One Of These Is THE WORST SCRAMBLER I've Ridden... | Moto Guzzi V85TT VS BMW R9T Urban GS
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Huge shout out to @Whitney_Does for hanging out for the day! Check her channel out at / @whitney_does
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If you're in the market for a quirky cruiser/scrambler from Europe, the R9T or the Moto Guzzi V85TT. Unfortunately, one of these is the worst scrambler I've tried yet...
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00:00 - Intro
01:51 - R9T Specs
02:12 - V85TT Specs
02:47 - Offroad Shakedown
04:02 - Road Test
07:39 - Bike Swap
11:42 - Our Picks - Авто та транспорт
What's your pick? The R9T for some off road flair and cruiser vibes, or the Guzzi for a neo-retro sport tourer with some dirt road chops?
Hey Spite I've got a Himalayan if you want to borrow it for a video
V85TT is an underrated bike for the price. I picked one up last year and I ride it daily (when im not buried in snow lol). my other 2 bikes have been relegated to strictly off road (300cc 2 stroke) and hard off road adventure 790R. anything else I grab the keys to my Guzzi, such an enjoyable ride especially when you dump the boat anchor instal a Y pipe and a nice aftermarket can.... riding bliss
@@desertbear4410 hey man. I got a v85tt from 2019. Do you mean removing the catalytic converter? Any more things you need to do ? And yea v85tt all the way for comfort.
Guzzi been a fan boy for 40 yrs
@@desertbear4410 which 2 stroke? I love 2 strokes man. The soundtrack can be an acquired taste but once you get it you fall hard for it. Especially if you understand the technical side of why it’s sounding like it does etc.
I hope Whitney becomes a regular contributor to Spite's Corner. Spite doesn't seem threatened by allowing other people to shine unlike you know who.
Say what you will about Spite parting ways with you-know-who, at least he had an on-air sendoff (sucky as it was). Whitney's exit didn't even get a mention :(
Y'all love the soap opera drama. Move on, heal your emotional wounds 🤣
@@trippyrides5674 Wait, she's also out? Low move not to even mention it :(
@@jesusdavidburgosgarcia3055 yeah yn is a total scum bag
I knew that Josh has a new job, but I thought Whitney still was a Team Member on YN?
Whitney and Spite have so much chemistry.. I love watching them chill and talk bikes.
Spite and Whitney Absolutely Rule!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed. As an on screen duo, just really fun. 2 very down to earth people that just f*cking love riding. I actually liked seeing how two bikes that don't really compare... compared. Especially given two very different riding preferences. You should do this more often. Next up: Panigale vs. RS 1250. They both have big engines... Good enough for me... Lol
@@JoshPhillips7781 do you mean the v4 ?
@@chrishart8548 clearly
@@JoshPhillips7781 hardly fair 1260 V4 vs a dumb underpowered boxer engine that's basically still air cooled with a tiny bit of water cooling it half the power and 50% more weight. How about the s1000rr instead.
@@chrishart8548 I think you're missing the point here... Compare two bikes that really shouldn't be compared. I'm pretty sure the Pani and S1000RR have been compared to death already.
I love my V85TT. It’s way better than I needed it to be. Thoroughly enjoyed a 6800 mile ride through 22 states this year on it. It’s a competent Swiss Army knife multi tool of a motorcycle. It does more than 1 thing & does them all well.
Is it an upright ride ?
I did 22,000 miles and 40 states over 4 months period on this guy.. absolutely flawless snd loved it to bits!
@@billwilliams9362 Very much so, look at it lol
Bought a v85tt early this year. Within a couple of months I'd taken it from the UK, through Spain and over the Alps to its home in Mandello for a photo at the Moto Guzzi gate. The bike just makes you feel good.
I love Whitney's attitude.
-- I don't want a motorcycle that makes me think, "This is the pinnacle of engineering and I am connected to road and machine."
-- I want a motorcycle that makes me think, "What the hell were these guys thinking?
Yeah - not me. Sorry, but quirky isn't what I want and definitely not at that price.
Maybe they are thinking navigating Starbucks parking lot . Remember to stand on the pegs for speed bumps
The V85TT is not dad jeans, it’s the cool grandpa that no one expects did some crazy shit in his 20s.
I had an Africa Twin… made the mistake of riding a V85TT… a few weeks later it was in my driveway.
Guzzis are an acquired taste...they are not a sport bike from a Japanese manufacturer,but the modern day retro from Italy...I personally think they are doing great things....
Whitney's here! Excellent. Whitney and Spite's ride reviews from the [other channel which shall not be named...] were always entertaining and informative. Glad to see the team back together.
