Choice on Linux is a JOKE. Here's why.

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  • Linux users brag about all the choice they have, but most of those choices are just flat out bad. This might anger old fogies.
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  • @Trafotin
    @Trafotin  11 місяців тому +10

    I'm a dummy and Black Magic is headquartered in Australia. Still can't risk those scummy copyright holders though...

  • @igorgiuseppe1862
    @igorgiuseppe1862 11 місяців тому +26

    "9:59 open source does too"
    the issue with the FLOSS/Linux comunity is that we have a different defition of freedom from everybody else.
    if you ask an normal people what freedom is, they gonna say something like:
    being able to do whatever i want whenever i want.
    if you ask the same thing for an FLOSS/LInux users, they going to say "not being restricted on what i can do by a thirdy party" or something like that.
    what i mean by that is:
    proprietary software restrict our freedom by not leting us use the software for whatever we want, see the code, modify or distribute it, and spying on us.
    Free software allow us to do those things (without spying on us), and that is why we call it "freedom".
    but free software often lack some features, stability or anything that we need to achieve.
    for example, if didnt had "gimp" or any image editor, ,"blender" or any 3D content creation tool, "godot" or any game engine, libre office etc, by our own definition we would still have the same ammount of freedom, because no one is stoping us from developing those softwares then using then.
    its the opposite from an video game console where we cant run any code we want, just the licenced games and softwares.
    windows do allow us to develop softwares for it, but we cant modify windows code nor the code of any proprietary system, and that is why we dont count those as freedom respecting.
    but then, we have to take into account that not all people do want to code or even know how to do it.
    most people dont care at all, they just want to use the softwares that already exist to do anything they want, edit an image, make an game, music, 3D model or animation, it dont matter for then if the software is open source or not, it wont make any difference for then the only thing that matter is what softwares they have, what they can do with those softwares, an software that let you make the drawing, music, game you want to make , gives you freedom, it dont matter if its not open source or if there is an open source alternative for it (that often sucks).
    that reminds me when microsoft implied that xbox would give players "freedom" because it would allow then to customize their controllers with any color/color combination they want, that just proves that we can resignify words to mean whatever we want, that dont make then change their definition.
    the issue is: both types of people are WRONG.
    the floss/linux comunity is wrong because they are puting too much value in what the licence allow people to do, instead of what the software allow then to do, people just want to use good software, software that dont suck and allow then to do what they want to do using the software and not with the software itself.
    we are chosing the tech first then searching for a problem to solve with that, instead of focusing on the problem.
    for example: why do we have 1000 operating system choices, and 0 video editors that actually work ? not to mention that its incredibly hard to make money with open source, why not develop some good proprietary software first then open source it latter on when its already good?
    on the other hand, people who use proprietary softwares, dont understand the long time effects of their choices, open source software can evolve to do whatever they want, its not impossible for an FLOSS software to add the same features that the proprietary softwares have, its just a matter of time and funding, people give billions of dollars to proprietary software companies then complain when an open source software dont have the same features, yet, they use tons of FLOSS daily without realizing and without contributing.
    puting money on open source is like puting on schools, you create an long time benefit for the entire society even without realizing.
    the contribution you made for gimp may end up being re-used on blender for instance, you contribute once and tons of programers read the code to learn how it works, eveolve as developers and contribute to other softwares that you never heard of.
    the history of humanity evolution is shaped by sharing knowledge, all tech evolve thanks to that, all medicine progress was thanks to that, and open source does exaclty that yet we dont value it.

    • @thiagotofano
      @thiagotofano 11 місяців тому +3

      Criminally underrated comment! XD

    • @igorgiuseppe1862
      @igorgiuseppe1862 11 місяців тому +1

      @@weirdo3116 the issue is that the quality dont matter in terms of revenue, gimp may be the second best image editor software and dont make as much money as the thirdy best, not even close.
      its like: adobe: billions, thirdy best: billions, gimp 0$.
      im not saying gimp is the second best, i dont know what software is, but what we receive is disproportinally low.
      not to mention its a chicken and egg problem:
      you dont receive much money because your software isnt that good, then you cant invest into improving your software, then your software dont get any better, then people dont donate for it.
      when it comes to schools, there is the benefit that the general public nowadays know how important it is, and the government invest on it , but when it comes to floss software, no one know and no one invest.
      actually the ones who know about it are too busy trying to make money with it, they dont have money for thenselves let alone to help some other project.
      or they just give up on it, or they waste 8+ hours a day writing proprietary software to pay their bills, then 1~2 hours in their spare time writing floss to help the comunity/cause, if things stay like that its obvious the proprietary model will always have an edge.
      we need to show to people things like:
      no one believed in blender, yet here is where it is, how much it evolved despite no one investing on it, imagine if people had believed and donated to it back in the days?
      then point people toward promissing softwares that they can help.
      hell, people on crowdfunding give tons of moneys for projects of softwares and games that dont exist yet, like facerig or might n9, yet when it comes to donate for an floss software that already exists no one do.

