Well did you catch the fact that she DID NOT PAY INTO THIS. Her government pension means that she did not contribute 6.2% of her gross salary into Social Security. And now after the fact, she wants Social Security.
@@jeeperjeff70 she wants to draw survivor benefits based on her husbands social security. that makes sense everyone else gets that even if they didnt pay in
Social Security has being depleted. It wasn't well designed to start with. You can thank the Billionaires that created the industries , jobs that produced income so you could contribute to IRA 401k and SS.
Publicly traded companies are primarily structured to remove wealth from consumers and transfer it to upper management & shareholders by providing goods / services with the lowest labor / commodity cost possible. Each quarter companies demand more & give less, in the name of shareholder profits. Billionaires are making bank off of the millions of people earning between 10k-25k a year. Our federal minimum wage cannot keep a person housed, clothed & fed, bcz billionaires are addicted to squeezing every penny out of the businesses their familial wealth has given them. This is also the reason social security is teetering on the brink. The current cap has been kept artificially low for decades by these same billionaires that decided $7 an hour is enough 'trickle'. The 10% of US citizens that already hold the most wealth also own 85% of the stock market. That leaves the other 90% of us squabbling over the 15% of shares they're dangling before us. No thank you. I prefer not to be the reason "low income" workers are being denied breaks & raises.
It's not welfare, you have to or should have to pay into it to receive it. And the government should repay all money stolen from it. It is insurance, not welfare
If you don't pay into social security then you shouldn't receive social security. If you paid into a pension then that's what you get. The widow should receive survivor benefits from her husband. He paid in.
@@mimib.3591 we're facing another government shut down, they're sending more money to ukraine. and you want your money? who wants their money, you and the mouse in your pocket? its over, there is no money!!!!
THAT'S WHAT SHE IS SAYING. Glad you agree she should get 'survivor's' benefits. Won't last long....not with what elon-the-oligarch and king trump are planning.
Time to pass this bill. This law is ridiculous. I was a cop for 18 years and my dad was for 34 years We paid into pensions. And we worked other jobs that paid into SS.. .but what we earned in SS is reduced because we were cops with a pension??? WTF is that? Only asking for what I earned / paid into SS like everybody else. Shame on us for working multiple jobs and contributing to society. Cannot believe this law was ever enacted in the first place.
That’s right. I was a FF for 30 years but prior to that I worked 13 years at a job that paid into SSA. And now I only get 40% of what I should be getting from SSA.
@@nicstevens6499 The law was to prevent people from receiving the welfare calculation meant for low wage earners that pay into Social Security for more than 30 years. Why should you receive the same calculation for paying into Social Security for 10 or so years?
@@shamalama29 That is ridiculous... Hopefully they can get this passed. My last memories of Biden can be him passing this law and not the total mess he's overseen the past 4 years...
I’ve paid into social security for 43 years. They took my money and gave me credits to use in retirement. I also work for a government agency and will have a pension. I DESERVE EVERY PENNY FROM BOTH.
@@greatcollector9362 Worked and paid into both systems, why should only one pay? Both were funded by the worker, why cheat them out of the money they had to pay?
@GreggWalken-xd3qv Hilarious. You forgot *insert awkward elon musk laugh* at the end. You guys really need to stop using the same tired joke. It's like you guys collectively use one brain.
Ok, let's tax the rich at 100%...THAT will cure the problem, right? How many jobs have YOU created, Mr. Nobody? What would be the incentive to start businesses when those people would be taxed to DEATH? Oh, but THAT'S ok. You liberal empty-heads need to go move to a socialist country. It's the fault of the GOVERMENT, when they use our tax dollars for frivolous programs, instead of putting the funds where they will do the most good. Wise up.
I had a high school teacher warn my class about this in the late 90s. He said by the time we get old enough for ss it would be gone. Don't know if he realized his generation would feel the effects first.
Notice they didn't say what she WAS living on; I looked it up; LA state pension for a 'top earner' which is what a principal would be is $4500 a month. My SS is only $1100 a month - she can't live on that and 'HAS TO' work at a stand up job working as a cashier? With her education and experience? There's no sit down jobs she could apply for? As usual, CBS telling only half the story.
One of the main reasons this BS is happening now today is bcuz they're running out of SS funds to payout. These greedy ignorant govt officials have been on the take for years. And now it's come to the point where the only thing left in the vault is a handwritten piece of paper with 3 letters on it stating, "IOU." If you notice recently the same BS is going on with FEMA funds that have apparently disappeared somehow that nobody has a clue where they went in order to take care of our own citizens in this country who are in need of help. It's crazy how the govt always has enough money to shell out to other countries around the world. Yet, it seems when it comes to taking care of their own U.S. citizens there's no more money to give. Please help me out here, how is that? Cuz I'm completely baffled anymore with all of this BS! IDK all the answers, but I do know something's got to give & soon or there's gonna be hell to pay for some of these narcissistic, greedy dipshlts who are blatantly stealing our own money. Just saying... Let's keep it a buck ya dig? 🤔 +++Peace Funk & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+++ 🤘😜🤘
CBS isn't telling the full story. The windfall elimination provision simply counts high income against the individual. You have to have a relatively high average annual income that you didn't pay social security taxes on for the windfall elimination provision to affect you.
Double dipping is common with Military veterans also,,,,after their Mil Carreer they take a job with the VA or the post office then collect that retirement also.
I've PAID into Social Security for 10 years; and I have my 40 qualified quarters. Yet, because of the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset, Social Security told me that my offset is 100 per cent! Even at age 70! I'm not getting so much as one cent from the money I paid into the system! I played by the rules. I paid my social security taxes. And how am I rewarded? With for a slap in the face, a punch in the gut, and a swift kick in the you-know-what!
I’m in the same case like you retired from the state government and drawing pension benefits from California, I paid into social security before working for the state and after retirement from the state. My employer exempt from participating into social security, but I have over 10 years of private sector employment and received statements from social security after 62 years old I’ll get $450 per month that’s 6 more years away. But I’ll wait and see if social security will pay me that little money. Either way if social security denied paying me because of my 6K per month after taxes state pension, really not a big deal they can keep their money
@@chuckxu5910 Welcome to the club. At least you're getting something. I'm getting nothing after paying 10 years into that government-controlled Ponzi scheme called Social Security.
Me too I worked in the public sector and private sector and contributed into both systems and earned my Social security income yet get penalized because I get a pension. It's taxation without representation
A friend of mine retired from her longtime job with LAUnified Schools, and throughout the years knew that she’d receive a pension and not full social security. I’m surprised that the principal wasn’t aware of that.
I also work for LAUSD but worked in another field covered by SS before then for about 17 years and will be docked Social Security by about 700 dollars less a month than I should get. The issue is really important in red states with no unions and lower pay and lower pensions, especially for mid career changers.
If you didn't contribute to social security, then they shouldn't receive a check. When I worked for the school system, I was told that you could contribute to social security as well. I only worked for about a year. There was more advancement in the public sector.
She gets a pension. THAT should be her $2000 a month. I PAID IN for 45 years. She paid into a pension. THAT pension should be what gets corrected. WE pay into FICA. THEY pay into a pension plan. THAT plan should be sufficient and if it isn't that is what needs to be updated.
These people already have/had State or other Gov't pensions, so it would have been more clear & complete had the reporter shown how much/how long these "victims" contributed to Social Security for, if at all.
How is this money stolen from you when you never contributed to social security?? You contributed to your pension through your government job and never into social security. If you lived in NY where you pay into your pension and social security then you are entitled to both without any penalty. This story is so one sided and doesn’t tell the whole story
Incorrect. Why should ANYONE get to double-dip? If that person received a pension, that money is payable for the rest of their life. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
This is odd that she didn’t know this and that others don’t. I worked as a state public servant for a few years and I was fully aware I was paying into a pension and they were not deducting social security. Which is why I did not want to make it a long term thing. When I went back to corporate, I let them take out the required taxes and rolled over my pension to my current 401k. State education jobs are great when you look at the job security and holiday/summer time off but is it worth it though?
She knew it . She's taking her shot and we are supposed to give her the $ . How much is her 33 year pension ?? They left that out . THAT is the reason she doesn't have a right to his SS
@ The reason I said it like that is because it depends on what type of account you’re rolling over to. If it had been a 401k-to-401k rollover, I would not have had the tax deduction at that time. The entire qualifying amount would have rolled over. Because I was rolling funds over from a pension to a 401k account, is the reason why the taxes were deducted at that moment.
@@michaelmorris9546 Yea that’s the odd part - like I wonder if because she didn’t pay into SS, they’re using this “loophole” to use her widow’s benefits to “pay” her portion into SS. Either way it’s very messed up! 😩
Why were they ‘shut out’ of the program? Isn’t this what happens when two spouses who collect and one passes? The person with the largest benefit is what continues. Rather than get people riled up, why don’t you compare the two rather than just one side of the story.
