The Trill look isnt the only problem with the Trill Storyline. The TNG Episode takes place in 2367 and they dont know anything about the Trill, but according to DS9 Sisko and Curzon have been friends since the 2350's and 2367 is actually the year Curzon died.
@@WardNightstone alright but what about Dax's host before Kurzon who judged a competition on Earth and met McCoy before he had his doctorate? According to Dax, she lived through the 23rd century Starfleet and that the Trills were members of the Federation long before that TNG epispde
@@mikahael1 - The Symbiont could have been a closely guarded secret, much like Pon Farr was. It is mentioned in DS9 that there are only a handful of symbionts relative to the population of the Trill Homeworld.
@@MrThomasCWest if I had a bunch of long-lived slugs which basically enslaved fully-sentient humanoids (their choice, of course, but when you're raised to think it's a great honor & accomplishment to be joined, is it really fully your choice?), I'd hide it from the Federation, too, that kind of thing should've disqualified them from membership, IMHO (both for the enslavement, and the elevation - even if only cultural, not legal - of the joined, over the not-joined)
In TNG the first time they intro The Ferengi Troi can 'read' them just fine, but in later episodes she say that Betazoid's can't 'read' the Ferengi at all. You should do an episode about how many times they ignore Troi's ability because it would disrupt the plot.
Troi does say at the beginning they can shield their minds, but then in the same episode says the ferengi captain is hiding something. Or something like that. So the show ignored the rule in the same episode 😂
@@gentlemanviking2644 well without psychic abilities you can JUST TELL when someone is lying or hiding ... as a counselor she would also need to learn to read people's body language.
Yeah, she was honestly too much of a secret weapon taking TNG into lots of episodes where high gambles had to be done based on her assessment, making her abilities the only way out of certain situations - and at the same time requiring to ignore her abilities quite frequently.
Interesting list! I think the one about the Klingon Language can be explained very easily. The Klingons could easily have multiple languages. In fact, it's implausible that they would only have one language.
I mean how many different forms and dialects of English alone are there, let alone all the other regional languages just from humans? It's always been interesting that all members of every race in Star Trek all seem to speak the same language. I know universal translators and all, but you get the idea. No reason that different members of the same race could not have different words and phrases for the same thing.
One of my favorite scenes of Babylon 5 is where Commander Sinclair shows off the "dominant" belief system of Earth. He assembles about a 100 different people of different religions, showing that we are a diverse species.
I always found it odd that Dr Crusher slept with the Trill while her Commander was right there with them. Even if Riker wasn't really in control of his body, he would still experience and remember what happened with Beverly that night. (Not to talk about the fact that he seemed to be in great pain for the whole time of being in an unfitting host but still was able to enjoy a night with Dr Crusher)
In some of the beta cannon, Scotty says he was told by Guinan that Kirk was in the nexus and was, in a way, still alive. This was partly what gave Scotty the idea to use the transporter to save himself. When he was rescued by the Enterprise, he remained hopeful that Kirk had come back from the nexus
I had always thought that the percentage lost was that memory of Kirk being lost. Because really, would you want to keep that memory of your friend? That he died doing what you had suggested?
@@tonsilsthecat3430 in pretty sure slowly degrading in the transporter buffer for decades is a horrible existence and the worst way to die. (poor Franklin degraded faster.)
Yeah, you can easily write that off as Scotty being severely discombubulated after fighting for his survival on a failing ship and then being reconstructed from decade old patterns into an unfamiliar environment. That would be like waking up from a fever dream. You would need a few minutes (at least) to collect yourself before you're fully there.
In interviews, the writers of Generations stated that they were fully aware that putting Scotty in the movie where Kirk "dies" would contradict the episode Relics, but they did it anyway because fans would enjoy seeing Scotty again.
Fact Check: Concerning Terry Farrell and the redesign of the Trill host species. The look was changed as Farrell has extremely sensitive skin, and the heavy Trill makeup caused her to have an allergic reaction, hence the painted on leopard-like spots were introduced instead.
It's both and another consideration. Actors like to be seen. They also like paychecks. A very well known actor might not mind playing Rubberface Alien of the Week, but if you're not famous, you want face time. OTOH, you want to pay your bills. Terry probably asked for reduced makeup, they said, you're right, we need attractive women, etc. Don't forget time is money and they probably try to keep non-camera prep time down. So it was a win-win.
Just to put this out there, and feel free to disagree with me if you wish, I always saw this as the symbiotes were compatible with several different species of humanoids. Given that, no need to be too slavish to one look.
In TOS Turnabout Intruder, I got the idea that Janice Lester was rejected by StarFleet not because she was a woman, but because she was a specific woman. In the way that someone slighted often blames things that were never *really* responsible, Janice was blaming StarFleet for rejecting her and generalized that to believe they reject women in general. Considering how few women we see in command in the Star Trek universe, it might be easy to get away with such observations. The last line "being as rich as any woman's" could simply mean that Kirk felt she could have made a life for herself in spite of not commanding a Starship. When Janice said "Your StarFleet does not take women," she was seemingly ill. Perhaps Kirk did not correct her because he knew it would start an argument that Janice seemed in no shape to participate. It may have been that Janice failed her entry exams or was somehow otherwise unqualified. Kirk, rather that asserting she was a failure, let her believe that StarFleet was biased so as to not upset her. All of this is perhaps RetCon speculation and none of it was specifically stated. But then again, the conversations between the characters seem a bit vague also.
This is a well-reasoned argument, but no one is going to buy it because it's so much easier just to say it was sexist against women the way everyone does about everything today.
@@hardtfelt No, it's sexist because the show-runner himself, the cast, and plenty of people more knowledgeable about Trek than you have admitted it was sexist and that they regret making the episode. Are you accusing Roddenberry of lying? Some things are just fucking sexist man, deal with it. Christ. I also have no idea how people with your attitude watch Trek, considering that for over fifty years now it has consistently shat all over your beliefs as being archaic and backwards.
I find it to be a good explanation. However, TOS did have issues with sexism; that's why they had to make a 2nd pilot episode, because the network couldn't handle Number One being a woman.
It's a matter of training. When a woman becomes qualified by rising through the ranks, she can. It was not something women aspired to originally, thus it was not thought of as "normal".
I would explain Scotty by saying he was so amazed that the ship named Enterprise rescued him that he was like “next thing you’re gonna tell me is that Jim is alive and the one who came looking for me.”
It could be that or it could be that Scotty has seen Kirk pull off impossible seeming rescues so often that he just assumes that's the only way he'd ever get out of the transporter.
"Oh, Kirk didn't die after all, obviously. I mean, it's not like we ever found a body. I can't wait to hear how he got back in command of the Enterprise and decided to lead the rescue mission."
My head-canon of Turnabout Intruder was that Janice Lester was psychologically unstable to begin with, maybe along the lines of Borderline Personality Disorder. In addition to the Saratoga having a female captain, so did the Columbia NX-02 a century earlier. If she was that unstable, she wouldn't have been able to make it through command training or maybe even the academy itself, and it makes sense that she would blame others for her failings rather than work on her issues.
My take was that no woman had a place in Kirk's personal world of being a starship captain. Janice Lester is far from the only woman he passed up in favor of his career. Carol Marcus too.
We also can’t forget the mentality of the time. Even thought Gene Roddenberry’s vision was of a world without prejudice, you can can clearly see the difference in the way people thought from TOS (60’s) to TNG (80s). Given that ENT was written in 2000s, it would bring about some struggles trying to create something prior to TOS without compromising the equality that we have now. I feel that attributing psychological instability to Janice would be a good excuse to counteract this issue.
Spock was said to be an only child in TOS to prevent endless script suggestions of Spock's brothers, sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters...until Sybok in STAR TREK V.
@@IceWolfLoki Theres a fan-theory that the evens of Star Trek V never really happened and it was all just Kirk living out his dream (being the heroic Captain , defeating God, endless decks on the Enterprise...etc) whilst he's still trapped in the Nexus. Mind you, that would fuck up the brilliant 'Undiscovered Country' if true.
I don't know the middle names of any of my friends or professors from college, so I always told myself that Gary Mitchell simply guessed Krk's middle initial. Kirk would have corrected him, but he was too busy trying not to die.
Most people would not, but Mitchell was the Enterprise's XO and presumably would be familiar with Kirk's personnel file. Also one of his abilities he picked up on the way to godlike powers was extreme memory retention.
Another "misteak" concerning the Trill is that Odan refused to use the transporter saying it would damage the symbeont, but Jadzia and Esry transported all the time!!!!
@@henrytimbrook4687 That one is easy to explain, though. The Trill were hiding that they were two species. Using the transporter would have revealed the existence of the symbiote. It was not damage they were worried about. Of course, they also see 3em to have re-connect the idea nobody knew about the symbiosis until Odon's body died on the Enterprise, but Sisko had been aware of Dax's nature before that.
Yet, the argument I hear from Discovery haters is that the change to the Klingons is unforgivable. At least the TNG Klingons and the Disco Klingons have some resemblances to each other. No one now is complaining about the changes between the TOS Klingons to the Movie/TNG era Klingons, and how drastic that is or by the how Trills have changed between TNG and DS9. In both cases, those changes are so drastic that they seem like completely different species. Further, there was no in story explanations given for either changes at the time, and the Trill change has still yet to be addressed. At least Kurtzman and crew have stated that the Disco Klingons are of a more ancient bloodline. These arguments to me are extremely reactionary, close minded, and completely against the nature of ST's ideology.
On Generations, the original script did not include Scotty and Chekov at all, and therefore created no errors. They intended on it being Spock and Bones. DeForest Kelly was physically unable to appear, and Leonard Nimoy declined because he felt his lines could have been delivered by any random person and didn't feel like Spock. So they kept the script the same but reassigned the lines to the other 2, which proved Nimoy correct.
Kelley said publicly that he followed Nimoy’s lead in declining to appear in Generations. He was well enough to appear at a convention I attended in Pasadena in 1996.
Takei too (and Nichols) likely followed Nimoy's "lead". The whole notion of an on-screen gathering of two Enterprise crews some three-quarters-century-plus apart was just the boneheaded idea of studio 'suits' who do not care a whit about the integrity of continuity, versimilitude, and other notions of the creative process.
3:15 The keyword you're missing is "unauthorized", in a security situation then the ship's security force and command-level officers are authorized to use phasers on high stun or greater.
Question. Why is it that when there is any unauthorized, shuttle launch, transporter use, firing a torpedo, etc. Whom ever is at the com, tells the captain and the captain says stop what ever is unauthorized. Never gets it stopped in time. Shouldn't it be a standing order to stop it automatically?
They tear him apart later (after Nemesis, before Star Trek Picard). No Data coming back or anything. Those pre-Pine movie comics aren't canon, so Data never comes back in B4. Putting him together in the first place? Well, I think Data seen B4 having a rather cleaned out mind, so he decided to try and copy to him to give him a personality (which never worked). He did actually deactivate him at one point, not trusting him, but then Picard probably knew it wasn't B4's own fault for the disaster. It was the writer's fault.
They probably figured B4 was safe as long as he didn't have a type L phase discriminating amplifier. PICARD: Could it be Lore? DATA: No, sir. My brother's positronic brain has a type L phase discriminating amplifier. Mine is a type R.
Could Scotty not have been sarcastic? Hearing the name of his old ship after such a long time, he'd just quip something like "OH? THAT ship?? And I'm sure you've also got the ghost of my former Captain helping find me?"