  • @Coopertronics
    @Coopertronics 11 місяців тому +29

    Linux is less about choice and more about many standards that are generally ignored.

    • @kreuner11
      @kreuner11 11 місяців тому

      Then don't use Linux it that's what you're concerned about

    • @hamobu
      @hamobu 11 місяців тому +7

      ​@@kreuner11stop gatekeeping. There are reasons to use Linux even if it has flaws.

    • @kreuner11
      @kreuner11 11 місяців тому

      @@hamobu i wasn't gonna stop him from using Linux, it just seems annoying when people complain about muh standards when there are so many that are indeed followed and make it work

    • @Coopertronics
      @Coopertronics 11 місяців тому +1

      @@kreuner11 I just saw the replies. It was just a tongue and cheek joke. I've been using Linux for 19 years. I would never use anything else.
      Linux can be stable and appear to have very little change, but actually moves forward very quickly.
      There's not really any standard. Everyone does their own thing and then we mash it all together into something that works better than an OS that had a design plan.
      Linux is like magic in the way it's developed and is a true testament to what humanity can achieve through collective efforts, even if Joe has no idea what Sam is doing. It all works when Jim puts Joe and Sam's work together into his new Arch spin.
      Neither Joe or Sam have a single clue that Jim's Arch spin is even a thing.

  • @AnalyticMinded
    @AnalyticMinded 11 місяців тому +56

    It's a weird mentality to want Linux to go mainstream but at the same time want Linux frozen in the past. I started noticing this a good while back, but became more apparent once I switched to Wayland (Sway). That Wayland does not work is a meme, but it has a hold on people who just don't like any kind of change. I've also found odd the obsession with ricing and distro-hopping (outside of newbs): Linux is supposed to be a means to an end; a tool to get work done.

    • @AggressiveHayBale
      @AggressiveHayBale 11 місяців тому +11

      No Wayland still has a lot of problems, especially in wsr realm, Nvidia support is wonky, gaming is a much worse experience than on X11 and I experience quite a lot of bugs in Sway. Wayland is the future but let it simmer for a year or so.

    • @AnalyticMinded
      @AnalyticMinded 11 місяців тому +7

      @@AggressiveHayBale Lots of people have already adopted Wayland and have experienced little to no problems with it. No piece of software is free of bugs. So if you've had a bad experience, that sucks, but it is not reflective of how Wayland works for most of its users.

    • @Ralnir
      @Ralnir 11 місяців тому +1

      Wayland is the future, but it sure isn't ready yet. I think the biggest cause of pushback is that X11 is a framework whereas Wayland is a protocol. So if you step beyond the Three that have the most work put into them, things get messy very quickly, whereas even the most basic X11 DE or WM is at least somewhat functional. Just use KDE/Gnome/Sway, then! Now I've been forced to choose something I don't want to use. For example, I got really into using Hikari, I loved the flow of it -- but it was a massive, outdated pile. Couldn't drag files between different applications even with XDG portals, poor performance, the list goes on.
      So when you claim that "Wayland does not work" is a meme while you fall back on "well it works on MY machine," it comes off as duplicitous.

    • @AggressiveHayBale
      @AggressiveHayBale 11 місяців тому

      @AnalyticMinded ....Wayland on Nvidia is only supported on Gnome(and it still is sometimes messy), LOTS of people as even seen in this comment section experienced bugs. So yeah I am the only luddite and nobody else has any problems with it

    • @ubemvuossas665
      @ubemvuossas665 11 місяців тому +5

      To imply that any other operative system isn't frozen in time is wild when windows 11 is literally just a rice for windows 10 + the amount of windows 7 remnants is insane and macos has done nothing new on their os for a millenia other than changing architecture and creating a translation layer. Suddenly wayland is the biggest issue on why linux isn't mainstream, this has to be bait.

  • @holaasd9259
    @holaasd9259 11 місяців тому +16

    The game experience in linux with proton is great I would say.

