Star Trek: 10 Times Canon Got In The Way

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  • @The_Kitchen_Table
    @The_Kitchen_Table Рік тому +85

    My thoughts on Scotty forgetting Kirk was dead. Kirk’s body was never found at the time of the Enterprise B incident. Perhaps Scotty never gave up hope that Jim Kirk was just missing and would somehow return.

    • @emsleywyatt3400
      @emsleywyatt3400 Рік тому +3

      No, he was just scrambled from being in the transporter for so long.

    • @werevamp
      @werevamp Рік тому +2

      @@emsleywyatt3400 That and also all the alcohol. Its been a while since I've seen this episode but I believe there was a line about him being upset about the future only having synthol.

    • @CoolGobyFish
      @CoolGobyFish Рік тому +1

      @@emsleywyatt3400 how does transporter even work? does it kill the original and create a copy? can it clone people? can it be used as a weapon to take apart other spaceships? can it replicate objects? They don't seem to explain any of it. So much for science fiction.

    • @QuintusAntonious
      @QuintusAntonious Рік тому +4

      @@CoolGobyFish They do explain it. The transporter deconstructs objects at a subatomic level and analyzes how they go together storing the pattern in a data buffer. The ship has pads on the hull that beam the deconstructed particle data to a point where it is then reconstructed. This is why transporters can't beam through shields and get less effective when certain things are in the way. There is definitely an argument to be made that its killing the original and creating a copy, which is why people like Pulaski and Bones probably don't trust it. And it can definitely be used as a weapon or to make copies, as we've seen both things happen in Star Trek on screen. The ability of a transporter to deconstruct, store, and reconstruct something is limited by its power and buffer size, which is why they have industrial transporters for larger objects. So, it's unlikely they could pick apart a ship since the buffer would be filled and the energy needed would be too high, though with a big enough buffer it would be possible to transport a whole ship (this has also been done on screen).

    • @CoolGobyFish
      @CoolGobyFish Рік тому +2

      @@QuintusAntonious They are most definitely kill the original since new atoms are used to reconstruct them. With this tech you can create an entire army of Picards or Kirks.

  • @griffinsummoner
    @griffinsummoner Рік тому +42

    Kirk was born in space in the Kelvin timeline because the stress of the situation sent his mother into early labor. If it wasn't for the arrival of the Narada, the USS Kelvin probably would have returned to Earth in time for him to be born planetside. The appearance of the temporal wormhole is what caused the timelines to split, which preceded Jim's birth.

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog Рік тому +4

      Thank you! Yes, the temporal wormhole and the arrival of a Romulan ship from several centuries in the relative future and this ship then causing the destruction of Vulcan and near extinction of the Vulcan species, not to mention Spock Prime also coming into the new timelien branch and meeting his younger self is what created a different timeline! I don't know why people get so bizarrely hung up on Kirk's birth (shouldnt the fact his father died too early have far more impact on young Kirk?) that they seem to think if they spin a way to explain Kirk's birth in space away they can "prove" the Kelvinverse is not a different timeline? Huh?

    • @NeverDoneEver
      @NeverDoneEver Рік тому +7

      That's always what I assumed happened. It's interesting to think that Kelvin Kirk is older than Prime Kirk. At last in terms of their birthdays.

    • @noxiousdead1590
      @noxiousdead1590 Рік тому +4

      Kirk's Bday: March 22, 2233
      Alternate Reality Kirk's Bday: January 4, 2233

    • @Trueflights
      @Trueflights Рік тому +2

      They paid homage to this recently in Strange New Worlds when in an alternate timeline Kirk was born on the USS Iowa

    • @griffinsummoner
      @griffinsummoner Рік тому +1

      @@Trueflights That was one of those "almost right" timeline changes. Instead of being born "in Iowa" he was born "on the Iowa."

  • @PureLimbic
    @PureLimbic Рік тому +126

    It's not all that surprising that Spock never mentioned Burnham. Spock didn't even bother telling anyone that one of the most well known, influential and well-respected Federation ambassadors was his father until he was standing right in front of him being greeted by Kirk in "Journey to Babel". Spock also never revealed his relation to Sybok until AFTER Kirk and co were captured by him.

    • @bgood8299
      @bgood8299 Рік тому +41

      To be fair, if my brother founded a cult built on the belief that God was on the other side of the galaxy waiting on an Uber, I wouldn't bring him up much either.

    • @Daniel-Strain
      @Daniel-Strain Рік тому +15

      Plus they specifically were making an effort to hide her existence.

    • @ignaciomoreno9655
      @ignaciomoreno9655 Рік тому +11

      Why would Spock not mention his Space Jesus Mary Sue half sister?
      My only doubt is if Burnham is the half sister of Rey "Mary Sue" Palpatine.

    • @PradoxGamerAu
      @PradoxGamerAu Рік тому +5

      I feel like everyone brings this up just to attack Discovery without remembering how much Spock has already done it in the past

    • @Daniel-Strain
      @Daniel-Strain Рік тому +5

      @@ignaciomoreno9655 There was a specific reason they had to erase her from all public records and never mention her. If you didn't see the ending I won't say why - but it was very direct and extreme that telling anyone about her would endanger her and the crew of that whole ship.

  • @Barcalla
    @Barcalla Рік тому +17

    you forgot about Spot. Data's cat was male, called "he" and "him" up until "Force of Nature", the fist time they say she, and has kittens in "Genesis" (it's hard to even remember this episode...). BUT... in the final season of Picard, when Data is giving his memories to Lore, Data clearly says "he". And yes, I have a cat named Spot

    • @garyhall2770
      @garyhall2770 Рік тому +7

      The simple answer is that Data had more than one cat and named all of them Spot.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev Рік тому

      ​@@garyhall2770 Spiner's headcanon is that there were actually 3,500 cats on the _D_ and Data calls them all Spot.

    • @gohawks3571
      @gohawks3571 Рік тому

      Anyone else wish there was a crossover with this cat's decendants & Cat from Red Dwarf😁 I know, they are going overboard now, but I'd like to see that!

    • @UltimatePerfection
      @UltimatePerfection Рік тому

      ​@@garyhall2770Or he was really bad at telling animal gender, so used "he" and "she" interchangeably.

  • @Alan1701b
    @Alan1701b Рік тому +37

    Regarding Scotty and his thinking that Kirk came to rescue him in the Enterprise - I always loved a line from one of William Shatner's post-Generations novels which was said, I think, by Counselor Troi to Spock which explained it which was something along the lines of - "It wasn't what he knew, it was what he hoped". Now I don't personally consider those novels canon but it is still a valid and quite touching idea I think.

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 Рік тому +6

      I think the explanation of degradation works

    • @davebeth2576
      @davebeth2576 Рік тому +7

      I never assumed that Scotty was being literal. He didn't assume that Kirk came to get him in the original Enterprise - he was just being hyperbolic. It was never a problem for me.

    • @vic5015
      @vic5015 Рік тому +1

      Of course the true reason is that Relics aired something like a decade before Generations hit movie theaters

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +3

      @@vic5015 a decade? lol you must be a zoomer
      Generations came out 2 years after relics. and at first it was planned that spock and mccoy would be next to kirk in the startup, but kelley was already too ill for filming and nimoy didn't wanted to just have this one scene. so kirk was accomondated by scott and chekov (takei and kirk would have never done it together, they hate each other, and nicchols didn't wanted to do movies anymore)

    • @dogenjinn4806
      @dogenjinn4806 Рік тому +3

      It never really concerned me. Kirk was famous for suddenly pulling victory from defeat. I think Mr. Scott assuming Kirk's death was suddenly revealed to be a ruse and him returning home victorious again after apparantly dying was equal parts wishful thinking and habit. He'd need assurances before coming to the conclusion that Jim Kirk's luck had finally run out.

