Johann Baptist Cramer - Piano Concerto No.8 in D-minor, Op.70 (1825)

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  • Picture: Thomas Miles Richardson Jr. - Looking up Glen Strae, Loch Awe, Argyleshire 1881
    Johann Baptist Cramer (24 February 1771 -- 16 April 1858) was an English musician of German origin.
    Work: Piano Concerto No.8 in D-minor, Op.70 (1825)
    Mov.I: Moderato assai 00:00
    Mov.II: Larghetto 07:32
    Mov.III: Rondo a L'Espagnola 16:28
    Pianist / Conductor: Howard Shelley
    Orchestra: London Mozart Players
    Concerto No.8 in D-minor, Op. 70, published by the fifty-four-year-old
    Cramer in 1825, but composed perhaps before 1820. The work is replete with bold
    and highly original features that collectively strive to create an entirely new structure.
    The first movement begins with a fairly typical orchestral ritornello, followed by the solo
    exposition. After subsequent statements of the secondary theme within this section, he notates a fermata (bar 199) on the dominant of F major, allowing us to collect our thoughts in anticipation of the exposition's conclusion.
    Cramer delightfully frustrates this expectation, however, when the soloist initiates an abrupt move back to the tonic and prolongs, over pyrotechnical filigree, the dominant of the tonic for almost thirty bars. The movement comes to a halt on the dominant, held by a fermata in bar 231; the Larghetto second movement then follows in D major.
    By using this design, Cramer jettisons almost two-thirds of the traditional content
    of the first movement. He leaves the formal implications of the exposition unrealised,
    projecting them onto subsequent movements.
    Development and resolution thereby become the business of the later movements.
    The Larghetto second movement includes an elaborate, written-out cadenza, highly
    unusual for a concerto middle movement.
    And while the concerto is not thematically cyclical, all or parts of the secondary theme
    of the first movement reappear in different guises throughout the subsequent
    movements, lending an element of organic cohesion to the work as a whole.
    The lengthy Rondo a L'Espagnola finale attempts to resolve the questions introduced
    by the strange thematic disposition of the first two movements. The title probably
    refers to Cramer's pervasive employment of a tambourine-like, quasi-bolero rhythmic
    figure.
    This finale sounds like a sonata-rondo movement of the kind frequently found in
    Mozart's concertos. Because of its thematic borrowings from the first movement, however, Cramer's Rondo has a larger role to play in this concerto, supplying
    the sort of resolution that was omitted from the truncated first movement. Indeed,
    the contrasting middle section and subsequent material of the Rondo could be
    inserted into the short-circuited first movement, and thereby function as a
    much-delayed development and recapitulation of the secondary theme in
    the home key.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 57

  • @joselopes2293
    @joselopes2293 3 роки тому +9

    This concerto begins with a Moderato Assai and interspersed with great musical vivacity with others of great subtlety and romanticism. The second movement is notable for its periods of deep musical feeling to which we cannot remain indifferent. End concert with a vigorous Rondo full of liveliness. All of Cramer’s concerts are true masterpieces that lie between a lighter romanticism and a less formal classical style, it is in this environment that this fantastic and amazing composer places his magnificent and original work that gives us so much pleasure to listen to. His works are of a beauty, graceful elegance that touches us musically in our emotions. The pianist is superb in the sensibility with which he interprets the piece and the cadence he prints. The orchestra and its direction are remarkable and fantastic. Thanks for this magnificent recording.

  • @GeertVercruysse
    @GeertVercruysse 4 роки тому +3

    'These amiable works cry out for the most scintillating pianism. Which is just what they get from Howard Shelley who throws off cascades of octaves and double thirds with glittering panache, and brings real vocal eloquence to the lyrical melodies. ' The Telegraph

  • @gabriellegetting7088
    @gabriellegetting7088 3 роки тому +3

    KuhlauDilfeng2, Thank you for this. My awareness of Johann Baptist Cramer came from my love for Beethoven and his respect for and familiarity with this wonderful composer, pianist, instrument maker, publisher, etc. Today is his birthday. Happy birthday, Mr. Cramer! You were definitely the Art Tatum of the Classicism to Romanticism transitional period!