  • @m4rt_
    @m4rt_ 6 місяців тому +11

    Here are some notes I have written while watching the video.
    1:40
    You have the choice to not use Wayland. And you have the choice of using other DEs or WMs than the ones you mentioned.
    Also, the amount of choice you have over what DE or WM you want to use compared to Windows for example is insane.
    Going for a compositor that is more secure is a choice in itself, and assuming that it's the only option is what is making you think you have very few choices.
    Technically you could do everything from the TTY if you want, and that would be more secure if set up correctly.
    Also, the reason there is less choices for DEs or WMs that support Wayland is that Wayland is relatively young compared to X11, so in a few more years there will be even more choices. Maybe you can even make your own.
    2:50
    Some people have different use cases compared to you. For example some people want their DE/WM to look exactly how they want, while others want more of a nice out of the box thing. Some people want to control everything with their keyboard, some want to control everything with the mouse, and some want a mix of the two.
    Just because you see no use in using a different one doesn't mean it's like that for everyone.
    7:10
    I know from personal experience that updating your system to a new version on point release distros can be a pain at times, and can completely break your system.
    It's one of the reasons I switched from a point release distro to a rolling release distro earlier this year, I didn't want to deal with it anymore.
    Funnily enough, I haven't experienced any of these things on Arch. I have to fix some of my mistakes here and there, but those are mistakes caused by me, rather than the system updating to a new version.
    8:04
    There is plenty of ways to use proprietary software. A lot of it supports Linux. The problem is that large things like the adobe software are difficult to work with, and that is a problem, but there are ways around it. For example by running it in a virtual machine. And the thing is, there is plenty of other proprietary software, or even open source software that works on Linux, and in some cases is even better than the stuff that doesn't work on Linux. And if you refuse to accept this, there are still choices and solutions to proprietary stuff not working, you just have to invest some time into getting it to work.
    Over all, you still have a lot of choices on Linux, it's just that you are refusing to accept that the choices you don't like or don't know about as choices that exist.
    This video, and your arguments are a joke.

  • @leo-oh1bc
    @leo-oh1bc 11 місяців тому +9

    I think that saying that open source software makes you lose freedom as proprietary software does is misleading. The term freedom has a precise definition, there are 4 things you should be able to do with a piece of software for it to be called FOSS (I'm referring to the free software foundation's definition), it is a matter of liberty, a philosophical (and political) stance.
    The fact that you are loosing the possibility to use adobe software or other proprietary software that does not run well (or does not run at all) on linux may be a problem if you use that software to work but it isn't a loose of freedom, it is a choice. Every choice you make is limiting in a way or another by definition but not every choice leads to the same freedom.
    ps. English is not my primary language, sorry if something is weird or wrong, I hope that what I mean is comprehensible anyway.

  • @karolus0xA
    @karolus0xA 11 місяців тому +5

    I think that the author of this video have a somehow flawed view on Wayland and discarding software that is not up to date with the new trends. Even if Wayland will replace X11 in near future it doesn't mean that X11 can be just chucked away while Wayland is getting off the ground.
    I had seen similar woes with KDE 4 and then Gnome 3 that essentially ditched most of the old code and started fresh, which was very unpopular move among users as those new environments lacked most of the features and stability you could take for granted in older versions.
    As author mentioned, some folks want to use their machines rather than experiment with "new & improved" builds before they are at least on par with the old or at least don't break legacy software if the replacement is simply not there yet.
    Thanks to those environments being free and open software it was possible to simply fork the Gnome 2 as MATE and keep it alive for many years(or swapping to other environments like XFCE to wait out the storm) while new Gnome re-write was maturing to become the Gnome we know today.
    That wouldn't be remotely possible with proprietary software as once project becomes defunct or Dev's decide to make radical changes nobody wants then anybody else can just pound sand and not much else.
    Sometimes reaching out for newest software and packages is a better or only choice you can make if you want things to work the way you want, thought it's not always better or true so it's worth being aware of that.

  • @stephenanthony5923
    @stephenanthony5923 11 місяців тому +6

    In the end, all possible choices merely quintess into a singularity of Linux choice: Linux From Scratch

  • @MichaelWilliams-lr4mb
    @MichaelWilliams-lr4mb 11 місяців тому +8

    I agree there are people who worship ricing in the Linux community. With that being said, Wayland has a great option for ricing in Hyprland, which is what I use. But yes, it does receive a lot of updates. It's changing fast. But I feel like it's gotten better over time.

