Season Of Discovery- Rank 1 rogue PvP Rotation Guide Vs Every Class Guide Beat Them All!
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Season of discovery rogue mutilation PVP Guide versus every class in the game and how to beat them easily!
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7:28 mage cd managment
7:40 mage early stun mistake
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9:22 shadow priest 1
11:06 shadow priest 2
11:54 disc priest 1
12:21 disc priest 2
12:50 disc pre use WOF
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14:18 feral cat
14:42 feral bear
15:12 boomkin
15:44 balance starfall
16:25 druid trick blind
17:49 meta warlock
18:35 chaos bolt warlock
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21:29 beast mastery hunt
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Season Of Discovery- Feral Druid PvP Mangle Powershift META IS SATISFYING!
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Yo really nice video, you break down everything in a concise, easy to understand way. Good stuff.
Thanks man really appreciate that 😄
Thank you man, exactly what i was waiting for since im new to rogue in sod
thanks man and glad it could help :)
this was really nice breakdown of videos i loved watching each and every one of them.
thank you man really do appreciate that ^^
@@arenastories i wonder thou why do you use inbetween the eyes over kidneyshot?
aint it like better to save the 10 energy for more mutilate damage?
i mean i totally get it if the enemy is moving around.
It's lower % chance to miss with between the eyes due to ignoring dodge, parry, block table.
You are 100% right on saving energy and dealing max mutilate dmg for sure, it works fine:). But for me, personally I like a balance of damage and control, so for example if your fighting a warrior and he disarms you and u have a bleed on u. You can still stun him with your gun since between the eyes doesn't require a main hand weapon to work and you can stabilize and recover. Also vs mage it's a really good counter ability for blink and a good trick to play against druids to make them feel at ease changing to human form if u give them distance also vs rogues evasion and it can crit up to 600 damage depending on your weapon:). Overall kidney shot is still 100% viable and you can still rock with it but I just like having abit of reassurance that I have a plan B:)
spec and talents for this build ua-cam.com/video/fOc3GouDDLU/v-deo.html
Thanks for the nice Video ! Some good advice and stuff to learn and improve myself :) Would love to see you Stream. Cheers
Thanks for watching man:) I also do stream on UA-cam once a week^^
Amazing video! Thank you man
thanks for watching man :)
thank you man, I play this game so long but as not rogue main I learnt a lot from this video,
awsome man im glad it could help :)
thanks man glad it could help :)
I needed this soo bad let's gooo😊❤❤
glad it could help :)
Bro never fails to make my day and plays like a chad. Dude you should totally stream with voice I'd litreally pay for it. Your guides since wotlk have been helping me rock in pv0 for a year now thanks bro
damn thank you bro means alot
I've seen a few rogues in Discord sleeping on the Orc Hardiness racial, so I'm glad you show it happening against multiple classes here. It's more likely than not that an Orc will resist one of CS or BtE/KS. Here are some probabilities of BOTH stuns landing for my roguey brothers, assuming hit cap:
Non-Orcs (5% stun resist) - .95 * .95 = .9025, so 90.25% chance of landing both or 9.75% chance they resist one
Non-Orc Warrior w/ 5/5 Iron Will (20%) - .8 * .8 = .64 == 64% chance of landing both or 36% chance they resist one
Orc (30%) - .7 * .7 = .49 == 49% chance of landing both or 51% chance they resist one
Orc Warrior w/ 5/5 Iron Will (45%) - .55 * .55 = .3025 == 30.25% chance of landing both or 69.75% chance they resist one
yeah its actually crazy the amount of stun resists it hits, 70 resistance chance not to mention if it does land they can just trinket lol.
Perfect content.
What to when same build rogues opens on you?
I just move away from the pc and pray for a stun resists.
Im a NE rogue and we have a hard time against horde.