Sold my Beemer and got 85tt , very satisfied :)
Are you back with a bmw again yet ?
@@chrishart8548 No But i Went Back Further meaning Back To HONDA lol Still Have The GUZZI , and sorry but will never go back to BMW , Servicing and maintainance is too demanding and expensive
I bought a 2020 V85 Travel on a whim and was very pleasantly surprised.
Unless you need to feel your eyes pushed back into the back of your head power, the V85 will put a smile on your face. It’s not a race bike-it’s an air-cooled 850 with shaft drive! However……
Get rid of the cat with a y pipe and it sounds pretty darn good. Add an angostini or mistral pipe with a mild tune and you’ll have a hard time keeping from wrapping the throttle.
Still won’t win any races but you’ll have lots of fun. The bike actually handles better than you’d expect.
Moto Guzzi for sure. My son has the V7 Stone, which has the same engine, and I am looking at the V85tt. Just nice motorcycles. Fun, simple, reliable, efficient, and well styled machines. They just put a smile on your face every time you ride it; the way motorcycling was supposed to be.
The Guzzi is a really special bike, nothing like it.
"there is something very Italian refrigeratory about it" maybe the greatest comparison ever uttered about a motorcycle!
Thanks! So I bought a 2022 V85TT Guardia D'Onore. You reinforced my decision.
What the V85TT lacks in outright grunt compared to a Stelvio or GS, it makes up for in feeling lighter and more nimble. One of the best handling motorcycles I’ve owned.
Really enjoyed this video as a v85tt owner who almost bought an r9t. Bring back Whitney when possible. She adds a valuable and interesting perspective.
Oh sick, Spite's got a friend. Good to see he found someone with a personality for a change. Happy new year mate, looking forward to watching your journey through 2023!
Haha 😆
After months of doubt I went with Moto Guzzi V85TT (exact same color) since the R1250GS was too expensive and never saw the RnineT GS as a GS and after 1,5 years I couldn't be happier with my choice. It is great for commuting, travel and some off road. But the Moto Guzzi V-twin engines (with the exception of the new engine from the V100) are not new tech, they're from the 60's.
You guys nailed this review. I love my new V85TT.
Definitely the Moto Guzzi for me. I will be 68 in March and am 6'5" 280Lbs with a 32" inseam. Living in South Dakota, we have a fair amount of unpaved roads and a lot of miles between major towns and cities. Long distance comfort, good road manners, and a high MPG are a must out here. I already own a Victory Vision Tour which is a great mile muncher, but at 900lbs a little much for running around town and a little hairy on dirt and gravel. The Guzzi would be a great second motorcycle for both commuting and as a back up bike for long trips. The down side is that the nearest dealer is about 150 miles away as the crow flies. Thanks for the fair review,
Always awesome to see Whitney on the channel! Great bikes to feature. Happy New Year!
To all you newer riders, especially the younger ones: I just got back from a 1 hour ride on a Kawasaki VN 750 cruiser on twisty, hilly, mountainous gravel roads on the Foothills near Skyline Drive. More challenging than the off-road sections showed in the video. My advice is don't spend anymore than you would need to get a Himalayan; in fact you can spend half as much. If you're going to do a lot of off-road work get a dual purpose bike between a 250 and a 650. But even on gravel roads more challenging than the ones shown here I had a great time on my Vulcan 750. And I own a TW200, XT225, and the DR650. (Now I'm not recommending any other cruiser, and I've had a lot.) Use the $6-7,000 you'll save for trips gear and time off work. I've been riding since 1975 and have over two dozen bikes. Do yourself a favor and listen to an old man looking out for you!
I have seen people in Central America ride scooters in places that 99.9% of adventure bike riders would never dream of going.
@@beer3029 I fantasize going through some place in Central America on my dual range hi/lo transmission Honda CT110! It's really quite the little hill climber in LO gear.
I picked up a CRF300L and I've been enjoying the crap out of it. It's so much fun when I find a new dirt road to explore and for my skill level it's more than adequate for single/ double track.
@@schrodingersmechanic7622 That's an excellent choice! Finding the right fit for each rider is very important. So for me: The taller seat on the CRF is harder on my hip joint the day after compared to an XT. Also the XT compresses to a lower seat height when my weight is on it. And a used XT is cheaper than a CRF, another consideration. Also XT has a six-speed transmission. Is the CRF 5 speed or 6 speed? I got my XT 225 for $2,000 with 12,000 mi. So it's a great choice for an older, shorter, guy on a budget. The CRF300 is a better bike on a spreadsheet comparison, though.
