No mention was made of the slime ball Weider brothers who broke their own rules to let Arnold in. Zane doesn't get injured no way does Arnold even enter this contest.
If a true bodybuilding fan would listen to what you two Gentlemen are saying.......he would absoloutley be amazed. a Ton of information and knowledge and rare back stage scenes. Thank you so much for you efforts. I promise ill watch the other 178 podcasts.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines you're dead wrong about that. Do you recall something about a perfect score of 300 awarded to Mentzer when he won the Universe. Mike had the goods, but couldn't stand the crooked judging and the ugly side of the sport. I heard this right from Mentzer when I had lunch with him one day.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routinesno, sonny boy. He did win. He won the Mr. Universe with that perfect score of 300. '80 Olympia and even worse, the' 81: We alI saw the pics of the show splashed all over Muscle & Fitness. I did not have Arnold in first in any instance. Legs, legs man. Heck even in his prime during "Pumping Iron" you could hear one of the guys making jokes about Arnold's legs. That problem only grew (ironic use of the word) as Arnold aged. In '81, Franco was not #1. So there are two facts - Arnold's "gifted" victory in, '80, and Franco' s gifted victory in '81. I don't give a rat's ass about either show, just as I was no longer a fan after 1979.
There is a an interview on the Internet where Arnold talks about the 1980 Mr and he says it was a mistake for him to enter the show. I can't recall his reason but I think it was something along the lines of he really didn't have much need to compete again because he already had proved himself.
Right, he said the others felt disappointment of seeing him entering the show when he had everything else already on the plate, like he took the title away from someone else.
@HotLover Arnold was the kind of guy you had watch and check his ego, otherwise he would pull tricks and psyche outs if he thought he could get away with it. He was a schmoozer too with people that could get him ahead.
I always wonder how this would have affected Arnold's career if he ended up getting like 5th place in the 1980 Olympia. Breaking his winning streak and affecting all the promos for him in Conan The Barbarian coming up. Plus all his ad venue as top champ in the magazines. Seeing an alternate reality to what really happened would be such an interesting unfolding of what may have happened for many of bodybuilders continuing careers. Especially Mike Mentzler, who probably may have competed for many more years. Such an intriguing what if.
So true. Mike Mentzer winning the Olympia would have changed the trajectory of bodybuilding and the Olympia forever. But it was not to be, as former competitor, Roger Walker once said "Arnold flew over in his own plane, with his own film crew. They followed him to the toilets, showers, everywhere. They were here to promote and publicize his new movie. There was NO WAY he was going to lose, and everyone knew it."
Just being honest but I always felt Arnolds body was not very symmetrical. He had huge cannon ball arms but his delts were like baby delts in comparison to them. Frank zane despite being smaller kept eveything in better proportion.
i was training at the same gym in Sydney where some of the Olympia guys were training, Tom Platz, Danny Padilla, Ed Corney, Samir was there, Reg Park was there and asked me where could i find the 50 LB plates, he was training Danny Padilla on that day, you mentioned Reg was helping Arnold that night though, but he was definitely supervising Danny the day i was there... i didnt know who these guys were, i aske a friend in the gym who they were, that friend was Brendan Ryan one of the judges, he swears blind that Arnold was the best. As for the former IFBB President of Australia, Peter McCarthy, you can actually see him in the photo where Mike and Arnie are having words, he's at the back, black hair on the Ben Weiders left
Great to read you mention Peter Mc carthy...in my previous message i was 99% sure he was the former Person in charge of IFBB Australia. I used to run into Peter at few occasions back in the mid 90s
There were two people who thought Arnold was the winner, Franco and Tom Platz. Tom worshipped Arnold and wanted to emulate him. Every other competitor thought Arnold should have been anywhere from 3rd to 6th. I have heard interview testimony from several of the competitors who were there.
There's a fairly recently interview with Danny Padilla where he says(I'm paraphrasing)Arnold wasn't at his best but pose for pose it's hard to say, Arnold may have legitimately eked it out.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Jealous? Not at all. This is an accusation levelled at Mike Mentzer constantly. That Mike was pissed at Arnold, that he was jealous of Arnold winning. If you listen to Boyer Coe, at no point did Mike think or say he should have won. In fact Mike cited a couple of other competitors who he thought should have won. He was unequivocal on the fact Arnold should not have won, just like virtually all the other competitors.
@@booty121212 There were others with weaker legs. Look at the guy to his right, though might have been the only one. It's just that Arnold's lower body didn't match his upper body, he wasn't evenly developed like Mentzer, Dickerson, Walker, Padilla, for instance.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines on the contrary the bashing came from Arnold. When Mike and his high intensity system started challenging Arnold and Weider’s system of training it didn’t go down well. During one seminar Arnold tried rubbishing Mike’s philosophy, unbeknownst to him Mike was in the audience. Suffice to say Arnold did a backtrack that if it was a moonwalk it would have challenged Michael Jackson. Arnold was all about Arnold and Weider was all about Weider. That’s why they got on so well. When Arnold was given the floor to make his point about why he wanted the two classes abolished. His reaction was to act like a petulant child bereft of anything meaningful to say. Which is why he accused Boyer of acting like a child. Boyer wasn’t annoyed he found the whole incident bizarre. It was Arnold being Arnold. Or as Mike put it ‘a big Prussian son of a bitch trying to walk all over us’.
