Ben Burns It is a little more complicated than some may think. Several of my students have been struggling to get the flow and muscle memory of it down so I am hoping this video can help them with that. Also, it’s just interesting to see. There are so many airplanes and each one seems to have a slightly different procedure to the process.
Yeah it was a real struggle for me first starting. I’m not sure if the E90 has all the same things, but what we watch for on the B350 are: Start switch on: Ignition (green annunciator) Fuel pressure (red annunciator extinguished) Prop rotation 12% N1 (sometimes I’ll go as high as 18% on hot days to reduce start temperatures) Condition lever low idle. Oil pressure rising (I believe with inverters there are no oil pressure indications.. so the prop coming out of feather is the indication that you have oil pressure) First ITT rise from primary nozzles. Second ITT rise from secondary nozzles (Max 1000C) Starter off at 50%. R generator reset.. then on after line voltage has built. Indications stabilized. White low pitch solenoid annunciator illuminated and prop at or above 1050 RPM. Check current limiters by placing voltmeter to L GEN (should see 28V) and that bus ties are closed (they close automatically with 28V.. open with 24V).
CitationMax Thanks Max! You’ve been cranking out some awesome content. Really neat to see you going further and higher. Maybe eventually I’ll be able to Vlog some more of my jet adventures. For now I’ve got a few more King Air videos in the queue. In the next one we go to Mackinaw Island. Happy Holidays and I hope you’re having a blast flying somewhere fun!
Oh boy, this gorgeous video brings back memories of my flight lessons in the late 1980th as I have flown this aircraft to get my first flight license and nowadays I fly the legendary and most majestic aircraft ever - the Boeing 747-400F and the Boeing 747-400BCF! Thank you so much for sharing this with us here and lovely greetings from Captain Sarah Sutter 🙋💖😍👍✈️
Sarah I V Sutter Late 1980s I was just being born. Excited to hear you’re in the 747 and still enjoying what you do from the sounds of it. Cheers to the new year and to many more hours of cloud surfing!
@@AviatorMark If you ever make it here, my wife and i would love to show you around and recommend places to visit. Not the regular tourist areas, but the best parts of the island.
Thanks this is very cool. Have about an hour of piper aztec time 45 yrs ago, age 16 while getting my SEL...would love to fly a king air before my final departure.
K. Alan M. Double the engines double the trouble. No, actually the King Air is very dependable and is a great flying plane. Wow, 45 years ago. That was before my time. Glad your passion for aviation is still a live and well. Cheers to you and good success!
Enjoyed this video, first one from you. You got yourself a new subscriber from across the Atlantic. Now I have to spend some time to look through the rest of your stuff. Enjoy 2020
Great video. I always wanted to accomplish becoming an airplane pilot, but never did. Now too old and too many health issues. That pilot really knows what he is doing.
Hello Brian! once again reporting from northen patagonia, Argentina. I hope you and your family had a pleasent Christmas eve, and i wish you & family a wonderfull 2020 with smoth flights and safe landings. Cheers and God speed!
walter weigert Hello! I can’t wait to someday visit Patagonia! Yes, we had a very blessed Christmas and I’m looking forward to the New Year and all that 2020 will have in store!!!! Cheers and blessings your way!
What a fine balance of conditions to get both engines turning and burning. Is there a video picking up where this left off, taking us through taxi and launch?
@@AviatorMark Thank you for the link. I certainly enjoyed watching it. I have loved the Kng Air since I worked line at an airport a couple decades ago. My private certificate expired a long, long time ago, and it would cost too much to start again. I have heard mosquitos in Wisconsin are the size of small airplanes. You did a good job avoiding them.
Great video! Do you just go to high idle on #2 to help with the start of #1? I noticed you never advanced the #1 engine to high idle before you brought #2 back to low idle. I’m just a radial engine guy hoping to get into turbines here soon so just learning. Thanks!