When they leave the galaxy in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", I make it work in my head by just assuming that they went a different direction, since space is three-dimensional. Maybe its a shorter distance to the edge of the galaxy if you go "upwards" instead of "left" or "right" (simplification of directions), since the galaxy is a disk, not a sphere.
Good point. It absolutely is. Still weeks or months away by the speeds stated on Voyager, but definitely a lot closer for the speed of Plot to hand wave.
@@dembones5005 Definitely! I definitely assume that they had been traveling for weeks or months and had finally made it to the edge - close enough that it's not ridiculous to send people out there, but far enough that it makes sense that they were some of the first people to encounter the effects of the galaxy's barrier.
He’s it’s 3D but you ain’t getting to the edge by going up. Milky Way is 1000ly thick but 100,000ly wide. Only problem is, there is nothing up or down, as everything spun to the sides. Might as well be flat for galactic reasons. Star systems and such? Sure, you can go up and down. But anything beyond that? You’re in empty between galaxy space.
Oh I like that explanation! I was thinking that, since the universe is constantly expanding, the Milky Way Galaxy would be much larger by the time of VOY than it was in TOS, therefore it would take longer to travel across.
I always thought you were able to beam out through shields but not in ie Scotty beamed Ambassador Fox down to Emeniar7 without lowering his shields and subjecting the ship to attack
In "The Wounded", O'Brien was able to beam through shields by timing the sensor cycle or some other technobabble: RIKER: He'd never drop his shields and allow you to transport on board. O'BRIEN: The Phoenix is using a high energy sensor system. It cycles every five point five minutes. Between cycles there's a window of a fiftieth of a second. Trust me, I can get through.
Funny thing is they came so close to actually doing it right, because they already were timing things, so they should have had the Jenolan lower shields, energise the transporters, and fire the torpedoes in one go.
It's not strange if it depends on the sheald tech and the transporter tech and knowledge of frequensis and such. I would say invisibilty cloaks also is realative to the enemy sensors...
Star Trek overall has really missed a trick with these racial continuity hiccups. What a missed opportunity to hand wave it with the notion that regional areas of planets, especially M class worlds with diverse environments, have superficial differences in appearance. If you wanted to risk being preachy you could even point out the superficial differences in humans. Humans evolved different eyelids, different hands (webbed or not), different hair types, different skin tones, and even different fur coverage and patterns on our body hair, all based on environmental advantages. How hard is it to believe some klingons didn't have ridges? Or that some trill were spotted etc etc. Worf should have said, "Those Klingons are from the southern hemisphere."
Star Trek: Picard finally explained the Romulan's head ridges/no head ridges that way. A ridged Romulan is described as a "Northerner," by a smooth Romulan.
For Klingons that unfortunately doesn't work as Kang, Koloth and Korr were shown without ridges in TOS and later shown with them in DS9. But fortunately Enterprise did a great explanation on it within canon.
Re: Scotty's memories: The answer is simple: He assumed that Kirk somehow came back. (I know that the real explanation was that his lines in Relics were written before Generations was filmed).
In Star Trek: Generations, Kirk is pulled into the Nexus because it 'collided' with the portion of the Enterprise where he was standing, BUT...Soran couldn't fly into the Nexus with a ship, as was suggested, because it would destroy the ship. But he would have still ended up in the Nexus, so who cares if the ship was destroyed. Same argument for Soran wanting to get back into the Nexus. He had been pulled into it because a ship he was on 'collided' with it. The ship was destroyed, but Soran was in the Nexus, before being pulled out by a transporter. Again, why didn't he just get a ship and fly back into the Nexus on his own.
Star Trek VI was what, 100 years before TNG? Maybe in that time frame, they decided the alarms were just too much to deal with. Maybe instead of setting off an alarm, a computer entry in made in a log somewhere of where and when the a phaser was fired in case they need to figure it out.
Kirk's middle initial WAS given as T. in TOS ep Tomorrow is Yesterday when interrogated by the USAF Colonel, played by Ed Peck, (who went on to play Police Officer Kirk in Happy Days)
Yes, they frequently called him "James T. Kirk" over the course of the series. The Animated Series episode "Bem" and Star Trek VI only told us what the "T" stood for.
Well in defense of Scotty, the TNG episode was filmed years before the movie Generations. Further, we also can take into consideration of Scotty's age in Generations. He's in his retirement as quoted in the TNG episode (he's on his way to a retirement colony) so we can assume that the Enterprise-B incident happened many years prior and perhaps his memory is becoming foggy, or just the plain explanation, in his excitement of being rescued and hearing the name Enterprise, had a lapse in memory. Either way, writing of the TNG script happened before the movie script.
About Scotty, I read that the original script for Generations required for Spock, and not Scotty, to witness Kirk's death. Scotty wasn't even supposed to be there, but when Leonard Nimoy wasn't available, producers called James Doohan.
How they consistently forget that the shuttles have separate power systems and buit in transporters. "Oh no transporters are down!" "Uh captain we have 20 more in the shuttle bay." You could do several episodes on the stupid waste of technology the transporter is. Reset any disease, erase time damage to cells, duplicate any item by 'reusing' the buffer signal. It's dumb...
In 1965, they wanted to avoid all the nerds nitpicking them to death about atmospheric flight and to be Future Cool, Dude. They didn't think it all the way through. First, the single most important consideration, bar none, is the dramatic function (which it destroys). Got a prob, Jimmy boy? "Scotty, save my ass!" End of story. Oops. Sooooo...every week, they beam down, get clunked, and have their communicators seized. Not to mention that transporting kills you. This has been discussed at length for decades. You step in for the very first time and your next stop is the Afterlife. WTF??? There's no user warning, either. Meanwhile, You Prime is thoroughly convinced You are still You, but You are Not You - You are Dead. Then, You' beams back up and Spock greets You". Incidentally, Spock is not Spock, either, he's Spock^567. But You^N is blissfully unaware of all this, just as Spock^M hasn't a clue Sarek's baby boy died a long time ago. Whether or not the People^Z get an Afterlife - dunno. Maybe it's one soul per customer. Anyhow, it kills drama and everybody who uses it. I'm going to Risa, nonetheless.
I like to think that that "if only..." isn't related to being a woman but to her psicological problems, a man like her wouldn't have become a captain either, probably wouldn't even become an officer.
Could be retconned as Kirk having two middle names. Mitchell references the R instead of the T. Another possibility is Mitchell has a twisted sense of humor and wanted Kirk’s initials JRK to basically basically spell JerK.
The thing that always bugs me is the episode in TNG when they find out warp technology is essentially destroying space. Starfleet then puts warp speed limits on their ships, which they do refer to several more times in TNG, but (I'm pretty sure) is completely ignored in DS9 and Voyager.
Voyager's folding warp nacelles were mentioned to be designed that way specifically to avoid damaging subspace. Writing themselves *out* of a corner they wrote themselves *into* doesn't correct bad writing, it just papers over the cracks.
Didn't they establish that A. Maximum warp was to be used only in emergencies and B. Later starship designs were meant to address that problem? Like with the Intrepid class.
This can easily be fixed. The Voyager episode The Omega directive explained the substance omega destroyed subspace and that starfleet was experimenting with it which resulted in a section of space being forbidden for warping through due to an accident. The writers just needed to slip in an episode mentioning that initially it was believed to be warp drives but later discovered it was omega. Easily fixed.
It wasn´t completely ignored in DS9. In the episode "Little green men", where Quark, Rom and Nog travel to Earth, it is mentioned, when Quark wants that Rom flies faster than the speed limit.
There are different kinds of continuity errors. Production goofs - the amount of water changes in the glass between shots! - and ignoring story points. This list is the latter.
If the Scotty thing bothers you, then think about it like this: the dude had been stuck in a pattern buffer for 70 years. That’s gonna play merry hell with your mind. We already know transporter psychosis is thing (thanks Barclay) and that the transporter historically HAS messed with peoples brain pan. Who knows what a length of time in a beam will do to ya? Hope this helps.
I mean my headcannon was something like Scott going "well geez, if they pulled out an "Enterprise" maybe HE came back, he came back a LOT when we'd thought him dead. --or maybe what died wasn't the real kirk, maybe a robot or a clone, or evil universe copy...etc..." (--extending from presumtion they maybe retire the ship name after losing its original captain, like teams sometimes retire a jersey number.. something like that)
Oh, you missed a HUGE one! In "The Wrath of Khan", Chekov is the one who recognizes and remembers Khan. But he wasn't yet part of the crew when "Space Seed", the episode of TOS that was the basis for the movie, was aired. So he never met Khan, and couldn't possibly have recognized him. With all due respect to Walter Koenig, his part in this movie ought by rights have gone to George Takei as Sulu, who WAS part of the crew in that episode and could well have recognized Khan.
Koenig has a long-running joke that Chekov wasn't on the bridge yet, but that he was on the lower decks. And he met Khan by accident by taking a bathroom that Khan really needed. I think the reason Chekov was chosen to be the character on the other ship was because he was the youngest, and the least likely to be reassigned to trainng ops at the Academy. Also... if we're considering TAS, Chekov may have been reassigned once before.
The Trill spots first showed up on a non-Trill in the TNG episode 5.21 The Perfect Mate. I remember when DS9 came out I had just finished a TNG rewatch and almost immediately went, "hang on a moment..."
The change to Kirk's middle initial from R to T (as well as Sulu changing from physicist to helmsman) is actually simple: between the events of the pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and the rest of the series, there was the actual first discovery of the "Guardian of Forever". They came away from that without any "catastrophic" changes to history, but there were a few "minor" alterations covering the previous few decades that went unnoticed - KIrk's parents giving him the middle name "Tiberius" instead of "Rabelaise", Sulu choosing a different career path in Star Fleet, as well as the encounter with the Guardian itself being forgotten. Oh, and _Star Trek_ being renewed for a third season, instead of cancellation after the second taking hold, while _Assignment: Earth_ had been bought as a series and ran for 12 years (although Robert Lansing left after the first season and was replaced by Christopher Walken), only finally being sunk when Robbie Rist joined the cast in season 12.
Scotty's exclamation of Kirk coming to save the day with the old Enterprise was a kind of exaggerated statement of hyperbole and a level of disbelief at what had just happened. Also, how many times has Jim Kirk cheated death?
2:46 Voyager S5:E14 Bliss; 7 of 9 stuns B'Elanna and the Engineering crew and the next line is Harry on the bridge saying "We've got phaser fire in Engineering." They can sense it. They're just not always watching. In other words "Ummm, actually..." 🤓
In That which Survives the Enterprise is sent over 7000 light years away and returns in about a day. So Voyager should have been home in less than 2 weeks easy.
I have a friend who wanted to get into Trek and asked me what order to watch. I told her TNG, then DS9 (with an overlap schedule I have), then Voyager, then TOS, then Enterprise. She asked why I put TOS so far down the list, I told her that it makes a lot more sense continuity wise if you ignore TOS and watch the big 3 first.
I think I read somewhere that Terry Farrel had a reaction to the prosthesis. I also remember seeing test footage of her in makeup more similar to the TNG Trill look.
The spots were not "born" because of Terry Farrell. Famke Jansen sported them when she played Kamala in Next Gen episode "The Perfect Mate." It is possible that they didn't want to cover Farrell, but the spots predate her.
@@AstralArbourSys If I recall correctly the time shift had something to do with either a problem with the ship's drive, or the cargo that was on the ship.
@@AstralArbourSys I've been rewatching DS9 (again) and it just so happens that the next episode that I watched was the one with Quark going back in time. LOL
Chekov points out the alarm seems to only detect if something was vaporized when they find the two dead Crewmen. So the alarm might be less an unauthorized use of a phaser, than an unauthorized vaporization.