CONGRATS on 10,000 John....Way Underated IMO....Another terrific vid,..You always come up with hithertoo-unknown-insights from yourself and guests....Much appreciated by me... I bought my 1st "Muscle Builder/Power" mag in March 1973 (Katz on the cover),but lost interest in the late '90s....Old School is where it's at for me and your content is superb!!....Cheers from New Zealand.
Arnold was weider boy and in the end they will fixed the show no matter what. Arnold was chosen for a purpose and he serve that purpose very well, even to this day.
Yes I would agree somewhat to that too, however, I still think Arnold held a special place in Weiders heart. Is just my opinion, I never meet either one of them. By the way your channel is awesome.
The guy who really got effed in 80, 81 was Danny Padilla/ Mike M - fifth place what an absolute joke. Too Bad Mike M didn't smash Arnold's face for being a selfish prick. Great job on this video guys - I watched the entire video... very entertaining
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines we get it, you don't like Mentzer. This is why people like you could never be a judge and why people like me should judge, and did judge!
Arnold definitely shouldn’t have won but I’d still put him in the top 4...his brilliance was in the posing where he could conceal/minimise the weak points...
My only comment about the 1980 Mr OLympia is that I use to go to a gym that was owned by 2 brother here in Australia that got the opportunity to see Arnold compete. They told me that Arnold was the most impressive on stage and that he deserved to win. You can't judge a contest by photos.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Yep, when I heard Mentzer followed Skalak's example I was pissed off. He left all his fans over one loss proving it was never about his fans but all about himself and his fragile ego. Others were crapped on by the IFBB such as Padilla, one of the most under-rated BB's of all time. He was way better than Columbo. But Padilla never quit. Padilla was the short version of Arnold IMHO. Then we have Lee Priest. He never quite over the IFBB crapping on him. Look at Jay Cutler. He got second to Coleman many times before finally dethroning him. Then lost one and came back to recapture. With Jay, it's all about the fans, even to this day with his Jay Walk series and heading to Romania in August as a guest poser at 50 years old. Love these guys.
Bill Pearl was supposed to be the head judge and he was with full knowledge that Dickerson was competing. Pearl was involved with the judging of other recent contests including Dickerson.
Arnold won but barely. He was off and his legs were down in size. He was cut though and with his stature and structure he pulled it off. Being Arnold and being taller in height with his great arms and shoulders and great calves from the rear he looked like the winner on that stage. As a bodybuilder myself what you look like standing next to another person does not have any bearing on the judging. It matters only what you look like from the judging table and with the comparisons to one another. The fix may have been in on Arnold to win. But he did barely but actually won.
He walked on out there and he just glowed and flowed. Knew how to present himself, fought like hell and used every bit of his winners attitude and charisma. The rest is history.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines How could the judges tell when he didn't do the poses that were called? Sort of makes a mockery out comparing compulsory poses.
Arnold’s chest and arms were just so dominant his back was great too and his calves and abs. In 1980 his thighs were pretty weak and in some poses Arnold looked weak but he was probably the best ever at avoiding doing things that made him look weak.
Funny I remember that there had been two weight classes for YEARS including the previous year. So Arnold wasn't wanting to change anything! Just continue as previousl years!
Did you all watch the new Jocko Arnold podcast interview? It’s really good. He talks about the 80 olympia and admits he backed out of judging to compete last minute. But he didn’t say much else.
What about Yates winning with a torn biceps or Ronnie needing a perfect scores on posing and to out pose flex wheeler and does to win MR.O or Jay Cutler beating martinez and everybody back stage had him winning sound familiar and the biggest thing Arnold only trained 8 weeks while what everybody else got a year and it looked like he belonged on stage so what if Arnold would have had the same amount of time to train then what it might have been not even close then Mr heavy duty went out smoked a cig which is not good for a image of a MR.O
Although Arnold had much, much more potential than Chris Dickerson he shouldn't have won in 1980. Mike Mentzer wasn't conditioned enough to win the title. He was too flat but I put it him before Boyer Coe. Frank was very conditioned but he lacked of size although if he had won with Arnold I wouldn't have surprised too. Chris was in his top condition and was complete in comparison with Arnold. In 1981 the best competitors were Danny Padilla and Roy Callander but Frank Columbu won ! Even Tom Platz and Chris Dickerson were better than Franco and deserved 3th and 4th place. Frankly, Franco could have fought for 5th place with Jusup Wilkosz and for me Jusup was also better.
A bodybuilder is only a good look from a distance. Up close it has no comparative advantage due to proportion and size up close. Arnold was good looking from the vantage of the audience to the stage.
Well Arnold was not in his best shape,but he did stand out on the scene and was very good at posing.Had he been in 74-75 shape,he would have smoked them.