The issue is people who pay into the Educational Retirement plan, or something similar. Places that still have pension plans, which most people in the private sector don't any more. The laws were originally so that people who didn't have a pension plan had one through the government. If you paid into one, most of the time you did not pay into the other. Oddly enough, here I paid into both, but cashed out the pension account when I left the University ... stupid reasons, but canceled out the pension completely. Survivor benefits should be paid to the survivor regardless. People who have never paid into SS, well, if they have a pension paying out, then that needs to be taken into account ... because yes, SSI and SSD do not require that one paid into the system to benefit. It's really tangled.
I worked for 30 years in the public sector and receive a pension, but I have also worked a second job and have 40 quarters in paying into Social Security. Even though I have paid SS taxes on my full income, I'm only going to collect 35% of what I should be getting. That is the same as being taxed on Social Security at a higher percentage. What's fair about that?
I knew this a long time ago, if you are in education, you pay into pension and do not get social security. If I thought I could double-dip I might have became a teacher...
@@michaelmorris9546 Not rightly hers due to the rules she knew all along RE people on Govt pensions . How much is her 33 year pension ?? Where was that question ??
@@AAWGASHTADSright. Those who don’t get a government pension, just social security, paid into their pensions with our taxes. We can’t claim theirs either. That’s why they have the windfall elimination.
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. People getting S.S $$ when they haven't paid into it. It's INFURIATING. This is what depletes the funds for those who ACTUALLY DESERVE THEM.
She wants her husband he’s dead. She shouldn’t get it. That’s the problem Social Security it should be for the person only not your spouse. That’s dead.
If they pay her what she earned, she gets nothing. That is the point. She did not pay in because she was part of an alternative program which she does get. She gets a state pension. Why should I, a person who paid into Social Security, pay for this person who did not?
I worked in public education but still paid social security. I receive both a pension and social security. But some states don’t do it that way. I know an administrator that receives a pension from Illinois but did not pay into social security while in that state. I’m surprised when people did their taxes they weren’t aware they hadnt paid into social security
My teacher retirements are completely free of social security. However, I worked a lot of part time jobs over the years. Even having a second full time job for a little over a year, and I definitely paid into SS on those jobs. So should I at least get that money back?
The “windfall provision” calculates how much ss you get if you have a government pension + ss work. It can be a lot less than someone who made the same total amount of ss wages because the govt gives low wage workers a boost so they can survive. Like if you made $5k for 10 years you would get less ss than a person who made the same amount but doesn’t have a state pension.
What you get, is the average income over 40 "quarters" of employment. How much you made during that time, is also taken into consideration. Your "teacher" pension should have helped you , because you belonged to a Teacher's Union, correct? You state you worked a "second full-time job for a little over a year", do you have your pay stubs to see how much you actually paid into S.S.? I guarantee, it wasn't as much as you think.
If you work a minimum of 40 quarters, under SS . Then take a job with a pension, for 15 years , you get penalties of up to $ 587 per month. That is the WEP provision, So instead of $1000 SS and $1000 pension , you lose! You end up with $323 social security and $1000 pension, and you paid into SS ! Now reverse it 15 years as a city employee, why would you get a job paying into SS, with very little return ? You can’t opt out of SS, so you lose money , vs a 20 year SS worker.
This seems very simple…if you and your employer are not paying 6.2% of your gross salary into Social Security then you don’t get Social Security benefits. If you and your employer were not contributing, then you don’t get money from the coffer you never added to.
You don’t get both. If she revoked her pension (that includes a full work history of not contributing 6.2% to SSA), then she could get survivor benefits from her deceased husband. Clearly, her pension must be more than that. PLEASE… give me the option of not having SSA take 6.2% of my gross, and let me invest that. But she took the extra salary and now wants SSA to give her money she never paid into… she’s a thief.
@@michaelmorris9546 Due to rules she knew all along . She's got a 33 year pension ( they won't tell us how much ) and she wants the SS $ too and that is NOT how it works
This isn't the situation for most people. Most are mid career changers who got their full 40 quarters and worked many years in SS covered field. Then when they switched, they are docked what their full SS benefits would have been,
We and our employer did pay in for a lot of cases. The other cases are for the spouses who paid in and then passed away. The survivor isn’t getting the survivor benefits.
The theft of our S.S. money, has been going on for years (since LBJ was in office). Government just takes what they want. Maybe we should file a class action suit against the Federal government for GRAND THEFT.
Imagine how your life would have been if you wouldn't have sat in a chair 24 hours a day watching fox fake news. You might not have so many people laughing at you.
I was a lifelong public school teacher. I had no idea this happens to teachers. I get my SS and a tiny pension, can't live off the both of them combined.
I'm curious if your W2 reflected whether you paid into SS or not. I would think it would say that each year if you paid into it. I would be pretty upset if I just didn't know that I paid into state funds and didn't know that meant I wasn't getting SS.
@@cyndimoring9389 You should check to see if your pension is tax exempt in your state. Every penny counts! You can go online to SS and view your work history. They will also give you an estimate of your benefits.
After my retirement from a government job, I worked for 15 years in private industry, but was still forced to pay into SS in the private sector. Well. if you are not going to give me the benefit, tell me again why the US GOVERNEMNT made me pay into it knowing full well I will not get the same benefits.
You get the same benefits, WEP makes sure you don't get the same welfare calculation that low wage workers received that have paid into Social Security for 30 or more years.
@@WayneGreen-r6z Yeah, like tell the Government they can't take money out of your check. Why don't you try that and get back to us on how that worked out.
@@josephcalp1604I worked in payroll for my state and gave each new employee a sheet that explained their SS may be less working for the state. I worked many years contributing to SS prior to working 13 years for the state. I get $587 less per month because of this provision. So in simple terms if you and I contributed the same amount over the years to SS say you get $1500 per month I only get $913. I don’t see how that if fair. Yes I knew but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.
If you are a teacher in my state (and it sounds like her state) she didn't pay into Social Security! The State Teachers Union gives them a pension. They know this when they are a teacher. Idk about her husband's pension.
If her husband received a pension from his employer (I think it's safe to assume he worked for a government entity), then he DOESN'T deserve S.S. benefits. Neither one of them deserve any S.S. funds. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
Agree on the first part, but don't know why that translates to her being denied her late husbands as spousal support. It seems she would keep her pension and no SS and get's his SS. Spousal support means the lesser check is given up for the larger one of a late spouse.
I’m surprised people don’t know about this law it’s been around for a long time too me what really stinks it was supported by both parties and it doesn’t effect the private sector if you retire from Exxon you get your full pension and full social security payments how is that right 🙄
Besides the fact that employees paid for their own retirement, companies also contribute. As they should. But Republicans and big businesses want to get out of paying these benefits whenever they can. Amazon, Uber, Airbnb, name any new company that makes billions and you’ll find a company that pays no benefits.
I don’t understand why this story is saying this widow’s situation is unfair. I have paid into social security all my working life, not a pension. Hopefully, it is still solvent when I retire, and I can collect a fraction of what I’ve paid into it. I do not expect payment from any pension because I didn’t pay into one. Further, if my spouse passes, I can only collect either my own or his, whichever is greater, but social security does not allow you to collect both.
But how much does she get from the other pension, the one she did pay into, which lowered her taxes, etc. Interesting how that little question is unasked.
I worked and paid into S.S. 10 years then got my local Government job with the private pension for 27 years. Then I worked another 10 years paying into S.S. On my request for my S.S. I was penalized by almost 50% from $1700 down to $800. Why? If the Senate doesn't pass this legislation by the end of the month we will have to start all over again next year. Its B.S.
It’s theft by our Government. The SS money belongs to we the people who has been paying into it. The government has been stealing from us, through SS and taxes. I pray that Donald Trump‘s administration will find this out, and make it right! Trump‘s been putting together a really good administration team that I hope will find all the stealing going on and make them pay us back!
30+ years for me in public and private sector jobs and they will hit me with WEP at 50%. I heard from a retired person Ronald Regan's administration was the biggest contributor of these S.S. policies. Yet he reaped full benefits with multiple government agencies. Hypocrite.
You only contributed for 20 years, and they calculate what you get by your 35 top earning years (that you contributed to SS). So you have 15 years of zeros that bring your average way down. That might explain it.
We pay for social security and we’re being told it’s gonna go bankrupt or it’s gonna get eliminated. We pay for health insurance and 90 percent of our damn claims get denied. We pay for house insurance and the moment you put in a claim you get Pennie’s on the thousands of dollars you’ve paid. We pay taxes on everything! Property, goods, federal, state, gas, you name it we f’en pay it! We send billions of tax payer dollars in aid to everyone in the world! Maybe it’s time to cut all of our taxes by 70 percent and letting other countries fend for themselves us Americans are fed up we’re tired of paying for pples 💩.
@@BookJay35 I'm tired of the government pissing away billions on worthless causes and telling us, "SOL (Sorry, Out of Luck)." That 43M U.S. funded gas station in Afghanistan in 2017 made my jaw drop!