@@papatorr3669 the crf is a 6 speed. I bought mine "used" with 200 miles on it for $5k. I imagine that bike will outlive me if I keep up on maintenance. I never expected a slow bike to be so much fun.
So cool to see Whitney on the channel. She's so down to Earth and sweet.
Very cool video as I actually have these two bikes in my garage.
The R9T is the equivalent of a sports car (reminds me of a Porche) sexy, lots of torque and very fast with a stiff suspension.
The V85 is just a great all-around bike. Enough power for town rides and highways, capable enough off-road to get you through dirt roads without issues, its good looking and most important for me it’s super comfortable. Like Spike said “A couch on 2-wheels”.
My favorite hands down: the V85TT.
Really glad you guys got the V85 instead of the RE as I actually just placed an order for the V85 earlier this week! Keep up the great content!
I put the taller windscreen on my v85tt and with the bags I love it. It does everything good.
I'm glad Moto Guzzi is getting some attention. Loving the videos Spite!
Moto Guzzi makes addictive, solid, rider-conceived motorcycles. They last and are really wonderful things that age well. I rode many BMW’s for years, bought many new and used older ones from the late 1970s up through 2015. Now I don’t. I still like some older ones, R-69s, R-75, R-90, R-100 and especially R-80 G/S. But the 2007-ish to now, I tried but they lost me. The newer, the less I like them unfortunately and I do not like feeling that way. The brand new ones are just not so nice to ride- or to own, in my opinion. I think I’m not alone, but not sure as I’m not really a hater and don’t want to go around talking bad but there it is. And I’ve had two bikes with the engine that is on the 9T there. It’s a sort of harsh and buzzy motor, some of them have notchy transmissions. Seats, well, no. Seems odd for such a price point. So - didn’t like them that much anymore although I tried almost out of habit or loyalty or hope or something, but liked them less anyway as time went on. To the point that when the follow-on water boxer engine series came out, gave a try, didn’t feel it, then when the price point shifted up again as well as the weight, when they got even fussier etc., it was a revelation - and a relief - to happen discover riding around on a Moto Guzzi. Twin, air, shaft, great brakes, good handling, mellow, quality build, serviceable ( though shaft service is not easy, it must me said). There are not enough dealers but it works out for various reasons. Worth a try imo, any model of new Guzzi is really ok enough to try out. They’re all cool, nice to ride around on, interesting and unusual. Some more unusual than others, true enough.
Whitney is such a lively and entertaining partner for spite. They really work together well
Great to have the band back together!!!
What a treat to see Whitney again! I really enjoy the banter back and forth between you two and hope there will be more of this. I do like the looks of the Moto Guzzi but that’s just me liking odd things. 1950’s Italian refrigerator 😂
Great review and descriptions! V85TT Centenario owner here and BMW lover. V85 is a really special bike.
I am a Gootsie lover. I thought when I saw the title another Guzzi blood bath. Surprised because of all the Beemer owners in the world. What really cracked me up was when you called the Beemer quirky. That's a term that has been associated with Guzzis for decades. BTW the colors on the Guzzi are the 100th anniversary colors.
Awesome to see Whitney you two work so well together...hope she becomes a more permanent contributor
@Whitney_Does is so brilliant in pairing these two as a matchup!
I kid you not. I was watching a video last night and said that I miss you doing these with Whitney. You guys make a good team.
I tend to be on the same page as Whitney. I like the bikes that somehow escape the bean counters and were passion projects. The v85 is cool, but the actual R9T scrambler with spoke wheels is way better as an esoteric all roads mount for me. I'd put the V85 against the F850, really. I might match her R9t against a V9 or something of the bobber/standards from Gootsie.
It's important not to crucify the quirky bikes on the altar of precision marketing targets and absolute flavor of the month market niches.
They're both great bikes that have wonderful quirky character. It just depends on what kind of weirdo you are and what weird thing are you going to do with them, which is usually the way you have epic fun on a motorcycle.
Love the dual-host setup here. Also wonderful to see Whitney on your channel!
I absolutely looooooooooveeeeeee the V85TT. The only bike I would buy from the dealership.
That v85 is one hell of a good looking adv bike
I’ve just discovered your channel after being curious about where you went, I love that you’re bringing in the people from you know who! You were the reason I watched him and it’s so sad what happened but it’s so so so good to see you building your own thing! Keep up the good work man!
Nice to see you guys together again !
Great comparison. The motoguzzi seems like a good alternative to other adv / sports touring options.
