Each Mishima feels unique despite similar tools, and their presentation has leveled up with Tekken 8. My favorite distinction is the color of lightning. Dark Blue, Red, Purple/Yellow, and Blue/Orange.
Reina was the reason I got into tekken to begin with. I remember when I said, "If I can get Tenryu, I'll be happy." But now I'm Bushin and about to be Tekken King with her😅. Time sure does fly.
I hate people like you,you wait for tekken to get nerfed THEN you started playing and you use a cheap ass mishima. I have no respect for you as a tekken player,you don't count.
@ wow you really don’t know the Mishima archetype lol the bear only gets electrics in heat The real Mishimas are a character archetype that consists of the same core concepts that make them distinctive mishimas. Which are the flash punches, power mids, wave dashes, electrics & hell sweeps
@RationalMinded nah man not even, i meant looks wise. His moves in t7 were more grounded, nuanced and had this swavve motion to them. Now its just "big emotional emo man beats you to death"
@@sebastianmoscoso9404 It's definitely a more anime moveset now, I agree, but it makes sense since he's now at peace with the devil. The only bits I don't care for are the clawing LOL. Looks very barbaric, like it's beneath Jin as a character.
I really like how they made each Mishima (and Kazama) even more distinct from each other than before, visuals included My only gripe is that I think Jin's braindead stuff needs to be nerfed and his more execution demanding based tools should be encouraged more, then I'm happy
I hope they ll fix kazuya’s heat bound one day so we get those sick 5x ewgf combos. All of em have it except kazuya abd maybe devil jin which is fucking annoying
I’ve been strictly playing Jin and Devil Jin since Tekken 5, (T7 being when I started playing seriously), it literally being years since I’ve picked up anyone else, but between Devil Jin feeling too gimmicky at this rate, despite looking phenomenal, and the direction they took Jin in essentially killing all of the novelty surrounding playing the character for me, I was in quite a bit of a character crisis for a while despite how much of a good spot the Mishimas generally are now in. So, grasping at straws, I gave Reina a shot despite actively never playing anyone else before, and it panned out really well. Her poking feels airtight, her movement surrounding SS electrics is seamless, her wall travel feels comical, and I feel like I’m always discovering things with the character due to her layered kit. Her aggression complements my playstyle a lot too.
Jin and Devil Jin have been my most consistent mains since I first started playing Tekken with its fifth installment (at the ripe ol' age of five). I started playing Kazuya, Heihachi, Hwoarang, and Asuka during the Tag 2 and Tekken 7 eras and I'm glad I did. Reina and Jun have also rounded out my selection of mains going into Tekken 8, but Jin and Devil Jin always have a place in my heart.
I picked Reina as my first character in Tekken 8, but it turned out that the sheer rust from Tekken 6 needed shaking off and Reina was too demanding for my mechanical understanding of the game at the time. So I started with Azucena, then moved to my old main Eddy when she got nerfed into the ground. Once I hit Fujin with him I felt ready to tackle Reina again. I've been having a blast with her since. The sense of freedom you can get with her when you enter a flowstate of aggression makes all the extra work you need to put in so worth it.
reina just feels stupidly good to play but not in the unfair my character is just better like jin she is the mishima that has the tools for every job but you need to pick the right one
EWGF is the best move in the game. Mishimas, other than DJ, all have solid punishment, defense, and neutral control. It's not hard to see why these characters are good but they deserve it because of how much harder they are to use than other characters.
No he doesn't need it.. he's completely different character compared to T7, in this game he has much more range so making his df12 as good as before would be silly.
@@JustAnte9557 FF4 has the least amount of tracking i've seen on a move so just sidestep it anywhere you want amd you get a free launch punish, his uf1 is plus and it has some range, you can just duck it and boom launch punish it.
@renelopez3547 ff4 is a great button, it's an amazing move, you're cherry picking.. going by your logic ewgf is bad cause one can duck and boom dvj gets launched.. Spare me and don't bother anymore
Just to put it out their for the devil jin players. Devil jin charge mix up isn't gonna feel low tier when your at the wall. Bro might have issues right now, but you would be surprised how quick he could become busted
Devil Jin is my favorite with Renia as a close second but I just love Devil Jin to much to stop playing him. But overall I agree with your takes about every Mishima. Devil Jin just need to a little bit more towards his neutral and he'll be fine. Love the video and stream keep up the great work 👍
My first character was Heihachi, and I had no idea he was so difficult. I will say, in Tekken 8, no better feeling than a good match playing as Kazuya, but I love all the Mishimas, even though they nerfed DJ too hard.
