The Miami Heat F#@KED UP!
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Spurs MyNBA Ep.6 - • We're A Playoff Team! ...
Dame is NOT a member of the Miami Heat and Pat Riley surely regrets his stinginess. But how much are the Portland Trail Blazers to blame? #basketball #commentary #nba - Спорт
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In summation: Cronin was looking for any excuse to not send Dame to Miami, and Riley lowballing him was the perfect excuse
It's about time for them to bring in fully healthy back to top 5 in MVP race form Isaiah Thomas
He bouta get revenge on the celtics or smth
Let's gooo😂
Keep them sensu beans on deck so be can ball out 😅
@@kennethxu1789if he was on the heat and by some miracle got playoff minutes he would revert back to 2017 it the second he played the celtics
IT got worse defense then yamcha
The risk of playing hardball in trade negotiations is that it might blow up in your face spectacularly like this
No, the Blazer didn’t actually even try to negotiate with the heat. There is literally an article about it. They refused to even answer phone calls. And wanted Bam or Jimmy
@@kentwanblackstock7879the Heat do this with everyone. completely overvalue the assets they do have and lose out in the end.
@@kentwanblackstock7879Miami’s entire plan hinged on Portland having no other offers to choose from after Dame’s agent spends all summer telling every media outlet that he won’t show up to training camp if he is traded anywhere other than Miami. Turns out other GMs don’t like that kind of approach to business and if they get an even reasonably competitive offer from someone else they will take it. Miami was trying to force Portland to take an offer they didn’t want and it backfired tremendously.
Exactly! I love the outcome. I was so sick of Miami Heat fans running around the internet acting like they would get Dame no matter what.
@@kentwanblackstock7879 If you take articles that are clearly spin by the Miami front office as gospel fact, yeah. It's naive to think front offices don't create spin through Woj and Haynes to not seem like they messed up. Miami screwed up by offering scraps and being arrogant to piss Portland off in the first place, it's not like the Blazers were just mad for no reason. And then Miami didn't push their chips to the table and offer more to get the deal done which let the Bucks come in and say "our team is super old and we dont attract free agents like Miami does so our future picks are worth more than theirs, take our offer". Spiting Miami was just a bonus
Bro! The Blazers just traded Jrue Holiday for Robert Williams, Malcolm Brogdon, AND two more first round picks. Now that Dame package is starting to look AMAZING.
They essentially got Ayton, Williams, Brogdon, Camara, 3 1st round picks (two unprotected), and two pick swaps for Dame and Nurkic.
That’s a pretty freaking wicked package of assets. And they could potentially flip time lord or Brogdon for more assets later on.
I think the Blazers just turned the Dame trade from like a C+ into an A or A+
The trade was already an A, maybe a B,
ngl I think the Heat trade was the A for them. What the Blazers and Bucks ended up with is a D and C+ trade, respectively.
Yeah it’s looking real great gj Cronin
Yea dame and jokic is going to be unstoppable💪🏾
Literally was reading this as he said it 😂
Lmao
Oh shit I just made this comment lol
I like the part where the Heat wanted Dame but messed up so they didn't get him😅
Insert any Fallout game meme : "Everyone liked that" 💀
@@jonathanparker1774”game was rigged from the start”
they done fumbled like 4 players bro. they just don’t get shit done
But why tho
@@zeushameel8918Arrogance and hubris.
Miami Heat really did all that just to not get Dame
They didn't do enough that's the problem they afraid to go all in
@@BigBroKumathey let max Strus and gave Vincent go too lmao
@@BigBroKuma They reday all in lol
9:44, Legit, imagine Dame and Jokic together
😅😅😅
No need to imagine. Murray is just as effective 😅
Not saying Murray is better than Lillard, but he is pretty good and Jokic will be dominant with a lot of star point guards anyway
Max Struss wasn’t coming back regardless. Nothing to do with Dame. Heat didn’t have enough money to even pay him. He got 16m from Cavs. The heat had around 8m to spend. No way the heat could pay him
i think it was like we could have kept one but be in a little trouble money wise after but it was simply not worth it to do as we would overpay big time to keep one of them and it was better for us financially to simply let them go, unfortunately for them we could not do that to Duncan or Kyle as we would have in an instant rather lose them then Max and Gabe
@@weedhigh2564 we would of paid Vincent and been over the the tax. This means No Thomas Bryant or Richardson. Would of been the exact same team from last Year minus Struss. Got better by not signing back either. So I’m fine with it really. Will
Miss Gabe tho
@@kentwanblackstock7879 Thomas Bryant is making vet min, he would have in the team no matter what. If miami wanted to keep the same team they could've easily waived & Stretched Lowry's contract & resigned him for vet min & salary dumbed Duncan Robinson instead of Oladipo & got injured player exception so they could've kept the whole team and added Mid level exception player. Even now Miami team is in not in bad position if the front office make some intelligent moves to get back in championship contention.
