I hope they will bring a full frame camera and some really good lens, small and crystal clear. I am thinking for this as a street photo camera… hope is the focus 😊
You simply have to love sigma for constantly putting out concept products into the market: both the quattro and the fp series were amazingly creative. I ended up with nikon for practicality reasons, but these weird bois have a special place in my heart
I’ve had an sd Quattro for 4 years. I’ll keep it until it craps out, and then try to find another one. I love the clunky old thing, purely because it makes me work for the shot, and when it works too, the results are just magic.
Happily shooting ISO640 and 800 on these. Chromatic noise can be alleviated via detailed post options in Sigma's software. 'ISO100 only' is a common misconception with this line of Foveon sensors.
These are pretty awesome. I have one of the original DP2's, and also had a DP2 Quattro come across my work desk about a week ago. I think the best way to think about them is as if they're medium format. Similarly slow, but also produces quite the unique image, just as a medium format camera would!
I have the dp0 Quattro and learned to treat it as a specialty camera. I mostly use it for landscapes and it just absolutely shines. It’s my digital XPan / digital 6:7 medium format camera for a fraction of the cost. A killer camera but not an “everyday carry” camera. I wouldn’t mind if they release a new APSC version. I don’t need it to be full frame. I just want a Foveon body that can take L mount lenses.
I have an SD Quattro. It has the same limitations as the DP3 Quattro but I can swap out lenses. Using fast high quality lenses is an absolute must. It's a challenge to shoot with but when it hits, it hits.
Fast lenses = shallow depth of field = waste of a Foveon sensor that allows to show insane amounts of detail IF you have details in depth of field. I recommend shooting all Foveon cameras on a tripod, set them to ISO 100, cable release with long exposure times and closing down to maximize for depth of field.
I've had three of them, the various focal lengths. They can't handle much contrast, but where I live we have very flat lighting, so it worked out okay. But, yeah, I agree with you on all points, slow, sharp, interesting color, but so hard to work with I got tired of it. Also, tiny batteries that go flat quickly.
I got an SD Quattro H last summer, it's such an incredible camera. Very specialized, not versatile for one bit. But when it hits, oh boy does it hit.# (If you're curious, it's basically an APS-H version of the same sensor inside your DP3, but with an SA mount in front of it (yes, the removable hot filter is still there. This is the best camera for IR photography as you can put the filter back in in seconds and it's a mirrorless camera so you see through the EVF what you're shooting with a full spectrum + IR filter setup !)
I have a friend who is obsessed with the sigma dp line of cameras. They all had the same issues mentioned in the shorts. Frankly, I think the image quality alone is not enough to make up for all the other issues. Also the battery performance of these cameras ate horrible. I guess this is fine if you really love that specific sensor. But dont expect anything more than shooting landscapes or anything that is still. I heard some use this to do product shoot as well.
The reason why the ISO is so low is due to the unique sensor structure. It has no Bayer filter. Instead the R, G and B sites are stacked vertically, very much like film. The problem though is that the bottom layer now actually receives very little light.
The cause of noise is NOT a lack of light, but electronic noise. Imagine a perfect sensor. Dark areas will be perfectly dark, because of course they are. Why noisr then? ERRORS in the analog first stages. (yes there are some smaller sources of noise) If you added a lot of shielding (lead plates), and used gold wires to move processing outside of the sensor area, ie if you made it look like a mad scientist project like a quantum computer, you could get extremely clean darks ie good high iso performance.
I just checked prices and compared them with the ones from a few weeks (because of another video about it) and they sky rocketed like I've never seen before.
Imagine it like a film camera with 100 speed film and then compared to that you don’t have to buy, process, and scan the film, it just gives you the file!
Is it something that’s intended to be more for studio photography/highly controlled environments? I know a lot of the large format cameras that do 100+ megapixel photos are often used for studio stuff because of their slow processing speeds and other limitations. This sounds similar even though it’s a lot more compact and looks like something mean to be a lot more “run and gun” than trapped in a studio. Hopefully that make improvements for future models, that’s a really cool camera
As user from EOS 5D I'm perfectly accostumed to take my time with slow processors... So it looks delightful. (it's shape resembles to a 6x9cm mamiya film charger)
Ergonomically sound as a horse, I remember you could.also get odd colour shifts with them it's like they work amazing in this perimeter if everything is perfect. Though would be cool if they made an L mount version
You would've lost that bet 😜 I always wanted a DP0, but the prices were almost always outrageous, and when it was cheap (a brief window many years ago) I didn't have the funds ☹️
I'm a big fan of the Sigma FP and have wanted to check out the Quattros mainly out of pure curiosity. But I'm kind of wary now if you are saying that they can't take reliably good photos when ISO is over 100, which is kind of ridiculous... Anyone else think otherwise?
