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Should you update your GPU drivers?
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- In this final episode on my GPU Drivers series, I wanted to test how much a GPU is effected by old drivers vs new... so, did it matter?
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Agree that dry paste/dust would have an effect, but I’d argue that most people who are experiencing a slowdown of performance over time would be due to bloatware/background processes on their PC. I know so many people who have systems that haven’t been formatted in years, and would have so much crap running in the background… maybe a video on how to clean up an old windows install could be the culmination of this series?
that would be great!
a guide on how to detect lots of unneeded files could really help a lot of people!
Easy. I like using CTT's WinUtil for both MicroWin (can make a custom debloated windows iso) and its other features (downloading apps, windows optimizations, etc). For deleting unnecessary files I use revouninstaller (as both an app unistaller and junk file cleaner). It does a good job.
Sometimes the slowdown is just because the hardware isn't capable enough. Not even bloatware anymore. It's like the apps on the phone. Over the period of some years, Instagram went from being 400mb to 1gb or more, making your phone feel "slow" and "small" in regards to storage or RAM amount.
I have an RX580. Used to have a 1366x768 monitor for more than a decade. It ran fine. But when it broke and had to buy this one (1080p) the struggle was real. Even if I clean it up and re-paste it it's still the same.
I'm still trying to figure out which is the right "in tier" replacement for this card. I've been thinking about a 6600 non XT or something along those lines depending on price. But you clearly see the GPU struggle. My CPU is a 2600 so also very old and not high end, but for my usage and if I could get a better cooler for it for some OC it'll be fine.
@@LautaroQ2812
I went from RX470 to RX6600 about a year ago. It's a decent GPU for 1080p. IIRC, it's only run on 8x PCIe lanes. So, there are some performance lost on PCIe gen3.
there's an idea, control panel, uninstall a program and go through the list and start taking names down.
> old GPU
> 3070
Is my 1050Ti a fossil then?
It seems so, I have a 1060 with a ivy bridge cpu and it's really showing its age.
I want to build another pc but I'll have to spend almost 2 grand to make a another pc that'll last another 10 years.😭
not just old... 'very very very old' ... as he kept saying.. lol .. all the way in the Paleozoic era of 2021
Yes. You're talking something released in 2016 - 8 years ago. You think phones, from around that time, will hold up much to today's standard?
My daughter is still rocking the 1050ti, i did however upgrade her platform to 8th Gen i5 from a 2nd Gen i5. It blasts through Roblox, Minecraft, and some sort of "Toon World" game she plays. Even better with the platform upgrade.
Yes, it absolutely is.
Hey Jay! I just wanted to say that I appreciate these videos about saving money with PC parts. Driver updates, re-pasting GPUs, real world ram speed tests, all things with the intention of how to get the best out of our stuff without forking out cash if we don't need to. Would be interested to see more videos like this! I was wondering how much would replacing stock case fans with Noctua/BeQuiet fans effect temps/performance per dollar.
It probably won't make a huge difference, but there are older drivers available for the 3070 for Windows 10. Version 465.89 from March 30, 2021 is the oldest still available for download. I'm assuming this is because Windows 11 officially released almost a year after the 3070, in October 2021.
Yep, and even that version was released four months after the RTX 3070... 457.09 was the 3070 launch driver and these are still available on the Nvidia website, although you have to specifically search for it through a google search.
Then he'd have to re-run all the tests on the Windows 10 machine. While the drivers will probably work on Windows 11, you can't be sure if any difference is due to changes internal to Windows.
March to October is not a year. March 2021 to March 2022 is a year. That is 5 months apart difference for an "almost". So it's not "almost a year" either.
I know this is completely irrelevant, just irked me haha.
Golden rule.. only update every 2-3 years or when some game or software doesnt launch, other than that, dont waste a second on it
Jay is a Windows fanboi 🤢
Are you planning to do the same for AMD card users??
Next week... Maybe?
All 200 of you?
@@blueline308you bought an RTX badge when there were no games supporting RTX. noone is listening to you bro
@@blueline308Found the clueless nvidia shill
I'd imagine, AMD drivers have a bit of history of aging like fine wine. Intel is definitely the biggest culprit nowadays, but they haven't had years in driver development.