    • @Trafotin
      @Trafotin  11 місяців тому +1

      The Fedora maintainer buckled under the updates... 😧

    • @MichaelWilliams-lr4mb
      @MichaelWilliams-lr4mb 11 місяців тому

      @@Trafotin Ah, that's no good.
      I know I've had no issues in OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with it.
      I'm also learning NixOS a bit more. When switching to the NixOS unstable channel, I did have some problems with Hyprland, so I switched back to the stable channel.

  • @ordinaryhuman5645
    @ordinaryhuman5645 11 місяців тому +29

    So when you have hundreds of options to choose from and you set criteria to help you choose, you end up with fewer choices? Shocking!

    • @softwarelivre2389
      @softwarelivre2389 11 місяців тому +3

      Accurate. This guy's argument makes no sense

    • @sousuzumi
      @sousuzumi 11 місяців тому +7

      @@softwarelivre2389 nah, he's right.
      Chris Titus made a similar argument in a video a few weeks ago, but he was talking specifically about distros: there are hundreds of distros around, but 99% of them are pointless, and most of them are just "spins" of another distro with some specific presets, and they bring nothing new to the table, so you can easily replace all those "hundreds of choices" for half a dozen "base distros" that are the ones that are really worth it.
      And honestly, the same can be said for most free software and system parts.

  • @frederikholfeld868
    @frederikholfeld868 11 місяців тому +3

    This video kinda feels all over the place. The point about Wayland is more about software development taking time and effort, not that there isn't any choice. And how is having a choice of a few alternatives worse than having no choice on other operating systems?
    And of course you'll see your choices heavily reduced the more specific your requirements are, but that's your requirements and preferences, don't assume that the choice is as narrow for other people.
    And critizising people for being fanboys of their distros or DEs or whatever also seems kinda strange, to me it seems awesome that they found the thing that works best for them. Of course being inflexible if that's no longer the case is bad, but what are you gonna do about people being emotionally attached to stuff? XD
    They'll need to recognize and overcome that attachement themselves eventually.
    I assume I'm not really disagreeing with the overall statements of the video too much, but I guess I take issue with how some of the critique is being formulated. Or maybe I'd like to hear some proposal how to improve the situation if the choices are as limited as you say.

  • @user-dc9zo7ek5j
    @user-dc9zo7ek5j 11 місяців тому +10

    "Linux actually has less choice", less than what exactly? Comparing it to other OSes, it has tenfold more programs which you can use, and of course because of the whole nature of modularity in those small programs, you can swap them or even write your own, compared to other OSes which seem to have glued their desktop to their whole OS and the programs which actually have more power of the desktop than the user has. Of course, if you limit yourself to software in beta, like wayland, you will be a tester, because wayland is not ready yet, and you cannot expect much choice on such software, imagine expecting all windows 10 programs to be windows 11 compatible within the first year of release. I agree however with your point, while there is a lot of choice in the most basic programs, but as we get into more specialized territory, like code editors, IDEs, music production, video editing programs we start to see that there is no polished solution, but this is simply because projects are driven by people who are 2000km away form each other, have never met, nor know their names, and that's where corporate solutions shine. You have to always make compromise on linux, because it is not the most used OS, and some developers even do not know it exists.

    • @voltflake
      @voltflake 11 місяців тому +1

      Less than the amount of choice people tell it has. Big part of linux software is crap compared to other mainstream platforms and generally user experience could be much better than it is now

    • @flamestoyershadowkill6400
      @flamestoyershadowkill6400 11 місяців тому

      except for vr

  • @huljaxful
    @huljaxful 11 місяців тому +3

    I switched from Fedora 38 to Debian 12 with gnome, wayland and basically flatpaks.

  • @nk-randomcommenter3881
    @nk-randomcommenter3881 11 місяців тому +2

    Well, my post on Mastodon criticizing lack of accessibility features on Linux, than you can guess many people cannot on that post telling me to donate more. I said as a student I didn't have much money to donate and what I could do best is filing bug reports, translation, feature requests,... some people sympathized with me on that, but some just give their angry comments there. And personally I think even with lots of donation, it still depends if the project can use that funding properly, and different people has different priority in their lives, you cannot force them to follow your philosophies or beliefs at the expense of their life quality or salaries (many people cannot change their workflows easily).

  • @phillipanselmo8540
    @phillipanselmo8540 11 місяців тому +26

    "I artificially limit what kinds of distros I allow myself to use therefore the choice pool is limited" 🤡🤡🤡

  • @walter_lesaulnier
    @walter_lesaulnier 6 місяців тому

    I've had Fedora with Plasma on my daily driver PC for about 9 months now and love it- not a single issue that ?I had to fix manually. There was a small bug in one of the apps after an update and within a day and a half Fedora put out an updated package that fixed it.