Yes, if you dont go to high idle on the engine that's already running (usually that's #2 because of what items run off what side electrically) and you leave the generator on while starting the remaining engine (#1 in this case) you can cause a Voltage/Gen overload and blow the current limiters. Often you'll see King Air pilots start #2, go to high idle, then turn on the #2 generator for 30 seconds or a minute to recharge the battery, then kill the generator and go back to low idle and start #1 off the battery. This can be done for noise reduction since high idle makes more noise, but I've also heard on the maintenance side its good to do battery starts on both sometimes to make sure the battery gets deep cycled...not sure how true that part is but in the military we always did "generated assisted starts" just like this video, not a dual battery start.
start the first engine with the prop feathered or feather after temp on a crowded ramp, it's old school but ok to not disrupt things at high idle on the ground for the second start. Start the downwind engine first, the chief pilot won't bother you as long as you don't burn the paint. A100s don't count
This reminds me of the B90 we had at tech school. That Beechcraft tan. Of course ours had the engine gauges mounted horizontally which made it difficult to remember which ones were for which engine. 20 years later I fly them for a living. A Beech 350i that looks like the space shuttle inside. EFIS sure makes things very easy as the torque and ITT are concentric with the same redlines and the gauges flash yellow to alert you and red to warn you of imminent danger. No inverters to worry about and the triple bus system automatically ties buses and load sheds. I am curious. I remember vaguely on the B90 that it was a “cross gen” start much like on the B350 and what you demonstrated here. On early 200s you do a “generator assisted” start where you turn the generator on after the start, but then you turn it off when you hit the other starter to prevent too much current from going from the generator. Once through a certain speed you turn the right gen back on to “assist” with the rest of the start. On the 350.. we have an electronic GCU that limits the current. What does the 90 have or what makes it different that you don’t have to worry about blowing generators doing a cross gen start?
I’m working on the Dash-8 and we go from fuel cut-off to feather during start-up. Any reason you would start up your engines with props in max? (What engine is it btw?) The Dash-8 uses a PW120-family engine with free turbine. Maybe the answer lies there....?
Geir Ove Tømmerbakk It’s the bullet proof good old PT6. I’m sure there’s a few differences from the Dash. That’s the proper procedure tho. I’m sure it’d start the other way too but they’ve got their reasons. Always interesting learning the different procedures for other aircraft.
You (almost) always start a free turbine engine with the prop in feather to reduce start times and help the gas producer accelerate. This is because the power turbine can’t as easily absorb the power when the prop is feathered. One exception is on seaplanes that have pitch locks and this is to prevent unwanted thrust as the prop goes from feather to fine and vice versa. The PT6 is started with the prop levers in fine but by the time there is enough oil pressure from the governor to overcome the counterweights and feathering spring the engine is pretty much started. Unlike a PW100... you can’t keep a PT6 in feather for a long time since it needs airflow from the prop to disperse the (now hotter) exhaust gasses. The PW100 was designed for airline service so for long taxis and delays you can keep it feathered for a long time and almost always see one feathered during taxi on a classic dash. The Q has a different hydraulic system which allows for safe single engine taxi instead.
Memories. Use to fly DH-C4s in Nam. Thought to become an airline pilot until I realize flying that those big ships was like driving a tractor trailer on a monotonous schedule and boring work.
I’m surprised he didn't turn gen 2 off to start eng 1 initially. Some of the Beech turbines are prone to blowing current limiters if the gen is left on for the initial start.
Nicolás Ambrosini high idle spins the starter generator faster and that recharges the battery to full power for the 2nd start. But, to numbnuts here it doesn’t matter because he’s a moron that puts the fuel to it at 12%
On my 300 you do, its not for more electricity but actually for air flow on the generator you are about to hammer with max output. If you don't it is hard on the operating generator.
Andy R Not on our E-90. It’s for the electric draw. On our 300 it’s the same as Greg said I believe. I’ve only flown that one a few times SIC though so I’d have to confirm.
Christofer Riche It does. There is system logic we use that favors the number two engine start first but that isn’t to say the number one can’t be started first. It’s just not the favored one.
Almost always it’s #2 engine due to it being closer to the battery. But I’ve started #1 first a few times because the right side wasn’t entirely clear (safe.. but just as a courtesy to people on that side of the aircraft to allow them to depart the area) or because I accidentally grabbed the wrong switch (I always check both sides before any start).
when you move the condition levers to introduce the fuel --- bring them.* NEXT TO or EVEN with the hook* on the quadrant. once you are stable and out of danger from a hot start then you can move the lever forward beyond the hook
@@AviatorMark My father was a corporate jock with over 7000 hours in one particular E-90. I remember him saying come even with hook but not in it. if it hot starts you can easily and instantaneously pull back the lever to cut fuel. if it's in the hook - it could be a problem. I dunno where he learned it - Beech maybe?
