🔴Do you think these problems are common among all trucks, or is the Ridgeline "unique"? 🤔 🏆It’s unfair for the 2025 Tacoma to be this good WATCH HERE 👉ua-cam.com/video/7YdzT1k4BHA/v-deo.html
I can only hope Honda engineers don't listen to you. I don't need an over powered,turbo charged maintenance nightmare. Ford,Ram, Toyota and GM can meet your needs. Leave the Ridgeline alone.
agreed! this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, the honda fleet is awesome from an engineering standpoint and consumer, this guy is a whacked job
First world problems. It’s a truck for people who need a truck once a year. It’s an suv with a bed, and it’s meant to be that. It’s not going off road, it’s not towing, it’s not hauling. It’s going to the shops or the soccer field. Stop being so negative with a car that perfectly meets the needs of the people who buy it.
I don't own one, but I like it very much. There are many more things to like about it than not. The one thing I would change is to bring back a traditional gear shifter.
Better build quality than a Hyundai Santa Cruz! A Honda will last much longer and have better resale value, too. I think Honda D&D did a good job. Toyota would have been the first with the A-BAT model had they gone into production with it. But management pulled the plug on it.
@@speedfreakwrx5956 EXACTLY! And after bowing down to social pressure to conform, I find that many times it’s just that one person buzzing about in a big lumbering truck trying to navigate the urban landscape…🤦♀️
I don't own a Ridgeline, but I think it's a very good vehicle for many reasons. Nothing's perfect, but this truck fills in 10 positive holes for every nit-picking negative trait.
You're opinion is juvenile at best....Rather than challenge your clear hate for the brand, try watching what every other journalist has to say about the truck and brand you obviously hate.
I purchased a 2023 Ridgeline RTL about a year ago and my only complaint is it needs cooled seats and a better radio other than that its a great mid sized truck. Its not made for rock crawling or mud bogging but when is the last time you did that with a new truck and if you did you have more money than brains. The ridgeline will cruse on the interstate at 90 and only turns 2K and get 24 mpg, it redlines at about 6800. With the 9 speed it gets the most out of the 280 horse V6 it never feels like it doesn't have enough power. It also rides and handles well, it doesn't have a tow mode but it does have a sport mode that can be used like a tow mode if you know how to drive. It has tons of room in the front a back, it also has a trunk that's big enough to get it. I'm also glad that people think the Ridgeline needs to be something it is not because you can get a real good deal on one, that's another reason I went with it.
I like the truck very much. The only thing I would change is to bring back the traditional gear shifter. I'm not a towing expert, but I currently drive a crossover with an engine and size similar to the Ridgeline. Mine did not come with tow haul mode. I simply went to U Haul and had a hitch and a controller installed, and then added a tranny cooler. My unit tows 4K fairly easily, and I've watched several Ridgeline videos where the owners easily towed 5K, even through mountain passes. Enjoy your truck!
I'm looking at a Ridgeline, the bed is much nicer for hauling sheet goods than the tacoma , ranger etc. Im not going off road in it and not towing construction equipment like a back hoe. It's great for what it's made for.
2023 Ridgeline sport here. Honestly not a bad choice for someone who's not into trucks. Traded in my Xs 2019 CRV for this just to get her off my credit line and I ended up liking it more than I thought. Considering I had to get something bigger and practical than a 2016 modified 370z for my toddlers day to day adventures I would recommend it as a dad truck. Especially with the built in cooler/trunk trips to the beach have been nice. Also My fellow single dads/gents get one without the center arm rest in the way 👍 you'll thank me later.
This video is misleading and seems to have been created by someone who dislikes the Ridgeline. First, the truck's bed payload capacity is 1,600 lbs, and it tows 5,000 lbs comfortably. While I agree it could use more power, it's still quick enough in sport mode. For comparison, a brand new Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro accelerates from 0-60 MPH in 7.1 seconds, while a base model Ridgeline achieves this in 6.2 seconds, thanks to its i-VTEC J35 engine paired with a 9-speed automatic transmission that allows for paddle shifting. I own a 2021 Ridgeline and often take my family on long road trips to RV parks without any issues. The truck bed is covered by a Diamondback cover and features a Yakima low-profile ladder rack for my Yakima Deepspace box and bikes. Additionally, I tow a Winnebago Micro Minnie 2100BH RV trailer that sleeps up to five people. I hope this clarifies any confusion stemming from the biased perspective of this UA-cam video.
just traded in my 2019 ridgeline with 119k on it (bought new). I had bad luck with transmission jutters/clunks/fluid pressure sensors dying since 50k...then got hit with the fuel injector defects and AC compressor failure. It wasn't a bad vehicle by any means, but I knew major bills were coming soon even after maintaining it well and mainly highway miles. This video is a little too negative unnecessarily.
