A classic story in racing. A car becomes too dominant, so the rules are altered to crush it. Look at what happened to the Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Superbird. The same story.
@@fakhirshah Where was the hate in my comment? You're on a video complaining about rules changes in F1 like that hasn't been part and parcel of its entire history. You must be a teen or only started watching when Hamilton started winning.
@@PK-xu7gu literally the reason why they changed 2021 regs was to cut down on the advantage merc had on the rest of the field, hence allowing one of the greatest WDC battles in recent history. They also changed regs in 2022 to reduce dirty air AND shake up the field a little (which is just “take out the top dog team” in prettier words in a lot of aspects). Happens all the time to the top team in F1. Red Bull is next. It’s nothing to do with Lewis or his fans, it’s the nature of the sport. One team race? Change the rules.
In the Motorsport world changing the rules is the norm now. idk about then but for example in f1 they change every 4-5 years and they have dominances like ford did.
I think it made better for Shelby doing it. As he was risking lots of things and was actually direct line with ford. Outside of Shelby and his team, nobody seemed to want miles there
True but imagine how dangerous it would have been if all the manufacturers would have made wing cars and you had a 40 car field of 1970s safety tech doing 212 MPH at Daytona and Talladega. Plus I think some of the smaller manufacturers couldn't afford to compete or build a car like that. So yeah it did suck NASCAR did that but I think a genuine case can be made that it was in the best interest of NASCAR for safety and for good competition. Many racing series in history died out and we're cancelled because one company made a car so dominate that the others couldn't compete and thus causing them do stop attempting to compete in that series. So NASCAR doing that may have saved itself from a early death.
@@davesstillherethey did the same thing with the Chevrolet mystery 427 it totally dominated for about a year iirc and then they changed the rules. It was for the best though the mark IV that came out to replace the W series is a much better design anyway.
I think they were worried about the speeds being too high for the poor aerodynamic understanding at the time. Ford struggled big time to resolve aerodynamics issues with the GT40 and that was with a massive R and D budget. Poor Ken Miles lost his life because of aero issues I believe and there were other near misses. If you had more inexperienced teams running 200mph cars there was a risk there would be more big crashes.
This is hugely incorrect. The real reason they stopped winning is because they stopped entering. 1969 was the last year they entered the GT40, and they won it. The GT40 won even after the rule changes that limited the engine sizes, and were implemented by the FIA after the 1967 race. The '68 and' 69 wins were done with 4.9L engines, instead of the original 7.0L engines. The rule changes also had nothing to do with Ford winning. It was because of the speeds which Ford was achieving, as the FIA were worried that such speeds would cause a repeat of the 1955 Le Mans disaster where 82 people died, and another 121 were injured.
I hope you're not suggesting that a GT40 would have won against the 917s in 1970 - that's just delusional. 1969 was tough enough, beating the 908 by 100m or so.
@@thosdot6497 Porsche really build a juggernaut in the 917. If Ford put their will and mind into it, they could have competed with the 917. But Ford had ended their endurance, Having won 4 years in a row.
@@chrisdaigle5410 - Ford could have easily competed with Porsche - they took a few years to build momentum and then they crushed Ferrari (some luck and rule-changes notwithstanding). But they couldn't have done it with the GT40, which is the point I was making - as a platform, it dated back to 1964 (or even earlier if you take the ancestral Lola GT); it was barely competitive against the 3 litre Group 6 prototypes, and didn't have a chance against the purpose built Group 4 cars like the 917 and later, 512
The 68 and 69 were not won by Ford. It was a gulf mirage. Run by JWA. It was a much modified gt 40 chassis and not entered as a Ford. Even more remarkable the same chassis won twice.
@@thosdot6497: and to prove the point Ford( read it First On Race Day), they came back 50 years later to do it again. ❤ “ Ford's Le Mans history notably includes the Ford GT40, which took on - and took down - previously vaunted European competitors for four consecutive years in the late 1960s. Then, in 2016 - 50 years after the GT40 first won - a reborn Ford GT took to the top step of the podium in the LMGTE Pro category. “
Porsche's 5 liter flat 12 blew by the Ford 427's. The 917's reaching 246 MPH on the Mulsanne straight, is what essentially eventually restricted the engines in the WEC type series to about 3L. When even that didn't work, they had to install chicanes in that straight
Also same thing when Dodge Charger Daytona & Plymouth Roadrunner SuperBird were not allow to race because with had 425HP & it made it to 200 miles and it was unbeatable from 1969 & 1970.
@@NIKOJEFE same thing with the Ford Torino Talladega 428 cobra jet which brought Richard petty over to ford from Mopar and them the big wings brought him back and then they were banned, etc.
LeMans has always changed rules. After Jaguar won in 1951, 53, 55, 56 & 57 they changed the rules in the early 60's as jaguar had developed the V12 XJ13 which would have blown Ferrari out of the water. But engine sizes were limited to prevent this
This is common in sports car racing, it's not because they were American... Look at the 917 and subsequent Porsches. Or changing the rules because of the 962, or CANAM or changing the rules so Audi couldn't win again.
BS The rule about engine size was before GT40 defeat. In 1968 and 1969 the GT40 was a 5 liters Sports Car while prototypes were only 3 liters. The Ferrari P4 wasn't allowed to race as a prototype because it was 4 liters and neither as a Sports Car because of cars produced. So it's quite the opposite. GT40 stops winning when Ford stopped its developement.
Ford felt that they had accomplished what they had wanted; to embarrass Enzo. Then Porsche took over with the 917, then Matra as well put the nails in the Ferrari Le Man's coffin.
USA did the same thing when audi started owning in trans am with a 2.8l turbo v8 and Quatro. They won podiums in almost every race they finished then iirc were banned through rule changes after either their debut season or the next. Usually with 1,2 finishes as long as the drivers (who didn't much like each other) both finished.
They do this in every motor sport; NASCAR did this also…they stacked the deck for the Daytona and Superbird. I don’t think it had really anything to do with the fact that it was an American team
Couple of things to add here: 1) Ferrari was at the 24 hours of Daytona, setting the stage for the showdown at LeMans, and Ferrari lost there as well. I don't know why they left that out because it would have raised the stakes given the audience a glimmer of hope that they in fact had a chance after all since they were painting Ferrari as "unbeatable" AND Shelby American having to fight off the other GT40 Team, Holman-Moody which was present in the film 2) They mentioned the 12 hours of Sebring, but it wasn't in the movie for whatever reason, Ken Miles won that one as well. Anyone who's played Forza can tell you that final turn will make or break your lead and the race 3) With capping the displacement to 3.0L for the 1970 race, there was a clause that if you could build 25 road going versions of your car they'd raise it to 5.0L. Porsche was the only one that did this and for the 1971 race and absolutely demolished everyone and set the stage for Porsche to have the most wins of any automaker in LeMans history
My friend does this. He starts a kill contest in Call of Duty then start changing up rules when he falls behind. Nobody else even agreed to any of it. He's on top he let's the world know. Quietly drops it if he loses and his rule changes don't work. Keep in mind Nobody else is for this contest. It's all him every single time. Shit is wild.