All the talk about Arnold being 'small' in 80, but he still made nearly all the rest of the line up look like boys by comparison in terms of his chest, traps, arms. His legs were definitely weak, but to me he still had the best upper body there. But I know plenty will and do disagree. That's the thing about bodybuilding, et the end of the day it largely comes down to personal tastes and preferences....I don't know of a single Olympia win that you won't find others who think someone else should have won. But, it's fun to keep the conversation going 😁👍🏻
this is isnt a question of taste or preferance he had no lower body, that is a too big a flaw to have.Its not like say dorian who had a torn biceps which is visible in ONE of ELEVEN mandatory poses( semi relaxed and muscularity rd).Weak legs are visible in all damn poses the ideal body has to be more or less balanced, he was not balanced his chest was way too big compared to his delts, his biceps were too big for his triceps and forearms, his upper body dwarfed his lower body and his thighs were too small compared to his calves. Arnold never had great balance inb that regard.But at least early 70s his legs were so glaring, still weak imo but here they were atrocious.
LucianPopa I don't disagree with your points, his legs were clearly really weak in 80 and certainly no where near the level required, as you say, even with personal preference taken into account. All I saying is that some of the criticism has taken on the level of hyperbole at times and that due to the absolute focus on Arnold (and him not being good enough) there doesn't seem to be much balanced discussion about the flaws in the other competitors: of which there was plenty. So don't find the discussions overly balanced.
I've got the video of the 80 Olympia...there's no way Arnold won--wouldn't of placed him in top 5! It was close between Mentzer and Dickerson. The former had a better physique but was shaky during posing and Dickerson, as usual, had a great routine. I think Roger Walker was overlooked: dense and ripped with no weak points...look at his back, legs and abs density compared to Arnold! I would of given him 3rd. 1) Dickerson 2) Mentzer 3) Walker 4) Coe Arnold would've been 5th at best.
How do you have it? Can I have a copy so I can post it on my podcast channel the underground sound? Look up underground sound Bostin Loyd you’ll find the channel
Thumbs up and already subscribed. Always like John Hansen's Podcasts. The simple hard truth about the 1980 Olympia is the world found out 80%of Arnold was still better than everyone else. Hard pill to swallow, especially for people with small ego's but it's the truth. Arnold was blessed with better genetics not just in being taller but also his perfect "bone structure" proportions but also Arnold is a sculptor/artist like Rafael or Miachael Angelo, how? he sculpted his body with weights instead of clay. What do you mean? He did what in my "Professionally trained Artists"community is we know as inner shape balancing. I don't get it, can you illustrate? maybe, the laymen don't understand but here it goes: In art school we draw about 600 sketches per semester, bodies, faces etc., we get sick of it, but one thing we learn is how to "balance sweeps", for example Arnold's trapezoid is long and begins the upper sweep, then its interrupted by his mid body and it gets picked up with another sweep in his lower back, where if you made an imaginary path line it lines up perfectly, perfectly, let me say it a third time, perfectly. Most bodybuilders either don't' have that sweep or have it 'miss aligned, or unequally in size, they don't even look for sweeps never mind train to mind them. Now factor in that there are sweeps "all over" the human body that we artists have to draw with 'construction lines' first which we later erase when we draw in the actual muscles. Arnold has "ALL of these sweeps right", in the right begin and end, in the right balanced size for both sides, and aligned on top of it!!. So in 1980 he still had ALL that "symphony of shape" just a little smaller than usual is all. So what? he still had it and so he won. The reason you will always have controversy is because most people can't draw and never will. I picked up a pencil at 5 years old and could draw, it was already there, I duplicated the comics in front of me in seconds while ALL the other children in the classroom could not, only bad draw sticks and circles, still took years of schooling and training to train my eye and what to look for and understand human shape. Most people not only do NOT have the eye, they also don't have the training. Sadly, many bodybuilders were born with muscles beginning and ending in the wrong places proportionally, so they will never achieve that "symphony of shape" no matter how hard they train, how big and defined they get. Very much like a guy with short legs and a long upper body will never be able to change that curse no matter how big he gets. Men don't like to face those facts, but nature is nature, it's what it is. Arnold won because his parents were up on stage competing with the best GENES out there, and he was up there having developed those genes to 80% of their potential which was still better than everybody else, if not as good as his usual 100%. That is the 1980 Olympia explained for anybody who with the guts and courage to accept it. Stuff with a marker and simple photos of Arnold I have explained/shown to family and friends only to watch their faces light up when they see it. I should probably set up a channel where I show this, will probably get a million hits.
Mantastic (Captain Mantastic, Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines, OSBR, AntiHit, MarkHayden, and others for over 15 years) has left the building for now! Lol!
he did win politically but I still think he looked the best on stage. Not in individual pictures but his posing next to others on video. I don’t think there’s 1 Mr Olympia that won without controversy. But that being said... I’m a huge Arnold fanboy, but I’ll admit Arnold woulda won in 1980 even if he didn’t train for it. He coulda came on stage with a gut and woulda won. That’s the power of politics and having the right connections.
It was said here, 'Everybody looks at the open Mr. Olympia as the REAL Mr. Olympia' ... Nope Nope... the open Mr. O is looked at today by everyone I know as the carnival freak Mr. Olympia, and we have no interest in these near 300 pound chemical clowns.
But Arnold only had 8 weeks to train while everybody had a year now think if Arnold had the same amount of time to train but nobody brings that up and think for training 8 weeks he looked like he belonged on stage
No one talks about it because it has nothing to do with nothing. We would merely be speculating. What each bodybuilder does to prep for a show is irrelevant. We don't know that others did and no one really cares.