Really sad about how Devil Jin has been treated post-launch. I hope that, between the new move(s) he gets in season 2 and the balancing, he'll get back into shape This might be a bit too much, but I'd really like if he got some moves from Angel Jin. Obviously, tweaked for fairness, but they just looked really dope
My wishlist for Devil Jin adjustments is Buffs: - df1 being -4 on block and having a mid extension. And a -1 high extension since you can crouch it. - cancellable 1+2 like T7 (idk why they even removed that). - 1.5x increase to the range of Demon Paw. - crouchdash out of Demon Lance charge-up. - little extra range to hellsweep and neutral Heat Smash. - i25 or i26 cd1+2. - MC Heat Smash should remove recoverable health. - Fly extension on block for Samsara, like in T7. Make it -17 on block when used. - A way to pull back from MC kinda like Kazumi did with her float in T7. (That might be asking for too much though) Nerfs: - Half charged Demon Lance should NOT be +24 at the wall, especially if he ends up getting a cd extension. The +17 he gets in the open is beyond fine. - Samsara's right side tracking is a little bit silly imo. Reducing it would be necessary if he gets his Fly stance on block back. - Hellsweep relaunch at the wall looks like it was not supposed to be there. While it is cool, I'd take that away in favor of his other options. - MC Heat Smash doing even less damage would be ok with me as long as the formerly mentioned buff is applied. Everything else can stay the same imo. I don't think he'd be among the best of the Mishimas, but at least he'd stand a chance.
I do agree with Jin being an easy to pick up character is a good thing. He brings tekken into the mainstream audiance making tekken more popular than every.
@@ColonCommander Show me anyone who can read best Dragunov in the world and made him block and also parried him like he was a predictable red rank masher
@@Devil_Mishima 1 match, god of tekken 8 needs to be dominant against everyone. I don’t know who’d that be but he doesn’t have any big tournament wins in t8. But yeah that was an insane match especially who had been playing better than him the whole year.
@@ColonCommander You're dodging the question, thus you're not able to provide any evidence to change my mind or statement. He did that multiple times by the way, Keisuke also pressured leafen or whatever that Pakistani dragunov player's name was into a submission with his wavedashes and 50/50, he did lost but that was one sight to be behold of. Just look up Keisuke in tournaments
They’re more popular because you no longer have to climb the execution mountain to win with them. Pick your Mishima, pop your heat and slam your head into your controller and you win in Tekken 8
Great video as usual. Can you make a video about the worst five characters in the game? Why they are so bad and what they need to me better like others and so on... . 🙏
My suggestions for Devil Jin buffs aside from what you nailed in the video (df1 buff and Demon's Paw range buff): • Make wavedash 1+2 a few frames faster • Bring back the range (not tracking) of the psycho-crusher rage art • Damage buff to one of his two hellsweeps (preferably the launching hellsweep) Honestly, I don't know what else I would add here. However, Jin needs nerfs more than Devil Jin needs buffs. Still, #buffdeviljin
Reina has a hellsweep that does like 30 dmg, gives +6 and puts her in stance. She also has low pokes that don't get her killed on block like ss4 db4. Heihachi only really has cd4 which goes into a mixup with a low launcher and a mid. As well as db3 for lows. Since db2 is reactable to good players.
@@CosmicVoid420 So being forced into stance options, slow small pokes vs low launching 50/50, quick low spike. 50/50 low mid on full crouch, ability to make hellsweep not punishable... damn I wonder whose lows are better.
How are heihachi's lows bad when he can launch you from his hellsweep into an electric combo for like 70 dmg? Seems like a nice combo route to have to me
I think Namco did a really good job in Tekken 8 with the Mishimas. They all feel different, and for me, most of them are fun. (I don’t know why, but Jin and Reina feel a little boring to me. However, it seems like many people enjoy them, so that’s great!) They also feel pretty powerful but not overpowered-even Devil Jin and Heihachi feel good to play. At least that’s my experience up to blue-Tekken King rank; I’m not sure how it is in higher ranks.
All mishimas lost their identity in 8. A characters weaknesses are more important than their strengths. Shit game where everyone plays the same launcher into 5050 into kill.
Great video. Mishimas haven't been weak since Tekken 6br. TTT2 brought them back to life and they've been strong ever since. Jin going from a specialist character to a pick-up-and-play character was a good move. Unfortunately he's just annoying to play against at all levels and I hope he gets the nerf that's coming to him because I think the many complaints are legitimate.
6:08 iam sorry bro but landing more than one 3.1 cancel is almost impossible due to timing/window being so strict compared to CNT kazuya where 3.1 cancels we're usable for wall-travel, when i hit 2x 3.1 cancel in online match i feel like a winner, but its not reliable at all. His wall-travel is still really poor compared to TK7 kazuya, Classic execution expect PEWGF is gone, DF+1 has hitbox so strict that 90% of kazuya players will still go for 2x EWGF -> 3.1 route, because its reliable. His wall-travel starts to shine only when you're able to pull out 3x EWGF to df1.2 micro-dash because you got full 3.1 into cancel without delaying.