Yes but in the case of motorsport, this was incredibly beneficial for the world of it, it forces exploration of other ideas that wouldn't have been looked into otherwise. Motorsport engineering is the forefront
To be honest the rules for Le Mans are continuosly changing and many of those are controversial. If any of you would have partecipated to any of the Le Mans 24hrs as I did , would know. The rules changed also for the 1968 killing the Ferrari 330P4 , which was a restyle of the beaten Ferrari in this case , and finished second in 1967 and won the title. And it also basically closed the official partecipation of Ferrari into Le Mans and then into the Sport Car Championship, at the time called Prototypes which culminated in the title won by Matra in 1973 , because the rules makers decided to pick the 7 best results over the season and not the full point scoring, and Matra which deservelly won 5 races against 2 of Ferrari and Porsche , grabbed the title even if Ferrari totalized a lot more points. It is debatable, because up to that day to win the championship you just had to collect more points ,and in fact Ferrari decided in 1973 to abandon the Sport Championship to concentrate in F1 only. It is to be said as well that Ford was the first one to pour as much money as possible in order to create a car to beat Ferrari, basically opening to what it came later and today totally out of control spending in every level of competition to be winners, football and NBA on top them all. And Mr Ferrari refused the agreement with Ford for not losing control of the Racing Department, and I feel that just right. Then for whatever regards story of ruling alone, since there is motorsport there are rules breaking, as the idea is to go as much closer as possible to the rules limit and sometime it gets passed even not deliberately. Most of the time are, and just in the last 40 years of F1 we had the Brabham BMW case with illegal fuel which won two titles, The Brabham-Alfa with the famous fan, The Tyrell case disqualified for a year with bottle of oxygen in the motor, the McLaren Honda with the turbo pop off valve, The BAR Honda with the second nourice in the fuel tank, The Ferrari traction control tested in 1994, when many other teams already used it, the famous Brawn diffuser, the fuel sensor reading of Ferrari lately, the scandalous handling of the rules changes in 2014 where Mercedes knew in advance the motorization to be used well before everyone else and developing the motor which dominated 6 years to follow, the Benetton saga on fuel rig and so on..... And we can continue on Rally WRC, where rules changes were made to allow some constructor to come in and win, and the rules breaking were ordinary at every rally for years.
Ferrari thought they had corralled Ford, but Porsche took the new rules and rebuilt the 908 into that absolute monster that was the 917, a car that effectively shut out Ferrari for many years after.
By changing the engine displacement rules it ruled out the US auto makers because their sole way of getting horsepower was by using large displacement V8's still using push rods and 2 valve per cylinder heads. The European makers built vastly more sophisticated engines of smaller displacement that made a Ford V8 look like a boat anchor. I love big US V8's but from a technological point of view, they aren't that interesting. They were originally designed to be cheap mass market powerplants in a country with cheap fuel.
Had nothing to do with the 787B, Group C as an overall thing was getting too successful vs F1, so Ecclestone got the top class C1 to adopt the 3.5L F1 engine formula, then went for shorter races and so on. At some point manufacturers projected that they'd spend more on Group C than just going into F1, so they quit. With no manufacturers and teams, Group C died off. 787B Was reliable, but it wasn't that fast. Compare the Sauber C11, which with Michael Schumacher at the wheel broke the lap record in the same race multiple times through the night stint, a lap time Mazda couldn't hope to achieve
Actually the rule change was slated for the next year regardless. Mazda just got really lucky. I'm not trying to take away anything from the 787b or Mazdaspeed though. What they achieved was incredible.
What is that supposed to mean. There should be natural rotation of winners, always. It's like saying usain bolt is too tall so he can't run so that winners are rotated. Whatever people think races are for, bit for me its always the car and the driver's skills. Same goes for any competitive sports. You wanna win? Win it with skill and engineering not some lame as$ technical stuff.
@@shivanshsingh8173 well thats in an ideal world. but we don’t live in one of those. shits political, you don’t get entries for races if only 1 person is allowed the formula to win
@@nxthxniel7348 that might be the case, and I don't disagree with that but isn't it doing wrong to the person who put immense effort. I am talking specifically for ken miles there could have been so many things to break ties like the time you stayed in lead or number of cars overtaken or something else but they still chose the only one which made him lose. A sport event that fails to acknowledge the best, imo, isn't credible to rank them in the first place.
@@shivanshsingh8173 I definitely don’t disagree. It’s all political as I said and they’ve got to satisfy everyone unlike other sports that are more equal inherently
@@nxthxniel7348 yes, it is political and all of it is disappointing. At any rate it is really sad and disheartening to know that ken miles didn't live to race another le mans.
For all the Americans thinking the GT40 is American.... actually... only the Mk4 was designed and made completely in the US, the GT40 is based on Lola Mk6, a British car, in fact the GT40 Mk1, 2 and 3 were designed and manufactured in the UK with a British team, also the first GT40 was unveiled in England, only the engine came from the US, so they actually banned a European car.
@@PringlesCan-y7m Thanks, but I saw it in a cinema when the film was launched. I know the history, the true history, my father worked on the project for Ford. Now if you could get a load of Americans on here to watch the movie that would be handy 👍
The chassis was built by Holman Moody and Kar Kraft did the bodies. The original Mark 1 car was Lola. All of the race versions had Holman Moody manufacturer's plates.
@@buckhorncortez I was talking about development of the "GT40" and production of the road going "GT40", not the later race series, as well documented: "The first chassis built by Abbey Panels of Coventry (UK) was delivered on 16 March 1964, with fibreglass mouldings produced by Fibre Glass Engineering Ltd of Farnham (UK). The first "Ford GT" the GT/101 was unveiled in England on 1 April and soon after exhibited in New York. Purchase price of the completed car for competition use was £5,200". Production is listed official as: United Kingdom: Slough (Mk I, Mk II, and Mk III) United States: Los Angeles (Mk I & Mk II Modifications) and Wixom, Michigan (Wixom Assembly Plant) (Mk IV).
I don't care about cars so much, but the fact they developed a technology that could out pace, out last, the statuesque, with the world laughing. That's a damn good story. A damn dood movie as well
Not strictly an American vs Europe problem. They did it to the Porsche 917 that dominated in 70 & 71, and many more times throughout the history of LeMans when a car becomes too dominate
This is actually incorrect. FIA changed the rules to smaller engine sizes in 1971. The GT40 stopped winning with the introduction of the Porsche 917in 1969, which won all endurance race but one in 1970 and all but 3 in 1971. It would have won Le Mans already in 1969 if it hadn’t reliability issues that year. When the last 917 dropped out of the race it had a 50 miles lead over the next car. The 917 turbo charged B12 cars also dominated the 72/73 CanAm series so much that they changed the rules there too. At it’s peak that B12 engine produced up to 1500 HP. The car is until today holding track records in Le Mans and other race tracks it performed.😎
Not quite the whole story..they won the next 3, not 4 (67,68,69).development on bleeding edge variants like the GT40 mkIV stopped as Ford started pulling back from racing and the engine displacement rules eliminating 7 liter (427 CI) engines after 67. The 68 and 69 races were one by John Wyer's highly refined lightweight MK I, specifically p1075, with the 5 liter Gurney Weslake version of the small block ford. Ford chose not to adapt the MK IV to a 5 liter engine which was still allowed to run into the 70s. The Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512 were both 5 liter cars. Limited "production" cars were allowed up to 5 liters, specifically to allow all the owners of MK Is and Lola T70s to race.
The same thing happened with the Audi cars that ran on diesel. They didn't have to stop to refuel as often. And over 24hours those stops counted. I think they ruled that the diesel cars may only carry x ampunt of fuel.