If she didn’t pay INTO Social Security….Why should she be allowed to Withdraw money…???? Sorry…You made your own decisions and knew the consequences for Decades
@@cincygal4490 She is trying to collect her Teachers pension AND SS from her husband. She never paid into SS. The media is NOT tell you 100% of the story. She damn well knew what the consequences were and yet she kept up with this financial decision.
I played by the rules. I learned the rules. I now collect my Illinois SURS pension and my full social security. I just made sure I worked enough time in social security covered jobs. Too many State employees have not paid attention. This law only hurts if you want something for nothing.
So she's already getting a pension and never paid into soc security? She shouldn't get soc sec then. She has no right to it. Not the publics fault she squandered her money and never saved. Hell I wish I could go the majority of my life without paying into soc security!
Or getting that nice pension. Not all of us had that opportunity, besides the fact that I would NEVER work for ANY government entity, knowing that I would get money from a taxpayer-funded pension. THAT is so wrong in so many ways.
If you paid in you should get benefits. If you havn't paid in then you shouldn't be getting benefits. If you have another retirement plan and you paid social security taxes you should get your full benefit. Nobody should have to pay taxes on Social Security benefits.
Biden voted for taxing SS benefits when he was a congressman, he was very proud of it at the time. He was the major instigator of that bill. He claimed seniors were getting rich off SS. 🙄
Anybody that pays into Social Security should receive it but if you didn’t pay into it then why should you get it? I’m kind of confused. My husband and I both have Social Security if he dies, I cannot collect his Social Security. I can only collect mine, the higher of the two. So I would go down to just one Social Security income a month. I would just receive mine which I paid into for the 45 years that I worked. So I don’t understand why this woman who worked as a teacher and paid into a pension which she receives but did not pay into Social Security should receive her husband Social Security, when many spouses that both paid into Social Security cannot collect their deceased spouses Social Security.
@@drakonas00 Sorry, that's not what we signed up for. WEP/GPO are rules that were put into place after most everyone had their quarters paid. This amounts to theft.
I'm puzzled that her public school principal s pension isn't enough to to keep her from needing to work as a cashier. There's a lot missing from this story.
If this is how this broken system treats its elderly can you imagine when it is our time to collect?? I'm in my 40s and I've been putting into the system for 25 years right out of high school. This is disturbing to say the least.
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My mom went through this same exact thing. My dad died years ago and she could not collect his social security because she was a teacher in Texas and on the teacher retirement system. Make it make sense.
Tell us the rest of the story - how much is your mom's pension alone? Because that was paid for BY THE PUBLIC; those of us working in the private sector pay into the SS system out of our own pockets.
@@signalfire6 Oh I know how to log in to my SS account and see the prospective funds. It's worrying me that if there's this big backpay that there won't be much around later. I was hoping to wait til I'm 70 (just 7 years from now) to make my claim and get the most per month.
Social Security was never intended to be what you lived off but as a supplement to your retirement. I think more people are not taught financial wisdom and when they get old it really bites them. I have taught all my children the benefits of having other forms of income in their retirement years like IRA's, 401K's if offered, stocks and mutual funds and asset ownership. My son told me just today that his oldest son bought his first stock... Nintendo. Schools do such a disservice by not having financial education as part of the curriculum.
I owned a small business and paid the full SS amount. Like 12.4% plus my FICA. What do I get extra, surely no pension. I worked more hours than most. I had no buffer from when things went south like some have by working for someone else. I’m just joking. AllI want is what the Good Lord gives me. Nothing more, nothing less. My greatest joy is being able to bless others with my blessings. I’m happy
Those had not been paid into social security, shouldn't receive Social security. Those government retirees collect more generous pension than other federal employees.
@@paulrobilotti9294 Do your own damn homework, that's what the internet is for. But don't use Google, it's an arm of the Demoncratic party. So is UA-cam.
@@josephknaak9034 If she stayed home or worked a regular job she wouldn't have a pension, like >90% of us don't. Maybe the news should do a story on the rest of us being shut out of the pension plans we didn't contribute to, eh?
I worked as a teacher. I paid into pension programs and social security. Why would these people get both if they only paid into one? Of course some should claim off their spouse's record for SS.
You misunderstand what is happening. These people, including me, PAID into Social Security AND we had pensions through teaching or public sector work. The amount we PAID into Social Security was unfairly cut back because we had another pension. What if you had another pension and ALSO paid into Social Security and the Government told YOU that because you had another pension, the amount you were supposed to get based on what you paid into the system would be reduced just because you also had another pension?
From looking at the comments, I don't think some people understand, that some of us did pay into social security, I paid into it for 35 years, but because I took a civil service job, and will draw a civil service pension, I can only draw 55 percent of SS...no double dipping about it...
There Still should be a class action lawsuit against Social Security and the Government Plus Certain people in leadership. . Because these Crooks don't want people to live long enough to get these benefits 😠
YET citizens don’t know that immigrants coming over and sponsoring their parents to come over and signed a contract to support them financially. YET those parents that come over qualify to get social security even though they didn’t work or pay into the system. How is that fair?! And what happened to the sponsorship agreement they signed to provide for their parents?! That is what is draining the system.
@@getlost3346 Who says I voted for Dems it is a fallacy all CA just vote for Dems!? There are some of us who don’t and although I don’t always go necessarily by party lines, it is the best candidate I believe in will be best for the state or the nation. CA politicians have sold us out and done more harm than good. Same with the national politicians really of both parties- they are for the elite and sold us out. I know Trump is not perfect and has his flaws, but I believe he is definitely better than Biden or Harris especially think for our nation and economy. He will try to do his best bc simply he has a big ego and last term and I think he wants to go down as the best president in history. I hope he does and I like he went to work the very next day! I feel he did more already than the outgoing administration and he has a super team behind him! At least he gives us hope! Most of our family is team Biden and against us like more than any other election! Like crazy- they think we are the crazy ones- we think we were the ones with common sense! We used to agree to disagree but accepted the results, now reactions are looney! Like did you see women shaving their heads and refusing sex with their husbands?! Like what- ruin your marriage and life for an election?! Let’s get back to fixing this country and getting away from nonsense and craziness on both parties or we will destroy ourselves. We don’t need to worry about other nations, we will implode on our own! And make ourselves vulnerable by being weakened.
They didn’t pay into it. They got some cushy govt pension and want social security too. But they didn’t pay into social security when working for the government
Yes you do. I was in the military with plans to retire and FICA was deducted from my pay every month. I ended up leaving before retirement, but if I had retired my retirement pay would have been reduced dollar for dollar by the amount I received from SSI. Tell me how fair THAT is.
@ either way. You only get one. See if you paid for SSA. But you get a “free pension “. Ok free isn’t right but you didn’t break bread for it. So it’s a one Or the other thing. Sorry. I agree you oughta get more. But so should everyone.
Imagine some elderly person doing the same thing they did to the healthcare ceo because they can no longer afford to live in their home. Might as well be in prison where you get free food and shelter.
Most state and federal employees do not pay social security tax. Instead they pay towards their pension or retirement funds. I don’t see why one should receive one if that someone didn’t contribute to begin with.
The story is clipped to try and say she should be getting $2500 a month from SS. No, what they are trying to say is she should be allowed to receive survivor benefits which would be half of what her spouse received, which is probably more like $1500 maybe if that! Its not totally clear the truth of the story. I think possibly at the end she is saying she would have been better of with the SS system. Unclear. News just trying to stir the pot.
Because I worked a part-time job in Missouri, while I was teaching..My Social Security was reduced by 50%...At 70 I still have to work to make up for the shortfall..
Normally if a spouse dies the living spouse is entitled to the benefits that pay the most. The SS funds should be OK since they started taxing it "double" in the 1980s, but congress keeps draining the fund for other projects. Shalom
She said she would've got $2,500 from social security! Her husband must've got $50,000 as she would've been eligiblefor half of his. I wish I could've got that! That's why they have a pension fund for working her job. Her husband should've had a retirement fund as well. And their house should've been paid off by then as well. I would've thought that she would've got servivle benefits at least, if her husband was paying into Social security.
As a widow you get the full amount if it's more than your own. You do not get both. If that Lady had not worked at all she would receive her husband's SS.
Why didn't these people know the Social Security rules during their working lives, and plan accordingly? And how much are they getting from the government public pensions into which they paid instead of Social Security into which they did not pay? I am confused.
She's in her 80s, likely her husband was also. If he retired at 67ish, that was many years of two people receiving generous pensions. Should have a paid for house and lots of savings by now.
@nunyuhbusiness9016 you hope that they implement it because you don't know what it says. Maybe if you had ever learned to read or perhaps if you hadn't dropped out of school in the 7th grade, you wouldn't be saying such silly childish things.
I worked 30 years before health issues forced me to quit. Those issues include a heart attack, getting hit by a car while riding my bike which permanently damaged my left foot. I broke my right foot in several places, and suffer from severe PTSD with flashbacks daily. I went till I couldn't go anymore. There's no way possible I could return to work.