Actually Arnold trained for over 6 months. The director for Conan the Barbarian wanted Arnold to get his body weight up to 230 lbs where it showed him as a older more massive individual. The director asked Arnold if he could get up to that body weight and he said he could. Arnold trained hard and was on a split routine. Contrary what other people was saying about him. Arnold was unable to get up to that body weight. He was long, lanky, skinny and malnourished looking.
A good friend of Arnold who has followed him when he came to the US from Europe. Trained with Arnold as well and was a judge at 80 Olympia and gave Arnold first place looking like dog meat
Arnold was 30 pounds bigger and 6 inches taller than Dickerson. Name me one competitor that was bigger than Arnold. Plus , Arnold always had a great shape to his muscles, like he did a lot of stretching.
@@TheLusianPopa Arnold had better calves than anyone and tight glutes and hamstrings. When he flexed his quads they leaped to attention and he looked proportional as he flexed with his arms down to his sides.
Size alone don’t mean squat. He’s structured was way of from previous years. Mentzer was in much better shape and condition. Fanatics get blinded many times and forget to be objective. He was Weider boy, plain and simple.
@@jeffreylocke8808 alot of guys back then had good calf develpment.How the hell did he have tight glutes hams when he was very noticeably off and no one back then was showing off those areas either? hi thighs were detailed but lacked muscularity PERIOD
Who cares what Danny says. Him and Arnold were good friends and he idolized that liberal creep. I wonder how he felt when he was shafted in the 81 Olympia to 5th place (looking his best) by Arnold"s romance buddy, Gyno boy Franco? The same with Tom Platz. Two shitty Olympias back to back.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Arnold came in first because it was all planned. And you're following him like a God! MK Utra mind control. Must be terrible being you
That's like saying that people today are still talking about WW2 or any other historic event. This show, along with the '81 Olympia, have infamous places in history, and it's a shame.
@@PaulSter but Arnold is being judged by his 1975 physique standard not the physiques on stage that day ... they all had strengths and weaknesses but he was still the best ... most of these people moaning weren’t even born then and probably never competed in their life’s
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Still haven't answered why Padilla lost and how Arnold's butt buddy won in 81. What's your response overtrained one? Are you taking your meds yet?
@Mantastic-ho3vm Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines, Captain Mantastic, Mantastic and others: Padilla destroyed Dumbo Columbo! Danny was ripped, more balanced, bigger arms, calves, and legs. The dead one had terrible legs (sausage thighs, with one of them being smaller than the other), just like his bromance love partner, Stupidnegger who also had shitty legs in the Olympia prior (and promoted this show), Golf ball sized biceps, to round out the terrible package he had to offer. The worst boofest in Olympia history! Your other worthless account (Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines) was here as well. Lol!
Every time I see this two together I know for sure that some good old stories are about to come!
100%
I wish he was on a few times per year, they make great conversations in depth on bodybuilding!!
No mention was made of the slime ball Weider brothers who broke their own rules to let Arnold in. Zane doesn't get injured no way does Arnold even enter this contest.
If a true bodybuilding fan would listen to what you two Gentlemen are saying.......he would absoloutley be amazed. a Ton of information and knowledge and rare back stage scenes. Thank you so much for you efforts. I promise ill watch the other 178 podcasts.
The biggest tragedy was mike mentzer letting it affect bim to where he never competed again. So much wasted potential!
Mentzer did try to make a comeback but had his first heart attack during that time
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines he admits he took plenty of dianobol... mentzer is the most over rated bodybuilder ever
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines you're dead wrong about that. Do you recall something about a perfect score of 300 awarded to Mentzer when he won the Universe. Mike had the goods, but couldn't stand the crooked judging and the ugly side of the sport.
I heard this right from Mentzer when I had lunch with him one day.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines"means nothing"? WTF are you talking about? It was from the judging panel.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routinesno, sonny boy. He did win. He won the Mr. Universe with that perfect score of 300.
'80 Olympia and even worse, the' 81: We alI saw the pics of the show splashed all over Muscle & Fitness. I did not have Arnold in first in any instance. Legs, legs man. Heck even in his prime during "Pumping Iron" you could hear one of the guys making jokes about Arnold's legs. That problem only grew (ironic use of the word) as Arnold aged. In '81, Franco was not #1. So there are two facts - Arnold's "gifted" victory in, '80, and Franco' s gifted victory in '81.
I don't give a rat's ass about either show, just as I was no longer a fan after 1979.
There is a an interview on the Internet where Arnold talks about the 1980 Mr and he says it was a mistake for him to enter the show. I can't recall his reason but I think it was something along the lines of he really didn't have much need to compete again because he already had proved himself.
Right, he said the others felt disappointment of seeing him entering the show when he had everything else already on the plate, like he took the title away from someone else.
@HotLover Arnold was the kind of guy you had watch and check his ego, otherwise he would pull tricks and psyche outs if he thought he could get away with it. He was a schmoozer too with people that could get him ahead.
This channel should easily have 100,000 subscribers!!
I always wonder how this would have affected Arnold's career if he ended up getting like 5th place in the 1980 Olympia. Breaking his winning streak and affecting all the promos for him in Conan The Barbarian coming up. Plus all his ad venue as top champ in the magazines. Seeing an alternate reality to what really happened would be such an interesting unfolding of what may have happened for many of bodybuilders continuing careers. Especially Mike Mentzler, who probably may have competed for many more years. Such an intriguing what if.