Actually the rules changed after the 1967 win and limited the cars to 5 liters, which meant that the race-winning Mark II (1966) and Mark IV (1967) with the 7 liter engine was instantly ineligible to compete the following year. Ford decided it had proven all it had set out to prove and so they packed up and left for good. So the GT40’s that won in ‘68 and ‘69 were actually obsolete Mark I’s with the small block V8 that were fielded by privateers without Ford factory support. By 1968 the cars were considered under-powered, and though very fast back in the day, they actually never placed well in the race even when they were new. So they were given no odds to be competitive, much less win. But by now the GT40’s were fully developed, and the team that fielded the cars was very experienced and very well managed. They knew how to prepare a car and run a race. Still, it was a tremendous upset that they won in ‘68, much less again in ‘69 with the very same chassis #! They had truly wrung out every last ounce of potential from the design, holding off and denying Porsche their long-sought first victory by winning the last race by the closest margin in Le Mans history up to that time.
What the movie also left out was Ferrari travelled to Daytona a year later and demolished the GT40 on American soil with a legendary all Ferrari 1-2-3 finish. Sweet retribution. Amazing tale of revenge.
For people who don’t watch Motorsport, this is how it has always been and continues to be to this day. It keeps the teams on their toes and helps to slow the cars down. If you had the same rules now as you had when the gt40 was active the cars would be far too fast and dangerous
It’s not ENTIRELY true, it was developed and built by Ford, Miles and Lola more accurately. The mkI, II and III were built by Lola. At least they had the courtesy to tell you where they were built in the film
The rule changes had nothing to do with the GT40 or Ford. The changes effect every single car, the rules have some changes made every single year, and nobody cared that GTs were winning. Le Mans could have easily just denied them entry or made a rule that you can't field 8+ cars, if they really had it out for the Ford.
Ever noticed how the original gt40s were right hand drive? Because the car was designed and built in Britain then shipped to the United States where it was then fine tuned and had the kinks worked out
The European teams were using smaller capacity engines. If say Ferrari had a 5 or 7 litre engine like Ford had, the GT40 would have been an also ran.🇮🇹
That’s not exactly what happened...and it wasn’t even American teams who won, they were British teams (Wyer). Moreover they should have changed the rules..Ford was running 5 and 7 liter motors against Ferrari’s 2.5 and 4 liter motors. Plunking in a giant motor isn’t improving design, which is the whole point of motor racing. Meanwhile the guys who really designed the GT40 (Lola) continued to do well with the Lola T70 variations although Porsche stepped in and wiped the floor with everybody with the 917’s at that point. Ford really had no shot after 1969, even with the Mk IV.
If you’re interested in this type of thing research the Australian Bathurst 1000 and Australian Touring Cars Championship history shows that they banned foreign cars bc they kept winning. A few years ago they allowed a few back in but limited. It was called V8 Super Cars which weren’t allowed available for public whereas in the past there were rules that they had to be available with production numbers being met. V8s raced together with all size motors and there were classes for each but they were all in same race
Bullshit. Ford won with two different cars and two different engines in those four years. The GT40 three times, and the J car. Engines were the 7.0 L and the 5.0 L. They won two more in the 70s as an engine supplier.
Reminds me of Schwarzenegger, the bodybuilder. His employers owned and controlled the major competitions. So they changed the rules to make it difficult for competitors to enter the competition. Some of Arnold's trophies - big ones, in fact - were won against ZERO competitors. But they are still counted as wins. The rule changes made Arnold win. Not his condition. He still looked amazing but so did the other guys...who were prevented from competing.
@Moe Perry Ford never had another duo quite like Shelby and miles so they were never able to be as groundbreaking and genius as though two were able to be.
This movie can't compare to the 1971 movie Le Mans staring Steve McQueen. It was actually filmed at the real race and McQueen was an actual race car driver as well as a great actor.
The GT 40 wasnt American. It was multi national designed by Brits and Americans, developed by Brits, Americans and New Zealanders….. same with the Cobra …. British American . The Europeans were Anglophobes rather than American haters
What was this rule change that was supposedly specifically aimed to ban the GT40? The GT40 began racing in 1964 and by 1969, five years later, the GT40 was at the end of its racing life and was regularly being outclassed by the newer smaller engined sports prototypes. Only five GT40’s were entered in the Le Mans 1969 race as opposed to sixteen Porsches and by the time of the race Porsche had already wrapped up the 1969 international Championship of Makes with seven wins in the series. The new 4.5 litre engined Porsche 917’s dominated the 1969 Le Mans race until 11 am on the Sunday when the leading car hit mechanical problems. The bigger 4.9 litre engined GT40 win by 120 metres in 1969 was very much against the odds. Another lap and it would have certainly been passed by the 3 litre engined Porsche 908. It was the most exciting and tightest finish in the history of Le Mans. Although I’m now an old man, I still well remember watching on the live tv the Porsche closing in on the Ford. Famously the 1969 winning car was the same car that had won in 1968 which is a mark of how any real development on the car had in effect already stopped. The GT40’s glorious Le Mans career came to an end in 1969 simply because better, newer cars had now come along and it was time to put the grand old lady into retirement. In fact the 1969 winner was nicknamed “The Old Lady”. For the 1970 race, the John Wyer team (that had won the 1968 and 1969 races) switched from Ford to Porsche. The GT40 could have competed at Le Mans after 1969 but didn’t. The two GT40’s entered in the 1970 Le Mans race did not arrive to compete. Similarly the single GT40 that was entered in the 1971 race did not arrive to compete.
@@yuritarted984 but it was the chassis that made the car so great not the engine. They still had plenty of issues with engine and gearbox. Not so much with chassis and suspension
The rule that changes was the prototype class minimum production was lowered, but the maximum displacement was also lowered to 3L while the touring class kept its 5L status. The GT40 mkII and mkIV are 7L and they won in 66 and 67 while the mkI is a 4L and it won in 68 and 69. So technically the rules it changed shouldn’t have mattered considering Ford had already won 2 le mans under the new rule change with 2 mkI gt40s in 68 and 69
That's bullshit. It's a race. Fastest car and best driver wins. There is no need to punish success unless there's an emotional angle. We want to see fast cars go fast
@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Racing is business and that business needs customers. A boring series with the same winner all the time does not attract customers. Other factors also are in play like safety and innovation. So no, not BS, it's reality.
Changing the rules is what happens in races. They changed rules in NASCAR and banned certain designs/modifications because it gave unfair advantages. Same thing with the Formula series.
You have zero idea about motor racing and Le Mans if you think this was because 'american bad'. Funny how if you actually did research you would find out that every other company was affected by this; in fact this change was long overdue, it goes to show that ford and american car manufactures could build big and powerfull but couldnt build compact and even more powerfull. Stop playing the victim and try harder.
Classic classic American behaviour, the rules applied to all, some adapted, some did not. The sign of success is adapting and continuing to win, not quitting and blaming rule changes.
A lasting victory was achieved when you managed to force them to change the rules just to win. It's like when me and my friends played tdm on private bf4 servers, and the server owner kept changing the rules, banning weapons we were successful with. We all gave up when he eventually disallowed the eod bot as well. We knew we had won when even this thing was too deadly for these people. They just wanted sniper rifles and mortars to be allowed in the end...
This is common in motorsports, lol. Every couple of years, the regulations change to try to stop a brand's dominance. Some competitions even outright add weight to cars based on how well they're riding on a particular track. Americans think the world is out to get them for how good they are.