This is potentially great news if Congress is able to pass this. There have been costs for this to be overturned for decades. I know my clients will be thrilled.
Your "clients"? Are you an attorney? If so, how much will you be getting out of this? Maybe you work for an investment firm...that doesn't make you a better person than a lawyer. IF you own a business, how many employees do you have?
This is nonsense. These state pensions in which employees DO NOT contribute to Social Security usually provide VERY generous benefits to compensate for that. It’s not uncommon for them to receive pension benefits equal to their full salary, plus they receive automatic cost of living increases every year for life. I have a municipal pension, but we DID contribute to Social Security, and thus will receive SS benefits, but offsetting that is the fact that our pension pays only a portion of our highest average salary and there are NO cost of living increases, EVER. The state pension recipients are receiving very generous pension benefits, equal to what they would have received from a less lavish pension with SS benefits added, so they have nothing to complain about. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too by receiving a higher pension benefit to compensate for having no SS benefit, but then they still want the SS benefit on top of that, even though they never paid a single penny into SS. If they wanted even more money for retirement they should have invested all of that money they got to keep, that the rest of us had to pay into SS every month. Quite frankly, they’re being greedy.
Most government pensions are not the "golden parachute" you think they are. If so then she would not be 84 years old and working on her feet all day as a cashier. A former public school teacher and principal, just so sad because she cannot collect survivor benefits. She should be able to collect them.
Ever heard of a pension? Federal AND state employees get a pension, thanks to their "union" (there should be NO union for government employees, they should have to negotiate with the people who actually pay them...We The People).
I worked as a secretary for a school department for 30 years. I did not pay into social security during that time. I now receive a city pension. I'm not complaining. My husband gets social security and I will not receive any benefits from that if he dies before I do. We did not spend big and saved instead. We are enjoying our retirement years. Everyone can do this, just plan ahead.
Especially if the job is a government job. There should be NO public sector unions negotiating raises for public government employees. They should have to negotiate with the REAL employers...TAXPAYERS, on a job performance basis.
They did pay into Social Security, or in this case, her husband paid into Social Security, and she should receive Window Benefits. The government stole this money and now it is time to give it back. My husband worked 2 jobs; the job he paid into Social Security is what he is being penalized for because he has a pension. He paid into Social Security in his second job and deserves his social security benefit just like everyone else who paid into the system. His pension has nothing to do with the second job he worked.
That's called "double-dipping", and it SHOULD be illegal. NO ONE getting a pension (especially a government one), should be able to collect social security too...NO ONE. Social Security isn't meant to match a pension, you should have invested your money more wisely.
HUH i didn't have SS TAXES DEDUCTED FROM MY CHECK 😢 now im denied SS should have saved money that wasn't taxes don't feel sorry about it you had to heard others talking about retirement and not getting it
If she was in the government for her job and didn't pay in to social security, then she's only due her pension; why do people expect social security, if they didn't pay in?!
So, let’s say you are a retired teacher, with a state pension, and you die. Your wife, who’s worked as a grocery clerk for 15 years and can collect maybe 400/month of social security (based solely on her wages)-that’s all she will get to live on. Because the social security you paid into when you moonlighted as a security guard at that grocery store doesn’t count. Puts a different light on your comment😢
I wish the Powers That Be would stop treating Social Security like they're giving us an allowance. WE, THE TAXPAYERS paid into this system!!!
Social security, Medicaid, Medicare, and any other entitlement should be eliminated and replaced with a UBI that adjusts for inflation.
And they the government dipped into it and spent it.
@@justSTUMBLEDuponwhat did they spend it on?
Well did you catch the fact that she DID NOT PAY INTO THIS. Her government pension means that she did not contribute 6.2% of her gross salary into Social Security. And now after the fact, she wants Social Security.
@@jeeperjeff70 she wants to draw survivor benefits based on her husbands social security. that makes sense everyone else gets that even if they didnt pay in
So billionaires will be deciding that my Social Security is too much! How about them chipping in!!
Social Security has being depleted. It wasn't well designed to start with. You can thank the Billionaires that created the industries , jobs that produced income so you could contribute to IRA 401k and SS.
Donald Trump is not President yet ... calm down 🤦🏿
Publicly traded companies are primarily structured to remove wealth from consumers and transfer it to upper management & shareholders by providing goods / services with the lowest labor / commodity cost possible.
Each quarter companies demand more & give less, in the name of shareholder profits.
Billionaires are making bank off of the millions of people earning between 10k-25k a year.
Our federal minimum wage cannot keep a person housed, clothed & fed, bcz billionaires are addicted to squeezing every penny out of the businesses their familial wealth has given them. This is also the reason social security is teetering on the brink.
The current cap has been kept artificially low for decades by these same billionaires that decided $7 an hour is enough 'trickle'.
The 10% of US citizens that already hold the most wealth also own 85% of the stock market.
That leaves the other 90% of us squabbling over the 15% of shares they're dangling before us.
No thank you. I prefer not to be the reason "low income" workers are being denied breaks & raises.
@@getlost3346😂
But they have no problem with sending billions to other countries
It's not welfare, you have to or should have to pay into it to receive it. And the government should repay all money stolen from it.
It is insurance, not welfare
Can't tell the younger generations that, they've been brain washed by teachers who don't pay into it and have pensions! 🤷🏼♀️
You pay into SS you get checks when you retire. You don’t pay into it, how are you entitled?
@@nickiemcnichols5397 through her husband who paid into it,in her case.
It’s conservative politics. Good luck. They don’t actually care about you or your life. Money matters more than
Insurance ? Given insurances track record that doesn't give one much confidence in insurance? 🙏
If you don't pay into social security then you shouldn't receive social security. If you paid into a pension then that's what you get. The widow should receive survivor benefits from her husband. He paid in.
People who worked two and three jobs paid into social security. That is the problem. We want our money and benefits.
I paid into Social Security, 40 quarters, as well as my pension. That is money owed.
@@mimib.3591 we're facing another government shut down, they're sending more money to ukraine. and you want your money? who wants their money, you and the mouse in your pocket? its over, there is no money!!!!
THAT'S WHAT SHE IS SAYING.
Glad you agree she should get 'survivor's' benefits.
Won't last long....not with what elon-the-oligarch and king trump are planning.
You are absolutely right. But this is for people who did pay into it. The government keeps half because the recipient has a pension.
This is infuriating. A woman who dedicated her life to teaching children should not have to go back to work at 84 years old.
They never paid into social security. That’s why
She never paid into social security
is she getting a Pension from the 27 years she worked as a teacher.?
Her husband did. She has been denied widow's benefits.
If she had made better financial decisions she wouldn't have to.
Time to pass this bill. This law is ridiculous. I was a cop for 18 years and my dad was for 34 years We paid into pensions. And we worked other jobs that paid into SS.. .but what we earned in SS is reduced because we were cops with a pension??? WTF is that? Only asking for what I earned / paid into SS like everybody else. Shame on us for working multiple jobs and contributing to society. Cannot believe this law was ever enacted in the first place.
Impeached trump Donald
That’s right. I was a FF for 30 years but prior to that I worked 13 years at a job that paid into SSA. And now I only get 40% of what I should be getting from SSA.
@@nicstevens6499 The law was to prevent people from receiving the welfare calculation meant for low wage earners that pay into Social Security for more than 30 years. Why should you receive the same calculation for paying into Social Security for 10 or so years?
@@shamalama29 That is ridiculous... Hopefully they can get this passed. My last memories of Biden can be him passing this law and not the total mess he's overseen the past 4 years...
worked for the Feds and did the same thing you did as to other jobs, it was done back in the 80s get this to save social security, that is a joke
Deport Musk
I’ve paid into social security for 43 years. They took my money and gave me credits to use in retirement. I also work for a government agency and will have a pension. I DESERVE EVERY PENNY FROM BOTH.
You SHOULD take one OR the other not both,,,,you choose
@@greatcollector9362 Wrong.
@@greatcollector9362 They paid into both (not by choice, but compulsion); you can't opt out. To not get back from both is wage theft.
@@greatcollector9362 Worked and paid into both systems, why should only one pay? Both were funded by the worker, why cheat them out of the money they had to pay?
@@greatcollector9362how do you figure that?
Not mentioning that the rich paying their fair share in taxes would help fund social security is concerning. . .
Is that you brandon?
The rich pay more than 60% of taxes taken in by gov..
@GreggWalken-xd3qv Hilarious. You forgot *insert awkward elon musk laugh* at the end. You guys really need to stop using the same tired joke. It's like you guys collectively use one brain.
The rich pay 97% of taxation lmfao
Ok, let's tax the rich at 100%...THAT will cure the problem, right? How many jobs have YOU created, Mr. Nobody? What would be the incentive to start businesses when those people would be taxed to DEATH? Oh, but THAT'S ok. You liberal empty-heads need to go move to a socialist country. It's the fault of the GOVERMENT, when they use our tax dollars for frivolous programs, instead of putting the funds where they will do the most good. Wise up.
George Carlin warned us about this in 2008.