So true. Mike Mentzer winning the Olympia would have changed the trajectory of bodybuilding and the Olympia forever. But it was not to be, as former competitor, Roger Walker once said "Arnold flew over in his own plane, with his own film crew. They followed him to the toilets, showers, everywhere. They were here to promote and publicize his new movie. There was NO WAY he was going to lose, and everyone knew it."
They even had the 202 Mr O. Got rid of it for some reason.
It was the Under 200 and Over 200 pound class
Just being honest but I always felt Arnolds body was not very symmetrical. He had huge cannon ball arms but his delts were like baby delts in comparison to them. Frank zane despite being smaller kept eveything in better proportion.
Everything other than his arms and chest were lacking, especially his quads.
@@jamesh2711
Triceps and forearms lacking.
i was training at the same gym in Sydney where some of the Olympia guys were training, Tom Platz, Danny Padilla, Ed Corney, Samir was there, Reg Park was there and asked me where could i find the 50 LB plates, he was training Danny Padilla on that day, you mentioned Reg was helping Arnold that night though, but he was definitely supervising Danny the day i was there... i didnt know who these guys were, i aske a friend in the gym who they were, that friend was Brendan Ryan one of the judges, he swears blind that Arnold was the best. As for the former IFBB President of Australia, Peter McCarthy, you can actually see him in the photo where Mike and Arnie are having words, he's at the back, black hair on the Ben Weiders left
Great to read you mention Peter Mc carthy...in my previous message i was 99% sure he was the former Person in charge of IFBB Australia. I used to run into Peter at few occasions back in the mid 90s
Reg favourite bodybuilder was actually Frank Zane
Great video. Jerry is always a good guy to have on any show.
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Mike Mentzer won the 1980 Mr Olympia .... in my opinion
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines nice to see you're still trolling....
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines ... Of course Mentzer came 5th ....
i'm saying he should have won the 1980 Olympia ... in .... my ... Opinion
There were two people who thought Arnold was the winner, Franco and Tom Platz. Tom worshipped Arnold and wanted to emulate him. Every other competitor thought Arnold should have been anywhere from 3rd to 6th. I have heard interview testimony from several of the competitors who were there.
There's a fairly recently interview with Danny Padilla where he says(I'm paraphrasing)Arnold wasn't at his best but pose for pose it's hard to say, Arnold may have legitimately eked it out.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines i thought arnold had more size but his leg development was the weakest on that stage.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Jealous? Not at all. This is an accusation levelled at Mike Mentzer constantly. That Mike was pissed at Arnold, that he was jealous of Arnold winning.
If you listen to Boyer Coe, at no point did Mike think or say he should have won. In fact Mike cited a couple of other competitors who he thought should have won. He was unequivocal on the fact Arnold should not have won, just like virtually all the other competitors.
@@booty121212 There were others with weaker legs. Look at the guy to his right, though might have been the only one. It's just that Arnold's lower body didn't match his upper body, he wasn't evenly developed like Mentzer, Dickerson, Walker, Padilla, for instance.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines on the contrary the bashing came from Arnold. When Mike and his high intensity system started challenging Arnold and Weider’s system of training it didn’t go down well.
During one seminar Arnold tried rubbishing Mike’s philosophy, unbeknownst to him Mike was in the audience. Suffice to say Arnold did a backtrack that if it was a moonwalk it would have challenged Michael Jackson.
Arnold was all about Arnold and Weider was all about Weider. That’s why they got on so well.
When Arnold was given the floor to make his point about why he wanted the two classes abolished. His reaction was to act like a petulant child bereft of anything meaningful to say. Which is why he accused Boyer of acting like a child.
Boyer wasn’t annoyed he found the whole incident bizarre. It was Arnold being Arnold. Or as Mike put it ‘a big Prussian son of a bitch trying to walk all over us’.
CONGRATS on 10,000 John....Way Underated IMO....Another terrific vid,..You always come up with hithertoo-unknown-insights from yourself and guests....Much appreciated by me...
I bought my 1st "Muscle Builder/Power" mag in March 1973 (Katz on the cover),but lost interest in the late '90s....Old School is where it's at for me and your content is superb!!....Cheers from New Zealand.
Thank you so much
Arnold was weider boy and in the end they will fixed the show no matter what. Arnold was chosen for a purpose and he serve that purpose very well, even to this day.
Yes I would agree somewhat to that too, however, I still think Arnold held a special place in Weiders heart. Is just my opinion, I never meet either one of them.
By the way your channel is awesome.
The guys name was PeterMCarthy
The guy who really got effed in 80, 81 was Danny Padilla/ Mike M - fifth place what an absolute joke. Too Bad Mike M didn't smash Arnold's face for being a selfish prick. Great job on this video guys - I watched the entire video... very entertaining
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines ...and that folks explains why he spells School/Skool.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines we get it, you don't like Mentzer. This is why people like you could never be a judge and why people like me should judge, and did judge!
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines go away! Please!
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines my left nut
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines More verbal vomit from a loser. Study Arnold's 10 Commandments yet from your mother's basement?
There is no “His legs were off, ...but.” This was the the year bodybuilding suffered a huge hit in respectability.