I think devil jin's case is, the developer is kinda confused abt devil jin's attacking gameplan. That's why his tools are kinda unbalanced. All they need is to watch the devil jin's player replays and review them. I'm sure they can see what the players are struggling with
I can't rank Heachi cuz unfortunetley i haven't bought him but after arround 200 hs or so on the game here's my personal ranking of the mishimas in this game. 1)Devil Jin: for some reason I cannot stop playing him, he's so stupid fun, can rob people like crazy cuz of evasion and stupid gimmicks despite being bottom 5 and he has the best voice acting in the game, his also full of advanced tech stuff like Instant wr2 and cd cancel wr3. Sometimes he's a struggle to play but I will never abbandon my boy; 2) Reina: belive it or not i used to be completley indifferent to this character and even found her a bit boring, then I acually tried and learn her. All i can say is she is BY FAR the best newcome in the entire series, only thing i'm not a huge fun off is the design despite me loving characters wearing purple; 3) Kazuya: always wanted to main kaz even in tekken 7 but i was pissed I couldn't play his devil form (unless i used rage) so guess what, Harada head my prayers and also gave him the only drip who can rival Devil Jin, the only thing i don't like is not having a 15 frame bufferable launcher from blockstun; 4) Jin: yes I would pile him into the mishimas despite being a hybrid with the Kazamas. Best rework in the Tekken series imo, and it's a great choice if you wanna play a character with mishima tools but also don't wanna overelay on them (wich lets you learn the archtype at your own pace) the only thing I don't like is his elettric so automatically he was gonna be at the bottom of my list but i still love him and his new drip (Jin in white is better than Jin in red fight me).
she has some lows but also the unbreakable grabs those have basically the same porpuse and lets not act like her hellsweep cant put u into a blender by canceling out of the stance with a cd and doing a hellsweep again
Hi hi devil Jin player here. I mean yeah he’s not “good” but you can work around his flaws. He may not have a wholely rounded kit but the wonders of him sucking is NOBODY knows your matchup and you can throw out some wild stuff
Devil Jin isn’t even CLOSE to the worst character in the game The worst character in the game was probably raven !! Who just got a 15 frame launcher like what !! And jack -8 fuckn sucks too! And leo is almost trash too. Bruh. And the bears? There’s a LINE of characters that are worse than devil Jin . Omg stop complaining already
The reason they destroyed Devil jin is because of the feedback off all the noobs who played tekken for the first time calling him broken. This is my last tekken.
Honestly not suprised that Keisuke beat Uslan, Drag is pretty bad into Kazuya as Kazuya can just launch all of his lows. Even JDCR agreed with me and other strong Kazuya players
I don’t buy the devil Jin being trash narrative. I know he has his weaknesses but what does not have besides solid poking? His mids are good, he has a throw game, guard break he can use whenever he wants, good crouch punishment, zoning tools, really good reversal, the best hellsweep, & the best electric
devil jin players would probably say something like "his mids sucks because uf4 doesnt knockdown" "ff2 has no pushback on block" "hellsweep sucks because cd4,1+2 combo does recoverable damage and gives no oki. cd44 also sucks because it only does 35 dmg."
@ I’m gonna be all the way real bro. Never take anything Mishima players say seriously lol These dudes & Bryan players are some of the most intellectually dishonest down players in the community
@ yeah man the Mishima/bryan elitist cult is very very real and cringe as hell lol Hworang players do downplay a shit ton as well K wiss is probably one of the few reasonable hworang players when it comes to addressing the real about their character
He has been a mishima in terms of gameplay just his tools side step weakness is flipped to otherside. Tekken 8 Jin however is much more different than other mishimas compared to older Tekkens
bro no kidding i was going to drop tekken because my favorite was was dragunov but watching everyone play it because he is OP make me sad, i played drag in tekken 7. but after watching the trailer of heihachi GOD DAM ( oh sorry i forgot to mention my second favorite character was heihachi i tekken 7).
Jin is not a tournament ready character in Tekken 8. You'll only see him in the hands of purists, but he is not winning anything; he has too many exploitable weaknesses for tournament.
Even as a Waifu player I love watching Keisuke's Kaz. Mishimas are Cool characters.... it's just a huge shame that the majority of the playerbase are far from Cool.