Why is Miami so strapped finally ? They should more than enough room to make moves with all those undrafted players
@@MaxPotentialGreatness Jimmy, Bam, Tyler, Lowry, Duncan Robinson contracts. Then u got Caleb at 8-10m I think. Gabe wanted 10m+ got 11m from the Lakers. Struss got 16m. Absolutely not worth that money. Not paying them was the smartest choice. Because you wouldn’t have signed anyone in Free agency if u did pay them.
As a bucks fan,all I can say is, I never underestimate Miami. They always bounce back and are so well coached . I understand fans being upset , but I can tell you . As a bucks fan , it's like that monster movie , where you think you have slayed the monster, and you look up , and there he is . Lol . Miami Heat has given me plenty of sleepless nights on how good they are . Lol
oh let me tell you as soon as i realized miami was the 8th seed last year, and we were gonna have to face them. i knewww it was either going to 7 or we lose (it turned out worst than i thought but goddamn miami is so good😅)
No bro it’s over. They may be well coached but now they’re getting blown out of the water in terms of talent, like what happened when they faced Denver. I mean GIANNIS and Dame? It’s just over
@@slammysammy9555 . I don't believe that . Plus they have all season to make trades and acquire players . And it's a proven fact , that this organization makes chicken salad out of chicken sh**! 😂
zombie heat forever
as i Miami fan i thank you for this and can tell you we feel exactly the same about you (besides the coaching part), we are proud we can compete against a team like yours and we are blessed to be in the right conference (if we forget that Orlando is a part of it). I would hate to have to contend with those scrubs in the west, most of their conference are joke teams, 3 real contenders the rest is subpar POS franchises that dont care about winning as much as they care about other teams losing (case and point, the Dame trade, after PHX got officially involved i was 100% we are not getting Dame and i was already on the fence about Pussland) . I can tell you for certain, the real Heat fans are not that upset right now, we trust our front office and coaches Spo and Pat, they will make the right moves when they present themselves like they always do. I cannot wait for the Heat to face the Bucks and Celtics again, its gonna be awesome!
I’m tired of people acting like a Herro centered package for a team that has 3 young guards that need development made any sense at all not to mention the huge contract herro has, the Bucks got a deal done bc Ayton was involved ( a player that fits Portlands timeline and is a position they needed with a aging injury prone Nurkic)
Word around the league is that Herro was worth a low first-round pick and non-rotation players for matching salary. Meanwhile, Portland has 96 minutes to divide three ways in the backcourt. Portland is bad but you could not find another bad NBA team that needed Herro less.
Herros contract isn’t even that large, it’s 100% blown out of proportion, literally the whole league is expensive right now and for his production he’s getting paid what he deserves. He’s the 52nd highest paid player currently. I just don’t think us nba fans realize how much money the league makes and big contracts are nowhere near as big as they seem.
@@mr.longjohn0014That doesn't change the fact that there's little interest in Herro around the league.
Also ayton and holiday can both be trade for more picks instead of one tradable player in herro. and also the picks are farther down the future when lillard is 39 years old.
@@LunaticTheCat and that’s fine he can stay in Miami. My only point was he’s not overpayed unlike what some think.
As someone who deals with stingy cheap assholes, seeing Miami lose out was gratifying. Sucks for the fans though
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk When did the Heat win the championship when they were underdogs? Last they won, they had a superteam.
That’s like saying you have a better chance to win by being worse rather than better.
stingy? they were giving Portland 3 players 2 picks and 2 pick swaps thats a huge haul for a player who has just signed a supermax contract
@@GibranCamus-fh2wkYou should have said, got to the finals, not won the whole thing though.
@@GibranCamus-fh2wkThere is no time Miami has not been a favorite with that big three. I’m sure you were thinking about the latest iteration of the Heat of the last few years.
But still. There’s no way I believe you that you rather not have Dame.