We didn’t try to subvert a legitimate presidential election or storm the capitol beat down the police and threaten to kill lawmakers. We don’t get our news from crack pot conspiracy theorists and serial liars Today’s Republicans shame their party’s proud history and threaten to destroy freedom and the search for truth with each new fascist they elect
@@dennisstrahm4309 You stole a legitimate election from the American people staged a coup and went along with it like good little sheep. Your people in the alphabet agencies orchestrated the so-called "attack" on the Capitol and used it to imprison political prisoners holding them indefinitely without charges You get your news from George Soros and Klaus Schwab worshipers. Today's Republican party and the Democrats are one big uni party. There's a group of people that are patriots and then there are traitors. It is clear you are a traitor your time will come. The fact that you're accusing the people trying to put a stop to this of destroying freedom in the search for truth is laughable. Tell me which party it is that's trying to throw people in jail for what they say on social media and can't even decide what a woman is
@@RabidNemo As long as you and your like-minded fanatics insist on creating an alternate reality there will be no way for us to communicate meaningfully. If you ever come up for air we may be able to help you live among sane people once again
@@dennisstrahm4309 there are plenty of examples to give to support what the OC said, all you seemed to do is call him/her names with no examples of why the OC post was incorrect or false.
I think you should check the history properly. There are many facts totally wrong in the movie to start with, as for every movie trying to tell a real story, and the rule change is normal in racing championships to improve safety, shows, overtaking, costs and a lot more
Same thing happened with Tillamook cheese. The european competition excluded non-european cheese companies after they were obliterated year after year by the PNW.
"european competition" , "european cheese companies" ... you see the problem? What's a company from these USofA doing there? Do your own competition, on your own soil. But then calling something local the "World" is en vogue in these USofA. France alone has a variety of over 1000 cheese, many are only produce locally, no industrialized garbage.
Seems lie a familiar theme to me. I read about the Seiko company and how they opened two subsidiary factories and set them off against each other to make a better and better watch to equal the Swiss. Well, they did it. They ended up combining the best of both factories and put the resulting masterpiece into the competition in Switzerland. It won as it was by far the most accurate watch in the contest. The contest was then discontinued. Sore losers right enough.
Man knoe matter what we say about Americans, these guys dont like to loose. They will come back, win, adapt more and more, and then just dominate whether be it in anything.
As an American, that's annoying. But as a racing fan, that's exactly how the world works. If you win too much and things get boring, the regulators change the rules to make a new challenge for everyone. It spices up the results a bit more but we still see dominance. F1 has seen this. Audi can say the same about Le Mans in modern times.
people in the comments talking about the opposition changing the goalposts but it wasn't Ferrari changing the goalposts or any particular manufacturer. It was the ACO, who are French, if anything that's probably Renault-biased.
Nothing new really but i would say it is a good thing, if you allowed one team to dominate without any changes ,other teams would pull out of the championship or there would be arms race and oneday they found out nobody can afford to race anymore.
A classic story in racing. A car becomes too dominant, so the rules are altered to crush it. Look at what happened to the Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Superbird. The same story.
@@fakhirshah😂😂😂. Lulu fans are everywhere
@@fakhirshah Where was the hate in my comment? You're on a video complaining about rules changes in F1 like that hasn't been part and parcel of its entire history. You must be a teen or only started watching when Hamilton started winning.
Mazda 787b
@@PK-xu7gu literally the reason why they changed 2021 regs was to cut down on the advantage merc had on the rest of the field, hence allowing one of the greatest WDC battles in recent history. They also changed regs in 2022 to reduce dirty air AND shake up the field a little (which is just “take out the top dog team” in prettier words in a lot of aspects). Happens all the time to the top team in F1. Red Bull is next. It’s nothing to do with Lewis or his fans, it’s the nature of the sport. One team race? Change the rules.
Yup freakin panzies
They haven't won not until recently they had a GT40 with a V6
What? You mean the ford gt with a 4 cylinder?
@@beebwanon yeah I think that's what it was, i just thought it was odd that they didn't use a v8
@@nathansmith7645 NA V8s are unfortunately going out of fashion. At least the Mclaren Turbod V8 sounds good
@@beebwanon Do you know what a V6 even is?
A 6 cylinder engine.
@@beebwanon you mean the gt70 the British ford
If ya can't beat em, cheat em.
They’re called rules dummy
@@Stellar-Cowboy making the "rules" as you go along to benefit a desired outcome is called cheating genius. 😎👍
Just like they do in Dakar.
In the Motorsport world changing the rules is the norm now. idk about then but for example in f1 they change every 4-5 years and they have dominances like ford did.
Sounds like Las Vegas
Another thing was, it was Miles that drove Henry Ford II in the GT40 not Shelby.
I think it made better for Shelby doing it. As he was risking lots of things and was actually direct line with ford. Outside of Shelby and his team, nobody seemed to want miles there
Shelby taking Henry ford II for a spin never happened
@@philippburnett6045 Yes, a good plot twist.
@@thejoeschmoe7846but he was really taken for a ride...? Probably not as dramatic as it was in the movie
That made zero sense. Shelby would have a heart attack
It didn’t just screw the Americans though. Jaguar was working on a V12 car that never got to race (XJ13) and didn’t win another LeMans until the 80’s.
Nascar did the same thing to Mopar when they came out with the unbeatable Superbirds and Daytonas.
True but imagine how dangerous it would have been if all the manufacturers would have made wing cars and you had a 40 car field of 1970s safety tech doing 212 MPH at Daytona and Talladega. Plus I think some of the smaller manufacturers couldn't afford to compete or build a car like that. So yeah it did suck NASCAR did that but I think a genuine case can be made that it was in the best interest of NASCAR for safety and for good competition. Many racing series in history died out and we're cancelled because one company made a car so dominate that the others couldn't compete and thus causing them do stop attempting to compete in that series. So NASCAR doing that may have saved itself from a early death.
NASCAR didn't care too much for the Ford 427 Cammer either. Changed rules to exclude that engine also
@@davesstillherethey did the same thing with the Chevrolet mystery 427 it totally dominated for about a year iirc and then they changed the rules. It was for the best though the mark IV that came out to replace the W series is a much better design anyway.
Chevy had big blocks as ford. they didn't have the super bird with hemi
@@robertghorne8607 No shit
And by the way, I forgot that in 1968 the rules changed also for Ferrari, basically ending the 330 P4 because of that
So it had nothing at all to do with Anti Americanism and more to do with improving competitiveness.
@@fabioq6916 Stil big L for FIA
@@fabioq6916exactly
@@fabioq6916lol at increasing competition. Thats like limiting basketball players height to 6 feet to “increase competition”
I think they were worried about the speeds being too high for the poor aerodynamic understanding at the time.
Ford struggled big time to resolve aerodynamics issues with the GT40 and that was with a massive R and D budget. Poor Ken Miles lost his life because of aero issues I believe and there were other near misses.
If you had more inexperienced teams running 200mph cars there was a risk there would be more big crashes.
This is hugely incorrect. The real reason they stopped winning is because they stopped entering. 1969 was the last year they entered the GT40, and they won it.
The GT40 won even after the rule changes that limited the engine sizes, and were implemented by the FIA after the 1967 race. The '68 and' 69 wins were done with 4.9L engines, instead of the original 7.0L engines.
The rule changes also had nothing to do with Ford winning. It was because of the speeds which Ford was achieving, as the FIA were worried that such speeds would cause a repeat of the 1955 Le Mans disaster where 82 people died, and another 121 were injured.
I hope you're not suggesting that a GT40 would have won against the 917s in 1970 - that's just delusional. 1969 was tough enough, beating the 908 by 100m or so.
