It's the eyes, The 'missing' shadows over Maria's eyes made her seem more demonic... if that makes sense. The better lighting of the Remake took it away.
I do know it is a game.. But let's be real for a second. If you were James. Which one "Mary" would you trust more? The one that looks demonic from the OG, or the one on the remake? The tone is different, but if anything it does add credibility. To a certain extent.
For me, the original "I'm not your Mary" a bit more serious and trying to "seduce" James into her reality, But in my opinion, the remake "I'm not your Mary" is more toward "Please don't make me a replacement of Mary" kind of tone, and in my opinion, it is suggesting that this Maria had gone through the truth from Born From A Wish scenario but still have enough of herself to be wanting acceptance.
@@stevenwongso66 that interpretation of Maria in the second part kinda defeats the purpose of her character. Maria is not a lover of James, she is there to torment him about his wife. Her dialogue, her looks, the way she dresses, all of it pokes at James' image and guilt towards his wife. She is a character that is formed from his love, lust, and guilt.
@@BoostedMonkey05 I agree with you, that she is James' punishment from Silent Hill. However, regarding the second part of my comment. In my opinion, this also can be interpreted that, Maria in Remake, is she has gone through Born From A Wish and thus has realization of her true nature but she has awareness enough to be wanting acceptance. The development interaction from Ernest is still there.
The phrase, “See… I’m real.” Has a different tone. The remake gives that sad tone that Maria comforts James that she is real and he doesn’t have to worry about the pain since she can ease it away. The original has that eerie vibe that Marie is aware of what James is going through his mind and plays him with deception. Making James question his reality which spirals him deeper.
I think the original Maria was trying to be seductive to distract james from how she alluded to knowing more than she lets on with what she said earlier, "Are you confusing me with someone else?" then that tone shifts when she says "im not your mary" affirming that she might hold distain for "mary" when she knows she the perfect girl for him then the tone shifts finally to "see im real, dont you wanna touch me?" "come and get me I cant do anything behind these bars." I think the remake lacks the cadence to allude to that which is unfortunate but like not story ruining
@@whyamihereshorts2230 IMO the original maria was more unnerving considering how easy going she was despite last being seen getting sliced in 2 only to then get hit with whiplash when she switches back to her vixen persona. The new maria behaves in reverse with her being cold initially only to then be soothing and doesn't have that same impression as the original. She acts more like a counsellor than the reincarnation of a dead wife by an ill man. I can't help but think that they missed the mark when replicating the original dynamic.
I felt a tone shift especially in "I'm not your Mary". The remake gives it a more neutral and monotone feel and is a bit unsettling with how robotic and unhuman it sounds.
In my opinion, the remake feels like this Maria has been gone through Born From A Wish scenario where she knows what her true purpose is through Ernest Baldwin. She wished to be real and that is why her saying "See, I am real" feels more of underlying begging to James to accept her as she is. The original, feels more Maria not yet gone through Born From A Wish scenario and thus just fulfilling her own role as James seducer to seduce him from reality to imagination. This is just my two cents on the take of the character.
Oct 23, 2024 While yes the OG Maria does deliver that line of “See I’m real” very deceptively almost like she doesn’t care about James’s suffering since she’s supposed to be seductive, I don’t think the remake Maria was necessarily trying to comfort James as it could also very well be interpreted that she was trying to convince herself that she was real and could be everything he needed. I don’t know if the music was added by Blooper team or the video creator but the voice direction in that like foe See…I’m real gives a pause In between that Maria desperately wants to be real and to the effect, take his mind off his stresses to just focus on her like you said The OG Maria sounds more flirty and fun but the remake one in that line sounds more desperate/comforting..
The original María is still better. The face is so attractive yet unsettling, and the performance of this monologue is done like she was channeling the memories of someone else.
Because that's what's happening the voice actress for Maria and Marry is the same, so in that scene, the actress is switching between Maria and Marry's personality and voice, working on a physiological level because there's basically two people in that scene communicating thorough Maria to James and us the player.
Remake looks great. But the original CG cutscenes are like art. Edit: the number of fanboys regurgitating the same “take off your nostalgia glasses” response like NPCs is just pathetic. I played Silent Hill in 2016 and I’ve already completed the remake. I even said the remake is great, all I did was praise the original game’s CG art direction, which was directed by Takayoshi Sato. If you’re truly a fan of the series, you would know how much of a genius that man was and how much he loved psychological horror. You can’t even praise the old game anymore with fanboys coming out of the word work to say that THEIR opinion is right and YOUR opinion is wrong. How dare you prefer the original?
its too much lighting, theres no shadows around her eyes, like the orginal she was creepy and horrifyingly beautiful , resembling a Ghost. she has no sinister look, she looks too human.
yeap hit the nail on the head. silent hill 2 lighting does so much heavy lifting its a core aspect to the game. and then on top of that the gaussian blur look, adding even more of a haunting look...its an easy fix though I just hope they actually listen to the criticism.
I think it's because they've gone with a less stylized and more realistic style for the game. I personally don't think it works for Silent Hill 2. Any of the games, really. Realistic graphics don't do it justice.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees this. SH2 is my least favorite SH game and even *I* cringe when Bloober Team misses important details like this. For what it's worth, there were a few things I appreciated about SH2 such as the music and that dark moody lighting. Especially with James's face in the beginning when he looks in the mirror. In older builds of the remake, the lighting was way too bright and his face was way too expressive. (He kinda looked like Drake Bell imo.) Glad they fixed that.
there is something really wrong with this scene in the remake...like is fake like is trying to capture something but is missing everything. In the original it was suposed to make you anxious about Mary's duality, and to give that restless sensation, not to mention the image completly which on purpose is darker wierder and so on. On the remake the scene is way to bright which takes a lot from the immersion
It kinda seems like its trying to make Maria feel like a more realistic and coherent person, without realizing that's entirely antithetical to the point. She's supposed to feel bizarre, it's supposed to feel confusing and to knock you off balance, she's not supposed to feel entirely real. Bloober really feels like they put effort in all the wrong places.
If you know that Bloober Team has not worked alone. Members of Team Silent OG have been working with them, even Akira Yamaoka has added new melodies to the remake's soundtrack. I think that insisting on looking for every flaw is wanting to be too picky, Silent Hill is one of my favorite sagas and after waiting for the result of the work of Bloober Team and the guys from Team Silent, I can say that I feel calm and satisfied. I know that this remake includes things that the original game did not have, due to the graphical limitations of the time, so, if you want to complain and criticize, leave your comments to those who started Silent Hill 2. So that they can dry their tears.
What bothers me is that her entire body stays completely still for the whole scene until she gets up. For real, pay attention to the body. They didn’t animate it at all lmao
I do think it must be a choice as opposed to laziness or something, but its def not a choice I like. Mary/Maria was meant to be one of the more expressive characters, its such a weird direction making her this stiff.
I just watched this clip 3 times and the OG Maria's body doesn move either l, so what the fuck? Jiust her head and shoulders move like the remake. Her fucking arms, hands, and legs don't move an inch either so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
@@stormy5452you can see her legs, arms and hands slightly move, just like in real life even if you're trying your best to stay still while sitting and talking there will be some sort of movement.
In the original scene, she leans forward subtly a couple of times. I can see that being a deliberate choice based on her demeanor on that part of the scene, which was more composed.