It's almost like there were dozens of writers writing hundreds of episodes and a dozen movies spanning over 40 years, and no one bothered to keep it all straight.
In early TOS, Kirk refers to the enterprise as part of the United Earth space fleet (or some fool thing), then in a later episode he calls it Uespa, then in a later episode it's Starfleet. It keeps changing and changing. Talk about making crap up as you go.
Discovery and Picard break the rules of Star Trek many many times over. This should have been called '10 Times Star Trek Broke Its Own Rules Pre-Kurtzman Era'. Otherwise, great list!
Star Trek has always retconned nearly every episode of every series. It's that the recent series change loved aspects of canon for unappealing reasons or no reason at all other than to be edgy.
@@patrickmccurry1563 im sorry, what, a couple swears? big deal. The show is fun, it's not your star trek, just like tng wasn't your fathers star trek. People were just as mad about tng as they are about discovery, sit back, have fun, enjoy the addition. Let's have fun with this new addition to the group. If you stop being mad for 5 seconds, you might be able to actually enjoy it, gasp! Im teasing you ofc, but, honestly. Do you really think that the original trek was not thought of as edgy? Keep dreaming, they loved it edgy. Will dicvoery have trip ups and not succeed EVERY storyline, sure, none of the series have a flawless resume. lol we love them regardless. I have enjoyed every bit of discovery. I would have liked a different reason for the burn, but, it isn't what i wanted oh well. I've still had a blast watching. I can't wait to see what they do next!
@@Dropla Only one problem... even if I set aside my hatred towards how I believe they have ruined the franchise, I still think it is poor quality television. I respect your opinion, you enjoy this type of TV and I understand that. I just don’t.
Relics came out years before Generations! Since the "mistake" is in Relics, how could Scotty have known than 10 years later someone would decide that Kirk disappeared 10 years earlier?
@@jayman2519 Yes, but still: How should either the writer or James Doohan have known in 1992's episode Relics the events of 1994's Star Trek: Generations? The problem is that Relics was written earlier. Same writer or not, that problem cannot be avoided other than by editing the line about Kirk out of 'Relics' or excluding Kirk from 'Generations'.
You should talk about TOS pilot episode. Many believe it to be canon, however, it has several things in it that are impossible (Spock smiling, ray guns, etc.).
@@adamlips1711 Yeah, it's annoying to introduce something as a clue to resolve the plot, but the clue itself breaks from the past and then disappears as if never a thing again.
The simplicity of story telling. Most planets have one climate, one language, one general appearance one narrow culture usually based around a simple attribute. Vulcan: Logic Klingon: Aggression Ferengi: Greed Romulan: Spying/Control.
This is actually a huge pet peeve of mine! It's one of the few things I really couldn't stand about Babylon 5, which is otherwise really good at making the alien cultures feel plausible, just alien.
Don't get me started on warp drive! Data said the Enterprise "at warp 9" was 9,000c Paris said Voyager's top-speed was 22,000c On Undiscovered Country, the Enterprise top speed was 350,000c
The rule of thumb they adhered to (in theory) on TNG was that warp factors up to warp nine were raised to the power 3 to get their c equivalent. In Enterprise they increased it to the power 4.321.
The warp speed issue... Once upon a time in "The Tholian Web", Spock figured out how to drive into interdimensionally through space, which jumped the Enterprise out of the Tholian Web and 2.72 parsecs distant. In the novel for Star Trek III, it was written that the NX-2000 Excelsior was a trans-warp drive ship, meaning that it could jump interdimensionally, and obtain speed factors higher than warp 10 (taken from Spock's theoretical work. Let's also remember that in "That Which Survives", the Enterprise managed warp 14 before Scotty could seal the out of phase condition. And in "By Any Other Name" the Kelvans modified the Enterprise to go even faster than warp 11. It was also theorized that the TOS warp scale was a different formula for computing speed, and that the TNG scale was exponentially higher than TOS was, as stated in the Star Trek Technical Manuals published at the time. I would theorize then, that the TOS warp scale was early physicists guestimates from JPL, where TNG was based on newer computations worked out 20 years later, also from JPL, and further analysis of Einstein's theories. We all know how Gene liked to be as close to real as possible. It was rumored that the trans-warp capability of NX-2000 Excelsior didn't work out, and so it was stripped out. and turned into Sulu's Excelsior. And it should be noted that NX-2000 was the first known TOS ship that used optical chips that we know of. Probably borrowed from TNG. Scotty took out optical chips from Excelsior to break her warp drive, and gave them to Dr. McCoy as Enterprise sped off to Genesis in the search for Spock. And while on this chain, it should also be mentioned that even though E=MC2 (squared), The TOS episode "The Naked Time" brought up an interesting theory... You can't mix matter and anti-matter cold. That then begs the question, when you collide a proton and an anti-proton together at 842 degrees C, what would that do to E=MC2 (squared)? Did Einstein consider in his famous equation what the temperature of M was in that computation? And if the anti-matter used by the Enterprise was always at 842 degrees C, then when it was used in "Obsession" and "The Immunity Syndrome", was it still at that temperature? (note, Scotty said they needed to raise the anti-matter 842 degrees C, does not necessarily mean that it was at 0 degrees C when he said it which could push the temperature even higher.)
The Trill is one of the things Star Trek really messed up with trying to establish canon. TNG, who are the Trill? We know nothing of them or symbiants... then DS9, Sisko knows plenty of the Trill & Dax, and the Trill are already established within the Federation for a long time. So it comes back to either Dr. Crusher is an incompetent chief medical officer (who are worked at Starfleet Medical in TNG-S2) or that the writers glossed over what they had apparently established earlier with the Trill. I always felt that Dax should have been a different species so not to have continuity errors.
@@chimaican01 Perhaps it is similar to Homo sapiens and Neanderthals on Earth. Perhaps on trill a similar species evolved alongside the trill that can interbreed and accept human symbiont for a limited amount of time.
Considering the vast amount of Star Trek episodes and movies, I feel like they do a pretty good job with inconsistencies. No one's perfect! With that said, I always found it interesting that Klingons had pink blood in Star Trek VI but never again.
Mitchell had known Kirk for years; they were best friends. Mitchell knew about Kirk's propensity for getting his shirts torn; the "R" stands for "Rip." That's my theory, and I'm stickin' to it.
You completely overlooked the fact that in the Dyson Sphere ep, The Genolan had TNG transporter effects, instead of (at the very least) Movie era transporter effects.
Another fun list. Another thing that they leave out about the Trills between TNG and DS9 are things like the fact that Jadzia says that one of her hosts hooks up with McCoy in the 22nd Century (Trials & Tribbleations!). Trills visiting Earth as early as 100+ years before the TNG era. BTW, thanks for the mention of the ENT novel, The Good That Men Do. Great book. The ENT continuation novels are outstanding, from retconning Tucker's death, to the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation. In those books, Tobin Dax is actually assisting the early Federation Starfleet.
Maybe it’s possible for a temporary host to help keep it alive when the trill is healthy. However if it’s been injured it could need to fully join in order to heal itself, just like in Stargate. I don’t think either trill transfer mentioned the health of the symbiont.
A few obvious moments of, possibly intentional, incorrect information. Generations was originally written for Spock and McCoy, but when neither Nimoy nor Kelley opted to appear it was switched to Scotty and Chekov. Thus, it has nothing to do with Ron Moore not remembering his own Relics script, rather circumstances forced him to just ignore it. Terry Farrell was allergic to the prosthetics of the original Trill make-up, which led to them experimenting until they came up with the spots. Absolutely had nothing to do with how attractive Farrell is (a highly sexist remark in itself, frankly). And if we're talking about canon being broken, let's add almost the entirety of DISCO seasons one and two to the list.
No. Saying someone isn’t good enough or as valuable because of their gender is sexist. Saying someone is beautiful and not wanting to cover that beauty up is appreciation for beauty. People don’t go around planting ugly weeds. They plant flowers and good-looking trees. Having a concept of beauty and not wanting to ruin it is just part of being human.
So for number 2 I was thinking 🤔, you could explain the warp 15 in all good things on the Q entity. Q basically created and alternated the timelines that Picard was traveling in.
I've always held the headcanon that, as the ships' speeds increased, the original warp scale became inconvenient to use. Even with Voyager, 3-decimal warp speeds, where those decimals past 9.0 are bigger steps than whole-number increments below it, it'd be unintuitive and difficult to use under pressure. When ships start having speeds in the Warp 9.99X region, and you regularly have to specify Warp factors like 9.995455 or 9.996130, it would make sense to replace the scale with either a linear scale or a different exponent.
That is the easiest explanation. IT would also explain how the Trill could be moved out of the Guy in Next, fairly easily while in DS9 it was said to be for life, or it would kill the Trill symbiot.
In "The House of Quark," the High Council grants Grilka special dispensation to become Head of House because her husband's death was accidental and unforeseen, rather than dying in battle. I just figure that when Gorkon was murdered, the Council likewise granted Azetbur special dispensation to inherit his seat and succeed him as Chancellor.
I'm pretty sure the reason why the Romulans were using Klingon ships was because someone had broken the old Bird of Prey model. Obviously, they've remedied that in the remastered version.
@@LaurenceQuint They replaced one of the three D-7s with a Bird of Prey. I hate it. I don't see such dissimilar ships being flow in a single strike group.
In "The Royale" (TNG), the laws of physics are rewritten when Geordi refers to the conditions on the planet as having a "surface temperature of -291 degrees Celsius" (absolute zero is -273.15°C, by definition it can't be colder than that).
This isn't really a "mistake", per se, but I've always found it funny in "Court Martial" (TOS) when Kirk, describing the ability of the ship to "hear sounds" with its auditory sensors, describes the technique to detect an on board heartbeat on the otherwise empty ship by boosting the auditory sensor "on the order of one to the fourth power". Of course, one to the fourth power (or one to the 100th power or one to the millionth power or any other positive integer) is simply one, so it's not being boosted at all.
O’Brien was a 2 solid pip lieutenant, even addressed by rank, in the first 2 seasons of TNG, but brags in DS9 about being enlisted, with a rank of senior chief.
Yes, TrekCulture didn't clarify it enough. It's not that they can't use a phaser to vaporize something when they're aboard the Enterprise. It's that if they do that, it will set off an alarm.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 She also said no *unauthorized* phaser. Presumably, all those security guards and bridge officers are using phasers that are unlocked for use by authorized personnel.
Regarding the warp speeds, there is fan theory that there are certain "subspace highways" that excite subaspace thus making ships much faster. They are naturally occurring and shift/fade, so when starfleet finds them they use them as much as they can until the go away.
I thought the reason they used a Klingon ship as a Romulan stand in was because the Romulan warbird model, used previous was not available and it was too expensive to build another
Yes, they had lost or accidentally destroyed it and so they wrote into the season that the Romulans and Klingons were going to become allies and the Fed would have to deal with the shift in power in the galaxy. They just never got around to doing anything with it. Later the Romulans and Kingons hated each other in the Next Generation, and even more so in DS9. Maybe it was because of this attempted alliance that this happened. They may have found out they were better enemies than allies due to their great differences in culture
@@imkluu Spock says somethng like, "intelligence indicates Romulans now using Klingon design," but Kirk only speculates that there is an alliance; could just as well be that it was a kind of Cold War, with each side stealing tech from the other, rather than sharing it.