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk The Miami Heat hasn’t won in over a decade participating trophies don’t count
Miami should've made a good enough offer that Cronin rejecting it would've made him look like a villain. Offering less than Bucks (bc far-future picks/swaps from a very old team can be super valuable) lets Cronin off the hook bc he could make the same decision as if ego wasn't a factor. If Miami added 1 more pick and young player, Cronin would've had to wear that cross to Blazers fans/owners. People would've called for his head if Blazers underwhelmed bc they'd say he let his ego ruin a better deal. That aspect might have had Cronin reconsider but Miami didnt even try
“I HAD A GOD DAMN PLAN ERIC” -Pat Riley
i really like the point you made regarding how the lakers and pelicans handled the AD trade as televised as it was that AD wanted to go to the lakers, the lakers still gave them a fairly huge haul. Miami were way to cocky with everything. especially their fans
Miami Heat fans were insufferable. I'm so glad that they didn't end up with Dame.
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk I wouldn’t say so, pretty disrespectful negotiating to not want to include Caleb Martin to the suns to facilitate the ayton move for the blazers. A lot of reports said the heat gave the first offer and said if you don’t like it find something else. And now the heat have lost a lot when they were for sure “certain” they were getting dame
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk missed out on resigning gabe and max because they were under the assumption dame was a done deal for them
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk This sounds like cope.
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk I think if the dame to heat rumours were never brought up they resign strus or gabe if not both to reasonable deals. Why would they not bring back integral rotation pieces if not for an upgrade that they were presumably chasing (Lillard)
Dame in Bucks
Jrue is Boston
and Miami..... "What the hell just happened?!?"
Miamis coming for y’all
Ik the title is for the views and I respect that but since the Haynes and Shams Articles came out Miami was never given a fair chance because Portland got too emotional
But the Heat were at fault too for lowballing their initial package which made Portland pissed and made them never seriously negotiate with Miami again.
Happy for Dame tho, He gets to contend for a chip now
Portland's "emotions" were never the biggest problem. Had Miami offered a decent deal it probably would have gone through. To fail from such an advantageous position is utterly ridiculous.
@@thomaslequesne5475 True but partially Dame also gets the blame too cuz had He not mentioned Miami and Miami only, the Heat wouldn't have started with such a low initial offer and Portland would feel more at ease with negotiation because multiple teams would be named
Given a fair chance? I’d have been insulted by the Heat’s offer. They acted like Jovic was a superstar in the making, and offered up two firsts (that we know aren’t gonna amount to anything because it’s Pat Riley). I wouldn’t have given them a chance either after that initial offer
@@dracuno97 that's true. And it's not like Portland is totally innocent either. But I feel like Miami really are the ones who messed up the most.
@@dracuno97Dame isn't getting a chip him and Giannis are very injury prone second round exit at best
Trade package so good we even got Jokic!
The asking for Jimmy or Bam is standard negotiation, same way Rockets asked for Kyrie or KD for Harden or Nets asked for an all-star for KD.
If they really wanted to the Heat and Blazers could've gotten a deal done, but Heat stayed firm with their offer and didn't want to outbid themselves, that lead to Portland getting mad and ignoring Miami.
For example, Heat could've given Herro (flipped for another first), Jovic, 3 firsts, 2 swaps, Lowry, Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin, Jaime Jaquez
but when it's going on for months, they get sick of hearing from Miami and went forward with the Bucks offer of Jrue, Grayson, 1 pick, and 2 swaps
I really thought it was a forgone conclusion he was going to Miami and we might've had to wait until the trade deadline like we did with KD, but the Bucks came out of left field. Ultimately, the Bucks trade is better for NBA fans since the Heat's lack of depth was gonna kill them. Dame and Giannis is a much more interesting duo especially when it's essentially just a straight up Dame for Jrue swap. It'll tell us if offense or defense matters more since Jrue is one of the best guard defenders and Dame is one of the worst, but Jrue is a above average on offense, Dame might be the best offensive player in the NBA rn
@@ckq Heat's lack of depth? Their bench literally carried their finals runs and their ECF run.
thats our whole future packaged with 2 people we really want to lose.... nah bruh, Jovic and Jaquez and Martin are dealbreakers right away, especially all together, maybe one of them together with Herro and Robinson 1 first and 2 swaps, maybe in extreme cases 2 firsts, but thats about it. If they wanted Lowry he could be included as well but that was about as high as we were willing to go for a max 34 year old Dame who can prove to be a liability and walk for nothing in 2 years. It was a bad deal for us, lets not kid ourselves. If we signed and traded Struss maybe we couldve gotten the deal done but otherwise we really did not have the right assets to make the deal at this time unless a 3rd team got involved and unfortunately for us that 3 rd team was PHX who we got beef with for as long as i can remember and the deal washed right there, we were never able to match Ayton without gutting our team to hell in the process. I believe in our front office and if theere waas a deal to be made im sure Pat would have made it.