If I still had any older hardware I think that would be more useful to test this theory instead of just 1 generation back. I'd be curious to see if the results with something older like a 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti were any different.
Yes, the results are always similar. ALWAYS. Just update to the latest driver, unless the very latest driver has a bug that is causing an issue, then revert 1 or 2 drivers. Never ever use 1, 2, or 3-year-old drivers, there are 0 benefits and just increased security risk threats.
@@HeadphoneHangover Thanks - kind of missed the point however. The objective here was to show with evidence that newer drivers as a rule don't reduce performance on older graphics cards. "Trust me, bro" isn't evidence and per my original post I would personally have liked to have seen this evidence from a graphics card more than only 1 generation old as stated. Let's get a 1080 Ti and compare it's launch driver performance with the latest available driver in games that it could generally run well - this provides a much longer time window than a 3000-series card, and thus in theory could 'show' a forced-obsolescence example if there were one likely more than with a much newer card.
@@HeadphoneHangoverfalse
There is proof, old drivers caused decrease a lot of FPS in cards like 750 ti@@HeadphoneHangover
I have a 1080ti and USUALLY keep its driver up to date. Sometimes Ill revert a few months back if Fortnite isnt liking it. AGREED. I was expecting an older series card here than what was used...
I always wait a week or two before going to the latest nVidia drivers. Sometimes the latest releases have some undesirable effects so I just read user feedback before installation.
Problem with user feedback on Nvidia drivers is every new update has people complaining about issues especially on Nvidia forums.
@@ghostdragon2593Some of it is usually down to people not uninstalling older drivers before installing new drivers / updates.
@@earthtaurus5515I usually never uninstall previous drivers before installing new ones and never ran into an issue so far. And I've been doing so for years and years. I think it all comes down to the general outer and inner maintenance of your system like keeping it tidy and clean (both the hardware and the Windows installation) 😊
And driver related issues could be individual or certain users for whatever reasons, As we know nothing is based in the PC world. If it's a widespread issue and 100% the driver no matter machine, Then that's when you take notice. Otherwise, Just update.. If you do get problem then go back. I think in the last 5 years of Nvidia driver updates I've had 2 or 3 major bugs that needed to be sorted in a new driver, Other than that every update on my systems have worked as should. I read many complaints about certain drivers, Even in certain games that I play, But that never happened for me.
"No product is designed to last forever" isn't a valid argument for planned obsolescence. It's when products are intentionally designed to last only a short period of time or caused to reach end of life prematurely.
No, some bugs or issues with a software update is not planned obsolescence. If said update bricks your device or causes it to irreparably function worse and the company doesn't admit wrongdoing or do anything to fix their "mistake" THEN yes, it is.
It is also pretty telling that old things were 100% built differently and built to last much longer than they are now. New printers go kaput in a couple years while some old printers in offices and whatnot are STILL going with the only maintenance required being a bit of a kick if it starts complaining a bit.
Congrats on 4 million subscribers!
i have severe OCD and i can't help myself but install the "new stuff" to "keep my PC updated" i haven't ever noticed any performance loss
I'm usually just too lazy to go through the update process if I don't have to and don't wanna spend the time to do so. Plus, the times I DO update always seem to have some sort of a problem which just results in me trying to figure out how to solve it, not finding anything, spending what feels like 7 hours being angry and frustrated and resorting to begrudgingly ignoring it or something.
Just bad luck. Or punishment for not updating to every new thing lol
Already have the new NVIDIA Beta App 🤣
I'm always checking for updates for windows, MS Store, Steam, Google Play, GPU/CPU/MOBO drivers, etc. ofc sometimes I get broken updates and gotta revert back but it keeps my mind at ease being up to date lmao.
Is that what OCD is?
I have the same habit as you + can't stand anything on the desktop or when my monitors aren't aligned.
But I always thought OCD is like when you aren't satisfied your hands are clean enough
@user-op8fg3ny3j It's much more insidious than that, it's what you mentioned and for example you lock up your house and car for the evening but keep going back to check ever single lock, unlock them and relock them several times over the next few hours...