  • @kenm4116
    @kenm4116 Рік тому +36

    “I never lie when I got sand in my shoes, commodore” is my favorite Jordie laforge quote, I’m glad he got the rank of commodore one day

    • @johnkim163
      @johnkim163 Рік тому +5

      The rank of Commodore is technically only during wartime. It is basically a “senior” captain ( 06 ) who never got promoted to admiral.

    • @guardianofthebrick6491
      @guardianofthebrick6491 Рік тому +3

      I’m hoping he is around if Legacy makes and he also give the ship a lot more fire power

    • @tetravega567
      @tetravega567 Рік тому +1

      @@guardianofthebrick6491 refit into the 3 nacelle Enterprise D from All Good Things lol

    • @lovipoekimo176
      @lovipoekimo176 Рік тому +8

      Is "Jordie" anyway related to Geordi LaForge?

    • @danieloneal7137
      @danieloneal7137 Рік тому

      @@johnkim163 because how we do things now is exactly how they’ll be done in 400 years, right? I think it’s funny when people want to criticize Star Fleet for not being exactly like today’s militaries. It’s a made-up story, they can have different rules if they want to.

  • @Buddy74656
    @Buddy74656 Рік тому +33

    The El-Aurian refugees coming to Earth in the 23rd century undoubtedly brought knowledge of the Borg, I just assumed Starfleet felt the Borg were to remote in the Delta Quadrant to be a threat and back shelved the Borg. But the Hansen's probably thought it was more interesting than Starfleet did.

    • @griffinsummoner
      @griffinsummoner Рік тому +6

      The thinking at SFHQ was probably something more along the lines of:
      A hostile species capable of wiping out a warp-capable civilization? Sure.
      One that could challenge Starfleet fresh off the victory in the war with the Klingons? Surely not. Especially since these traumatized refugees were "undoubtedly" overstating the threat posed. Until Q introduced the Enterprise-D to the Borg, Starfleet was convinced that they were technological peers, with superior capability, to anyone near them. That's why they shifted to fewer, larger ships with greater patrol/exploration regions.

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 Рік тому +5

      I think it's a case of both the El-Laurians and a certain mission from Enterprise's second season(which shows Cochrane had knowledge of them after Lily returned)

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +2

      true and latestly at that moment starfleet intelligence must have put one and one together. but they weren't allowed to go public with it to not disturb the timeline. only certified researchers (like the hansons) knew about it. but the hansons didn't wanted to wait until picard finds the borh officialky, so they went against section 31 and made their rogue attempt to find the borg.

    • @QuintusAntonious
      @QuintusAntonious Рік тому +2

      It's also possible Starfleet just thought they were a cultural boogeyman or the El-Aurians were misunderstanding something else while the Hansen's were the equivalent of 24th century Bigfoot hunters.

    • @Curu82
      @Curu82 Рік тому

      That is the canon explanation, yeah. Starfleet had heard about the Borg from El-Aurians and other species, but had no solid data. The Hansens got the green light and funding from the Federation Council on Exobiology to try to find and study the Borg, but of course never returned with the information they gathered.
      So when Q threw the Enterprise D's crew into an encounter with them, it was the first official and recorded encounter Starfleet had with the Borg.
      There's obviously First Contact and the "Regeneration" episode from Enterprise to consider, but the only records from that time were Zephram Cochrane's drunken ranting, and Archer's crew didn't know what they were encountering.

  • @treyabraham515
    @treyabraham515 Рік тому +15

    My favorite trek fan theory is that all the episodes are holosuite reenactments based on the accounts of crew members. This is often why we hear them recording logs. Because of this, all canon discrepancies are due to misspoken or misremembered details of the logs or different levels of detail resolution on the holosuite program of the reenactment. Some episodes are from bootleg holosuite dealers and dont even recount real events (episodes you hate are no longer canon if it feels better that way).

    • @simmyjester
      @simmyjester Рік тому

      Ooh, I like this! Headcanon accepted.

    • @willstikken5619
      @willstikken5619 Рік тому +1

      Or, and hear me out here, it is multiple TV shows & movies made over multiple decades by multiple people with various degrees of talent and dedication. I know, crazy theory but there it is.

    • @quantisedspace7047
      @quantisedspace7047 Рік тому

      This sounds like the literary Agent Hypothesis. I suppose we have "These Are The Voyages" to thank for that.

    • @quantisedspace7047
      @quantisedspace7047 Рік тому

      ​@@willstikken5619Sure, but we are looking for an in-universe explanation.

  • @Kureitondesu
    @Kureitondesu Рік тому +17

    The Borg changes were explained between First Contact and Enterprise. They sent a message in the 22nd century to the Delta Quadrant allowing earlier incursions and Seven's parents to investigate.

    • @PradoxGamerAu
      @PradoxGamerAu Рік тому +6

      They would have also heard about them from the El Aurians who got saved by the Enterprise B fleeing from them which was released before the VOY episode was released

  • @TheWeatherbuff
    @TheWeatherbuff Рік тому +35

    Thank you Ellie! As my uncle used to say: "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story". Great countdown and awesome presentation as always! Love you guys! 😊

  • @kentwobits
    @kentwobits Рік тому +78

    My own head cannon is that the Kelvin was headed back to earth so that its first officer's son would be born in Iowa, but the ship got redirected because of the Narada.

    • @6XGate
      @6XGate Рік тому +33

      The attack could have also cause pre-mature labor as well.

    • @themercer4972
      @themercer4972 Рік тому +21

      When I tell people "Im from X-city." it is because I grew up there. The fact I was born in Y-city, is ignored by me as I have no memory or attachment to it. I think we can understand Kirk's comment in this light.

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- Рік тому +4

      @@6XGate I thought that's exactly how it was explained.

    • @westmcgee9320
      @westmcgee9320 Рік тому +3

      @@6XGate that’s what I came here to say.
      I’m guessing they were at a loss for a 10th item and knew that 9 wouldn’t do.
      “Let’s give the nerds plenty to gripe about…”
      Me: “You rang?”

    • @smshapi
      @smshapi Рік тому +2

      Yeah, but that's an alternate timeline, so both can be true.

  • @AndrewD8Red
    @AndrewD8Red Рік тому +38

    Trek has always had a very flexible attitude to canon.
    With all the time travel though, I reckon inconsistencies from episode to episode is built right into the premise.
    I mean, who's to say the Romulans or Klingons aren't changing things all the time? Who's to say we see all the time travel shenanigans anyway? We may only see the times it gets put rights. What about all the other ships having time adventures? Maybe they're not as good as setting everything back on track again.

    • @stevehorne5536
      @stevehorne5536 Рік тому +3

      For the bit where Kirk wasn't born in Iowa any more, we don't even need that. Enterprise was set before TOS, but apparently had technology that didn't exist yet in TOS. TOS, The Journey Home, TNG, Voyager and Picard (that I remember off the top of my head) all had time travel to 20th/21st century Earth. TNG even had time travel to 19th century, and one of the time travel storylines involved a 20th century business person exploiting technology from a future time-travel craft. There's plenty of reason within Star Trek stories themselves to believe there were many timelines in play from the 19th or 20th century onwards, and it presumably wouldn't take that much for Kirks mum to give birth on a starship vs. in Iowa. With appologies to those who believe in fate, if we assume chaos theory applies in the Star Trek universe, it would be surprising any of the major Star Trek characters were even born in most timelines - there's more than enough time for tiny differences to have led to different generations living different lives, having different children etc. For example if the flap of a butterflies wings can affect the path of a storm some time later, the arrival of time-travelling humanoids who just by breathing have a greater effect on the atmosphere would certainly have changed all the major world weather events (while leaving the overall climate unchanged), which would have affected where millions of people go and when, who they meet, who they talk to and what conversations they get inspired by, and yada yada - and that's within the first few years after the time travellers came and went.
      Still, Star Trek has only observed a few timelines - it can easily be picking and choosing from infinite timeline options due to the feedback effects of past changes affecting the future and then affecting how the past was changed. And this is a great excuse for Strange New Worlds to not treat cannon as dogma.