Jin was really cool in T7. now he's one of that dumb ass character that can get you a win with minimal effort. seriously a stance that gets you auto electric? that's a disrespect to ewgf
let it be clear, keisuke is a God with Kazuya. There is no other Keisuke, and there is no oher pro that can bring Kazuya to this level. Let it be clear
Heihachi may be fun to play as, but not against him. Why does he have the same damage as Kuma with his moveset? I met Heihachi in ranked who, starting a combination, would kick you across the entire arena and practically destroy your entire HP bar at once. And yes, I know it can be dodged, but that doesn't justify it doing too much damage.
to get that kind of damage is a product of high execution, shit lows and shit tracking. He is very balanced. That high damage doesnt comes easy unless you do electrics well which is a very difficult thing to do. Also his poking is weak which is why he is not played in tournaments.
@@viktorluhovoi9367 you can have your opinion on the damage but he has clear cut weakness which makes him a good character overall. Can say that for Dragunov or Nina.
Those clickbaits are starting to get irritating. Mishimas since T6 have never been even remotely as strong as in T5/T5DR. Kazuya today couldn't hold a candle to his self from back then. Same with Heihachi and Devil Jim. Reina is mid. Jin is not even Mishima.
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Each Mishima feels unique despite similar tools, and their presentation has leveled up with Tekken 8. My favorite distinction is the color of lightning. Dark Blue, Red, Purple/Yellow, and Blue/Orange.
Dont forget brown.
🐻
@@TheXell Isn't Kuma's god fist red with water effects?
@@GoldenStorm-gs7lx yeah
Reina was the reason I got into tekken to begin with. I remember when I said, "If I can get Tenryu, I'll be happy." But now I'm Bushin and about to be Tekken King with her😅. Time sure does fly.
And after you reach tekken king you'll be like , might aswell get to tekken god
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I hate people like you,you wait for tekken to get nerfed THEN you started playing and you use a cheap ass mishima. I have no respect for you as a tekken player,you don't count.
I'm still flame ruler but still rising!
Let’s not forget the most buffed Mishima. The one who won the TWT. Heihachi’s favourite child, Kuma.
Kuma is the best Mishima. 😂
Everyone talks about Mishimas but forget about Kuma, Heihachis prodigal Son.
For that alone, Devil Jin should be nerfed.
#nerfdeviljin 👏👏🗣️📢
Because the bear isn’t a Mishima playstyle wise that’s why
@@versatilelord8893 Only Mishimas have electrics, Kuma has electrics = Kuma is a Mishima
@ wow you really don’t know the Mishima archetype lol
the bear only gets electrics in heat
The real Mishimas are a character archetype that consists of the same core concepts that make them distinctive mishimas. Which are the flash punches, power mids, wave dashes, electrics & hell sweeps
@@versatilelord8893 Kuma has hellsweep = Mishima
Who else agrees that jins moveset was way cooler in t7 than in t8
I think his moveset LOOKS more appealing now animation-wise, but he was definitely a more respectable character in Tekken 7.
@RationalMinded nah man not even, i meant looks wise. His moves in t7 were more grounded, nuanced and had this swavve motion to them. Now its just "big emotional emo man beats you to death"
@@sebastianmoscoso9404 It's definitely a more anime moveset now, I agree, but it makes sense since he's now at peace with the devil. The only bits I don't care for are the clawing LOL. Looks very barbaric, like it's beneath Jin as a character.
@@RationalMindedfr devil jin should have them
@@RationalMindedJin started a world war in a failed effort to get rid of his devil gene, it is not beneath him lmao
I really like how they made each Mishima (and Kazama) even more distinct from each other than before, visuals included
My only gripe is that I think Jin's braindead stuff needs to be nerfed and his more execution demanding based tools should be encouraged more, then I'm happy
Did you just talk about Jin without stomping on his mains? Without disrespecting us? How dare you!
jins only "more execution demanding based tools" are hook fist and uppercut, he doesnt have any other execution
@ LLRK, zen cancels as well
@@trigger7814 hellsweeps are not execution and you don't need to do a zen cancel ever in your life with jin, it is a relic of the past.
I think you hate Jin so much that you can't find shelter against him, is that right
I hope they ll fix kazuya’s heat bound one day so we get those sick 5x ewgf combos. All of em have it except kazuya abd maybe devil jin which is fucking annoying
I’ve been strictly playing Jin and Devil Jin since Tekken 5, (T7 being when I started playing seriously), it literally being years since I’ve picked up anyone else, but between Devil Jin feeling too gimmicky at this rate, despite looking phenomenal, and the direction they took Jin in essentially killing all of the novelty surrounding playing the character for me, I was in quite a bit of a character crisis for a while despite how much of a good spot the Mishimas generally are now in.