I used to do dumb crap like that but thankfully no longer, used to drive me crazy.
@@user-op8fg3ny3jocd is an actual anxiety disorder. I went to therapy for it and still struggle with it. So OP is probably using the term in a quirky way, unless he actually feels anxious and it consumes him. It can be about hygiene related things, but also where you constantly keep checking on things, or you have intrusive thoughts, worried that you might harm someone. It varies per person.
The only time I ever downloaded any "bad" drivers was shortly after DOOM Eternal came out. NVIDIA put out an update that did something very bad to Eternal and I had to roll it back. Other than that, I stay updated with zero problems.
I had something similar with Batman Arkham Knight where a driver update was messing up the graphics (this was years after the game's release too) so I had to downgrade. I remember sending a bug report or something and Nvidia thankfully did fix the issue a few updates later.
@@Knightmare-vc8qg Lol Was about to post on the exact same issue, and checked other comments first! Had been avoiding gpu driver update because of Arkham Knight becoming unplayable after updating, had to roll it back. Nice to know it's been fixed, might reconsider about the whole update thing.
For Intel Arc you definitely should
I've never felt like they slow them down on purpose. Thanks for helping to prove it.
Well Apple does or did, which is why people believe it is more common that it is.
@@BouncingZeus they did still. They were doing it in the background without telling anyone until one day they slipped up and admitted to it. It had been a rumor for a long time before that. There was zero documentation on it anywhere. But now you have the options to toggle it off. After they received a lot of backlash and a few class action lawsuit.
If I remember correctly, the issue was not that they were slowing it down. I think it's that Nvidia isn't optimizing the older cards(actually the 10 series, like 1080 and 1080ti) to new titles. I for got where, but I believe that there were reviews that compared a 1080, 1080ti and 2060 and 2060s cards. So hardware spec wise, with raw power 1080/ti should win. what they found was that 1080/ti was still winning on older games, but in new titles, even on games that does not use rtx features, it would still lose vs 2060/s cards.
I dont know if it is on purpose, but just updated the driver prior to Jay releasing the other video. And I was actually wondering why i went from 82'ish to 74ish fps in red dead 2.
I will now change back to an older driver to see if it will go back to the higher performance. Maybe it is a bug only affecting some gfx. Mine is a rtx4060 Laptop
@@howneatisthatThat's alot of bull and you know it. With every update Software should be more optimised not less and Iphone's are a massive money maker for Apple. So of course they want people to upgrade and not use the same iphone for longer. Apple wants people to be upgrading every year as after all it's all about the money.
One of my friends has a 1650 (iirc), and when he played elden ring he had a lot of lighting glitches around water, causing him to dub one cave "the rave cave"
We realized he was still using the stock driver, so installing GeForce experience (and the latest driver) fixed it and boosted his 1% by a decent amount.
YES, UPDATING YOUR DRIVERS ARE IMPORTANT, but you can likely live without updating for a month or two!
i just dont update my drivers until i experienced weird things
Not really that important in some cases. You can live without updating for a year easily. If you have 5 year old card, you are likely not getting anything out of the new driver anyway.
A 3 year old is not nearly old enough to drive, and that's a fact.
this is the VIdeo I have been wanting for so long, see benchmarks of a GPU over its lifetime.
I remember some months ago there was an Nvidia driver boosting Vulkan performance by almost 10%. 5-7 on average and that was the difference between unstable and locked FPS on an emulator I was running. Update your drivers bois, it help more than just the recent titles.
Or might break stuff. Update, but make sure to keep a copy of the previous driver in case things break (just "recently" I had an experience like that with Cyberpunk2077).
@@Cinkodacs Cyberpunk2077 is the worst written game with the shittiest optimization released by a AAA title since pokemon.
@@TurboLoveTrain nope, there are many poor optimization AAA game recently year, and yes cyberpunk is not the best but definitely belongs to the ''okay' category
@@kampa373 I'm talking about code optimization. It was one of (if not the) most expensive games to bring to market--its the cybertruck of the gaming industry: All hype and shiny but it dogshit for actual truck tasks.
So no, it's only "okay" for people that have no clue what "good" actually looks like.