Pat Riley and the rest of that front office is just an extension of their fan base. Overvalue and overhype borderline good players (Nikola Jovic or Jamie Jacques Jr) or good players who they believe should be untouchable (Tyler Herro). You have no idea how many Heat fans I have as friends who said “Bro we can’t include NIKOLA JOVIC and/or CALEB MARTIN in a trade for Damian Lillard.”
those are some smart friends you have bruh, im a heat fan and i feel exactly the same way. Maybe i would have given them Jaquez, maybe, but even that is a big stretch. Dont worry about our front office, they got this, look where we are, do you think we could get here with a bad front office? if Pat was not on top of his game? If Spo was not? Are we the perfect team, no we are not nor do we aim to be, we embrace our mistakes and work together to mitigate our collective flaws, we do not look for perfection we look for truth and honesty towards ourselves and giving the best we got whenever we go out there. We have our rules and we follow them, thats Heat culture, we dont give in to crazy demands, we do not stake our entire future which is certain to be good for an immediate dream that should be good but we dont really know. Thats what Miami culture looks like and thats why it works, there is no BS involved. Thats why certain franchises in the NBA are simply above and beyond the rest because even tho its still a minority, they get that to win you need to put in the work, not the money. Thats why we were in the finals, 2 out of 4 last finals, thats why GS won the chip, thats why Denver won the chip, thats why we got oh so close, and i could go on and on and almost for every finals game you can say that the team that won really deserved to win.
Really loving Pat Riley! We didn't need Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard when we have an underdog roster! 🔥🔥🤩🤑(When will the suffering end)💯💯🙌🙌🤑🤑🔥🔥
Didn't the Heat just win the East? They sent thr Bucks AND Boston home. AND they already upgraded the roster. Sure they never got Dame but the team is actually better than last year already.
@@Miles_305luck
@@Miles_305upgraded? With fucking WHO?
They got worse over the offseason @@Miles_305
@@Miles_305 With no Middleton or Giannis, luck plain and simple
This is a cool thumbnail man, nice work!
rusty looks like much healthier! u look fantastic bro keep pushing
Giannis is finna have an all time run with Dame and i feel so bad for Miami😂
no he's not
@@cicjose6016 Have fun being wrong
The man already had a stacked team and got embarrassed in 5 games!!! The only game they won was without him 😂🤣
Miami fumbled not only Dame this season but any chance they had of landing Giannis two seasons from now, they were one of the favorites to get him if Milwaukee didnt put a good enough team around him to keep him but now Giannis will be a Bucks lifer most likely
@@shawtyeatemup1352 jimmy could average 50 against giannis and dame and that still wouldn't be enough lol. this time we don't have jrue shooting 8/25 from the field
Dame to the Bucks broke the NBA Rusty
9:45 Damn I didn't realize Dame got trade to Denver 😂😂
I really only see 1 of 2 options for them post trade, and that is to either see what they can get for a combination of Lowry + Robinson + Martin + literally all their picks (probably would be divided into two trades) or just trade Jimmy and Bam (and maybe even Herro in that case) and blow the team up.
we dont blow our team up, and if we did dont you think it makes sense to keep Herro and Bam since they are young? Dont you think we would not trade Duncan and Kyle in a heartbeat if we could? Im all for trading for a stretch 5 and a defensive minded PG, dont get me wrong. Buuuuut... you know... nobody wants them at the price they are going by and its not like we can deflate their salary... ya'll really have no idea about who the Heat are and what we are about, this is not how we do things, if you dont like it how we do things you always know where the doors are.
It's hard to push the blow it up button aftermaking the finals last year, but I think not doing so just delays that by a year
@@weedhigh2564 you watched the video. Pat Riley is getting old and showing signs of Alzheimer’s. He is not going to make the necessary moves to lead this team to anything. There probably is no necessary move for him to make. They can choose to buy into the narrative that is Heat culture but they will be stuck in mediocrity for the next 5 seasons at least. It is that stupid ass narrative that has cost them any rings since the Bron days.