The original “I’m not your Mary” genuinely fills me with dread. It gives me the same feeling I get when I wake up and have sleep paralysis and feel the presence of something in my room. The feeling that something is off. It’s such a great delivery
The lack of shadow is a terrible decision. The eyes are the "windows to your soul", we as humans are evolved to look into the eyes of people and animals and get a connection or feeling from it. (Look at every single piece of art and cutscene screen grab from the original, all have shadows over the eyes.) The choice to put stark shadows over the eyes of the characters in the original was a purposeful choice, but bloober seems to have failed to realize why it was a better artistic choice to begin with and instead removed shadows there.
To me the orignal actually looks better?? As in more realistic, which is crazy considering it was made over 20 years ago. That game terrified me when it came out.
I also think the original is better. But don't expect to have the same feelings from before and use that to measure how good/bad the remake is. 1) The game won't surprise you in the same way as the original, you already know what will happen because it's the same story. 2) You are not a child anymore, you won't be scared in the same way, at least.
I think it's only Mary's Character model that is off in the remake. Every other character model in the remake from a technical aspect is an improvement.
@@eightcoins4401 the new model itself may be more detailed, with facial capture, but the original feels more alive. Remake mary is stiff and the lighting is so flat that it kills the drama and immersion.
The original is perfect. Look at Maria eyes, the shadows and the way she acts like nothing unusual is happening. In the Remake her voice is very robotic and she does not try to sound sweet when she plays her Mary side. It's what we got in a new Silent Hill game, It's ok I guess.
The realistic lighting of the remake removing the stylistic shadows makes the scene significantly less creepy. I still get chills every time i see the "Im not your Mary." Line
The new hair looks like a wig that got sprayed with enough hairspray to make it indestructible, add onto that the lackluster shadows and lighting, which make it look even stiffer. She has a helmet on her head, not hair.
@@SpaceMango anything pre-rendered in 2001 is going to look worse than anything rendered in real-time in 2024. The entire first Shrek movie is pre-rendered, but it definetly doesn't look better than PS5 Spiderman? Or maybe the 2001 Final Fantasy movie would be a better comparison since it was "mind-blowingly real" at the time
@@SpaceMangolol how is it not comparable? You're meaning to tell me in game graphics in 2024 couldn't catch up to what pre rendered cutscenes look like in 2001? Gaming is truly dead at this point 😂
The devil truly is in the details. Maybe I'm the asshole wearing rose-tinted glasses but the new depiction of Maria doesn't have any underlying, disturbing presence or menace. Monica Horgan's original performance had more depth and range as well. The difference in lighting is such a massive alteration of the tone and atmosphere as well. I'm curious to see the full thing for myself but I'm not inspired to think it'll be an improvement, as of now.
@@lewis2349 I guess people want to give it a chance and maybe are trying not to be too swayed by possible nostalgia goggles, but yeah when something is better its just better. I'm kinda still hoping that maybe, MAYBE, its them deliberately taking a new direction with the character, even if its one I don't like as much, and it'll become evident once we can experience the full story, but more likely its just an inferior take with no particular artistic vision behind it :/
@@olivia7782 exactly i already know and can see the writing on the wall cut content, filler and stretched out pacing. i own the ps2 and copy of sh2 why would i wanna support these modern audiences devs.
@@olivia7782Eh, I feel like the videogame industry as whole lacks an artistic vision because it's becoming stagnant. I mean, we're getting remakes of old popular videogames instead of ones that actually need it (why did SH2 get a remake before 1?), so what we now have is a bunch of new talents literally trying to copy a product made by people a few decades ago.
It's not nostalgia. The original is simply better. There's no law in the universe that says the original can't be better. You don't see many people calling the Child's Play remake better than the original film. Or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. Or the Jacob's Ladder remake. The original team understood what they set out to do. Bloober doesn't, and it shows. It's really that simple.
The original game is confident in its own strangeness. Team Silent was so good at giving off an uncanny and unsettling feel that it felt like they waren't even trying. The way even bright lighting completely obscures Maria's eyes here is haunting and extremely effective. The lighting in the remake is flatter, with far less contrast. Bloober opted for logic rather than artistry, and that's why I'm still not won over. Bloober's played the game, watched the cutscenes, but from what I've seen so far (all gameplay included) they've consistently failed to detect the nuances of a game that was wholly built on nuance. Even the added padding shown in the review copy streams have only helped hinder the pacing and experience that made the original a classic. Everything Bloober adds to this game takes something away, and you don't even have to look hard to see what.
The way she sits there just looks so... stiff. Doesnt fit at all; the body language is off. And why does she sound so bored? I think Maria's voice bothers me the most from the entire remake. Everything else actually looks great for the most part... Too bad they screwed up on something this major. Wonder if they'll still change something now... I'm glad they reworked James' model, he looks really good.
She does look stiff but I think they did that on purpose.. to make her look unnatural… i also feel James walk animation is a bit stiff also .. like he’s cold or something .. but it’s not a big deal… it’s like the only gripes I have right now .. everything else looks good imo
yeap, she is basically an old disney animatronic that got the stuck below the neck... I dont get how they made such obvious mistakes, its like, ok, you can land this thing... naaaah, we have done enough already, this scene is just a cheklist item.
@@SNESfan8 theres different types of unnatural. One makes you think, this Is otherwordly, supernatural. This one makes you think, this Is a badly done animation...
I like the original where Maria is kinda hunched forward, in a more "sympathizing" way as if she's talking to a little boy. Not sure why in the remake she's sticking her chest out, and her neck positioning looks weird. But well, it's impossible to come close to the original's perfection.
@@minoru8391 yes. Even the outfit, not sure why they had to overdress her and hide her charms. She is supposed to represent James' sexual repression and fantasy. She is supposed to look sexy and suggestive, not a freaking detective.
@@17MinstrelsAndPeasants Yep, In the original it looked like she was the one being kept away from james due to her being a negative influence on him as a way to indulge his fantasies of mary and maintain his delusions, whereas in the remake, it's like she's the one who's visiting james to interrogate him and then tries to console him, when in the original she's trying to enchant James to help her escape her cell. It's a fundemental misunderstanding of what maria was supposed to represent of James psyche.
@@Miuranger1 but isn't that the whole reason for James murdering his wife? Not being able to fulfil his sexual fantasies because of her sickness, that would later manifest through Maria? That seems like a big chunk of the story.
inb4 the comments people saying shes looking better in the than “OG” fuk tell me does she even acting and talking there? looks like shes want to get it done asap just from the words 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remake is conscious and is going in the direction of how most hollywood films would approach an abstract work. and OG is unconscious and doesn't wish to tell you it's a dream.
I’ve never play a single silent hill game before so I’m kinda fresh to the series. But am I the only one who think the og one is way better at voice acting and atmosphere and crepier than the new trailer? I’ll still give the remake a try when it’s come out tho
In the OG Maria is suppose to be playing on Jame's Lust mixed with other things/reasons... They sugar coated a lot of what's meant to be sexual and alluring. Don't know if its because they hired a DEI consultant thing (which is why you'll find old fans upset), or if its the actress own way of playing Maria. Not sure, but like i said, they "vanilla" out a lot of things just because they thought Team Silent did it for boys to have a hard on. When in fact it was purposely done for a crucial element that is suppose to make you have that sexual conflict after you find out exactly what happened in the end.