Not a big fan of fixed prime lenses cameras. The DP series is nice, and the sensor are awesome, but I would rather put my money in the SD Quattro cameras. Had a SDQ-H for a little while, and it's a litteral beast. too bad they are quite pricey and rare now
The SDQ is a beast until you want to shoot red/orange/yellow, or unless you want a pocket cam for the day. This is why I've kept the DP3Q and DP3M. The SDQ is definitely the best designed camera I've ever used though, what a tank!
@@jordylaforge3522 Honestly, the SDQ, or any Foveon cameras in general, CAN'T be used as primary cameras for (almost) anybody. They are cumbersome, generally require a tripod to shoot, have limited dynamic range even compared to 15 year old APS-C DSLRs. BUT. As a side camera to use when you want to slow down, have absolutely gorgeous colors and pretty much unmatched image quality until you reach medium format (albeit with a sharp lens) : those cameras are unbeatable. The best second camera you can wish for imho. Your second system should give you something different otherwise it's just more of the same. (also, the SDQ can remove the hot filter just like the SD1/SD14/SD15 except it's a mirroless, not a DSLR ! do for IR photography it's the best camera out there as you don't have to permanently alter the sensor to do a full spectrum conversion !)
I loved that camera and the older one.... they should release that same camera with new technology and new write speeds. Those write speeds were so bad because of how big the files were.
I see the Zeiss every now and then used. Still like $4k though, and this channel doesn't have that kind of budget yet 😂 that $3k Pixii used that all up for this year.
patiently awaiting their full frame foveon sensor
I am watching that news like a hawk. I love that they are keeping it alive.
They said they aren't giving up and neither am I 😤
I hope they will bring a full frame camera and some really good lens, small and crystal clear. I am thinking for this as a street photo camera… hope is the focus 😊
Yep , X 3
Foveon
I can hear the resale prices climbing 😢
They're already too high.
I do wish they were lower. There's not a lot of them out there, and they are good, so the price jumps.
I have two of these. The 2 and 3. Color is out of this world
@@Chris-ey7zywhat are the differences between the two?
Yeah, because everybody wants a camera that's lousy over 100 iso
Foveon was such a great idea, so filmic to layer the color filters. Lovely images! I hope the technology comes back some time
Hope they can perfect it, images from cmos sensors need so much work in editing to look good, would be great to get great colors by default
You simply have to love sigma for constantly putting out concept products into the market: both the quattro and the fp series were amazingly creative. I ended up with nikon for practicality reasons, but these weird bois have a special place in my heart
You can’t use it cus u no sigma
@@crazybut_trueSIGMA IS A GREEK LETTER GODDAMMIT
I’ve had an sd Quattro for 4 years. I’ll keep it until it craps out, and then try to find another one. I love the clunky old thing, purely because it makes me work for the shot, and when it works too, the results are just magic.
"the lens is high resolution"
I'm so in love with this camera's! I accept every quirk they have.
That's love!
Happily shooting ISO640 and 800 on these. Chromatic noise can be alleviated via detailed post options in Sigma's software. 'ISO100 only' is a common misconception with this line of Foveon sensors.
Am I missing something? ISO 640 is fucking dreadful
Almost nobody agrees with high iso use on these "cameras". I prefer "imaging tool" to "camera" for these. Maybe "landacape camera".
Erm what the sigma
damnit you beat me to it
LMAOOOOOO A MINUTE AGOOOO
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These are pretty awesome. I have one of the original DP2's, and also had a DP2 Quattro come across my work desk about a week ago. I think the best way to think about them is as if they're medium format. Similarly slow, but also produces quite the unique image, just as a medium format camera would!
I have the dp0 Quattro and learned to treat it as a specialty camera. I mostly use it for landscapes and it just absolutely shines. It’s my digital XPan / digital 6:7 medium format camera for a fraction of the cost. A killer camera but not an “everyday carry” camera. I wouldn’t mind if they release a new APSC version. I don’t need it to be full frame. I just want a Foveon body that can take L mount lenses.
I have an SD Quattro. It has the same limitations as the DP3 Quattro but I can swap out lenses. Using fast high quality lenses is an absolute must. It's a challenge to shoot with but when it hits, it hits.
Fast lenses = shallow depth of field = waste of a Foveon sensor that allows to show insane amounts of detail IF you have details in depth of field. I recommend shooting all Foveon cameras on a tripod, set them to ISO 100, cable release with long exposure times and closing down to maximize for depth of field.
Sigma fp 🔥🔥🔥 shoting video better then any sony and bmpcc in a budget
Got the dp1 from Japan, super nice to have in Central Texas when it's sunny 90% of the year for keeping it at ISO 100.
Let's try to call sigma "cameras" not cameras but "imaging tools".