Good to see that your cheek is getting better. I hope you get the all clear if you haven't already. All the best buddy
Thank you
Bill Pearl was the head judge at shows leading up to the Olympia with Dickerson in the lineup.
The person who was running IFBB Australia before Paul Graham was Peter Mc Carthy ( Mr Australia) and Frank ..99 % sure...
Arnold definitely shouldn’t have won but I’d still put him in the top 4...his brilliance was in the posing where he could conceal/minimise the weak points...
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My only comment about the 1980 Mr OLympia is that I use to go to a gym that was owned by 2 brother here in Australia that got the opportunity to see Arnold compete. They told me that Arnold was the most impressive on stage and that he deserved to win. You can't judge a contest by photos.
39:20 in the video: Arnold was that perfect watch. The one and only.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Yep, when I heard Mentzer followed Skalak's example I was pissed off. He left all his fans over one loss proving it was never about his fans but all about himself and his fragile ego. Others were crapped on by the IFBB such as Padilla, one of the most under-rated BB's of all time. He was way better than Columbo. But Padilla never quit. Padilla was the short version of Arnold IMHO. Then we have Lee Priest. He never quite over the IFBB crapping on him. Look at Jay Cutler. He got second to Coleman many times before finally dethroning him. Then lost one and came back to recapture. With Jay, it's all about the fans, even to this day with his Jay Walk series and heading to Romania in August as a guest poser at 50 years old. Love these guys.
Bill Pearl was supposed to be the head judge and he was with full knowledge that Dickerson was competing. Pearl was involved with the judging of other recent contests including Dickerson.
Arnold won but barely. He was off and his legs were down in size. He was cut though and with his stature and structure he pulled it off. Being Arnold and being taller in height with his great arms and shoulders and great calves from the rear he looked like the winner on that stage. As a bodybuilder myself what you look like standing next to another person does not have any bearing on the judging. It matters only what you look like from the judging table and with the comparisons to one another. The fix may have been in on Arnold to win. But he did barely but actually won.
He walked on out there and he just glowed and flowed. Knew how to present himself, fought like hell and used every bit of his winners attitude and charisma. The rest is history.
How come Arnold got full marks for the compulsory poses round when he didn't complete the poses that were called?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines How could the judges tell when he didn't do the poses that were called? Sort of makes a mockery out comparing compulsory poses.
@@shack7631 because he did what any leader does he orchestrated his shots that showed his body part in the best way after doing the mandatory pose...
@@shack7631 let’s just call that the Arnold factor 😇💪
Great segment always is
Arnold’s chest and arms were just so dominant his back was great too and his calves and abs. In 1980 his thighs were pretty weak and in some poses Arnold looked weak but he was probably the best ever at avoiding doing things that made him look weak.
great memories this is pure gold most other "Bodybuilding" channels just seem to be about bullshit
Funny I remember that there had been two weight classes for YEARS including the previous year. So Arnold wasn't wanting to change anything! Just continue as previousl years!
Did you all watch the new Jocko Arnold podcast interview? It’s really good. He talks about the 80 olympia and admits he backed out of judging to compete last minute. But he didn’t say much else.
And he won't--ever!
What about Yates winning with a torn biceps or Ronnie needing a perfect scores on posing and to out pose flex wheeler and does to win MR.O or Jay Cutler beating martinez and everybody back stage had him winning sound familiar and the biggest thing Arnold only trained 8 weeks while what everybody else got a year and it looked like he belonged on stage so what if Arnold would have had the same amount of time to train then what it might have been not even close then Mr heavy duty went out smoked a cig which is not good for a image of a MR.O
Although Arnold had much, much more potential than Chris Dickerson he shouldn't have won in 1980. Mike Mentzer wasn't conditioned enough to win the title. He was too flat but I put it him before Boyer Coe.
Frank was very conditioned but he lacked of size although if he had won with Arnold I wouldn't have surprised too. Chris was in his top condition and was complete in comparison with Arnold. In 1981 the best competitors were Danny Padilla and Roy Callander but Frank Columbu won ! Even Tom Platz and Chris Dickerson were better than Franco and deserved 3th and 4th place. Frankly, Franco could have fought for 5th place with Jusup Wilkosz and for me Jusup was also better.
Mike was the most conditioned there,you did not see the photos in his heavy duty mind and body
Totally agree with what Haney says about the pecking order. Know you're place on the gym floor
A bodybuilder is only a good look from a distance. Up close it has no comparative advantage due to proportion and size up close. Arnold was good looking from the vantage of the audience to the stage.
Not hardly
Arnold told me once... I'm gunna distroy budobuilding!!!
And he did so after that show 😂🤣
Well Arnold was not in his best shape,but he did stand out on the scene and was very good at posing.Had he been in 74-75 shape,he would have smoked them.
All the talk about Arnold being 'small' in 80, but he still made nearly all the rest of the line up look like boys by comparison in terms of his chest, traps, arms. His legs were definitely weak, but to me he still had the best upper body there. But I know plenty will and do disagree. That's the thing about bodybuilding, et the end of the day it largely comes down to personal tastes and preferences....I don't know of a single Olympia win that you won't find others who think someone else should have won. But, it's fun to keep the conversation going 😁👍🏻
this is isnt a question of taste or preferance
he had no lower body, that is a too big a flaw to have.Its not like say dorian who had a torn biceps which is visible in ONE of ELEVEN mandatory poses( semi relaxed and muscularity rd).Weak legs are visible in all damn poses
the ideal body has to be more or less balanced, he was not balanced
his chest was way too big compared to his delts, his biceps were too big for his triceps and forearms, his upper body dwarfed his lower body and his thighs were too small compared to his calves.