  • @leestamm3187
    @leestamm3187 2 роки тому +2

    Another well constructed bridge between the classical and romantic eras. Delightful.

  • @pmmdrt
    @pmmdrt 10 років тому +19

    Your knowlegde of unknown composers is unlimited. I enjoy it daily and keep curious about every upload.

    • @raulespejo2587
      @raulespejo2587 7 років тому +3

      Cramer is not really unknown, I would rather say unperformed

    • @h5g43579
      @h5g43579 3 роки тому +1

      I THINK THE SAME, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THESE APPRECIATED WORKS HAVE NOT BEEN SPREAD!

  • @user-jc4kh1ts7k
    @user-jc4kh1ts7k Рік тому

    Дуже ціную можливість прослухати ці давно забуті твори. Але вони уявляють інтерес. Красива музика минулої епохи. Дякую виконавцям! Бажаю, щоб її виконували в концертах!

  • @fredericchopin7538
    @fredericchopin7538 Рік тому +2

    Splendid!

  • @michaelfitzgerald1865
    @michaelfitzgerald1865 9 років тому +23

    Thank you for bringing my attention to quite a few lovely pieces by composers unknown to me. Don't know how you found all these, but I'm very glad you did.

  • @GeertVercruysse
    @GeertVercruysse 4 роки тому +3

    Love the Rondo..so full of joy!

  • @michelealba744
    @michelealba744 Рік тому

    Un grand merci à celle ou celui qui a mis en ligne cette belle oeuvre d'un compositeur hélas peu connu de nos jours !
    Il mérite vraiment d'être redécouvert , même si d'autres l'ont ( sans doute ...?) surpassé .
    Sa composition est très mélodieuse . Un grand bravo aux musiciens de cet orchestre !

  • @Warmsunset26
    @Warmsunset26 5 років тому +2

    Was initially drawn to this via THE PAINTING. LOVE IT.

  • @Ehedquist
    @Ehedquist 7 років тому +6

    Third movement is memorable.

  • @MrGer2295
    @MrGer2295 7 років тому +7

    Beautiful performance ! Thank you so much :)

  • @marcalexandrefontenay9801
    @marcalexandrefontenay9801 3 роки тому +3

    Le concerto no 8 de Cramer quitte progressivement l’emprise de Mozart pour évoluer vers le romantisme. Saisissante et émouvante l’interprétation de Howard Shelley et MLP infatigable explorateur des concerti oubliés !

    • @michelealba744
      @michelealba744 Рік тому

      On ne peut en effet que remercier tous ces musiciens talentueux de nous faire découvrir toutes ces belles oeuvres hélas tombées dans l'oubli ! Ce concerto ne manque vraiment pas de charme !

  • @FuranoMusic
    @FuranoMusic 7 років тому +10

    Cramer was such a fine composer. Even his most technical etudes, say, the “Repetition etude“, are splendidly musical.

  • @MsrAlaindeFerrier
    @MsrAlaindeFerrier 6 років тому +11

    Thank you for uploading this tremendous concerto, I have never heard of the composer I'm almost ashamed to admit. I hear Schumann and Mendelssohn in this work. So delighted to be introduced to someone new to my ears and can honestly say that there isn't a passage in the whole concerto that has either jarred nor irritated me, so it's right up there with my beloved fraternity of masters.

    • @adriatorras8077
      @adriatorras8077 5 років тому +1

      Also Chopin, Kalkbrenner said when listened to Chopin play: "He plays like Cramer with the touch of Field."

  • @juanvelez8564
    @juanvelez8564 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for uploading this and so many other interesting works. I really enjoyed the program notes! I learned a lot! I should say the same thing about a number of the comments, too....

  • @marcalexandrefontenay9801
    @marcalexandrefontenay9801 3 роки тому +2

    Merveilleuse œuvre entre Mozart et Beethoven qui annonce le romantisme magnifiquement restituée par H Shelley et ses MLP .

