I just realized that Angela’s and Eddie’s versions of Silent Hill are the exact opposite of one another. Angela’s world is full of flames and Eddie’s is icy cold.
Angela and Eddie as characters represent two ends of a spectrum between internalizing and externalizing. Despite never having any kind of association in the game, they parallel each other thematically
@@watching7721 read somebody else said, Angela is giving up, while Eddie is giving in. I think that's very apt and probably right on the money. James can mirror both of them: giving up to get the In Water ending, and giving in to get the Maria ending.
What's unfortunate about this is you can desire to save her all you want but only she can save herself. You could save a person from a situation but you cannot save them from themselves.
Recently had someone like this in my life. I tried to help her out of her situation but she just fell back into it again. I think that’s why Angela’s story hit so hard for me.
James is right that she deserves to be loved and cared for, but Angela refuses to forgive herself for her past and trauma. If the recent diacussion is to be believed, Silent Hill 2 remake, it's that the people inside it are trapped in a loop until they can find the purpose and strength to leave it. James was also stuck in there until Laura appeared, and James found the strength in one version of the ending to leave it, which is also considered canon. Death in Silent Hill is meaningless as long as the soul survives.
I love how by the end of the game you can see the physicality and hear in the voices how exhausted everyone in the cast is. Seeing Angela just give up rather than emote the emotional inflection at the end is genuinely unnerving. Bravo.
@@adamthompson9785 Not really, the original voice actor for Angela, Donna Burke, also did Clauda Wolf in SH3. They could bring Luke for another role in the future.
"Have it your way. It doesn't change anything." I like that they added this for Angela. The reason you cannot save Angela is because she already made up her mind. It doesn't matter if James (or you) disagrees or not.
For most trauma victims it is a get go position. Most people who need help do not need it cause they are 'undecided' but because they decided firmly on a self-destruction.
James couldn't see the flames; he could only feel their scorching heat. Meanwhile, we caught a glimpse of the version of Silent Hill to which Angela was bound.
yup I appreciated that. He couldn't see the flames, we the viewers could. which could explain why James doesn't even bother stopping her from ascending the staircase, probably can't even tell what she's thinking
@@iqbalseptian34 Abstract Daddy is not the same monster angela sees. Each person has ther own otherworld that no one else can see most times. Somtimes it can bleed over as seen here where james can feel the heat or as we see the first time we enter the prison and can see snow falling from a vent onto the dead body. Angelas otherworld is on fire, Eddies world seems to invovle the cold in some way, and james is the decaying moldy look (to match Mary slowly withering away)
the water ending is not canon as in the original he says "me? no... id never kill myself" which is a line removed in the remake just so that people dont dismiss the in water ending
@@moeftw6792i think the in water ending is very much canon ngl. James look at the lake when he first comes to the town which shows he thinking about it. Then he’s in the water while Angela is up on the staircase. Even the long boat ride. Plus his talk with Mary seems more realistic. When James stated “I don’t wanna kill myself” he seemed very unsure like he is most of the game
@@Flipyoutoo yeah the leave ending is canon people are coping hard ngl, in water makes the most sense with who james is at the core, a hopeless coward with crippling guilt and self hatred
I just love In Water ending because of how well it is acted out and directed in the remake specifically. With the way James is saying the things he is saying and the way he looks in the mirror at the back seat and then slowly glances back (and his eyes, I'd never thought I would say this about a videogame character, but those are the eyes of a completely broken man who had lost any hope and will to continue with his life). Yes, it's crashing my soul, but it's so well made. In the OG I've always preferred the Leave ending though.
@@DopeSmoke916 Yeah, wouldn't call him a coward in a normal sense. Just a guy with a completely broken psyche. Couldn't handle his wife disease, changes in her personality, couldn't handle her suffering and to see her like that. And then couldn't handle what he's done to stop it. Can't blame him, guilt is a bitch. So he came to SH initially to off himself after all that and I feel like that's the most likely scenario for him in the end.
I love the emotions in James’s face when he exits the room, after what he had just seen in the videotape, he knows he can’t be there for Angela let alone himself.
@@fulcrum6760 Downpour is by different writers and a different team who basically bought the IP name to make a game. As far we can tell James has been in a loop too, not just the others.
She sounds completely worn out and without energy. It represents more depression and trauma. I believe that the remake does not exist to replace the original, it is just a complement. Like Black Mesa and Half Life, both can exist together.
Hard cope. Angelas delivery is just bad the way she says ,will you love me sounds like she is reading a line. While on the original its more realistic, she is loud almost angry and mocking ,she points that out ,because she already knows the answer is "no" ,thats exactly how a depressed person would talk to someone who are just all talk ,but dont really want to actively help. The line "Thats what I thought " says that she had this kind of converations before ,and she knew its all just talk. Sorry but you dont know anything how people behave,because thats not it.
@@doriansz3130people with depression don’t act one way only 💀you aren’t smart for this comment you come across as narrow minded depression is hard to treat specifically because of how wide range of actions and coping mechanisms there are, not everyone deals with it the same do your research, both the remake and original do excellent with this scene with 2 interpretations instead of a copy paste
Angela's story is just heartbreaking, imagine being physically and sexually abused by your Father and your role model Older Brother, where not only your mother never protected you but blamed you for having a provocative approach. I really wish there was a chance to save Angela, she didn't deserve that hell
I feel like im the only one who thinks they did a beautiful job on this scene. Her voice is so much more distressed in the remake I feel like it hits more.
@@arcticwolf6402 Calling out nostalgia without presenting any other argument to support the new over the old is just an example of reverse bias. It's getting exhausting to see this term repeated in these discussions, often just to dismiss differing opinions. The argument seems to be: "This is new, it didn’t have the same production limitations, so it must be better." But that’s not necessarily the case. This viewpoint disregards the creative merits of both teams, implying that the ultimate experience, whether good or bad, is determined solely by technology and budget. Creative decisions differ, leading to varying results. The acting, for instance, isn't automatically better because it uses motion capture; if poorly executed, it could be worse. I'm not saying the new one is bad; I’m saying that just because it's new doesn’t inherently make it better. People have more reasons to appreciate the older version than simply "nostalgia glasses."
This shit is so good. You can really feel how defeated each of them are, the whole situation feels dreadful and miserable and it’s perfect for this game
I love the subtle change of how James no longer says he would never kill himself after Angela asks if he saving the knife for himself. It makes the In Water ending much more plausible in the remake.
I love the expression Angela makes when James says ‘It’s hot as hell in here’ before she turns to him. A nice detail of her realizing he can see the flames, before she says it.
The way James walked out of the room is how I would in my dreams. He really looks like he’s in a nightmare but isn’t aware of it or something. They did an Amazing job with that
they removed it because In water is the canon ending, they even added James looking at the back seat of his car during in water because Mary's dead body is there as Masahiro Ito always said through the years.
Because she knows that James is just as broken as she is, and that there's nothing he can do to actually help her. His words are nothing but platitudes that are as empty as he is, and he knows that as well as she does.
James is also a creep to a sexual degree. Invading Angela's space in their first two meetings, which changed after fighting her dad. Understandable since James has so much repressed sexual energy that he would be inadvertently creepy, trying to touch her, not backing off, mostly because he doesn't really care about her. He doesn't want to hurt her, but he's a weirdo. And Angela knows that. That why she confronts him here. He's so broken that Angela has to demean his attempts to help her. No one can save or understand her, especially not James
@thoet7270 Indeed. Repression born of frustration, stress, and abuse from his wife when he just wanted to help her. The poor guy is so broken, he has no way of reading the room, or seeing how what he does isn't as good as he thinks it is. He thinks he has good intentions, but I don't think he really knows that for sure. He keeps telling himself he wants Mary back, but his time with Mary, and seeing how vulnerable Angela seems, has made some of that repressed sexual frustration emerge in ways he's not even fully aware of. Hence why Angela calls him out. She knows sexual frustrations in men, as she suffered the worst of such at the hands of her father, and possibly brother too. Something that James, as you said, can't possibly understand.