Uh... sure, the name Tiberius wasn't established until the animated series, but the middle initial being T was mentioned eleven times in the original series. It was always intended that his middle initial was supposed to be T, the prop tombstone in WNMHGB was just a mistake. Weirdly, the first person to actually mention his middle initial is Harry Mudd. It's not explained why Mudd knows Kirk better than Mitchell did.
Here's why Scotty thought Kirk was OK: a number of the El-Aurians they rescued were. And Kirk had a reputation of getting out of tight jams. So perhaps while he knew that Kirk was lost to the ribbon, he might've assumed that one day Kirk would get out of it--because others had.
If you look at Janice Lester's actual dialog in "Turnabout Intruder", it doesn't necessarily read as starfleet not allowing women to be captains. The "world of starship captains" could have been referring to Kirk's devotion to his career at the expense of any longterm relationships. Remember he skipped out on Carol Marcus too for that reason. Numerous episodes reveal that the ship is the only thing he loves: "I've already got a female to worry about. Her name's the Enterprise." (The Corbomite Maneuver) "Now I know why it's called 'she'...Never lose you. Never." (The Naked Time) Also, Janice's last line in the scene doesn't make sense if her desire was to be a starship captain. How would she and Kirk "roam the stars together" if they were commanding their own ships? Janice: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair. Kirk: No it isn't, and you punished and tortured me because of it. Janice: I loved you. We could've roamed the stars together.
This is a highly generous read that is overcomplicating the simple fact that the episode was a dreadful piece of shit that was poorly thought out and written. There is no complexity to her character. She's just an old school cliche of the bitter career woman who wishes she was a man. It's bottom rung stereotyping and was extremely common in fiction back then.
@@mingusmofaz5898 Not going to defend the overall plot. It was the last episode of a failing TV series. Still, the assumption that women aren't allowed to be starship captains doesn't really bear out from a reading of what the character actually said.
The two gaffs that always get to me are latinum changing from a solid to a liquid (early episodes referded to various objects being solid latinum and Romm shaving the latinum, both hard to do with a liquid) and the question if the Next Generation eliminated money, what are the stakes in poker? Also notice that in the pilot and several early episodes Data states I'm an androiu.
It's always been "gold-pressed latinum." In "Who Mourns for Morn," Quark discovers that the latinum had been extracted from the gold bricks by snapping those solid gold bricks in half. If the latinum could be extracted from the gold then that means it is originally diffused within the gold, probably suspended in between the gold molecules by some process or other involving high pressure. Which apparently affects the molecular composition of the gold and leaves it rather brittle, since I doubt your average Ferengi could crumble solid gold bars into dust with his bare hands. And since gold-pressed latinum is a solid metal with a liquid metal suspended within its molecular structure, it is possible to shave some off. Enough shavings could then be combined into slips, strips, or bars of their own. As for the name, they simply refer to it just as "latinum" in the same way WC would refer to themselves as UA-camrs rather than UA-cam Streaming Video Presenters: because saying the whole thing all the time is tedious and unnecessary.
I always assumed the "no unauthorized phasers" rule applied more to the authorization part than the firing part. Meaning the two crewmen, were killed by a someone with proper authorization to use a phaser.
Ezri’s statement could MAYBE be interpreted as TRILL can’t be temporary hosts. Maybe there are connections that the symbionts make with the Trill they join with that aren’t possible with non-Trill temporary hosts.
Yeah, they could have easily fixed that loophole in DS9 by saying the trill can merge with different species but maybe jadsia’s race were the originals and most common.
Good list, although I think the phaser issue in Star Trek VI is pretty self explanatory. She specifically says, "UNAUTHORIZED phaser." I would think that armed security personnel would be issued authorized weapons.
From Memory Alpha, the Odan entry... "The difference between this symbiont and ones shown later was explained in the non-canon novel Forged in Fire, which explained that the ridged Trill such as Odan's hosts were the result of a strain of the Klingon augment virus that managed to infect a Trill colony through visiting Klingon traders. However, the Trill seemed not to be interested in working on methods of restoring the original Trill look, with this 'sub-group' having recently, at the time the novel was set, been re-accepted back into Trill society. The novel also revealed that Odan's disinclination to use transporters was simply part of a Trill policy to keep the symbiont's existence secret as the transporter scans would have picked it up; presumably, after the public events of the negotiations Odan participated in while in Riker's body, this policy became less relevant, hence accounting for the ease with which Jadzia Dax transported."
@AngemonRulez guess you didn’t notice that a lot of the episodes mentioned were some of the worst, like turnabout intruder and that salamander from voyager.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo And some were actually really good, so what's your point? Everything in DSC that melts call canon-breaking was either addressed in the series or is easily explained. The only major deviations in DSC are visuals and style, which is simply unavoidable. This is easily proven by Enterprise and it's mish-mosh of current day and future designs that never ever made sense. Because they were hell bent on keeping the look canon it ultimately was a detriment to the show. DSC corrected a lot of this by having tech that is futuristic to us now instead of sticking to canon tech that we already have and is in no way futuristic.
Star Trek fan: "Nooooo a line in Star Trek Discovery contradicts a throwaway line a secondary character said in 1992, they s*it on canon!!1!" This whole list: *"checkmate"*
I look at it this way: People will make mistakes. When making a TV series, continuity errors are almost inevitable. If they're generally doing a good job with continuity, I can forgive a few errors. But if they don't do a good job with continuity and the errors happen frequently, I can't give them a pass. It's just sloppy.
one thing that drove me crazy in TNG was that Trill episode. Crusher was supposed to have been the head of Starfleet medical. Curzon Dax had been a fleet diplomat for decades but the brilliant Beverly knew nothing about his physiology?!? . she suddenly discovers all this only when the guy is hurt.
The use of the "Klingon design" by the Romulans in "The Enterprise Incident" was because the model of the Romulan Bird of Prey from "Balance of Terror" was either lost, stolen, or destroyed (depending on which source you believe) before they got around to doing another Romulan episode, and with the drastically reduced budget of the show for the third season, they couldn't afford to rebuild the model for a one-off episode.
Scotty's Memories is easily explained. I was supposed to be Spock and McKoy, not Scotty and Chekov during that opening scene but Leonard Nimoy did not what to do such a brief cameo and DeForest Kelley's declining health prevented him from reprising the role for the scene.
The Trill look isnt the only problem with the Trill Storyline. The TNG Episode takes place in 2367 and they dont know anything about the Trill, but according to DS9 Sisko and Curzon have been friends since the 2350's and 2367 is actually the year Curzon died.
you MIGHT be able to hand wave that as knowledge of the trill biology not being common knowledge but then why wouldn't Doctor crusher have been told
@@WardNightstone alright but what about Dax's host before Kurzon who judged a competition on Earth and met McCoy before he had his doctorate? According to Dax, she lived through the 23rd century Starfleet and that the Trills were members of the Federation long before that TNG epispde
@@mikahael1 - The Symbiont could have been a closely guarded secret, much like Pon Farr was. It is mentioned in DS9 that there are only a handful of symbionts relative to the population of the Trill Homeworld.
It's just a retcon. They came up with a good idea for DS9, that only affected a single episode of TNG. No biggy.
@@MrThomasCWest if I had a bunch of long-lived slugs which basically enslaved fully-sentient humanoids (their choice, of course, but when you're raised to think it's a great honor & accomplishment to be joined, is it really fully your choice?), I'd hide it from the Federation, too, that kind of thing should've disqualified them from membership, IMHO (both for the enslavement, and the elevation - even if only cultural, not legal - of the joined, over the not-joined)
In TNG the first time they intro The Ferengi Troi can 'read' them just fine, but in later episodes she say that Betazoid's can't 'read' the Ferengi at all. You should do an episode about how many times they ignore Troi's ability because it would disrupt the plot.
Troi does say at the beginning they can shield their minds, but then in the same episode says the ferengi captain is hiding something. Or something like that. So the show ignored the rule in the same episode 😂
Same with Data's super-strength and speed. Could have come in handy about a billion times
@@gentlemanviking2644 well without psychic abilities you can JUST TELL when someone is lying or hiding ... as a counselor she would also need to learn to read people's body language.
Yeah, she was honestly too much of a secret weapon taking TNG into lots of episodes where high gambles had to be done based on her assessment, making her abilities the only way out of certain situations - and at the same time requiring to ignore her abilities quite frequently.
@@gentlemanviking2644 You know that she is still a psychologist and thus can give her opinion on that front?
Interesting list! I think the one about the Klingon Language can be explained very easily. The Klingons could easily have multiple languages. In fact, it's implausible that they would only have one language.
Agreed. Also, languages can evolve considerably in almost 100 years.
I mean how many different forms and dialects of English alone are there, let alone all the other regional languages just from humans? It's always been interesting that all members of every race in Star Trek all seem to speak the same language. I know universal translators and all, but you get the idea. No reason that different members of the same race could not have different words and phrases for the same thing.
@@Trueflights : A common language. A science language. An engineering language.
Absurd levels of single monolithic cultures, languages, and ecosystems is a sometimes aggravating aspect of science fiction and fantasy settings IMO.
One of my favorite scenes of Babylon 5 is where Commander Sinclair shows off the "dominant" belief system of Earth. He assembles about a 100 different people of different religions, showing that we are a diverse species.
Also about Trills: In TNG, the symbiont completely takes over the personality. in DS9, the host personality prevails with influence from the symbiont.
I always found it odd that Dr Crusher slept with the Trill while her Commander was right there with them. Even if Riker wasn't really in control of his body, he would still experience and remember what happened with Beverly that night. (Not to talk about the fact that he seemed to be in great pain for the whole time of being in an unfitting host but still was able to enjoy a night with Dr Crusher)
@@LeoTheDarkAngel rikers body has been used 3 times to sleep with women lol.
@@jamesbizs I did not know that
In some of the beta cannon, Scotty says he was told by Guinan that Kirk was in the nexus and was, in a way, still alive. This was partly what gave Scotty the idea to use the transporter to save himself. When he was rescued by the Enterprise, he remained hopeful that Kirk had come back from the nexus
I had always thought that the percentage lost was that memory of Kirk being lost. Because really, would you want to keep that memory of your friend? That he died doing what you had suggested?
@@tonsilsthecat3430 in pretty sure slowly degrading in the transporter buffer for decades is a horrible existence and the worst way to die. (poor Franklin degraded faster.)
I think it's merely a case of being disoriented which is very reasonable within the context of the episode
Yeah, you can easily write that off as Scotty being severely discombubulated after fighting for his survival on a failing ship and then being reconstructed from decade old patterns into an unfamiliar environment. That would be like waking up from a fever dream. You would need a few minutes (at least) to collect yourself before you're fully there.
In interviews, the writers of Generations stated that they were fully aware that putting Scotty in the movie where Kirk "dies" would contradict the episode Relics, but they did it anyway because fans would enjoy seeing Scotty again.
Fact Check: Concerning Terry Farrell and the redesign of the Trill host species. The look was changed as Farrell has extremely sensitive skin, and the heavy Trill makeup caused her to have an allergic reaction, hence the painted on leopard-like spots were introduced instead.
I like this explanation more then the lame 'she was too pretty to cover up'. :)
It's both and another consideration. Actors like to be seen. They also like paychecks. A very well known actor might not mind playing Rubberface Alien of the Week, but if you're not famous, you want face time. OTOH, you want to pay your bills.
Terry probably asked for reduced makeup, they said, you're right, we need attractive women, etc. Don't forget time is money and they probably try to keep non-camera prep time down.
So it was a win-win.
Besides, the trills themselves, as a species may have different rases...