Though I agree with you that the Ridgeline is outdated it is the perfect pickup for us. The swing open tail gate is a back injury saver it is easy to drive. We love our 2024 Ridgeline Trailsport. Believe it or not we get compliments on it often!
Ridgeline is a vehicle that will last! All the other Turbo charged mid size trucks are not proven! Who cares about interior design? These company are more concerned about "bells and whistles" on cars/trucks than reliablitily.
For everyone going to the comments early, for every item on this list except for two, he just said the design choices were boring. The exceptions were a complaint that there's no offroad mode selection (but he was wrong, it does have that feature), and he was upset that the tow and cargo capacities were lacking (something to be expected on a unibody design, but the ridgeline still matches most of the midsize segment. He then misquotes another truck's tow capacity). All in all, the guy really didn't do his research before making this video, he just looked at a few pictures and spitballed a few superficial things to complain about.
I have had many Honda Ridgelines......over the years. Starting with GEN 1 back in 2005 or 06-when ever Gen 1 hit the scene. Ergonomics, gear shifts, towing, "the feel of the engine" , the engine being "long in the tooth" rock-crawling was never a consideration. Reliability was THE consideration!! When you live in a very rural area and you are miles and miles and miles from hospitals and the nearest Walmart-- you need a reliable truck: the Honda Ridgeline is what you need. Your argument seems to be that of a man who likes to engage in highly abstract debates for very specific reasons: money, ego.....who knows...? If I had to tow 8,000 lbs every other day or if I did hard-core off-roading or if I cared about rock-crawling: Would I buy a Honda Ridgeline? Of course not! Thanks for the laugh when you said "people fall asleep looking..." at the Honda Trailsport for 2024!! To each his own!
I don't own a Ridgeline, but I've watched MANY lengthy reviews about them. I like almost everything about this truck. The only thing I would change is to bring back the traditional gear shifter. Enjoy your truck!
@@watchmanonthewall14 TRUST ME: THE PUSH BUTTON GEAR SHIFTER IS MUCH BETTER!!! FOOT ON THE BREAKS::Push a button P to put it in park. Or D/S button for drive or sports mode or pull back on R to put it in reverse. So very easy to use!! The "traditional gear shifter" seems to be old technology! It is very very very easy to get use to...... Check out a few push button gear shifter videos. Thanks Good Luck!!
The v-6 is fine, the transmission is smoother than butter, the interior is fine and super comfortable, we don't go off-road, once again with the design obsession, I'm not even sure what the 6th problem is supposed to be other than this guy doesn't like it. I love my Ridgeline, smooth comfortable ride, great for hauling stuff around town. I think everybody knows it's not an off-road or camper towing type of truck. It's absolutely the best tailgate truck with the built in ice chest and pickup bed speakers.
It's always the best to buy your needs. If your idea of need and practicality is flying up mountain sides in a 40k pickup terrorizing mountain goats, so be it. Here in the mid-west, we need vehicles that are dependable in -25 ' weather on snow and icy roads. I drove a Chevy Colorado and really wanted to like it. They are a very nice-looking vehicle. It was very cramped inside and the engine was too noisy inside the cab for comfort. The dash did light up like Time Square if that is important to you. My 2024 Ridgeline RTL is roomy, comfortable, and quiet inside. The engine has plenty of power to pass anything you need to anytime you want to. It has the most storage available of anything in its class. you can lay a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed and it's carrying capacity is not that much less. If you need to tow 8k or more, you should consider a full-sized pickup. It is over-priced and the 9sp transmission is a little too busy. But so is the 8sp. The collision mitigation and adaptive cruise control is overly sensitive. I would like to see Honda release a patch, but they rarely do anything unless they are forced into it. Like all vehicles today, they are over engineered. I don't care for the cylinder mismanagement, or the stop start but there are aftermarket kits available to take care of those. I'm not wild about the console electric shift, but even the Corvettes and the Lambros have that.
