 8.25 after wandering around 8-8.125 for a few years 😂
I feel like body posture is a big difference between styles, im a tall dude at 6'4 and huge part of getting better at street whas keeping my back straight and not leaning into flip tricks while trying to watch the board action. As opposed to skating miniramps and pipes where your inertia kinda forces you into leaning over a lot more . Congrats on the fakie tre flip . Food for thought.
Thanks dude, appreciate that feedback!
14" wheelbase gang
This was rad. I'm going through the same thing right now, actually. I used to skate an 8.0 for the longest time, then about 6-8 years ago stepped up to an 8.25. Around 2020 I went up to an 8.5 and was loving that. I ended up setting up a 8.75 for transition, slappys, and filming (just swap the wheels out depending on what I'm doing). I haven't been skating as much this last year and realized the 8.5 was a little too big for flip tricks - which I mainly stick to. So, I went back to 8.25 about 2 months ago and i feel like it's a little small but I notice I can 360 flip more consistently again. I know wheelbase has a lot to do with it so I might even try an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase and twin tail so it's shorter overall which should help rotate the board easier. I also agree with you about the wider board making it feel more stable. I can still slappy with the 8.25 so it's all a preference, but a little annoying having 3 set ups in my car haha.
14 inch wheelbase is the best! I'm the same, 3 setups right now haha
i've also started doing this to round out my game. was skating mostly (95% transition) but recently moved and my local is now more of a plaza-style park. I'm forcing myself to work on my weak areas but have enjoyed the process. Hurts the ego a bit but i think its important to get out of your comfort zone
This! 100%
so wild how in 2000-ish, I was skating an 8 inch Shorty's Chad Muska Kamakaze deck and my friends endlessly roasted me because back then everyone was skating like 7.25 or 7.5
I commented on Bam Margera's Myspace page as a kid to say he would sell more boards if they were smaller. They were 8.0. As if he was having any trouble selling boards
Dude I got an 8 back in the day and the same shit happened with me. Called it a boat and everything lol. Now that’s dmall
My first board was an 8.5, recommendation of the shop. After a while, I went down to an 8.25 as I was convinced that my Ollie’s weren’t as high because of the weight and size of the board. After a few months of the 8.25, I finally went back up and realized it wasn’t the weight and was way more stable on the 8.5. Been skating 8.5 ever since and I do everything with that, from transition, street, or commuting to class.
Also its funny your buddy Dan C rides a 8.5 and 8.75 trucks (was Indy Mid now Thunders cause he rides loose trucks) he has no problem doing all the tech and flip tricks, he rides small wheels 52mm.. Simple, just copy him and ask his advice on all those tech and flip tricks.
Looks cool
I have been skating a 8.5 since I restarted skating with my old 149 stage 8 independent. And just this days went back to my older deck 8.0 consolidated and for me now its much easier. The thing is its lighter and for my age you need less strength. Once you start switching things it gets too complicated. Now I bought thunder trucks to try and we will see what it comes from it…. Young dude’s skate with anything…. I think its a question of older people to swtich things or many setups because we have more resources… but great vid!
damn, 8.5 is considered small these days? i have an old 7.75 board i still use for bowl skating just because i trust it, the trucks turn tight and it doesnt get wheel bite. i ahve a 8" board with nose and tail, im not sure how wide the widest point is, that i use for street/ miniramp skating. its crazy how much things have changed.
I’m here feeling inadequate with my 8.125s that I’ve been skating the last 5+ years…
I sized up to an 8.5 from an 8.125. Tore my ACL, meniscus, sprained MCL and fractured the head of my fibula.
I'll be going right back to 8.125 when I'm back 😅.
And for rails I wanna say it’s kinda of pussy shit to put on popsicle boards but I do have sum on my old skool 10x30 deck and I only bought em so I can board slide crusty ass ledges
Nobody is putting rubber sheets under the trucks anymore, what were those called, 'wornouts'?! I'm not that motor expert, sk8 doesn't really need any sealing. Don't bother with that David's back in the UK hype, while I'm on the other side turn. Landed or not I guess Scotland was as cold as the Freedom Tower in the winter winds. Landing tricks is more fun, but what John Gardner really thinks of Paul Walker, any other old Golf missing out there, Beckham?! Namastè.
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Product can help, I started to ride spit fire formula 4’s and man those fucking wheels changed skating for me for the better
As a dude who’s 6’4 180ish, Anything below a 9.0’ is a child’s toy. Heroins 9.5 symetrical Egg is the best shape for skating a bigger board without compromising your tricks. The bigger board allows me to really slow down my flip tricks and catch them comfortably, gives my big feet more room to stay on the board and not do “smith” stalls in transition while secretly using my heel to stand and balance on the coping. Where’s all my eggheads out there?!?!
This board is not that small. The wheelbase on this Jacuzzi board is as long as your Polar decks.
i ride anywhere to a 7.75 to a 8.25 size board, Krux trucks, Spitfire conical Full, wheels, Bones super Reds, i usually like to ride BroStyle griptape, its just a branch off from mob. if i cant find any brostyle grip, ill settle for standard mob. bolts dont matter to me, all i want is a colored bolt on my left topside of the board.
