The flux used in soldering is highly acidic. With that style door in the top of the can it would have needed a lot of heat / flux / solder to seal it up. The cardboard would have soaked up the excess flux while it was hot and still liquid and became saturated. The saturated cardboard would set up the perfect conditions for galvanic corrosion between the brass ammo and the tin box. I think that is why the crimped boxes do so much better, any soldering is on the outside. Great video, looking forward to the testing.... thank you : ).
Isn’t that lid made before it’s crimped to the top of the can? Like, the can is filled, then that lid is crimped on. They don’t fill it through the mouth and then solder the flap down…
@@reccecs4 Not sure of the process, so I threw that out there as a possible cause. My experience is that the countries that used the large door in the top of the cans seem to have the most corrosion damage. I will throw out another possible scenario, I don't think anyone thought this stuff would be in these cans for this long. So there was no real data on how long the ammo would last stored like this. Because of how roughly cut and resealed these openings are. I would not be shocked to find out that the cans were opened at one point for inspection and resealed. What ever the case may be the cans with the large zinc or lead soldered openings seem to have the most damage. I love a good mystery : ).
I pulled and reworked some Turk 8mm from 1948 it looked alot like this on the outside was clean and shiny on the inside I reduced charge a lil bit and so far no delay or misfires
I've pulled a few apart and they look far better on the inside than on the outside. If the primers are OK I suspect they will work decently as the powder looks/smells fine.
7:44 This is made in Isael by Iraeli Military Industry in the year 1955. XI is for the month of manufacture 11 = November. Hebrew letters: "מ.י.ת" stand for: Hebrew: "מפעל יצור תחמושת" "Mifal Yazur Tahmoshet" English: "Ammunition manufacturing plant". Thank you for the video!
Looks like the loose Israeli 8mm that came into the country in the mid 90s. Was sold as battlefield pickup in various calibers like 7.62X51, 7.62X39 & 8X57.
Yes, it's an "unboxing", just like the video title indicated. I plan on doing another video where the rounds will be broken down and examined in detail.
I have high hopes that they will. The powder appears to be fine, and the primers have a sealant around them, so they stand a good chance of still being fine.
I think this came out of an auction of an estate. The "original" owner probably purchased the stuff 30-40 years ago from a place like International Firearms, they had scads of cheap surplus years ago.
Idk how long this ammo has been here. but there was a shipment of Israeli Mausers a few years ago in 8mm of all things that had been hiding in a warehouse somewhere for years
@@314299 Just found this vid was very good whats was the price on this?..All this surplus nowadays is pretty much dried up and long gone but some stuff remaining they charge an insane amount i saw some vids recently they want nearly $800 for a crate of 8mm and the comment section was in uproar over in..I miss the 1990's a crate of 7.62mm 1200 rounds for under $100 ahh memories the good old days yno
I hope this stuff goes bang. I have shot ammo that looked worse than that which was ok (possibly Spanish 7x57), then I have shot ammo that looked better that was not ok (Syrian 7.5 French).
Yes appearances are not a terribly good predictor of how well old ammo performs. The initial quality of manufacture is a big part of how reliable or unreliable it is.
It seems to me that if the inside of the cases are rust free, and the primers aren't too bad, it should still be shooting ammo. Clean some up and see how it works.
I think the ammo was damp when placed in the can and then sealed so the rust hole is from the inside out not outside in... maybe. Otherwise the can would be outside rusty....again maybe.
Yes, the down side to purchasing a sealed can of ammo on an on-line auction. An in person examination of the can would have been nice and would have tempered the value.
I take it they were famous for selling less than prime condition ammo? I have pulled several apart and the powder is fine and the inside of the cases look fine.
Sad for the owner! Might be a lot of good cases, being boxer primed, and bullets. I've got a bunch of Turk 8mm stuff, headstamped in the 40s that shoots great, if a bit hot. It's fine in my bolt gun, but I wouldn't want to try it in an autoloader.
I was a bit disappointed for him when I saw the condition of the contents. However it still could function OK despite the exterior condition of the rounds, I've taken down a few rounds and the interior of the cases and powder seems fine. If the primers are OK it ought to be fine.
Yes indeed there is not much on the market at the moment in the way of surplus ammo. Every now and again there is the odd bit of "secondary" market ammo like the stuff in the video.