  • @Xenotypal
    @Xenotypal 11 місяців тому +9

    wayland is still buggy on my hardware, which is fairly mainstream (3090 and 7950x). I understand it's nvidia but still. I have an AMD card but it's less powerful and I don't want to keep switching. Hate when people go out and act like Wayland is now perfectly acceptable for all users when the fact of the matter is that it isn't yet.

    • @helgi2925
      @helgi2925 11 місяців тому +1

      agree. I would like to switch to wayland, but I have 3060 on my daily driver laptop and im using X11 on it. And 1070 on my old gaming big tower, where i run gnome and hyprland with wayland. I wouldn't say it's broken, but I wouldn't call it a comfortable experience for the user. There are problems here and there, which after months of trying to switch completely to wayland convinced me that I still can't give up x11 for stable performance.

    • @Ghfvhvfg
      @Ghfvhvfg 11 місяців тому

      On Fedora Asahi it’s a stable dream kde is a bit buggy sometimes, this is just kde and I love it(gnome is les buggy but it doesn’t mater).…….

    • @helgi2925
      @helgi2925 11 місяців тому

      @@dreaper5813 I have Tuxedo laptop with a liitle Tux on the super button. It was made for Linux and it has junk like nvidia, becouse there are no laptops with amd graphics.

    • @helgi2925
      @helgi2925 11 місяців тому

      @@dreaper5813 Well first of all System 76 doesn't offer laptops with amd graphics either. I've never heard of Framework, but I highly doubt they have anything other than nvidia either. Tuxedo is as good as the others.

    • @helgi2925
      @helgi2925 11 місяців тому

      @@dreaper5813 If we're talking about laptops, nvidia is the only option if you don't want integrated graphics.
      My big tower was built back in the days when I was using windows. Now I will be putting together new hardware in this tower and I will be putting amd in there. But still. If wayland doesn't work well with nvidia, it's not the user's problem. It doesn't matter who exactly is to blame, but for the end user, wayland is not good enough.

  • @AggressiveHayBale
    @AggressiveHayBale 11 місяців тому +11

    I dont want to be a debbie downer but what was the idea behind this video? Its really random and the main gist is that if you set some arbitrary criteria you end up with stuff that you are using? ...Well okey.

  • @ZaneyOG
    @ZaneyOG 11 місяців тому +1

    The clip with us surprised me! Great video and as someone who doesn’t worship, but does love the hell out of his window manager… you made some really good points 😅
    P.S Hyprland is kinda incredible

  • @FlameForgedSoul
    @FlameForgedSoul 8 місяців тому +1

    7:55 and onward: *preach* We have no issue with proprietary software, just the lack of competition (in the creative spaces specifically) and the asinine trends they all glom on to after some "brave trailblazer" takes the first step (subscriptions, We are talking about subscriptions). We have long abandoned the dream of Adobe on Linux, but if We could get even the Affinity suite (which will also never happen), Windows would be something We'd have installed on an adorable little SFF build that We boot up to play Warframe.

  • @watcherworld5873
    @watcherworld5873 10 днів тому

    I listened to 2 of your videos so far. I have to say that in my opinion, you are the best of all the Linux UA-camrs I have experienced. If I were to spend 2 years thinking about Linux I would come to some of the same conclusions as you. But, since you have already done the work for me, I do not have to do it myself.

  • @shrivelling6877
    @shrivelling6877 11 місяців тому

    Great video, I would argue that fedora isn't a rolling but merely just like any other stable release with having their updates months apart.

  • @locatemarbles
    @locatemarbles 11 місяців тому +1

    Happy camper here, on Debian without wayland, without flatpaks and snaps and with an excellent xorg window manager. Yes, depending on how you use your computer you will be restricted in one way or another. Indeed some are lucky in that they can enjoy the freedom, others will be forced to become RedHat's beta-testers.

  • @jeyart94
    @jeyart94 11 місяців тому +2

    Also, debian sid is also cutting edge. Not famous for it. But also unstable.

  • @ymaysernameuay1113
    @ymaysernameuay1113 8 місяців тому

    Can you make a vid on NixOs and your thoughts on it? seems interesting.

  • @TheAces1979
    @TheAces1979 11 місяців тому +1

    Great take. Somebody has got to say the emperor has no clothes. So much of the debate over distros is based on religion instead of fact. Well done!

  • @RandomGeometryDashStuff
    @RandomGeometryDashStuff 11 місяців тому

    10:32 doesn't macos only work on apple computers?