    • @AndrewD8Red
      @AndrewD8Red Рік тому +4

      @@stevehorne5536
      A lot of words you got there.
      ...
      And I enjoyed reading it all. Seems like you and I are of a similar mind, friend.

    • @stevehorne5536
      @stevehorne5536 Рік тому +2

      @@AndrewD8Red Why write one word when a thousand will do?

    • @AndrewD8Red
      @AndrewD8Red Рік тому +1

      @@stevehorne5536
      Too right, mate.

    • @meacadwell
      @meacadwell Рік тому +1

      I always blame it on Q.
      Who knows what Q, or any of the other Q's, did before Q first appeared on TNG.
      Any of the Q could've been making changes to the universe and that's how/why it changed.
      It's also a convenient excuse to not have to follow canon. And why ENT had technology TOS didn't.

  • @travishomewood8657
    @travishomewood8657 Рік тому +3

    Riverside Iowa is having their annual trek fest this month and they got Chase Masterson, Leeta from DS9 will be here. June 23rd and 24th. I live in Iowa, have my whole life and have been to trek fest a few times. good stuff.

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos Рік тому +19

    For the Dauntless, the thing that makes nothing to do with the normal naming scheme is that it's a NX prototype ship. Expiramental ships seem to use the lettering for major iterations of the design prior to the transition to the standard designs for the ship. Meaning that there is, probably, a Protostar with the A or B letter on it after the first one disappeared on its mission there.
    Also, there are other examples of ships with the same name and different registries that don't have a letter assigned to them such as the Defiant (The one lost in TOS and discovered by the mirror universe has a registry and Siskos ship has a different registry but the same name and no letter)

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 Рік тому +1

      My problem is that we know what the NX-01 was not the lettering because frankly MOST ships have had other ship names without any letter added. It was to the credit of the Enterprise crew that they earned what seemed to be a singular honor that no other crew had earned (and frankly feel they've gotten a little generous in modern Trek with handing out). Just would be crazy for a ship to be labeled NX-01-A Dauntless and not more be made of it's naming than that in light of Ent. Obviously didn't exist when the episode featured but it is a little wild they went with that for Enterprise...could have easily named it NX-17 and called it a day. Humans got to the moon on Apollo 11 launched on a Saturn 5. Not exactly some kind of terrible shame that the Enterprise wasn't the very first prototype ship of Starfleet of even her intended class.

    • @willstikken5619
      @willstikken5619 Рік тому +1

      The same name different registry is a normal process, both in modern navies and in Start Trek. The reuse of a registry number with a letter designation is the exception and is supposed to be fairly rare denoting a particularly storied history or notable contribution.

    • @tomaskops7119
      @tomaskops7119 Рік тому

      No problem with NX prefix,but more apropriate number will look better. Like NX78550 for example

  • @joelellis7035
    @joelellis7035 Рік тому +7

    The Enterprise couldn't be practically salvaged to be returned to the fleet, as in return to duty. What Geordi did was over decades, and as mentioned in the 3rd season of Picard, the Enterprise-D was "outdated" by the current Starfleet metrics.
    As to the "NX-01A", well, the registry in "Enterprise" was for the United Earth ship.
    As to the line of Scotty saying that Jim Kirk pulled the Enterprise out of mothballs, the actual line was, "I bet Jim Kirk himself hauled the old girl out of mothballs. . ."
    It's obviously a whimsical statement, as Scotty can clearly see that some time has passed since he stepped into the transporter. Nonetheless, there have been several occasions where Kirk was presumed dead, but miraculously came back from death in Scotty's time.

  • @wildshadowstar
    @wildshadowstar Рік тому +21

    We never heard of Spock having *any* siblings until it was convenient for him to have a brother for Star Trek V Final Frontier. So having Burnham be his sister wasn’t too big of a deal.

    • @tetravega567
      @tetravega567 Рік тому +5

      Spock was always secretive. Watch the TOS episode where his parents are introduced.

    • @sethnapolitano396
      @sethnapolitano396 Рік тому +1

      Spock did say in ST5 that he had a sister named Michael.

    • @Caidoe_Esthov
      @Caidoe_Esthov Рік тому +1

      @@sethnapolitano396 There were no sisters at all mentioned in Star Trek 5

    • @sethnapolitano396
      @sethnapolitano396 Рік тому

      @@Caidoe_Esthov Spock did mention a sister named Michael in one of the movies.

    • @Caidoe_Esthov
      @Caidoe_Esthov Рік тому

      @@sethnapolitano396 That didn't happen. You can find transcripts of all of the Star Trek movies online.

  • @adamgoss3638
    @adamgoss3638 Рік тому +17

    I seem to recall from VOY "Dark Frontier" that Starfleet had heard whispered rumors of a race called "the Borg" and an admiral hired the Hansens to research it, kind of like in Babylon 5 Earthforce had heard rumors of the Minbari but had never encountered them until they went looking for them, leading to an equally disastrous first contact. The difference between the two was that had someone else made contact with the Minbari it might not have led to a massive war, whereas the Borg are automatically everyone's enemy (unless they decide you're not distinctive enough to bother with).

    • @AndrewD8Red
      @AndrewD8Red Рік тому +5

      I dunno, Sheridan wasn't happy with the situation on the Prometheus. He knew it could lead to disaster and he was right.

    • @AzraelThanatos
      @AzraelThanatos Рік тому +8

      For the whispers, you also have Guinan's people who fled to the Federation and, probably brought stories of the Borg with them. The Federation just didn't know what the Borg were or where they existed other than in the direction of the El Aurian homeworld.
      The Hansens were chasing rumors there...

    • @QBCPerdition
      @QBCPerdition Рік тому

      Yeah, they very clearly say that they were chasing rumors, and as they got closer they learned more definitive facts. We are also seeing them after they have been studying the Borg for a whole, and are doing so similarly to how Jane Goodall studied chimps in the wild. It is entirely conceivable that they didn't send any updates or data home, believing they would be able to write some award winning papers about their discoveries once they got back, and not wanting anyone else to scoop their work.
      And once they followed through the transwarp tunnel, they were out of communication range, any way.
      This doesn't feel like breaking Canon at all.

    • @GBRyker61
      @GBRyker61 Рік тому +3

      ​@@AndrewD8Red to be fair, the Minbari kinnda brought it on themselves. I'd have to go back and watch that movie again, but I'm fairly certain that the Minbari ship the Prometheus encountered not only had their gun ports open right at the start(syupid thing to do in any encounter), and had their stealth systems activated(again, stupid thing to do). The Promethius, when it couldn't tell if the weapons were activated or not because of the Minbari stealth system, responded by opening fire.

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 Рік тому +1

      @@GBRyker61 It had worked for a thousand years. It was still a mistake but also most other races were properly deferential. Also it seems it was JMS major stab that Starfleet and Trek were ultimately right. You do first contact, you don't fire first. The ship you are entrusted with, your crew who trusts you with their lives, their loved ones who hope you bring them home safe, none of it matters relative to the mission.

  • @RionE23
    @RionE23 Рік тому +8

    Khan was reviewing the ships records while in sickbay, he could have seen Chekhov’s profile and remembered his face. Also Chekhov could have been on leave when space seed occurred, and heard about the Botney Bay when he returned.

  • @mittenil2972
    @mittenil2972 Рік тому +7

    The Federation literally redesigned their ships to fix the sub space problem. I didn't think I was that knowledgeable in Trek but I thought what culture would know more than me.

  • @NerdWorldEmpire
    @NerdWorldEmpire Рік тому +15

    The Kirk one I figure he was raised in Iowa plenty of people in the military are born in what ever base where ever their parents happen to be but it doesn’t preclude them still being from wherever they are ultimately raised. At least that’s what I figure happened

    • @alm2187
      @alm2187 Рік тому

      "I'm from Iowa. I was only born in outer space." 😜

    • @therizinosaurus214
      @therizinosaurus214 Рік тому

      I figured kirk would have been born on earth, the stress of the attack may have induced early labor

  • @inspector2363
    @inspector2363 Рік тому +6

    Kahn was given computer access to the Enterprise's specs In sick bay in The Space Seed & could've recognized Chekov from looking through the crew manifest.