@@314299 I had purchased 1000 rounds years ago. It was in better condition, but had some misfires. I wish that I had purchased more because brass case and boxer primed.
Pakistani surplus ammunition is similary very poorly packed. Years ago,I learned from opening old military surplus ammunition ,that it is important, imperative to take necessary precautions for your health and safety. Such as opening such old ammunition boxes in the Outdoors,wear work cloths,eye glases,mask nytril gloves, and over the Nytril Gloves Leather/ Suede work gloves. I use stainless steel long Food Tongs to handle anything dangerous nasty dirty. Wipe down all contaminated ammunition,as well as any tools you used. Baby Wipes soaked in white Vinegar or peroxide work well to decontaminate items and surfaces. Air/ sun dry ammunition before restoring it. It also does not hurt to say prayers for anyone who lost their lives associated with such war era surplus ammunition. sprinkle some Holy Water on the outside and inside of the surplus ammunition that was in a war conflict area,as you just never know what may come with it! Recycle or burn all old contaminated paper,wood. I wonder what type of powder is loaded in those 8mm Mauser rounds? Cordite? The US Military's durable gasket sealed ammunition cans seem to be the best to store ammunition in for long-term storage.
I recently opened a box of packet of 1950 Canadian manufactured .303 British that looked much better than this, though some of them did see some corrosion. At any rate, cool video.
Sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "re-elaborated". If you mean rebuilt than I think they can be, if it is needed. Perhaps a good cleaning may be all that is required. If test firing proves successful and they are safe and mostly reliable that would be the way to go. If the primers end up being suspect (duds or hangfires) they can be pulled down to have the primers replaced with fresh ones as they take standard large rifle primers.
The lettering is almost all Hebrew; I speak the language a bit myself. Here's the bullet's headstamp marks: 55 מ.י.ת XI [Magen David stamp] Hope this is helpful, cool video!
The flux used in soldering is highly acidic. With that style door in the top of the can it would have needed a lot of heat / flux / solder to seal it up.
The cardboard would have soaked up the excess flux while it was hot and still liquid and became saturated.
The saturated cardboard would set up the perfect conditions for galvanic corrosion between the brass ammo and the tin box.
I think that is why the crimped boxes do so much better, any soldering is on the outside.
Great video, looking forward to the testing.... thank you : ).
That is the best explanation yet to why the corrosion occurred, thank you!
Isn’t that lid made before it’s crimped to the top of the can? Like, the can is filled, then that lid is crimped on. They don’t fill it through the mouth and then solder the flap down…
@@reccecs4 Not sure of the process, so I threw that out there as a possible cause. My experience is that the countries that used the large door in the top of the cans seem to have the most corrosion damage. I will throw out another possible scenario, I don't think anyone thought this stuff would be in these cans for this long. So there was no real data on how long the ammo would last stored like this. Because of how roughly cut and resealed these openings are. I would not be shocked to find out that the cans were opened at one point for inspection and resealed. What ever the case may be the cans with the large zinc or lead soldered openings seem to have the most damage. I love a good mystery : ).
I'm nerding out over this video.
If you like nerding out next thing is to break ten or twenty rounds down to see what's inside.
I pulled and reworked some Turk 8mm from 1948 it looked alot like this on the outside was clean and shiny on the inside I reduced charge a lil bit and so far no delay or misfires
I've pulled a few apart and they look far better on the inside than on the outside. If the primers are OK I suspect they will work decently as the powder looks/smells fine.
Oooooohhhh uncrating!! Very cool
It's unfortunate that the contents were not in better condition.
7:44 This is made in Isael by Iraeli Military Industry in the year 1955. XI is for the month of manufacture 11 = November. Hebrew letters: "מ.י.ת" stand for: Hebrew: "מפעל יצור תחמושת" "Mifal Yazur Tahmoshet" English: "Ammunition manufacturing plant". Thank you for the video!
Thank you for the translation!
Looks like the loose Israeli 8mm that came into the country in the mid 90s. Was sold as battlefield pickup in various calibers like 7.62X51, 7.62X39 & 8X57.
Although exterior condition of this stuff turned out to be poor when I shot some it worked perfectly.