Got recently the dp2q and although the iso 100 sometimes is anoying, the image quality and fun to use always win. ❤
Iso 400 used to be considered high-speed lol
Indeed!
I've had three of them, the various focal lengths. They can't handle much contrast, but where I live we have very flat lighting, so it worked out okay. But, yeah, I agree with you on all points, slow, sharp, interesting color, but so hard to work with I got tired of it. Also, tiny batteries that go flat quickly.
I got an SD Quattro H last summer, it's such an incredible camera. Very specialized, not versatile for one bit. But when it hits, oh boy does it hit.#
(If you're curious, it's basically an APS-H version of the same sensor inside your DP3, but with an SA mount in front of it (yes, the removable hot filter is still there. This is the best camera for IR photography as you can put the filter back in in seconds and it's a mirrorless camera so you see through the EVF what you're shooting with a full spectrum + IR filter setup !)
I first saw these recently on Pixabay when I filtered for cameras. Very interesting cameras.
As a non-pro camera, what it can offer far outweighs its shortcomings. Those colors and details are magical
I have a friend who is obsessed with the sigma dp line of cameras. They all had the same issues mentioned in the shorts.
Frankly, I think the image quality alone is not enough to make up for all the other issues. Also the battery performance of these cameras ate horrible.
I guess this is fine if you really love that specific sensor. But dont expect anything more than shooting landscapes or anything that is still. I heard some use this to do product shoot as well.
It's amazing how it still looks so futuristic even today.
i have all 3x DP Merrills, same deal with them: slow af, battery hungry and hella noisy above 100iso. great for B&W, essentially 3x monochrome sensors
Finally, a genius talking about how the signa sensor is superior on the level of details , and refer to a video recording of the photos.
The reason why the ISO is so low is due to the unique sensor structure. It has no Bayer filter. Instead the R, G and B sites are stacked vertically, very much like film. The problem though is that the bottom layer now actually receives very little light.
The cause of noise is NOT a lack of light, but electronic noise. Imagine a perfect sensor. Dark areas will be perfectly dark, because of course they are. Why noisr then? ERRORS in the analog first stages. (yes there are some smaller sources of noise)
If you added a lot of shielding (lead plates), and used gold wires to move processing outside of the sensor area, ie if you made it look like a mad scientist project like a quantum computer, you could get extremely clean darks ie good high iso performance.
I Really want to try one out, great pictures my man.
I just checked prices and compared them with the ones from a few weeks (because of another video about it) and they sky rocketed like I've never seen before.
Imagine it like a film camera with 100 speed film and then compared to that you don’t have to buy, process, and scan the film, it just gives you the file!
Most Beautiful camera I have ever seen.
Is it something that’s intended to be more for studio photography/highly controlled environments?
I know a lot of the large format cameras that do 100+ megapixel photos are often used for studio stuff because of their slow processing speeds and other limitations. This sounds similar even though it’s a lot more compact and looks like something mean to be a lot more “run and gun” than trapped in a studio. Hopefully that make improvements for future models, that’s a really cool camera
It looks pretty cool and I like that.
I'm pretty sure the compactness of the camera beats the noise and slow AF for some people. Just depends who wants what out of their camera.
Except for all the problems that other cameras don't have, I love this camera. 😉😉😉
That thing is a work of art in itself ❤
When is the sigma rizzler coming out? Might have to fanum tax tbh
Keep looks maxing my brother
@@Ohiobears_creatures man i'm really curious on how gen alpha is gonna turn out 💀
Probably this is the thinnest camera on a normal sized lens I've seen yet! 😯
As user from EOS 5D I'm perfectly accostumed to take my time with slow processors... So it looks delightful. (it's shape resembles to a 6x9cm mamiya film charger)
5d is a Ferrari compared to the sigma
Have a SD Quattro H and love it. The noise over ISO 100 is real though.
Ergonomically sound as a horse, I remember you could.also get odd colour shifts with them it's like they work amazing in this perimeter if everything is perfect.
Though would be cool if they made an L mount version
I’ve missed the foveon tech!
Looks nice, but the matrix noise is killing it.
“Oh here comes the 3x resale price”
Also doesn’t look for these camera before the 3x price hike.
I have the dp2 and love it!
Had a dp0 for a long time with fixed 14mm lens, then an sd Quattro
One of these days Sigma is going to get it right. A great body with their tack sharp lenses will be unstoppable.
I have a Sigma SD15, the fine drawing is incomparable.
You would've lost that bet 😜
I always wanted a DP0, but the prices were almost always outrageous, and when it was cheap (a brief window many years ago) I didn't have the funds ☹️
Sigma camera 💀
🤫🧏♂️
What would a beta camera be then?