  • @robertespley248
    @robertespley248 Рік тому +4

    Although never mentioned by name, weren't the Borg encountered by Captain Archer in Enterprise? I seem to recall that he ascertained they were heading to the Delta quadrant. So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that starfleet knows of a strange bio/mechanical species that has a connection to the Delta quadrant

  • @CaritasGothKaraoke
    @CaritasGothKaraoke Рік тому +24

    In Enterprise, Dr. Phlox has a tribble and mentions that they breed very rapidly. But in Short Treks, Edward alters tribbles to be born pregnant because they breed very slowly, limiting their use as a food source.

    • @Lordoftheapes79
      @Lordoftheapes79 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, but Short Treks are quasicannon.

    • @johnchedsey1306
      @johnchedsey1306 Рік тому +3

      @@Lordoftheapes79 But fully awesome, in particular with the Edward episode.

    • @treyabraham515
      @treyabraham515 Рік тому +2

      I like to think that since Enterprise was affected by the temporal cold war, any canon discrepancies could be due to time travel. Let's be honest, rapid breeding tribbles spread so quickly that it's no surprise that one of them would somehow end up catching a ride with a time agent.

    • @LarryNemecekTrekland
      @LarryNemecekTrekland Рік тому +5

      Define Phlox's "very rapidly" vis a vis Edward's food source "very slowly"- they might be the same, just with different point of view. That's my HC.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev Рік тому +1

      ​@@treyabraham515 The Trek version of "A wizard did it!"

  • @josephgraham9332
    @josephgraham9332 Рік тому +39

    If we're going to get technical, as most of us Trekkies do, at no point did Kirk ever say he was "born" in Iowa.

    • @ACtheLegend
      @ACtheLegend Рік тому +20

      Yeah! I don't claim to know that much about Trek, but I'm pretty sure the line was "No, I'm *from* Iowa, I only work in outer space."

    • @davebeth2576
      @davebeth2576 Рік тому +7

      @@ACtheLegend It was in a book that Roddenberry wrote. It's never been stated onscreen though. Being "from" Iowa doesn't have to mean he was born there - just raised.

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +2

      absolutely true. we don't know where he was born. most likely his mother settled down with him and his younger brother in iowa and he saw his father in the original timeline on shore visits

    • @mrcritical6751
      @mrcritical6751 Рік тому +2

      It’s just people looking for stuff to complain about in the JJ movies

    • @davebeth2576
      @davebeth2576 Рік тому

      @@mrcritical6751 That does seem to be a popular pasttime.

  • @TheDrexLord
    @TheDrexLord Рік тому +14

    In defense of number 10, maybe Kirk's mom didn't give birth in space in the og timeline and the romulans going back made her give birth early, it may be a stretch but it makes as much scense as it making the enterprise go from looking like a play pen, to an apple store

    • @Lordoftheapes79
      @Lordoftheapes79 Рік тому

      Yeah, but they literally built a statue in his hometown...

    • @griffinsummoner
      @griffinsummoner Рік тому

      @@Lordoftheapes79 Premature labor caused by stress and (potentially) the Kelvin being delayed from returning to Earth due to an astronomical anomaly are perfectly reasonable consequences of the divergent timeline.

    • @bemasaberwyn55
      @bemasaberwyn55 Рік тому

      @@griffinsummoner I actually hinted this being the case in the season finale of strange new worlds' first season. As Kirk talks to Pike in that episode he mentions his dad being on the Kelvin before, and then it fades out ashe mentions Tarsus.

    • @Lordoftheapes79
      @Lordoftheapes79 Рік тому

      @@griffinsummoner that's all well and good, but they people that paid to have the statue built too commemorate "the future birthplace of James T. Kirk" were a bit insulted by their attempt to rewrite the history. It's easy to see it that way now, because they went back to the original timeline, but back then they were actually trying to completely restart the franchise. Needless to say, that didn't go over well.

    • @MrAranton
      @MrAranton Рік тому

      We shouldn't put too much weight on what Kirk said in Star Trek IV. After all: He was talking to a woman 200 years from his past, trying to get her help him with his mission all while not revealing too much about the future. In this context his best bet was to keep things as simple and believable as possible - even if that meant being less than accurate. With that in mind, the line from "Voyage home" doesn't contradict the idea that James T. Kirk was born on the USS Kelvin, grew up there with his mother while his father was still serving in Starfleet and eventually followed in his father's footsteps.

  • @classic.cameras
    @classic.cameras Рік тому +3

    James Kirks mother just told Jim he was born in Iowa. That incident was deemed TOP SECRET obviously.

  • @mathiaswetekam1253
    @mathiaswetekam1253 Рік тому +5

    About that Warp 5 speed limit I always explained its absence as misinterpretation of the research data. Initially everybody thought warp drive damages all subspace, but in reallity it may have only damaged the subspace in that specific region (for reasons unknown)

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +2

      well, they said for movie 8, that starfleet has found new geometries to counter the rippling effects. it seems as if they then didn't needed the tilting nacelles anymore

    • @mathiaswetekam1253
      @mathiaswetekam1253 Рік тому +1

      @@acmenipponair I think that was some background information from the writers. Always sounded like a bad excuse to me. But as long as it isn't said on screen it is not canon and we can make up our own solution. 😁

    • @qam2024
      @qam2024 Рік тому +2

      In Voyager, Janeway hinted the "warp damages subspace thing" was just a ruse to hide the existence of Omega particles.

  • @heydanalee
    @heydanalee Рік тому +5

    With number 9, the Borg, it makes perfect sense. The Enterprise-E destroys a sphere above Earth in the past resulting in Starfleet's first Borg encounter directly on Earth during the Enterprise show era. A little timeline mess never hurt anyone!

  • @Trikeboy2
    @Trikeboy2 Рік тому +5

    Also, don't forget that the Scotty error is only due to the bad management of Generations. Scotty's lines in Generations were actually intended for Spock but Leonard Nimoy refused to return. Had Spock been in the movie, the canon would have been fine. It is also why Chekov turned people into nurses and headed for sickbay as his lines were written for McCoy, but again DeForest Kelly also said no to the movie.

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +1

      kelly is excused for being too ill in 1994 already and Spock didn't wanted to do it without mccoy. takei and kirk hate each other and nichols had retired from film making. so koenig had to take some time off from being bester in b5 for his last pavel chekov impression (in picard he speaks the grandson) and doohan supported him

    • @noppornwongrassamee8941
      @noppornwongrassamee8941 Рік тому

      One theory I read said that Scotty had seen Kirk cheat death so many times, that he didn't assume that the Enterprise B incident had REALLY killed Kirk no matter what the official record said. And as it turned out, he was RIGHT. Scotty's only mistake was assuming that Kirk made it back to life before he did.

  • @travisnewberry936
    @travisnewberry936 Рік тому +3

    The Voyager episode "Flashback" established that Tuvok's very first Starfleet posting was aboard the USS Excelsior under the command of Captain Hikaru Sulu. The episode revolves around Tuvok's experiences during the events of The Undiscovered Country. Yet, in the film, we never see Tuvok, despite the fact that he told Janeway that he was aboard for Khitomer battle.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev Рік тому +1

      Yet we do see him on the Excelsior-class Enterprise B!

    • @SeekOutWisdom
      @SeekOutWisdom Рік тому +1

      @@GSBarlev While Tim Russ is in that scene, he is not playing Tuvok.

    • @noppornwongrassamee8941
      @noppornwongrassamee8941 Рік тому

      @@SeekOutWisdom Or he was doing under cover work even then. In the case of the Enterprise B, pretending to be something other than a Vulcan.
      Edit: Or is Tuvok really of another race and only pretending to be Vulcan?