Not everybody buys a truck for offroading. Some people just need a reliable truck that can pull a small trailer , get you around in rain, ice, and snow without pretending you can go rock crawling. No rocks in Louisiana.
You should think about reviewing food instead of trucks. The Honda does just fine off road given it's ground clearance, and that motor will last forever. Comparing a Corolla GR to a Honda Ridgeline is just crazy.
Out. I can't watch the rest of this. We know it's not a truck. It's a car with a bed. And a very smooth ride. You didn't mention that. If you want to bash something, bash the PRICE. They are WAY overpriced for what you get.
Yikes, yikes, showing your young age. You have been brain washed by Apple, every new model has to have a zillion new features or it's oh so last week. It's not a Corvette, it a comfortable pickup, it was not built to be exciting, it was built to be reliable, quiet and functional, not a drag race vehicle.
I am looking at the ridgeline build now for 25. It's clearly out in front. AWD system as the default selection. If we're comparing new to new. You should be clear in that distinction. This review comes off as childish overall. I don't even own one, but shit reviews are shit.
You are ridiculous with your over-barring complaints. Everyone wants on of these because they are so useful and reliable. You are not the trend setter for interiors. I’ll go buy one just because you are so negative.
Honestly, I loved my Ridgeline - a fantastic “truck.” However, I did not love pulling up to the gas pump! I replaced it with a PHEV and mostly plug-in and drive cheap, but can still run HEV for longer road trips.
it is obvious this person has not owned or driven a ridgeline i have two a 2017 and a 2019 almost 190,000 mile between the two. while not perfect i do hope HONDA does not lision to this review and total will mess the ridgeline up with a 4 cylinder turbo high maintance issue. while a slight power increase may sound good it is not needed. i do wish the transmission shifter was in the 2024 i do not want a fancy dash i like simple and eaSY. THIS REVIEWER NEEDS TO FIND BETTER LINE OF WORK
Crazy man you compare with yaris gr 😂 and Nissan frontier the bad pick up on market you said the spaceful cabin its bad and ugly maybe you shorty but its comfort the most important in trucks i dont have one but you dont know nothing 😂😂
Its fine, its a street truck, and its Vtech v6 boring and its faster 0-60 than the Frontier and it does have a drive select, for road, sand, mud, and snow wtf...this video is brain dead lol
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, this was just a poor example of stating them. Should rename the title of this video. I wouldn't call the majority of what you said problems. Thumbs down on this one 👎. That's just MY opinion 😂.
🔴Do you think these problems are common among all trucks, or is the Ridgeline "unique"? 🤔
🏆It’s unfair for the 2025 Tacoma to be this good WATCH HERE 👉ua-cam.com/video/7YdzT1k4BHA/v-deo.html
I can only hope Honda engineers don't listen to you. I don't need an over powered,turbo charged maintenance nightmare. Ford,Ram, Toyota and GM can meet your needs. Leave the Ridgeline alone.
That's the correct answer.
Exactly. This is perfect for average truck guys
agreed! this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, the honda fleet is awesome from an engineering standpoint and consumer, this guy is a whacked job
Old model, old power train - better reliability. Boring is good.
That's the correct answer.
Exactly
First world problems. It’s a truck for people who need a truck once a year. It’s an suv with a bed, and it’s meant to be that. It’s not going off road, it’s not towing, it’s not hauling. It’s going to the shops or the soccer field. Stop being so negative with a car that perfectly meets the needs of the people who buy it.
For sure
I don't own one, but I like it very much. There are many more things to like about it than not. The one thing I would change is to bring back a traditional gear shifter.
Better build quality than a Hyundai Santa Cruz! A Honda will last much longer and have better resale value, too. I think Honda D&D did a good job. Toyota would have been the first with the A-BAT model had they gone into production with it. But management pulled the plug on it.
@@speedfreakwrx5956 EXACTLY! And after bowing down to social pressure to conform, I find that many times it’s just that one person buzzing about in a big lumbering truck trying to navigate the urban landscape…🤦♀️
Not for "hauling or towing"?
1500 lb payload and 5k towing.
I do both in mine frequently.