Unboxing video. I was hoping to see the powder and primer.
Yes, it's an "unboxing", just like the video title indicated.
I plan on doing another video where the rounds will be broken down and examined in detail.
Mine was boxer meaning if you wet tumble the brass and anneal the necks you will have lots of useable components.
This stuff is boxer primed as well.
Wow, it will be interesting to see if they will fire.
I have high hopes that they will. The powder appears to be fine, and the primers have a sealant around them, so they stand a good chance of still being fine.
Well that's sad for the owner. Thanks for the video
Yes it is a bit of a bummer as it was not purchased at a bargain price.
Great way to spend time waiting for mud season to dry up.
Yeah we are getting into "Rasputitsa" once again. I've been going to the Trap and Skeet club again, no mud issues to contend with there.
I assumed it was Hebrew the second I saw it. That's cool I want one of those headstones.
I'm far from expert but that is what it looks to me.
Wow where do they hide all that stuff!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
I think this came out of an auction of an estate. The "original" owner probably purchased the stuff 30-40 years ago from a place like International Firearms, they had scads of cheap surplus years ago.
Idk how long this ammo has been here. but there was a shipment of Israeli Mausers a few years ago in 8mm of all things that had been hiding in a warehouse somewhere for years
@@314299 Just found this vid was very good whats was the price on this?..All this surplus nowadays is pretty much dried up and long gone but some stuff remaining they charge an insane amount i saw some vids recently they want nearly $800 for a crate of 8mm and the comment section was in uproar over in..I miss the 1990's a crate of 7.62mm 1200 rounds for under $100 ahh memories the good old days yno
Interesting!! Always thought about buying a crate (if available 😂) but I reload so it would be a waste of money!! Reloading is a deep rabbit hole
Surplus ammo really made more sense when it was really cheap.
@@314299 exactly!!
Maybe Humidity?
Most likely.
🇦🇺😎👍Great video mate
Thanks.
now id love to know if it will fire as is
We will find out in due course. Unfortunately at the moment we are entering "mud season" so range access can be a bit limited.
I hope this stuff goes bang. I have shot ammo that looked worse than that which was ok (possibly Spanish 7x57), then I have shot ammo that looked better that was not ok (Syrian 7.5 French).
Yes appearances are not a terribly good predictor of how well old ammo performs. The initial quality of manufacture is a big part of how reliable or unreliable it is.
If the primers still go Bang it's shootable but cleaning alllll that brass before hand.. Ooof..
Might be a good task for the old dry tumbler.
It seems to me that if the inside of the cases are rust free, and the primers aren't too bad, it should still be shooting ammo. Clean some up and see how it works.
I've fired some of the ammo and it works great despite the appearance.
omg his alive :D
I'm glad to hear I'm alive, I was starting to worry....
I think the ammo was damp when placed in the can and then sealed so the rust hole is from the inside out not outside in... maybe. Otherwise the can would be outside rusty....again maybe.
That could be, or the carton material was of poor quality and acidic, breaking itself down and causing the corrosion.
@@314299 There needs to be moisture I think, and acid would make the boxes very yellow like old newspaper.
@@danielleclare2938 Perhaps. Might have had one small hole or puncture that let moisture into the can.
I hope it works
I broke one down and the powder seems OK. I suspect it's down to if the primers are still good or not.
Too bad it turn out so tarnished. hope he can still get them to fire
Yeah I hope so. I plan to test some out, hopefully soon.
Ya pays yer money, ya roll the dice...
Yes, the down side to purchasing a sealed can of ammo on an on-line auction. An in person examination of the can would have been nice and would have tempered the value.
🤘🏼👍🏼🤟🏽💪🏼🤟🏽🤟🏽
Keep your fingers crossed that the stuff shoots OK.
@@314299 its always in back of my head it aint... I was just looking at remainders of a case of Turkish I have...
I didn't know Paragon Sales was back in business.😉
Seriously, pull a few bullets and inspect the powder.
I take it they were famous for selling less than prime condition ammo?
I have pulled several apart and the powder is fine and the inside of the cases look fine.
Very cool but this is why I just reload for my mausers. No more good deals to be had on surplus.
Yes, the era of cheap surplus ammo has for the most part passed by.