Hollow? He was actually quite caring if you look through all the cut scenes, he does his best under the circumstances but didn't know what her issue was until late in the game.
I felt it a nice touch how it slowly stopped playing 2:40. To me, that made the final lines impactful in a different way. The lack of music made it sink in more that isn't a "dreamscape" James is looking at. This is Angela's reality.
Agreed. Angela felt flat in this one. It’s like in silent hill 1, if Lisa doesn’t get her iconic music when she transforms, it will just lack the punch
@@Pikaru-c4u nah, it’s what Angela sees. Her “world” is always on fire. And honestly? What makes it more tragic, is that she felt she deserved what happened to her, she really didn’t.
Geez I wanna give angela a hug and somewhere safe to be. Breaks my heart how she just gave up and accepted her fate, it’s like that for some folk. Its tragic.
The voice actors did such a good job. I remember playing the original 20 years ago and it sounded a little cartoony/overly dramatic. This sounds a conversation between real people who have experienced real trauma.
It really loses some of the scorn that's so effective in the original. I can understand wanting to tone down some of the energy (though I think in the original that gives her a very teenage energy which fits nicely with the point she's stuck in) but imo they went too far in the opposite direction.
@acruxx763 PTSD can have a wide range of presentations with hyperarousal and intense emotional affect being a common presentation. While someone having dulled affect, responsiveness, and reaction times is also an accurate presentation the original is also reasonable for such a complex condition. As for feeling the original has more hope... we'll have to disagree. The "Thank you for saving me bit I wish you hadn't" and "I deserved this" sound significantly more distressed and despairing to my ear. I respect what the remake was going for (with the exception of removing the "I would never kill myself" line) I just don't find it landed as effectively in many cases.
@@spellbound1875 People with complex ptsd have trouble expressing and regulating their emotions. Which is why she sounds very emotionless and dissociated
She sounded completely dead inside. All of those years of hell and experiencing it again in the town, she believed she couldn't be saved and was beyond it.
Now that they've come this far, I feel like the studio should make a short DLC from Angela's perspective. I'd love to see what her version of SH looks like from the moment she meets us in the graveyard
I’d love that, she’s one of my favorite characters in the series. I feel so sorry for her, having to live through all that trauma, be haunted by it for years after, only to face it all again in SH’s twisted design… I think she deserved to make it out of that town, and to have a better life after…
1:56 In original she is looking right in the camera like she is talking to a player not James. They really missed that detail... or changed it on purpose.
And in original the is saying this lines with ironic aggresive tone, and in remake she just dont care, i miss this detail because she show her great hatred for man and James in general
@@mattcollins3591 Angela is supposed to sound manic from her experiences. She's meant to sound like that in the original, so you know something's wrong with her. It wasn't JUST trauma it was mind altering trauma that ruined her life and her voice in the original portrayed that. Every character except Laura had one of these unique talking patterns based off their mental problems. James had a disassociated tone because he was closing himself off emotionally and unable to express even fear or trepidation at that point. Eddie was in a psychosis and Angela was having mania mixed with bipolar outbursts due to her broken mental state. Maria is supposed to switch between Mary and her's demeanor with a verbal cue. These aren't present in the remake and it's an overall loss.
That would've made it so much worse. James trying to reach out is giving "I can fix her!" vibes. Angela literally condemns James for even thinking of saving her, thematically, that feels deserved because he doesn't deserve to fix help someone broken when he himself is so broken and damaged as well. There is no saving, she has to walk her path
Wait a minute.. "you're the only one left, maybe now I can rest" was... she going to kill her as well to free herself of the torment?? Sounds like it to me... maybe thats why Angela is In SH.
@@johnlawful2272 In the novelization it's revealed that Angela's mother pretended to not know of the abuse for years until she finally couldn't handle it more and blamed Angela for it before leaving the family home forever, leaving Angela at the mercy of her father and brother (who also sexually abused her once he grew up). Angela is looking for her mother in Silent Hill because it's theorized she thinks she lives there, but that's left ambiguous. When James asks her if her mother lived in Blue Creek apartments in the mirror scene Angela freaks out because she thinks James is stalking her, as she has androphobia or deep fear of men, not only because of her experience with her father and brother, but also the men at her part-time job (that she was forced to take after her mother left) started to sexualize her and even grope her and objectify her.
While I like both versions of this scene, OG takes it for one reason: When Angela asks if James will love her, take care of her, and heal all her pain, the camera is from James’s perspective, making it seem like she’s asking the player directly, just adds those extra brass knuckles to that gut punch.
Gianna's delivery is just so much better though. She really does sound completely broken, world-weary, cynical...I wanted to scream "yes" to her, hold her, tell her that I would love her and treat her with the kindness and respect she's deserved all her life.
i feel like whether in the original or in this version, the thing that made this so impactful for me is that it doesn't happen that people see each other's silent hills, so the fact that james can actually see angela's, and she even seems surprised that he can see it too, kinda suggests to me that this would have been the point that angela could have maybe opened up more to james and potentially gotten help and recovery, should she have wanted it. it's like it's the one and only chance that someone could have maybe convinced her otherwise but then it wouldn't have happened anyway since she made up her mind. i just always thought that was a cool detail because the characters only see silent hill through their own eyes and psyches.
In many ways, James and Angela's paths cross as a test for each other. For James, meeting Angela is a crucible of judgement, punishment, and atonement. For Angela, James represents a chance for salvation and to believe she is worth saving. Ultimately, you have to *allow* salvation in. In this way, Angela fails her test, too entrenched in the fire of her trauma and suffering, and rejects James' empathy out of her sense of worthlessness; that she is *beyond* saving. This shows James the limits of his empathy, and that some things cannot be changed, which in many ways mirrors the limits he reached with Mary, in not truly being able to heal her pain.
True. The concept of only you who can see your worst nightmare is so simple yet effective and can be really creative. I'm surprised SH was the first one to do that.
@@zenicehero9154fuuuuck no she would be a terrible mother and I don’t mean to be disrespectful. There are many people in this world who were abused like Angela and eventually made it out to become a good parent but it took sheer willpower, luck, the right support, and a lot of life and therapy. Angela’s just a kid with 0 ability to save herself, and she’s in silent hill, she’s fucked. She can’t be mother to anyone, she’s emotionally stunted. It would be beautiful for her to walk out, the three of them. But she knows very well she can’t be saved
The original will always hold a special place in my heart but i absolutely love how the new version of the music has the melody played by a cello. In the original, it was a violin (viola?) which was gorgeous, of course, but hearing it a few octaves lower really underscores the crushing sadness here. Angela is hopelessly in hell and there's not a damn thing we can do to fix it.
One detailed I really like to the Remake Angela is her pouting expression. She’s clearly a grown woman, yet her face almost looks like that of a scared child. Couple this with her regressions when she’s triggered or stressed, and the experience really comes together to paint the portrait of a broken child trapped in the body of a woman. IMHO, the remake made her character FAR more impactful. And her voice actress is perfection, capturing each line’s melancholy and heartbreak.
The only criticism I have of this scene is when she asks James if he will "save her, love her, heal all her wounds/pain". In the original, the camera becomes a POV, it's meant to have YOU the player being talked down by Angela. It's the "I can fix her" mentality being put into test. Because yes, someone with that much trauma and baggage isn't some pet you can just feed and love, its a damaged person, and like with normal people, they can only get better starting with themselves, if they choose to want help, its not yours, or James' choice to make. In the OG it also ends with a cut of James looking down in shame, without an answer to all these hard questions. Other than that its a solid scene, Bloober did good.