@@thosdot6497 Porsche really build a juggernaut in the 917. If Ford put their will and mind into it, they could have competed with the 917. But Ford had ended their endurance, Having won 4 years in a row.
@@chrisdaigle5410 - Ford could have easily competed with Porsche - they took a few years to build momentum and then they crushed Ferrari (some luck and rule-changes notwithstanding). But they couldn't have done it with the GT40, which is the point I was making - as a platform, it dated back to 1964 (or even earlier if you take the ancestral Lola GT); it was barely competitive against the 3 litre Group 6 prototypes, and didn't have a chance against the purpose built Group 4 cars like the 917 and later, 512
The 68 and 69 were not won by Ford. It was a gulf mirage. Run by JWA. It was a much modified gt 40 chassis and not entered as a Ford. Even more remarkable the same chassis won twice.
@@thosdot6497: and to prove the point Ford( read it First On Race Day), they came back 50 years later to do it again. ❤
“ Ford's Le Mans history notably includes the Ford GT40, which took on - and took down - previously vaunted European competitors for four consecutive years in the late 1960s. Then, in 2016 - 50 years after the GT40 first won - a reborn Ford GT took to the top step of the podium in the LMGTE Pro category. “
It also forgot to mention that Caroll Shelby had passed away in 2012
a driven genuine American genius.
And that ken miles died in 66
@@OceanicAirChelseawe saw that in the movie
@@OceanicAirChelseadawg we literally see him die in the movie
@@OceanicAirChelseabro watched Ford vs Ford
The food 427 was a beast and one of the most powerful engines ever produced
Buick says different.
Porsche's 5 liter flat 12 blew by the Ford 427's. The 917's reaching 246 MPH on the Mulsanne straight, is what essentially eventually restricted the engines in the WEC type series to about 3L. When even that didn't work, they had to install chicanes in that straight
So as always stack the deck,Nascar did the same crap ,Ford and Dodge would of beat out GM
@Dope Af nice, proper grammar
Also same thing when Dodge Charger Daytona & Plymouth Roadrunner SuperBird were not allow to race because with had 425HP & it made it to 200 miles and it was unbeatable from 1969 & 1970.
@@NIKOJEFE same thing with the Ford Torino Talladega 428 cobra jet which brought Richard petty over to ford from Mopar and them the big wings brought him back and then they were banned, etc.
Dodge didn't compete for how many years?I probably would leave them out of the conversation.
@@dustinpomeroy8817 why leave them out of the Convo they are still relevant
LeMans has always changed rules. After Jaguar won in 1951, 53, 55, 56 & 57 they changed the rules in the early 60's as jaguar had developed the V12 XJ13 which would have blown Ferrari out of the water. But engine sizes were limited to prevent this
This is common in sports car racing, it's not because they were American... Look at the 917 and subsequent Porsches. Or changing the rules because of the 962, or CANAM or changing the rules so Audi couldn't win again.
Dont forget nissan in V8 super cars Australia
Thank you. Whatever fits the narrative, apparently 😒
The 787 Mazda
@@jokerpaisa4everthe 787 got lucky and only ever won Lemans. It wouldn't finish any higher than 5th in any other race
BS
The rule about engine size was before GT40 defeat.
In 1968 and 1969 the GT40 was a 5 liters Sports Car while prototypes were only 3 liters. The Ferrari P4 wasn't allowed to race as a prototype because it was 4 liters and neither as a Sports Car because of cars produced.
So it's quite the opposite. GT40 stops winning when Ford stopped its developement.
Ford felt that they had accomplished what they had wanted; to embarrass Enzo. Then Porsche took over with the 917, then Matra as well put the nails in the Ferrari Le Man's coffin.
USA did the same thing when audi started owning in trans am with a 2.8l turbo v8 and Quatro. They won podiums in almost every race they finished then iirc were banned through rule changes after either their debut season or the next. Usually with 1,2 finishes as long as the drivers (who didn't much like each other) both finished.
They do this in every motor sport; NASCAR did this also…they stacked the deck for the Daytona and Superbird. I don’t think it had really anything to do with the fact that it was an American team
Couple of things to add here:
1) Ferrari was at the 24 hours of Daytona, setting the stage for the showdown at LeMans, and Ferrari lost there as well. I don't know why they left that out because it would have raised the stakes given the audience a glimmer of hope that they in fact had a chance after all since they were painting Ferrari as "unbeatable" AND Shelby American having to fight off the other GT40 Team, Holman-Moody which was present in the film
2) They mentioned the 12 hours of Sebring, but it wasn't in the movie for whatever reason, Ken Miles won that one as well. Anyone who's played Forza can tell you that final turn will make or break your lead and the race
3) With capping the displacement to 3.0L for the 1970 race, there was a clause that if you could build 25 road going versions of your car they'd raise it to 5.0L. Porsche was the only one that did this and for the 1971 race and absolutely demolished everyone and set the stage for Porsche to have the most wins of any automaker in LeMans history
Seems a constant for scummy people. Don’t like the result? Move those goalposts…
My friend does this. He starts a kill contest in Call of Duty then start changing up rules when he falls behind. Nobody else even agreed to any of it. He's on top he let's the world know. Quietly drops it if he loses and his rule changes don't work. Keep in mind Nobody else is for this contest. It's all him every single time. Shit is wild.
@Brianna Mcm sounds like their opposition failed miserably and changed the rules… simple.
@@porkjuices8365 he's a narcissist plain and simple. Likes to be in control of other people's outcomes for his own personal gains.
Yes but in the case of motorsport, this was incredibly beneficial for the world of it, it forces exploration of other ideas that wouldn't have been looked into otherwise. Motorsport engineering is the forefront
To be honest the rules for Le Mans are continuosly changing and many of those are controversial. If any of you would have partecipated to any of the Le Mans 24hrs as I did , would know. The rules changed also for the 1968 killing the Ferrari 330P4 , which was a restyle of the beaten Ferrari in this case , and finished second in 1967 and won the title. And it also basically closed the official partecipation of Ferrari into Le Mans and then into the Sport Car Championship, at the time called Prototypes which culminated in the title won by Matra in 1973 , because the rules makers decided to pick the 7 best results over the season and not the full point scoring, and Matra which deservelly won 5 races against 2 of Ferrari and Porsche , grabbed the title even if Ferrari totalized a lot more points. It is debatable, because up to that day to win the championship you just had to collect more points ,and in fact Ferrari decided in 1973 to abandon the Sport Championship to concentrate in F1 only. It is to be said as well that Ford was the first one to pour as much money as possible in order to create a car to beat Ferrari, basically opening to what it came later and today totally out of control spending in every level of competition to be winners, football and NBA on top them all. And Mr Ferrari refused the agreement with Ford for not losing control of the Racing Department, and I feel that just right.
Then for whatever regards story of ruling alone, since there is motorsport there are rules breaking, as the idea is to go as much closer as possible to the rules limit and sometime it gets passed even not deliberately. Most of the time are, and just in the last 40 years of F1 we had the Brabham BMW case with illegal fuel which won two titles, The Brabham-Alfa with the famous fan, The Tyrell case disqualified for a year with bottle of oxygen in the motor, the McLaren Honda with the turbo pop off valve, The BAR Honda with the second nourice in the fuel tank, The Ferrari traction control tested in 1994, when many other teams already used it, the famous Brawn diffuser, the fuel sensor reading of Ferrari lately, the scandalous handling of the rules changes in 2014 where Mercedes knew in advance the motorization to be used well before everyone else and developing the motor which dominated 6 years to follow, the Benetton saga on fuel rig and so on..... And we can continue on Rally WRC, where rules changes were made to allow some constructor to come in and win, and the rules breaking were ordinary at every rally for years.