SOU6900 Good question. Checklist specifies the right engine to be started first as the battery compartment is in the right wing, at least on the King Air 90, and so there is less resistance due to the cable length being shorter to the right engine. You could certainly start the left first especially if the engines were already warm or you were using a cart to start but in most cases it’s best to minimize the strain you put on the batteries and then on the generators after start as well - and that is why we come to high idle before starting the next engine.
I was under the impression that it's a carryover from old DC3s and the like, where the pilot in the left seat couldn't see the right engine so they'd start the right first to identify issues by sound then start the left, which they'd be able to see out the window. Is there any validity to that or is it just a rumor?
TOMMY WATKINS Good question. Our checklist specifies the right engine to be started first as the battery compartment is in the right wing, at least on the King Air 90. There is less resistance due to the cable length being shorter to the right engine. You could certainly start the left first especially if the engines were already warm or you were using a cart to start but in most cases it’s best to minimize the strain you put on the batteries and then on the generators after start as well - that is also why we come to high idle before starting the next engine.
Also could be habit, I instruct part time as well but in the airline we always start right side first because usually there is a gate and ground crew maneuvering on the left. We start left side on the push back. When i go back to instructing i tend to continue with that habit lol (for aircraft that dont specify which side to start first)
Ian Duncan These engines are turboprop (jet turbine) engines, not your normal reciprocating engines in cars and other general aviation aircraft. When I flew Cessnas and Piper Cherokees with recip engines, they do start similar to a car engine by turning a key. Hope that helps.
Brian did you have a Beautiful Blessed Christmas Day with your family members and friends because I sure did and Knowing Thar We celebrated at Church on Christmas Eve with songs and praise and knowing that Jesus Christ love us all
Bernard Anderson We enjoyed a wonderful quiet Christmas. We had a beautiful Christmas Eve service and spent time with loved ones. Also, Winston who had been very sick is feeling better so that is our favorite present!
I wish the instructor would have taken the time to explain the importance of monitoring exhaust gas temperatures, many people watching wouldn't know what this is about.
' nice pretty airplane... but the airplane with 2 propellers musts be opposite spins same as V-22 osprey... not good same propellers spins... pilot man dont need to use a black cooooooool tint sunglass
1:12 What part of “check here” and make sure it’s clear while looking left and “check make sure it’s clear over there” while looking right don’t you understand? Did you want us to open the windows and yell “clear prop” like they do in a Cessna 150, even though we can see both the top and bottom of our prop and know that it is clear visually? That is not how we teach it in the King Air. Also, not sure where your other comment saying we didn’t clear the area went. Not sure what you’re wanting here.
You said the video evidence doesn’t support my statement that the “area was clear”? What are you seeing? What wasn’t clear? Did you see something out there that we missed?
12% ng!! Hahha! What a joke! Bro, get as much Rpm’s as possible. Faster speeds mean cooler starts, and less wear and tear on the engine. At 12% you’re gonna get ass pucker close to TIT peaking at redline.
Siegwart Aviator that mentality right there is why you’re a pilot and not an aviator. The fact you replied in this manner is a clear display of your arrogance and know-nothingness. Let me break this down simply since you have a UA-cam channel and that entitles you to publish your inaccuracies: axial compression to centrifugal... think real hard now... engine is spinning, drawing in air, u hear the ticking sound from the plugs and... when you introduce the fuel guess what - it has to be spinning at a certain speed to kick out the initial hot gas from the light off. So numbnuts, that’s why when you get more compressor speed you’ll see cooler starts. 12-13% NG is a minimum, retard!!!!
Ese KING AIR 90 te lo prendo con los ojos cerrados es igual al mío ese. Lo tengo bien guardado en MÉXICO y te lo levanto a 90 nudos y te lo bajo a los mismos 90 nudos . Lo más que lo he subido es hasta 31,000 pies
I bet the kid was excited 👍
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Love the sound of those props👍
Fly Like A Pro Just the best!