    • @djco5782
      @djco5782 Рік тому

      I think the bigger issue is the death of Dimitri Valtane before the Khitomer battle, despite him being seen alive at the end of the movie. Aldo, there's the condensing of the movie's events into two days rather than the two months stated in the movie. I guess Tuvok is an unreliable narrator.
      That whole episode reeks of, "Well, I suppose we should do something to mark the 30th", compared to the love and attention to detail of DS9's 'Trials and Tribble-ations'.

  • @dannywebb8718
    @dannywebb8718 Рік тому +8

    In ST4, Kirk didn't say he was BORN in Iowa. He said he was FROM Iowa.

    • @arthurmarshall6825
      @arthurmarshall6825 Рік тому

      But that was in respond to "You are from outer space", implying he is born and raised in Iowa but only works in outer space. If they intend him to be born in Outer Space, he should have respond with "yeah but I was raised in Iowa.

  • @damouze
    @damouze Рік тому +1

    2:03: "Oh, I am sorry, Doctor. Were we having fun?"

  • @FirstDan2000
    @FirstDan2000 Рік тому +3

    MMMborg,by the Hansens, brilliant.
    And seeing Pulaski on screen as Ellie's voice over describes something that was never spoken of again had me Awwing - that was a bit cruel, but funny.
    That Co-op logo on the screen when the Borg cooperative was mentioned was on point.
    And Ellie does a great Checkov impression.
    Great editing not-Martin.
    I really want to see this Star Trek Cannon.
    Is it like the ornamental cannon from The Flashing Blade?

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev Рік тому +2

      It was a Federation superweapon designed by a German and outfitted on Galaxy class vessels.
      It's known in some circles as _Pachelbel's Cannon in D_
      I'll see myself out.

  • @starbrand3726
    @starbrand3726 Рік тому +2

    You forgot in the classic series episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Spock was playing Tridimensional chess with Kirk and was grinning and almost laughing. And later in the episode "The Menagerie" which was re-edited from the unaired pilot "The Cage", Spock and Pike encounter a strange blue leaf plant that sings when the wind blows on its leaves. Spock and Pike hold the plants leaves and Spock breaks out with a huge SMILE. Emotions? Huh?

  • @zooropa04
    @zooropa04 Рік тому +4

    This reminds me of an answer Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Strasczynski once gave when he was asked how fast ships on that show travel in hyperspace: "They move at the speed of plot."

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +2

      yes, warp speed is an acronym for we are running plot speed. can be warp 2 or 9 and you sometimes need a week to the next planet or get from the neutral zone to earth in 2h

  • @MartinMazur
    @MartinMazur Рік тому +2

    I think Geordi heard the log entry and thought: “”Hold my synthale”, to that entry.

  • @danieloneal7137
    @danieloneal7137 Рік тому +13

    Did Kirk ever say that he was born in Iowa or just that he was “from” Iowa? Because a kid born today on an overseas military base who was raised from childhood in Florida would still say that they were from Florida.

    • @frednich9603
      @frednich9603 Рік тому +2

      had the same thought

    • @arthurmarshall6825
      @arthurmarshall6825 Рік тому

      Would that kid still say Florida if asked directly if they were from the country they were literally born in? Or if they were from a military base?

  • @scottmantooth8785
    @scottmantooth8785 Рік тому +3

    *0:04** when you really think about it logically (or cynically if you prefer) that five year mission of StarFleet (LLC) would in reality only be two and a half years since it would take two and a half years to get to the furthest point as dictated by the mission mandate or itinerary before promptly turning around and heading back home without stopping along the way for souvenirs or shopping sprees*

    • @QBCPerdition
      @QBCPerdition Рік тому +2

      Nah, the crew that are transferring to the Enterprise do so at the station closest to where the Enterprise will be assigned, as that is where the ship, and the mission, are starting from.

  • @DanielS2001
    @DanielS2001 Рік тому +2

    4:14 - There's a simple explanation for that. Advancement in tech. When Picard stated the saucer couldn't be recovered, it was during a time where it might not have been possible. Considering the advancements made over the time after Generations, there's a good chance that not only were Starfleet able to recover the saucer from the planet, but allowed for Geordi to be able to restore the saucer back to full functionality. It's actually not quite different from modern advancements in technology within the medical field. Once upon a time, there wasn't an MRI machine (which was inspired by the tech in Star Trek as the inventor mention). Before that, X-Rays had to be used. Due to MRIs, we can get multiple images on three different planes to be able to see everything.
    The same is true with the automotive industry (prior to using automation, cars were built completely by hand. Now, it's half automated when it comes to certain things like welding, with hand building still being used to assemble the car, or at least it was the last time I read). So, it could be that when Picard stated that the D's saucer couldn't be salvaged, he was looking at in the timeframe in which the moment occurred, and it wasn't until years later with advancements in technology that allowed for Geordi to be able to rebuild the saucer (and the eventual scrapping of the Galaxy-class ships that allowed for him to get a star drive to replace the one destroyed from the battle). Thus leading to the D's appearance in Picard Season 3.

  • @Ares78
    @Ares78 Рік тому +2

    What about in DS9, I think it's the first season, Sisko references his dad in the past tense like he's dead, and then he shows up later in Homefront.

  • @Sephiroth144
    @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +6

    Kirk was born in Iowa / The (Kelvin) Timeline diverged only when the Narada showed up:
    Even assuming the Kelvin wasn't diverted to investigate the anomaly (which HAD appeared prior to the Narada, and AFAIK we don't have a canon answer to how much before), stress has been known to induce labor- and I think we can agree the situation with the Narada was stressful for those (originally) on the Kelvin. If Winona was in labor before the attack, methinks Captain Robau would've let (if not insisted) George be by her side instead of on the bridge to sniff around a spatial anomaly. (Then why was she in sickbay? Dude, you think the Federation doesn't have prenatal care?)
    The question would be, does Kirk have the same birthdate in both timelines?

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +3

      Now, with the Hansens and the Borg- do we think those El-Aurian refugees didn't mention those weird cyborg things that decimated their civilization? Its possible Starfleet considered it somewhat bunk as they'd never see anything like that, and considered their ramblings some form of PTSD or the like. But it'd be weird if they were debriefed, and even if the information wasn't considered absolute, that it'd be sitting around somewhere. And the Hansens were like "hey, we'll go check... if you give us a ship."

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +2

      "She can't be salvaged" - Picard ain't an Engineer. Plus, Geordi didn't salvage her to put her back into service, (which is likely what he meant); he wanted a museum piece.

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +1

      The Dauntless was a FaaaaaaAAAAKE! So, its registry was irrelevant. We can see when an actual Starfleet experimental ship appears, the NX registry is much higher (even if they hadn't updated the hull to match the updated internal displays). Insofar as the crew not noticing, eh, it was probably one of the notes but not worth mentioning compared to the other facts on the ground.

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +2

      "PIcard got the Romulans wrong" - yeah, film at eleven with that one...

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Рік тому +1

      "Discovery for the Klingons wrong" - airs right after the Picard exposé.

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 Рік тому +1

    Koenig at a convention in the 1990s made a joke about having not met Khan. He said they met, when he came into sickbay with a base case of food poisoning from the food stores. He had a bad case of the bowels. He then said, 'Khan saw me grunting and said, I never forget a face'. Errkk..

  • @tdrewman
    @tdrewman Рік тому +4

    There is a comic book that came out maybe in the 80s 90s can't remember. The it takes place right after the Enterprise got refit and they're going on their next five year mission. Everybody was talking about the time they thought they were all going to die because of one mission or another. Chekov mentions the time when Khan took over the ship. Everybody looked at him in shock. One of them asked you were aboard when it happened? He replied he was just assigned to the Enterprise and he was assigned to the lower decks when it happened. It is also mentioned in another Star Trek novel that basically he was on one of the engineering decks as new officer assign to the Enterprise doing the graveyard shift.