The previous 2 driver updates screwed my 3080 over for months, but the newest driver finally solved the stuttering and lag issues I was having in all games. I thought I was done for but now we’re back 😅
It is always a good idea to somewhat regularly stay up to date, they also add in security patches as GPU drivers are vulnerable as well.
The 0.1% and 1% low frame rate numbers, if they were logged and then included in the graphs, for all of the game benchmarks, could have shown substantial improvements in some games.
And very much could've been the noticeable changes.
I think replacing thermal paste every couple of years on both cpu and gpu is a must to keep temps as low as possible which will reduce thermal throttling and increase performance.
I relized yesterday that I was using drivers from 2020. Safe to say I was missing out on some new hardware accelerated functions.
I just repasted my gpu and seen a huge improvement, the hot spot was down 30 c and the gpu was no longer throttling. The paste from factory looked exactly like in the video with only about half covering the die.
It would be interesting to compare the Intel Arc launch driver against the final pre-Battlemage driver, when it comes out. Jut to see how far Intel has come.
Given how much space drivers take up and how buggy GeForce Experience is in installing new drivers, I've literally been thinking about this topic for weeks! Thanks, Jay!
Highly recommend waiting a week or so on nvidia drivers unless you read the driver notes and it fixes something you need. Too many times I updated immediately and then had to safe boot to revert to old drivers due to no display. Mayne because I'm overclocked, YMMV
Due to this, I learned NOT to update anything unless it's absolutely required to get something new working properly. I never updated drivers on a 13 year old system and even newer apps and games ran fine, even with those 13-year old drivers. Even my Win7 didn't get any update in those 13 years until recently when I was forced by Steam and Satisfactory to update to Win10.
Just for Funsies, I would love to see this same test done with AMD drivers. I often see people say that AMD drivers are bad and rarely improve. Regardless, thanks for doing videos like this, I find this stuff fascinating.
That's because 1)Trolls and 2)People don't remove older drivers using DDU in safemode for example before installing new drivers / updates. Also some games do need driver specific updates due to poor optimisation and poor coding. For example Hell Divers 2, the game would cause crashes due to it not handling certain calls correctly causing driver timeouts. After a Game specific driver update, no more crashes.
"I often see people say that AMD drivers are bad and rarely improve."
I have only seen that often the AMD drivers take a long time to mature with new products, but that was several generations back were this was a real problem.
The only individuals I've seen say such illogical things are fanboys that would rather pledge allegiance to a single megacorporation than look for whatever the relative best deal is at the time.
I even had the thermal paste thing happen to a pretty modern card. Bought a 3070 used and it ran terribly hot. Changed the thermal paste and now it runs pretty cool with fairly low fan speeds. That probably was a 15°C or so difference - with a card that only even launched 4 years ago.
Same thing when I bought a 980Ti two years prior. The thermal paste actually looked really good when I removed the cooler so I feared that the seller already changed it and there's no improvements to be gained - but I changed it anyways and dropped an impressive 8°C.
And I didn't use fancy thermal paste - just a standard tube of cheap Arctic MX-2 that I bought 2019 before the 3070 even launched xD
I have 3070 laptop and did a few tests with drivers and it rly did get around 4-6 more fps in some cases. I think the last one was Alan Wake 2
Was an AMD driver a few months ago that caused a bit of hitching in darktide, fixed it with the next driver release. I always tend to stay one version behind in case of misbehaving. Intel's GPUs are a great example of drivers improving performance over time.
I do the same with Nvidia drivers and Window updates. First search online for reviews from early adapters. I download it when I don't read any issues or skip and wait for the next version to fix the bug.
For Atoma!
Jay: no product is designed to last forever
Rosewill Thor V2 case: am I a joke to you!?!
do other cases disappear in a cloud of rust?
Every morning I have a routine which is I check for any Windows updates and graphic card updates and I always do them. Never had a problem that was big enough to be a concern or was not got fixed with in a few days, but nothing that stopped me from playing or using my machine. I will say however I am not part of the windows beta program. But I always do the Nvidia updates as well.
There is exactly one time drivers mattered for me. Without updated drivers Armored Core 6 had some absurd menu bug where the menu just cycled constantly at rapid speed. As soon as I updated drivers it went away.