Sad for the owner! Might be a lot of good cases, being boxer primed, and bullets. I've got a bunch of Turk 8mm stuff, headstamped in the 40s that shoots great, if a bit hot. It's fine in my bolt gun, but I wouldn't want to try it in an autoloader.
I was a bit disappointed for him when I saw the condition of the contents. However it still could function OK despite the exterior condition of the rounds, I've taken down a few rounds and the interior of the cases and powder seems fine. If the primers are OK it ought to be fine.
A good cleaning in a vibratory tumbler and they will look much better.
There are a few in the tumbler right now as a test batch.
Love the ammo unboxings, although too bad about that ammo condition. The only surplus I see these days is just Norinco 7.62
Yes indeed there is not much on the market at the moment in the way of surplus ammo. Every now and again there is the odd bit of "secondary" market ammo like the stuff in the video.
I predict boxer primed.
You are correct, it is indeed boxer primed.
@@314299 I had purchased 1000 rounds years ago. It was in better condition, but had some misfires. I wish that I had purchased more because brass case and boxer primed.
Appears to be water damaged.
Looks like it but I have to wonder how the water got in it in the first place.
Throw them into a media tumbler for a half hour to get the rust off. If they are sealed at the primer and bullet crimp area they might still be good?
Yes, tumbling a test quantity of them is something I plan on doing.
damn corrosion, what a waste of ammo :(, it's still shootable?
I think it is still usable. We shall find out....
@@314299 be careful mate!
Pakistani surplus ammunition is similary very poorly packed.
Years ago,I learned from opening old military surplus ammunition ,that it is important, imperative to take necessary precautions for your health and safety.
Such as opening such old ammunition boxes in the Outdoors,wear work cloths,eye glases,mask nytril gloves, and over the Nytril Gloves Leather/ Suede work gloves.
I use stainless steel long Food Tongs to handle anything dangerous nasty dirty.
Wipe down all contaminated ammunition,as well as any tools you used. Baby Wipes soaked in white Vinegar or peroxide work well to decontaminate items and surfaces. Air/ sun dry ammunition before restoring it.
It also does not hurt to say prayers for anyone who lost their lives associated with such war era surplus ammunition. sprinkle some Holy Water on the outside and inside of the surplus ammunition that was in a war conflict area,as you just never know what may come with it!
Recycle or burn all old contaminated paper,wood.
I wonder what type of powder is loaded in those 8mm Mauser rounds? Cordite?
The US Military's durable gasket sealed ammunition cans seem to be the best to store ammunition in for long-term storage.
If you are that cautious and worried perhaps just stick to brand new shiny ammo.
هذا الرصاص قتل من الأبرياء الكثير 😭
As far as I can tell the ones in this crate have not harmed anyone.
Bummer
Yes it is. Proof that buying a "sealed case" of ammo is not a sure thing of good condition.
mummi ammo
Not quite as well preserved as a mummy, but perhaps as dusty.
Oy vey.
Yeah kind of a bummer it looks so poor. Hopefully it shoots better than it looks.
198 grain full metal jacket, lead core boat tail bullet propelled with ball powder, noncorrosive primers.
You are correct about the powder and primer, the bullet is indeed lead core but weighs 178 grains and is a FMJ with flat base.
I recently opened a box of packet of 1950 Canadian manufactured .303 British that looked much better than this, though some of them did see some corrosion.
At any rate, cool video.
Was the 303 loaded with cordite or with regular powder? (edit: I found the video you did on that 303 ammo, so question answered)
Can they be re-elaborated?
Sorry but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "re-elaborated". If you mean rebuilt than I think they can be, if it is needed. Perhaps a good cleaning may be all that is required. If test firing proves successful and they are safe and mostly reliable that would be the way to go. If the primers end up being suspect (duds or hangfires) they can be pulled down to have the primers replaced with fresh ones as they take standard large rifle primers.
Shoot it it’s fine Do I have the same ammo everyone would bang 200 rounds
Most of it should be fine but some has enough corrosion on it that it should be pulled apart to salvage the powder and bullets.
The lettering is almost all Hebrew; I speak the language a bit myself. Here's the bullet's headstamp marks:
55
מ.י.ת
XI
[Magen David stamp]
Hope this is helpful, cool video!
It is helpful, thank you.