@@theheebs100 we have no such button in Miami, we do not rebuild!
@@GibranCamus-fh2wk I sure hope you don’t think their other option is to actually compete😭😭
One key difference between the AD and Lillard situations is that Lillard had multiple years left on his deal. AD didn't. This means that Lillard had way less leverage than AD. So for Miami and Dame to act like the Blazers HAD to trade him to Miami looks even more ridiculous. The other difference is that LA actually had great assets to offer for AD.
He only had those years on his contract because Cronin LIED to him to get him to sign the year prior. Everyone ignores that though
Nikola "Joe-vich" 😂 I hope that was on purpose to illustrate the point lol
Dame and jokic…. That would be legendary
Damn was that a Fear the Deer shirt in the ad read? You switching teams, bud?
5:15 - People didn't hate on Anthony Davis because he hasn't spent the last decade talking about how loyal he is and actively attacking other players for moving to different teams. Anthony Davis didn't sign a supermax contract the year prior, then force a trade, he had 1 year left on his deal and had the leverage to demand to go to the Lakers and use his free agency to discourage other teams from trading for him.
6:30 - Also, I don't know if that's true. I remember the reports saying that it was Tyrese Maxey who they didn't want to trade (which turned out being the right decision)
Keep counting us out we better as underdogs! Just dont be shocked when we shock the nba again!
9:46 this is the exact moment giannis became jokic
Heat fans... what are you guy's honest thoughts on this whole thing?? I understand majority of fans are a bit salty, but do you guys see another Finals appearance in the next 2-3 years? Where is this team even headed after this??
diehard Miami fan here, i think something along the lines of we go for Dragič on the vet minimum, we get another young PG that is more defensively oriented and we get a stretch 5 or 4. No need to make big splashes for them, a regular player good at the job we need him to do would do just fine if consistent. I would not mind a splash tho especially for that stretch 5 since size is most of what we need and rebounding consistency on D, speaking of which Pat if you are reading this, Jonas Valanciunas is the man we need. We need somebody able to stop the Jokič's and ADs of the world on the team and currently we have only Bam and even for him its tough. Hell at this point i would not mind Boogie. We saw last year how much of an impact getting Kevin Love had, if we could double down on another similar player just younger, i say thats the way.
@@weedhigh2564 thanks for the reply, I think you make a good point about needing a stretch big man seeing as the front office didn't resign two of your best shooters, but I don't know if those moves gets you guys to another Finals appearance 😅 best of luck on this upcoming season
@@hoopsfienda stretch big would do wonders, we need to mention that we played the whole playoffs without our really best shooter and did good, sure losing Max hurts big time, but Jovic will be promoted this year as well as we can still trade for people or sign them as free agents, its not like we necessarily need a star to get over the hump, we need our weak points adressed more than anything, thats 3 point shooting and size, the rest we pretty much got covered.... oh how i wish to hear these words " Jonas Valanciunas traded to the Miami heat for Kyle Lowry and 2 first round picks (or something, im flexible about what we send in return thats just the ideal deal)", it would be a dream, im 100% he is the man we need to be unstoppable, if we get 2 decent shooters from free agency that can also play PG and D we are set for another finals, this time not so undersized anymore because lets be honest, both Lakers and Denver beat us just because of their size and while sure on paper they both looked the better team the way we lost we lost because of lack in size not lack of talent
My man said Dame and Jokic. 9:48
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team in recent memory fumble this hard
The nets with KD Kyrie and harden
@@Newportnews98yea for real atleast the Heat had some sense of playoff success before their fumble
@@user-rr7bu9fe3k some sense of playoff success, my brother in Christ, they've made it to two finals.
@@Newportnews98 bkn had no control over what happened. Literally everything that had to go wrong went wrong for them.
only time will tell if thats true, true Heat fans right now dont think so
The Heat will be fine, they always are and then you all will look up and they will have another deep playoff run. #HeatNation
Small market helping out each other instead of the big market team
That's actually a cool sponsor
Rusty thank you as a blazers fan who wanted to see Dame go to miami. This is by far one of the best analysis of the situation that Ive heard from most media. Dame also didn’t help by making things public but he lashed out cuz of Cronin going against everything he’s said to him the last 2 years and also because Cronin refused to negotiate in good faith with the heat despite everything Dame has done for the organization
Dang Miami missed out on Donovan Mitchell Bradley Beal Damian Lillard kyrie Irving at this point they might as well sign James harden
Dames agent needed to keep his mouth shut. It caused Miami to get too confident and lowballed their offer while pissing off Portland.