I then built a new computer and forgot to update my drivers, and had it happen again. After updating, the problem went away.
Just upgraded to the nVidia App. Looking good so far !
same i like not having to log in!
Thank you for Beta testing...so the rest of us may be stress free :''-)
"Looking good" - but not the stats overlay, it's even more crap now.
Second time they're ruining it more and more (first time was font change and losing detection in many windowed games).
somewhat worse then control panel removed it bloated homescreen lack of game settings came with telemetry activated so spyware it is also one of the worst Danish translations i have ever seen and i could not find a setting to switch language it looks like a machine read a dictionary wrote it but has no idea what sentence and word composition means
Dude, the melting JTC logo is probably the dopest version you've made. You should use it more, i friggin' love it!!
Thanks for the video. It would be interesting to have the 1% or .1% shown too. My guess is that there you may see some tangible improvements, given how those will cause a stutter-like feeling when the frame rate goes down temporarily.
by not providing those numbers its just a pointless freaking video.
@@Killswitch1411 I don't think it's a pointless video. But I would like to know these details. That's why I suggested it as an idea for the next time such a topic comes up.
I want to live in a world where a 3070 is the oldest GPU in your fleet still in common use. Our media center just got 'upgraded' to a 1070TI when my workstation retired it, and there's still a 970 still kicking around the house somewhere.
Appreciate the extra work on this Jay!
I do update the driver for my GTX1070 Strix every 2 or 3 releases. On a card that old I doubt it really matters, more or less proven by the performance that has been the same for the past years. The only reason I keep updating is that sometimes drivers come with new features that even my old card can use and I assume every update also comes with security patches and that's never a bad thing to keep up to date I guess
I'd really love to see this done with AMD cards.
If your gonna buy those 90 degree cables, your DEFINITELY gonna want to read the warrant policy lol. Surprised Jay is doing an ad for them.
I would like to see one based on Driver updates VS overclocking with GPU tweak. I have the RTX 3060 Dual OC edition and I downloaded GPU tweak but I have no idea how to use it correctly.
I don't have a driver license :(
Lolz.. good one
Are you planning a video on Nvidia's new beta app that replaces their control panel and experience app?
Maybe including some tutorials for effective use?
I installed it to play with it ... and its so far pretty impressive.
Thanks for this. The only thing about planned absolesence is in my eyes is the hardware and not software. But that's besides the point of this vid. Good that you pointed it out.
Whenever a new games doesn't perform well the first thing I do is check if there's a new driver. I did this up until just earlier this year with my 980ti. Worked every time, not even kidding. Plan to do the same with the 1090ti I have in the new system. Any big game that's had issues on my system instantly runs better with an update :)
The biggest thing I noticed when updating from a release driver to a recent one is less hitching or that frame rate drop when moving from a small room to a big open area not so noticeable with the video cards now but back in the days with crossfire and sli you could see the difference with the newer driver more so with even number of cards like 2 and 4 but running 1 or 3 cards that low dip was less more so with 3 cards. But for me nowadays I do updates when they come out if the game running fine and I am happy I just do the update after my gaming session
I was pretty sure that my 970 was already useless when trying to run farcry 5. Updated the driver just in case and the game ran fine. The game was tedious though..
Ayy I also played far cry 5 with a 970. Was a bit wonky but playable with the right settings, even in 1440p
Just upgraded from a 980ti to 4080. 40-70 frames is not okay.
Not playing farcry but ya.
@@Nobody-vr5nl? Explain what you really mean your thoughts did not come through here....
@@3Faidonas3 It was fine. Went from 20ish frames to something more reasonable with the new driver.
It would be interesting to see what the 7700XTX was like on the older drivers to ones now. I bet they have an even bigger improvement.
7000 series saw huge driver level improvements, especially in RT
Probably you mention it (I have less retention than a Gen-Z), but compatibility issues! More than once I had to update the driver to be able to play the game.
I think ReBAR was added in a later driver which would improve performance in some games
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Important to note that, for gaming older titles at least, it can really depend. I had to use a driver from 10+ years ago to get AC Black Flag to run, it just wouldn't start with newer drivers. Very awkward.