And he was a conservative!😊
I had a high school teacher warn my class about this in the late 90s. He said by the time we get old enough for ss it would be gone. Don't know if he realized his generation would feel the effects first.
@@j.w.r3730He was anti party. He doesn't need to wear a red. Or blue paper hat.
This is very sad, I feel we the people work hard all of our lives and then something like this done to people.
Impeached trump Donald
Notice they didn't say what she WAS living on; I looked it up; LA state pension for a 'top earner' which is what a principal would be is $4500 a month. My SS is only $1100 a month - she can't live on that and 'HAS TO' work at a stand up job working as a cashier? With her education and experience? There's no sit down jobs she could apply for? As usual, CBS telling only half the story.
One of the main reasons this BS is happening now today is bcuz they're running out of SS funds to payout. These greedy ignorant govt officials have been on the take for years. And now it's come to the point where the only thing left in the vault is a handwritten piece of paper with 3 letters on it stating, "IOU." If you notice recently the same BS is going on with FEMA funds that have apparently disappeared somehow that nobody has a clue where they went in order to take care of our own citizens in this country who are in need of help. It's crazy how the govt always has enough money to shell out to other countries around the world. Yet, it seems when it comes to taking care of their own U.S. citizens there's no more money to give. Please help me out here, how is that? Cuz I'm completely baffled anymore with all of this BS! IDK all the answers, but I do know something's got to give & soon or there's gonna be hell to pay for some of these narcissistic, greedy dipshlts who are blatantly stealing our own money. Just saying... Let's keep it a buck ya dig? 🤔 +++Peace Funk & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+++ 🤘😜🤘
CBS isn't telling the full story. The windfall elimination provision simply counts high income against the individual. You have to have a relatively high average annual income that you didn't pay social security taxes on for the windfall elimination provision to affect you.
Double dipping is common with Military veterans also,,,,after their Mil Carreer they take a job with the VA or the post office then collect that retirement also.
I've PAID into Social Security for 10 years; and I have my 40 qualified quarters. Yet, because of the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset, Social Security told me that my offset is 100 per cent! Even at age 70! I'm not getting so much as one cent from the money I paid into the system! I played by the rules. I paid my social security taxes. And how am I rewarded? With for a slap in the face, a punch in the gut, and a swift kick in the you-know-what!
I’m in the same case like you retired from the state government and drawing pension benefits from California, I paid into social security before working for the state and after retirement from the state. My employer exempt from participating into social security, but I have over 10 years of private sector employment and received statements from social security after 62 years old I’ll get $450 per month that’s 6 more years away. But I’ll wait and see if social security will pay me that little money. Either way if social security denied paying me because of my 6K per month after taxes state pension, really not a big deal they can keep their money
@@chuckxu5910 Welcome to the club. At least you're getting something. I'm getting nothing after paying 10 years into that government-controlled Ponzi scheme called Social Security.
Me too I worked in the public sector and private sector and contributed into both systems and earned my Social security income yet get penalized because I get a pension. It's taxation without representation
That's horrible, I'm sorry you're going through that
@@WayneGreen-r6z , everyone should get back what everyone else gets who contributed the same amount
A friend of mine retired from her longtime job with LAUnified Schools, and throughout the years knew that she’d receive a pension and not full social security. I’m surprised that the principal wasn’t aware of that.
A lot of people are not aware of it
B O O M.
I also work for LAUSD but worked in another field covered by SS before then for about 17 years and will be docked Social Security by about 700 dollars less a month than I should get. The issue is really important in red states with no unions and lower pay and lower pensions, especially for mid career changers.
The same reason LA has a horrible reputation for their educational levels.
She probably was. But I don't think it's fair that she didn't get benefits after her husband died---like every other married couple.
If you didn't contribute to social security, then they shouldn't receive a check. When I worked for the school system, I was told that you could contribute to social security as well. I only worked for about a year. There was more advancement in the public sector.
She gets a pension. THAT should be her $2000 a month. I PAID IN for 45 years. She paid into a pension. THAT pension should be what gets corrected. WE pay into FICA. THEY pay into a pension plan. THAT plan should be sufficient and if it isn't that is what needs to be updated.
These people already have/had State or other Gov't pensions, so it would have been more clear & complete had the reporter shown how much/how long these "victims" contributed to Social Security for, if at all.
@@Jon....... you simply do not understand because you do not know or understand the basic facts, these people paid into social security for years.
How is this money stolen from you when you never contributed to social security?? You contributed to your pension through your government job and never into social security. If you lived in NY where you pay into your pension and social security then you are entitled to both without any penalty. This story is so one sided and doesn’t tell the whole story
she wants widows benefits from her husbands soc sec everyone gets that even if they did not pay in
Incorrect. Why should ANYONE get to double-dip? If that person received a pension, that money is payable for the rest of their life. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
Please people READ before you sign on the line!
you need to learn about spousal benefits.
I get that for her, but how does that translate to her being denied her late husbands who paid into his throughout?
This is odd that she didn’t know this and that others don’t. I worked as a state public servant for a few years and I was fully aware I was paying into a pension and they were not deducting social security. Which is why I did not want to make it a long term thing. When I went back to corporate, I let them take out the required taxes and rolled over my pension to my current 401k. State education jobs are great when you look at the job security and holiday/summer time off but is it worth it though?
She was cheated out of the widow's benefit from her husband's social security that he paid into all his working life.
She knew it . She's taking her shot and we are supposed to give her the $ . How much is her 33 year pension ?? They left that out . THAT is the reason she doesn't have a right to his SS
I’m not sure “let them take out the required taxes” is the proper phrasing. They are required to take it, you are required to pay it.
@ The reason I said it like that is because it depends on what type of account you’re rolling over to. If it had been a 401k-to-401k rollover, I would not have had the tax deduction at that time. The entire qualifying amount would have rolled over. Because I was rolling funds over from a pension to a 401k account, is the reason why the taxes were deducted at that moment.
@@michaelmorris9546
Yea that’s the odd part - like I wonder if because she didn’t pay into SS, they’re using this “loophole” to use her widow’s benefits to “pay” her portion into SS. Either way it’s very messed up! 😩
Not some all. My husband paid 24 years into Social Security when he was in the army that didn’t count cost him $750 in his social security
Why were they ‘shut out’ of the program? Isn’t this what happens when two spouses who collect and one passes? The person with the largest benefit is what continues. Rather than get people riled up, why don’t you compare the two rather than just one side of the story.
The issue is people who pay into the Educational Retirement plan, or something similar. Places that still have pension plans, which most people in the private sector don't any more. The laws were originally so that people who didn't have a pension plan had one through the government. If you paid into one, most of the time you did not pay into the other. Oddly enough, here I paid into both, but cashed out the pension account when I left the University ... stupid reasons, but canceled out the pension completely. Survivor benefits should be paid to the survivor regardless. People who have never paid into SS, well, if they have a pension paying out, then that needs to be taken into account ... because yes, SSI and SSD do not require that one paid into the system to benefit.
It's really tangled.
I worked for 30 years in the public sector and receive a pension, but I have also worked a second job and have 40 quarters in paying into Social Security. Even though I have paid SS taxes on my full income, I'm only going to collect 35% of what I should be getting. That is the same as being taxed on Social Security at a higher percentage. What's fair about that?
I knew this a long time ago, if you are in education, you pay into pension and do not get social security. If I thought I could double-dip I might have became a teacher...
So she didn't contribute to social security but she wants paid from it? How is that fair? I've been paying into it all of my working life.
Her husband paid into all his life. After he died, the widows benefit that is rightly hers (IMO) was denied because "she" didn't pay into it.
I think you don't understand the issues.
@@michaelmorris9546 Not rightly hers due to the rules she knew all along RE people on Govt pensions . How much is her 33 year pension ?? Where was that question ??
@@AAWGASHTADSright. Those who don’t get a government pension, just social security, paid into their pensions with our taxes. We can’t claim theirs either. That’s why they have the windfall elimination.
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. People getting S.S $$ when they haven't paid into it. It's INFURIATING. This is what depletes the funds for those who ACTUALLY DESERVE THEM.
Pay these people what they earned
Even if they never paid into social security?
@@matthewm9261 Absolutely not...
She wants her husband he’s dead. She shouldn’t get it. That’s the problem Social Security it should be for the person only not your spouse. That’s dead.
If they pay her what she earned, she gets nothing. That is the point. She did not pay in because she was part of an alternative program which she does get. She gets a state pension. Why should I, a person who paid into Social Security, pay for this person who did not?
I worked in public education but still paid social security. I receive both a pension and social security. But some states don’t do it that way. I know an administrator that receives a pension from Illinois but did not pay into social security while in that state. I’m surprised when people did their taxes they weren’t aware they hadnt paid into social security
My teacher retirements are completely free of social security.
However, I worked a lot of part time jobs over the years. Even having a second full time job for a little over a year, and I definitely paid into SS on those jobs. So should I at least get that money back?