I think that the camera angle in the original really added to it as it showed how this scene related to James as a character by putting us in his shoes. This is the scene that forces James to break his fantasy of saving women that came from his inability to save Mary from her illness which Maria uses to attach herself to him. Angela here is a woman who cannot be saved, and forces James to properly accept the reality of that
I want to speculate, that the only reason James could not see the flames but could see Eddies ice "nightmare" is because by that point James knows the truth. He's no longer blinded by the false lies he made for himself and thus could not see Angela's world aside feel it around him. This is where the "difference" occurs compared to the PS2, The moment he mentions the heat and Angela tells him that "He sees it too?", he comes to realize she is still lost to her "Nightmare". Thus, he walks away because he knows NOT to keep following the wrong path but turn back to his own.It's the same as the PS2 version but in that version it let us stay in room but not proceed up cause invisible flames block us which didn't make much sense honestly. It makes sense to have him in cutscene turn back.
can't really understand people who hate VA in remake. like, they gave this scene another colours. in original scene Angela feels more crazy like she definitely lost her mind, that's why she says her "would you take care of me...?" so mockingly to James. You can feel it, because after these words you can see that they both stand with kind of distance between them. in remake, she feels more tired, like it wasn't just something sarcastic in her words. she was so tired, that except of some kind if sarcasm in her words you can also hear some kind of hope, like she really tries to believe that his words were not as hollow as they really were. like she tries to grab the last hope, that he really would save her on a second. you could see it in visual too, cause she tries to get nearer to him, but only James tries to save the distance between them. that proves that he doesn't really feel her pain. i like VA in remake more because of that, it suits her story more, it really makes her just very exhausted girl because of her pain. she is not as crazy, as lost, so it feels much better than her madness in original. she's not mad, she's in really big pain
@@weplo1597 i've never said that people who prefer original VA are blinded by nostalgia. just said that i can't understand too much hate about new VA. i can understand why people prefer original, but i like remake more, that's it
Gianna Kiehl's broken, cynical delivery makes it so much more heart-wrenching and believable. I wasn't sold on her performance until this scene, and then I just...couldn't stop crying. I was on a DIscord call streaming and had to step away for a bit.
I really hoped we got to see more of how everyone else perceived Silent Hill. Angela perceiving everything in flames, Eddie, everything frozen, and Laura probably seeing the town normally. But I get it, were going through James' journey, not theirs.
"For me its always like this" Line still hits hard after all these years I've always wondered if James could really see the flames But for a moment at least Angela could have someone who can see her pain before ending it all
This is probably my favorite scene. The remake did it so much better than the original, this Angela voice actor gives so much emotion specially in the “will you love me” speech
I find her new delivery of the "Or maybe you think you can save me? Will you love me? Care for me? Heal all my pain?" Very realistic. As somebody that has also suffered abuse (not as bad as Angela of course) i recognize that tired, almost lifeless tone that sound like you can erupt into laughter or into an angry screaming match in any momment. Its like "We both know that you are not going to help me, we both know that its already to late for me. At least let me alone. If my family didn't even loved me, why would you, a stranger be any different. Dont be silly". But you still feel that behind that resentment, deep down she wants James to say something, to do something, she is giving him her final call for help (in the orginal scene, she is the one that gets closer to james, but this time is more subtle). But at the end, that small hope dies too because James is to broken to help anyone, and she just gives up, returning to hell, her comfort zone
"What we're looking for... It's not here. Not anymore". I don't know why, but I love the sense of futility in several moments in the game, like in this sentence, or when you manage to open that overly locked box only to find it empty, or when you traverse a whole labyrinth only to find Maria unceremoniously dead... There is no redemption or reward in this town, only painful truth
Still playing through the game, taking my time and loving the beauty but this was the first scene i looked up because i couldnt wait to see how they did it. I really hope they add DLC for angela, eddie and laura....and of course the born from a wish one
I love this new version of Angela and the roundness of her facial features. Whether intentional or not it really conveys the weight of the world on her.
After playing the original game way back when, her awful fate stuck with me through the years. I would find myself imagining her wandering around the consumed by fire Silent Hill, lost and exhausted, forsaken by death and by time... Now after playing the remake, in a weird way I got the undeniable, most haunting confirmation... She's still there and will always be 😢
The voice acting , the musical cue , the facial expressions ...damn, people should take off their nostalgia glasses for once and see how was the VA/acting in reality ...
Я играла в оригинал в 2008-2009 году, тогда мне было 19 лет. Не хочу особо знать, играть в ремейк. Ремейки шедевров - это как вернуться к бывшему парню через много лет. Я как-то сделала такую глупость 😅 Лучше бы он остался в моей памяти и ❤ таким, каким был когда-то.
@@Boots43096 i love the Og too , is just i don't wear nostalgia glasses on this kind of products , the remake does a tons of things better , that's just a fact
"No, Angela, that is not true." is delivered so believably here in the remake. They really knocked the performances out of the park this time around. The dialogue was always great.
This scene is f'ed in so many ways as it really was a chance for janes to start again. Had he pushed to be that person for Angela. Its not the towns illusions its a real person he could of healed with. Not saying that he deserves it but it was a chance to help someome in pain. Even possibly adopting laura to have both family figures.
@@GodMeowMixtotally right, James at his core is not the kind of loving husband to suffer and help his love through their pain. He was good enough only when things were happy and easy with Mary. That’s why Maria is such an appeal. Sexy, fun, available and all for him. When she coughs in that ending, you can hear his coldness saying do something about that cough
@@StopFlaggingVideos That really isn't true and grossly misunderstands what happens between him and his wife. Many loving relationships fall apart under the stress of a long illness. By all indications he WAS there for her for a long time but her condition wore him down and he eventually broke under the stress. The fact he's so utterly crushed by guilt over it is the point, and Mary's letter in the ending shows that they did love each other and he loved her too.
@@iamthedave3 yeah? and he ended it by smothering her to death with a pillow as she struggled against him. her last moments must have been shock and horror that he would do this, she had just written her heart out to him in a letter too, didn't expect it to end this way. he hates himself for who he was that he could do that to her. angela hates him because she doesn't know what he did but she can sense his character. am i grossly misunderstanding james? i guess he's a really good guy. it must be very common for loving partners to kill their significant others so they can get their own lives back. i should brush up on true love
Angelas arc always made me so sad. Sh2 is the only game thats ever made me cry. This scene was so brutal. "for me Its always like this" Like jesus christ dude.
The new added music after lauras theme gives the scene so much emotional depth. Still get goosebumps when she say you see it too? For me, it always like this
I love how they took out the "No, I'd never kill myself" line. Seemed a little silly considering "In Water" exists. Regardless, still one of the most important scenes in gaming to this day. Team Silent gave us the most real depiction of sexual abuse-induced PTSD in any form of media.
I honestly don’t get how people are saying the acting is worse in this scene, I feel like it just has to be nostalgia. Angela sounds more defeated and done in this version, which I would say fits the scene much better compared to her more manic delivery in the first game. This is the end of her story and she knows it.
Exactly. Someone commented earlier saying she seems “soulless” and I told them that was entirely the point. This is someone who has literally given up on life and living. I think the acting is great.
@@Skullkan6Exactly. Her sarcastic remarks at James makes it all the more hard hitting which showcases not only James' hollow sympathy for her and his empty platitudes, but her reluctance to be saved or even helped, since she's completely consumed by self hatred for something she had not control over as an innocent child. Her mood swings and overall disjointed demeanor really sold how mentally damaged she is. I get why people would say this is more fitting, but Angela is supposed to be in some sort of manic bipolar episode, not just depressed.
@@Mrhostil95the original actress was miles better! People with trauma are not dead inside in fact it is common that victima of abuse develop borderline personality dissorder. The original angela captures that beautifuly, the mood swings, the child quality, the moment of paranoia. It was masterful and underrated. Here they presented an angst teen with melancholic depresion. And there was so much morez!