Arnold never had great balance inb that regard.But at least early 70s his legs were so glaring, still weak imo but here they were atrocious.
LucianPopa I don't disagree with your points, his legs were clearly really weak in 80 and certainly no where near the level required, as you say, even with personal preference taken into account. All I saying is that some of the criticism has taken on the level of hyperbole at times and that due to the absolute focus on Arnold (and him not being good enough) there doesn't seem to be much balanced discussion about the flaws in the other competitors: of which there was plenty. So don't find the discussions overly balanced.
Didn't another Australian bodybuilder Ian Riley compete in the 1980 Olympia
What's Bill Pearl up to these days?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines oh so you know him personally?
Bill just turned 90 years old last October 31
@@naturalolympia you should do an interview with him you and Jerry i think it would be really special if he agrees!
We have 4K now. Why keep on loading up in 750? That was 15 years ago Quality. Wake up
Plus the Gyno !! Wow !! AND no legs. Dickerson obviously getting the 82 because he didn't boycott the 81.
Great stories. Arnie won because all eyes were on him. It’s history now.
Arnold was always overrated and only had a notable physique when he was on gear.
I've got the video of the 80 Olympia...there's no way Arnold won--wouldn't of placed him in top 5! It was close between Mentzer and Dickerson. The former had a better physique but was shaky during posing and Dickerson, as usual, had a great routine. I think Roger Walker was overlooked: dense and ripped with no weak points...look at his back, legs and
abs density compared to Arnold! I would of given him 3rd.
1) Dickerson
2) Mentzer
3) Walker
4) Coe
Arnold would've been 5th at best.
How do you have it? Can I have a copy so I can post it on my podcast channel the underground sound? Look up underground sound Bostin Loyd you’ll find the channel
@@davenportbarbell734 go to Prime Cuts Bodybuilding DVDs....it's there under 1980 Mr olympia, 2 DVD set, $39.95
Dickerson with his little arms ,torn bicep ,ghastly torn pec,I don't think so
Thumbs up and already subscribed. Always like John Hansen's Podcasts. The simple hard truth about the 1980 Olympia is the world found out 80%of Arnold was still better than everyone else. Hard pill to swallow, especially for people with small ego's but it's the truth. Arnold was blessed with better genetics not just in being taller but also his perfect "bone structure" proportions but also Arnold is a sculptor/artist like Rafael or Miachael Angelo, how? he sculpted his body with weights instead of clay. What do you mean? He did what in my "Professionally trained Artists"community is we know as inner shape balancing. I don't get it, can you illustrate? maybe, the laymen don't understand but here it goes: In art school we draw about 600 sketches per semester, bodies, faces etc., we get sick of it, but one thing we learn is how to "balance sweeps", for example Arnold's trapezoid is long and begins the upper sweep, then its interrupted by his mid body and it gets picked up with another sweep in his lower back, where if you made an imaginary path line it lines up perfectly, perfectly, let me say it a third time, perfectly. Most bodybuilders either don't' have that sweep or have it 'miss aligned, or unequally in size, they don't even look for sweeps never mind train to mind them. Now factor in that there are sweeps "all over" the human body that we artists have to draw with 'construction lines' first which we later erase when we draw in the actual muscles. Arnold has "ALL of these sweeps right", in the right begin and end, in the right balanced size for both sides, and aligned on top of it!!. So in 1980 he still had ALL that "symphony of shape" just a little smaller than usual is all. So what? he still had it and so he won. The reason you will always have controversy is because most people can't draw and never will. I picked up a pencil at 5 years old and could draw, it was already there, I duplicated the comics in front of me in seconds while ALL the other children in the classroom could not, only bad draw sticks and circles, still took years of schooling and training to train my eye and what to look for and understand human shape. Most people not only do NOT have the eye, they also don't have the training. Sadly, many bodybuilders were born with muscles beginning and ending in the wrong places proportionally, so they will never achieve that "symphony of shape" no matter how hard they train, how big and defined they get. Very much like a guy with short legs and a long upper body will never be able to change that curse no matter how big he gets. Men don't like to face those facts, but nature is nature, it's what it is. Arnold won because his parents were up on stage competing with the best GENES out there, and he was up there having developed those genes to 80% of their potential which was still better than everybody else, if not as good as his usual 100%. That is the 1980 Olympia explained for anybody who with the guts and courage to accept it. Stuff with a marker and simple photos of Arnold I have explained/shown to family and friends only to watch their faces light up when they see it. I should probably set up a channel where I show this, will probably get a million hits.
@Mantastic-ho3vm You are right, will do it soon.
......Still waiting for that to happen. What's taking so long?
Mantastic (Captain Mantastic, Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines, OSBR, AntiHit, MarkHayden, and others for over 15 years) has left the building for now! Lol!
he did win politically but I still think he looked the best on stage. Not in individual pictures but his posing next to others on video. I don’t think there’s 1 Mr Olympia that won without controversy.