So, grasping at straws, I gave Reina a shot despite actively never playing anyone else before, and it panned out really well. Her poking feels airtight, her movement surrounding SS electrics is seamless, her wall travel feels comical, and I feel like I’m always discovering things with the character due to her layered kit. Her aggression complements my playstyle a lot too.
Jin and Devil Jin have been my most consistent mains since I first started playing Tekken with its fifth installment (at the ripe ol' age of five). I started playing Kazuya, Heihachi, Hwoarang, and Asuka during the Tag 2 and Tekken 7 eras and I'm glad I did. Reina and Jun have also rounded out my selection of mains going into Tekken 8, but Jin and Devil Jin always have a place in my heart.
I picked Reina as my first character in Tekken 8, but it turned out that the sheer rust from Tekken 6 needed shaking off and Reina was too demanding for my mechanical understanding of the game at the time. So I started with Azucena, then moved to my old main Eddy when she got nerfed into the ground. Once I hit Fujin with him I felt ready to tackle Reina again. I've been having a blast with her since. The sense of freedom you can get with her when you enter a flowstate of aggression makes all the extra work you need to put in so worth it.
reina just feels stupidly good to play but not in the unfair my character is just better like jin she is the mishima that has the tools for every job but you need to pick the right one
EWGF is the best move in the game. Mishimas, other than DJ, all have solid punishment, defense, and neutral control. It's not hard to see why these characters are good but they deserve it because of how much harder they are to use than other characters.
Flash is the best move in the game. You don't even have to use it for it to turn your opponent into a potted plant
Hey where's Lars in your thumbnail bro? 😂
I agree, Devil Jin Needs his old df+1, 2 and also increase the range of his ff2 and half assed psycho crusher.
No he doesn't need it.. he's completely different character compared to T7, in this game he has much more range so making his df12 as good as before would be silly.
@@JustAnte9557T8 Devil Jin has less range than he had in T7. The only 'range' upgrade he got was morning crow stance.
@sizzle5775 ff4, uf1, and morning crow make his range superb.. you guys just look for reason to complain cause u can't play the game
@@JustAnte9557 FF4 has the least amount of tracking i've seen on a move so just sidestep it anywhere you want amd you get a free launch punish, his uf1 is plus and it has some range, you can just duck it and boom launch punish it.
@renelopez3547 ff4 is a great button, it's an amazing move, you're cherry picking.. going by your logic ewgf is bad cause one can duck and boom dvj gets launched..
Spare me and don't bother anymore
Just to put it out their for the devil jin players. Devil jin charge mix up isn't gonna feel low tier when your at the wall. Bro might have issues right now, but you would be surprised how quick he could become busted
Devil Jin is my favorite with Renia as a close second but I just love Devil Jin to much to stop playing him.
But overall I agree with your takes about every Mishima.
Devil Jin just need to a little bit more towards his neutral and he'll be fine.
Love the video and stream keep up the great work 👍
My first character was Heihachi, and I had no idea he was so difficult. I will say, in Tekken 8, no better feeling than a good match playing as Kazuya, but I love all the Mishimas, even though they nerfed DJ too hard.
"most of the mishimas are back baby"
# redeem devil Jin
Devil Jin bec of Qudans, but now im practicing Reina she's too cool
Really sad about how Devil Jin has been treated post-launch. I hope that, between the new move(s) he gets in season 2 and the balancing, he'll get back into shape
This might be a bit too much, but I'd really like if he got some moves from Angel Jin. Obviously, tweaked for fairness, but they just looked really dope
Devil Jin might be bottom tier, but in visuals… HE IS TOP TIER! 😈❤️🔥
My wishlist for Devil Jin adjustments is
Buffs:
- df1 being -4 on block and having a mid extension. And a -1 high extension since you can crouch it.
- cancellable 1+2 like T7 (idk why they even removed that).
- 1.5x increase to the range of Demon Paw.
- crouchdash out of Demon Lance charge-up.
- little extra range to hellsweep and neutral Heat Smash.
- i25 or i26 cd1+2.
- MC Heat Smash should remove recoverable health.
- Fly extension on block for Samsara, like in T7. Make it -17 on block when used.
- A way to pull back from MC kinda like Kazumi did with her float in T7. (That might be asking for too much though)
Nerfs:
- Half charged Demon Lance should NOT be +24 at the wall, especially if he ends up getting a cd extension. The +17 he gets in the open is beyond fine.
- Samsara's right side tracking is a little bit silly imo. Reducing it would be necessary if he gets his Fly stance on block back.
- Hellsweep relaunch at the wall looks like it was not supposed to be there. While it is cool, I'd take that away in favor of his other options.
- MC Heat Smash doing even less damage would be ok with me as long as the formerly mentioned buff is applied.