@@caronte38I'll disagree on the voice actor but I can understand if you felt like something was missing here that you enjoyed in the original I really like this interpretation of Angela
Likely because that line relates too much to the water ending, keeping his mental state ambiguous makes each ending feel like it works better narratively imo
There are very Subtle diffrences in this scene ending when compared to the Original: In the Original version when Angela is going upstairs to end her life James whipes an tear on his Left Eye and he Raises his Hands towards Angela in a attept to Stop her and he never Laves in a Hurry like in the Remake here, In the OG he stays by Angela side all the time
The ONE thing missing is that in the original it skips back to gameplay as she's going up the stairs, your free to walk around and cant do anything to stop her, the flames blocking your way, she will just keep walking up until she's out of view. I think they shouldve kept this element, it adds so much more to not able to do anything with controls either than just having it be a cutscene alone. (TBH I recon they would if they could I bet its a rendering issue with how they animated these flames)
This time around I definitely view her arc with a bit more of a happier edge than previously perceived. She definitely reaches clarity way before James does and I view her ascent up the stairs and acceptance of the situation as a possible escape from the purgatory/hell she's found herself in. She never came to Silent Hill to continue on in a life that hasn't done her any favors, she only ever came to find peace, representative of her looking for her mother at first. I like to think she found it in that stairway.
The iconic 'It's hot as hell in here' part works better in the original imo. Here, Angela simply responds to his question. But in the original, she takes a look around at the scenery, giving the sense that she has truly become so accustomed to her burning surroundings that she doesn't even pay attention to it anymore until it is mentioned. Her world being aflame wasn't worth mentioning or even paying attention until she realized James also could see it. The stillshot being agonizingly long from James perspective also work much better.
i like the detail that james didn't give it to angela cause it will causing more trauma and probably knew how the place works. If he gave it up, it would made him think that he was gonna felt responsible for another death after watching the tape, it's just my thought about this scene
Climbing the burning stairs, it is very depressing. But I prefer to think that she is going to a kind of purgatory, since there are demons in this universe so it is not difficult in my conception that there are angels and maybe even a God who is willing to save a soul, my hope is that she has then gone to purgatory where she will be cleansed of her sins and traumas and light up as is the meaning of her name, Like a new angel to paradise, it's a hope, A New Angel of the Lord
@@yibril2254 It's her extremist way of interpreting things, but for me before the murder she committed she suffered a crime against her from her father and brother, and her redemption was accepting what she did and her death. As was said by brutal in the movie The Green Mile, "She paid what she owed here, It's clean in the house again," As far as the translation of my country Brazil is concerned. That's it you get what you think and I get my interpretation
The acting is outstanding, but why did they cut the "I'd never kill myself" line? It's a clunky line, but it provides some interesting contrast between the two and gives James characterization.
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I just realized that Angela’s and Eddie’s versions of Silent Hill are the exact opposite of one another. Angela’s world is full of flames and Eddie’s is icy cold.
It's like she living in hell and eddie had a cruel cold reality never thought of it like that
Angela and Eddie as characters represent two ends of a spectrum between internalizing and externalizing. Despite never having any kind of association in the game, they parallel each other thematically
@@watching7721 read somebody else said, Angela is giving up, while Eddie is giving in. I think that's very apt and probably right on the money. James can mirror both of them: giving up to get the In Water ending, and giving in to get the Maria ending.
great posts. ice, water, fire.
And James is water. And given how the endings work, water takes on the shape of anything you put it in. So you're the glass basically.
What's unfortunate about this is you can desire to save her all you want but only she can save herself. You could save a person from a situation but you cannot save them from themselves.
Recently had someone like this in my life. I tried to help her out of her situation but she just fell back into it again. I think that’s why Angela’s story hit so hard for me.
so we just turn ignorance and smoke weed everyday?
She can't save herself either. No one can. She is doomed to live in this flamig hell until the end of her days.
self judging ist never a solution.Thats what James want to say.
James is right that she deserves to be loved and cared for, but Angela refuses to forgive herself for her past and trauma.
If the recent diacussion is to be believed, Silent Hill 2 remake, it's that the people inside it are trapped in a loop until they can find the purpose and strength to leave it.
James was also stuck in there until Laura appeared, and James found the strength in one version of the ending to leave it, which is also considered canon.
Death in Silent Hill is meaningless as long as the soul survives.
I love how by the end of the game you can see the physicality and hear in the voices how exhausted everyone in the cast is. Seeing Angela just give up rather than emote the emotional inflection at the end is genuinely unnerving. Bravo.
Yeah and I don't even know where to being with Luke's acting, they couldn't have picked someone better for James
@@tg.tyrant2302_makes me wish he'd be in future SH games even though that's the exact wrong thing to do lol
@@adamthompson9785 Not really, the original voice actor for Angela, Donna Burke, also did Clauda Wolf in SH3. They could bring Luke for another role in the future.
"Have it your way. It doesn't change anything."
I like that they added this for Angela. The reason you cannot save Angela is because she already made up her mind. It doesn't matter if James (or you) disagrees or not.
For most trauma victims it is a get go position.
Most people who need help do not need it cause they are 'undecided' but because they decided firmly on a self-destruction.
Nice subtle Burger King advertisement
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James couldn't see the flames; he could only feel their scorching heat. Meanwhile, we caught a glimpse of the version of Silent Hill to which Angela was bound.
yup I appreciated that. He couldn't see the flames, we the viewers could. which could explain why James doesn't even bother stopping her from ascending the staircase, probably can't even tell what she's thinking
Damn i just realize that
Why can't? I mean James even can fight with Angela's trauma monster
@@iqbalseptian34 Abstract Daddy is not the same monster angela sees. Each person has ther own otherworld that no one else can see most times. Somtimes it can bleed over as seen here where james can feel the heat or as we see the first time we enter the prison and can see snow falling from a vent onto the dead body. Angelas otherworld is on fire, Eddies world seems to invovle the cold in some way, and james is the decaying moldy look (to match Mary slowly withering away)
@@gman2570 i still don't get it, in the game Angela said "daddy", than the monster attacked James, so they saw the same creature, right?
It is ironic that she ascends into the flames, James descends into the water in a finale
Depending on the ending
You mean " in water "
Hatred and anger burns your soul
While loneliness and guilt smothers you
I guess
the water ending is not canon as in the original he says "me? no... id never kill myself" which is a line removed in the remake just so that people dont dismiss the in water ending
@@moeftw6792i think the in water ending is very much canon ngl. James look at the lake when he first comes to the town which shows he thinking about it. Then he’s in the water while Angela is up on the staircase. Even the long boat ride. Plus his talk with Mary seems more realistic. When James stated “I don’t wanna kill myself” he seemed very unsure like he is most of the game
"saving it for yourself?" the way the piano slows down... i gor the in water ending, wasnt even trying to for it. but it hits so much harder
In Water is the only thematically consistent ending Laura shouldn’t even be in the story all things considered
@@Flipyoutoo yeah the leave ending is canon people are coping hard ngl, in water makes the most sense with who james is at the core, a hopeless coward with crippling guilt and self hatred
I just love In Water ending because of how well it is acted out and directed in the remake specifically. With the way James is saying the things he is saying and the way he looks in the mirror at the back seat and then slowly glances back (and his eyes, I'd never thought I would say this about a videogame character, but those are the eyes of a completely broken man who had lost any hope and will to continue with his life). Yes, it's crashing my soul, but it's so well made. In the OG I've always preferred the Leave ending though.
@@umayrrahman9936I mean shit I wouldn’t nes call him a coward after all that now 😂😭
@@DopeSmoke916 Yeah, wouldn't call him a coward in a normal sense. Just a guy with a completely broken psyche. Couldn't handle his wife disease, changes in her personality, couldn't handle her suffering and to see her like that. And then couldn't handle what he's done to stop it. Can't blame him, guilt is a bitch. So he came to SH initially to off himself after all that and I feel like that's the most likely scenario for him in the end.
I love the emotions in James’s face when he exits the room, after what he had just seen in the videotape, he knows he can’t be there for Angela let alone himself.
The voice actress really did well. The only character worth saving was always Angela.
Angela sounds like a dude
I think they are all worth saving, but Angela is the most sympathetic of three.
The idea that people aren’t worth saving is actually pretty sick
No they didnt, u blind, u didnt see differece realy?!
You can see two dead castrated male bodies hanging up on the walls. Her dad and brother.