Room temperature IQ meets well engineered vehicle.
After dealing with engine issues with my last Hyundai, I'll take the reliability of the Ridgeline.
That's the correct answer.
Nobody actually goes off road and if you’re towing more than 5k lbs, you’re not buying a midsize.
The powertrain is the primary reason to buy this vehicle. I stopped watching right there. This is just a bs attack.
I don't own a Ridgeline, but I think it's a very good vehicle for many reasons. Nothing's perfect, but this truck fills in 10 positive holes for every nit-picking negative trait.
That’s the problem with opinions…everyone has one and not all of them are worth a cup of warm piss…
You're opinion is juvenile at best....Rather than challenge your clear hate for the brand, try watching what every other journalist has to say about the truck and brand you obviously hate.
I like the truck very much, for many reasons. The only thing I would change is to bring back the traditional gear shifter.
I purchased a 2023 Ridgeline RTL about a year ago and my only complaint is it needs cooled seats and a better radio other than that its a great mid sized truck. Its not made for rock crawling or mud bogging but when is the last time you did that with a new truck and if you did you have more money than brains. The ridgeline will cruse on the interstate at 90 and only turns 2K and get 24 mpg, it redlines at about 6800. With the 9 speed it gets the most out of the 280 horse V6 it never feels like it doesn't have enough power. It also rides and handles well, it doesn't have a tow mode but it does have a sport mode that can be used like a tow mode if you know how to drive. It has tons of room in the front a back, it also has a trunk that's big enough to get it. I'm also glad that people think the Ridgeline needs to be something it is not because you can get a real good deal on one, that's another reason I went with it.
I like the truck very much. The only thing I would change is to bring back the traditional gear shifter. I'm not a towing expert, but I currently drive a crossover with an engine and size similar to the Ridgeline. Mine did not come with tow haul mode. I simply went to U Haul and had a hitch and a controller installed, and then added a tranny cooler. My unit tows 4K fairly easily, and I've watched several Ridgeline videos where the owners easily towed 5K, even through mountain passes. Enjoy your truck!
It’s probably the only truck that doesn’t have issues!!
Toyota tundra enters the chat.
I'm looking at a Ridgeline, the bed is much nicer for hauling sheet goods than the tacoma , ranger etc. Im not going off road in it and not towing construction equipment like a back hoe. It's great for what it's made for.
You have no idea what you talking about, Ram, GMC, Toyota trucks all have engine and transmission problems. Honda is base and reliable,
90% of American truck owners would be better served to have a Ridgeline.
Ninety percent of truck owners are too insecure to own a Ridgeline.
The ridgeline still isn't a truck, that's why.
@Ccd-c6d and most truck owners are pretend rugged
@@lukelowe918 and most ridgeline owners pretend they have a truck
2023 Ridgeline sport here. Honestly not a bad choice for someone who's not into trucks. Traded in my Xs 2019 CRV for this just to get her off my credit line and I ended up liking it more than I thought. Considering I had to get something bigger and practical than a 2016 modified 370z for my toddlers day to day adventures I would recommend it as a dad truck. Especially with the built in cooler/trunk trips to the beach have been nice. Also My fellow single dads/gents get one without the center arm rest in the way 👍 you'll thank me later.
Just bought a 2023 Sport, fantastic vehicle for what it is.
I bought a 23 black edition best choice ever.
Turbocharged little motors won't last over 200,000 miles. So your #1 sucks!
Especially if towing hard miles.
What a hater. I haven't agreed with any of this?
Bought the 2025 ridgeline sport, had it for a month now. The cars a dream! It’s gonna last me years.
This video is misleading and seems to have been created by someone who dislikes the Ridgeline. First, the truck's bed payload capacity is 1,600 lbs, and it tows 5,000 lbs comfortably. While I agree it could use more power, it's still quick enough in sport mode. For comparison, a brand new Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro accelerates from 0-60 MPH in 7.1 seconds, while a base model Ridgeline achieves this in 6.2 seconds, thanks to its i-VTEC J35 engine paired with a 9-speed automatic transmission that allows for paddle shifting.