I'm a big fan of the Sigma FP and have wanted to check out the Quattros mainly out of pure curiosity. But I'm kind of wary now if you are saying that they can't take reliably good photos when ISO is over 100, which is kind of ridiculous... Anyone else think otherwise?
This thing sounds like it was meant for a tripod if it is adding an unnecessary amount of noise after ISO 100
exactly correct. sigma "cameras" need to not be called cameras but "imaging tools".
erm what the sigma
Now I want one...damnit!
I love these cameras. I regret not buying the set off him from a colleague before he quit where I worked.
Not a big fan of fixed prime lenses cameras. The DP series is nice, and the sensor are awesome, but I would rather put my money in the SD Quattro cameras.
Had a SDQ-H for a little while, and it's a litteral beast. too bad they are quite pricey and rare now
The SDQ is a beast until you want to shoot red/orange/yellow, or unless you want a pocket cam for the day. This is why I've kept the DP3Q and DP3M.
The SDQ is definitely the best designed camera I've ever used though, what a tank!
@@jordylaforge3522 Honestly, the SDQ, or any Foveon cameras in general, CAN'T be used as primary cameras for (almost) anybody.
They are cumbersome, generally require a tripod to shoot, have limited dynamic range even compared to 15 year old APS-C DSLRs.
BUT.
As a side camera to use when you want to slow down, have absolutely gorgeous colors and pretty much unmatched image quality until you reach medium format (albeit with a sharp lens) : those cameras are unbeatable. The best second camera you can wish for imho. Your second system should give you something different otherwise it's just more of the same.
(also, the SDQ can remove the hot filter just like the SD1/SD14/SD15 except it's a mirroless, not a DSLR ! do for IR photography it's the best camera out there as you don't have to permanently alter the sensor to do a full spectrum conversion !)
"this is the best camera i ever used" "But everything is slow"
The colors are gorgeous, I don't even mind the slowness, but not being able to get usable pictures above 100iso is a HARD sell for me
I loved that camera and the older one.... they should release that same camera with new technology and new write speeds. Those write speeds were so bad because of how big the files were.
You underestimate my camera nerd power level. I very much remember the sigma quattro 😂
they need to update it now to make the best camera … address it’s shortcoming with new tech
Bet lost.
I own a dp2 Merrill, but the quatro is still on my list to get!
Erm... what the sigma?
Ergonomic is on high level
Sadly Im old enough to have seen alot of Old Digicams lol
I use a Sigma DP2, I'll wait until the fullsize foveon comes out.
Perfect camera❤
love the design . sounds is not a snapshoot cam
Sigma camera 😢
Great, first time I see this camera. What is its price?
Looks like it's from the 1980's with they wear and tear plus it's general shape
Yea I’ve never seen it because I always sort prices low to high and never get past page 3 😂😂😂
Everything its slow but images are amazing
What a SIGMA!
sigma moment
i wish there would be a micro four third camera with a foveon sensor....
Made for macro, pictures looks like the good phones camera
What the sigma
I done seen that there camera. It's built like a bank vault and weighs about the same!
Tried to get one a few years ago was way too expensive
still is
Yeah :(
The lens is high resolution? THE LENS? And the Sensor puts out good detail?! Bro you got it so much reversed
Sigma dropped the foveon sensor? No news now a days
I have the DP3 and DP1 at home... i really like them but really over 200 ISO the images just.... yeah Foveon sensors are dead for a reason
Oh I remember this camera!!!
An aps-c 20mp sensor made by Sigma providing "unparalleled detail". Tell me more.
@volumetric9454 Good information, thanks!
I mostly use a DP1x
I don't think I've ever even shot below ISO 100?! Good thing I like noise
Sigma camera🍷🗿
Is it good for portraits?😅
Looks really similar in ergonomics to Zeiss’ ZX1.
What happened to the camera?
I see the Zeiss every now and then used. Still like $4k though, and this channel doesn't have that kind of budget yet 😂 that $3k Pixii used that all up for this year.
Oh come on now, I watch Mattias Burling 😉
Saw it before, many times … what do i get?
Link to get that camera?
That never ever arrived here in the Philippines.
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I thought it was cool wanted to buy one then saw the price
Right after watching this, I took to Ebay and just bought a DP3. Is the DP3 the best upgraded model? Or is the DP0, DP1 and DP2 each unique???
The DP0, DP1 and DP2 are all the same generation, just the different focal length lenses. Enjoy!
I fell down the rabbit hole and ended up buying the entire series (all 4 of them). 😅
Some of the most unique point n shoot experience ever!
Sigma's cameras are so strange for....maybe 2 good reasons
You have a new microphone? or a cold? You sound different.
There’s a reason they’re a lens company not a camera
Err what the sigma?
Is it apsc?
Did you just bake a cake, before filming this video?
Well it depends on the price, how much is that ? If it’s cheap it’s worth it