Love that for them
what did her brother do exactly? We know about her father, but I am not too sure about her brother
@@juannaym8488 Her older brother physically assaulted her a lot, let alone being SA'd and her own mother blamed her for it all
@@juannaym8488 brother did the same as her father
I think the Brother only physically abused her, only her Father SAd her
Knowing how the town refuses to let people die, I like to think she’s still wandering about.
Que triste fim para ela. 😢
It only doesn’t let Maria die because Maria was made by Silent Hill. As opposed to James or Angela, who were called to the town, who can die
@@eatcatchina5739 How about that tour guide from Downpour? I remember he said he tried offing himself multiple times.
@@fulcrum6760 Downpour is by different writers and a different team who basically bought the IP name to make a game. As far we can tell James has been in a loop too, not just the others.
@@TheSpiralAim Which kinda means Angela is still around.
The music in this scene makes me feel like I lost something important, and I'm never getting it back, like an ache in my heart.
She sounds completely worn out and without energy.
It represents more depression and trauma.
I believe that the remake does not exist to replace the original, it is just a complement.
Like Black Mesa and Half Life, both can exist together.
Hard cope.
Angelas delivery is just bad the way she says ,will you love me sounds like she is reading a line.
While on the original its more realistic, she is loud almost angry and mocking ,she points that out ,because she already knows the answer is "no" ,thats exactly how a depressed person would talk to someone who are just all talk ,but dont really want to actively help.
The line "Thats what I thought " says that she had this kind of converations before ,and she knew its all just talk.
Sorry but you dont know anything how people behave,because thats not it.
@@doriansz3130 L comment
@@TortafritaNinja Coming from a pedo with loli pic
@@doriansz3130I think you're wrong. While I also prefer the second part of the dialogue in the original, I think the voice actors here do a good job.
@@doriansz3130people with depression don’t act one way only 💀you aren’t smart for this comment you come across as narrow minded depression is hard to treat specifically because of how wide range of actions and coping mechanisms there are, not everyone deals with it the same do your research, both the remake and original do excellent with this scene with 2 interpretations instead of a copy paste
Angela's story is just heartbreaking, imagine being physically and sexually abused by your Father and your role model Older Brother, where not only your mother never protected you but blamed you for having a provocative approach. I really wish there was a chance to save Angela, she didn't deserve that hell
I feel like im the only one who thinks they did a beautiful job on this scene. Her voice is so much more distressed in the remake I feel like it hits more.
Na ,you are not the only one , the rest of people Is wearing nostalgia glasses , they can't even remember how Bad the VA were in the original 😅
Trust me I don't get hung up on them repeating everything the same. They added touches that made it just as sad.
Nah, I prefer this version, Angela's new actress did a superb job.
New version is better than the old version in almost every comprehensible way possible. There. I said it. Stop wearing nostalgia glasses, people.
@@arcticwolf6402 Calling out nostalgia without presenting any other argument to support the new over the old is just an example of reverse bias. It's getting exhausting to see this term repeated in these discussions, often just to dismiss differing opinions. The argument seems to be: "This is new, it didn’t have the same production limitations, so it must be better." But that’s not necessarily the case. This viewpoint disregards the creative merits of both teams, implying that the ultimate experience, whether good or bad, is determined solely by technology and budget. Creative decisions differ, leading to varying results. The acting, for instance, isn't automatically better because it uses motion capture; if poorly executed, it could be worse. I'm not saying the new one is bad; I’m saying that just because it's new doesn’t inherently make it better. People have more reasons to appreciate the older version than simply "nostalgia glasses."
I don't know how they did it with so little screen time, but Angela's whole story and this whole scene damn near brought me to tears.
This shit is so good. You can really feel how defeated each of them are, the whole situation feels dreadful and miserable and it’s perfect for this game
I love the subtle change of how James no longer says he would never kill himself after Angela asks if he saving the knife for himself. It makes the In Water ending much more plausible in the remake.
Not really. The way he says it in the original makes it sounds like he just lying to comfort her. Him saying it almost foreshadows his suicide
I love the expression Angela makes when James says ‘It’s hot as hell in here’ before she turns to him. A nice detail of her realizing he can see the flames, before she says it.
The way James walked out of the room is how I would in my dreams. He really looks like he’s in a nightmare but isn’t aware of it or something. They did an Amazing job with that
I love that the line about James "never killing himself" was removed - the whole interaction feels so much more broken in the remake.
It would have been nice to have that dialogue choice there if you're getting any other ending besides In Water at this point in the game.
I mean, it’s basically implied. Same reason they cut they “a dead person can’t write a letter” line in the beginning. Subtext is much better this way.
they removed it because In water is the canon ending, they even added James looking at the back seat of his car during in water because Mary's dead body is there as Masahiro Ito always said through the years.
I like how she calls out James on his hollow sympathies throughout the game
Because she knows that James is just as broken as she is, and that there's nothing he can do to actually help her. His words are nothing but platitudes that are as empty as he is, and he knows that as well as she does.
What should James have said, “fuck you”? He was empty, but still tried to be sympathetic.
James is also a creep to a sexual degree. Invading Angela's space in their first two meetings, which changed after fighting her dad. Understandable since James has so much repressed sexual energy that he would be inadvertently creepy, trying to touch her, not backing off, mostly because he doesn't really care about her. He doesn't want to hurt her, but he's a weirdo.
And Angela knows that. That why she confronts him here. He's so broken that Angela has to demean his attempts to help her. No one can save or understand her, especially not James
@thoet7270 Indeed. Repression born of frustration, stress, and abuse from his wife when he just wanted to help her. The poor guy is so broken, he has no way of reading the room, or seeing how what he does isn't as good as he thinks it is. He thinks he has good intentions, but I don't think he really knows that for sure. He keeps telling himself he wants Mary back, but his time with Mary, and seeing how vulnerable Angela seems, has made some of that repressed sexual frustration emerge in ways he's not even fully aware of. Hence why Angela calls him out. She knows sexual frustrations in men, as she suffered the worst of such at the hands of her father, and possibly brother too. Something that James, as you said, can't possibly understand.
Hollow? He was actually quite caring if you look through all the cut scenes, he does his best under the circumstances but didn't know what her issue was until late in the game.
"for me, it's always like this" doesn't hit as hard without the piano part
right! in the original the music starts once the cutscene does, idk why they changed it
I felt it a nice touch how it slowly stopped playing 2:40. To me, that made the final lines impactful in a different way. The lack of music made it sink in more that isn't a "dreamscape" James is looking at. This is Angela's reality.
So it’s not a real fire then
Agreed. Angela felt flat in this one. It’s like in silent hill 1, if Lisa doesn’t get her iconic music when she transforms, it will just lack the punch
@@Pikaru-c4u nah, it’s what Angela sees. Her “world” is always on fire. And honestly? What makes it more tragic, is that she felt she deserved what happened to her, she really didn’t.
Geez I wanna give angela a hug and somewhere safe to be. Breaks my heart how she just gave up and accepted her fate, it’s like that for some folk. Its tragic.
For me personally, this is the perfect remake! I'm 37 years old and played the original game 20 years ago.
37 gang unite!!
The voice actors did such a good job. I remember playing the original 20 years ago and it sounded a little cartoony/overly dramatic. This sounds a conversation between real people who have experienced real trauma.
The original wasn't voiced by professional VAs, it was just randoms they found that spoke English. It gave Silent Hill 2 a unique quality and tone.
@@apache8795tone? Yes.
Quality? Eh....
@@DinossaurodaAmazonia That quality created a 20 year legacy that this remake is coasting on
top 5 moments in gaming history, i do not accept any other opinions.
I still don’t understand what happened ?
@@alfydarkdeadlyShe is doomed to wander Silent Hill… never finding peace.
Yeah this scene its a legend 😢
She sounds more like she has actual cptsd. Empty, hopeless and alone. The original was too over the top for someone so tired of existing.