01:40 This even applys to Linux but is mostly way longer than windows. And you could propely extend the support yourself.
Also, in some cases, like Battlefield 3 where every game update required new drivers, it sometimes could be worked around by renaming nvapi64.dll in the system32 folder so the game is unable to detect the driver version and launch anyway.
But in other cases not renaming it back to it's original name will cause trouble with games like GTA V. 🙂
For someone who used to work in a computer shop, apart from the performance of hardware, drivers were the most important thing. You can make the best device, if the driver is flakey, a pain, causing you to run around to get the best working version etc, it's still crap. It would not be hard for hardware manufacturers to keep older driver versions on their servers. They don't take much room, and if someone wants a particular version why not ? And it's not so much about performance really, it's more about if the manufacturer gives you what you want. What I would like : 1) Just a driver without anything else 2) driver with some application that lets you change options 3) no having to sign up or such 4) no advertising for some game or other feature I don't care about 5) THIS ONE : IF YOU UNINSTALL A DRIVER IT UNINSTALLS EVERYTHING AND PUTS YOUR PC IN THE STATE IT WAS BEFORE INSTALLING THE DRIVER. This has been particularly an issue if you install a video card from another manufacturer's chipset and you have to install their drivers. UGH. Is it that hard to track which changes you made and undo them ???
My insignificant 2 cents lmao I don't think people forget I think they are afraid, something is gonna break, after the hard work they put into personalizing their performance. Restore points are the bees knees. Thanks for the vids! I appreciate the way you present information.
Really glad you brought the hardware age into this discussion, I was actually writing a post about that being part of the problem while listening to you and had to delete it... This is probably something that most people don't think about. That and if you are going to complain that the problem is a driver (or some other change) if you didn't test immediately before and after the change and under the same conditions for both tests.
I would be interested in seeing an old cpu or like entry level cpu (intel XX 600K) when the card launch with original drivers and latest drivers. My guess is all of this is that newer drivers have a bigger impact on cpus than older driver. For example they could have optimized for AVX512 but your entry level doesn't have it. (just a for instance thing)
what was the "driving facter" for this video? lol
If you forget to install your RAM drivers, the LEDs on your RAM modules don't stop flashing when you put your computer into sleep mode.
Wonder how much the improvement would be with Intel cards. Seems like a lot of reviews have mentioned how the driver updates for Intel GPUs have made big changes
You don't really need to plan obsolescence for a product that will by its nature become obsolete. electronics and technology in general is something that is constantly improving which makes the older devices irrelevant without the need for intervention. Planned obsolescence is still there but not in high end products its more like the budget tvs that break as soon as the 1 yr warranty expires or cheap mice/keyboards. Maybe in some of the lesser known manufactures for graphics cards but when the chips and drivers all come from one of 3 companies who get paid plenty for producing the chips everyone needs in the cards the things that would seem more like planned obsolescence would be poorly made boards maybe cheap caps or VRMs premature failure not underperformance.
Could do a video on thermal paste how long to change and what happens when you leave it for a amount of time
For me on a laptop I find that I have to use 529, after that driver they removed power control through NVIDIA-SMI, so when selecting a fan profile for the laptop where the fans actually run it drops the TDP on the GPU down to 115w vs 145. With the 529 driver I can just run a script at startup to put it back to 145w. So yeah there can be some things NVIDIA puts in their new drivers that does hinder performance. Maybe not on desktop but on laptops it does seem that way.
Gta 5 stopped kept crashing when I would attempt to get online. Updated my drivers on my gpu and gta started working correctly
I stuck to an old driver because the newer one used to make Firefox crash sometimes on my 1050 if using hardware acceleration
Barring a failure I usually wait 7-10 days to update drivers just to give some shake out of bugs.
The driver slowdowns I've seen are more for retro cards in the GeForce 3, 4, and FX series as covered by PhilsComputerLab. Not sure about the cards in between then and now though lol
The new AMD drivers are not completing stress tests for my taichi 7900xtx. It always says "finishing up" but never finishes. Also it does not keep my tuning setup all the time sometimes it crashes windows too
You still should update, there is a massive amount of security holes in drivers and you are one sandbox escape away from getting owned by a rougue site. Fortunately MS is blacklisting known exploitable drivers and forcing updates to keep things sane.