Everything else can stay the same imo. I don't think he'd be among the best of the Mishimas, but at least he'd stand a chance.
I do agree with Jin being an easy to pick up character is a good thing. He brings tekken into the mainstream audiance making tekken more popular than every.
Heihachi has been one of my favorites since T3. But I've been avoiding him because of the execution.
Just don’t give up I went from Garyu heihachi to bushin with dedication
Keisuke is the god of Tekken 8
How 😂
@@ColonCommander Show me anyone who can read best Dragunov in the world and made him block and also parried him like he was a predictable red rank masher
@@Devil_Mishima 1 match, god of tekken 8 needs to be dominant against everyone. I don’t know who’d that be but he doesn’t have any big tournament wins in t8. But yeah that was an insane match especially who had been playing better than him the whole year.
Without a single EVO or TWT championship? How?
@@ColonCommander You're dodging the question, thus you're not able to provide any evidence to change my mind or statement. He did that multiple times by the way, Keisuke also pressured leafen or whatever that Pakistani dragunov player's name was into a submission with his wavedashes and 50/50, he did lost but that was one sight to be behold of. Just look up Keisuke in tournaments
I think meshima should be top tier they are really fun to watch and play and they’re so hard
Mishimas are so back, that the pet won TWT final
Tekken 8 my first tekken. Kaz my main, im tekken emperor. And im in love with Mishima family
They’re more popular because you no longer have to climb the execution mountain to win with them. Pick your Mishima, pop your heat and slam your head into your controller and you win in Tekken 8
All my homies love Mishimas
Especially Reina
Leemishsima even Played Lee in the groupe Phase and i saw one Player playing Lars.... So even them were in the Tournament 🌹 Just excellent
Lars is a mishima too
Great video as usual. Can you make a video about the worst five characters in the game? Why they are so bad and what they need to me better like others and so on... . 🙏
My suggestions for Devil Jin buffs aside from what you nailed in the video (df1 buff and Demon's Paw range buff):
• Make wavedash 1+2 a few frames faster
• Bring back the range (not tracking) of the psycho-crusher rage art
• Damage buff to one of his two hellsweeps (preferably the launching hellsweep)
Honestly, I don't know what else I would add here. However, Jin needs nerfs more than Devil Jin needs buffs.
Still, #buffdeviljin
They need to add blue spark to PEWGF!
How are Reina's lows better than Heihachi's?
Reina has a hellsweep that does like 30 dmg, gives +6 and puts her in stance. She also has low pokes that don't get her killed on block like ss4 db4.
Heihachi only really has cd4 which goes into a mixup with a low launcher and a mid. As well as db3 for lows. Since db2 is reactable to good players.
@@CosmicVoid420 So being forced into stance options, slow small pokes vs low launching 50/50, quick low spike. 50/50 low mid on full crouch, ability to make hellsweep not punishable... damn I wonder whose lows are better.
I hope they continue the story... We wait for the meeting of all Mishima's : Jun, Reina, Jin, Kazuya and maybe Asuka 😂
How are heihachi's lows bad when he can launch you from his hellsweep into an electric combo for like 70 dmg? Seems like a nice combo route to have to me
Simple answer , they’ve made them incredibly easier to use
What about my boy, Lars? He's technically a Mishima.
still.. his gameplay doesnt represents mishima at all... more like tekken force martial arts..
Unfortunately Kuma is more of a Mishima than Lars.
don't compare a monkey to a mishima!! >:((
lars was a mistake
Hoping our boy gets some of that Mishima-secret-technique juice in season 2. Safe to say his story strength is NOT reflected in his gameplay rn.
I think Namco did a really good job in Tekken 8 with the Mishimas. They all feel different, and for me, most of them are fun. (I don’t know why, but Jin and Reina feel a little boring to me. However, it seems like many people enjoy them, so that’s great!) They also feel pretty powerful but not overpowered-even Devil Jin and Heihachi feel good to play. At least that’s my experience up to blue-Tekken King rank; I’m not sure how it is in higher ranks.
Tekken 5 dr mishima's if you give them heat they're gonna make Tekken 8 mishima cry like a baby lmao.Nice video man👍👍
I'm investing into devil jin and hoping season 2 helps him out. If I get gud now, if he gets buffed I will actually become a demon in real life.
All mishimas lost their identity in 8. A characters weaknesses are more important than their strengths.
Shit game where everyone plays the same launcher into 5050 into kill.
An actual devil is weaker than his own mortal self😂
Yo pls don’t delete this video every time I try to watch the same video u delete it so please don’t delete this one cause this one is a good video
Jin being this simplified was not good for this game because he was the protagonist.