Before I get too damn old, I'd like to fly one of these someday soon. King Airs are very nice. Great video on basic instruction.
Craig Pennington If the opportunity presents itself- take it! They are fun flying birds. Stiff wing but all in all a tight ride.
Agreed, King Air’s are amazing planes!
I’d never thought I’d fly one.. but have been flying a 350i for 4 years now. It’s never too late.
That thing is an absolute beast! Thanks and I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
Kevin Collins It really is! We had a quite and calm Christmas and I’m excited for the New Year!!! Cheers and blessings your way!
Looks Good. Nice and simple.
Thanks eh!
Thank you so much for this video. I cant wait to fly and reach commercial status. Hopefully at some point fly this plane
Yes! Join the team!!!
Great video of the King Air twin engine start. Never realized that there was so much to watch for and monitor with just starting the engines.
Ben Burns It is a little more complicated than some may think. Several of my students have been struggling to get the flow and muscle memory of it down so I am hoping this video can help them with that. Also, it’s just interesting to see. There are so many airplanes and each one seems to have a slightly different procedure to the process.
Yeah it was a real struggle for me first starting.
I’m not sure if the E90 has all the same things, but what we watch for on the B350 are:
Start switch on:
Ignition (green annunciator)
Fuel pressure (red annunciator extinguished)
Prop rotation
12% N1 (sometimes I’ll go as high as 18% on hot days to reduce start temperatures)
Condition lever low idle.
Oil pressure rising (I believe with inverters there are no oil pressure indications.. so the prop coming out of feather is the indication that you have oil pressure)
First ITT rise from primary nozzles.
Second ITT rise from secondary nozzles (Max 1000C)
Starter off at 50%.
R generator reset.. then on after line voltage has built.
Indications stabilized.
White low pitch solenoid annunciator illuminated and prop at or above 1050 RPM.
Check current limiters by placing voltmeter to L GEN (should see 28V) and that bus ties are closed (they close automatically with 28V.. open with 24V).
Excellent demonstration
comcfi Thank you!
Enjoyed the Tech video. Always fun to learn what the procedures are on other airplanes! You do a great job explaining it also. Happy holidays!
CitationMax Thanks Max! You’ve been cranking out some awesome content. Really neat to see you going further and higher. Maybe eventually I’ll be able to Vlog some more of my jet adventures. For now I’ve got a few more King Air videos in the queue. In the next one we go to Mackinaw Island. Happy Holidays and I hope you’re having a blast flying somewhere fun!
Oh boy, this gorgeous video brings back memories of my flight lessons in the late 1980th as I have flown this aircraft to get my first flight license and nowadays I fly the legendary and most majestic aircraft ever - the Boeing 747-400F and the Boeing 747-400BCF! Thank you so much for sharing this with us here and lovely greetings from Captain Sarah Sutter 🙋💖😍👍✈️
Sarah I V Sutter Late 1980s I was just being born. Excited to hear you’re in the 747 and still enjoying what you do from the sounds of it. Cheers to the new year and to many more hours of cloud surfing!
Sarah I V Sutter A lady captain?
You did initial training in a king air turbo prop? What a way to learn complex aircraft fast! I guess it was for military flying?
Never been in one and probably never will But I love the way they look. Enjoyed this clip. Happy Holidays .
Michael Stern Yes, she’s a fine bird. New video of us flying it into Mackinac Island coming soon!
Brilliant explanation!
Thank you. 👏🏽
Excellent video!
Dowglas Lima Barbosa Sousa Thank you so much! Please stay tuned for the next one.
I enjoyed that. Greetings from sunny Jamaica.
Lawrence Davidson Greetings back! That’s one place I haven’t been yet. I really want to come visit sometime soon.
@@AviatorMark If you ever make it here, my wife and i would love to show you around and recommend places to visit. Not the regular tourist areas, but the best parts of the island.
Lawrence Davidson Oh, We’d love that! Sounds amazing!
I always started with max starter rpm before the fuel...saves the hot section
same for me, 12% minimum; generally 16% to save $$$ for hot section: and it's also a good way to see if your battery is still strong.
Outstanding video!