  • @ransan
    @ransan 11 місяців тому

    2:59 link to this stream?

    • @Trafotin
      @Trafotin  11 місяців тому +1

      Sauce: ua-cam.com/users/liveT66VCgIp4zo?feature=share&t=83

  • @omiorahman6283
    @omiorahman6283 11 місяців тому

    Have you checked if Godot Linux games run on wayland .
    It seems xorg is still used .

  • @nomisunrider7851
    @nomisunrider7851 2 місяці тому

    This video illustrates my life experience as geek. Well done.

  • @Wurstbrot03
    @Wurstbrot03 10 місяців тому +1

    So true what you said about Propietary Software. I seriously hope that with the rise of Flatpak, we will see something like Affinity for Linux someday. Most people aren't complete religious zealots in their believes but there's always the very loud minority that foams.

  • @peterschmidt9942
    @peterschmidt9942 11 місяців тому

    While Wayland might be the future, ATM it's still not up to par with X11 unfortunately. Forget that scaling down on it still creates blurry viewing, so you can't use that. At 100% they're both on par. But try scrolling with your mouse on Wayland and it's jerky. I'll stick with X11 for now.

  • @sebastiangonzales46
    @sebastiangonzales46 11 місяців тому +1

    I agree, i only use linux for studying environment since windows is very distracting for me

  • @thiagotofano
    @thiagotofano 11 місяців тому

    While I agree with almost every point of the reasons, I digress the conclusion. You are correct in every single point of the criticism here, but that doesn't mean Linux won't give you choice because of them. You CAN pick and choose, and tailor your desktop the way you want. Want a gaming system? Sure, if you know what you are doing, your Linux box can even outperform Windows in some games. Are you a digital designer who need image and video editing? Absolutely, just make sure to apply all the tweaks you need to have the smoothest ride with your box. Yes, everything require knowledge, and absolutely yes, your PC is just a tool and it is not supposed to do your job for you (an artist can paint the Mona Lisa using MS Paint, for instance, so saying "GIMP is just better" is a matter of.... choice!). But if you look closely, it doesn't matter if you use Linux or Windows or Mac or TempleOS, you will need tweaks for YOUR specific scenario and those tweaks require knowledge. Also, the more you tweak your system in one direction, the sharper it will be for specific tasks, but to the cost of becoming more dull for other tasks. You don't use a hammer to break a 10ton rock, you want dynamite for this. But you won't use a dynamite to nail your family picture to the wall: now you want a hammer!
    Now, in comparison to other OSes (I'm looking at you, Mac), Linux gives the user a lot more control over the system, the hardware and the software. You DO have more options, and you can even dual or triple boot if you'd like. This specific tool you need works better on that other distro? Use distrobox and paravirtualize that package alone. Done. Or dual boot, whatever. It is... YOUR CHOICE.
    The thing is: choice is DIFFERENT of freedom, and that is what I disagree here. You have options, you can choose. But once you decide for one, you can't have the other/s. And this is not even about Linux only: this is life, my friend. Pick your poison, it is up to you. But even not deciding is a decision of its own, so you have NO FREEDOM. You ARE BOUND TO CHOOSE, and there is no escape, you always have to decide. So, if you say "freedom is an illusion", we agree, because it is ultimately just that, a mirage. But choice is not. You always have options. ALWAYS, even if you cannot see them alone. If so, just seek another pair of eyes to help you out, boom. Done again. And yes, I am not even talking about Linux only anymore. Welcome to adulthood: it is a dark, cold, bitchy world here, full of deceiving shadows, and it will hurt you really bad if you are not careful. But you can keep the toys and tools that you like... It is all about choice, after all.

  • @RenderingUser
    @RenderingUser 10 місяців тому +1

    8:06
    da faq??
    pretty damn sure i have some proprietary software installed

  • @Ghfvhvfg
    @Ghfvhvfg 11 місяців тому

    I would try sway but I think that it’s stupid that so many window managers are basically the same why don’t we all rice one wm base on Wayland…….

  • @capability-snob
    @capability-snob 5 місяців тому

    Every time I choose better software, some dependency decides to irreversibly break it. It's possible to make one choice against the grain, but make two without expecting those things are going to work together.

  • @williamevans6830
    @williamevans6830 4 місяці тому

    um I mean you do know you can download the kernel and try your luck by compiling whatever system you want. Essentially if you are new to Linux then yes choices are very similar. We have essentually Arch based Debian based or Redhat based.