The “windfall provision” calculates how much ss you get if you have a government pension + ss work. It can be a lot less than someone who made the same total amount of ss wages because the govt gives low wage workers a boost so they can survive. Like if you made $5k for 10 years you would get less ss than a person who made the same amount but doesn’t have a state pension.
Yes, you are going to get some social security, BUT it is “offset” by your pension-read that, subtracted from. Which means -0-
What you get, is the average income over 40 "quarters" of employment. How much you made during that time, is also taken into consideration. Your "teacher" pension should have helped you , because you belonged to a Teacher's Union, correct? You state you worked a "second full-time job for a little over a year", do you have your pay stubs to see how much you actually paid into S.S.? I guarantee, it wasn't as much as you think.
In my world, if you are denied Social Security at retirement age, then the answer is: YES!
If you work a minimum of 40 quarters, under SS . Then take a job with a pension, for 15 years , you get penalties of up to $ 587 per month. That is the WEP provision, So instead of $1000 SS and $1000 pension , you lose!
You end up with $323 social security and $1000 pension, and you paid into SS !
Now reverse it 15 years as a city employee, why would you get a job paying into SS, with very little return ? You can’t opt out of SS, so you lose
money , vs a 20 year SS worker.
This seems very simple…if you and your employer are not paying 6.2% of your gross salary into Social Security then you don’t get Social Security benefits. If you and your employer were not contributing, then you don’t get money from the coffer you never added to.
You don’t get both. If she revoked her pension (that includes a full work history of not contributing 6.2% to SSA), then she could get survivor benefits from her deceased husband. Clearly, her pension must be more than that. PLEASE… give me the option of not having SSA take 6.2% of my gross, and let me invest that. But she took the extra salary and now wants SSA to give her money she never paid into… she’s a thief.
@@jeeperjeff70 The whole point is....they are denying her the widow's benefit from her deceased husband.
@@michaelmorris9546 Due to rules she knew all along . She's got a 33 year pension ( they won't tell us how much ) and she wants the SS $ too and that is NOT how it works
This isn't the situation for most people. Most are mid career changers who got their full 40 quarters and worked many years in SS covered field. Then when they switched, they are docked what their full SS benefits would have been,
We and our employer did pay in for a lot of cases. The other cases are for the spouses who paid in and then passed away. The survivor isn’t getting the survivor benefits.
We should all get our full social security!! Money went to illegals and wars!
The theft of our S.S. money, has been going on for years (since LBJ was in office). Government just takes what they want. Maybe we should file a class action suit against the Federal government for GRAND THEFT.
Imagine how your life would have been if you wouldn't have sat in a chair 24 hours a day watching fox fake news. You might not have so many people laughing at you.
@@clarkmacgowan5114I’m laughing at how dumb you are right now. 😂 And no, I don’t support trump.
Illegals don't qualify for social security benefits. Get educated
SHUT UP! Borrow $35 Trillion / Blow it ALL up = what?
I was a lifelong public school teacher. I had no idea this happens to teachers. I get my SS and a tiny pension, can't live off the both of them combined.
I'm curious if your W2 reflected whether you paid into SS or not. I would think it would say that each year if you paid into it. I would be pretty upset if I just didn't know that I paid into state funds and didn't know that meant I wasn't getting SS.
Exactly, your pay stub shows exactly what is with held. If cannot understand that, that is on you.
is it true for all teachers?
Never checked a paystub even . Wow
@@cyndimoring9389 You should check to see if your pension is tax exempt in your state. Every penny counts! You can go online to SS and view your work history. They will also give you an estimate of your benefits.
After my retirement from a government job, I worked for 15 years in private industry, but was still forced to pay into SS in the private sector. Well. if you are not going to give me the benefit, tell me again why the US GOVERNEMNT made me pay into it knowing full well I will not get the same benefits.
You get the same benefits, WEP makes sure you don't get the same welfare calculation that low wage workers received that have paid into Social Security for 30 or more years.
Maybe YOU should have asked some questions.
Because it is a SOCIAL program,,,,,,,,YOU contributed to good of ALL Americans like a good socialist.
@@WayneGreen-r6z Yeah, like tell the Government they can't take money out of your check. Why don't you try that and get back to us on how that worked out.
@@josephcalp1604I worked in payroll for my state and gave each new employee a sheet that explained their SS may be less working for the state. I worked many years contributing to SS prior to working 13 years for the state. I get $587 less per month because of this provision. So in simple terms if you and I contributed the same amount over the years to SS say you get $1500 per month I only get $913. I don’t see how that if fair. Yes I knew but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.
she’s 84 and works prime more and more ppl over 65 are working because everything is expensive .
😇
They did say nobody wants to work these jobs. Well here you go!
Inflation is no joke, we’re all doomed if things don’t improve soon.
I have a co-worker that is working past 65 for the additional benefits. I’m not taking that chance.
If you are a teacher in my state (and it sounds like her state) she didn't pay into Social Security! The State Teachers Union gives them a pension. They know this when they are a teacher. Idk about her husband's pension.
They said this in for vote now under Biden. Thank Joey!
If her husband received a pension from his employer (I think it's safe to assume he worked for a government entity), then he DOESN'T deserve S.S. benefits. Neither one of them deserve any S.S. funds. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
Agree on the first part, but don't know why that translates to her being denied her late husbands as spousal support. It seems she would keep her pension and no SS and get's his SS. Spousal support means the lesser check is given up for the larger one of a late spouse.
What if she had a job withholding SS before or after her teaching job? That is what the issue is about. That's her money.
I’m surprised people don’t know about this law it’s been around for a long time too me what really stinks it was supported by both parties and it doesn’t effect the private sector if you retire from Exxon you get your full pension and full social security payments how is that right 🙄
Because the goverment took it out of your check. With a promise it would be yours when you reached retirement age.
Besides the fact that employees paid for their own retirement, companies also contribute. As they should. But Republicans and big businesses want to get out of paying these benefits whenever they can. Amazon, Uber, Airbnb, name any new company that makes billions and you’ll find a company that pays no benefits.
I don’t understand why this story is saying this widow’s situation is unfair. I have paid into social security all my working life, not a pension. Hopefully, it is still solvent when I retire, and I can collect a fraction of what I’ve paid into it. I do not expect payment from any pension because I didn’t pay into one.
Further, if my spouse passes, I can only collect either my own or his, whichever is greater, but social security does not allow you to collect both.
But how much does she get from the other pension, the one she did pay into, which lowered her taxes, etc. Interesting how that little question is unasked.
Looks like a nice house she lives in. Bet it's paid off too....
“Do not put your trust in humans.”
Psalm 146: 3,4
Trust nobody
I paid in my entire life. I want it when I’m ready
Senate just voted 73 in favor, 27 against..it passed 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I worked and paid into S.S. 10 years then got my local Government job with the private pension for 27 years. Then I worked another 10 years paying into S.S. On my request for my S.S. I was penalized by almost 50% from $1700 down to $800. Why? If the Senate doesn't pass this legislation by the end of the month we will have to start all over again next year. Its B.S.
It’s theft by our Government. The SS money belongs to we the people who has been paying into it. The government has been stealing from us, through SS and taxes. I pray that Donald Trump‘s administration will find this out, and make it right!
Trump‘s been putting together a really good administration team that I hope will find all the stealing going on and make them pay us back!
If you worked 30yrs paying into ssa, you could get both
call your US Senator. they have until this Friday to pass it! Senate goes on Christmas vacation after Friday!
30+ years for me in public and private sector jobs and they will hit me with WEP at 50%. I heard from a retired person Ronald Regan's administration was the biggest contributor of these S.S. policies. Yet he reaped full benefits with multiple government agencies. Hypocrite.
You only contributed for 20 years, and they calculate what you get by your 35 top earning years (that you contributed to SS). So you have 15 years of zeros that bring your average way down. That might explain it.
Why should she receive SS if she didn't pay into it?
We pay for social security and we’re being told it’s gonna go bankrupt or it’s gonna get eliminated. We pay for health insurance and 90 percent of our damn claims get denied. We pay for house insurance and the moment you put in a claim you get Pennie’s on the thousands of dollars you’ve paid. We pay taxes on everything! Property, goods, federal, state, gas, you name it we f’en pay it! We send billions of tax payer dollars in aid to everyone in the world! Maybe it’s time to cut all of our taxes by 70 percent and letting other countries fend for themselves us Americans are fed up we’re tired of paying for pples 💩.
It's a slush fund account.
@@BookJay35 I'm tired of the government pissing away billions on worthless causes and telling us, "SOL (Sorry, Out of Luck)." That 43M U.S. funded gas station in Afghanistan in 2017 made my jaw drop!
Foreign aid is a small percentage of the budget, certainly nowhere near 70% of our tax dollars.
If she didn’t pay INTO Social Security….Why should she be allowed to Withdraw money…????
Sorry…You made your own decisions and knew the consequences for Decades
Her husband paid in, she's entitled to his SS , survivors benefits. Senate agrees 73 senators voted to repeal WEP;/gpo🎉🎉
A woman who was a stay-at-home mom didn't pay in. Does that mean she should be left homeless on the street when her husband dies?