But that being said... I’m a huge Arnold fanboy, but I’ll admit Arnold woulda won in 1980 even if he didn’t train for it. He coulda came on stage with a gut and woulda won. That’s the power of politics and having the right connections.
Even when he’s not 100%, Arnie is a winner through and through.
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I agree 💪👍
Didn't anybody interview Arnold?
Apparently Arnold doesn't want to talk about it
It was said here, 'Everybody looks at the open Mr. Olympia as the REAL Mr. Olympia' ... Nope Nope... the open Mr. O is looked at today by everyone I know as the carnival freak Mr. Olympia, and we have no interest in these near 300 pound chemical clowns.
53:27 @heavydutylegacy
I know the details why the judging panel was fixed John. Tell u in private.
But Arnold only had 8 weeks to train while everybody had a year now think if Arnold had the same amount of time to train but nobody brings that up and think for training 8 weeks he looked like he belonged on stage
No one talks about it because it has nothing to do with nothing. We would merely be speculating.
What each bodybuilder does to prep for a show is irrelevant. We don't know that others did and no one really cares.
Actually Arnold trained for over 6 months. The director for Conan the Barbarian wanted Arnold to get his body weight up to 230 lbs where it showed him as a older more massive individual. The director asked Arnold if he could get up to that body weight and he said he could. Arnold trained hard and was on a split routine. Contrary what other people was saying about him. Arnold was unable to get up to that body weight. He was long, lanky, skinny and malnourished looking.
1972; Busek was Not the promoteur . He worked for Athletic Sports Journal
A good friend of Arnold who has followed him when he came to the US from Europe. Trained with Arnold as well and was a judge at 80 Olympia and gave Arnold first place looking like dog meat
2:04 Whats with the thumb press to knuckle? Is Bill Pearl a Freemason?
Arnold certainly is
Arnold was 30 pounds bigger and 6 inches taller than Dickerson. Name me one competitor that was bigger than Arnold. Plus , Arnold always had a great shape to his muscles, like he did a lot of stretching.
too bad he was incomplete ( no lower body) and not in condition
what does being 30 lb heavier help if its not well distributed across his frame
@@TheLusianPopa Arnold had better calves than anyone and tight glutes and hamstrings. When he flexed his quads they leaped to attention and he looked proportional as he flexed with his arms down to his sides.
Size alone don’t mean squat. He’s structured was way of from previous years. Mentzer was in much better shape and condition. Fanatics get blinded many times and forget to be objective. He was Weider boy, plain and simple.
@@tomasf.alvarez9556 Mentzer had a shallow chest compared to his arms. And his look was good but his chest lagged behind in thickness.
@@jeffreylocke8808 alot of guys back then had good calf develpment.How the hell did he have tight glutes hams when he was very noticeably off and no one back then was showing off those areas either?
hi thighs were detailed but lacked muscularity PERIOD
Don't care Arnold wasn't his best but he was still better compared to the rest I mean does anyone see Conan The Barbarian up there besides Arnold?
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Danny Padilla said he thought Arnold was good enough and deserved to win the contest.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines 🐴💩
Very magnanimous of him 😀
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines like they would ?????
Who cares what Danny says. Him and Arnold were good friends and he idolized that liberal creep. I wonder how he felt when he was shafted in the 81 Olympia to 5th place (looking his best) by Arnold"s romance buddy, Gyno boy Franco? The same with Tom Platz. Two shitty Olympias back to back.
Danny still works for the Weider corporation now?
fascinating!!!!
Mentzer mr o !!!!!
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines i know that -Arnold should b 5 th !
and zane dickerson or Mentzer 1
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Arnold came in first because it was all planned. And you're following him like a God! MK Utra mind control. Must be terrible being you
Folks enjoy throwing folks under the bus...
Frankenhouser!!!🤣🤣🤣Fankhouser.
Arnold still looks better.
40 years on and the Arnold haters are still crying over the 1980 Olympia.... get over it Arnold won move on and get a life
That's like saying that people today are still talking about WW2 or any other historic event.
This show, along with the '81 Olympia, have infamous places in history, and it's a shame.
@@PaulSter but Arnold is being judged by his 1975 physique standard not the physiques on stage that day ... they all had strengths and weaknesses but he was still the best ... most of these people moaning weren’t even born then and probably never competed in their life’s
@@peterthorpe4085 point to me one weak point on Mike Mentzer that year? (80)
The following year, name one weak point on Padilla and how Franco won?
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Still haven't answered why Padilla lost and how Arnold's butt buddy won in 81. What's your response overtrained one? Are you taking your meds yet?
@Mantastic-ho3vm Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines, Captain Mantastic, Mantastic and others: Padilla destroyed Dumbo Columbo! Danny was ripped, more balanced, bigger arms, calves, and legs. The dead one had terrible legs (sausage thighs, with one of them being smaller than the other), just like his bromance love partner, Stupidnegger who also had shitty legs in the Olympia prior (and promoted this show), Golf ball sized biceps, to round out the terrible package he had to offer. The worst boofest in Olympia history! Your other worthless account (Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines) was here as well. Lol!
Incorrect: Danny Padilla said Arnold should have won! Liers!!! And you have no idea what you are saying!
And you do?
Dickerson??? Really: you guys know nothing!
You guys are not high IQ!
And neither are you
Arnold was way better period