They did the same thing to Jim Hall in Group 7 racing. They just killed the Chaparral cars
One of my friend's Dad was Jim Hall's partner, Jim Sharp.
Ferrari thought they had corralled Ford, but Porsche took the new rules and rebuilt the 908 into that absolute monster that was the 917, a car that effectively shut out Ferrari for many years after.
By changing the engine displacement rules it ruled out the US auto makers because their sole way of getting horsepower was by using large displacement V8's still using push rods and 2 valve per cylinder heads.
The European makers built vastly more sophisticated engines of smaller displacement that made a Ford V8 look like a boat anchor. I love big US V8's but from a technological point of view, they aren't that interesting. They were originally designed to be cheap mass market powerplants in a country with cheap fuel.
Same thing happened when the 787B won. They changed the engine regs preventing rotaries.
Had nothing to do with the 787B, Group C as an overall thing was getting too successful vs F1, so Ecclestone got the top class C1 to adopt the 3.5L F1 engine formula, then went for shorter races and so on. At some point manufacturers projected that they'd spend more on Group C than just going into F1, so they quit. With no manufacturers and teams, Group C died off.
787B Was reliable, but it wasn't that fast. Compare the Sauber C11, which with Michael Schumacher at the wheel broke the lap record in the same race multiple times through the night stint, a lap time Mazda couldn't hope to achieve
Actually the rule change was slated for the next year regardless. Mazda just got really lucky. I'm not trying to take away anything from the 787b or Mazdaspeed though. What they achieved was incredible.
That rule change was implemented in 1990 to save cost on engines from 1993.
787B didn't win until 1991, and retired in 1992.
Get the facts straight
i mean it makes sense. Race officials and series will always change rules to ensure there is a rotation of winners.
What is that supposed to mean. There should be natural rotation of winners, always. It's like saying usain bolt is too tall so he can't run so that winners are rotated. Whatever people think races are for, bit for me its always the car and the driver's skills. Same goes for any competitive sports. You wanna win? Win it with skill and engineering not some lame as$ technical stuff.
@@shivanshsingh8173 well thats in an ideal world. but we don’t live in one of those. shits political, you don’t get entries for races if only 1 person is allowed the formula to win
@@nxthxniel7348 that might be the case, and I don't disagree with that but isn't it doing wrong to the person who put immense effort. I am talking specifically for ken miles there could have been so many things to break ties like the time you stayed in lead or number of cars overtaken or something else but they still chose the only one which made him lose. A sport event that fails to acknowledge the best, imo, isn't credible to rank them in the first place.
@@shivanshsingh8173 I definitely don’t disagree. It’s all political as I said and they’ve got to satisfy everyone unlike other sports that are more equal inherently
@@nxthxniel7348 yes, it is political and all of it is disappointing. At any rate it is really sad and disheartening to know that ken miles didn't live to race another le mans.
For all the Americans thinking the GT40 is American.... actually... only the Mk4 was designed and made completely in the US, the GT40 is based on Lola Mk6, a British car, in fact the GT40 Mk1, 2 and 3 were designed and manufactured in the UK with a British team, also the first GT40 was unveiled in England, only the engine came from the US, so they actually banned a European car.
maybe try watching the movie one time, because they literally show the car being shipped to the usa from uk....
@@PringlesCan-y7m Thanks, but I saw it in a cinema when the film was launched. I know the history, the true history, my father worked on the project for Ford. Now if you could get a load of Americans on here to watch the movie that would be handy 👍
The chassis was built by Holman Moody and Kar Kraft did the bodies. The original Mark 1 car was Lola. All of the race versions had Holman Moody manufacturer's plates.
@@buckhorncortez I was talking about development of the "GT40" and production of the road going "GT40", not the later race series, as well documented: "The first chassis built by Abbey Panels of Coventry (UK) was delivered on 16 March 1964, with fibreglass mouldings produced by Fibre Glass Engineering Ltd of Farnham (UK). The first "Ford GT" the GT/101 was unveiled in England on 1 April and soon after exhibited in New York. Purchase price of the completed car for competition use was £5,200".
Production is listed official as:
United Kingdom:
Slough (Mk I, Mk II, and Mk III)
United States:
Los Angeles (Mk I & Mk II Modifications) and Wixom, Michigan (Wixom Assembly Plant) (Mk IV).
We know it’s based on a British sports car. The thing that made it American was the Ford 427 cu in engine.
Ford pulled out of all racing at the end of 1970.
I don't care about cars so much, but the fact they developed a technology that could out pace, out last, the statuesque, with the world laughing. That's a damn good story. A damn dood movie as well
Not strictly an American vs Europe problem. They did it to the Porsche 917 that dominated in 70 & 71, and many more times throughout the history of LeMans when a car becomes too dominate
This is actually incorrect. FIA changed the rules to smaller engine sizes in 1971. The GT40 stopped winning with the introduction of the Porsche 917in 1969, which won all endurance race but one in 1970 and all but 3 in 1971. It would have won Le Mans already in 1969 if it hadn’t reliability issues that year. When the last 917 dropped out of the race it had a 50 miles lead over the next car.
The 917 turbo charged B12 cars also dominated the 72/73 CanAm series so much that they changed the rules there too. At it’s peak that B12 engine produced up to 1500 HP. The car is until today holding track records in Le Mans and other race tracks it performed.😎
Ford put their badge on a Lola mk6😂
Except by producing 25 cars the intake limit was upped to 5L, no? Whole reason the porshe 917 led
Not quite the whole story..they won the next 3, not 4 (67,68,69).development on bleeding edge variants like the GT40 mkIV stopped as Ford started pulling back from racing and the engine displacement rules eliminating 7 liter (427 CI) engines after 67. The 68 and 69 races were one by John Wyer's highly refined lightweight MK I, specifically p1075, with the 5 liter Gurney Weslake version of the small block ford. Ford chose not to adapt the MK IV to a 5 liter engine which was still allowed to run into the 70s. The Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512 were both 5 liter cars. Limited "production" cars were allowed up to 5 liters, specifically to allow all the owners of MK Is and Lola T70s to race.
Also that Lorenzo Bandini died less than a year after Ken Miles.
Rule changes to influence results are a proud tradition in racing authorities.
The same thing happened with the Audi cars that ran on diesel. They didn't have to stop to refuel as often. And over 24hours those stops counted. I think they ruled that the diesel cars may only carry x ampunt of fuel.
Actually the rules changed after the 1967 win and limited the cars to 5 liters, which meant that the race-winning Mark II (1966) and Mark IV (1967) with the 7 liter engine was instantly ineligible to compete the following year. Ford decided it had proven all it had set out to prove and so they packed up and left for good. So the GT40’s that won in ‘68 and ‘69 were actually obsolete Mark I’s with the small block V8 that were fielded by privateers without Ford factory support. By 1968 the cars were considered under-powered, and though very fast back in the day, they actually never placed well in the race even when they were new. So they were given no odds to be competitive, much less win. But by now the GT40’s were fully developed, and the team that fielded the cars was very experienced and very well managed. They knew how to prepare a car and run a race. Still, it was a tremendous upset that they won in ‘68, much less again in ‘69 with the very same chassis #! They had truly wrung out every last ounce of potential from the design, holding off and denying Porsche their long-sought first victory by winning the last race by the closest margin in Le Mans history up to that time.