Lee Chaolan is technically a Mishima…💯
It was five Mishimas, you forgot Kuma
9:33 heresy. Dorrya for life
kazuya brought me to tekken 8🌍
Eddy Gordo whiff moves are very punishable -18 -15 -13 other tow moves are whiff punishable in tekken7 eddy whiff punishing is elite
I only wish for kazumi right now in season 2 of T8
My favorite Mishima is JINPACHI
Great video. Mishimas haven't been weak since Tekken 6br. TTT2 brought them back to life and they've been strong ever since.
Jin going from a specialist character to a pick-up-and-play character was a good move. Unfortunately he's just annoying to play against at all levels and I hope he gets the nerf that's coming to him because I think the many complaints are legitimate.
6:08 iam sorry bro but landing more than one 3.1 cancel is almost impossible due to timing/window being so strict compared to CNT kazuya where 3.1 cancels we're usable for wall-travel, when i hit 2x 3.1 cancel in online match i feel like a winner, but its not reliable at all.
His wall-travel is still really poor compared to TK7 kazuya, Classic execution expect PEWGF is gone, DF+1 has hitbox so strict that 90% of kazuya players will still go for 2x EWGF -> 3.1 route, because its reliable.
His wall-travel starts to shine only when you're able to pull out 3x EWGF to df1.2 micro-dash because you got full 3.1 into cancel without delaying.
Did they ever leave??
Hey!! Don't forget Kuma now 😂
We forgetting about LARS? 🤨
I think devil jin's case is, the developer is kinda confused abt devil jin's attacking gameplan. That's why his tools are kinda unbalanced. All they need is to watch the devil jin's player replays and review them. I'm sure they can see what the players are struggling with
I only like lars because he is a hybrid Mishima 😅
I can't rank Heachi cuz unfortunetley i haven't bought him but after arround 200 hs or so on the game here's my personal ranking of the mishimas in this game.
1)Devil Jin: for some reason I cannot stop playing him, he's so stupid fun, can rob people like crazy cuz of evasion and stupid gimmicks despite being bottom 5 and he has the best voice acting in the game, his also full of advanced tech stuff like Instant wr2 and cd cancel wr3. Sometimes he's a struggle to play but I will never abbandon my boy;
2) Reina: belive it or not i used to be completley indifferent to this character and even found her a bit boring, then I acually tried and learn her. All i can say is she is BY FAR the best newcome in the entire series, only thing i'm not a huge fun off is the design despite me loving characters wearing purple;
3) Kazuya: always wanted to main kaz even in tekken 7 but i was pissed I couldn't play his devil form (unless i used rage) so guess what, Harada head my prayers and also gave him the only drip who can rival Devil Jin, the only thing i don't like is not having a 15 frame bufferable launcher from blockstun;
4) Jin: yes I would pile him into the mishimas despite being a hybrid with the Kazamas. Best rework in the Tekken series imo, and it's a great choice if you wanna play a character with mishima tools but also don't wanna overelay on them (wich lets you learn the archtype at your own pace) the only thing I don't like is his elettric so automatically he was gonna be at the bottom of my list but i still love him and his new drip (Jin in white is better than Jin in red fight me).
The only thing that changed was that they made Reina swap positions with Heihachi, making Kazuya, Devil Jin, and Reina garbage.
9:14
>amazing poking
>no lows
she has some lows but also the unbreakable grabs those have basically the same porpuse and lets not act like her hellsweep cant put u into a blender by canceling out of the stance with a cd and doing a hellsweep again
Hi hi devil Jin player here. I mean yeah he’s not “good” but you can work around his flaws. He may not have a wholely rounded kit but the wonders of him sucking is NOBODY knows your matchup and you can throw out some wild stuff
Maybe make dj's b2 transition into mourning crow?
Devil Jin isn’t even CLOSE to the worst character in the game
The worst character in the game was probably raven !! Who just got a 15 frame launcher like what !!
And jack -8 fuckn sucks too!
And leo is almost trash too.
Bruh. And the bears? There’s a LINE of characters that are worse than devil Jin .
Omg stop complaining already
The reason they destroyed Devil jin is because of the feedback off all the noobs who played tekken for the first time calling him broken. This is my last tekken.
every mishima expect devil jin 😂😂, so sad for my main
Honestly not suprised that Keisuke beat Uslan, Drag is pretty bad into Kazuya as Kazuya can just launch all of his lows. Even JDCR agreed with me and other strong Kazuya players
I don't see anyone besides keisuke playing kazuya at high level
Mishimas are easy af now. All those Mishima sweats cannot make that argument anymore.