    • @michelealba744
      @michelealba744 Рік тому

      Shelley, un très grand pianiste ! Et le " London Mozart Players " , un ensemble d'excellents musiciens! Un immense bravo à eux !( pianiste + musiciens )
      Cette formation risque de disparaître, à ma connaissance, en raison d'un manque de moyens financiers !!
      Lamentable, quand on sait qu'on trouve des sommes folles pour payer les joueurs de foot professionnels ou de prétendus " artistes " , qui ne font que " brailler dans un micro , sans le moindre talent " ( sic !) ou " susurrer quelques pauvres notes sur des paroles qui manquent d'inspiration " ( re sic !) .
      Eh oui, tel est le monde actuel ... , à mon humble avis !!
      Ce compositeur n'a vraiment pas mérité de tomber dans l'oubli !!!!!!!

  • @Warmsunset26
    @Warmsunset26 5 років тому +2

    Am amazed at how anyone... can know what piece is what and even by whom. My ear is --> if it sounds good, i listen to it. Thank you. Have just downloaded this iTunes . 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @agamaz5650
    @agamaz5650 4 роки тому +2

    very nice

  • @deliansociety
    @deliansociety 7 років тому +3

    One of the most interesting concertos of the period, with numerous imaginative departures from earlier Viennese Neoclassical models. The orchestral treatment is also more extensive and colorful and balances out nicely with the solo part.

    • @Santosificationable
      @Santosificationable 4 роки тому

      I think it sounds a tad English, too, whatever that might mean.

  • @dariocugia1938
    @dariocugia1938 4 роки тому +4

    Cramer was born only 14 years after Mozart

  • @nastiamation
    @nastiamation 5 років тому +2

    so sweet

  • @_PROCLUS
    @_PROCLUS 7 років тому +6

    Johann Baptist Cramer 1771 - 1858 English pianist and composer of German origin. ... he studied piano under Muzio Clementi ...was particularly appreciated by Beethoven when he visited Vienna, concertized and competed with him. Both were considered the greatest pianists of their time ... WIKI

  • @emma-th6mx
    @emma-th6mx 9 років тому +8

    my great great great great great uncle the cramer family were originated from the mannhein orchestra germany there is also wilhem and francois who were noted musicians and seved at musicians under george the iv and queen victoria

    • @davidcramer4282
      @davidcramer4282 7 років тому +5

      Hi, I'm David Cramer, and JB was my great great great great uncle also! So we are possibly related.

    • @darrylschultz9311
      @darrylschultz9311 5 років тому +2

      @@davidcramer4282 My great great uncle is still living! In fact he's only 1 generation before me-he's my mother's brother and he's only 20 years older than me!(Those 2 "greats" is just coz he's a top bloke!).

    • @adriatorras8077
      @adriatorras8077 5 років тому

      Amazing! You are family of the composer?!?!? Someone plays or compose?

  • @richcramer3750
    @richcramer3750 3 роки тому

    This is lovely to here
    He is my great x6 grandfather

    • @aluisaac
      @aluisaac 3 роки тому

      Oh wow, u must be proud of your incredible dinasty, all true musicians make better the world, and help a lot to make people happy

  • @MsVerlinden
    @MsVerlinden 9 років тому +11

    Concerto pour piano nº 1, op. 10 (1795)
    Concerto pour piano nº 2, op. 16 (1797)
    Concerto pour piano nº 3, op. 26 (1802)
    Concerto pour piano nº 4, op. 38 (1807)
    Concerto pour piano nº 5, op. 48 (1813)
    Concerto pour piano nº 6, op. 51 (1815)
    Concerto pour piano nº 7, op. 56 (1817)
    Concerto pour piano nº 8, op. 70 (1825) voila cse compositions mais on ne trouve que la 2 -5-7-8, pourquoi dites nous ,merci

  • @shin-i-chikozima
    @shin-i-chikozima 2 роки тому

    Incomparably greater

  • @stefanstamenic3640
    @stefanstamenic3640 5 років тому

    @ Brian Knapp
    Tommaso Traetta - Sofonisba (1761.) one of the best operas I've ever been listening to (baroque and classicism and romanticism).
    Ps. there is no Mozart style. It's a style: Stamic, Ditersdorf,, Vanhal, Jozef Hajdn, particularly: Andrea Luchesi Piano Concerto in F major 1771. (Luchesi plus Viotti leads to Beethoven-Cramer - music brothers twins ).
    Amadeus also borrowed from the: Hermann Friedrich Raupach, Johann Gottfried Eckard, Johann Schobert, Leontzi Honauer.