Such a good movie!
What the movie also left out was Ferrari travelled to Daytona a year later and demolished the GT40 on American soil with a legendary all Ferrari 1-2-3 finish. Sweet retribution. Amazing tale of revenge.
Yep, and then Chip Ganassi and Ford Performance went back and won it again first try back in 2017 i think?
For people who don’t watch Motorsport, this is how it has always been and continues to be to this day. It keeps the teams on their toes and helps to slow the cars down. If you had the same rules now as you had when the gt40 was active the cars would be far too fast and dangerous
CHRISTIAN BALE WAS SIMPLY AWESOME ❤
It’s not ENTIRELY true, it was developed and built by Ford, Miles and Lola more accurately. The mkI, II and III were built by Lola.
At least they had the courtesy to tell you where they were built in the film
Also because the Porsche 917 was a monster…
Yes 👍 thank you
The rule changes had nothing to do with the GT40 or Ford. The changes effect every single car, the rules have some changes made every single year, and nobody cared that GTs were winning. Le Mans could have easily just denied them entry or made a rule that you can't field 8+ cars, if they really had it out for the Ford.
Ever noticed how the original gt40s were right hand drive? Because the car was designed and built in Britain then shipped to the United States where it was then fine tuned and had the kinks worked out
The only time 'americans' won Le Mans in the 1960s was in 1967. Other than that, the drivers were all either British, Kiwi or European.
In other words, the game gets fixed and Ford couldn’t compete anymore.
They just wasn’t prepared for that American muscle 😂
The European teams were using smaller capacity engines. If say Ferrari had a 5 or 7 litre engine like Ford had, the GT40 would have been an also ran.🇮🇹
@@GBURGE55 congratulations 😂🤷♂️
People think the gt40 was American 😂😂😂 built in England, thats y they were right hand drive 😂
The gt40 mk iv was American
The reason why the NBA changed the rules to handicap Wilt and others.
That’s not exactly what happened...and it wasn’t even American teams who won, they were British teams (Wyer). Moreover they should have changed the rules..Ford was running 5 and 7 liter motors against Ferrari’s 2.5 and 4 liter motors. Plunking in a giant motor isn’t improving design, which is the whole point of motor racing. Meanwhile the guys who really designed the GT40 (Lola) continued to do well with the Lola T70 variations although Porsche stepped in and wiped the floor with everybody with the 917’s at that point. Ford really had no shot after 1969, even with the Mk IV.
If using a larger engine improved the vehicles performance then it's improving the design
The rules changed for everyone.
Same happened to the Viper and then In Australia, JDM cars embarrassed the local production V8s so they changed the rules.
Europe got tired of losing the first 1/2 of the century… they didn’t want to keep up that trend
They got salty because Americans were beating them in races
Can someone please explain I don't get it
@@ConsumptiveSoul That's not true.
@@pineapples3991ww1, ww2 and a bunch of smaller wars in between and after (I assume)
Sounds like Olympics with Eddie the eagle.
I guess they were trying to dodge a Ferarri lawsuit?
If you’re interested in this type of thing research the Australian Bathurst 1000 and Australian Touring Cars Championship history shows that they banned foreign cars bc they kept winning. A few years ago they allowed a few back in but limited.
It was called V8 Super Cars which weren’t allowed available for public whereas in the past there were rules that they had to be available with production numbers being met.
V8s raced together with all size motors and there were classes for each but they were all in same race
this was abt the R32 GTR yes?
Oh so Ferrari can win how many races with no rule change but Ford wins a few and it’s the end of the world lol
Thats european elitism for you.
They did it to Porsche too...
If Americans ever start trying as much at soccer, watch how fast the rules change for that too 😂
european ima peein’ everyone’s uh peein’ 😅
Bullshit. Ford won with two different cars and two different engines in those four years. The GT40 three times, and the J car. Engines were the 7.0 L and the 5.0 L.
They won two more in the 70s as an engine supplier.
The J car never raced. Its development ended after the death of Ken Miles and it was instead turned into the MKIV GT40, which did win.
The J car never raced, get your facts straight
@@nathangriswold3326 the J car won in 1967 with the 427. Fact.
@@Wolfcamp555 it only raced at the 12 hours of sebring not at Le Mans
@@nathangriswold3326 "J" was a rule change for Lemans. It had to race at LeMans.
Reminds me of Schwarzenegger, the bodybuilder.
His employers owned and controlled the major competitions.
So they changed the rules to make it difficult for competitors to enter the competition.
Some of Arnold's trophies - big ones, in fact - were won against ZERO competitors.
But they are still counted as wins.
The rule changes made Arnold win. Not his condition.
He still looked amazing but so did the other guys...who were prevented from competing.
So you adapt to the change.
@Moe Perry Ford never had another duo quite like Shelby and miles so they were never able to be as groundbreaking and genius as though two were able to be.
@@thafilms7262True they were pretty genius.
ADAPT(To the Rule changes) OVERCOME(the difficulties of the changes) SLAUGHTER(the crying little bitches)
😅
@@michaelklein3112 Exactly
This movie can't compare to the 1971 movie Le Mans staring Steve McQueen. It was actually filmed at the real race and McQueen was an actual race car driver as well as a great actor.
The GT 40 wasnt American. It was multi national designed by Brits and Americans, developed by Brits, Americans and New Zealanders….. same with the Cobra …. British American . The Europeans were Anglophobes rather than American haters
Structurally and essentially British. They deserve it the most.
Interesting that was completely left out of the movie
Similar thing happened when Saiko won a prestigious watch completion. The swiss just stopped having the competition.
Same thing they did to Bill Elliot’s thunderbird, hence restricter plate racing
Europeans
What was this rule change that was supposedly specifically aimed to ban the GT40?
The GT40 began racing in 1964 and by 1969, five years later, the GT40 was at the end of its racing life and was regularly being outclassed by the newer smaller engined sports prototypes. Only five GT40’s were entered in the Le Mans 1969 race as opposed to sixteen Porsches and by the time of the race Porsche had already wrapped up the 1969 international Championship of Makes with seven wins in the series. The new 4.5 litre engined Porsche 917’s dominated the 1969 Le Mans race until 11 am on the Sunday when the leading car hit mechanical problems. The bigger 4.9 litre engined GT40 win by 120 metres in 1969 was very much against the odds. Another lap and it would have certainly been passed by the 3 litre engined Porsche 908. It was the most exciting and tightest finish in the history of Le Mans. Although I’m now an old man, I still well remember watching on the live tv the Porsche closing in on the Ford.
Famously the 1969 winning car was the same car that had won in 1968 which is a mark of how any real development on the car had in effect already stopped. The GT40’s glorious Le Mans career came to an end in 1969 simply because better, newer cars had now come along and it was time to put the grand old lady into retirement. In fact the 1969 winner was nicknamed “The Old Lady”. For the 1970 race, the John Wyer team (that had won the 1968 and 1969 races) switched from Ford to Porsche.
The GT40 could have competed at Le Mans after 1969 but didn’t. The two GT40’s entered in the 1970 Le Mans race did not arrive to compete. Similarly the single GT40 that was entered in the 1971 race did not arrive to compete.
The gt40 was built in slough though so technically British built. British driven. American team.