@@HeartTheEternal I am sure they understand that, it is not really dificult to understand and everybody that have played the game gets it, maybe they do like resident evil and they put a dlc to unlock the original outfit or when you beat the game, who knows, I like the new outfit and I think it does its purpuse but of course the original is more Iconic
Graphics aside, the performance is weaker. In the original Maria swaps between her "Maria" persona (sultry and cold) and her "Mary" persona. The "James Honey" lines come across almost mockingly or saccarine. And by the end she's flipped back to Maria. In this new one the actor reads everything flat and there's no sense of the personas shifting. Its much worse for it.
The new one tries too hard and misses the mark. Funny how a 20+ years old game has never been topped. Its still perfect in every detail. The only thing that's a bit off with the OG is the clunky controls, but can be adjusted to.
23 years of interpretation - and yet failing to create one of the most iconic scenes of the Silent HIll series. The remake improves the gameplay technically and of course the graphics; there is no debate here. However the development choice, to alter certain aspects of the game, the characters in particular, changes the tone, the eeriness and atmosphere of the silent hill. Everything which made this scene a classic; is lost here!
@mse7215 I just dont understand how people like you care so much about virtual 3d models in video games. The fact that this is your main criticism out of all the bs from this remake just reeks of loser activity
Well, technically the remake looks better (not by 10,000 though....that's a bit extreme.) I think what you mean is you prefer the look of the original, and so in that sense, it's better.
@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem Most parts seem decent for what it is, a remake for the masses, but I wouldn’t let this new Maria voice/acting through even if it was a stand-alone original game. Has nothing to do with nostalgia, unfortunatly, it's just bad voice-acting (or perhaps wrongly directed).
@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem tell me you havent played SH2 without actually telling me you havent played SH2. How tf are you supposed to defend this? This remake is undoubtedly going to lose a lot of nuance from the original
The og takes this scene, og Maria makes you feels like she is trying to comfort you but at the same time talking down on you and the lighting makes you feel uncomfortable, remake Maria was just talking down on you but coming out tone deaf and flat and the lighting is missing.
You are 100% right and I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion. because most people are simply toxic positive and like everything they see, screaming "shut up and take my money!" 🫠
They have big problems connecting their body and head. In Remake the character's body appears completely dead and motionless while the characters only twist their head and open their mouths. Just look at how she sits, perfect posture and her body doesn’t move at all. People don't sit like that. The original is much better!
the orginal has a music and tone to it, words are tender and echo like a melody...its full of longing, and attraction play. However, meanwhile... the new dialogue is just uh...dialogue...
Doesn't fit in Silent Hill vibes, it's not dark, sinister and mysterious, just bland unenthusiastic and predictable. Even new voice actor sounds just bored and tired, could be better.
Get the original on emulator with all sorts of QoL and graphics mods. That's the definitive way to experience this masterpiece. Not this outsourced revised "modern audience" cash grab.
The new Maria...it's like...I don't know...the way that she's sitting in the chair...at least they could replicated that from the original...and the way that she says the lines are so dull...yeah..
probably my favorite video game cutscene ever. I feel like people underestimate how much people are fond of silent hill 2, the new Maria cutscene is not good
yeh sh2 in my top 5 easily. anytime i hear the soundtrack i’m transported back it’s so good. this remake you couldn’t pay me to play it’s an insult to the original team silent and to the fans imo
Im hopeful for the remake, but the original of this scene has aged like fine wine. It oozes tension and every line feels manipulative, tender, even frightening….
The voice acting, the lighting, the expressions and even the fucking beauty LMAO, it lacks literally everything bro wtf. From wine to piss holy shit. Hotel scene was decent at least.
I honestly don't know what people saying the og had good voice acting are smoking. Don't get me wrong, I love the original, but the voice acting is a glaring flaw it has.
What in the world does putting remake in quotes even mean here? The word remake has no positive or negative connotations inherent to it. It meant nothing whatsoever to do that. Am I nitpicking your comment by saying this? Well, no more than you are this remake.
If no one can put there finger on way the original is so good let me help, that scene is probably the best acting in gaming we have seen, the actress isn't playing/voicing Maria only, she's switching between Marry and Maria's personality and voice throughout the scene, that's why it's so great the level of physiological play is lost on a lot of people and clearly Bloober Team, i 100% new they where gong to butcher this scene and they did.
This scene is foundational, and they’ve messed it up. It’s the first and only moment where Maria starts as Mary, then shifts to Maria’s seductive tone, and finally reveals herself completely with "I am not your Mary." It’s the moment we witness the duality of the character, which makes it so uncomfortable and terrifying. Now, she’s serious the entire time, without Mary’s warmth or Maria’s seduction and flirtation. Someone at Bloober Team clearly doesn’t understand what Silent Hill 2 is about. Very disappointed.
Me too. I don’t think the actress did a bad job but the delivery is so messed up she was obviously directed badly. Edit: After actually playing the game I will say she did a phenomenal job at portraying Maria in her own way and i think the remake is amazing and very respectful to the original
Even tho I think the positioning of Mary in the Remake is more sensual, imposing and dominant, the stiffness compared to the natural movements of the original and the clearly more professional voice acting in the PS2 version makes this remake looks really amateur, the characters don't have any memorable presence. The uncanniness of the professionalism in a 2001 game is what always sold Silent Hill 2 for me, it was such a contrast with the very basic gameplay, which is the only think really welcomed in this remake. But even that smells like amateurism, just like everything else.
I disagree completely. While I don't care for thrle outfit change I actually much prefer the deeper, stronger, and more serious new voice actress. I think the tension and tone comes through just fine and the way she hits the soft part of the voice at the end when she says she's real is golden to me.
I think this proves stylization can sometimes win over photorealism. What's important to note here too is the original was likely trying to mimic celluloid film, maybe even DV. Grain, thick black shadows. There's almost a bleach-bypassed look with the highlights being overexposed. In modern games they're not only trying look 'real' but are no longer mimicking film. So you have that Netflix Raw/Log look. Very high dynamic range, flat lighting, very little contrast. Id even argue that most modern, photorealistic games are not trying to mimic life through a camera lens at all. Which is why all that motion blur/DOF can look out of place. Maybe the new look also puts us further into uncanny-valley territory, as the more 'realistic' something looks the more it's obvious when the animations, clothing creases are all a little 'off'.
It is hard to get used to the new tone, its not bad its just very different to the original. "Im not your Mary" original was something that literally gave me chills the way she suddenly turned so scary. She talked to James like a child all the way up until that line...then she turned bitter and angry for no reason. It was genius to be honest. The original "Im not your Mary" was more impactful for me anyway. It scared me a little to be honest.
All they had to do is basically copy the original and they can't even do that hahahahaha You people excited for these deserve all the endless slop coming out.
I think the same! They didn't even have to make a game from scratch so you'd think they couldn't fail doing the remake but I feel disappointed just watching these scenes...The developers made this game without watching or playing a single episode of the original SH2🤦🏻♀️
Comparison of original and trash. What a robotic speech and emotionaless in the remake. And what about a part in the game where Maria speaks about the most fear in her life without any emotion on face or in voice. That ruins everything with that worst actress playing Maria.
The tone of the scene's been completely altered with both the more conservative outfit and and the accusatory delivery, as well as the altered progression of the scene where in the original where she went from warm and aloof to seductive and bewitching, whereas now she's suspicious and ridiculizing and then soothing, especially considering how surreal the original was, being the first time maria is seen since being killed by PH. The original shows both the personality of who mary was and who James wanted her to be as maria through dialogue and delivery as the scene progressed, when now she remains relatively subdued through the whole exchange. The setting of the scene, with Maria behind bars away from James, is now incongruous with the presentation of Maria in the remake, where it's almost like she's interrogating james, and not a poisonous influence trying to escape through manipulating James with her sexuality. Pyramid head served perfectly as a representation of James desire for punishment wihtout a single line of dialogue so having maria serve as this too is unnecessary. IMO This is a fundemental misunderstanding of what Maria was intended to represent about James and of Team Silent's original vision for SH2.