Thanks this is very cool. Have about an hour of piper aztec time 45 yrs ago, age 16 while getting my SEL...would love to fly a king air before my final departure.
K. Alan M. Double the engines double the trouble. No, actually the King Air is very dependable and is a great flying plane. Wow, 45 years ago. That was before my time. Glad your passion for aviation is still a live and well. Cheers to you and good success!
Awesome video
Captain Cam Thanks for always giving positive and encouraging feedback! Happy Holidays!
Thanks for the vid bro
Sure thing!
Pretty clear and concise. Thanks!
Enjoyed this video, first one from you. You got yourself a new subscriber from across the Atlantic. Now I have to spend some time to look through the rest of your stuff. Enjoy 2020
i captnoatp Soooooo exciting! Welcomes aboard and hopefully you enjoy the channel! Please stay in touch! You just made my day!
Very nice.....
Great video. I always wanted to accomplish becoming an airplane pilot, but never did. Now too old and too many health issues. That pilot really knows what he is doing.
Andy H Thank you so much. Well, hopefully you can enjoy some of the aviation experience by riding along with us!
Hello Brian! once again reporting from northen patagonia, Argentina. I hope you and your family had a pleasent Christmas eve, and i wish you & family a wonderfull 2020 with smoth flights and safe landings. Cheers and God speed!
walter weigert Hello! I can’t wait to someday visit Patagonia! Yes, we had a very blessed Christmas and I’m looking forward to the New Year and all that 2020 will have in store!!!! Cheers and blessings your way!
Very good Captain 🤗
...so simple. Now i can jump into one and fly away!
HerrMeyer Just as soon as you buy one.
Great epic vid and I've learned something again :-) waiting always for your vids ! thanks
K H Regel Thank you so much for watching. Appreciate your feedback greatly.
First flight in a king air c90 would be on the day after tomorrow!
Hope you had a great time!
Only flown c/f90 but those needed the boost pumps on for engine start as well
excelent!
Thanks!
What a fine balance of conditions to get both engines turning and burning.
Is there a video picking up where this left off, taking us through taxi and launch?
ussling Thanks for watching. Yes, here is where we went after starting up
ua-cam.com/video/inwGK0PKykk/v-deo.html
@@AviatorMark Thank you for the link. I certainly enjoyed watching it. I have loved the Kng Air since I worked line at an airport a couple decades ago. My private certificate expired a long, long time ago, and it would cost too much to start again.
I have heard mosquitos in Wisconsin are the size of small airplanes. You did a good job avoiding them.
Very nice! Vids like this make great study tools for those of us working our way up into ever bigger and faster airplanes. Thanks!
TexAV Thank you. I hope to do some more like this to help get the procedures down well.
Great video! Do you just go to high idle on #2 to help with the start of #1? I noticed you never advanced the #1 engine to high idle before you brought #2 back to low idle. I’m just a radial engine guy hoping to get into turbines here soon so just learning. Thanks!
B200 driver here. Yes, High Idle on 2 to assist with starting 1.
THIS!
Yes, if you dont go to high idle on the engine that's already running (usually that's #2 because of what items run off what side electrically) and you leave the generator on while starting the remaining engine (#1 in this case) you can cause a Voltage/Gen overload and blow the current limiters. Often you'll see King Air pilots start #2, go to high idle, then turn on the #2 generator for 30 seconds or a minute to recharge the battery, then kill the generator and go back to low idle and start #1 off the battery. This can be done for noise reduction since high idle makes more noise, but I've also heard on the maintenance side its good to do battery starts on both sometimes to make sure the battery gets deep cycled...not sure how true that part is but in the military we always did "generated assisted starts" just like this video, not a dual battery start.
Rotating beacon or flashing red light was on prior to start correct ? Great Video
Gary Kusnierz Yes, that actually comes on with the master. Thanks for asking and watching.
Beautiful
Cool vid. What is ITT? Thanks for sharing.
Interstage turbine temperature, think of it as an EGT between high and low pressure turbines
Love you man! ♥️♥️
Nice aircraft 🛩✈ I bet it's nice to fly too!
It really is!
Sweet, now I can borrow my friends Kingair 350 😂😂
Nice! Now that it has started, where are you going?