I think that an RTX 30 series card is still pretty new.
People tend to think that nVidia is boycotting old series cards through drivers (like the GTX 10 series for example).
If you are a regular man using your laptop only for browsing or watching videos/movies, you dont have to update anything if everything is working fine. My dad's laptop from 2015 has been completely issue free since we bought it.. while on my gaming computer worth $1400 im always wondering if its drivers causing me issues in games or if its the game itself!
I am a lot older than Jay and I realize his target audience is younger than he is and I agree that the best performance is by re-applying paste to you GPU and CPU, but in my experience this only applies to new titles and for about 3 updates, after that I find I get more lag and lower performance when playing older titles after 3 to 5 driver updates. I have actually started not updating drivers on my older PC that I play older tittles on and only play the newest titles on my newer PC's with newer drivers. My rule is anything older than 3 years old that hasn't had updates I keep on my older PC and I do not update the drivers.
I only update if I need to. If things aren't broken, I don't fix them. If a new game comes out and actually has issues, then I'll consider updating.
Could you do that with GTX 750 Ti? Since it is the lowest end card that still supported on the latest driver? Also include productivity benchmark. Thank you.
I always download every single new GPU driver when it is released, honestly, i never had any problems.
I would think security would be another reason to update.
Im waiting for the water box video !!!! I want to either buy singularity water box or the mo-ra3pro. Would be nice to see a comparison on cpu temp, water temps, and how long it takes for water to be at steady state. 🤔
I did some thinking on the original subject from your previous video. I bet they had the GPU overclocked with at least power/temp sliders on the first video, then ran the same test after install (which can resets those sliders).
This is my experience personally, and I by no means imply this happens for everybody. But, for me, updating my graphics drivers always caused more problems than it would solve. I would always remain on the same version that worked until something broke or became unstable, and then I update. I developed this methodology because I would update more regularly in the past, and it would only break my games, break shadowplay functionality, and other odd quirks. I've always been in the boat of, if it works, leave it alone. But if it's broken, I know the first fix to hook up.
Since you brought up DDU, can you make a video showing the process of using DDU and talk about what circumstances a user would want to do so, cheers!
NVIDIA doesn’t need to slow old GPUs down. They know that people will buy the newer one anyway.
And one driver is for a lot of cards so slowing down a driver would slow every single gpu equally. So therefore Nvidia wants to improve every new driver that comes out to make their newest GPUs faster to be better than the competitors like AMD. The sight effect is that older GPUs also see this performance gain.
To be fair, Nvidia drivers are usually pretty solid and updates don't always give an increase to performance. DLSS 3.5 for all RTX cards was a suprise and greatly appreciated that added some features for older RTX cards. Its still good that nvidia is goving support for cards from 6 years ago.
After 27 years in IT, I get so tired of hearing about how companies are purposely slowing the hardware to sell new hardware. As Jay just showed, at least with an RTX 3070, that's not the case. What Jay missed though is, Windows updates, age of the OS being installed and used, the game updates, as well as the other hardware being just as old as the GPU.
Jay tested with the same Windows version, install age, and more than likely limited third party software installed. While yes, his tests show an improvement in the drivers, I've seen wiping out the OS and starting fresh with all drivers updated create a performance improvement as well.
Basically, to those that think a company, excluding Apple, intentionally is slowing performance in hopes of more sales, think about how old your hardware is, how dirty it is (like Jay brought up), how much crap you've installed, uninstalled, updated, the last time you've cleaned out cache and temp files, all of that and more that slows a system down. A real test would be for you to get a new SSD, load Windows from scratch, load just the drivers and the game you think is under performing, and test it out on a relatively clean system. Bet you will see a performance increase. And no, I'm not directing this towards Jay. Just in case it's not clear for those in the back.
There's more to it than just drivers. Always has been.
Last year I had to put win7 on an older phenom ii system and it kept failing to see the gpu (1060) after installing the latest drivers. Took me a while to figure out that the latest drivers were not whql. Went one version back and it worked like a charm.