Just to put this out there, and feel free to disagree with me if you wish, I always saw this as the symbiotes were compatible with several different species of humanoids. Given that, no need to be too slavish to one look.
Where did you hear about the skin? Farrell said that it was because she was pretty and that forehead ridge covered her face.
In TOS Turnabout Intruder, I got the idea that Janice Lester was rejected by StarFleet not because she was a woman, but because she was a specific woman. In the way that someone slighted often blames things that were never *really* responsible, Janice was blaming StarFleet for rejecting her and generalized that to believe they reject women in general. Considering how few women we see in command in the Star Trek universe, it might be easy to get away with such observations. The last line "being as rich as any woman's" could simply mean that Kirk felt she could have made a life for herself in spite of not commanding a Starship. When Janice said "Your StarFleet does not take women," she was seemingly ill. Perhaps Kirk did not correct her because he knew it would start an argument that Janice seemed in no shape to participate. It may have been that Janice failed her entry exams or was somehow otherwise unqualified. Kirk, rather that asserting she was a failure, let her believe that StarFleet was biased so as to not upset her. All of this is perhaps RetCon speculation and none of it was specifically stated. But then again, the conversations between the characters seem a bit vague also.
This is a well-reasoned argument, but no one is going to buy it because it's so much easier just to say it was sexist against women the way everyone does about everything today.
@@hardtfelt No, it's sexist because the show-runner himself, the cast, and plenty of people more knowledgeable about Trek than you have admitted it was sexist and that they regret making the episode. Are you accusing Roddenberry of lying?
Some things are just fucking sexist man, deal with it. Christ.
I also have no idea how people with your attitude watch Trek, considering that for over fifty years now it has consistently shat all over your beliefs as being archaic and backwards.
I find it to be a good explanation. However, TOS did have issues with sexism; that's why they had to make a 2nd pilot episode, because the network couldn't handle Number One being a woman.
@@Van9fromOuterSpace oh, no disagreement there. This was definitely a product of the times.
It's a matter of training. When a woman becomes qualified by rising through the ranks, she can. It was not something women aspired to originally, thus it was not thought of as "normal".
I would explain Scotty by saying he was so amazed that the ship named Enterprise rescued him that he was like “next thing you’re gonna tell me is that Jim is alive and the one who came looking for me.”
It could be that or it could be that Scotty has seen Kirk pull off impossible seeming rescues so often that he just assumes that's the only way he'd ever get out of the transporter.
"Oh, Kirk didn't die after all, obviously. I mean, it's not like we ever found a body. I can't wait to hear how he got back in command of the Enterprise and decided to lead the rescue mission."
My head-canon of Turnabout Intruder was that Janice Lester was psychologically unstable to begin with, maybe along the lines of Borderline Personality Disorder. In addition to the Saratoga having a female captain, so did the Columbia NX-02 a century earlier. If she was that unstable, she wouldn't have been able to make it through command training or maybe even the academy itself, and it makes sense that she would blame others for her failings rather than work on her issues.
That is my take on the episode as well. Janice Lester was blaming others versus working on herself.
a modern day feminist in the far flung future, blaming men and society for her own failures as a person.
My take was that no woman had a place in Kirk's personal world of being a starship captain. Janice Lester is far from the only woman he passed up in favor of his career. Carol Marcus too.
Janice you can't be a starship captain
It's because I'm a woman
It's because you're crazy
Women aren't admitted
We also can’t forget the mentality of the time. Even thought Gene Roddenberry’s vision was of a world without prejudice, you can can clearly see the difference in the way people thought from TOS (60’s) to TNG (80s). Given that ENT was written in 2000s, it would bring about some struggles trying to create something prior to TOS without compromising the equality that we have now.
I feel that attributing psychological instability to Janice would be a good excuse to counteract this issue.
Spock was said to be an only child in TOS to prevent endless script suggestions of Spock's brothers, sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters...until Sybok in STAR TREK V.
Not to mention an adopted sister
Does Star Trek V really count anyway? If you take it out so many inconsistencies just fall away.
@@IceWolfLoki Theres a fan-theory that the evens of Star Trek V never really happened and it was all just Kirk living out his dream (being the heroic Captain , defeating God, endless decks on the Enterprise...etc) whilst he's still trapped in the Nexus. Mind you, that would fuck up the brilliant 'Undiscovered Country' if true.
And She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named
@@IceWolfLoki it’s a myth that Roddenberry declared it non-canon. It’s as canon as everything else (except TAS)
I have a book, The nitpickers guide for next generation trekkers, it points out more then ten from each episode of just TNG
And we're all Very Well Aware that Voyager Cannot even follow its own plot in ANY given episode!
@@worldtraveler930 😂😂😂😂 Voyager cannot catch a break🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great book! I've got it too. Episode synopsis are pretty good and continuity errors too
The Nitpicker's Guide For Classic Trekkers is just as gold.
Also have that book. I've had the chance to meet the author a couple times. He's genuinely very funny.
I don't know the middle names of any of my friends or professors from college, so I always told myself that Gary Mitchell simply guessed Krk's middle initial. Kirk would have corrected him, but he was too busy trying not to die.
Most people would not, but Mitchell was the Enterprise's XO and presumably would be familiar with Kirk's personnel file. Also one of his abilities he picked up on the way to godlike powers was extreme memory retention.
LOL
on top of the fact that getting juiced up with god powers clearly effected his brain. he was not in the right mind.
Another "misteak" concerning the Trill is that Odan refused to use the transporter saying it would damage the symbeont, but Jadzia and Esry transported all the time!!!!
@@henrytimbrook4687 That one is easy to explain, though. The Trill were hiding that they were two species. Using the transporter would have revealed the existence of the symbiote. It was not damage they were worried about.
Of course, they also see 3em to have re-connect the idea nobody knew about the symbiosis until Odon's body died on the Enterprise, but Sisko had been aware of Dax's nature before that.
The barrier surrounds our galaxy, not 'the universe'.
I agree wholeheartedly, covering Terry Farrel's face would have been irredeemable.
also lowere production costs as the spots had to be cheaper to do for a series then the full face appliance
What does this say about Michael Dorn? :(
Agreed, also the spots are good enough. Easy to recognize amongst all the other forehead ridges in star trek.
Yet, the argument I hear from Discovery haters is that the change to the Klingons is unforgivable. At least the TNG Klingons and the Disco Klingons have some resemblances to each other. No one now is complaining about the changes between the TOS Klingons to the Movie/TNG era Klingons, and how drastic that is or by the how Trills have changed between TNG and DS9. In both cases, those changes are so drastic that they seem like completely different species.
Further, there was no in story explanations given for either changes at the time, and the Trill change has still yet to be addressed. At least Kurtzman and crew have stated that the Disco Klingons are of a more ancient bloodline.
These arguments to me are extremely reactionary, close minded, and completely against the nature of ST's ideology.
@@retromillenium i like the disco Klingons, I just had to watch the seasons again and actually pay more attention.
On Generations, the original script did not include Scotty and Chekov at all, and therefore created no errors.
They intended on it being Spock and Bones. DeForest Kelly was physically unable to appear, and Leonard Nimoy declined because he felt his lines could have been delivered by any random person and didn't feel like Spock.
So they kept the script the same but reassigned the lines to the other 2, which proved Nimoy correct.
Kelley said publicly that he followed Nimoy’s lead in declining to appear in Generations. He was well enough to appear at a convention I attended in Pasadena in 1996.
Takei too (and Nichols) likely followed Nimoy's "lead". The whole notion of an on-screen gathering of two Enterprise crews some three-quarters-century-plus apart was just the boneheaded idea of studio 'suits' who do not care a whit about the integrity of continuity, versimilitude, and other notions of the creative process.
3:15 The keyword you're missing is "unauthorized", in a security situation then the ship's security force and command-level officers are authorized to use phasers on high stun or greater.
Question. Why is it that when there is any unauthorized, shuttle launch, transporter use, firing a torpedo, etc. Whom ever is at the com, tells the captain and the captain says stop what ever is unauthorized. Never gets it stopped in time. Shouldn't it be a standing order to stop it automatically?
Has anyone discussed why they would assemble B4 without hesitation after the problems with Lore?
The Federation's complete inability to understand even the most basic of safety protocols is sometimes a bit much, even for an adventure program.
They tear him apart later (after Nemesis, before Star Trek Picard). No Data coming back or anything. Those pre-Pine movie comics aren't canon, so Data never comes back in B4.
Putting him together in the first place? Well, I think Data seen B4 having a rather cleaned out mind, so he decided to try and copy to him to give him a personality (which never worked). He did actually deactivate him at one point, not trusting him, but then Picard probably knew it wasn't B4's own fault for the disaster. It was the writer's fault.
They probably figured B4 was safe as long as he didn't have a type L phase discriminating amplifier.
PICARD: Could it be Lore?
DATA: No, sir. My brother's positronic brain has a type L phase discriminating amplifier. Mine is a type R.
@@Raja1938 Ahh, type R. - Picard
@@patrickmccurry1563 Yes. Apparently seat belts and fuses are technologies that do not exist in that continuum.
Could Scotty not have been sarcastic? Hearing the name of his old ship after such a long time, he'd just quip something like "OH? THAT ship?? And I'm sure you've also got the ghost of my former Captain helping find me?"
When they leave the galaxy in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", I make it work in my head by just assuming that they went a different direction, since space is three-dimensional. Maybe its a shorter distance to the edge of the galaxy if you go "upwards" instead of "left" or "right" (simplification of directions), since the galaxy is a disk, not a sphere.
Good point. It absolutely is. Still weeks or months away by the speeds stated on Voyager, but definitely a lot closer for the speed of Plot to hand wave.
@@dembones5005 Definitely! I definitely assume that they had been traveling for weeks or months and had finally made it to the edge - close enough that it's not ridiculous to send people out there, but far enough that it makes sense that they were some of the first people to encounter the effects of the galaxy's barrier.
Exactly what I was thinking
He’s it’s 3D but you ain’t getting to the edge by going up. Milky Way is 1000ly thick but 100,000ly wide. Only problem is, there is nothing up or down, as everything spun to the sides. Might as well be flat for galactic reasons. Star systems and such? Sure, you can go up and down. But anything beyond that? You’re in empty between galaxy space.
Oh I like that explanation!
I was thinking that, since the universe is constantly expanding, the Milky Way Galaxy would be much larger by the time of VOY than it was in TOS, therefore it would take longer to travel across.
What about beaming through shields? In the same episode with Scotty (Relics) they beam right through the Genolan's shields before it is crushed.
I always thought you were able to beam out through shields but not in ie Scotty beamed Ambassador Fox down to Emeniar7 without lowering his shields and subjecting the ship to attack
In "The Wounded", O'Brien was able to beam through shields by timing the sensor cycle or some other technobabble:
RIKER: He'd never drop his shields and allow you to transport on board.
O'BRIEN: The Phoenix is using a high energy sensor system. It cycles every five point five minutes. Between cycles there's a window of a fiftieth of a second. Trust me, I can get through.
Funny thing is they came so close to actually doing it right, because they already were timing things, so they should have had the Jenolan lower shields, energise the transporters, and fire the torpedoes in one go.
It's not strange if it depends on the sheald tech and the transporter tech and knowledge of frequensis and such. I would say invisibilty cloaks also is realative to the enemy sensors...
"You can't beam thru shields. Except when you can."