Rusty Buckets light mode
Couldn't agree more.
Team 1
PG. Magic Johnson
SG. Kobe Bryant
SF. Scottie Pippen
PF. Dennis Rodman
C. Shaq
Team 2
PG. Stephen Curry
SG. Reggie Miller
SF. Larry Bird
PF. Kevin Garnett
C. Hakeem Olajuwon
Team 3
PG. Steve Nash
SG. Michael Jordan
SF. Dominique Wilkins
PF. Dirk Nowitzki
C. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Team 4
PG. Jason Kidd
SG. Dwyane Wade
SF. Lebron James
PF. Tim Duncan
C. David Robertson
Team4 is unfair bro
I choose team 3. Team 1 and 4 don't have enough shooting. Also, i don't see Magic playing in the triangle offense effectively, he really likes to push the tempo. Team 3 have kinda the same problem. Nash was at his best playing 7s or less, but in a low pace game (due to MJ, Dirk and Kareem), i don't think so. And depending on MJ and Kareem to play defense, it would be hard (i don't have an opinion on DW defense). Team 4 is great and they will have chemistry (LeBron and wade; TD and the Admiral. Also, in 2008, Kidd playing with LeBron and Wade in the Olympics was fun to watch, two basketball minds like LeBron and Kidd really played great together), but, not enough shooting, maybe the best defensive team of all of the 4 teams you mentioned. Team 3 is easy the best option. Even thought Reggie and Curry don't have the best defense, Bird was an underrated defender (specially as a help defender), and KG and Hakeem are two or the best defenders. Enough playmaking (Bird, Curry and KG), shooting and floor spacing (Curry, Miller and Bird), and pickpocking/ stealing (Bird, Curry and Hakeem). Also, chemistry. If Bird won 3 rings with McHale and Parish as his frontcourt (obviously KG and the Dream are better), Curry won 4 with Klay and Green (but instead, with Miller spacing and KG and Bird as his pointforwards) and the Dream won 2 with Mario Ellis, Sam Cassell and Horry (but instead, Curry, Miller and Bird) the sky is the limit for this team.
@@marcosmartinez8088did you mean team 2
@@Newportnews98 aaahh, yeah, that's right.
Joe Cronin is such a goon bro if I was a Blazers fan I’d be pissed
You went from looking 35 in your old vids to a prime 27
Time will tell but they could still potentially end up with Jrue Holiday or another player that is a part of a potential Jrue Holiday trade like say CP3 or James Harden.
If Miami ends with jrue and faces the bucks in the playoffs that would be perfect
Its wild how the fact Miami did nothing lead to their greatest enemies doing everything
I feel so bad for jimmy he legit proven he needs a better team juiced tf outta every lemon they gave him and they can't help him. I'd leave tbh if I was him. Miami doesn't deserve him.
Facts
Yeah bro, Im a heat fan but Jimmy has been wasted his time in Miami, guy always has to do a lot to move this team through the playoffs and gets out of gas in finals because he usually doesnt have much help
Y’all are funny 2 finals trips in 4 years and jimmy is being wasted 😂
Heat have placed further than any other team in the past 4 years, what is this nonsense?
@@willyspokenwordsprospersyeah cuz the heat haven’t put a good team around jimmy
If I'm Portland I'm asking for Butler if Miami has the nerve to make an offer😂 But they don't need anything cause the great Tyler Herro is coming back 😂😂
Butler for dame is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
Been saying this jake
This is one of those few videos where you don't actually want to skip the sponsorship message.
@@pfpchad2747 Huh? I've been a Sacramento Kings fan my whole life. I don't see what this has to do with my comment - did you mean to reply to somebody else? The sponsorship on this video is actually really useful.
I thought it was going to be an elaborate metaphor for shopping for players at first lol@@iankinzel
My bad. I read your message wrong. I thought you were saying that he should skip the message. I'm going to delete the original post.
The Heat weren't going to win a chip with Dame, it's not that big of a fuck up. Trade Butler and Bam and start all over.
I just sent this to one of my best friends that’s a Miami fan so let’s see what I wake up to tomorrow
9:46 🤨 When did that happen?!
@9:47 Dame and Jokic?!?!.... don't scare me like that bro
Am sorry so if you know so much, which team did you help build and pick for?