  • @RandomGeometryDashStuff
    @RandomGeometryDashStuff 11 місяців тому

    05:52 debian sid?

  • @Gskvj
    @Gskvj 11 місяців тому

    Film industry donates sizeably to the kernel

  • @ctrl-del630
    @ctrl-del630 9 місяців тому

    When I started to watch your video, I thought, what are you on? I want it too 🙂
    But as a multi-year user of linux I can agree with much of what you say.
    Many of the things you mention is the reason why Linuix has not out-grown Microsoft and Apple. But the potential is there.
    With that said..... For me my computer needs to be a reliable tool so I have settled on Xubuntu-minimal for many years now. I have new hardware but still I install Xubuntu.
    It has never let me down (in a big way).
    At work I am forced to use Microsoft Windows. I don't know which one and I don't care. It is a complete disaster. It is not the first time I lose files or that ia task takes so much more time to perform on a windows machine than on my Linux machine.
    Every now and then I do try different distributions but I can't help but coming back to Xubuntu-minimal.

  • @peppefailla1630
    @peppefailla1630 11 місяців тому

    I challenge everybody to stream with anydesk on wayland

  • @steinbauge4591
    @steinbauge4591 11 місяців тому

    aren't these 3 choices present in almost all distros? Just get rid of X, never mind the thousands of applications that depend on it. The UNIX past is great :) But sure, I'm about to try Wayland.

  • @essix322
    @essix322 8 місяців тому

    Well yes if you live in Linux space . Try BSD ...

  • @therealsunnyk
    @therealsunnyk 11 місяців тому

    Blackmagic is an Australian company.

  • @philip6578
    @philip6578 5 місяців тому +1

    I use Manjaro and have not looked back since.
    Windows is getting more and more locked up and you should pay more and more to Microsoft's existence.
    Linux is about freedom as the first factor.
    If you think choice is a joke on Linux, think again, because if you use Ios or Windows, you never ever going be free and be able to make a choice, because Apple and Microsoft do that for you.

  • @DMSBrian24
    @DMSBrian24 11 місяців тому

    The entire video is about you exercising your ability to choose exactly what suits your needs, just saying

  • @conjurermast
    @conjurermast 10 місяців тому

    Wayland is not ready, by the time it is, if it'll ever be, I'm sure there will be far more numerous options. Also It's not like rollbacks are hard without immutability either, what a misinformed video.
    But yes Gimp is a bit shit, I agree with that much.

  • @Skyman12808
    @Skyman12808 11 місяців тому

    But mr matt your always wine about Arch being better Even though it breaks up way too many times

  • @johanb.7869
    @johanb.7869 11 місяців тому

    Not to nit pick, but Linux is not a desktop OS, it's a kernel😉

  • @mohamad20zx34
    @mohamad20zx34 11 місяців тому +1

    i actually agree with you for once about the illusion of choice for Linux distros but you know most people won't Switch from fedora or Unbuntu anytime soon

  • @hamobu
    @hamobu 11 місяців тому +1

    Computer is not just a tool. It's basically your life now. Everything from your work, communications, personal memories and entertainment is going through your computer. Proprietary software will lead you to indentured servitude. My windows machine at work keep recommending Bing to me and I see no way to turn that off. That's a professional version of windows, and home version is probably much worse. These countless little ways my own computer tries to entrap me annoy me to no end. I should not have to deal with that, nobody should.
    This is why I use Linux even though it really sucks and it's inconvenient. I would rather use something that's unintentionally bad then something that's engineered to squeeze the value out of me for some corporation.

  • @davidturcotte831
    @davidturcotte831 11 місяців тому +4

    Uh oh. I can feel the hate mail being sent to you. It's like a million people screaming at once, but it's really just like 20 guys sending the million emails.

  • @NoFalse_id0Ls
    @NoFalse_id0Ls 11 місяців тому +1

    You CAN technically play any game and use all that proprietary software/programs you desire under Linux. The only caveat is having hardware to virtualize windows under linux (GPU pass through). Saying that you can't is FALSE ,but as you said "It's all about what works for you"

    • @ninetysixvoid
      @ninetysixvoid 11 місяців тому +1

      some games ban the use of virtualization because "iT's cHeAtInG"

    • @Trafotin
      @Trafotin  11 місяців тому

      Most people won't pay thousands of dollars for a computer. Some people can't even handle paying 2K for a good one. It's the same problem of security keys: sure they are 10x more secure than TOTP or SMS, but they cost $50 ($100 for 2 keys so you have a backup). The cost barrier will get people, so is it really an answer?