I'm skating a blank 8.5 with thunders and spitfire classics 52mm
Thunder 149 hollow lights/ 52mm spitfire wheels/
8.5 krooked….. honestly I’ve tried many different trucks and wheels and I find that classics do help the trucks have a little bit more lean to them then the conicals do… I’ve noticed out of the 2 wheel shapes the conicals took more effort for me to flip my board than the classics
Bro 8.5" is NOT a small board! I would not take this review seriously...
I'm a big old dude and I feel best on a 9"+ setup. I do have some smaller boards to mess around(flat ground) on but when I'm serious it's the bigger boards for sure. I do think I'm going to get a smaller freestyle setup just to try, I haven't done one flip trick in 45 yrs of skating, maybe I'll pull one off before I die, lol sorta doubt it lol
Flip tricks were invented on a set of tight tight trucks. In the early 90s everyone rode really tight trucks, I think your trucks are too loose. I know its the trend currently to skate loose trucks and I do as well. But the wobble you get right before you pop is whats throwing you off. Rodney mullen didn't invent street but have you ever seen him turn, no, its because his trucks are insanely tight. I think you mentioned tight trucks and what i'm saying in that kickflip video.
You’re legs are a little too close together when you’re trying to land a 360 flip
That is one clean skateboard, nice! Nothing wrong with riding a stylized setup.
Lmfao jfc dude what's with all the clickbait video titles / thumbnails in the last few weeks your channels littered with them now 😂
BTW, Ventures are the only "tech street flip" truck that are light and semi skateable on transitions..
I skated the Thunder trucks a lot in bowls. They're good with 1/8" riser pads and wheels up to 56mm.
I feel like some forged hollow independent trucks would make that board easier for you to skate and flip.
I like that you’re diversifying your skating to be more well rounded!
That's the goal!
I’m a 2 set up guy, one for curbs/transition and one for street
Zack, what did you think about the wheel wells?
I went from 8.6 to 8.25 and been on 8.25 for months, I do miss the fun of a bigger board. Flip tricks are harder but feel so much cooler to land. I'll probably go back to a bigger board eventually just for fun.
Agreed. I started with a wider board back in the 90s and when skinny popsicle boards came along i couldn’t get comfortable with it. It all comes down to preference, style, and if your having fun.
I'm the same way man. Tried a 8.38 board and was able to flip my board better but wasn't having very much fun because the smaller board felt extremely sketchy. I actually got a bigger board after trying the smaller one. I went from 8.75 to 8.8. Now I can do flip tricks on the 8.8 board but it took me awhile. It's more stable and fun this way though so Im deff going to stay with the bigger shaped board.
I love big set ups but I can’t flip a big board at all.
Good to know there's hope! Rad you figured it out.
@@ZackDowdy i have a 9 inch Girl footballish shaped deck has a 13.875 wheelbase. its like riding a small board but its a 9in very interesting ride. i can flip it like a 8.25
@@TRAVIESO_NA I can't to try my Polar Football 8.75 (14.375 wb).
you should do a video now on a huge board, like a beamer.
next, symmetrical board
That ledge looks so fun! Reminds me of the one at the back entrance at Linda Vista. One of my favorite ride on grinds!
Boomer thinks 8.5 is small 😂
Thats the trick practice skinny excel thicc
Very Cool
Nice
Nice! Jacuzzi is awesome!!!
That process was satisfying to watch.
Thanks Matthew!
@@ZackDowdy thank you sir
I have that same Dilo Jacuzzi. I also had the Oski that you were riding for a while but in 8.5. great minds think alike
I've been on the tj Roger quantums for a few months now. They've been riding good, my only issue was one the the shields came off. But the box had a couple spares in it so that helped. I love the Ace hollows. I've never had a bolt screw into the deck the way they do. The sink into the deck better than anything else I've used. That pan head design on the bottom is sweet
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Congrats on fakie tre
I’m riding 9 in and I like it a lot ! I’m 6,3 also and size 12 feet so it works much better !
8.3 is Magic. slightly larger than the coveted 8.25 and not quite an 8.5.
How do you like those bearings?
The shields popped off first session! I’d prefer Reds for similar price.
You should try same wheelbase, but different widths. Imo, wheelbase is what can really screw you up, as it messes with your timing, pop lightness and balance point
Facts, I need that 14" wheelbase for the streets
This is really good content! Good work!
so personally what i always do, when i get a new set of trucks, (not that often) but when i do i always mark an X on the back of the base plate of my front truck to always tell the difference. just alil tip for anyone gets confused, when you take the trucks off.
Smart!
7,75
hows the DIY spot coming along too? hopefully no one has messed with it. excited to see your vids there
Keeps getting flooded! But I've made some progress.
Aren´t these the ace bolts where you don´t even need a allen key anymore, because they have this grooves in the top of the bolts so they grip in the board and only have to tighten the nut?
Those sound like Random hardware (hammer in) these are Indy
Nice tre flip Zach!
You should try 50-52mm spitfire classics, that’s gonna make a huge difference with flip tricks, 54mm seems small to you maybe but to street skaters that’s a big wheel
I want to try some 52s!
@@ZackDowdy the classics shape will suit flip tricks and if you want to go crazy with a street setup some thunder lights might be a good choice 👍
I skate straight 8s and people who are way smaller than me think it’s insane but it’s not
If it works, it works!