American Ford engine, American company Shelby built
@@jegr3398 British test driver, British chassis 🤷🏻♂️
@@MaNNeRz91 its just the chassis and the body everything else was american citizen thats a dumb argument
@@yuritarted984 but it was the chassis that made the car so great not the engine. They still had plenty of issues with engine and gearbox. Not so much with chassis and suspension
@@yuritarted984 Wrong, British engineers
The rule that changes was the prototype class minimum production was lowered, but the maximum displacement was also lowered to 3L while the touring class kept its 5L status. The GT40 mkII and mkIV are 7L and they won in 66 and 67 while the mkI is a 4L and it won in 68 and 69. So technically the rules it changed shouldn’t have mattered considering Ford had already won 2 le mans under the new rule change with 2 mkI gt40s in 68 and 69
Racing series constantly change rules when one car type wins to much as they don't want the series to be stale. NOTHING about being "sore losers"
That's bullshit. It's a race. Fastest car and best driver wins. There is no need to punish success unless there's an emotional angle. We want to see fast cars go fast
@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Racing is business and that business needs customers. A boring series with the same winner all the time does not attract customers. Other factors also are in play like safety and innovation. So no, not BS, it's reality.
@@martinblank1484 I know it's reality genius that's why I said it's bullshit
@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Great....any how...
@@martinblank1484 Anyhow what?
And then Europeans have the audacity to talk about their, superior engineering 🥴
Japan > Germany > Italy > US > the rest of Europe
Is that why brits had to build the Gt40 for the yanks? Ouch
US>rest of the world
@@drazenbudis7881Ford 427 was American V8
@@drazenbudis7881the engine was American you pos
@@drazenbudis7881 well they have no idea on how to race on European soil so they ask for help in Europe
Changing the rules is what happens in races. They changed rules in NASCAR and banned certain designs/modifications because it gave unfair advantages. Same thing with the Formula series.
Sore losers describes Europe perfectly
2nd rate describes American cars perfectly.
3rd rate describes Americans perfectly
Great short, good info. 10/10
You have zero idea about motor racing and Le Mans if you think this was because 'american bad'. Funny how if you actually did research you would find out that every other company was affected by this; in fact this change was long overdue, it goes to show that ford and american car manufactures could build big and powerfull but couldnt build compact and even more powerfull.
Stop playing the victim and try harder.
The gt40s one of my favorite ones that's a real Supercar eater
yeah and America's have never been sore losers.
It's impossible because we win everything
@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 Vietnam
@@iansmith1369 💀
@@iansmith1369 we won Vietnam too, nice try
@@hotwaxonmyuddersohyeahmoo5701 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Classic classic American behaviour, the rules applied to all, some adapted, some did not. The sign of success is adapting and continuing to win, not quitting and blaming rule changes.
They did this to Corvette Racing also. The Europeans don’t like to lose so they cheat.
A lasting victory was achieved when you managed to force them to change the rules just to win.
It's like when me and my friends played tdm on private bf4 servers, and the server owner kept changing the rules, banning weapons we were successful with. We all gave up when he eventually disallowed the eod bot as well. We knew we had won when even this thing was too deadly for these people. They just wanted sniper rifles and mortars to be allowed in the end...
Enzo was notorious for this type of behaviour.
If he didn't get things his way he just pulled out in protest.
This is common in motorsports, lol. Every couple of years, the regulations change to try to stop a brand's dominance. Some competitions even outright add weight to cars based on how well they're riding on a particular track. Americans think the world is out to get them for how good they are.
That's such a European/leftist thing to do! "We don't like you so we're just going to change the rules"
We didn’t try to subvert a legitimate presidential election or storm the capitol beat down the police and threaten to kill lawmakers.
We don’t get our news from crack pot conspiracy theorists and serial liars
Today’s Republicans shame their party’s proud history and threaten to destroy freedom and the search for truth with each new fascist they elect
@@dennisstrahm4309 You stole a legitimate election from the American people staged a coup and went along with it like good little sheep. Your people in the alphabet agencies orchestrated the so-called "attack" on the Capitol and used it to imprison political prisoners holding them indefinitely without charges
You get your news from George Soros and Klaus Schwab worshipers. Today's Republican party and the Democrats are one big uni party. There's a group of people that are patriots and then there are traitors. It is clear you are a traitor your time will come.
The fact that you're accusing the people trying to put a stop to this of destroying freedom in the search for truth is laughable. Tell me which party it is that's trying to throw people in jail for what they say on social media and can't even decide what a woman is
@@RabidNemo As long as you and your like-minded fanatics insist on creating an alternate reality there will be no way for us to communicate meaningfully.
If you ever come up for air we may be able to help you live among sane people once again
@@dennisstrahm4309 there are plenty of examples to give to support what the OC said, all you seemed to do is call him/her names with no examples of why the OC post was incorrect or false.
@@dennisstrahm4309
Pinko commie
Sounds like what they did in Australia in 1993 - changing all the rules to stop the GT-R Skyline racing against and embarrassing Holden and Ford
They did the exact same thing with the Viper when it first came onto the scene and dominated its class.
Same story for the watch industry now that I think about it, the Swiss got butt hurt when lil ol Japanese Seiko was gaining on them during late 60’s.
I think you should check the history properly. There are many facts totally wrong in the movie to start with, as for every movie trying to tell a real story, and the rule change is normal in racing championships to improve safety, shows, overtaking, costs and a lot more
Proper Ford Lemans order. 1966 GT40MkII, 1967 FORD GT MkIV, 1968 and 1969 GT40 same chassis in 68 and69 5liter engine. The MkIV was a different car.
Same thing happened with Tillamook cheese. The european competition excluded non-european cheese companies after they were obliterated year after year by the PNW.
"european competition" , "european cheese companies" ... you see the problem?
What's a company from these USofA doing there? Do your own competition, on your own soil.
But then calling something local the "World" is en vogue in these USofA.
France alone has a variety of over 1000 cheese, many are only produce locally, no industrialized garbage.
Seems lie a familiar theme to me. I read about the Seiko company and how they opened two subsidiary factories and set them off against each other to make a better and better watch to equal the Swiss. Well, they did it. They ended up combining the best of both factories and put the resulting masterpiece into the competition in Switzerland. It won as it was by far the most accurate watch in the contest. The contest was then discontinued. Sore losers right enough.
Now I think that they were the real a holes
Man knoe matter what we say about Americans, these guys dont like to loose. They will come back, win, adapt more and more, and then just dominate whether be it in anything.
The US hasn't been dominant in manufacturing terms in any form of Motorsport since LeMans1967! ('68 & '69 was a British run team btw).
Sounds like something biden would do
😂😂😂😂😂 i agree thank god honest people like Trump or Mitch McConell would never do that. Maybe i should look this up.........
As an American, that's annoying. But as a racing fan, that's exactly how the world works. If you win too much and things get boring, the regulators change the rules to make a new challenge for everyone. It spices up the results a bit more but we still see dominance. F1 has seen this. Audi can say the same about Le Mans in modern times.
Lmao my day just keeps gettin better
Two huge companies taking L’s
people in the comments talking about the opposition changing the goalposts but it wasn't Ferrari changing the goalposts or any particular manufacturer. It was the ACO, who are French, if anything that's probably Renault-biased.
Same thing with the viper
What about the Mazda Wankel? With its 10K+ RPM, Nothing could beat it.
Nothing new really but i would say it is a good thing, if you allowed one team to dominate without any changes ,other teams would pull out of the championship or there would be arms race and oneday they found out nobody can afford to race anymore.