See, I don't hate the new cutscene, I think it is pretty good in fact. Hell, I think the latest trailers have been pretty good and I'm excited for the remake. But this particular cutscene in the original is so absolutely phenomenal, it's the one cutscene I hoped they nailed and the one cutscene I knew they would probably miss the mark. And they didn't nail it unfortunately, I still think it's good, but the og one is just art man. I like how in the og one Maria was toying with James, she was a bit more playful, bit more "friendly", but was more like a predator hiding it's true intentions to lure prey. The new one she is basically threatening the all the way, there's no slow transition to her sinister side. Also, the lighting. It's funny that the lighting in the remake is very similar to the non prerendered lighting of the original, so In that sense it is more faithful. But they should've gone with lighting similar to the pre-rendered cutscene instead, they most likely has that conversation during development and decided to match the in-game lighting instead, which I think was not a good choice.
tbh thats the vibe I get from this whole remake; maybe reaching "good" but missing all the more subtle and artful choices that made the original work as well as it did. They're trying, but the degree to which they really just don't GET the game seems like it may be too much to overcome.
After seeing this atrocious acting and how they've butchered all the iconic scenes like "I'm not your Mary" I won't be touching this turd of a remake with a 10-feet pole.
I might be wrong but this new Maria seems a lot more cold, I don't know if this is bad acting or they just tried to change her playful and sexy personality.
I hate being the grumpy nostalgic fan, but the og scene is so much better. I mean, theres something about her eyes, shadows and expressions that makes the scene misterious and disturbing. The remake one is just stiff and emotionless. I hope im wrong btw
The original versions of Maria are so much better. More haunting, more sexy and more ominous. The voice acting in the HD Collection is the best version, and if I have to order them, I'd say; 1. Silent Hill HD Collection Maria 2. Silent Hill 2 original Maria 3. Silent Hill 2 Remake Maria
The original is better because everything about her was for the plot, the old maria was seductive yet cold and cynical she seduces yet she shames you for being seduced by her, at the jail scene her changing demeanor from warm to stone cold is flawless, the way she says "I'm not your marry" still haunts my mind
It's lame the remake cut out the "don't you want to touch me, I can't do anything behind these bars... come get me" line. It was such a great line, and it was delivered really well from the original voice actress that put emphasis on Maria trying to seduce James. It made her feel more sinister. I guess it's too PrObLeMatiC for 2024.
The original SH2 cutscenes were pure gold. Almost like a Renaissance painting. I'm pretty excited for the remake. Too many people bashing on it how it'll never surpass the original. I think we all know that.
Well Angela (a character that was starved her whole life) is all of a sudden much bigger than her OG Maria (a manifestation of the town based on James' sexual urges) now looks much older than him and is covered up The Nurses (a manifestation of the town based on James sneaking a peak at the nurses while Mary was in the hospital) are now ALSO covered up And the cherry on top is the voice acting seems to miss the mark completely. It doesn't feel eerie anymore feels like they're reading off a script
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It's the eyes,
The 'missing' shadows over Maria's eyes made her seem more demonic... if that makes sense.
The better lighting of the Remake took it away.
the eyes, the stiff pose, the almost nonexistant movement from her body when talking.
It's because these devs don't have a artistic understanding of storytelling, their just trying to replicate what's already been done.
Shuuuuut up
@anthonyhaand if the devs tried to do something different, you guys just bitch
I do know it is a game.. But let's be real for a second.
If you were James. Which one "Mary" would you trust more? The one that looks demonic from the OG, or the one on the remake?
The tone is different, but if anything it does add credibility. To a certain extent.
The original “I’m not your Mary” is said with such disgust and bitterness I love it
Agree, the venom in that sole sentence was enough to prove the og is just better.
And the remastered version is SO BAD
The original "im not your Mary" has a more serious and sinister tone
For me, the original "I'm not your Mary" a bit more serious and trying to "seduce" James into her reality,
But in my opinion, the remake "I'm not your Mary" is more toward "Please don't make me a replacement of Mary" kind of tone, and in my opinion, it is suggesting that this Maria had gone through the truth from Born From A Wish scenario but still have enough of herself to be wanting acceptance.
@@stevenwongso66 that interpretation of Maria in the second part kinda defeats the purpose of her character. Maria is not a lover of James, she is there to torment him about his wife. Her dialogue, her looks, the way she dresses, all of it pokes at James' image and guilt towards his wife. She is a character that is formed from his love, lust, and guilt.
@@BoostedMonkey05 I agree with you, that she is James' punishment from Silent Hill.
However, regarding the second part of my comment. In my opinion, this also can be interpreted that, Maria in Remake, is she has gone through Born From A Wish and thus has realization of her true nature but she has awareness enough to be wanting acceptance. The development interaction from Ernest is still there.
The phrase, “See… I’m real.” Has a different tone. The remake gives that sad tone that Maria comforts James that she is real and he doesn’t have to worry about the pain since she can ease it away.
The original has that eerie vibe that Marie is aware of what James is going through his mind and plays him with deception. Making James question his reality which spirals him deeper.
I think the original Maria was trying to be seductive to distract james from how she alluded to knowing more than she lets on with what she said earlier, "Are you confusing me with someone else?" then that tone shifts when she says "im not your mary" affirming that she might hold distain for "mary" when she knows she the perfect girl for him then the tone shifts finally to "see im real, dont you wanna touch me?" "come and get me I cant do anything behind these bars." I think the remake lacks the cadence to allude to that which is unfortunate but like not story ruining
@@whyamihereshorts2230 IMO the original maria was more unnerving considering how easy going she was despite last being seen getting sliced in 2 only to then get hit with whiplash when she switches back to her vixen persona. The new maria behaves in reverse with her being cold initially only to then be soothing and doesn't have that same impression as the original. She acts more like a counsellor than the reincarnation of a dead wife by an ill man. I can't help but think that they missed the mark when replicating the original dynamic.
I felt a tone shift especially in "I'm not your Mary". The remake gives it a more neutral and monotone feel and is a bit unsettling with how robotic and unhuman it sounds.
In my opinion, the remake feels like this Maria has been gone through Born From A Wish scenario where she knows what her true purpose is through Ernest Baldwin. She wished to be real and that is why her saying "See, I am real" feels more of underlying begging to James to accept her as she is.
The original, feels more Maria not yet gone through Born From A Wish scenario and thus just fulfilling her own role as James seducer to seduce him from reality to imagination. This is just my two cents on the take of the character.
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While yes the OG Maria does deliver that line of “See I’m real” very deceptively almost like she doesn’t care about James’s suffering since she’s supposed to be seductive,
I don’t think the remake Maria was necessarily trying to comfort James as it could also very well be interpreted that she was trying to convince herself that she was real and could be everything he needed. I don’t know if the music was added by Blooper team or the video creator but the voice direction in that like foe See…I’m real gives a pause In between that Maria desperately wants to be real and to the effect, take his mind off his stresses to just focus on her like you said
The OG Maria sounds more flirty and fun but the remake one in that line sounds more desperate/comforting..
