The Qur’ān and the Bible in Light of Historical Critical Studies -
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In this exciting episode of the Real Talk Podcast we dive into captivating discussions with Prof. Bart D. Ehrman and Dr. Javad T. Hashmi. They provide a sneak peek into their forthcoming course on the Bible and the Qur'an, where they'll explore and compare their historical problems.
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dang you two got ehrman and hashmi on here?!? this channel is blowing up!!!
Amazing course and amazing how your channel has grown.
Wow! Sheikh Bert Erman and Ustadh Jawad. That’s a huge flex, bro!
Joined the course
Man Terron I can't tell you how interesting this stuff is!
What a team you pulled together there.
I think being honest and open helps us humans really connect.
Perhaps God is watching us get it together he or she is out there.
Ehrman moving from one podcast hosted by a British woman with enormous glasses to ANOTHER podcast hosted by a British woman with enormous glasses! The man simply will not change!
Thinking aloud, I think there's a challenge involved for Javad with this course. He's going to be presenting the Quran and Islamic history to an audience that's (I assume) primarily composed of the usual Ehrman-crowd. That is to say; western, Religious History-interested, non-muslims. People without a background in the Islamic cultural milieu.
I've meet plenty of Westerners who say they're interested in studying Quranic/Islamic history but give up because, well, it's essentially so "alien" to them. So unfamiliar and perplexing. There's a big cultural barrier to overcome. Even stuff like the Quran's genre of Divine Speech is a major conceptual hurdle. I'm thinking about people who spout classics like: "I read the two first chapter and then gave up" or "Wait, ibn isn't his middle name?" or "What is a Tafsir and can you eat it?"
So it'll be interesting from a pedagogical perspective how he'll balance this boat. But I'm sure they're will also be people from the Academic Quran Reddit community asking him about obscure theories that Nöldeke once scribbled on a napkin in 1900-century Bavaria.
i for one think their glasses are appropriately sized
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Thank you for setting this up!
Thank you!
Interesting, investigating truth
you guys are great. really liked this one
Awesome talk! Great guests!
Yes that was great. Thanks 😊
I would like to see Dr. Hashimi answer two simple questions. 1) Does he think that the Quran is a revelation from a god, or a text made up by Muhammad? 2) Is this the view of the majority of critical Quranic scholars? The answer to that would be very useful for Muslims to hear.
I forget on 1 point. But he already said that he think "Qur'an is like bible" which is text inspiring by God, which he also said belong to many muslim philosopher.
So its "kinda Mutazili" position on Qur'an. And he doesn't state about majority academia, but i assumse is not they interest to said anything about that- just study the text
The Quran is not interacting creatively with hypothetical biblical texts. Rather the Quran is theologically translating syriac biblical and apokhrypha texts so that arab tribes that have converted to Christianity can have a book of liturgy in their own language to be read aloud during church service.
The title ”the Quest for the historical Muhammad” is not a scientific title. Rather there are two quests that historians should engage in:
1) the Quest for the historical Muhammad
2) the Quest for the historical prophet.
Critical Quranic studies are done mainly by Western scholars today (or Muslims who live in the West). It's very difficult for academics in Islamic countries to do them because the "standard narrative" is so strong that it cannot be questioned. Dr. Yasir Qadhi, a Yale-educated Muslim scholar explains this when he says that Western scholars have studied all the Islamic sources, realize the problems and they pursue the research to its natural conclusion but Muslim scholars in Islamic countries, when they hit a "problem", see it as a red line which they do not cross (and often say "Allah knows best"!). This is not being intellectually honest, but they cannot be or they will lose their teaching jobs or worse. Many ears ago there was an incident with an Egyptian prof who put doubt on the students' minds by questioning "facts" that the students "believed", and he was thrown out of a window...
I teach One Humanitarian Truth Under God, and I'm a prophet of God's New World's Testament that teaches 1 true belief about God and Jesus. Though Jews, Christians and Muslims argue, they are actually arguing over wrong man made beliefs. God's word is a progression because man messes up God's teachings with wrong and divisive interpretations and doctrines. So in reality just like the Gospel no"s" that Jesus taught, which is simply worshipping God through sinless Humanitarian behavior, God sent Gabriel to recite the Quran through Mohammed largely because of the fighting over if Jesus God or not. Muslims have largely misinterpreted Surah 4:157-159 because Gabriel described it from a spirit world perspective not a physical world perspective so Jesus actually didn't die because none of actually die, only our physical bodies die, so we just seem to die Matthew 10:28 because remember the true teachings of God is about holy behavior first. Different divisive man made interpretations and doctrines cause confusion and destroy holy behavior when people fight over different man made interpretations.
As a muslim, i love you comment❤
@TOMOR450 thank you. The problem with many people is they hold onto their beliefs emotionally and not with reason. God ideally would never pit Judaism, Christianity and Islam against each other because that would mean he wanted religious people to do sin and evil against each other. So it's more man's wrong interpretations, doctrines and sinful ways that causes these divisions.
@@aluminatechurch you are a good person. God bless you
@TOMOR450 I can see you're someone more open minded than most.
@@aluminatechurch Thank you!
no where in the quran there is anything even remotely related to the claim that israelits took over egypt after pharao died in the sea ... I dont know where this guy got this (and article in a magazine i guess) .. this is truly hilarious when you remember that it comes from someone who pretends being able to "train" people on understanding quran ... LoooooooL
I think you reveal your non-seriousness when you fail to even engage the academic article that I referenced, which is written by Nicolai Sinai, a towering figure in the field and an Oxford professor of Quranic Studies. Accept the argument or reject it but take it with some seriousness. No amount of “lols” you add to your comment will replace actual argumentation and engagement with critical scholarship.