She should get her husband's as a widow benefit
@@cincygal4490 She is trying to collect her Teachers pension AND SS from her husband. She never paid into SS.
The media is NOT tell you 100% of the story. She damn well knew what the consequences were and yet she kept up with this financial decision.
I played by the rules. I learned the rules. I now collect my Illinois SURS pension and my full social security. I just made sure I worked enough time in social security covered jobs. Too many State employees have not paid attention. This law only hurts if you want something for nothing.
Here. Here..... voice of reason. (Don't expect any of the greedy seniors to listen however.)
Wait, where's the pension or other benefits they should be getting? Why do we need to pay for people that did not contribute?
These are people that contributed by working as a teacher and working other part time jobs.
They DID contribute . Duh.
We did contribute. You can work a job that has a pension and another that contributes to SS. Which I did and have my 40 quarters.
This affects people who worked a private sector job and a public sector job. They contributed to SS and state pension plans.
Exactly.
So she's already getting a pension and never paid into soc security? She shouldn't get soc sec then. She has no right to it. Not the publics fault she squandered her money and never saved. Hell I wish I could go the majority of my life without paying into soc security!
She was looking to collect social security from her husband passing away. Death benefits or widows benefits.
Or getting that nice pension. Not all of us had that opportunity, besides the fact that I would NEVER work for ANY government entity, knowing that I would get money from a taxpayer-funded pension. THAT is so wrong in so many ways.
If you paid in you should get benefits. If you havn't paid in then you shouldn't be getting benefits. If you have another retirement plan and you paid social security taxes you should get your full benefit. Nobody should have to pay taxes on Social Security benefits.
Biden voted for taxing SS benefits when he was a congressman, he was very proud of it at the time. He was the major instigator of that bill. He claimed seniors were getting rich off SS. 🙄
Not if that job had a pension plan.
Anybody that pays into Social Security should receive it but if you didn’t pay into it then why should you get it? I’m kind of confused. My husband and I both have Social Security if he dies, I cannot collect his Social Security. I can only collect mine, the higher of the two. So I would go down to just one Social Security income a month. I would just receive mine which I paid into for the 45 years that I worked. So I don’t understand why this woman who worked as a teacher and paid into a pension which she receives but did not pay into Social Security should receive her husband Social Security, when many spouses that both paid into Social Security cannot collect their deceased spouses Social Security.
If you haven't paid into social security you should not get paid from it.
AMEN
This isn't about that. This is about paying into it, and not receving the full promised amount.
I paid into Social Security at a second job and have 40 quarters in but am only going to get 35% of what I should be getting.
So its a "" double dip"" bill then?
Correct, even if she worked in the private sector and paid into SS, she is only entitled to the higher benefit.
@@drakonas00 Sorry, that's not what we signed up for. WEP/GPO are rules that were put into place after most everyone had their quarters paid. This amounts to theft.
I'm puzzled that her public school principal s pension isn't enough to to keep her from needing to work as a cashier. There's a lot missing from this story.
They didn’t pay into the system!
Yes they did. People pay into SS before and after government pensions, otherwise they wouldn't. It's their money.
If this is how this broken system treats its elderly can you imagine when it is our time to collect??
I'm in my 40s and I've been putting into the system for 25 years right out of high school. This is disturbing to say the least.
My mom went through this same exact thing. My dad died years ago and she could not collect his social security because she was a teacher in Texas and on the teacher retirement system. Make it make sense.
Tell us the rest of the story - how much is your mom's pension alone? Because that was paid for BY THE PUBLIC; those of us working in the private sector pay into the SS system out of our own pockets.
They didn’t pay into it . They have their own system. They know this when they got there jobs .
WINFALL my arse. It is punitive.
Brought to you by Ronald Reagan and the Republican party.
Sheesh, that scares me that my own owed social security money will not be available when I'm finally due in the next few years.
BLAME THE GOVERMENT. Our monies were STOLEN from us starting with LBJ...the worst thief of all.
It's easy enough to call SS and ask them what your benefit would look like at this point.
@@signalfire6 Oh I know how to log in to my SS account and see the prospective funds. It's worrying me that if there's this big backpay that there won't be much around later. I was hoping to wait til I'm 70 (just 7 years from now) to make my claim and get the most per month.
Social Security was never intended to be what you lived off but as a supplement to your retirement. I think more people are not taught financial wisdom and when they get old it really bites them. I have taught all my children the benefits of having other forms of income in their retirement years like IRA's, 401K's if offered, stocks and mutual funds and asset ownership. My son told me just today that his oldest son bought his first stock... Nintendo. Schools do such a disservice by not having financial education as part of the curriculum.
I owned a small business and paid the full SS amount. Like 12.4% plus my FICA. What do I get extra, surely no pension. I worked more hours than most. I had no buffer from when things went south like some have by working for someone else. I’m just joking. AllI want is what the Good Lord gives me. Nothing more, nothing less. My greatest joy is being able to bless others with my blessings. I’m happy
Those had not been paid into social security, shouldn't receive Social security. Those government retirees collect more generous pension than other federal employees.
and you know that for sure do you.
@@paulrobilotti9294 Do your own damn homework, that's what the internet is for. But don't use Google, it's an arm of the Demoncratic party. So is UA-cam.
I wish they would only give the money to the people that paid into it. It’s not my job to fund Government workers or anybody else.
They are not giving it away to people that never paid into it. They are penalizing people who did both SS and pension payments.
What a ridiculous spin. SS was not withheld. Enjoy your pension.
She is not allowed to collect on her husband’s SS. If she stayed home or worked a regular job she would be eligible to draw 1/2 of her husband’s SS.
@@josephknaak9034 If she stayed home or worked a regular job she wouldn't have a pension, like >90% of us don't. Maybe the news should do a story on the rest of us being shut out of the pension plans we didn't contribute to, eh?
I worked as a teacher. I paid into pension programs and social security. Why would these people get both if they only paid into one? Of course some should claim off their spouse's record for SS.
If they're entitled to Social Security even though they never contributed to it, then I'm entitled to their state pension funds.
You misunderstand what is happening. These people, including me, PAID into Social Security AND we had pensions through teaching or public sector work. The amount we PAID into Social Security was unfairly cut back because we had another pension. What if you had another pension and ALSO paid into Social Security and the Government told YOU that because you had another pension, the amount you were supposed to get based on what you paid into the system would be reduced just because you also had another pension?
Wow…your logic is ridiculous
She is trying to get her husband's social security.
@@ndks2207Not ridiculous……the logic is absolutely correct
From looking at the comments, I don't think some people understand, that some of us did pay into social security, I paid into it for 35 years, but because I took a civil service job, and will draw a civil service pension, I can only draw 55 percent of SS...no double dipping about it...
The money that i've been paying in since I was 16 is not going to be there when i retire in 11 years. I dont feel for her at all.
There Still should be a class action lawsuit against Social Security and the Government Plus Certain people in leadership. . Because these Crooks don't want people to live long enough to get these benefits 😠
They contributed to State Pension Programs, not Social Security. Why should they get monies from a program they were not a part of?
raise the limit on the social security maximum taxable income; that would go a long way to fixing the problem.
How so?
Maybe the question should’ve been how much of a pension are you getting from being a teacher?
YET citizens don’t know that immigrants coming over and sponsoring their parents to come over and signed a contract to support them financially. YET those parents that come over qualify to get social security even though they didn’t work or pay into the system. How is that fair?! And what happened to the sponsorship agreement they signed to provide for their parents?! That is what is draining the system.
Those parents do not get a penny since they did not work for 40 quarters. You mixed up with welfare.
Keep voting Democratic Party, Retirement and Benefits for all! All... as in the whole world gets to bankrupt us.
@@yufailaw2491 I know parents who have received benefits even though they never worked.
@@getlost3346 Who says I voted for Dems it is a fallacy all CA just vote for Dems!? There are some of us who don’t and although I don’t always go necessarily by party lines, it is the best candidate I believe in will be best for the state or the nation. CA politicians have sold us out and done more harm than good. Same with the national politicians really of both parties- they are for the elite and sold us out. I know Trump is not perfect and has his flaws, but I believe he is definitely better than Biden or Harris especially think for our nation and economy. He will try to do his best bc simply he has a big ego and last term and I think he wants to go down as the best president in history. I hope he does and I like he went to work the very next day! I feel he did more already than the outgoing administration and he has a super team behind him! At least he gives us hope!
Most of our family is team Biden and against us like more than any other election! Like crazy- they think we are the crazy ones- we think we were the ones with common sense! We used to agree to disagree but accepted the results, now reactions are looney! Like did you see women shaving their heads and refusing sex with their husbands?! Like what- ruin your marriage and life for an election?! Let’s get back to fixing this country and getting away from nonsense and craziness on both parties or we will destroy ourselves. We don’t need to worry about other nations, we will implode on our own! And make ourselves vulnerable by being weakened.