David Hall Good question! Stay tuned. In the next video you’re about to find out 😉
I love it
start the first engine with the prop feathered or feather after temp on a crowded ramp, it's old school but ok to not disrupt things at high idle on the ground for the second start. Start the downwind engine first, the chief pilot won't bother you as long as you don't burn the paint. A100s don't count
Mark Brazil Interesting thoughts. Not our flight schools procedure but thanks for sharing.
for noise?
This reminds me of the B90 we had at tech school. That Beechcraft tan. Of course ours had the engine gauges mounted horizontally which made it difficult to remember which ones were for which engine.
20 years later I fly them for a living. A Beech 350i that looks like the space shuttle inside. EFIS sure makes things very easy as the torque and ITT are concentric with the same redlines and the gauges flash yellow to alert you and red to warn you of imminent danger. No inverters to worry about and the triple bus system automatically ties buses and load sheds.
I am curious. I remember vaguely on the B90 that it was a “cross gen” start much like on the B350 and what you demonstrated here.
On early 200s you do a “generator assisted” start where you turn the generator on after the start, but then you turn it off when you hit the other starter to prevent too much current from going from the generator. Once through a certain speed you turn the right gen back on to “assist” with the rest of the start.
On the 350.. we have an electronic GCU that limits the current. What does the 90 have or what makes it different that you don’t have to worry about blowing generators doing a cross gen start?
We follow the Checklist and POH and we have not had any issues yet. Not sure of the exact difference.
I’m working on the Dash-8 and we go from fuel cut-off to feather during start-up. Any reason you would start up your engines with props in max? (What engine is it btw?) The Dash-8 uses a PW120-family engine with free turbine. Maybe the answer lies there....?
Geir Ove Tømmerbakk It’s the bullet proof good old PT6. I’m sure there’s a few differences from the Dash. That’s the proper procedure tho. I’m sure it’d start the other way too but they’ve got their reasons. Always interesting learning the different procedures for other aircraft.
I thought starting with props in feather was proper procedure too.
You (almost) always start a free turbine engine with the prop in feather to reduce start times and help the gas producer accelerate. This is because the power turbine can’t as easily absorb the power when the prop is feathered. One exception is on seaplanes that have pitch locks and this is to prevent unwanted thrust as the prop goes from feather to fine and vice versa.
The PT6 is started with the prop levers in fine but by the time there is enough oil pressure from the governor to overcome the counterweights and feathering spring the engine is pretty much started.
Unlike a PW100... you can’t keep a PT6 in feather for a long time since it needs airflow from the prop to disperse the (now hotter) exhaust gasses.
The PW100 was designed for airline service so for long taxis and delays you can keep it feathered for a long time and almost always see one feathered during taxi on a classic dash.
The Q has a different hydraulic system which allows for safe single engine taxi instead.
Hey Sieg,
Haven’t been following for a while, starting to catch up on your videos again. Btw do you still have the 206?
Manny Colon Thanks so much! I’m working on getting another one up soon of our trip to Mackinac. My good friend now has the 206. Such a great plane.
Good vid
THANKS!
My favorite video was the E175 vlog
John I should do a similar one at my current work. I’ll consider doing another one when I get the chance.
Memories. Use to fly DH-C4s in Nam. Thought to become an airline pilot until I realize flying that those big ships was like driving a tractor trailer on a monotonous schedule and boring work.
Rafael Melendez Wow, the stories you must have! Thank you for your service. We owe a great debt to those who keep us free and safe!
Prop sound 👍
Anyway, does it has the same procedure with the C90 ?
It is the procedure for ours but not every King Air.
Please can you send me the whole checklist🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
2 thumbs up.
Why bring condition levers to high idle if you're just going to pull them back to low idle afterwards?
It is to help with the start and draw off the batteries per the checklist.
@@AviatorMark Makes sense now that I'm flying a 90/200. Thanks.
Do you call out oil pressure? During the starts as well?
Levi M No, but each company has its own call outs.
@@AviatorMark just curious, not criticism, then it would be part of your visual scan during start of course. Thanks for the reply, safe flying...
Levi M Definitely, all critical engine instruments are in our scan but not necessarily a call out.