It really loses some of the scorn that's so effective in the original. I can understand wanting to tone down some of the energy (though I think in the original that gives her a very teenage energy which fits nicely with the point she's stuck in) but imo they went too far in the opposite direction.
finally, someone who isn’t blinded by nostalgia
@@spellbound1875 its cause ptsd usually make people’s brain to run kinda “slower”. In the og feels like she still had hope… which she does not have fr
@acruxx763 PTSD can have a wide range of presentations with hyperarousal and intense emotional affect being a common presentation. While someone having dulled affect, responsiveness, and reaction times is also an accurate presentation the original is also reasonable for such a complex condition.
As for feeling the original has more hope... we'll have to disagree. The "Thank you for saving me bit I wish you hadn't" and "I deserved this" sound significantly more distressed and despairing to my ear. I respect what the remake was going for (with the exception of removing the "I would never kill myself" line) I just don't find it landed as effectively in many cases.
@@spellbound1875
People with complex ptsd have trouble expressing and regulating their emotions. Which is why she sounds very emotionless and dissociated
Gianna Kiehl did an amazing job. Her acting in the apartment scene made me feel confident that she'll be perfect for this scene
She sounded completely dead inside. All of those years of hell and experiencing it again in the town, she believed she couldn't be saved and was beyond it.
Now that they've come this far, I feel like the studio should make a short DLC from Angela's perspective. I'd love to see what her version of SH looks like from the moment she meets us in the graveyard
Oh that's such a cool idea, I would love that
I’d love that, she’s one of my favorite characters in the series. I feel so sorry for her, having to live through all that trauma, be haunted by it for years after, only to face it all again in SH’s twisted design… I think she deserved to make it out of that town, and to have a better life after…
second that
The music when she goes up the stairs is stellar. So beautifully sad.
1:56 In original she is looking right in the camera like she is talking to a player not James. They really missed that detail... or changed it on purpose.
And in original the is saying this lines with ironic aggresive tone, and in remake she just dont care, i miss this detail because she show her great hatred for man and James in general
@@narkopolo5629that tone is still very felt here, idk what drugs ur on
Soulless
@@narkopolo5629what are you on? The VA here is better than the OG.
You guys have GOT to get over the nostalgia hump. It’s so annoying.
@@mattcollins3591 Angela is supposed to sound manic from her experiences. She's meant to sound like that in the original, so you know something's wrong with her. It wasn't JUST trauma it was mind altering trauma that ruined her life and her voice in the original portrayed that. Every character except Laura had one of these unique talking patterns based off their mental problems. James had a disassociated tone because he was closing himself off emotionally and unable to express even fear or trepidation at that point. Eddie was in a psychosis and Angela was having mania mixed with bipolar outbursts due to her broken mental state. Maria is supposed to switch between Mary and her's demeanor with a verbal cue. These aren't present in the remake and it's an overall loss.
They removed the part where you can try and chase after her
@@SaberRexZealot yes, i remember that too, the door to turn around should be opened manually by us.
I like it. James just shows how defeated he is. I mean, James is broken; he can barely save himself, let alone anyone else.
Wait you could do that in the original? I didn’t even know that.
It makes sense for old james to try and chase her, new james knows shes a lost cause
That would've made it so much worse. James trying to reach out is giving "I can fix her!" vibes. Angela literally condemns James for even thinking of saving her, thematically, that feels deserved because he doesn't deserve to fix help someone broken when he himself is so broken and damaged as well. There is no saving, she has to walk her path
I honestly like all these scenes more then the original
Wait a minute.. "you're the only one left, maybe now I can rest" was... she going to kill her as well to free herself of the torment?? Sounds like it to me... maybe thats why Angela is In SH.
Yes, she was to kills her mamá
Her mom chose the brother and dad side
@@johnlawful2272 In the novelization it's revealed that Angela's mother pretended to not know of the abuse for years until she finally couldn't handle it more and blamed Angela for it before leaving the family home forever, leaving Angela at the mercy of her father and brother (who also sexually abused her once he grew up). Angela is looking for her mother in Silent Hill because it's theorized she thinks she lives there, but that's left ambiguous. When James asks her if her mother lived in Blue Creek apartments in the mirror scene Angela freaks out because she thinks James is stalking her, as she has androphobia or deep fear of men, not only because of her experience with her father and brother, but also the men at her part-time job (that she was forced to take after her mother left) started to sexualize her and even grope her and objectify her.
While I like both versions of this scene, OG takes it for one reason:
When Angela asks if James will love her, take care of her, and heal all her pain, the camera is from James’s perspective, making it seem like she’s asking the player directly, just adds those extra brass knuckles to that gut punch.
Gianna's delivery is just so much better though. She really does sound completely broken, world-weary, cynical...I wanted to scream "yes" to her, hold her, tell her that I would love her and treat her with the kindness and respect she's deserved all her life.
@ I’m not disagreeing with the acting, I think she did pretty good.
@@BunnychanFarabeenah i personally think the ogs acting is better.
i feel like whether in the original or in this version, the thing that made this so impactful for me is that it doesn't happen that people see each other's silent hills, so the fact that james can actually see angela's, and she even seems surprised that he can see it too, kinda suggests to me that this would have been the point that angela could have maybe opened up more to james and potentially gotten help and recovery, should she have wanted it. it's like it's the one and only chance that someone could have maybe convinced her otherwise but then it wouldn't have happened anyway since she made up her mind. i just always thought that was a cool detail because the characters only see silent hill through their own eyes and psyches.
In many ways, James and Angela's paths cross as a test for each other. For James, meeting Angela is a crucible of judgement, punishment, and atonement. For Angela, James represents a chance for salvation and to believe she is worth saving. Ultimately, you have to *allow* salvation in. In this way, Angela fails her test, too entrenched in the fire of her trauma and suffering, and rejects James' empathy out of her sense of worthlessness; that she is *beyond* saving. This shows James the limits of his empathy, and that some things cannot be changed, which in many ways mirrors the limits he reached with Mary, in not truly being able to heal her pain.
True. The concept of only you who can see your worst nightmare is so simple yet effective and can be really creative. I'm surprised SH was the first one to do that.
This new version gives me chills
This is what a remake should be
When Angela cracked a smile for a moment, I could just imagine maybe there was a time she was happy but I don’t know
Id Really wish there was a way we could prevent Angela from killing herself she could have escaped with Laura and James in the Leave Ending😢
Part of the point of this scene is accepting that it's not your responsibility to save someone from themselves.
@@Fug_the_PugYea but even so James cared about Angela she would be the perfect Mother Figure to Laura
@@zenicehero9154 ...she's only 19.
@@zenicehero9154fuuuuck no she would be a terrible mother and I don’t mean to be disrespectful. There are many people in this world who were abused like Angela and eventually made it out to become a good parent but it took sheer willpower, luck, the right support, and a lot of life and therapy. Angela’s just a kid with 0 ability to save herself, and she’s in silent hill, she’s fucked. She can’t be mother to anyone, she’s emotionally stunted. It would be beautiful for her to walk out, the three of them. But she knows very well she can’t be saved
@@inthedeadhours She doesn't need to be James' wife, I believe that taking care of Laura would be good for her
The original will always hold a special place in my heart but i absolutely love how the new version of the music has the melody played by a cello. In the original, it was a violin (viola?) which was gorgeous, of course, but hearing it a few octaves lower really underscores the crushing sadness here. Angela is hopelessly in hell and there's not a damn thing we can do to fix it.
For me that was the most sad part of the game because she it’s only a victim
One detailed I really like to the Remake Angela is her pouting expression. She’s clearly a grown woman, yet her face almost looks like that of a scared child. Couple this with her regressions when she’s triggered or stressed, and the experience really comes together to paint the portrait of a broken child trapped in the body of a woman. IMHO, the remake made her character FAR more impactful. And her voice actress is perfection, capturing each line’s melancholy and heartbreak.
The only criticism I have of this scene is when she asks James if he will "save her, love her, heal all her wounds/pain".