Star Trek overall has really missed a trick with these racial continuity hiccups. What a missed opportunity to hand wave it with the notion that regional areas of planets, especially M class worlds with diverse environments, have superficial differences in appearance. If you wanted to risk being preachy you could even point out the superficial differences in humans. Humans evolved different eyelids, different hands (webbed or not), different hair types, different skin tones, and even different fur coverage and patterns on our body hair, all based on environmental advantages.
How hard is it to believe some klingons didn't have ridges? Or that some trill were spotted etc etc. Worf should have said, "Those Klingons are from the southern hemisphere."
Star Trek: Picard finally explained the Romulan's head ridges/no head ridges that way. A ridged Romulan is described as a "Northerner," by a smooth Romulan.
@@Swiftbow it was both a simple and elegant way to wrap that inconsistency up :)
For Klingons that unfortunately doesn't work as Kang, Koloth and Korr were shown without ridges in TOS and later shown with them in DS9. But fortunately Enterprise did a great explanation on it within canon.
To quote the Ninth Doctor, "Lots of planets have a north."
Re: Scotty's memories: The answer is simple: He assumed that Kirk somehow came back. (I know that the real explanation was that his lines in Relics were written before Generations was filmed).
In Star Trek: Generations, Kirk is pulled into the Nexus because it 'collided' with the portion of the Enterprise where he was standing, BUT...Soran couldn't fly into the Nexus with a ship, as was suggested, because it would destroy the ship. But he would have still ended up in the Nexus, so who cares if the ship was destroyed.
Same argument for Soran wanting to get back into the Nexus. He had been pulled into it because a ship he was on 'collided' with it. The ship was destroyed, but Soran was in the Nexus, before being pulled out by a transporter. Again, why didn't he just get a ship and fly back into the Nexus on his own.
That's not contradicting previously established lore. That's the movie contradicting itself. The whole nexus thing was not well developed.
Star Trek VI was what, 100 years before TNG? Maybe in that time frame, they decided the alarms were just too much to deal with. Maybe instead of setting off an alarm, a computer entry in made in a log somewhere of where and when the a phaser was fired in case they need to figure it out.
Kirk's middle initial WAS given as T. in TOS ep Tomorrow is Yesterday when interrogated by the USAF Colonel, played by Ed Peck, (who went on to play Police Officer Kirk in Happy Days)
Yes, they frequently called him "James T. Kirk" over the course of the series. The Animated Series episode "Bem" and Star Trek VI only told us what the "T" stood for.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 effing bem...annoying sob lol
As did I believe the Novel of Star Trek: The Motion Picture
IT IS POSSIBLE HE PUT THE R ON THE TOMBSTONE AS A FORM OF INSULT
Well in defense of Scotty, the TNG episode was filmed years before the movie Generations. Further, we also can take into consideration of Scotty's age in Generations. He's in his retirement as quoted in the TNG episode (he's on his way to a retirement colony) so we can assume that the Enterprise-B incident happened many years prior and perhaps his memory is becoming foggy, or just the plain explanation, in his excitement of being rescued and hearing the name Enterprise, had a lapse in memory. Either way, writing of the TNG script happened before the movie script.
About Scotty, I read that the original script for Generations required for Spock, and not Scotty, to witness Kirk's death. Scotty wasn't even supposed to be there, but when Leonard Nimoy wasn't available, producers called James Doohan.
But generations came out after relics... so they kept the script the same and just put Scotty in.
Actually Leonard Nimoy told the NO in no uncertain terms. But, yeah, you're right about the rest.
It was originally supposed to be both Spock & McCoy, which is why the dialogue seemed a bit out of character for Scotty & Chekov at times.
How they consistently forget that the shuttles have separate power systems and buit in transporters.
"Oh no transporters are down!"
"Uh captain we have 20 more in the shuttle bay."
You could do several episodes on the stupid waste of technology the transporter is. Reset any disease, erase time damage to cells, duplicate any item by 'reusing' the buffer signal. It's dumb...
I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO HAVE MY SKELETON REPLCAED WITH A TERMINATOR T-800 SKELETON. EASILY DONE WITH TRANSPORTER TECH
In 1965, they wanted to avoid all the nerds nitpicking them to death about atmospheric flight and to be Future Cool, Dude.
They didn't think it all the way through. First, the single most important consideration, bar none, is the dramatic function (which it destroys).
Got a prob, Jimmy boy? "Scotty, save my ass!"
End of story. Oops.
Sooooo...every week, they beam down, get clunked, and have their communicators seized.
Not to mention that transporting kills you. This has been discussed at length for decades. You step in for the very first time and your next stop is the Afterlife. WTF??? There's no user warning, either. Meanwhile, You Prime is thoroughly convinced You are still You, but You are Not You - You are Dead.
Then, You' beams back up and Spock greets You". Incidentally, Spock is not Spock, either, he's Spock^567.
But You^N is blissfully unaware of all this, just as Spock^M hasn't a clue Sarek's baby boy died a long time ago.
Whether or not the People^Z get an Afterlife - dunno. Maybe it's one soul per customer.
Anyhow, it kills drama and everybody who uses it. I'm going to Risa, nonetheless.
Range?
@@JESL_TheOnlyOne This has been debunked many times mate. Thats not how transporters work. I get it you want this grim darkness, but no
I like to think that that "if only..." isn't related to being a woman but to her psicological problems, a man like her wouldn't have become a captain either, probably wouldn't even become an officer.
Could be retconned as Kirk having two middle names. Mitchell references the R instead of the T.
Another possibility is Mitchell has a twisted sense of humor and wanted Kirk’s initials JRK to basically basically spell JerK.
Or they made a simple error.
The thing that always bugs me is the episode in TNG when they find out warp technology is essentially destroying space. Starfleet then puts warp speed limits on their ships, which they do refer to several more times in TNG, but (I'm pretty sure) is completely ignored in DS9 and Voyager.
Voyager's folding warp nacelles were mentioned to be designed that way specifically to avoid damaging subspace. Writing themselves *out* of a corner they wrote themselves *into* doesn't correct bad writing, it just papers over the cracks.
Didn't they establish that A. Maximum warp was to be used only in emergencies and B. Later starship designs were meant to address that problem? Like with the Intrepid class.
This can easily be fixed. The Voyager episode The Omega directive explained the substance omega destroyed subspace and that starfleet was experimenting with it which resulted in a section of space being forbidden for warping through due to an accident.
The writers just needed to slip in an episode mentioning that initially it was believed to be warp drives but later discovered it was omega. Easily fixed.
It wasn´t completely ignored in DS9. In the episode "Little green men", where Quark, Rom and Nog travel to Earth, it is mentioned, when Quark wants that Rom flies faster than the speed limit.
the beginning of wokness
It's not really "times ST broke its own rules", it's just continuity errors.
There are different kinds of continuity errors. Production goofs - the amount of water changes in the glass between shots! - and ignoring story points. This list is the latter.
@@LaurenceQuint
I agree. There are flagrant resets and then there are goofs.
If the Scotty thing bothers you, then think about it like this: the dude had been stuck in a pattern buffer for 70 years. That’s gonna play merry hell with your mind. We already know transporter psychosis is thing (thanks Barclay) and that the transporter historically HAS messed with peoples brain pan. Who knows what a length of time in a beam will do to ya? Hope this helps.
I mean my headcannon was something like Scott going "well geez, if they pulled out an "Enterprise" maybe HE came back, he came back a LOT when we'd thought him dead. --or maybe what died wasn't the real kirk, maybe a robot or a clone, or evil universe copy...etc..." (--extending from presumtion they maybe retire the ship name after losing its original captain, like teams sometimes retire a jersey number.. something like that)
The one thing about this is with your molecules seperated for so long, how would you know how much time has passed.
Oh, you missed a HUGE one! In "The Wrath of Khan", Chekov is the one who recognizes and remembers Khan. But he wasn't yet part of the crew when "Space Seed", the episode of TOS that was the basis for the movie, was aired. So he never met Khan, and couldn't possibly have recognized him. With all due respect to Walter Koenig, his part in this movie ought by rights have gone to George Takei as Sulu, who WAS part of the crew in that episode and could well have recognized Khan.
Koenig has a long-running joke that Chekov wasn't on the bridge yet, but that he was on the lower decks. And he met Khan by accident by taking a bathroom that Khan really needed.
I think the reason Chekov was chosen to be the character on the other ship was because he was the youngest, and the least likely to be reassigned to trainng ops at the Academy. Also... if we're considering TAS, Chekov may have been reassigned once before.
The Trill spots first showed up on a non-Trill in the TNG episode 5.21 The Perfect Mate.
I remember when DS9 came out I had just finished a TNG rewatch and almost immediately went, "hang on a moment..."
Kamala was not a trill but Kriosian
@@melanieszelong4664 Yeah, a non-Trill, as I said. But she did have those spots, or something very closely resembling them.
Apparently beautiful women have spots : Terry and Famke
Maybe the whole thing with scottie was that he always had hope that kirk would escape like he did in all their other adventures
The change to Kirk's middle initial from R to T (as well as Sulu changing from physicist to helmsman) is actually simple: between the events of the pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and the rest of the series, there was the actual first discovery of the "Guardian of Forever". They came away from that without any "catastrophic" changes to history, but there were a few "minor" alterations covering the previous few decades that went unnoticed - KIrk's parents giving him the middle name "Tiberius" instead of "Rabelaise", Sulu choosing a different career path in Star Fleet, as well as the encounter with the Guardian itself being forgotten. Oh, and _Star Trek_ being renewed for a third season, instead of cancellation after the second taking hold, while _Assignment: Earth_ had been bought as a series and ran for 12 years (although Robert Lansing left after the first season and was replaced by Christopher Walken), only finally being sunk when Robbie Rist joined the cast in season 12.
9:03 Is no one going to point out the.... strange way the officer in red is sitting?
I'm here because Terry Farrell is in the thumbnail.
Valid
Scotty's exclamation of Kirk coming to save the day with the old Enterprise was a kind of exaggerated statement of hyperbole and a level of disbelief at what had just happened. Also, how many times has Jim Kirk cheated death?
2:46 Voyager S5:E14 Bliss; 7 of 9 stuns B'Elanna and the Engineering crew and the next line is Harry on the bridge saying "We've got phaser fire in Engineering." They can sense it. They're just not always watching.
In other words "Ummm, actually..." 🤓
they basically switched to silent alarms.
In That which Survives the Enterprise is sent over 7000 light years away and returns in about a day. So Voyager should have been home in less than 2 weeks easy.
I have a friend who wanted to get into Trek and asked me what order to watch. I told her TNG, then DS9 (with an overlap schedule I have), then Voyager, then TOS, then Enterprise.
She asked why I put TOS so far down the list, I told her that it makes a lot more sense continuity wise if you ignore TOS and watch the big 3 first.
I just assumed in Scotty's case, 75 years in the transporter buffer scrambled his memories a bit at first
I think I read somewhere that Terry Farrel had a reaction to the prosthesis. I also remember seeing test footage of her in makeup more similar to the TNG Trill look.
There are a few pics out there of her different make-up, but it's still a very simplified version of the original Trill makeup.
The spots were not "born" because of Terry Farrell. Famke Jansen sported them when she played Kamala in Next Gen episode "The Perfect Mate."
It is possible that they didn't want to cover Farrell, but the spots predate her.
Ms. Jansen wasn’t a Trill day n the perfect mate. They just used the make up from that ep on Terri
Another one: Being able to go to warp inside a solar system.
In TOS they often went to warp directly from planetary orbit.
@@arnoldfossman1701 And then we have DS9 where it somehow sends Quark back in time
@@AstralArbourSys If I recall correctly the time shift had something to do with either a problem with the ship's drive, or the cargo that was on the ship.