I saw a World War II video on how to start a B-17. It took a lot longer!
I’m surprised he didn't turn gen 2 off to start eng 1 initially. Some of the Beech turbines are prone to blowing current limiters if the gen is left on for the initial start.
We just follow the Checklist, POH, and SOP.
@@AviatorMark Well can’t go wrong there.
Nice! Liked and subbed :)
Redtail Pilot And you just made my day! Thank you so much!!!!!
Merry Xmas.
wojciech grodnicki Merry Christmas 🎄 and Happy New Year 🥳
F awesome
Which is the reason of the "high idle" after you switch gen 2 on?
Nicolás Ambrosini high idle spins the starter generator faster and that recharges the battery to full power for the 2nd start. But, to numbnuts here it doesn’t matter because he’s a moron that puts the fuel to it at 12%
@@vinceocratic thanks for the explanation. Excellent video.
vinceocratic 12% to introduce fuel for ship start. Higher with battery cart (ext power) ?
I have explained this in previous comments... Let me see if I can paste it here...
You don’t have to go on high idle on left engine?
On my 300 you do, its not for more electricity but actually for air flow on the generator you are about to hammer with max output. If you don't it is hard on the operating generator.
Andy R Not on our E-90. It’s for the electric draw. On our 300 it’s the same as Greg said I believe. I’ve only flown that one a few times SIC though so I’d have to confirm.
Why not wait for the battery to build back up, then turn off the generator and start number one? The battery can handle it.
As for the props, why can’t you leave them in feather for the start?
Sean Riley Actually that would not be a good idea. All our mechanics do not like us putting those kind of loads on the battery.
You don't have to move the propeller levers forward before engines start
I just follow the checklist….
No fuel pump boost?
I'll like to come out so you can give me a opportunity to fly one
Bernard Anderson That would be fun but as of right now I do not think it is for rent unless you are part of our 141 school.
Does it matter which engine you start 1st?
Christofer Riche It does. There is system logic we use that favors the number two engine start first but that isn’t to say the number one can’t be started first. It’s just not the favored one.
Almost always it’s #2 engine due to it being closer to the battery. But I’ve started #1 first a few times because the right side wasn’t entirely clear (safe.. but just as a courtesy to people on that side of the aircraft to allow them to depart the area) or because I accidentally grabbed the wrong switch (I always check both sides before any start).
when you move the condition levers to introduce the fuel --- bring them.* NEXT TO or EVEN with the hook* on the quadrant. once you are stable and out of danger from a hot start then you can move the lever forward beyond the hook
DONALD COX That’s an interesting technique. Not the way I was taught, but I like the thought process. Thanks for sharing.
@@AviatorMark My father was a corporate jock with over 7000 hours in one particular E-90. I remember him saying come even with hook but not in it. if it hot starts you can easily and instantaneously pull back the lever to cut fuel. if it's in the hook - it could be a problem. I dunno where he learned it - Beech maybe?
Seems like some one from Mississippi took this opportunity to fly it...
Why start number 2 first?
SOU6900 Good question. Checklist specifies the right engine to be started first as the battery compartment is in the right wing, at least on the King Air 90, and so there is less resistance due to the cable length being shorter to the right engine. You could certainly start the left first especially if the engines were already warm or you were using a cart to start but in most cases it’s best to minimize the strain you put on the batteries and then on the generators after start as well - and that is why we come to high idle before starting the next engine.
I was under the impression that it's a carryover from old DC3s and the like, where the pilot in the left seat couldn't see the right engine so they'd start the right first to identify issues by sound then start the left, which they'd be able to see out the window. Is there any validity to that or is it just a rumor?
The irony of this video after the girl managed to get the King Air started in Fresno, CA haha
I doubt she had the training or proper permission to access that airplane.
@@AviatorMark Obviously she didn't, I thoroughly enjoyed this video. I just thought the timing was funny.
Seager Aviation Id like to see that video.
What are the Engine Conditioner for ?
stealhty1 Fuel ⛽️ control.
Why start the right engine first? I'm 21,000 hours ATP, and have always started the engine closest to pilot first.........