Its like 80%+ server is focking orc!!
thanks man:) so there 2 scenarios that can take place one is abit risky but could allow you to end up winning fast and the other is safer but you have to be patient and have good timing,
safer play: once the rogue opens on you will sit cheap shot and lost about 30% of your hp and once he kidney shots you you will sit that aswell the reason why you should survive those stuns is becasue your stamina should be 2500 or more as iv stated in previous videos stamina is #1 over anything only in pvp so stamina over agility,crit and strength. this is the reason why incase you need to sit stuns or if you dont have a trinket, once your out of the stuns you will most likey be at 40% or 30% hp. you go for an insta blind into bandage and if he trinkets the blind insta vanish into cheap shot and into kidney to even out the playing field. if he blinds you after kindney shot tho you wanna wait for him to sap you again and once he opens with cheap shot u trinket into blind on him.
risky play: you insta trinekt the first cheap shot into blind gain distance to where he cannot blind you then restealth, open cheap on him into kidney and he will most likley trinket kidney in which you vanish and either re open him depending on his hp or wait to find him when he vanishes. if he doesnt trinket the kidney you must rupture him and gain distance while cripling poison is on him and restealth and re open
Legend thank you so much!!!
thanks for watching!
very helpful thanks!
glad it could help ^^
Thanks m8 you are the best
thanks man really appreciate that :D
very nice guide! though i wish there was more race friendly options, instead of showing what you can do as a undead rogue, because what steps would i take if im on alliance for certain anti-fear's
hey man :) thats the awesome thing about every race it works best vs different classes for example if im a dwarf rogue i would be fighting other rogue in a completely diffrent opener and style since i can have a way out of poison and bleeds but it wont work well vs sp but you still have an upper hand vs warrior and rogue ^^. for undead its just warlocks and dps but other races have benifits vs other class^^.
Thanks!
thanks for watching :D
Awesome guide. I would have liked to see a few more enhancement shaman examples because of how broken they are right now. During stv event I opened up on an enhancement shaman cheap shot into full kidney he was at 20% hp at this point he pops potion at 5% hp and uses 2 globals: lava lash, wind fury proc earth shock and i was dead 100% to 0
thank man :) also yeah when ever your fighting shams you wanna have wound poison on so when he does pot it wont heal as much also you wanna keep distance once your out of energy and come back in and attack when u regen. he will waste mana to remove poisons to get you
Love the videos as always. Question - are rogues very unforgiving in SOD? I'm debating leveling one, but still unsure. How would it compare to wrath rogue? I am little put off by the energy tick system in classic, I strongly prefer the steady flow in wrath haha.
Also, race wise, is gnome>>>Orc>UD>>everything else? debating which race to roll.
Thanks again!
hey man :) would say if your looking to get into pvp in sod rogues is definitely not a mistake you win every 1v1 situation and are able to 2 shot people its really fun ^^. compared to wrath rogue there is definitely less setup needed in order to kill your target. yeah i know what you mean haha the energy tick system here is abit annoying but just remember everything is slower paced in vanilla so your opponents will be doing dmg slower aswell:). in terms of race for horde would say orc 100% or alliance dwarf or human
@@arenastories human? For perception? I thought gnome was bis for escape artist lol
gnome is best if your playing a warrior :). human for perception and you also gain sword skill or go dwarf for stone form to remove bleeds and poison basically cloaks of shadow@ol
@@arenastories oh I see. Does weapon skill work in PvP?
yes^
Great vid! Have any clips of duel vs meta lock that gets a drain life + healthstone?
thanks! i do have a few in my pvp montage but its without commentary
My friend plays a mean melee hunter (night elf) and they have way more than what is shown in this video.
They will frost trap you mid combat multiple times, as their trap launcher is a 15s cooldown. NE melee hunter can shadowmeld, and they can use stealth vision goggles/helmet with eagle eyes to see you from far away in stealth.
hey man :) so if the rogue is allowing the hunter to frost trap multiple times then he has a rotation issues or gear problem cause the rogue should be able to kill wiithin 10-12 seconds, if the hunter does scatter shot the rogue the rogue can wait for energy recovery and once hunter launches trap rogue trinkets into shadow step into evasion into sprint the hunter will do be able to handle it. also shadowmeld is only usuable when hes not in combat
Hey man what addon are you useing to show your energy tick out of combat???
Heey toxic it's called energynug :)
I couldn’t find the addon on curseforge
Hey man. Big fan, other then the warlock what poisons are you running for most classes Tysm :)
hey man :) for most classes who do not heal i run 2x cripling
@@arenastories thanks so much, your videos are goated. I assume for healing classes you run crippling on mh and anti heal on oh?