Guzzi Looks like a great tourer, Beemer looks like a great Weekender
I've spent a few hundred miles on a V85 and it's just a ludicrously comfortable place to sit, and I'm 6'7". Very impressive bike.
Awesome to see Whitney on here !
Great review. Always love when Whitney adds her take on things. The R9T is an awesome looking bike. BMW really knows how to finish their motorcycles. That said a MotoGuzzi V twin makes a very special sound. I'd have to hear it run but it looks great especially the way you sit on it, really looks comfortable.
I never thought it would be controversial for me to point out that the Guzzi’s v twin is just a v twin and it’s mounted sideways, and the bmw motor is a flat twin not a parallel twin, but both were said here. The first in the video, the second in the comment section spite called the boxer a p-twin. I feel like I’m being pranked 😂
Luckily In reality it’s a v twin which makes it a great motor
I got my 2020 TT85 from AF1. Love it. I am not a hard core speed rider and just love the way it handles. Such a beauty to look at as well. Great video
As a former Moto Guzzi 850 owner, I have always wondered what's so great about BMW - So I have now had 2 on extensive rides and owned one( just 4 months), and I got to say, they all suck hard in ways that matter to me as a rider - handling being my number one - BMW just cannot (flat twins) handle, on or off road, as well as that Guzzi. And BMWs are so common - you see them every day but the Guzzi draws attention everywhere, and not just from motorcyclists. Sadly gone from the quiver, replaced by a Ducati Monster S2R1000 now.
Nice one! Would love to also see a full V85TT video.
It's coming 👍
Another great video Spite. Good to see you hanging with Whitney too. Both of you are awesome.
Great video, I'm a fan, you two are good together. Do your best to follow up on your initial plans of having a Himalayan and a KLR 650.
I'm not giving up, that's coming for sure
@@spitescorner Please consider using this on future reviews- Instead of pointing out flaws and stating them as such, point out where it could be improved and how. No bike reviewer does this, they merely criticize without offering solutions. I strongly believe changing this aspect on your reviews would GREATLY enhance your relationships with manufacturers and dealerships.
KLR 650 vs KTM 390 ADV will also be interesting
@@spitescorner Please include Whitney on the KLR650 review to represent us shorter riders. I think your KLR 650 is a good fit for you. I would not recommend it to Whitney and would love to hear her feedback. At 5'4" I had to choose between lowering my KLR650 or selling it. I sold it for two reasons. It was a wonderful design from the factory and it lost some capability by lowering it. Reason 2 was that they made a better bike for shorter riders from the factory, the DR 650. Then of course you can go the other direction and get an even taller 650 from Honda. I'm dating myself as these are all decade old models and designs.
@@spitescorner Oh I'm waiting that one like crazy. It's actually the only two adventure bikes I adore
I really like the two person, two bike type of review where each person rides both bikes back to back. and compares them. This gives riders and readers a specific way to gauge the performance of a bike. I also understand Whitney's comment that a bike that is easier to ride and smoother isn't always the most fun.
'Round these parts Guzzi is like the dad-bikiest brand that ever took to the road. I only know one person under 50 with a Guzzi, and that's because she's literally riding her dad's bike. 🤣
HOWEVER, I love the Guzzi style, though I've only ever ridden the V7 Racer, and even that only on a closed course. They just look damn cool to me. The dads aren't wrong! I'd ride the heck out of a V85TT.
R1200 air/oil cooled unit is a motorcycle great , sadly the rest of this machine is NOT premium especially the front forks, you would find better on a Chinese 125. The top r9t comes with premium suspension but not this one. So you have too chuck money at it. The guzzi is absolutely unique it is in a class of ONE. You don't sit on it you wear it . Guzzi were once brought buy guzzi owners this bike as changed all that. Dealers report part ex's from all the other manufacturers. It's different but so is the beemer so may not be for everyone. Best bike I have ever ridden/owned and so proud to see it in my garage and be part of something very very special
Love the comparison (looking at a V85TT for my next ride) and the commentary from the two riders. 1st time I've watched the two youtubers. Great mash up. Love the food analogy too....tickled me that. Great chat between them 🙂👍🏍🎉
I love my V85 TT. Every time I ride it I grin like an idiot
Love the content. No give aways or selling. Just pure love of riding.
Nice to see Whitney again ! Love those double testing versus comparison like you did on the previous channel you both were on.
Dude(s), I'm so glad you didn’t slate the Guzzi. I ride a V7 (853) and I'm on the point of getting an ADV bike, the Guzzi 85TT is right up there against the Triumph Tiger 900, KTM 890, and Norden 901. I'm test riding one next week, and can't wait. The V7 is a gorgeous little bike, and for being well short of 100 HP is surprisingly quick.