    • @tetravega567
      @tetravega567 Рік тому +1

      Exactly. Kahn never met him onscreen, but probably memorized the crew manifest.

    • @danieloneal7137
      @danieloneal7137 Рік тому +1

      I’m the original series, the Enterprise supposedly had a crew of over 400 people. Obviously every crew member couldn’t be in every episode. It only makes sense that Chekov was on board for a while before he became the alpha shift navigator.

  • @BYoNexus
    @BYoNexus Рік тому +3

    scotty not remembering kirks death could be attrributed to the minute degradation to his pattern in the buffer. maybe it had to do with memory pathways

  • @CristySFM1234
    @CristySFM1234 Рік тому +4

    The borg raven thing I think how the Hansen's knew more about the borg prior to Q who was because they were talking with elurian survivors and others who had encountered the borg prior. The bog did use transwarp hubs to travel so contact would have occurred

    • @CristySFM1234
      @CristySFM1234 Рік тому +2

      @@AutomatedPersonnelUnit_3947 don't forget section 31 it would also explain why future endeavours in the artic sphear remains were never explored further and unknown afterwards

  • @israeljovanovich3336
    @israeljovanovich3336 Рік тому +3

    #5: Aside from the rec deck images of past Enterprises, the first-season TNG conference room featured gold-painted relief sculptures of the Enterprise aircraft carrier and Enterprise starships A-D. Again, no NX-01.

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +1

      yes but that can be explained by the fact that its a display of the nc(c)s. not nx. also they already missed out the older enterprise aircrafr carrier from wwii

  • @leticiagarcia9025
    @leticiagarcia9025 Рік тому +4

    I assumed the Hansens heard the stories about the Borg from Zephram Cochrane. The Hansens a could’ve read reports on the “Borg” from Captain Archer and Dr. Phlox that peaked their curiosity. I always wondered where their curiosity about the Borg came from until the movie First Contact and Enterprise episode, Degeneration.

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +1

      cochrane was long gone. and he never knew about the Name of that species or the cube ships. it's more likely that the hansons were part of section 31 and knew therefore about this big secret. that also explains why they had to go rogue. we all know, section 31 will even betray starfleet to get what they want. like a more military starfleet after a big battle lose

    • @leticiagarcia9025
      @leticiagarcia9025 Рік тому +1

      @@acmenipponair
      He made a speech about it then he recanted it. When captain Archer was tasked to find the scientists from the Arctic Circle he recalled Zephram Cochrane’s speech. Rewatch Enterprise Degeneration episode. Both Archer and Phlox reported their encounter with the Borg to Starfleet. Before I watched Enterprise’s Degeneration I was confused where the Hansens got their information about the Borg. It’s my opinion that they went on search for the Borg when Q drag the Enterprise, Picard’s ship, to the Borg. If you have a different perspective let me know.

  • @DrknssRules1
    @DrknssRules1 Рік тому +1

    They had a canon issue all within TNG. The first season blatantly states that the Romulans had just vanished and noone had seen or interacted with them in a century. Then the Enteprise-C just happens to prevent a war by helping the Klingons against a Romulan attack only two decades prior.

  • @Alexandrashepiro
    @Alexandrashepiro Рік тому +1

    The working theory bout Chekov in Space Seed was he was in the Washroom when Khan was making his plans. Chekov flushed the toilet, Khan heardthe flush, and it interrupted his chain of thought, thus Khan's big plan didn't go quite as well.

  • @ray53208
    @ray53208 Рік тому +5

    Spock never mentioned his parents, half brother, or sister until they appeared on screen. The guy just doesn't talk about family.

  • @Chuck_Hooks
    @Chuck_Hooks Рік тому +3

    The Platonians, Apollo and Flint the Immortal would have all had an opportunity to interact on earth at the time of Plato.
    A good idea for a story and it would all be canon.

  • @marcianemoris
    @marcianemoris Рік тому +1

    Pretty sure Kirk didn't say he was 'born in' Iowa in Voyage Home, but that he was 'from' Iowa. Gillian says something like, "Don't tell me: you're from outer space", and Kirk replies, "No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space." I'm working from memory though, and it has been a while since I saw it. But it was one of my favourite lines in a film full of cracking good lines. 😏

  • @posindustries
    @posindustries Рік тому +1

    He says he's from Iowa, not that he was born there. That's an important distinction to make because lots of people grew up in places that are different from that of their birth. I myself would say I'm from North Carolina even though I was born in Florida, because I did not actually live a significant portion of my life in Florida.

  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov Рік тому +2

    Here’s the thing, if the Narada changed the future of the new timeline, this means the same time travel events probably didn’t happen in this timeline. This might have created a backwash going as far back as the 19th century (if Picard even exists in this timeline to travel back to Mark Twain’s time).
    Also, the attack on the Kelvin probably forced Winona Kirk to go into labor early. Besides, Kirk said he was “from Iowa.” If he spent his entire childhood in Iowa, he’d probably say that he was from there

  • @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers
    @RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers Рік тому +3

    "I'm *from* Iowa" does not necessarily mean *born* in Iowa. Someone born in the UK while their family is on vacation but then grows up in New York won't say "I'm from Berwick upon Tweed" unless they're an absolutely insufferably twaffle.
    Stretching from entry one is not a good look.

  • @williamtsutherland8240
    @williamtsutherland8240 Рік тому +1

    2 Things: 1. 'From' ain't the same thing as 'Born', IMDB> Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me! You're from outer space.
    Kirk: No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space.
    2, Khan, when in Sick Bay in 'Space Seed" had access to the records on board. Maybe that's where he saw the face of our Favorite Russian.

  • @joermnyc
    @joermnyc Рік тому +2

    The Hansen family did follow the Borg back to the Delta quadrant, which had no communication links back to Starfleet until Pathfinder was used to contact Voyager. Maybe they forgot to transmit their findings?

  • @gildedbear5355
    @gildedbear5355 Рік тому +2

    The easiest explanation for the klingon "issue" is one that seems to have never considered: the klingon empire is an /empire/. It cound have different cultures that dominate at different times. Since it's a /space/ empire it could even have different species be dominant.
    Rome was like that. As Rome conquered places those people /became/ romans. They may have been ethnically gaulish, celtish, or greek but they were also roman.
    It'd make the klingons a super interseting foil for the federation. Anybody from any species can rise to power but klingons do it through force of arms while the federation do it by consent.
    In this paradigm, the leaders (or at least the crews of ships near the federation) during TOS could have actually been humans from "prewarp" colonies that joined the Empire (for various reasons)

    • @jwessel1969
      @jwessel1969 Рік тому

      I recall a friend one time proposing that there was interbreeding with different peoples in the empire.

    • @travisboyle285
      @travisboyle285 Рік тому

      I think I read that the 1980s Star Trek novel The Final Reflection was a big influence on Star Trek Discovery Klingons.

  • @YosemiteJohn
    @YosemiteJohn Рік тому +3

    Just because Chekov wasn't a Bridge Officer in season 1 doesn't mean he wasn't a member of the crew then [there are over 400 guys there that we seldom see more than once if at all]

  • @terryrose4804
    @terryrose4804 Рік тому

    Ellie Littlechild's voice and pacing is outstanding! Didn't need the Closed Captioning this time. Thank you! 🖖

  • @HammerJammer81
    @HammerJammer81 Рік тому +1

    NX is an experimental title given to experimental vessels. Enterprise was rushed out the door to complete a mission prior to completing its prototype phase.

    • @travisboyle285
      @travisboyle285 Рік тому

      Yeah. Excelsior was NX2000 in Star Trek 3.

  • @alm2187
    @alm2187 Рік тому +2

    Canon can never get in the way.
    Canon IS the way.
    Consistency is quality.

  • @jpwphoenix1701
    @jpwphoenix1701 Рік тому +3

    With regards the Starfleet ships with a letter in the registry, the fake Yamato in TNG: "Where Silence Has Lease" had the registry NCC-1305-E (I think!). Whereas, when the real ship appeared later in the season, it's completely different and has no letter.