FREE DEVIL JIN
I don’t buy the devil Jin being trash narrative. I know he has his weaknesses but what does not have besides solid poking? His mids are good, he has a throw game, guard break he can use whenever he wants, good crouch punishment, zoning tools, really good reversal, the best hellsweep, & the best electric
devil jin players would probably say something like
"his mids sucks because uf4 doesnt knockdown"
"ff2 has no pushback on block"
"hellsweep sucks because cd4,1+2 combo does recoverable damage and gives no oki. cd44 also sucks because it only does 35 dmg."
@ I’m gonna be all the way real bro. Never take anything Mishima players say seriously lol
These dudes & Bryan players are some of the most intellectually dishonest down players in the community
@ I’m pretty certain they’re fine complaining to end until their character gets more buffs lol
@@versatilelord8893 bryan and devil jin players down play because of main man swe.
Hwoarang players are also chronic down players too
@ yeah man the Mishima/bryan elitist cult is very very real and cringe as hell lol
Hworang players do downplay a shit ton as well
K wiss is probably one of the few reasonable hworang players when it comes to addressing the real about their character
the only reason they are so populær is thanks to Kaz
REPEAT AFTER ME..... REGULAR JIN IS NOT A MISHIMA. that is all. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Tekken 9 Jin might return him to his roots
Too right man. And i dont also consider reina as one either. Just a wannabee mishima
I agree
He has been a mishima in terms of gameplay just his tools side step weakness is flipped to otherside. Tekken 8 Jin however is much more different than other mishimas compared to older Tekkens
Yea he shouldn't be in this video lol
jin being too op? oh ok no worry we nerf dvj instead of jin(help i am stuck at tekken emperor with dvj T_T)
bro no kidding i was going to drop tekken because my favorite was was dragunov but watching everyone play it because he is OP make me sad, i played drag in tekken 7. but after watching the trailer of heihachi GOD DAM ( oh sorry i forgot to mention my second favorite character was heihachi i tekken 7).
They got hellsweeps and 11 to
13 frame electrics. They always been good. Ppl just suck with them. And jin is a baby mode character
Dvj is not on the thumbnails😢
Yeah cool, but 4 viable mishimas + Jin. Add up the fact that the difficulty has been toned across the board to make up the most toxic timeline.
most mishima players never left tbh.
Jin ain’t a Mishima.
I do hope they fix DVJ, fam got overly nerfed too hard.
he has hellsweep , wavu , electric
His not a mishima@@agssilv5919
DVJ then it's not mishima am I right
Jin is not a tournament ready character in Tekken 8. You'll only see him in the hands of purists, but he is not winning anything; he has too many exploitable weaknesses for tournament.
Even as a Waifu player I love watching Keisuke's Kaz.
Mishimas are Cool characters.... it's just a huge shame that the majority of the playerbase are far from Cool.
Rise? When did mishimas ever decline? They've ALWAYS been the strongest and story focused. Wtf are you taking about the rise?
Damn bro 3 views in one minute? Always knew you were washed
Jin was really cool in T7. now he's one of that dumb ass character that can get you a win with minimal effort. seriously a stance that gets you auto electric? that's a disrespect to ewgf
I love Kazumi and misima family in tekken 7 but damn, Tekken 8 misima family is better
let it be clear, keisuke is a God with Kazuya. There is no other Keisuke, and there is no oher pro that can bring Kazuya to this level. Let it be clear
Jin deserves nerfs big time
Is it weird that I waited for Lars? 😔
reina has only 1 presence in the twt world tour
T7 heihachi and kazuya where very strong u just need a little bit of skill I perfer t7 kazuya and heihachi I miss launching omens
Jinpachi
Oh hell nah bro said Jin is a Mishima🤮
Heihachi may be fun to play as, but not against him. Why does he have the same damage as Kuma with his moveset? I met Heihachi in ranked who, starting a combination, would kick you across the entire arena and practically destroy your entire HP bar at once.
And yes, I know it can be dodged, but that doesn't justify it doing too much damage.
to get that kind of damage is a product of high execution, shit lows and shit tracking. He is very balanced. That high damage doesnt comes easy unless you do electrics well which is a very difficult thing to do. Also his poking is weak which is why he is not played in tournaments.
@@ChandanKumar-qc1iy
In my opinion, any character shouldn't have such high damage. He is popular now only because of that.
@@viktorluhovoi9367 you can have your opinion on the damage but he has clear cut weakness which makes him a good character overall. Can say that for Dragunov or Nina.
i needed 11:09 man😭 been playing him and julia since 5.
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Those clickbaits are starting to get irritating. Mishimas since T6 have never been even remotely as strong as in T5/T5DR. Kazuya today couldn't hold a candle to his self from back then. Same with Heihachi and Devil Jim. Reina is mid. Jin is not even Mishima.