Thabk you brother❤ yes main hand cripplingand off hand wound :)@@maxcarroll5670
It's good to note 0:54 if you cheap before the energy tick rather than waiting for the tick as you say, you'd be at 76 energy after the cheap rather than 60. Much better to gain 20 energy from the tick than 4, same idea behind opening the moment before an energy tick when you're at 100 energy so you replenish right away.
ah yeah thats what i mean in the video but perhaps it didnt come across clearly hehe
ah gotcha, just figured I'd mention it since you did wait for the small tick rather than cs right before for a big juicy tick. Good stuff btw keep it up!@@arenastories
fantastic
thanks ^
Nice video as always mate, i would like to point out at 19:50 you say lock can win with death coil, they dont get death coil till level 42. Its why locks kinda suck this phase.
thanks man yeah lool assumed they would have it by for 40 mb there but rotation still works even in phase 3 once htey do get it ^^
Love the videos dude. Meta locks with void still stomp me. Not sure how to answer these without stunlock sap resets available
yeah with meta lock its the only thing that counters rogues atm the only way to win is to successfully elude life drain and curses in order to reset. since fighting them head on is mathematically impossible the amount of damage a rogue can produce with all crits which is not realistic is not enough to even kill the lock while 50 hp regain tick is happening and 600% Armour including 30% reduction dmg from pets. the only way to win is have 2 successful rets which is difficult but in the next coming weeks they will receive a massive nerf im sure of it. also thank you so much ^^
Whats the addon you use for energy ticks?
its called energynug
this is great information, however I am not sure how evasion still works on warriors. I poop evasion, then I let him hit me?
So what you want is too only dodged the first hit to avoid bleed and after that they get a 10 sec buff that allows them to use over power at that moment you do not want to be there for the 2nd hit and you should always be playing the dead zone vs them. Evasion is if you messed up the dead zone and if they charge you then you can trinket the charge into evasion to avoid hamstring or bleed then recover.
can you tell me how to restealth fast on combat?
couse sometime so hard to re stealth
you want to gouge your target and gain abit of distance the 5.5 sec gouge will be enough for it and you can stealth and shadow step back to him :)
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the legend is here!!!:D
I’d like to see what other rogues use in STV where it’s usually not 1v1. Builds too.
they either go for ambush backstab build or assa
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Bro also I had a serious question I'm thinking about going into youtube and starting a channel for real like you, whats your honest opinion about the work load and effort required. If I can make this a fun enjoyable experience and make some money on the side I would l8ke to try it. Would love to hear your thoughts 😊
Hey man well for one I wouldn't ever discourage anyone from doing youtube and would say go for it for sure❤ but will also be 100% honest and transparent that it takes a ridiculous amount of work and effort. If your already working a 9 to 5 and wanna do youtube I can tell you myself it's really difficult but I also do love what I do❤. So it feels enjoyable to me for sure but would say if you've already got alot on your plate try posting 1 video a week but if your fort starting out the way thr algorithm works is so random and you would have to make alot of videos to be discovered. I think iv put about 500 days of non stop work and over 1k videos on youtube. It is really enjoyable tho connecting with like minded people and having a sick community ❤!. But just bear in mind that putting maximum will take alot out of you. For example with this video it took me 7 days to create from collecting footage, editing and voice over also not to mention going through other footage that's not fun to use for viewers. Overall I would say go for it:) but don't do the mistake of over working yourself which I had done plenty of times. Find a pace that works for you and your viewers and enjoy the process along the way❤. Also remeber to research your niche before starting since other topics can be abit hard to penertrate on youtube. Really hope your channel does well and hope this helped ❤
@arenastories thank you for the honest answer! I really needed inspiration by someone who's already doing it. Also yes I agree with the amount of work that has to be done. Bro I litreally visit your channel every other day and see your posting an insane amount of videos I don't know how you do it your a beast. Thank you for your efforts and commitment 👏.
Feign retreat so the hunter sends pet, shadowstep on pet to Quickdraw on hunter... absolutely brilliant
Thank you!❤
When were you r1? Pulled you up on IF and shows your highest achieve as Rival.
Got multiple accounts I pvp with got rank 1 back in season 2 wotlk when I was human. But don't really play for rating anymore just for fun. Might climb to glad in cata tho would depend on the hype
fantastic, this is THE VIDEO I have been looking for as a new rogue. IMO rogue's have the highest skill cap of any class and when you are new, you just suck. this video is extremely helpful in getting better. thank you!!
thanks man glad it was helpful ^^
amazing video , why cant i add this to a playlist though ?
thanks man :) mmhhh try logging back into your youtube account or maybe another brower feature for youtube. i get that sometimes aswell hehe
You really should make a guide like this in wotlk classic
great idea im on it :D
Niiice
ty man ^^
hey man just heard one of your songs was wondering if it would be possible to use it one of my videos will give you credit OfCourse for your song :)?