@@arnoldfossman1701 Oh you're right my bad
@@AstralArbourSys I've been rewatching DS9 (again) and it just so happens that the next episode that I watched was the one with Quark going back in time. LOL
Chekov points out the alarm seems to only detect if something was vaporized when they find the two dead Crewmen. So the alarm might be less an unauthorized use of a phaser, than an unauthorized vaporization.
*bit late for an alarm to go off after something or someone has/had been vaporized when you think about it*
@@scottmantooth8785 and it took a while for the security team to show up.
@@joermnyc *guess using the site to site transporter function in a tactical manner was never considered*
It's almost like there were dozens of writers writing hundreds of episodes and a dozen movies spanning over 40 years, and no one bothered to keep it all straight.
Thats why you have showrunners who should be looking over scripts and saying "this here is fine, but that can't happen, rewrite that".
@@celt67 It's hard enough to write a good story without being constrained by fact checking against 700 hours of material.
*insert Star Trek Discovery reference here*
Star Trek had a tough enough time keeping continuity within a single episode.
In early TOS, Kirk refers to the enterprise as part of the United Earth space fleet (or some fool thing), then in a later episode he calls it Uespa, then in a later episode it's Starfleet. It keeps changing and changing. Talk about making crap up as you go.
United Earth Space Probe Agency 😄
Discovery and Picard break the rules of Star Trek many many times over. This should have been called '10 Times Star Trek Broke Its Own Rules Pre-Kurtzman Era'. Otherwise, great list!
It would seem they are in good company then.
Star Trek has always retconned nearly every episode of every series. It's that the recent series change loved aspects of canon for unappealing reasons or no reason at all other than to be edgy.
@@patrickmccurry1563 im sorry, what, a couple swears? big deal. The show is fun, it's not your star trek, just like tng wasn't your fathers star trek. People were just as mad about tng as they are about discovery, sit back, have fun, enjoy the addition. Let's have fun with this new addition to the group. If you stop being mad for 5 seconds, you might be able to actually enjoy it, gasp! Im teasing you ofc, but, honestly. Do you really think that the original trek was not thought of as edgy? Keep dreaming, they loved it edgy. Will dicvoery have trip ups and not succeed EVERY storyline, sure, none of the series have a flawless resume. lol we love them regardless. I have enjoyed every bit of discovery. I would have liked a different reason for the burn, but, it isn't what i wanted oh well. I've still had a blast watching. I can't wait to see what they do next!
@@patrickmccurry1563 Awww, poor thing. Still can't accept DSC is a hit watched by millions of people who love every part of it.
@@Dropla Only one problem... even if I set aside my hatred towards how I believe they have ruined the franchise, I still think it is poor quality television. I respect your opinion, you enjoy this type of TV and I understand that. I just don’t.
Relics came out years before Generations! Since the "mistake" is in Relics, how could Scotty have known than 10 years later someone would decide that Kirk disappeared 10 years earlier?
If by years you mean 2, relics in 1992 and generations in 1994, by the same writer...
@@jayman2519 Yes, but still: How should either the writer or James Doohan have known in 1992's episode Relics the events of 1994's Star Trek: Generations? The problem is that Relics was written earlier. Same writer or not, that problem cannot be avoided other than by editing the line about Kirk out of 'Relics' or excluding Kirk from 'Generations'.
Thanks for doing this video so people realize that Trek has never been as consistent as they think
Hey Trek Culture, learn the difference between "galaxy" and "universe."
You should talk about TOS pilot episode. Many believe it to be canon, however, it has several things in it that are impossible (Spock smiling, ray guns, etc.).
Klingon blood went form red to pink [Star Trek VI] and back to red again.
this ^^^ out of all the gaffs its the pink/red klingon blood that annoys me the most!
@@adamlips1711 Yeah, it's annoying to introduce something as a clue to resolve the plot, but the clue itself breaks from the past and then disappears as if never a thing again.
Why cant the Klingons have different languages just like we do on earth?
The simplicity of story telling.
Most planets have one climate, one language, one general appearance one narrow culture usually based around a simple attribute.
Vulcan: Logic
Klingon: Aggression
Ferengi: Greed
Romulan: Spying/Control.
A one world government enforcing a single language as the official language leaving any others to be forgotten or practiced in secret.
This is actually a huge pet peeve of mine! It's one of the few things I really couldn't stand about Babylon 5, which is otherwise really good at making the alien cultures feel plausible, just alien.
Don't get me started on warp drive!
Data said the Enterprise "at warp 9" was 9,000c
Paris said Voyager's top-speed was 22,000c
On Undiscovered Country, the Enterprise top speed was 350,000c
yes, warp speed ratings is one of the greatest inconsistencies in Star Trek.
The rule of thumb they adhered to (in theory) on TNG was that warp factors up to warp nine were raised to the power 3 to get their c equivalent.
In Enterprise they increased it to the power 4.321.
The warp speed issue... Once upon a time in "The Tholian Web", Spock figured out how to drive into interdimensionally through space, which jumped the Enterprise out of the Tholian Web and 2.72 parsecs distant. In the novel for Star Trek III, it was written that the NX-2000 Excelsior was a trans-warp drive ship, meaning that it could jump interdimensionally, and obtain speed factors higher than warp 10 (taken from Spock's theoretical work.
Let's also remember that in "That Which Survives", the Enterprise managed warp 14 before Scotty could seal the out of phase condition. And in "By Any Other Name" the Kelvans modified the Enterprise to go even faster than warp 11.
It was also theorized that the TOS warp scale was a different formula for computing speed, and that the TNG scale was exponentially higher than TOS was, as stated in the Star Trek Technical Manuals published at the time. I would theorize then, that the TOS warp scale was early physicists guestimates from JPL, where TNG was based on newer computations worked out 20 years later, also from JPL, and further analysis of Einstein's theories. We all know how Gene liked to be as close to real as possible.
It was rumored that the trans-warp capability of NX-2000 Excelsior didn't work out, and so it was stripped out. and turned into Sulu's Excelsior.
And it should be noted that NX-2000 was the first known TOS ship that used optical chips that we know of. Probably borrowed from TNG. Scotty took out optical chips from Excelsior to break her warp drive, and gave them to Dr. McCoy as Enterprise sped off to Genesis in the search for Spock.
And while on this chain, it should also be mentioned that even though E=MC2 (squared), The TOS episode "The Naked Time" brought up an interesting theory... You can't mix matter and anti-matter cold. That then begs the question, when you collide a proton and an anti-proton together at 842 degrees C, what would that do to E=MC2 (squared)? Did Einstein consider in his famous equation what the temperature of M was in that computation? And if the anti-matter used by the Enterprise was always at 842 degrees C, then when it was used in "Obsession" and "The Immunity Syndrome", was it still at that temperature? (note, Scotty said they needed to raise the anti-matter 842 degrees C, does not necessarily mean that it was at 0 degrees C when he said it which could push the temperature even higher.)
I heard the main reason for changing the trill’s makeup was Terry Farrel’s skin was to sensitive for the prosthetic so they change it to spots
The Trill is one of the things Star Trek really messed up with trying to establish canon. TNG, who are the Trill? We know nothing of them or symbiants... then DS9, Sisko knows plenty of the Trill & Dax, and the Trill are already established within the Federation for a long time. So it comes back to either Dr. Crusher is an incompetent chief medical officer (who are worked at Starfleet Medical in TNG-S2) or that the writers glossed over what they had apparently established earlier with the Trill. I always felt that Dax should have been a different species so not to have continuity errors.
@@chimaican01 Perhaps it is similar to Homo sapiens and Neanderthals on Earth. Perhaps on trill a similar species evolved alongside the trill that can interbreed and accept human symbiont for a limited amount of time.
Considering the vast amount of Star Trek episodes and movies, I feel like they do a pretty good job with inconsistencies. No one's perfect!
With that said, I always found it interesting that Klingons had pink blood in Star Trek VI but never again.
They couldn't afford that much Pepto Bismol a second time?
One explanation of the "R" on the tombstone, was that Mitchell substituted the R for Rat, as a final insult b4 killing Kirk
Works for me
Mitchell had known Kirk for years; they were best friends. Mitchell knew about Kirk's propensity for getting his shirts torn; the "R" stands for "Rip."
That's my theory, and I'm stickin' to it.
You completely overlooked the fact that in the Dyson Sphere ep, The Genolan had TNG transporter effects, instead of (at the very least) Movie era transporter effects.
It's stated in the Star Trek Voyager IMDb page that Threshold isn't considered cannon.
Every aired episode is canon.
In between Star Trek 6 and SNG a Phasers rights Advocacy group known as the NPA successfully lobbied for deregulating the strict Phaser ownership laws
The Romulan cloaking device thing is just the sneaky, duplicitous Romulans being sneaky and duplicitous.
Another fun list. Another thing that they leave out about the Trills between TNG and DS9 are things like the fact that Jadzia says that one of her hosts hooks up with McCoy in the 22nd Century (Trials & Tribbleations!). Trills visiting Earth as early as 100+ years before the TNG era.
BTW, thanks for the mention of the ENT novel, The Good That Men Do. Great book. The ENT continuation novels are outstanding, from retconning Tucker's death, to the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation. In those books, Tobin Dax is actually assisting the early Federation Starfleet.
the thing with the trill, Riker was also human and having massive graft verses host
However in Star Trek: Discovery the character Adria is a human who plays host to a Trill symbiont.
@@rotunnoe they also had something like 800 years to sort out that problem, still a bad idea though
@@rotunnoe everything else aside, her blending didn't go well either and it takes a trip to the Trill homeworld to "fix" her.
Maybe it’s possible for a temporary host to help keep it alive when the trill is healthy. However if it’s been injured it could need to fully join in order to heal itself, just like in Stargate. I don’t think either trill transfer mentioned the health of the symbiont.
@@rotunnoe I hate that they did that... why not just make a trill character?
A few obvious moments of, possibly intentional, incorrect information. Generations was originally written for Spock and McCoy, but when neither Nimoy nor Kelley opted to appear it was switched to Scotty and Chekov. Thus, it has nothing to do with Ron Moore not remembering his own Relics script, rather circumstances forced him to just ignore it. Terry Farrell was allergic to the prosthetics of the original Trill make-up, which led to them experimenting until they came up with the spots. Absolutely had nothing to do with how attractive Farrell is (a highly sexist remark in itself, frankly).
And if we're talking about canon being broken, let's add almost the entirety of DISCO seasons one and two to the list.
No. Saying someone isn’t good enough or as valuable because of their gender is sexist. Saying someone is beautiful and not wanting to cover that beauty up is appreciation for beauty. People don’t go around planting ugly weeds. They plant flowers and good-looking trees. Having a concept of beauty and not wanting to ruin it is just part of being human.
Calling a woman beautiful isn't any more sexist than calling a flower or painting beautiful. Don't be an idiot.
@@thesullivanstreetproject Exactly! Terry Farrell was (and may still be, for all I know) quite pretty. It's just a fact.
So for number 2 I was thinking 🤔, you could explain the warp 15 in all good things on the Q entity. Q basically created and alternated the timelines that Picard was traveling in.
I've always held the headcanon that, as the ships' speeds increased, the original warp scale became inconvenient to use. Even with Voyager, 3-decimal warp speeds, where those decimals past 9.0 are bigger steps than whole-number increments below it, it'd be unintuitive and difficult to use under pressure. When ships start having speeds in the Warp 9.99X region, and you regularly have to specify Warp factors like 9.995455 or 9.996130, it would make sense to replace the scale with either a linear scale or a different exponent.