The original María is still better. The face is so attractive yet unsettling, and the performance of this monologue is done like she was channeling the memories of someone else.
Because that's what's happening the voice actress for Maria and Marry is the same, so in that scene, the actress is switching between Maria and Marry's personality and voice, working on a physiological level because there's basically two people in that scene communicating thorough Maria to James and us the player.
Way better
Better technology wielded by inferior artists.
@@wrong_planetKettle, pot
@@jamesmorris7844dawg what the fuk do u even fuking yapping?
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Remake looks great. But the original CG cutscenes are like art.
Edit: the number of fanboys regurgitating the same “take off your nostalgia glasses” response like NPCs is just pathetic. I played Silent Hill in 2016 and I’ve already completed the remake.
I even said the remake is great, all I did was praise the original game’s CG art direction, which was directed by Takayoshi Sato.
If you’re truly a fan of the series, you would know how much of a genius that man was and how much he loved psychological horror.
You can’t even praise the old game anymore with fanboys coming out of the word work to say that THEIR opinion is right and YOUR opinion is wrong. How dare you prefer the original?
They ARE art.
I think if you played the original back in the day you will prefer them. I prefer the ones personally.
@@PKM1010I also prefer the ones. Really good ones.
I miss this era of graphics
@@SilverGeFer
The ones are everything
its too much lighting, theres no shadows around her eyes, like the orginal she was creepy and horrifyingly beautiful , resembling a Ghost. she has no sinister look, she looks too human.
You're 100% correct
maybe a detail Bloober Team overlooked?
yeap hit the nail on the head. silent hill 2 lighting does so much heavy lifting its a core aspect to the game. and then on top of that the gaussian blur look, adding even more of a haunting look...its an easy fix though I just hope they actually listen to the criticism.
I think it's because they've gone with a less stylized and more realistic style for the game. I personally don't think it works for Silent Hill 2. Any of the games, really. Realistic graphics don't do it justice.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees this. SH2 is my least favorite SH game and even *I* cringe when Bloober Team misses important details like this. For what it's worth, there were a few things I appreciated about SH2 such as the music and that dark moody lighting. Especially with James's face in the beginning when he looks in the mirror. In older builds of the remake, the lighting was way too bright and his face was way too expressive. (He kinda looked like Drake Bell imo.) Glad they fixed that.
Original look like art, it don't need to look realistic, sharp and bright. Those shadows and over exposure are perfect like dreams.
It does look realistic though. I mean check out Maria at 0:55
Original still better in this scene than remake
Much better
The old one has more passion and emotion
No one beats Cameron Diaz.
Hell yeah, I always thought she would make an excellent Maria
@@lucien839 That's because OG Maria was based off of Cameron Diaz for her appearance
The master, Cameron Diaz?
@@ttenor12and her style is christina aguilera's
Sorry but Amanda is better. When she said "Jim is always liek dis for me" I cried
there is something really wrong with this scene in the remake...like is fake like is trying to capture something but is missing everything. In the original it was suposed to make you anxious about Mary's duality, and to give that restless sensation, not to mention the image completly which on purpose is darker wierder and so on. On the remake the scene is way to bright which takes a lot from the immersion
It kinda seems like its trying to make Maria feel like a more realistic and coherent person, without realizing that's entirely antithetical to the point. She's supposed to feel bizarre, it's supposed to feel confusing and to knock you off balance, she's not supposed to feel entirely real. Bloober really feels like they put effort in all the wrong places.
If you know that Bloober Team has not worked alone. Members of Team Silent OG have been working with them, even Akira Yamaoka has added new melodies to the remake's soundtrack. I think that insisting on looking for every flaw is wanting to be too picky, Silent Hill is one of my favorite sagas and after waiting for the result of the work of Bloober Team and the guys from Team Silent, I can say that I feel calm and satisfied. I know that this remake includes things that the original game did not have, due to the graphical limitations of the time, so, if you want to complain and criticize, leave your comments to those who started Silent Hill 2. So that they can dry their tears.
What bothers me is that her entire body stays completely still for the whole scene until she gets up. For real, pay attention to the body. They didn’t animate it at all lmao
I do think it must be a choice as opposed to laziness or something, but its def not a choice I like.
Mary/Maria was meant to be one of the more expressive characters, its such a weird direction making her this stiff.
That's deliberate
I just watched this clip 3 times and the OG Maria's body doesn move either l, so what the fuck? Jiust her head and shoulders move like the remake. Her fucking arms, hands, and legs don't move an inch either so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
@@stormy5452you can see her legs, arms and hands slightly move, just like in real life even if you're trying your best to stay still while sitting and talking there will be some sort of movement.
In the original scene, she leans forward subtly a couple of times. I can see that being a deliberate choice based on her demeanor on that part of the scene, which was more composed.
The original “I’m not your Mary” genuinely fills me with dread. It gives me the same feeling I get when I wake up and have sleep paralysis and feel the presence of something in my room. The feeling that something is off. It’s such a great delivery
The lack of shadow is a terrible decision. The eyes are the "windows to your soul", we as humans are evolved to look into the eyes of people and animals and get a connection or feeling from it.
(Look at every single piece of art and cutscene screen grab from the original, all have shadows over the eyes.)
The choice to put stark shadows over the eyes of the characters in the original was a purposeful choice, but bloober seems to have failed to realize why it was a better artistic choice to begin with and instead removed shadows there.
To me the orignal actually looks better?? As in more realistic, which is crazy considering it was made over 20 years ago. That game terrified me when it came out.
I also think the original is better.
But don't expect to have the same feelings from before and use that to measure how good/bad the remake is.
1) The game won't surprise you in the same way as the original, you already know what will happen because it's the same story.
2) You are not a child anymore, you won't be scared in the same way, at least.
I think it's only Mary's Character model that is off in the remake. Every other character model in the remake from a technical aspect is an improvement.
@@haiderkhan6486 u think square face angela and jabba the hut eddie is an improvement? delusional as fuck
I wouldn't say more realistic, its more so the original uses the lightning more atmospheric.
@@eightcoins4401 the new model itself may be more detailed, with facial capture, but the original feels more alive. Remake mary is stiff and the lighting is so flat that it kills the drama and immersion.
The original is perfect. Look at Maria eyes, the shadows and the way she acts like nothing unusual is happening. In the Remake her voice is very robotic and she does not try to sound sweet when she plays her Mary side. It's what we got in a new Silent Hill game, It's ok I guess.
There is something more real about the og cutscenes, its hard to describe
Hardly any emotion in remake Maria/Mary.
new maria: I'm 😐 not your😐 Mary 😐
The realistic lighting of the remake removing the stylistic shadows makes the scene significantly less creepy. I still get chills every time i see the "Im not your Mary." Line
OG Marias hair somehow looks more real than Remake Maria?
The new hair looks like a wig that got sprayed with enough hairspray to make it indestructible, add onto that the lackluster shadows and lighting, which make it look even stiffer. She has a helmet on her head, not hair.
Because the old one was a pre-rendered cutscene, the new one is real time render in the game engine. It's not really comparable.
@@SpaceMango anything pre-rendered in 2001 is going to look worse than anything rendered in real-time in 2024. The entire first Shrek movie is pre-rendered, but it definetly doesn't look better than PS5 Spiderman? Or maybe the 2001 Final Fantasy movie would be a better comparison since it was "mind-blowingly real" at the time
@@SpaceMangolol how is it not comparable? You're meaning to tell me in game graphics in 2024 couldn't catch up to what pre rendered cutscenes look like in 2001? Gaming is truly dead at this point 😂
The OG Maria will never be topped.