The fact that the Heat didn’t throw everything they could (minus Bam and Jimmy) at a Dame trade right off the bat shows they don’t respect the guy. I’m happy that he ended up in Milwaukee where the organization and fan base will truly appreciate him
imma keep it a buck fifty whitcha big dawg you ain’t very wrong
If Miami ends up with Jrue Holiday, they'll come out ahead
Probably they won’t get far this year, but I tell you that in 2 or 3 years they will be in finals or even they will win a ring. I am glad that they didn’t get a dame for 60, he is not worth it. ES and Heat Culure is something else
oh i think we go far this season too, especially because of what happened. Everyone will underestimate us again, they will talk and talk meanwhile we gonna be quiet and do the work and whatever is necessary to get there again and again... We will get the pieces we need to improve this year too, just look how much of an impact a player like Kevin Love had last year for us, you think its really that hard to find a player like that? We gonna make our moves when moves are to be made, we will not rush and we will not speak, we will just do the work necessary and be there when regular season ends
@@weedhigh2564 And you need butler to be MJ again lol get the dude some legit help and stop being so arrogant. Heat culture is cheap as f.
There's something going on with Mikey Arison, the owner of the heat because if you go back and track Miami moves, its just have been to duck under the first apron
As a dame fan, I'm happy
"heat culture" 🤣
According to Chris hanes in a article Miami is off the table from the start
"Dame and Jokic" come on man..
Everyone dissing my heat lol all good still got to see us especially in playoffs
Bad Take.
Heat never wanted Dame. Heat were willing to take Dame for the bare minimum, being tyler herro and a couple picks. Anything past that, not so much. Also much more info came out from Dame's camp stating that Cronin never even wanted to negotiate with Miami and specifically didn't out of spite. There was no chance Miami was getting Dame with Cronin's pettiness. Dame speaking up about one and only one destination backfired and it is what it is. Miami have been to the finals twice in 4 years, and ECF 3 times (game 7 one three from winning even for a third finals visit) all with basically the same roster year in and year out. They can do it with or without Dame. It was never about Dame.
finally someone with some sense
Exactly, Miami isn’t going to Join the circus that was this whole dame trade because if dame really wanted to go to Miami to win he wouldn’t have extended with Portland last year I believe. Why would pay give up the bench and future to possibly win now and only now? He’s jimmy deserves help but he’s also shown he can win with decent players and there’s still the traded deadline. Pat is a businessman people just get too emotional(and I don’t think same is the answer that Miami needs anyway)
Did they win anything?
@@No_Iceee 2 conference titles, more than any other team in the past 4 years
@@cottoncandylol7175 no point in saying anything to these type of fans, they might as well be on espn
The difference between AD and Dame situations: AD was on an expiring, Dame isnt
Dame was lied to to sign
If Portland asking for Bam or Jimmy is true which is reported by Shams, then it’s clear from the start that nothing was going to happen. Portland requesting their ridiculous request is most likely what led the heat to barely show genuine interest in dame at that point. Emotions of Cronin and Pat definitely played a factor in the trade not happening as well.
Hair’s looking great
Not a fan of Cronin. But he did really well with the Dame trade.
So basically the Miami Heat screw the pooch not getting Damian Lillard.
If you're addicted to buying dumb shit online you should really check if you can do something about that.
Miami is going to beat Milwaukee even with Dame
Cronin asked for jimmy or bam. They’re not serious lol
This is a bad take, it’s been reported multiple times the blazers just didn’t want to deal with Miami. Even going as far as to ask for jimmy or bam when talks started. Heat offered a better package than the bucks, blazers were not interested
A three way trade with the Suns and Heat would have got everyone more of what they wanted. Cronin was in his feelings.
@@Miles_305 Heat management is cheap as f. Don't want to offer your best then don't expect a phone call.
The Heat kept trying to lowball the Blazers and the Heat fucked around and found out.
@@bentaft8791found out what? They’re doing just fuckin fine while Portland looks like they gave up dame for near nothing
C'mon man, Riley is the reason why this team have a winning culture. Sooner or later, a star/superstar will look Miami as a perfect destination and will sign with them. The team just dont have assets and other teams won't trade away a star/superstar for nothing, that's all.
They massively overpaid Lowry, Robinson and Herro.
Herro's contract is fine, but it's hard to see due to recency bias of playoffs. I agree with Lowry though.