In the original, the camera becomes a POV, it's meant to have YOU the player being talked down by Angela. It's the "I can fix her" mentality being put into test. Because yes, someone with that much trauma and baggage isn't some pet you can just feed and love, its a damaged person, and like with normal people, they can only get better starting with themselves, if they choose to want help, its not yours, or James' choice to make.
In the OG it also ends with a cut of James looking down in shame, without an answer to all these hard questions.
Other than that its a solid scene, Bloober did good.
I think that the camera angle in the original really added to it as it showed how this scene related to James as a character by putting us in his shoes. This is the scene that forces James to break his fantasy of saving women that came from his inability to save Mary from her illness which Maria uses to attach herself to him. Angela here is a woman who cannot be saved, and forces James to properly accept the reality of that
It's even better in the remake
Such a heartbreaking scene.
I want to speculate, that the only reason James could not see the flames but could see Eddies ice "nightmare" is because by that point James knows the truth. He's no longer blinded by the false lies he made for himself and thus could not see Angela's world aside feel it around him. This is where the "difference" occurs compared to the PS2, The moment he mentions the heat and Angela tells him that "He sees it too?", he comes to realize she is still lost to her "Nightmare". Thus, he walks away because he knows NOT to keep following the wrong path but turn back to his own.It's the same as the PS2 version but in that version it let us stay in room but not proceed up cause invisible flames block us which didn't make much sense honestly. It makes sense to have him in cutscene turn back.
This is my 6th time here to watch this vid I don't know why but there is something I can feel from this game something really precious
can't really understand people who hate VA in remake. like, they gave this scene another colours. in original scene Angela feels more crazy like she definitely lost her mind, that's why she says her "would you take care of me...?" so mockingly to James. You can feel it, because after these words you can see that they both stand with kind of distance between them. in remake, she feels more tired, like it wasn't just something sarcastic in her words. she was so tired, that except of some kind if sarcasm in her words you can also hear some kind of hope, like she really tries to believe that his words were not as hollow as they really were. like she tries to grab the last hope, that he really would save her on a second. you could see it in visual too, cause she tries to get nearer to him, but only James tries to save the distance between them. that proves that he doesn't really feel her pain. i like VA in remake more because of that, it suits her story more, it really makes her just very exhausted girl because of her pain. she is not as crazy, as lost, so it feels much better than her madness in original. she's not mad, she's in really big pain
Maybe some people prefer some things from original? Calling them "Blinded by nostalgia" makes you no different than them.
@@weplo1597 i've never said that people who prefer original VA are blinded by nostalgia. just said that i can't understand too much hate about new VA. i can understand why people prefer original, but i like remake more, that's it
This whole scene is amazing but something about this part sticks with me 1:50
Gianna Kiehl's broken, cynical delivery makes it so much more heart-wrenching and believable. I wasn't sold on her performance until this scene, and then I just...couldn't stop crying. I was on a DIscord call streaming and had to step away for a bit.
incredible music, vivid imagery, mid girl everyone wants to save, this scene has it all!
I really hoped we got to see more of how everyone else perceived Silent Hill. Angela perceiving everything in flames, Eddie, everything frozen, and Laura probably seeing the town normally. But I get it, were going through James' journey, not theirs.
"For me its always like this"
Line still hits hard after all these years
I've always wondered if James could really see the flames
But for a moment at least Angela could have someone who can see her pain before ending it all
Ikr a lot of people are saying it's not the same without the music but I think it gives off the sense she's a lost cause more
This is probably my favorite scene. The remake did it so much better than the original, this Angela voice actor gives so much emotion specially in the “will you love me” speech
I liked the pause after 'For me, (pause) it's always like this.' in the og better. made it more impactful
💯 this so much. Original voice acting was way more on point here
@@meanmuggingdisagree there, most of the acting in the OG kinda is mediocre at times
@@TheHeretic0099 see the word "here"
@@TheHeretic0099Disagree
Hard disagree buddy but it’s all good
I find her new delivery of the "Or maybe you think you can save me? Will you love me? Care for me? Heal all my pain?" Very realistic.
As somebody that has also suffered abuse (not as bad as Angela of course) i recognize that tired, almost lifeless tone that sound like you can erupt into laughter or into an angry screaming match in any momment. Its like "We both know that you are not going to help me, we both know that its already to late for me. At least let me alone. If my family didn't even loved me, why would you, a stranger be any different. Dont be silly". But you still feel that behind that resentment, deep down she wants James to say something, to do something, she is giving him her final call for help (in the orginal scene, she is the one that gets closer to james, but this time is more subtle). But at the end, that small hope dies too because James is to broken to help anyone, and she just gives up, returning to hell, her comfort zone
Hugs 🫂
Damn this is the Best comment
"What we're looking for... It's not here. Not anymore". I don't know why, but I love the sense of futility in several moments in the game, like in this sentence, or when you manage to open that overly locked box only to find it empty, or when you traverse a whole labyrinth only to find Maria unceremoniously dead... There is no redemption or reward in this town, only painful truth
Still playing through the game, taking my time and loving the beauty but this was the first scene i looked up because i couldnt wait to see how they did it. I really hope they add DLC for angela, eddie and laura....and of course the born from a wish one
I love this new version of Angela and the roundness of her facial features. Whether intentional or not it really conveys the weight of the world on her.
In the OG, Angela looks like an older woman, but she’s actually 19. They really made her better in the remake
I just watched the original and the remake 100% makes this scene more emotional and gripping.
Absolutely, the nostalfags won’t agree though
@@yibril2254 they need to just go and play their beloved original (and shut up).
After playing the original game way back when, her awful fate stuck with me through the years. I would find myself imagining her wandering around the consumed by fire Silent Hill, lost and exhausted, forsaken by death and by time... Now after playing the remake, in a weird way I got the undeniable, most haunting confirmation... She's still there and will always be 😢
The voice acting , the musical cue , the facial expressions ...damn, people should take off their nostalgia glasses for once and see how was the VA/acting in reality ...
Я играла в оригинал в 2008-2009 году, тогда мне было 19 лет. Не хочу особо знать, играть в ремейк. Ремейки шедевров - это как вернуться к бывшему парню через много лет. Я как-то сделала такую глупость 😅 Лучше бы он остался в моей памяти и ❤ таким, каким был когда-то.
Remake fans just have to trash talk the original to validate their love of it lmao they can't just enjoy the remake for what it does
@@Boots43096 nah you can´t deny the VA ,acting ,and facial expressions are better...dude c'mon
@@Boots43096 i love the Og too , is just i don't wear nostalgia glasses on this kind of products , the remake does a tons of things better , that's just a fact
@@Boots43096 Most of the comment I've seen are the og fans crying, bitching about the remake and its fans.
"No, Angela, that is not true." is delivered so believably here in the remake. They really knocked the performances out of the park this time around. The dialogue was always great.
Lmfao wtf. Its delivered as if some AI bot thing wrote the script
@@monochrome.f3ar403 Bot. DEI. Essayist. Asmon. Nerdist. China. Taiwan. Russia.
@@monochrome.f3ar403 If you wanna talk bad about the game how about you make a remake of silent hill 2? Yeah I didn't think so
@@rl7394 brilliant response dude
@@monochrome.f3ar403 stay mad boomer
This scene is f'ed in so many ways as it really was a chance for janes to start again. Had he pushed to be that person for Angela. Its not the towns illusions its a real person he could of healed with. Not saying that he deserves it but it was a chance to help someome in pain. Even possibly adopting laura to have both family figures.
James couldn't even help himself. He would end up resenting Angela the same way he did Mary. Angela knows this and James realizes it in this scene.
@@GodMeowMixtotally right, James at his core is not the kind of loving husband to suffer and help his love through their pain. He was good enough only when things were happy and easy with Mary. That’s why Maria is such an appeal. Sexy, fun, available and all for him. When she coughs in that ending, you can hear his coldness saying do something about that cough
@@StopFlaggingVideos That really isn't true and grossly misunderstands what happens between him and his wife. Many loving relationships fall apart under the stress of a long illness. By all indications he WAS there for her for a long time but her condition wore him down and he eventually broke under the stress. The fact he's so utterly crushed by guilt over it is the point, and Mary's letter in the ending shows that they did love each other and he loved her too.