The devil truly is in the details. Maybe I'm the asshole wearing rose-tinted glasses but the new depiction of Maria doesn't have any underlying, disturbing presence or menace. Monica Horgan's original performance had more depth and range as well. The difference in lighting is such a massive alteration of the tone and atmosphere as well.
I'm curious to see the full thing for myself but I'm not inspired to think it'll be an improvement, as of now.
it’s night and day isn’t it i just can’t understand people defending it. a game from2001 has more effort and technical ambition
@@lewis2349 I guess people want to give it a chance and maybe are trying not to be too swayed by possible nostalgia goggles, but yeah when something is better its just better.
I'm kinda still hoping that maybe, MAYBE, its them deliberately taking a new direction with the character, even if its one I don't like as much, and it'll become evident once we can experience the full story, but more likely its just an inferior take with no particular artistic vision behind it :/
@@olivia7782 exactly i already know and can see the writing on the wall cut content, filler and stretched out pacing. i own the ps2 and copy of sh2 why would i wanna support these modern audiences devs.
@@olivia7782Eh, I feel like the videogame industry as whole lacks an artistic vision because it's becoming stagnant. I mean, we're getting remakes of old popular videogames instead of ones that actually need it (why did SH2 get a remake before 1?), so what we now have is a bunch of new talents literally trying to copy a product made by people a few decades ago.
It's not nostalgia. The original is simply better. There's no law in the universe that says the original can't be better. You don't see many people calling the Child's Play remake better than the original film. Or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. Or the Jacob's Ladder remake.
The original team understood what they set out to do. Bloober doesn't, and it shows. It's really that simple.
The original game is confident in its own strangeness. Team Silent was so good at giving off an uncanny and unsettling feel that it felt like they waren't even trying. The way even bright lighting completely obscures Maria's eyes here is haunting and extremely effective. The lighting in the remake is flatter, with far less contrast. Bloober opted for logic rather than artistry, and that's why I'm still not won over.
Bloober's played the game, watched the cutscenes, but from what I've seen so far (all gameplay included) they've consistently failed to detect the nuances of a game that was wholly built on nuance. Even the added padding shown in the review copy streams have only helped hinder the pacing and experience that made the original a classic. Everything Bloober adds to this game takes something away, and you don't even have to look hard to see what.
the art.
Original girl better
The way she sits there just looks so... stiff. Doesnt fit at all; the body language is off. And why does she sound so bored? I think Maria's voice bothers me the most from the entire remake. Everything else actually looks great for the most part... Too bad they screwed up on something this major. Wonder if they'll still change something now... I'm glad they reworked James' model, he looks really good.
She does look stiff but I think they did that on purpose.. to make her look unnatural… i also feel James walk animation is a bit stiff also .. like he’s cold or something .. but it’s not a big deal… it’s like the only gripes I have right now .. everything else looks good imo
yeap, she is basically an old disney animatronic that got the stuck below the neck... I dont get how they made such obvious mistakes, its like, ok, you can land this thing... naaaah, we have done enough already, this scene is just a cheklist item.
Yeah, she sounds like she's reading off the menu
@@SNESfan8 theres different types of unnatural. One makes you think, this Is otherwordly, supernatural. This one makes you think, this Is a badly done animation...
Shes just as stiff in the original. Though its easier to excuse on the ps2 than on modern consoles/pc.
I like the original where Maria is kinda hunched forward, in a more "sympathizing" way as if she's talking to a little boy.
Not sure why in the remake she's sticking her chest out, and her neck positioning looks weird. But well, it's impossible to come close to the original's perfection.
Exactly. Even the body language is important and they missed the mark so greatly
@@minoru8391 yes. Even the outfit, not sure why they had to overdress her and hide her charms. She is supposed to represent James' sexual repression and fantasy. She is supposed to look sexy and suggestive, not a freaking detective.
@@17MinstrelsAndPeasants Yep, In the original it looked like she was the one being kept away from james due to her being a negative influence on him as a way to indulge his fantasies of mary and maintain his delusions, whereas in the remake, it's like she's the one who's visiting james to interrogate him and then tries to console him, when in the original she's trying to enchant James to help her escape her cell. It's a fundemental misunderstanding of what maria was supposed to represent of James psyche.
They went from the seductive route
@@Miuranger1 but isn't that the whole reason for James murdering his wife? Not being able to fulfil his sexual fantasies because of her sickness, that would later manifest through Maria?
That seems like a big chunk of the story.
why is she so STIFF in the remake.
Kinda really wished It was Original Mary Actress.
Yeah you do not know the definition of what stiff means if you think that about the remake lmafo
inb4 the comments people saying shes looking better in the than “OG”
fuk tell me does she even acting and talking there? looks like shes want to get it done asap just from the words
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@@Angry-Skeletonoh shet found the one comment
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@@yusram8182 remakes are theft work and have been used to replace original art. I won't be buying this game.
Remake is conscious and is going in the direction of how most hollywood films would approach an abstract work.
and OG is unconscious and doesn't wish to tell you it's a dream.
excellent way to put it. Original is unintentionally uncanny, remake is too purposeful/intentional for its own good
Konami: Art direction? Who cares? We got graphics.
The old one has kinda darker vibe. It makes it creepier. The new one looks fine , but the old one is perfection haha.
Me
I love some remakes but not this one, I prefer the original despite never having played Silent Hill.
I’ve never play a single silent hill game before so I’m kinda fresh to the series. But am I the only one who think the og one is way better at voice acting and atmosphere and crepier than the new trailer? I’ll still give the remake a try when it’s come out tho
You're not the only one. New Maria's acting is so dull. OG Maria reminds you every second she's evil af
I'm in a similar place too. I only played the beginning of the first game. And no, I also think the voice acting is a million times better in the OG.
You saw a trailer with no music and no context, wait to judge
In the OG Maria is suppose to be playing on Jame's Lust mixed with other things/reasons... They sugar coated a lot of what's meant to be sexual and alluring. Don't know if its because they hired a DEI consultant thing (which is why you'll find old fans upset), or if its the actress own way of playing Maria. Not sure, but like i said, they "vanilla" out a lot of things just because they thought Team Silent did it for boys to have a hard on. When in fact it was purposely done for a crucial element that is suppose to make you have that sexual conflict after you find out exactly what happened in the end.
@@HeartTheEternal I am sure they understand that, it is not really dificult to understand and everybody that have played the game gets it, maybe they do like resident evil and they put a dlc to unlock the original outfit or when you beat the game, who knows, I like the new outfit and I think it does its purpuse but of course the original is more Iconic
That new leather jacket makes Maria feel different..
Graphics aside, the performance is weaker. In the original Maria swaps between her "Maria" persona (sultry and cold) and her "Mary" persona. The "James Honey" lines come across almost mockingly or saccarine. And by the end she's flipped back to Maria. In this new one the actor reads everything flat and there's no sense of the personas shifting. Its much worse for it.
If you understand the art fundamental of values, you'll understand why the original looks so amazing still.
The new one tries too hard and misses the mark. Funny how a 20+ years old game has never been topped. Its still perfect in every detail. The only thing that's a bit off with the OG is the clunky controls, but can be adjusted to.
Some of us will have to engage in full suspension of disbelief to be able to enjoy certain parts of this game
they had one job... how are you gonna mess up my maria like that...