I own a 2021 Ridgeline and often take my family on long road trips to RV parks without any issues. The truck bed is covered by a Diamondback cover and features a Yakima low-profile ladder rack for my Yakima Deepspace box and bikes. Additionally, I tow a Winnebago Micro Minnie 2100BH RV trailer that sleeps up to five people. I hope this clarifies any confusion stemming from the biased perspective of this UA-cam video.
just traded in my 2019 ridgeline with 119k on it (bought new). I had bad luck with transmission jutters/clunks/fluid pressure sensors dying since 50k...then got hit with the fuel injector defects and AC compressor failure. It wasn't a bad vehicle by any means, but I knew major bills were coming soon even after maintaining it well and mainly highway miles. This video is a little too negative unnecessarily.
no it's necessary. And by your list of problems it's almost laughable you say it isn't.
Though I agree with you that the Ridgeline is outdated it is the perfect pickup for us. The swing open tail gate is a back injury saver it is easy to drive. We love our 2024 Ridgeline Trailsport. Believe it or not we get compliments on it often!
Ridgeline is a vehicle that will last! All the other Turbo charged mid size trucks are not proven! Who cares about interior design? These company are more concerned about "bells and whistles" on cars/trucks than reliablitily.
Check out the Hyundai and Kia models with all their problems with engine replacements..... and the bills leading up to the engine replacment.
IMO, You're wrong. If you feel this strongly about the Ridgeline, by all means buy a Toyota, please!
For everyone going to the comments early, for every item on this list except for two, he just said the design choices were boring. The exceptions were a complaint that there's no offroad mode selection (but he was wrong, it does have that feature), and he was upset that the tow and cargo capacities were lacking (something to be expected on a unibody design, but the ridgeline still matches most of the midsize segment. He then misquotes another truck's tow capacity). All in all, the guy really didn't do his research before making this video, he just looked at a few pictures and spitballed a few superficial things to complain about.
I have had many Honda Ridgelines......over the years. Starting with GEN 1 back in 2005 or 06-when ever Gen 1 hit the scene.
Ergonomics, gear shifts, towing, "the feel of the engine" , the engine being "long in the tooth" rock-crawling was never a consideration. Reliability was THE consideration!!
When you live in a very rural area and you are miles and miles and miles from hospitals and the nearest Walmart-- you need a reliable truck: the Honda Ridgeline is what you need.
Your argument seems to be that of a man who likes to engage in highly abstract debates for very specific reasons: money, ego.....who knows...?
If I had to tow 8,000 lbs every other day or if I did hard-core off-roading or if I cared about rock-crawling: Would I buy a Honda Ridgeline? Of course not!
Thanks for the laugh when you said "people fall asleep looking..." at the Honda Trailsport for 2024!!
To each his own!
I don't own a Ridgeline, but I've watched MANY lengthy reviews about them. I like almost everything about this truck. The only thing I would change is to bring back the traditional gear shifter. Enjoy your truck!
@@watchmanonthewall14 TRUST ME: THE PUSH BUTTON GEAR SHIFTER IS MUCH BETTER!!! FOOT ON THE BREAKS::Push a button P to put it in park. Or D/S button for drive or sports mode or
pull back on R to put it in reverse. So very easy to use!! The "traditional gear shifter" seems to be old technology!
It is very very very easy to get use to......
Check out a few push button gear shifter videos. Thanks Good Luck!!
This is just stupid
The v-6 is fine, the transmission is smoother than butter, the interior is fine and super comfortable, we don't go off-road, once again with the design obsession, I'm not even sure what the 6th problem is supposed to be other than this guy doesn't like it.
I love my Ridgeline, smooth comfortable ride, great for hauling stuff around town. I think everybody knows it's not an off-road or camper towing type of truck. It's absolutely the best tailgate truck with the built in ice chest and pickup bed speakers.
These are the best worst problems you can come up with ? I got me a ford ranger but listening to you makes me feel like I chose wrong 😂
The Ridgeline is a very good truck. I would choose it over the competition, for many reasons.
That wouldn't change my mind about it is the best truck for me and I Don't have any problem with it
It's always the best to buy your needs. If your idea of need and practicality is flying up mountain sides in a 40k pickup terrorizing mountain goats, so be it. Here in the mid-west, we need vehicles that are dependable in -25 ' weather on snow and icy roads. I drove a Chevy Colorado and really wanted to like it. They are a very nice-looking vehicle. It was very cramped inside and the engine was too noisy inside the cab for comfort. The dash did light up like Time Square if that is important to you.