@@arenastories I just sent you an e-mail with download link to all songs. Found the adress on your "about" :) Good luck on the video! Can't wait to see it :)
@@arenastories * Use anything you would like for your videos.
@@arenastories one more thing. Send me the files your using for your youtube banner and ill fix it for you to fit the page better.
How are you supposed to beat rogue if they have all CDs? Is there any counter play to rogue?
a good hunter can i think
Shadow priest, hunter, meta lock, warrior, paladin. Rogues are not unbeatable you mainly want to beat a rogue by pressur8ng him to waste everything to fast
What you mainly want is to make the rogue pop every cd as fast as possible. Would depend on what class you are ofc, for example I'd your playing a Pala you want to make the rogue waste his trinket asap so insta hoj and the Pala should eat 40% of the rogue hp in that time if the rogue doesn't trinket. Rogues do tend to trinket how out of pressure once rogue losses his trinket the Pala can now save rep to full cc the rogue in order to heal and not waste bubble or trinket and lay on hands
for visuals: nugkeyfeedback would be nice
will do thanks man ^^
rune ? spell rotation ? how to remove poison ? thanks man
hey man have a video on those for p2 but gonna make a new one for p3 ^^
Holy fuck I’ve played classic SO much in my life and I never realized that popping evasion against a warrior just lets them use overpower 🤦♂️🤦♂️
better late than never haha XD
I thought this was a meme about how hard was rogue rotation compared to other classes lmao
😂
Not sure why you didn’t use an addon like trufigcd to show what abilities you use
yh forgot to download it before tbh
cheap shot, get 5 combo point stay at distance and wait for full energy before you stun. stun with no energy is useless
Yeah u always wanna wait for the regen
So basicly rotation on every enemy, Mutilate , mutilate , mutilate, what a skill class!
Dude you forgot kidney shot.....then mutilate😂
ahh true@@arenastories
What is reason use evasion against warr?
if he gets to close and you can use it to dodge his first attack only
@@arenastories thanks
You do know that healing reduction doesn’t work on drain life right? And void sacrifice is a 1k+ shield not 2k
Just tested it does work, but you have to have poisoned wound stacks on him first before he presses life drain if he presses life drain first then he gets stacks then it doesn't. But overall yes it works
excatly^^
no deathcoil for warlock till lvl42 , but overall great video
yh mb there assumed locks got it at 40
Warriors left the game.
XDDD
On the pally , as soon he bubble you dont instant vanish, you first sprint and then you vanish out of range of his aoe stuff.
Edit: i kept watching the video and i dont like most of the 1v1, are you really good as rogue?
Dunno if your slow or something but he mentioned that already 0:13, he had sprint on cd.... and prob didnt wana pop prep
hey man yh i made 2 examples on why you should have sprint available once you vanish from AOE :)
thanks man ^^
no offense but both bear ferals played that really bad, a good feral who utilizes abolish+survival instincts+frenzied during your evasion and then berserks it would look completely different. good video though!
hey martin :) yes true the druid could have definetley played that off better but, if he did use survival instinct into frenzied regen i could just full gouge him and gain distance, wait for him to run and go human form use between the eyes for a stun and he will die, but that could be a bias view point since i am a rogue haha, also thank you so much ^^
3:19 is why rogues piss me off sometimes. attacks into retal for ~10 hits, dodges 7/10 of those hits lol
were sorry :(
You know that being rogue it's Dogshit in SoD when we're forced to use EVERY SINGLE LONG CD to kill any goddam class, any... it's sad really...
Other classes, all of them, can handle pvp in a variety of ways, we do only have 1 way and we still suck at it if we don't use all the skills at our disposal.
that ret paladin duel wasnt even a ret. he was specced into holy to get concecration.
yeah its hybrid :)
Im gonna bookmark this and use it like a bible. Read before sleep.