23 years of interpretation - and yet failing to create one of the most iconic scenes of the Silent HIll series.
The remake improves the gameplay technically and of course the graphics; there is no debate here. However the development choice, to alter certain aspects of the game, the characters in particular, changes the tone, the eeriness and atmosphere of the silent hill. Everything which made this scene a classic; is lost here!
Original Maria - captivating, mysterious, hypnotic, seductive.
New Maria - bland
Yeah, I gotta say, the OG Maria really nailed the seductive vibe.
The Remake one is ugly too, I just don't understand how can't they fine a nice good looking feminine women in gaming industry nowadays.😅
@@mse7215Tf u on? The remake Maria is gorgeous.
totally agreed
@mse7215 I just dont understand how people like you care so much about virtual 3d models in video games. The fact that this is your main criticism out of all the bs from this remake just reeks of loser activity
The CG in the original was made by just one guy and yet it looks 10.000 times better
Well, technically the remake looks better (not by 10,000 though....that's a bit extreme.)
I think what you mean is you prefer the look of the original, and so in that sense, it's better.
@@huzidamasta nope, not only does the original version look better artistically but has better animation and voice acting
@tabbofii I'm talking strictly technical here. The remake TECHNICALLY looks superior. I mean that's incontrovertible.
@@huzidamasta You're right. But it still hurts the eyes.
Still CG
I've never seen anything more soulless in my life than this remake.
cry about it and take off the nostalgia classes lmfaooo
@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem Most parts seem decent for what it is, a remake for the masses, but I wouldn’t let this new Maria voice/acting through even if it was a stand-alone original game. Has nothing to do with nostalgia, unfortunatly, it's just bad voice-acting (or perhaps wrongly directed).
It feels like the remake of "Psycho". It's technically faithful to the original but it has NO soul.
@@YousefMohamedAbdulMoniem tell me you havent played SH2 without actually telling me you havent played SH2. How tf are you supposed to defend this? This remake is undoubtedly going to lose a lot of nuance from the original
Clearly haven’t looked in the mirror
The og takes this scene, og Maria makes you feels like she is trying to comfort you but at the same time talking down on you and the lighting makes you feel uncomfortable, remake Maria was just talking down on you but coming out tone deaf and flat and the lighting is missing.
Yeah the talking down feeling is so true
Original 10 times better.
Hard to improve on perfection.
Keep complaining
Dont worry, its only matter of time when modders will made mods with original character models in high res and old va sounds, town looks great already
Na don't like it at all.
Better graphics, better voice.
OG Maria could just stare at you, not say a word and you already feel the tension. Remake Maria is... well ... She just doesn't draw you in.
I keep saying this - the voice direction in this game is just sooo off.
You are 100% right and I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion. because most people are simply toxic positive and like everything they see, screaming "shut up and take my money!" 🫠
There is no reason to buy or want a remake sh2 is perfect nothing will be better
It’s ugly in multiple levels and lacks subtlety. Might have better technology (graphics) sure but it’s just empty.
The new one just makes me wanna walk away. She has that annoying arrogant tone that just pisses me off. She’s not drawing me in, she’s drawing me out
ITS OVER there is no debate, original will always be the best and the only silent hill 2 game.
That voice acting in the jail scene remake is atrocious
Maria's voice in the remake version sounds like a robot......🤨😓
She looks more animated in the original. She looks kinda stiff in the remake.
Yes
She is still pretty stiff in the original in cutscenes, its just easier to excuse in a ps2 game.
The remake Maria's head looks like being snapped a s her pose looks forcefully posed into that chair. Amateur.
Yeah, the OG will never be replaced. They can take this game and throw it with the other "modern audience" fiascos.
her face model is giving “generic NPC” vibes on the remake. It’s not badly done, it’s just generic. The original one has more identity
They have big problems connecting their body and head. In Remake the character's body appears completely dead and motionless while the characters only twist their head and open their mouths. Just look at how she sits, perfect posture and her body doesn’t move at all. People don't sit like that. The original is much better!
Right? she looks like a lifeless mannequin in the remake. Maria has never been that stiff.
remake, more like soulless demake
the orginal has a music and tone to it, words are tender and echo like a melody...its full of longing, and attraction play.
However, meanwhile... the new dialogue is just uh...dialogue...
In the remake, she gives off this taunting, provocative aura. Just her pose alone. As if she was enjoying the mockery. An interesting take!
Doesn't fit in Silent Hill vibes, it's not dark, sinister and mysterious, just bland unenthusiastic and predictable. Even new voice actor sounds just bored and tired, could be better.
Maria in the remake felt flat. I don't know what happened, like there's barely any emotion. Same thing with Ada in Re4 remake for me.
The original one is better by a mile. 😑
They should've copied how maria was lighted in the original. The lighting was so good that you just see black pits on her eyes.
the VA sounds a bit like she wasnt trying
god the new one sucks so bad it’s not seductive at all it just sounds like she’s reading it normally. demake.
Get the original on emulator with all sorts of QoL and graphics mods. That's the definitive way to experience this masterpiece. Not this outsourced revised "modern audience" cash grab.
The new Maria...it's like...I don't know...the way that she's sitting in the chair...at least they could replicated that from the original...and the way that she says the lines are so dull...yeah..
probably my favorite video game cutscene ever.
I feel like people underestimate how much people are fond of silent hill 2, the new Maria cutscene is not good
yeh sh2 in my top 5 easily. anytime i hear the soundtrack i’m transported back it’s so good. this remake you couldn’t pay me to play it’s an insult to the original team silent and to the fans imo
오리지널 마리아 : 영화의 주인공급
리메이크 마리아 : 미국의 평범한 주부1
Can't wait for the "ANYWAY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ANYWAY?"
peak vs mediocracy
OG>Remake
Im hopeful for the remake, but the original of this scene has aged like fine wine. It oozes tension and every line feels manipulative, tender, even frightening….
The voice acting, the lighting, the expressions and even the fucking beauty LMAO, it lacks literally everything bro wtf. From wine to piss holy shit. Hotel scene was decent at least.
I honestly don't know what people saying the og had good voice acting are smoking. Don't get me wrong, I love the original, but the voice acting is a glaring flaw it has.
old is gold
Its crazy that developers with technology from almost 23 years ago were able to produce way better animations and lighting than in this "remake"
What in the world does putting remake in quotes even mean here? The word remake has no positive or negative connotations inherent to it. It meant nothing whatsoever to do that. Am I nitpicking your comment by saying this? Well, no more than you are this remake.
@@Life_and_Gaming Well in a rolling stone article the lead dev even said he avoids the term remake. Even the devs are pretty much saying it.
@@SolidRaiden2655 I feel like we should start calling them revisions, as that's what most of these modern remakes end up being.
You summed up all modern remakes in a nutshell
Welcome to the world of Indian modelers and animators
If no one can put there finger on way the original is so good let me help, that scene is probably the best acting in gaming we have seen, the actress isn't playing/voicing Maria only, she's switching between Marry and Maria's personality and voice throughout the scene, that's why it's so great the level of physiological play is lost on a lot of people and clearly Bloober Team, i 100% new they where gong to butcher this scene and they did.
This scene is foundational, and they’ve messed it up. It’s the first and only moment where Maria starts as Mary, then shifts to Maria’s seductive tone, and finally reveals herself completely with "I am not your Mary." It’s the moment we witness the duality of the character, which makes it so uncomfortable and terrifying. Now, she’s serious the entire time, without Mary’s warmth or Maria’s seduction and flirtation. Someone at Bloober Team clearly doesn’t understand what Silent Hill 2 is about. Very disappointed.