Your vote count.
Ukraine money was a laundry operation.
Bibi got a nice check
Absolutely.
Teachers have a CHOICE. They can chose not to do S.S. or pay into it.
They didn’t pay into it. They got some cushy govt pension and want social security too. But they didn’t pay into social security when working for the government
Yes you do. I was in the military with plans to retire and FICA was deducted from my pay every month. I ended up leaving before retirement, but if I had retired my retirement pay would have been reduced dollar for dollar by the amount I received from SSI. Tell me how fair THAT is.
@ either way. You only get one. See if you paid for SSA. But you get a “free pension “. Ok free isn’t right but you didn’t break bread for it. So it’s a one
Or the other thing. Sorry.
I agree you oughta get more. But so should everyone.
Well once Elon Musk determines who will or won't deserve Social Security and Medicaid everything will be better. Hail God-Emperor Trump.
Imagine some elderly person doing the same thing they did to the healthcare ceo because they can no longer afford to live in their home. Might as well be in prison where you get free food and shelter.
Most state and federal employees do not pay social security tax. Instead they pay towards their pension or retirement funds. I don’t see why one should receive one if that someone didn’t contribute to begin with.
Because they paid into SS too, after 40 quarters of paying into it.. Civil Service and civilian jobs
Many people don't work 40 years at just one job.
If you didn't pay into SS, why do you feel the right to receive SS?
They had other careers where they DID pay into it, and that money is owed back to them.
I worked a second job where I paid into Social Security in addition to my public employee job.
The story is clipped to try and say she should be getting $2500 a month from SS. No, what they are trying to say is she should be allowed to receive survivor benefits which would be half of what her spouse received, which is probably more like $1500 maybe if that! Its not totally clear the truth of the story. I think possibly at the end she is saying she would have been better of with the SS system. Unclear. News just trying to stir the pot.
Because I worked a part-time job in Missouri, while I was teaching..My Social Security was reduced by 50%...At 70 I still have to work to make up for the shortfall..
My mom is 72 in Missouri and she still has to work also, so sad
Do you still get your pension too? Many people on just social security have to work too to make ends meet.
If you're getting a pension from your government job, then you have no right to complain. You can't double-dip.
I dont get it, how can people be upset they never paid in, get a pension and still want to claim SS?
Normally if a spouse dies the living spouse is entitled to the benefits that pay the most. The SS funds should be OK since they started taxing it "double" in the 1980s, but congress keeps draining the fund for other projects. Shalom
She said she would've got $2,500 from social security!
Her husband must've got $50,000 as she would've been eligiblefor half of his.
I wish I could've got that!
That's why they have a pension fund for working her job.
Her husband should've had a retirement fund as well. And their house should've been paid off by then as well.
I would've thought that she would've got servivle benefits at least, if her husband was paying into Social security.
Even if the house is paid off, the taxes now are like a house payment decades ago.
Social Security DOES NOT pay a continuing "survivor" benefit. It's a one-time payment ONLY.
@@SewingBoxDesigns Such is life. Owning a home has it's good, and bad, parts.
As a widow you get the full amount if it's more than your own. You do not get both. If that Lady had not worked at all she would receive her husband's SS.
Social Security said I was over paid and stopped payments for 6 months ....which lead me into bankruptcy......
Sadly for real. Make no senses to me
Especially her being a teacher. They get all kinds of free or low cost perks thanks to the Union. One of them is financial advice.
Why didn't these people know the Social Security rules during their working lives, and plan accordingly? And how much are they getting from the government public pensions into which they paid instead of Social Security into which they did not pay? I am confused.
She's in her 80s, likely her husband was also. If he retired at 67ish, that was many years of two people receiving generous pensions. Should have a paid for house and lots of savings by now.
Standard Operating Procedures : Welcome to Project 2025 - Where "denials" will be a common occurrence...
I hope they actually implement project 2025, even though I know they won't.
@nunyuhbusiness9016
It's a bit like Puritan New England, or Cromwell 's dictatorship, but looking at the Biden admin, I think I could handle it. 😑
@nunyuhbusiness9016 you hope that they implement it because you don't know what it says. Maybe if you had ever learned to read or perhaps if you hadn't dropped out of school in the 7th grade, you wouldn't be saying such silly childish things.
@@clarkmacgowan5114 I do know what it says, and I still hope they implement it.
I worked 30 years before health issues forced me to quit. Those issues include a heart attack, getting hit by a car while riding my bike which permanently damaged my left foot. I broke my right foot in several places, and suffer from severe PTSD with flashbacks daily. I went till I couldn't go anymore. There's no way possible I could return to work.
Sounds like an excuse to be a burden on society
Wow how sad
This is potentially great news if Congress is able to pass this. There have been costs for this to be overturned for decades. I know my clients will be thrilled.
Your "clients"? Are you an attorney? If so, how much will you be getting out of this? Maybe you work for an investment firm...that doesn't make you a better person than a lawyer. IF you own a business, how many employees do you have?
@@WayneGreen-r6z Actually I'm a retired Social Security Claims Specialist now working as a Social Security Benefit Advisor.
This is nonsense. These state pensions in which employees DO NOT contribute to Social Security usually provide VERY generous benefits to compensate for that. It’s not uncommon for them to receive pension benefits equal to their full salary, plus they receive automatic cost of living increases every year for life. I have a municipal pension, but we DID contribute to Social Security, and thus will receive SS benefits, but offsetting that is the fact that our pension pays only a portion of our highest average salary and there are NO cost of living increases, EVER.
The state pension recipients are receiving very generous pension benefits, equal to what they would have received from a less lavish pension with SS benefits added, so they have nothing to complain about. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too by receiving a higher pension benefit to compensate for having no SS benefit, but then they still want the SS benefit on top of that, even though they never paid a single penny into SS.
If they wanted even more money for retirement they should have invested all of that money they got to keep, that the rest of us had to pay into SS every month. Quite frankly, they’re being greedy.
Most government pensions are not the "golden parachute" you think they are. If so then she would not be 84 years old and working on her feet all day as a cashier. A former public school teacher and principal, just so sad because she cannot collect survivor benefits. She should be able to collect them.
Tax the rich by raising the cap! Easy fix!
I thought state employees got the equivalent of SS...but it seems unfair to block their spousal benefits if their spouse paid in.
Unless they weren't married the required 10 years. 🤔
Ever heard of a pension? Federal AND state employees get a pension, thanks to their "union" (there should be NO union for government employees, they should have to negotiate with the people who actually pay them...We The People).
@WayneGreen-r6z you're so jealous that you're not smart enough to have a state or or any government job. Your jealousy is embarrassing and dangerous.
So do I get part of their state pension? Yet they get paid out of a system THEY didn’t pay into. Insanity.
I worked as a secretary for a school department for 30 years. I did not pay into social security during that time. I now receive a city pension. I'm not complaining. My husband gets social security and I will not receive any benefits from that if he dies before I do. We did not spend big and saved instead. We are enjoying our retirement years. Everyone can do this, just plan ahead.
Public sector unions can’t have it both ways
Especially if the job is a government job. There should be NO public sector unions negotiating raises for public government employees. They should have to negotiate with the REAL employers...TAXPAYERS, on a job performance basis.
What I hate is the forever penalty for choosing insurance at the wrong time of year when signing up for Social Security.
They did pay into Social Security, or in this case, her husband paid into Social Security, and she should receive Window Benefits. The government stole this money and now it is time to give it back. My husband worked 2 jobs; the job he paid into Social Security is what he is being penalized for because he has a pension. He paid into Social Security in his second job and deserves his social security benefit just like everyone else who paid into the system. His pension has nothing to do with the second job he worked.
That's called "double-dipping", and it SHOULD be illegal. NO ONE getting a pension (especially a government one), should be able to collect social security too...NO ONE. Social Security isn't meant to match a pension, you should have invested your money more wisely.
HUH i didn't have SS TAXES DEDUCTED FROM MY CHECK 😢 now im denied SS should have saved money that wasn't taxes don't feel sorry about it you had to heard others talking about retirement and not getting it
What it comes down to is that if you do not contribute to the social security system you don't get any $$$ money out of it.
If she was in the government for her job and didn't pay in to social security, then she's only due her pension; why do people expect social security, if they didn't pay in?!
Why does SS give SSI to illegal alien seniors? That's needs to stop.
Teacher gets a pension more then most people get. If they did not put into they should not get it.
So, let’s say you are a retired teacher, with a state pension, and you die. Your wife, who’s worked as a grocery clerk for 15 years and can collect maybe 400/month of social security (based solely on her wages)-that’s all she will get to live on. Because the social security you paid into when you moonlighted as a security guard at that grocery store doesn’t count. Puts a different light on your comment😢
Many teachers have worked in other careers and paid into it for 10+ years, either before or after teaching. So they are owed that money.
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No I stand by what I stated
@@customer5032 Thank you, that would be me!
exactly why didn't say how much pension monthly she gets. Only said how much social security she missing.