Lol
Amen
hehe :)
XD
oh btw forgot to message you i am in a pvp guild :D
Well, those hunter duels were poor af, no scatter, no traps, no nothing
if they did decided to scatter into trap i just trinket into step and full kidney and gg
just medalion ur opener with Freez trap into Intimidate of pet if u medalion Trap Intimidate stun 3 sec besically GG if not hunter gain distance to Africa+ if hunter has Serpent than evasion wont save u :D just saying@@arenastories
Oh that's even better tbh I want the hunter to trinket cheap so he sits full between the eyes. If I cheap into a mutilate and he trinkets cheap I already have 5x combo points. I will wait for him to waste frost trap on me and insta trinket it go in for full between the eyes into 2x mutilate then vanish. He then pops flare I would've already gained 1 energy tick and quick draw. Also have a gearing guide coming up on how to get 2500 hp as a rogue and deal alot of dmg so if he does have a serpent I can eat it's damage and evasion the hunter :)
im not sure if that can be pulled off how would you between the eyes if pet Intimidate u ? @@arenastories
@@arenastories I feel like surv hunt is the strongest right now,what do u think?
Rouge :/ need 40%nerf
shhh dont tell anyone
Although it's good I do have some criticism with the video. At 12:25 You can see the priest use fear and you don't catch it both in play, or in the video, incorrectly analyzing the play both times and wasting blind. It's not a big deal, but it's a guide after all. You could really make use of a cooldown tracking addon like ECDC, Omni CD, or a WA for this kind of stuff, which is just standard in 2024 for pvp. Pre wotf as a "mind game" is pretty whack advice and I think the clip at 12:25 really highlights it. You waste wotf, he wastes fear, you waste blind, it's just a mess. I'm all for minimalist UIs but I think you're doing a disservice as a guide maker by not using or recommending the most basic CD tracking addons that are fundamental to PVP in the modern era of WoW. You and your audience would benefit by using them, even if you hate addons typically.
hey man :) yeah the one thing i had wished i added was omni CD but was going in with the intent of making the video for fresh wow players who know nothing about wow or rogues, so tried keeping it as simple as possible for them, was worried that showing omni cd would confuse them and also didn't want to talk about addons as much besides energynug since i thought it would be abit confusing to new people, also in terms of the WOF i did state that its my own personal preference and that you don't have to use it pre stun on the priest, its just my own play style that i thought could be valuable to new players, i do find it extremely useful to keep up time on dmg and most of the at least 70% of the time when you do have the priest at really low hp they will want you off them immediately and they do tend to go for fear which is why i say i personally like to Pre wof for mind games to add pressure and predict but was only sharing my 2 cents there for pvp since iv been playing undead rogue for 9 years. i also do agree i welcome criticism in all my videos :) love when people do pay attention to the video and give their own analysis on what could be done better which i do appreciate ^^. been doing UA-cam for about a year now and still trying to get the hang of things, one thing i will look into is making a addon guide video for sure for those who are new and Aswell as experienced players that video will come out in 3 days' time.
@heymax23 you do know this is one of the best rogue players in 2024 right right😂? Also I watch that part and even if the druid did not go human for its still best to blind and it's a good idea to bait him into going human by not chasing like arena stories said. Overall iv learned ao much from these guides never stop making them! I tried watching perplexity and he won't explain anything he just says ohh take this talent...
@heyman23 what are you on about that's one of the best advice iv ever gotten!! Iv done it now 10 times vs priests and always win. Why are you hating on good tips from a legend...can you tell us a better guide??
Well, blind, prep, vanish... ofc you're supposed to win every single encounter will all your cds.
well it was mainly vs lock and priest you dont need to but was just displaying the best way to win without risk is all
You must do that vs spriest. If they get 1 dot on you u are basically screwed
trueee
Try to duel a really good Troll Priest 😆
Dueled over 200 priests now😂
little bro think warrior are a counter and is not running running with the punches or waylay ... warrior can only win a duel against a rogue if they crit like 4 time in a row ( they don't do that often.
) The mage your dueling are all bad and not representative at all ya randomly one shotting bad mage happen all the time reality is they will dot you and ice block and your dead.
Also, i wouldn't say fighting enhancement is easy.
Yo littler bro:) well if your facing a warrior who can time their charges correctly then it's pretty much GG and make a rogue waste trinket early and it's over. Also one of the mages in the video was actually Srenix but il let you guess which one^^. Also this video is for people learning to play rogue in SOD so it's for beginners. Mages won't survive an ambush crit and if he blocks and dots its even better meaning no sheep guarantee and insta blind him and if he trinkets blind I have a 2nd one waiting.
You have no idea what you’re talking about lil bro
Rogue is the easiest class to 1v1 with
Truee