Perhaps there are two different Trill races, both with symbiotes.
Oowe~ maybe we'll get some new stories along that line! Sounds fun!!
That is the easiest explanation. IT would also explain how the Trill could be moved out of the Guy in Next, fairly easily while in DS9 it was said to be for life, or it would kill the Trill symbiot.
Star Trek 6 and Discovery having female Klingon chancellors but in redemption Gowron says women can’t be on the counsel
And Azetbour was interesting intelligent had normal teeth and didn't hiss and growl at everything
In "The House of Quark," the High Council grants Grilka special dispensation to become Head of House because her husband's death was accidental and unforeseen, rather than dying in battle. I just figure that when Gorkon was murdered, the Council likewise granted Azetbur special dispensation to inherit his seat and succeed him as Chancellor.
I'm pretty sure the reason why the Romulans were using Klingon ships was because someone had broken the old Bird of Prey model. Obviously, they've remedied that in the remastered version.
Yep, that's the case. I think it was lost in a fire.
@@Klijpo Really? That's funny. And too bad, the BoP was cool.
Did they replace the D-7s in the remastered version???
@@LaurenceQuint No, but they added a Romulan Bird of Prey in there too.
@@LaurenceQuint They replaced one of the three D-7s with a Bird of Prey. I hate it. I don't see such dissimilar ships being flow in a single strike group.
In "The Royale" (TNG), the laws of physics are rewritten when Geordi refers to the conditions on the planet as having a "surface temperature of -291 degrees Celsius" (absolute zero is -273.15°C, by definition it can't be colder than that).
This isn't really a "mistake", per se, but I've always found it funny in "Court Martial" (TOS) when Kirk, describing the ability of the ship to "hear sounds" with its auditory sensors, describes the technique to detect an on board heartbeat on the otherwise empty ship by boosting the auditory sensor "on the order of one to the fourth power". Of course, one to the fourth power (or one to the 100th power or one to the millionth power or any other positive integer) is simply one, so it's not being boosted at all.
O’Brien was a 2 solid pip lieutenant, even addressed by rank, in the first 2 seasons of TNG, but brags in DS9 about being enlisted, with a rank of senior chief.
you can still transition from being an enlisted solider in the British Army and then become an officer, not sure about Royal Navy though.
Remember that Janice Lester was crazy. I don't think we can take her word on it.
I thought Valeris said you can't as Chekov says "vaporise them" without an alarm going off ..not fire a phaser.
Yes, TrekCulture didn't clarify it enough. It's not that they can't use a phaser to vaporize something when they're aboard the Enterprise. It's that if they do that, it will set off an alarm.
@@bazzokzwattom2655 She also said no *unauthorized* phaser. Presumably, all those security guards and bridge officers are using phasers that are unlocked for use by authorized personnel.
@@HermanVonPetri the real sad part is that recent Starfleet Academy grad Valeris has to explain this to Chekov, the head security officer.
@@lonster3000 That is embarrassing. The writers sure do make Chekov look like a fool.
Regarding the warp speeds, there is fan theory that there are certain "subspace highways" that excite subaspace thus making ships much faster. They are naturally occurring and shift/fade, so when starfleet finds them they use them as much as they can until the go away.
6. Scott’s Memories- there’s nothing to suggest Scotty wasn’t joking or thought he may have somehow miraculously have been found after his transport.
I could literally fill this entire list with Discovery mistakes.
I could literally fill this entire list with Discovery. Fixed that for ya.
@@johnnycash5858 Yes that's more like it. THE ENTIRE SHOW IS A MISTAKE AND IT'S NOT CANON IT'S ONLY LICENSING THE NAME
I thought the reason they used a Klingon ship as a Romulan stand in was because the Romulan warbird model, used previous was not available and it was too expensive to build another
Yes, they had lost or accidentally destroyed it and so they wrote into the season that the Romulans and Klingons were going to become allies and the Fed would have to deal with the shift in power in the galaxy. They just never got around to doing anything with it. Later the Romulans and Kingons hated each other in the Next Generation, and even more so in DS9. Maybe it was because of this attempted alliance that this happened. They may have found out they were better enemies than allies due to their great differences in culture
@@imkluu Spock says somethng like, "intelligence indicates Romulans now using Klingon design," but Kirk only speculates that there is an alliance; could just as well be that it was a kind of Cold War, with each side stealing tech from the other, rather than sharing it.
Uh... sure, the name Tiberius wasn't established until the animated series, but the middle initial being T was mentioned eleven times in the original series. It was always intended that his middle initial was supposed to be T, the prop tombstone in WNMHGB was just a mistake.
Weirdly, the first person to actually mention his middle initial is Harry Mudd. It's not explained why Mudd knows Kirk better than Mitchell did.
Here's why Scotty thought Kirk was OK: a number of the El-Aurians they rescued were. And Kirk had a reputation of getting out of tight jams. So perhaps while he knew that Kirk was lost to the ribbon, he might've assumed that one day Kirk would get out of it--because others had.
If you look at Janice Lester's actual dialog in "Turnabout Intruder", it doesn't necessarily read as starfleet not allowing women to be captains. The "world of starship captains" could have been referring to Kirk's devotion to his career at the expense of any longterm relationships. Remember he skipped out on Carol Marcus too for that reason. Numerous episodes reveal that the ship is the only thing he loves:
"I've already got a female to worry about. Her name's the Enterprise." (The Corbomite Maneuver)
"Now I know why it's called 'she'...Never lose you. Never." (The Naked Time)
Also, Janice's last line in the scene doesn't make sense if her desire was to be a starship captain. How would she and Kirk "roam the stars together" if they were commanding their own ships?
Janice: Your world of starship captains doesn't admit women. It isn't fair.
Kirk: No it isn't, and you punished and tortured me because of it.
Janice: I loved you. We could've roamed the stars together.
This is a highly generous read that is overcomplicating the simple fact that the episode was a dreadful piece of shit that was poorly thought out and written.
There is no complexity to her character. She's just an old school cliche of the bitter career woman who wishes she was a man. It's bottom rung stereotyping and was extremely common in fiction back then.
@@mingusmofaz5898 Not going to defend the overall plot. It was the last episode of a failing TV series. Still, the assumption that women aren't allowed to be starship captains doesn't really bear out from a reading of what the character actually said.
The two gaffs that always get to me are latinum changing from a solid to a liquid (early episodes referded to various objects being solid latinum and Romm shaving the latinum, both hard to do with a liquid) and the question if the Next Generation eliminated money, what are the stakes in poker? Also notice that in the pilot and several early episodes Data states I'm an androiu.
Many gambling games could be played with fake money. I guess for gamblers its not as existing, but just for fun, it can be done... 😊
It's always been "gold-pressed latinum." In "Who Mourns for Morn," Quark discovers that the latinum had been extracted from the gold bricks by snapping those solid gold bricks in half. If the latinum could be extracted from the gold then that means it is originally diffused within the gold, probably suspended in between the gold molecules by some process or other involving high pressure. Which apparently affects the molecular composition of the gold and leaves it rather brittle, since I doubt your average Ferengi could crumble solid gold bars into dust with his bare hands. And since gold-pressed latinum is a solid metal with a liquid metal suspended within its molecular structure, it is possible to shave some off. Enough shavings could then be combined into slips, strips, or bars of their own. As for the name, they simply refer to it just as "latinum" in the same way WC would refer to themselves as UA-camrs rather than UA-cam Streaming Video Presenters: because saying the whole thing all the time is tedious and unnecessary.
I always assumed the "no unauthorized phasers" rule applied more to the authorization part than the firing part. Meaning the two crewmen, were killed by a someone with proper authorization to use a phaser.
Ezri’s statement could MAYBE be interpreted as TRILL can’t be temporary hosts. Maybe there are connections that the symbionts make with the Trill they join with that aren’t possible with non-Trill temporary hosts.
On TNG Data's cat, Spot, is referred to as male...until it miraculously becomes female and pregnant in the season 7 episode Genesis.
Aren't trill the symbiote and not the host? It can make sense the trill host species is diverse like the xindi. It never says....
Yeah, they could have easily fixed that loophole in DS9 by saying the trill can merge with different species but maybe jadsia’s race were the originals and most common.
Good list, although I think the phaser issue in Star Trek VI is pretty self explanatory. She specifically says, "UNAUTHORIZED phaser." I would think that armed security personnel would be issued authorized weapons.
A VERY GOOD POINT
From Memory Alpha, the Odan entry...
"The difference between this symbiont and ones shown later was explained in the non-canon novel Forged in Fire, which explained that the ridged Trill such as Odan's hosts were the result of a strain of the Klingon augment virus that managed to infect a Trill colony through visiting Klingon traders. However, the Trill seemed not to be interested in working on methods of restoring the original Trill look, with this 'sub-group' having recently, at the time the novel was set, been re-accepted back into Trill society. The novel also revealed that Odan's disinclination to use transporters was simply part of a Trill policy to keep the symbiont's existence secret as the transporter scans would have picked it up; presumably, after the public events of the negotiations Odan participated in while in Riker's body, this policy became less relevant, hence accounting for the ease with which Jadzia Dax transported."
Funny how discovery didn't make the cut in this video; you'd need a whole other video to cover that
@AngemonRulez guess you didn’t notice that a lot of the episodes mentioned were some of the worst, like turnabout intruder and that salamander from voyager.
@@MattFergusonmwfergo And some were actually really good, so what's your point? Everything in DSC that melts call canon-breaking was either addressed in the series or is easily explained. The only major deviations in DSC are visuals and style, which is simply unavoidable. This is easily proven by Enterprise and it's mish-mosh of current day and future designs that never ever made sense. Because they were hell bent on keeping the look canon it ultimately was a detriment to the show. DSC corrected a lot of this by having tech that is futuristic to us now instead of sticking to canon tech that we already have and is in no way futuristic.
Star Trek fan: "Nooooo a line in Star Trek Discovery contradicts a throwaway line a secondary character said in 1992, they s*it on canon!!1!"
This whole list: *"checkmate"*
I look at it this way: People will make mistakes. When making a TV series, continuity errors are almost inevitable. If they're generally doing a good job with continuity, I can forgive a few errors. But if they don't do a good job with continuity and the errors happen frequently, I can't give them a pass. It's just sloppy.
one thing that drove me crazy in TNG was that Trill episode. Crusher was supposed to have been the head of Starfleet medical. Curzon Dax had been a fleet diplomat for decades but the brilliant Beverly knew nothing about his physiology?!? . she suddenly discovers all this only when the guy is hurt.
If it's something that isn't widely shared with non-Trill, it wouldn't be too surprising. McCoy didn't know about pon farr either.
The use of the "Klingon design" by the Romulans in "The Enterprise Incident" was because the model of the Romulan Bird of Prey from "Balance of Terror" was either lost, stolen, or destroyed (depending on which source you believe) before they got around to doing another Romulan episode, and with the drastically reduced budget of the show for the third season, they couldn't afford to rebuild the model for a one-off episode.
Could have lined this whole list with Discovery season 1.
Episode 1
0:09: "Lock down Lore" ... (tee hee) ... I see what you did, there.
"James R. Kirk"
I like to think that the "R" stands for "Rip," and it's a reference to Kirk's well-known habit of getting his shirt torn.
Scotty's Memories is easily explained. I was supposed to be Spock and McKoy, not Scotty and Chekov during that opening scene but Leonard Nimoy did not what to do such a brief cameo and DeForest Kelley's declining health prevented him from reprising the role for the scene.