@@iamthedave3 yeah? and he ended it by smothering her to death with a pillow as she struggled against him. her last moments must have been shock and horror that he would do this, she had just written her heart out to him in a letter too, didn't expect it to end this way. he hates himself for who he was that he could do that to her. angela hates him because she doesn't know what he did but she can sense his character.
am i grossly misunderstanding james? i guess he's a really good guy. it must be very common for loving partners to kill their significant others so they can get their own lives back. i should brush up on true love
@@StopFlaggingVideosnailed it
My God, this is depressing. But beautiful.
Angelas arc always made me so sad. Sh2 is the only game thats ever made me cry. This scene was so brutal. "for me Its always like this" Like jesus christ dude.
Ahh the feel good game of the year.
Wow....
Just. Wow....
And we were ready to throw this game aside...
glad it landed for you boss but this solidified my decision not to buy this. they should have remade 4, or 1.
@@rpemulis that's fine. It's your money.
Fuck I never realized that Angela’s theme is an updated version of Lisa Garlands reveal theme.
The new added music after lauras theme gives the scene so much emotional depth. Still get goosebumps when she say you see it too? For me, it always like this
If Angela didn't win "best performance" at TGA 2024 I'll eat my socks.
I deserved what happened . . . That shit fucked me up, no one deserves what happened to her, no child should go through that shit. NO ONE😭😭😭
I love how they took out the "No, I'd never kill myself" line. Seemed a little silly considering "In Water" exists.
Regardless, still one of the most important scenes in gaming to this day. Team Silent gave us the most real depiction of sexual abuse-induced PTSD in any form of media.
Its said in such a way he might be lying to himself.
i like that they took out james saying "no, i'd never kill myself"
"You are not my mama."
We have Herlock Sholmes here
i love her so much how could anyone hate her
Haunting, either both the og and the remake
She just warps out of view right after 3:31 as James nonchalantly backs off and leaves.
Oof, yeah I saw it too.
Bloober cant do cutscenes
Lol nice found
lmao butchered scene.
@calamityjehn You saw it too? For me, Bloober really fucked this scene.
I think those words were half aimed at the people that thought "I can fix her"
I honestly don’t get how people are saying the acting is worse in this scene, I feel like it just has to be nostalgia. Angela sounds more defeated and done in this version, which I would say fits the scene much better compared to her more manic delivery in the first game. This is the end of her story and she knows it.
Exactly. Someone commented earlier saying she seems “soulless” and I told them that was entirely the point. This is someone who has literally given up on life and living. I think the acting is great.
In the original scene there's a hint of defiance before she falls apart. And that's what makes it stick
@@Skullkan6Exactly. Her sarcastic remarks at James makes it all the more hard hitting which showcases not only James' hollow sympathy for her and his empty platitudes, but her reluctance to be saved or even helped, since she's completely consumed by self hatred for something she had not control over as an innocent child. Her mood swings and overall disjointed demeanor really sold how mentally damaged she is. I get why people would say this is more fitting, but Angela is supposed to be in some sort of manic bipolar episode, not just depressed.
@@Mrhostil95the original actress was miles better! People with trauma are not dead inside in fact it is common that victima of abuse develop borderline personality dissorder. The original angela captures that beautifuly, the mood swings, the child quality, the moment of paranoia. It was masterful and underrated. Here they presented an angst teen with melancholic depresion. And there was so much morez!
@@caronte38I'll disagree on the voice actor but I can understand if you felt like something was missing here that you enjoyed in the original
I really like this interpretation of Angela
the music in this game is fucking masterclass.
They actually removed the "i'd never kill myself" line?
SOULLESS!
Likely because that line relates too much to the water ending, keeping his mental state ambiguous makes each ending feel like it works better narratively imo
They never removed anything.
They remade their own version.
This isnt remaster, dum dum.
@@MERNOXOPHLAMto b fair he sounds unsure, kinda like he's trying to convince himself when he says that line in the original game
@@SeriousDragonifyCalling people dum dums on honest criticism makes you sound like the dudes calling new Angela fat because her face is more round.
There are very Subtle diffrences in this scene ending when compared to the Original: In the Original version when Angela is going upstairs to end her life James whipes an tear on his Left Eye and he Raises his Hands towards Angela in a attept to Stop her and he never Laves in a Hurry like in the Remake here, In the OG he stays by Angela side all the time
whether the original or remake..?? this scene will always goosebumps in me.. this is perfect..!! 100%..
The ONE thing missing is that in the original it skips back to gameplay as she's going up the stairs, your free to walk around and cant do anything to stop her, the flames blocking your way, she will just keep walking up until she's out of view.
I think they shouldve kept this element, it adds so much more to not able to do anything with controls either than just having it be a cutscene alone. (TBH I recon they would if they could I bet its a rendering issue with how they animated these flames)
I prefer the new lighting in the patched version of SH2:Remake. It feels more appropriately, "hot as hell."
“What we’re looking for, it’s not here”
Damn idk why that line hits me so hard 🥺🥺
I prefer the new voice overs, it's not over the top, it feels like an actual conversation between two humans who are truly broken and lost.
This time around I definitely view her arc with a bit more of a happier edge than previously perceived. She definitely reaches clarity way before James does and I view her ascent up the stairs and acceptance of the situation as a possible escape from the purgatory/hell she's found herself in.
She never came to Silent Hill to continue on in a life that hasn't done her any favors, she only ever came to find peace, representative of her looking for her mother at first. I like to think she found it in that stairway.
What a great remake!
The iconic 'It's hot as hell in here' part works better in the original imo.
Here, Angela simply responds to his question. But in the original, she takes a look around at the scenery, giving the sense that she has truly become so accustomed to her burning surroundings that she doesn't even pay attention to it anymore until it is mentioned.
Her world being aflame wasn't worth mentioning or even paying attention until she realized James also could see it. The stillshot being agonizingly long from James perspective also work much better.
We could have a DLC playing as Angela 👀
That would be extremely sad and agonizing though, I know.
i like the detail that james didn't give it to angela cause it will causing more trauma and probably knew how the place works. If he gave it up, it would made him think that he was gonna felt responsible for another death after watching the tape, it's just my thought about this scene
Climbing the burning stairs, it is very depressing. But I prefer to think that she is going to a kind of purgatory, since there are demons in this universe so it is not difficult in my conception that there are angels and maybe even a God who is willing to save a soul, my hope is that she has then gone to purgatory where she will be cleansed of her sins and traumas and light up as is the meaning of her name, Like a new angel to paradise, it's a hope, A New Angel of the Lord
She’s going straight to hell for murder
@@yibril2254 It's her extremist way of interpreting things, but for me before the murder she committed she suffered a crime against her from her father and brother, and her redemption was accepting what she did and her death. As was said by brutal in the movie The Green Mile, "She paid what she owed here, It's clean in the house again," As far as the translation of my country Brazil is concerned. That's it you get what you think and I get my interpretation
@@douglasmiranda3879 nothing justifies murder, you will go down there 👇🏻
angela's ending made me realise, you are the one who choose if you want to be safed. james/other people can help, but you also have to stand up.
Say what you want, this remake is good
better than the og which is shocking even lol
IDK why but i feel like this is her version of the dual pyramid head speech, and her true decision comes up after
The acting is outstanding, but why did they cut the "I'd never kill myself" line? It's a clunky line, but it provides some interesting contrast between the two and gives James characterization.
Omitieron ese diálogo porque existe el final "under water"
I mean, one of the endings (the one i consider canon) has james killing himself so…
@@andrescarreong2112it the only one that makes sense since his dad can't find him
@@johnlawful2272 ppl go off and liv somewhere else all the time, they do it to start new life they dont need to die
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 well maybe he forge documents
The mind of a person with depression....