    • @jpwphoenix1701
      @jpwphoenix1701 Рік тому +1

      @@jdslyman I think they used to write and film episodes in different orders back then. So, they probably didn’t plan to re-use the same ship twice or at least didn’t bother checking that the registry would be kept consistent between episodes. I do know the registry’s actually mentioned in dialogue in the first episode by Riker, whereas it’s only seen on a computer screen in the second. They probably didn’t imagine, back when it was filmed, that many years later we’d have the technology to remaster the episodes and make details like that really clear to see.😂

    • @paulrasmussen8953
      @paulrasmussen8953 Рік тому +2

      Because mike okuda made a major mistake

    • @acmenipponair
      @acmenipponair Рік тому +2

      @@jpwphoenix1701 they shot on film, so they could see it perfectly in post production. most likely they used first the 2m model for the yamato and to not have to repaint too much they only changed out the 7, 1 and D on the painted on registry number. they most likely just put disposeable stickers on the numbers. for contagious then they had to make a model of the ship anyway as they had to destroy it then with acid, so they then wrote the correct number on that dummy model

  • @alm2187
    @alm2187 Рік тому +4

    Consistency is quality.

  • @GetMiked
    @GetMiked Рік тому +2

    I can't get my head around Guinan not recognising Picard in S2 of Picard, even though they met in Time's Arrow.

    • @travisboyle285
      @travisboyle285 Рік тому

      I assume it was because the altered future made Time's Arrow not happen at all.

  • @cyphi474
    @cyphi474 Рік тому +1

    3:03 Yes, 'The Raven', because Hansens didnt supose to be sent by Starfleet, but to go on their own.
    Which they broke two scenes later moment Seven and Tuvok are leaving the ship, with clear USS Raven written in big letters on the side of ship... so...choose.

  • @jimmiegiboney2473
    @jimmiegiboney2473 Рік тому +1

    4.2K Thumbs Up + Mine! 👍 You're welcome! Thanks! 😊
    Notes: I noticed that you left out recasting and that's a good thing! 👍 So many people freaked out about how "Saavik" went from looking like Kirstie Alley to looking like Robin Curtis, and no one seemed to notice! They were probably used to how daytime dramas used to deal with cast changes by having a plot about the need for cosmetic reconstruction surgery. Eventually they went with an announcer saying "The role of _____ is now being played by _____ due to illness." Now they just send characters away long enough yo make the transition easier. But not everyone forgets!
    The topic is a bit ironic considering that before the original series got the digital remastering process treatment, that we viewers had to contend with a shape-shifting "Starship Enterprise" in most episodes, if not in every episode, because of the excessive usage of stock footage! 😳
    🖖

  • @TheFinancialAdvocacyPodcast
    @TheFinancialAdvocacyPodcast Рік тому +1

    Q Who - Q: The Borg is the ultimate user. They're unlike any threat your federation has ever faced. They're not interested in political conquest, wealth, or power as you know it. They're simply interested in your ship, its technology. They've identified it as something they can consume.
    Best of Both Worlds Part 1: Lt. Cmdr Elizabeth Shelby: I thought they weren't interested in human life forms. Only our technology.
    Capt. Picard: That priority seems to have changed.

  • @robertfalk3767
    @robertfalk3767 Рік тому +2

    Ya know, I think I can answer the Borg one.
    Section 31. They captured the Borg tech from "Regeneration." 7s parents, one or both, were a member of section 31. Section 31 has existed as long as the Federation Charter has been a thing, but certainly would have been around as we know them since Archer's days. So section 31 would have intercepted this super advance tech to keep it out of unreliable hands.
    So, when the time to test on live Borg came, they'd send an agent.

    • @tomaskops7119
      @tomaskops7119 Рік тому

      Interesting point, and because secrecy they send "civiist" but they got too far

  • @Darbobski
    @Darbobski Рік тому +3

    The "Kahn couldn't have known Chekov" thing is pretty well debunked. If one pays attention in Space Seed, one may catch that Kahn has access to the ship computer for a time. This included information about the crew and other Star Fleet personnel. Kahn has an eidetic memory. There is no reason why he couldn't have seen Chekov's profile and remembered it.

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 Рік тому +1

      And when did Chekhov join the Enterprise? He could have been working on another deck.
      Kahn could have bumped into in a hallway.

  • @jonyprepperisrael60
    @jonyprepperisrael60 Рік тому +1

    if I was entering a StarFleet federation ship after so many years, the last thing ill probably see (after the location of the toilets) is what registry number it is. Tuvok however should have noticed

  • @lennies_mindful_life
    @lennies_mindful_life Рік тому +3

    With the D project, in my head cannon Geordi got a lot of help from the other engineering miracle worker Miles O'brien to get the old girl back up and running

    • @AndrewD8Red
      @AndrewD8Red Рік тому +3

      Hey, if Tom Paris can build a runabout (in a cave! With a box of scraps!) in a weekend, then Geordie can assemble a Galaxy class in twenty years.

    • @CaritasGothKaraoke
      @CaritasGothKaraoke Рік тому +2

      I just figured that doesn’t violate canon at all. Picard isn’t an engineer. He’s like “this is unsalvageable” and Geordi’s all “…, it’s gonna take a lotta duct tape, but with all due respect you don’t know what the frak you’re talking about, sir”

    • @paulrasmussen8953
      @paulrasmussen8953 Рік тому

      ​@Caritas Goth Karaoke its time required. Right now they are decimissioning 2 year old ships because their design is so poor and the vost to fix it is not worth it

  • @FilthyCasualYT
    @FilthyCasualYT Рік тому +1

    I would say the issue of Kirk being born in Iowa is explainable by time travel causing temporal ripples traveling both backwards and forwards in time.

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 Рік тому

      My dad was on a bus trip across the border. When asked where he was born one guy answered Bombay India. He had been. The custom agent told him not to joke so he lied and said Peterborough.
      You can be born one place but be " from" another.

  • @lawsonic
    @lawsonic Рік тому +1

    0:03 and drink coffee on the Bridge while navigating

  • @lbricks7631
    @lbricks7631 Рік тому +1

    Headcannon: The discovery klingons were just some bozos posing as klingons, before the real klingons got a handle on the situation and killed them all in glorious combat.

  • @brianwolters7560
    @brianwolters7560 Рік тому +2

    I am a huge Trek fan...like since the original in re-runs and then TNG, DS9, Voyager (though I felt it was starting to go dry then)...and I gave Enterprise 2 1/3 Seasons but after "Extinction", I felt Trek was dead...even if I went back and watched a few good Enterprise episodes sense then...I know others may think "whatever man" but Discovery is just not my canon...I actually respect "Enterprise" more now than before...it has grown on me...and yes, I love Strange New Worlds and Picard Season 3...but we do need a "Legacy" series that carries on Picard Season 3.

  • @arisela23
    @arisela23 Рік тому +1

    The stress of the situation, the impacts of the temporal field, etc. could have triggered labor early which is why Kirk was born when he was. Chances are, her labor could have continued for a few days or even weeks and he could have been born in Iowa. She was even surprised when she called and said the baby was coming...wasn't exactly planned.
    The Hansons were considered super eccentric and probably weren't taken seriously by Starfleet, they knew about the borg but not extensive information which is why they were doing their crazy strategy to find them and were lost and assimilated by the borg. Starfleet was not interested in the borg, the borg were not interested in humans until the involvement of Q which spiraled things early.

  • @ThorstenWieking
    @ThorstenWieking Рік тому +2

    Considering the previously Enterprise named ships - the rec room scene only shows one out of two and soon three US Navy Aircraft carriers named Enterprise. So I am okay with leaving out a few Starfleet ships with that name.

  • @jarnoldp
    @jarnoldp Рік тому

    Where can I find the archive video?