As a professional developer, I can assure that when there new computer language or framework, it works at some speed but performance get better in updates. Just think how much faster browsers are today compared to some IE6. Or how about Java compared what it was at 90s.
Sure, there is also software bloat, increased amount data to get processed, some component is upgraded to something that do more but has a bit more weight and so on. That of course happens too but that is different story.
However, I don't trust Apple at all. Their business model is basicly planned obsolence. They can make excuses while slowing down phones in updates.
nVidia is company I'm not fully trust today as they are getting so greedy. I don't believe that they are slowing down drivers at core, quite opposite. But that GeForce Experience is likely adjust their driver setting for the game (newer tried myself). But there may be some catch that they making configurations based on card like "if your card is xx60, your games are optimized for some lower resolution than xx70 card" or "your card is xx70 card so we optimize it to works best without raytrace".. or similar, that customer has more reason to buy better one. nVidia cards are just weirdly balanced, that there is kind of bottleneck here and there except in xx90 model, usually VRAM.
Manual configuration in driver and game setting should anyway avoid any optimization targets that nVidia is doing. I've always installed my nVidia drivers with custom installation without GeForce Experience, always manually configured game and driver setting and never experienced that driver updates are slowed down anything. Actually I've experienced speedups after updates.
Drivers are very important i have a 7900XT and wow has issues with AMD drivers on Direct 12 causing some kind of vram error.
I think a 10 or 20 series card would have been the better option to use. Show the difference between drivers. Larger range that can be used and would show if plans obsolescence is put into the drivers
The only planned Obsolesces from GPU manufactures is when they drop driver support for a line, at least that's what I think.
Tbf they can only support a discontinued product for so long
@@snowthearcticfox1 yeah I get that, only mean that that is the only Obsolescence that they are doing, think 700 series was the last that Nvidia dropped and they were supported for ages .
@michaelscarport The oldest cards still supported are the Maxwell 1.0 based GTX 745, GTX 750 and GTX 750 Ti. Maxwell 2.0 based GTX 900 series is of course supported too.
Kepler based cards (GTX 600 and most of GTX 700 series) still get security updates but are on older 474.82 drivers
I'd love to see this for Radeon gpus. Everyone talks about the fine wine. Does the fine wine help out on say a 5700 XT in 2024?
My fps dropped a lot on AMD gpu when AC Origins came out, i had to roll back drivers to get better results, there was almost 10 fps difference in the same game on same settings and PC, I had similar issue in RDR2 back when game launched, I tend to not update drivers if games are running well. As they say, if it's not broken, don't fix it
Ok, I know that Jay considers the 3000 series to be old, but I think the vast majority of viewers are saying that Nvidia uses driver updates to cause performance issues in OLDER CARDS. Meaning 3-5 Generations, 3 being the minimum JAY! I have personally had to roll back graphics drivers because the "newer" drivers caused them to either not be stable, or lose fps. But hey thanks for proving nothing, by going back to the ancient 3000 series cards that a lot of people couldn't afford or find.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I've never had an nVidia driver update reduce the performance of my card that I could tell and I was running a 980ti up until about a month ago.
how about min lows o.1% etc no just avg?
Also, make sure you update your OS if things are borked.
There is something with your videos in 4K that i don`t see on other channels - maybe too much compression?
All the kids talking about "old" driver version 4xx.xx from the 3070 cards, and I still have in a folder the 2003 DetonatorFX nVidia driver 45.23 from my GeForce2 GTS2...
I only update gpu drivers when I play a game that is newer then my installed drivers. Or when I have issues. Never had any problems on whatever with this approach.
@JayzTwoCents I doubt you will see this comment but at timestamp 4:50 you have the incorrect driver at the top of your list and yet you called it the most recent driver. 3-D Mark Time Spy Extreme chart. This particular slide needs to be revisited for your data. Love everything you do for the community!
Ya it's just too many trolls thinking companies are out to get them.
yup with their tin foil hats on
Why dont u include 1% lows? Why not go to the 20 series or even 10 series since some of them are well capable of handling 1080p which is still widely used in the world for some reason?