  • @Santosificationable
    @Santosificationable 4 роки тому

    Stern 1st movement. Reminds me a little of Mozart's 20th.

  • @MegaCirse
    @MegaCirse 5 років тому +2

    La musique de ce compositeur sensible et torturé vous permet d'errer dans vos pensées, vos rêves, vos cauchemars et les joies du passé. Vous êtes capable de comprendre le sens de votre vécu et ce que votre avenir peut advenir car lorsque l'avenir est sans espoir, le présent prend une amertume ignoble !

  • @h5g43579
    @h5g43579 3 роки тому

    😃😃😲

  • @brianknapp8645
    @brianknapp8645 10 років тому +10

    After listening to Cramer's piano concertos numbers 2,5,7, and 8,it appears to me that all of them except the 8th are quite Mozartian in style. Number 5 is very enjoyable with its minor key that reminds me of Mozart's minor key concertos. In the 8th concerto Cramer really starts to innovate and go beyond Mozart. As a whole enjoyable concertos but not as thematically gifted as Hummel or Weber at the time.

    • @dieentschlossene4864
      @dieentschlossene4864 7 років тому +1

      I agree, though I'd hesitate to mention one-hit-wonder-Weber in the same sentence as the ingenious JN Hummel!

    • @thecrazycello9124
      @thecrazycello9124 7 років тому +5

      "one-hit-wonder" only due to the weakness of librettos in the non-hits! Some of the finest music ever penned in the Early-Romantic period lies trapped in Euryanthe and Oberon. I would argue that Weber is the first "true" Romantic, in that his music recognises the failure of human intellect to control reality and seeks a withdrawal into imagination and fantasy to create new worlds (in a way, a complete antithesis to the humanist Beethoven) and does so to such an effective degree that the sound-world he creates orchestrally becomes far more influential throughout the 19th Century than the esteemed Hr. Hummel ;)

    • @NisseOhlsen
      @NisseOhlsen 7 років тому +3

      To me, this (No. 8) is very Mozartian indeed. It seems the pianoforte must have made great technical advancements right after Mozarts death, hence the heavier accentuations made possible.
      But in essence, this is accomplished, but non-inspired Mozart-esque music.
      This shows that one can uphold the forms and sounds of Mozart, but without Mozarts ability to penetrate the fabric of the universe, no glimpse of the divine shall appear.

    • @stefanstamenic3640
      @stefanstamenic3640 5 років тому +1

      @ Brian Knapp
      Tommaso Traetta - Sofonisba (1761.) one of the best operas I've ever been listening to (baroque and classicism and romanticism).
      Ps. there is no Mozart style. It's a style: Stamic, Ditersdorf,, Vanhal, Jozef Hajdn, particularly: Andrea Luchesi Piano Concerto in F major 1771. (Luchesi plus Viotti leads to Beethoven-Cramer - music brothers twins ).

    • @moriscengic
      @moriscengic 4 роки тому

      Hummel is boring.. Endless scales. This is much more exciting and diferent

  • @safasaleh3010
    @safasaleh3010 5 років тому +1

    13:05

  • @nadakamel6963
    @nadakamel6963 5 років тому +1

    please i need the sheet .. if u can help me to find it

    • @adriatorras8077
      @adriatorras8077 5 років тому +1

      Nada Kamel Sorry, i don t know! Someone knows? HELP PLEASE!

  • @lodyneervoort
    @lodyneervoort 5 років тому

    👍👍👍👍💋💋💋💋🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @atomicbong7597
    @atomicbong7597 2 роки тому

    This dude weaponized a piano. :)

  • @sandradupre521
    @sandradupre521 7 років тому +4

    "Nor as thematically 'gifted' as Weber..."? That's hilarious, Knapp.