  • @mikefarrington7141
    @mikefarrington7141 Рік тому +4

    #4: none of the previously assimilated Romulans had experienced The Admonition.

    • @coeusdarksoul2855
      @coeusdarksoul2855 Рік тому +3

      Not to mention - how would the Romulans have known? Only known ship to have been assimilated. As far as the Romulan Empire (and galaxy at large) was concerned the others just disappeared or were destroyed.

    • @GSBarlev
      @GSBarlev Рік тому +1

      ​@@coeusdarksoul2855 Romulan arrogance is also one of their defining traits, so I could see them perpetuating the narrative of "No Romulan has ever been assimilated successfully" despite evidence to the contrary.

  • @bekenotsalony2905
    @bekenotsalony2905 Рік тому +1

    I always heard that it was that in the original timeline the NX Enterprise didn't exist but after First Encountersit became a ripple in time, which led to it's being created, why there were borg on earth in that timeline, and that led to the creation of Discovery so they're ripples that have changed small aspects of history.

    • @travisboyle285
      @travisboyle285 Рік тому +1

      Also Zephram Cochrane heard the name of the ship from the future is named Enterprise. Maybe he had the name in his notes they found after he disappeared and named the ship after tribute to him.

  • @alm2187
    @alm2187 Рік тому +1

    Koenig had a funny take on that point. Let's look at it from a few angles, though.
    PC? I'll hold that thought for if we get a comment thread going.
    Consistent continuity? That's scarcely an issue at all! Given Khan's super-brain, it's not hard to imagine him accessing the full crew roster with personnel portraits and memorizing every name in the hundreds-strong complement!
    Figure everyone thinks of that. Even the Nitpicker's Guide affirms that this isn't really an issue.
    Koenig's funny take? He's been quoted speculating that Khan had to use the head and the Enterprise has just one. He was first in line forever until the man before him was finally finished, and he never forgot that it was Chekov.

  • @stormdaboo
    @stormdaboo Рік тому +1

    The only issue I have with Enterprise is that it was only four seasons

  • @FluxKitten
    @FluxKitten Рік тому +1

    Walter Koenig has stated he and Khan met in the bathroom. funny guy. I don't thing we really cared that he wasn't in the episode. I thought he just met him off screen somewhere on the ship.

  • @henrikharbin5521
    @henrikharbin5521 Рік тому +1

    Explaining the new Trek is simple. Science fiction allows for alternate rimelines. Everything after the first JJ movie could be happening in "the universe next door", and doesn't have to line up exactly with pre-2009 Trek.

  • @TheStammzilla
    @TheStammzilla Рік тому +1

    The best way to avoid canon problems is to tell a new story in a new different time in history and with new characters.

  • @clairewilliams9416
    @clairewilliams9416 Рік тому +2

    Most of these are really nitpicking to be honest. Kirk being born in space, I know many military kids that identify as being from their parents birth place not the one they were born in. The Enterprise being unsalvageable, it was likely considered a write off due to not being worth repairing with needing a whole new star star drive. We’re lead to believe Gordie fixed it in his downtime as personal project when a star drive section became available. Seven parents I don’t think they worked for Starfleet the Borg were just a hushed whisper at time , Starfleet weren’t interested in investigating so they went off on their own. Not sure I recall my canon correctly on that though to be honest which means it’s rewatch time.

    • @CaritasGothKaraoke
      @CaritasGothKaraoke Рік тому

      No you don’t, don’t tell stories. We don’t do that. We say we’re from where we were born because we didn’t grow up in ANY one place. I don’t say I’m from Germany or Colorado or Georgia. I say I’m from where I was born even though I’ve barely ever even been to that town, or I say I’m from the next town over, which you’ve heard of: Chicago. BUT if I worked in Oak Park and someone asked me if I was from Oak Park I would say “actually yes, but I usually say Chicago”, not “no, I’m from Chicago, I only work in Oak Park”. That would be a totally weird response. And I would NEVER say “no I’m from Tennessee” which is where my dad was from. I’ve only ever driven through there. Without stopping. No army brat claims to be from their parents’ hometowns. That’s just strange.

    • @clairewilliams9416
      @clairewilliams9416 Рік тому +1

      @@CaritasGothKaraoke please don’t accuse me of making up stories that is not true and I didn’t mean the home town of their parents I just mean I know people that Identify as English because there parents were born in England and they spent significant time in England. I was close friends with girl born in Germany and she never described her self as being from Germany. Don’t go around calling me a liar when you because your experience is different.

  • @Trueflights
    @Trueflights Рік тому

    NX is a prototype designation for new ship designs. It was used on many ships over the course of Star Trek. Most notably in the novels, but there have been mentions in the show as well as video games about it.

  • @stars9084
    @stars9084 Рік тому +1

    Honestly the first one isn’t really any kind of canon issue. Winona Kirk would hardly be the first woman to go into labor early due to a stressful situation

  • @sureshmukhi2316
    @sureshmukhi2316 Рік тому +1

    How about DS9 itself when the Defiant appears with the cloaking device it was said that in can only be used in The Gamma Quadrant under Romulan supervision. There was no Romulan on board the Defiant after that.

  • @alm2187
    @alm2187 Рік тому +1

    Of the various ways to reconcile the Scotty thing, guess I'm partial to the explanation in the novel The Return. Consider anyone who would tell you Elvis lived past '77. Suppose one such person believes it despite being present at the time of death. Per the novel, that's pretty much Scotty's outlook on Kirk.

  • @drivecam101
    @drivecam101 Рік тому +1

    TOS episode Metamorphosis lays out the invention of warp drive on Alpha Centauri. The Next Generation movie ignores this and that then caries into the series enterprise. It is by far the worst break in Star Trek. It wrecks the entire time line. It even essentially eliminates the sublight war with the Romulans also laid out in TOS. That war is what established the neutral zone and why Romulans were never seen until Kirk's Enterprise encountered them.

  • @paulmacdonald5135
    @paulmacdonald5135 Рік тому

    This episode was fascinating!

  • @veggiet2009
    @veggiet2009 Рік тому +1

    I can't wait until strange new worlds has an episode with TOS, TNG and Discovery, Klingons sharing in some bloodwine together 😂

  • @jasonsumma1530
    @jasonsumma1530 Рік тому +1

    I thought the warp speed limit was warp 7. I probably am remembering wrong. Now, warp 9 was definitely emergency case only.

  • @tommychampagne2557
    @tommychampagne2557 Рік тому

    6:49 the NX-01 is Starfleet’s 1st warp 5 capable ship and the NX-01-A could signify Starfleet’s 1st slip stream capable ship as well. The NX-01-? designation could be reserved for significant milestones in Starfleet ship propulsion systems.
    The 1 oddball ship designation I think is the NX-2000 Excelsior being changed to NCC-2000.

  • @thedarkangel1975
    @thedarkangel1975 Рік тому

    Chekov and Khan recall having met each other. Although Chekov was not a bridge officer when Khan came on the Enterprise in Space Seed (1967), it should be remembered that when Khan first took over Enterprise, he started with the engineering deck. Chekov was engineering ensign at the time, and mounted resistance against Khan, according to the movie's novelization.

  • @simetr0pimp69
    @simetr0pimp69 Рік тому +1

    Kirk’s mom went into early labor due to the stress of the Romulan attack. I'm pretty sure this has already been discussed numerous times. So #10 is not breaking cannon

  • @carlyleroad
    @carlyleroad Рік тому

    Someone once said that the best way to deal with temporal paradoxes is to just ignore them. I agree and I just enjoy the ride.

  • @FishGB
    @FishGB Рік тому

    I noticed the Seven (2:26) error when Voyager was on the TV in the 90's, I was raised watching Star Trek TNG (Along with TOS and DS9) so I was cofussed as to why Sevens parents knew about the borg.
    Also (Please forgive me if Im wrong) But doesn't someone on Voayger claim that no Human has ever been saved/turned back into a Human from a borg drone, when TNG had Picard assimilated and saved/turned him back to Human.