TOMMY WATKINS Good question. Our checklist specifies the right engine to be started first as the battery compartment is in the right wing, at least on the King Air 90. There is less resistance due to the cable length being shorter to the right engine. You could certainly start the left first especially if the engines were already warm or you were using a cart to start but in most cases it’s best to minimize the strain you put on the batteries and then on the generators after start as well - that is also why we come to high idle before starting the next engine.
Also could be habit, I instruct part time as well but in the airline we always start right side first because usually there is a gate and ground crew maneuvering on the left. We start left side on the push back. When i go back to instructing i tend to continue with that habit lol (for aircraft that dont specify which side to start first)
I have the exact same plane in my school so I finnk start it 😂😂😂
I’m sure this is a stupid question, but why is starting a plane engine so much more complicated than starting a car engine?
Ian Duncan They just do that to make pilots feel smart. 😉
Ian Duncan These engines are turboprop (jet turbine) engines, not your normal reciprocating engines in cars and other general aviation aircraft. When I flew Cessnas and Piper Cherokees with recip engines, they do start similar to a car engine by turning a key. Hope that helps.
Ian Duncan maybe you should go back and watch the video again, this time paying attention? Your car doesn’t have a I TT.
Fuel pumps?
François Dion Not sure what you’re asking but if you’re wondering if we have them the answer is yes.
@@AviatorMark Yes, I am pretty sure you had them it's just that I didin't see that part in the procedure, so I was wondering.
Brian did you have a Beautiful Blessed Christmas Day with your family members and friends because I sure did and Knowing Thar We celebrated at Church on Christmas Eve with songs and praise and knowing that Jesus Christ love us all
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I wish the instructor would have taken the time to explain the importance of monitoring exhaust gas temperatures, many people watching wouldn't know what this is about.
Dennis Brown This is not a comprehensive ground lesson. The students all get that before coming to the aircraft.
@@AviatorMark Just sayin............
No battery cart? The B90 could never start with the ship’s battery
Mikey Riley That’s right. We rarely use the cart for the E-90. In fact I might even have to look up the procedure it’s been so long.
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nice pretty airplane...
but the airplane with 2 propellers musts be opposite spins same as V-22 osprey...
not good same propellers spins...
pilot man dont need to use a black cooooooool tint sunglass
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Ah yes, when a student repeats the last syllable of the end of a sentence, repeatedly...
CFI flashbacks lol 😂 Sorry to trigger your PTS 😬
Great. Now you are teaching every Iran Muslim how to start a plane
john doe You’re so brave spreading your bigoted hate under the name John Doe.
Poor practice, never cleared left engine before engaging starter!
It was cleared. Thanks though.
1:12 What part of “check here” and make sure it’s clear while looking left and “check make sure it’s clear over there” while looking right don’t you understand? Did you want us to open the windows and yell “clear prop” like they do in a Cessna 150, even though we can see both the top and bottom of our prop and know that it is clear visually? That is not how we teach it in the King Air.
Also, not sure where your other comment saying we didn’t clear the area went. Not sure what you’re wanting here.
You said the video evidence doesn’t support my statement that the “area was clear”? What are you seeing? What wasn’t clear? Did you see something out there that we missed?
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12% ng!! Hahha! What a joke! Bro, get as much Rpm’s as possible. Faster speeds mean cooler starts, and less wear and tear on the engine. At 12% you’re gonna get ass pucker close to TIT peaking at redline.
I tend to follow the checklist over youtube comments but thanks.
Siegwart Aviator that mentality right there is why you’re a pilot and not an aviator. The fact you replied in this manner is a clear display of your arrogance and know-nothingness. Let me break this down simply since you have a UA-cam channel and that entitles you to publish your inaccuracies: axial compression to centrifugal... think real hard now... engine is spinning, drawing in air, u hear the ticking sound from the plugs and... when you introduce the fuel guess what - it has to be spinning at a certain speed to kick out the initial hot gas from the light off. So numbnuts, that’s why when you get more compressor speed you’ll see cooler starts. 12-13% NG is a minimum, retard!!!!
Ese KING AIR 90 te lo prendo con los ojos cerrados es igual al mío ese. Lo tengo bien guardado en MÉXICO y te lo levanto a 90 nudos y te lo bajo a los mismos 90 nudos . Lo más que lo he subido es hasta 31,000 pies