    • @NoFalse_id0Ls
      @NoFalse_id0Ls 11 місяців тому

      @@ninetysixvoid This is true. Most online games have some sort of anti cheat to detect virtualization/sus software. There are techniques to hide virtualization that can be added to your XML settings to obfuscate this issue.

    • @NoFalse_id0Ls
      @NoFalse_id0Ls 11 місяців тому

      @@Trafotin I agree. Most people don't have the money or want to spend over 2k to have a decent computer. Its all about what works for you ,either financial or security wise, etc. Most people ,also don't give a flying fart what OS there computer runs and could care less about security. There are free,trusted,exceptional programs/apps that give you security without having to pay out the doughnut or pay at all. Personally ,security keys are useless without some sort of trusted platform and obfuscation.

  • @NuryPPanaligan
    @NuryPPanaligan 11 місяців тому +2

    I do think that people should stop worshiping things/tools.

  • @see-sharp
    @see-sharp 11 місяців тому +3

    Nice clickbait, bro
    Next time just search for "Arch boot process"
    And btw, using x based ones is still a CHOICE, you won't have that on non-free operating systems

  • @CompuB1t
    @CompuB1t 11 місяців тому +3

    A lot of famous propietary software are better than FOSS and are not compatible with Linux, only for Windows or macOS or both:
    - Microsoft Office Suite
    - Adobe Creative Suite
    - Affinity suite
    - Apple software (iTunes, Safari, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, iMovie, GarageBand, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Xcode)
    - Autodesk software (AutoCAD, Inventor Professional, Revit MEP, 3ds Max, Maya, Alias AutoStudio, Moldflow, Robot Structural Analysis Professional, Navisworks)
    - Avid Technology (Pro Tools, Media Composer)
    - Corel Corporation (CorelDRAW, PaintShop Pro)
    - Dassault Systèmes (SolidWorks)
    - Games:
    - Blizzard (World of Warcraft, Diablo series)
    - Epic Games (Fortnite, Unreal Engine)
    - Electronic Arts Sports (Madden NFL, FIFA series)
    - RIOT (LOL, VALORANT, etc)
    Basically if you need one of these propietary apps for your daily drive on Linux and does not work:
    1) via WINE o WINE prefixes apps
    2) via container (Docker)
    3) via Virtual Machine
    Then you need to use Windows or macOS and better in a separate computer or disk, dual boot can cause problems.
    macOS is more oriented for artists and designers while Windows is more for gamers and you can use almost every app.

    • @Trafotin
      @Trafotin  11 місяців тому +1

      Corel was never very good IMO and people who use Apple typically just got locked in.

    • @Eimantasks
      @Eimantasks 11 місяців тому +1

      If those programs wouldn't be available as pirated software, it wouldn't be much of a difference which system you use, let's be honest here, not many people pay, they just use pirated while they can... In my case, piracy laws are strict here, and I can't afford most of those so they don't matter to me much..

    • @CompuB1t
      @CompuB1t 11 місяців тому

      I also forget Microsoft Visual Studio and DbMS SQL Server with SSMS

  • @voltflake
    @voltflake 11 місяців тому +2

    Amount of angry comments here is stunning...

    • @nk-randomcommenter3881
      @nk-randomcommenter3881 11 місяців тому

      Well, my post on Mastodon criticizing lack of accessibility features on Linux, than you can guess many people cannot on that post telling me to donate more. I said as a student I didn't have much money to donate and what I could do best is filing bug reports, translation, feature requests,... some people sympathized with me on that, but some just give their angry comments there. And personally I think even with lots of donation, it still depends if the project can use that funding properly, and different people has different priority in their lives, you cannot force them to follow your philosophies or beliefs at the expense of their life quality or salaries (many people cannot change their workflows easily).

  • @mananabanana
    @mananabanana 11 місяців тому +2

    Mate you can't make so much sense on the internet. People are gonna crucify you! :D

  • @RakibHasan-hs1me
    @RakibHasan-hs1me 2 місяці тому

    I am not gonna see the whole video, I kinda agree with you.

  • @godisgood5089
    @godisgood5089 11 місяців тому +2

    I want people to stop whining about Wayland and just join the 21st century.

  • @dakata2416
    @dakata2416 11 місяців тому +2

    Based and red pilled

  • @celdepescaun39
    @celdepescaun39 11 місяців тому

    Sooner or later Linux will fowllow RHEL ... on this world nothing is for free ....

  • @c3cxla
    @c3cxla 11 місяців тому

    There's Debian testing though.