It’s always good to see Whitney. I would go for the Moto Guzzi if that was my thing.
I was looking at both of these bikes, and finally decided on the Guzzi, I went into the dealer thinking BMW Scrambler and walked out with the Guzzi. The Out the Door Price with all the Boxes was Less Expensive. My next DYI Bike Build is a 2003 HD Sportster Scrambler
Loved the dynamic and differing perspectives!
Very cool to see the two of you put out a video together
I picked up my 2023 V85TT in November of 2023 and have fallen in love with it. The bike just seems to be a good all around bike. I now spend equal time in the saddle between it and my 2022 Harley Davidson Lowrider ST.
Both cool bikes, given the option I’d take the guzzi.
A man after my own heart
What a great video! Just my 2 cents why I like it so much:
You talk about aspects while demonstrating them (off road capabilities, on road)
You aren't just rambling in a helmet mic for the entire video
Switching between the 2 views while having a dialogue is refreshing
You both have your own honest opinions to give
Well edited together. I love the drone views in between.
You guys have good chemistry. Oh, yeah, the Moto Guzzi would be my pick. It has it in spades.
Great, fun to watch, review! That said, gimme the R9T all day lol! Happy New Year Spite, Whitney, and all riders!
Whitney is great! More videos with her please. I own a V85TT Travel and a V7III, so I’m a bit of a fanboy. I love the V85TT for many of the reasons you mentioned. It’s not perfect. But it’s perfect for me. Glad that Himalayan was sold…🙂
Great video guys, please continue making content together. 🙏
Great video Spite, the Whitney addition works well. I would like to try the Moto Guzzi, I have an RT, I love it.
100k subscribers.. congrats Spite your channel is getting bigger and bigger…
And everytime I ride the guzzi people inevitably say hey cool bike even squids lol
Spite, super great video. Don’t care about the BMW. Been waiting for someone on this side of the pond to do a proper video on the V 85TT And here you are riding one! Thanks for the solid info. Heading down to San Diego Moto Guzzi dealer tomorrow to take a looksee. PS super stoked about your channel. Well done!!
Great to see you guys talk together
I am not shocked that Whitney would get the BMW again. She sorta seems to have a fondness for odd and quirky bikes. I get the draw to kinda the less refined more mechanical raw feel. It is definitely a thing plenty of people enjoy. Me, between the two, the V85TT would win out I think for my personal interests.
awesome video - i started on a moto guzzi v7iii stone 750 and traded for a 2016 moto guzzi eldorado. bmw's are definitely on my list and i've *always* wanted to see you on more guzzi's and af1racing is my go-to for moda and accessories, so this was a super dope video for me. thanks you guys
It seems that the V transverse engine offers great smoothness. I owned an 82 Honda CX. It was my first bike and I may consider Guzzi someday.
I always enjoy seeing that abandon gas barbecue grill on your off road demos.
That's how you know it's a good video. The surprise grill
Love seeing you and Whitney together!!
The Guzzi is not an opposed twin. Its a transverse mounted V twin.
Great video again Spite!
Yay! Whitney and Spite!!! We love both of y'all
Love the two of you. You’re real and extra points for Whitney’s tee.
Another fantastic vid, go Whitney 😊😊😊👌
While you're riding Guzzi's, please try out a Griso? It's more in line with the RnineT.
Heck yeah love this. More scramblers and more Whitney features!
already at 100k subs keep it going bud !
Great content and conversational video.
Great to see Whitney on the channel. MG V85TT all the way.
Good to see Whitney on your channel. Nice video.
Really dig the look of the R9T. Great video as always
I've been wondering what Whitney was up to. I just haven't checked out a YN vid since the parting of the ways. Good to see you guys collaborating again. ✌️ Keep that shizz up, man!
Just watched Whitney’s ride with Kevin. Very happy for both of you. 🎉 👍🤪🇨🇦
I have a 1200 GS and I think it’s probably the best adventure tourer ever made. However I love Moto Guzzis and I really feel that BMW can get it really right or really wrong. The GS is poetry but the 1800 hundred cruiser and the scrambler just don’t seem to crack it somehow.
A motorcycle that reminds you of a refrigerator...., Whitney is one of a kind!
You two need to do a Ural and take turns in the side car... that would be hilarious!
I had the R9T UGS, and the engine is awesome, it power wheelies in 2nd gear very easily, loads of torque everywhere, sounds great even with stock exhaust. The only thing I felt was a disappointment was the budget suspensions that were just "ok" on road, offroad they were quite out of place.