My 2024 Ridgeline RTL is roomy, comfortable, and quiet inside. The engine has plenty of power to pass anything you need to anytime you want to. It has the most storage available of anything in its class. you can lay a 4x8 sheet of plywood in the bed and it's carrying capacity is not that much less. If you need to tow 8k or more, you should consider a full-sized pickup. It is over-priced and the 9sp transmission is a little too busy. But so is the 8sp. The collision mitigation and adaptive cruise control is overly sensitive. I would like to see Honda release a patch, but they rarely do anything unless they are forced into it. Like all vehicles today, they are over engineered. I don't care for the cylinder mismanagement, or the stop start but there are aftermarket kits available to take care of those. I'm not wild about the console electric shift, but even the Corvettes and the Lambros have that.
When you say problems, you really mean things you don't like about the vehicle.
Not everybody buys a truck for offroading. Some people just need a reliable truck that can pull a small trailer , get you around in rain, ice, and snow without pretending you can go rock crawling. No rocks in Louisiana.
Its not a truck. Thats the answer to all these questions.
You should think about reviewing food instead of trucks. The Honda does just fine off road given it's ground clearance, and that motor will last forever. Comparing a Corolla GR to a Honda Ridgeline is just crazy.
All anyone needs to know is it isnt a truck. Period. It is an suv.
And now let’s find something significant to watch….
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Out. I can't watch the rest of this. We know it's not a truck. It's a car with a bed. And a very smooth ride. You didn't mention that. If you want to bash something, bash the PRICE. They are WAY overpriced for what you get.
Yikes, yikes, showing your young age. You have been brain washed by Apple, every new model has to have a zillion new features or it's oh so last week. It's not a Corvette, it a comfortable pickup, it was not built to be exciting, it was built to be reliable, quiet and functional, not a drag race vehicle.
That's the correct answer.
I know youre not preferring the toyota gr engine with its holes in the block to a NA 6 cyl.
I am looking at the ridgeline build now for 25. It's clearly out in front. AWD system as the default selection. If we're comparing new to new. You should be clear in that distinction. This review comes off as childish overall. I don't even own one, but shit reviews are shit.
You are ridiculous with your over-barring complaints. Everyone wants on of these because they are so useful and reliable. You are not the trend setter for interiors. I’ll go buy one just because you are so negative.
Absolutely!
and the turbo's are blowing up left and right
This video it's brought to you by A PAID TOYOTA employee!!!!
Come on man it's not that bad.
I do not own one, but I think it's a great vehicle.
you people haven't got a bloody clue what us consumers want and need
Honestly, I loved my Ridgeline - a fantastic “truck.” However, I did not love pulling up to the gas pump!
I replaced it with a PHEV and mostly plug-in and drive cheap, but can still run HEV for longer road trips.
Nissan usa...no wonder you're dogging the Ridgeline.😅
Unibody, gas engine? It's not even a truck
it is obvious this person has not owned or driven a ridgeline i have two a 2017 and a 2019 almost 190,000 mile between the two. while not perfect i do hope HONDA does not lision to this review and total will mess the ridgeline up with a 4 cylinder turbo high maintance issue. while a slight power increase may sound good it is not needed. i do wish the transmission shifter was in the 2024 i do not want a fancy dash i like simple and eaSY. THIS REVIEWER NEEDS TO FIND BETTER LINE OF WORK
He seems to really hate the ridge line
Man. Really poor video. Totally off on 5 of 6 issues.
wahhh, it's a Honda. nuff said.
Crazy man you compare with yaris gr 😂 and Nissan frontier the bad pick up on market you said the spaceful cabin its bad and ugly maybe you shorty but its comfort the most important in trucks i dont have one but you dont know nothing 😂😂
Its fine, its a street truck, and its Vtech v6 boring and its faster 0-60 than the Frontier and it does have a drive select, for road, sand, mud, and snow wtf...this video is brain dead lol
Everyone's entitled to their opinions, this was just a poor example of stating them. Should rename the title of this video. I wouldn't call the majority of what you said problems. Thumbs down on this one 👎. That's just MY opinion 😂.
you are so wrong
😂😂😂
Honda CEO should FIRED all the Engineers for making lousy and V6 Timing Belt.