It appears nobody at Bloober Team or Konami understands shit about SH2.
100% agree
Me too. I don’t think the actress did a bad job but the delivery is so messed up she was obviously directed badly. Edit:
After actually playing the game I will say she did a phenomenal job at portraying Maria in her own way and i think the remake is amazing and very respectful to the original
Even tho I think the positioning of Mary in the Remake is more sensual, imposing and dominant, the stiffness compared to the natural movements of the original and the clearly more professional voice acting in the PS2 version makes this remake looks really amateur, the characters don't have any memorable presence. The uncanniness of the professionalism in a 2001 game is what always sold Silent Hill 2 for me, it was such a contrast with the very basic gameplay, which is the only think really welcomed in this remake. But even that smells like amateurism, just like everything else.
I disagree completely. While I don't care for thrle outfit change I actually much prefer the deeper, stronger, and more serious new voice actress. I think the tension and tone comes through just fine and the way she hits the soft part of the voice at the end when she says she's real is golden to me.
I think this proves stylization can sometimes win over photorealism.
What's important to note here too is the original was likely trying to mimic celluloid film, maybe even DV. Grain, thick black shadows. There's almost a bleach-bypassed look with the highlights being overexposed.
In modern games they're not only trying look 'real' but are no longer mimicking film.
So you have that Netflix Raw/Log look. Very high dynamic range, flat lighting, very little contrast. Id even argue that most modern, photorealistic games are not trying to mimic life through a camera lens at all. Which is why all that motion blur/DOF can look out of place.
Maybe the new look also puts us further into uncanny-valley territory, as the more 'realistic' something looks the more it's obvious when the animations, clothing creases are all a little 'off'.
very well said
She just sounds like dhes having a regular conversation in the remake
It's not nostalgia, the new scenes are modern but lifeless
It is hard to get used to the new tone, its not bad its just very different to the original. "Im not your Mary" original was something that literally gave me chills the way she suddenly turned so scary. She talked to James like a child all the way up until that line...then she turned bitter and angry for no reason. It was genius to be honest. The original "Im not your Mary" was more impactful for me anyway. It scared me a little to be honest.
All they had to do is basically copy the original and they can't even do that hahahahaha
You people excited for these deserve all the endless slop coming out.
bloober ain’t gonna anything from me. if you decide to buy it your voting for more modern slop that simple.
I think the same! They didn't even have to make a game from scratch so you'd think they couldn't fail doing the remake but I feel disappointed just watching these scenes...The developers made this game without watching or playing a single episode of the original SH2🤦🏻♀️
Comparison of original and trash. What a robotic speech and emotionaless in the remake. And what about a part in the game where Maria speaks about the most fear in her life without any emotion on face or in voice. That ruins everything with that worst actress playing Maria.
Lol what a clown opinion 🤡
My the "promise" hits just the right strings! Great editing job!
seems like original has more emotion
The tone of the scene's been completely altered with both the more conservative outfit and and the accusatory delivery, as well as the altered progression of the scene where in the original where she went from warm and aloof to seductive and bewitching, whereas now she's suspicious and ridiculizing and then soothing, especially considering how surreal the original was, being the first time maria is seen since being killed by PH.
The original shows both the personality of who mary was and who James wanted her to be as maria through dialogue and delivery as the scene progressed, when now she remains relatively subdued through the whole exchange. The setting of the scene, with Maria behind bars away from James, is now incongruous with the presentation of Maria in the remake, where it's almost like she's interrogating james, and not a poisonous influence trying to escape through manipulating James with her sexuality.
Pyramid head served perfectly as a representation of James desire for punishment wihtout a single line of dialogue so having maria serve as this too is unnecessary. IMO This is a fundemental misunderstanding of what Maria was intended to represent about James and of Team Silent's original vision for SH2.
See, I don't hate the new cutscene, I think it is pretty good in fact.
Hell, I think the latest trailers have been pretty good and I'm excited for the remake.
But this particular cutscene in the original is so absolutely phenomenal, it's the one cutscene I hoped they nailed and the one cutscene I knew they would probably miss the mark.
And they didn't nail it unfortunately, I still think it's good, but the og one is just art man.
I like how in the og one Maria was toying with James, she was a bit more playful, bit more "friendly", but was more like a predator hiding it's true intentions to lure prey.
The new one she is basically threatening the all the way, there's no slow transition to her sinister side.
Also, the lighting. It's funny that the lighting in the remake is very similar to the non prerendered lighting of the original, so In that sense it is more faithful.
But they should've gone with lighting similar to the pre-rendered cutscene instead, they most likely has that conversation during development and decided to match the in-game lighting instead, which I think was not a good choice.
tbh thats the vibe I get from this whole remake; maybe reaching "good" but missing all the more subtle and artful choices that made the original work as well as it did.
They're trying, but the degree to which they really just don't GET the game seems like it may be too much to overcome.
The original is just perfect 👌.. the superior version..
After seeing this atrocious acting and how they've butchered all the iconic scenes like "I'm not your Mary" I won't be touching this turd of a remake with a 10-feet pole.
real fans will be playing the only silent hill 2 not this millennial tv show version
I might be wrong but this new Maria seems a lot more cold, I don't know if this is bad acting or they just tried to change her playful and sexy personality.
I hate being the grumpy nostalgic fan, but the og scene is so much better. I mean, theres something about her eyes, shadows and expressions that makes the scene misterious and disturbing. The remake one is just stiff and emotionless. I hope im wrong btw
The remake looks and feels like a soulless AAA game, James doesn't look damaged and Mary sounds like she's really is dead.
The tone of original is magic, too expresive... The remake sounds like a bot... Silent ChatGpt
I remember how I thought the OG uses real human for a sec as a kid 😂
The original versions of Maria are so much better. More haunting, more sexy and more ominous. The voice acting in the HD Collection is the best version, and if I have to order them, I'd say;
1. Silent Hill HD Collection Maria
2. Silent Hill 2 original Maria
3. Silent Hill 2 Remake Maria
The original is better because everything about her was for the plot, the old maria was seductive yet cold and cynical she seduces yet she shames you for being seduced by her, at the jail scene her changing demeanor from warm to stone cold is flawless, the way she says "I'm not your marry" still haunts my mind
Remake: Starfield NPC 🗑️
OG: Masterpiece
"After. We. Got. Separated. In. That. Long. Hallway. 🤖"
'the voice is much bettrer in the original
It's lame the remake cut out the "don't you want to touch me, I can't do anything behind these bars... come get me" line. It was such a great line, and it was delivered really well from the original voice actress that put emphasis on Maria trying to seduce James. It made her feel more sinister. I guess it's too PrObLeMatiC for 2024.
The original SH2 cutscenes were pure gold. Almost like a Renaissance painting. I'm pretty excited for the remake. Too many people bashing on it how it'll never surpass the original. I think we all know that.
Well Angela (a character that was starved her whole life) is all of a sudden much bigger than her OG
Maria (a manifestation of the town based on James' sexual urges) now looks much older than him and is covered up
The Nurses (a manifestation of the town based on James sneaking a peak at the nurses while Mary was in the hospital) are now ALSO covered up
And the cherry on top is the voice acting seems to miss the mark completely. It doesn't feel eerie anymore feels like they're reading off a script