@@RD-zx6py man, he is trying to keep the Core that have reached two finals. Sometimes, in order to do that, he will have to overpaid or underpaid players, just to keep the team relevant. Is not like signing or trading for a star/superstar will solve everything. In the meantime, keeping his core is important.
The thing is that ever since 2019 there has only been 3 superstars free agents, nowadays players would rather get a sure thing rather than risk it in FA. They all want to sign the supermax and ask out the next year, they want their cake and eat it too, when the supermax was created so small market teams could retain their star player, but it doesn't work since they just sign and dip. That's why banking on getting a superstar through free agency nowadays is slim. If a player don't sign an extension, they're gonna trade him so they don't lose him for nothing.
What package would've been better?
No way Miami would beat Dame and Jokic for sure XD
You know that jimmy’s coming for bucks neck again in the playoffs 🤣 a fan of neither team but I’m excited for those mil/mia match ups this coming season
This time, he won't be lucky to face an injured roster.
@@daanishgupta yeah that’ll defo matter but the heat were still winning 2-0 before giannis went down
jimmy when dame makes a half-court shot then Gainnis chases him down and dunks on him🤯
Heat may have to blow it up as a fan but this team isn’t very good outside of butler and bam
The fact that they traded him to the Bucks specifically which is a direct adversary to the Heat is clearly a sabotage move from Portland 😂
Warriors should get Dwight Howard so I could see that match up in the finals
Almost 3 minutes into the video before it actually starts. smh
Miami done messed up😭
They didn't stand a chance...see Bleacher report
nah we did not screw up, its all good. As soon as phoenix got involved i knew right then and there it will be nigh impossible to make the trade for Dame. But even so, without Phoenix even involved the ask was either Jimmy or Bam (which would fuck Dame over anyway) 2 of our youngsters and all our futuer picks untill 29. It was not gonna happen that way. This is a heated debate in the fandom of the Heat at the moment, with the "fans" thinking we screwed up while the fans think we all good. I disagree we put all our eggs in that one basket, it was never a certainty and it was not even close to the AD situation. Also i remember Dame giving a statement that regardless where he would end up he would perform. As well as it was not Jovic that was the deal breaker, they wanted either Jimmy or Bam, but i would not trade Jovic as well and the additional side of the package was crazy as well. We were prepared to trade Tyler Duncan and Kyle and our picks to get the job done, we were prepared to include other players as well. We dont need no back up plan per se, we need a decent center and pg still, which would still be the case if we get DAme, we'd still be undersize as hell. The Bucks needed to make the spalsh to retain Giannis. Again you are missing the mark big time, the problem was Phoenix joining in the trade, thats why we lost on Dame, not stinginess. Nah, we keeping Pat ty, only "fans" are pissed at him right now, no hardcore fan is really mad, we gonna be good im not worried
Can’t wait for dame to prove u wrong.
At the end of the day it wasn’t the heat offering more, it was Portland that didn’t want to deal with the heat and to prove a point Cronin wasn’t going to trade Dame to Miami. So it wouldn’t not made a difference unless the heat offered every asset they had which they weren’t going too. But Portland took less just for pettiness
9:43 well good thing they don’t have to unless jokic is getting traded to the bucks
Oopsies
_Dick Headery_ sounds like a MyGM autogenerated name 💀
If the Celtics can trade Brogdon and White or Horford along with a couple picks for Jrue they would be scary. On paper they already look like the team to beat. If they had Jrue I honestly feel sorry for Dame if they meet in the playoffs. He won't have an open look all series 😂. Jrue, JB, JT, KP, Timelord. Who's scoring on that defense? I'm not a Celtics fan but I don't see how that team isn't the favorite.
They f up the bag idk what went wrong wrong 🤷🏽♂️😒🤨
If they got dame they might’ve been able to get giannis in free agency
Pat riley should’ve been more aggressive in pursuing a trade when free agency started and when portland wanted more should’ve realized his team didn’t have the assets to make the trade and pursue backup options
It’s a negotiation…..you start low and work your way up to the best offer you feel comfortable making….Portland simply didn’t want to trade dame to Miami and that’s the bottom line! Jrue and a first? That’s a joke cronin gave them dame to spite him and the heat!
It's not just about the fit with Bam and Jimmy, although the fit would've been fine regardless. It's where Dame ended up that makes this sting. You bolstered a conference rival who'll more than likely be out for your blood, meanwhile you got significantly thinner in depth.