Most engines will beat a TD42. That’s not why you buy them. You buy them because they go forever and you can fix them yourself.A lot of the running gear for the GU came from the truck division. It didn’t come from NISMO.
Best option for a Patrol conversion , 100% agree with the choice , the 4j naturally has a nice flat torque curve and thats why they make awesome tow rigs .
Via the brochure, a ZD30 and a TD42Ti where pretty close to each other (on paper) and how did that work out for the average punter? In the real world the rotational mass of the 6 cylinder walks all over the 4 cylinder at off idle to mid range RPM.
Love the idea but the Nissan Fan boys love the TD42. Did you guys think of swapping a powerful desiel engine into Y62? Now that would get some attention.
td42t you can fix yourself tho. If you get one in good condition or have one rebuilt, they can go on and on and on and when they do pop, you can fix them, you dont have to take them to a specialist for fixes/troubleshooting. Granted they're not worth the same price as what u get for a 4jj1 so the next best thing is to find the td42t/non t variant for a cheaper sum and maybe put some time/money into rebuilding.
4jj1 is a good motor but hardly a td42 killer. It's just a good cost effective option. You can't replace the low down tractor enthusiasm and simplicity of a td. I have a NPR 4j and would swap it in a heart beat for a nissan atlas td42.
@@thelightside5326 yeah if they are looked after they just keep on going. I personally no a guy that's got a gq td42 na with an odometer reading 660. Funny thing is it was broken when he bought it over 10 years ago. Purrs like a walrus and gives him no trouble.
I’d honestly rather keep the zd30 di. Crd is heaps better for getting more power. But as long as you keep an eye on your egt, water temp and boost. Keep on top of services with quality oil. You can chance 200-250 hp while keeping it safe. That being said there’s is allways going to be a few that blow, but same goes with every other motor. Keep services up and use quality parts. They should go forever as long as you’re reasonable with the numbers you chance. Not to mention I have a zd30di, but I’d still love a 4j or even a zd30 crd. There heaps better but the Di still stays strong if you look after her.
I love the td42 I hate 4 cylinders but I just see both the engines are worth it it’s just whatever one you want I’m going to swap a td42 into mine eventually but good video just I still prefer a td42 over 4jj1 any day
@@adventurecorp sorry if I came across wrong on text but what I’m saying is there both good engines it’s just whatever one you like more and again sorry if came across wrong
minimum price for a 4jj1 on one quick google search is $6k not yes you could get it at the wreckers for maybe $3k but why woiuld ya when you could buy a TD42 and throw it in with minimal effort especially if you have the right donner car . engine and all the bells and whistles including new head and machined block im looking at $6K for everything . i Will say one thing tho the numbers that a 4jj1 are making if true are very impressive .... hardly a TD42 killer but hey ho each to their own i suppose . great Video but long live the mighty TD42 ;-)
You should look at Mercedes engines.. Om606: 3L 24valve, power 177hp, 330nm, in-line 6 engine, inline 6 fuel pump, 210kg, stuck internal parts op til 600hp. Om613/648: 24valve 3,2L standard around 200hp, in-line 6 engine. This engines are known as the 2jz in the diesel world..
@@crapcopter if you don’t have the om606/613/648 I really feel sorry for you guys, the 642 v6 diesel is also great engine, I got it in my sprinter van 388xxxkm and never skipped a beat and always carried a heavy load as it is used service car for trucks and trailers. Mercedes trust there engines so much that they don’t even have a engine oil light
Is it really only 5k for a 4jj1 conversion diy? Its 4k for the motor alone, 1250 for the bell housing, then all the other gear like engine mounts and all the other lines, harnesses and ecu.? I see your website has it for ~11k for a conversion kit. a td42 conversion into a zd30 pretty easy is it not? most thing bolt up or you can just get parts of wreckers or marketplace dirt cheap. I'm looking for a conversion for my zd30 and would love to throw a 4jj1 in for ~5k, but pricing it out it is looking closer to your $11k mark.
If you spend retail on all the parts yes. But we have had people buy engines for as little as $500, freshen them up, buy our adapter $1250, make everything else themselves. Just depends how much or how little you want to do.
id say get a good rd28 gu and chuck in a 4JJ1. OR get a more modern and cared after zd30 (series 3 GU onwards) and keep the zd since the gu 3 model onwards zd30's were much better than the earlier ones. but the MUX is definitely worth looking at, especially the new one that got revealed!
A 45hp standard NA td42 will go forever. Although thats not really what we are comparing. Most people don't want to go from a zd30 making 130hp and go back to a TD making sub 100hp.
The only thing you didn't mention is what model year Y61s can this engine be fitted to and be registered. The old tractor engine can only go into 2005 and earlier bodies.
Pretty sure that an engine that is older than the vehicle can't legally be installed so anyone that is doing a TD42 conversion must be doing them up to early series 4 GU's with engines that are the same age as the vehicle or newer engines only. Registration and insurance concerns would most likely follow.
Sounds good is this thing engineered for each State or would you have to get it yourself Because every engineer would like different things so that will make it hard if you have to get it yourself
I understand but the 4jj1 is a very good engine and it can be gotten at a very good price but I don't see how a 4 cylinder common rail turbo diesel is directly comparable to a 6 cylinder mechanically injected turbo diesel but I'm the type of guy that would buy a dirt cheap RB30 Patrol and just paid the fuel bill and laugh at the people who cannot keep up in their Tuned diesel
The TD 4.2 is never been in the race with its overheating even in stock form the 1hdfte is the most engine killer only thing that out proforms them is a 6bt
Do you have comparison dyno runs showing the 4jj has a similar torque curve as the TD? Hp and torque means nothing if it’s all in the wrong spot? The TD has that nice steep torque curve cab the same be said for the 4jj? Awesome if it does.
No need to search far away... Don't get me wrong - I'm in love with TD42, have 5 of them and never sell. Just living in Eu kovchose is no way to make those brilliant engines as commersial items. So go for newer baby of NISSAN - - - VK family VK56 is just what Patrol always sould have. And VK40 is more or less what we need to this body weight
The common rail element is a consern, but you haven't compared apples to apples fairly ive rang several wreckers cant get one of those 4jj1 engines for anything under 6-8k with gearbox as you explained it. Machanical injection is still far more reliable than electrics an day long live the td....
We purchased a complete 4jj1 and gearbox privately over the weekend for $2300. We would also say, long live the TD, but unfortubately that doesnt happen 😁
i agree fuck the power thats not what 4wd's are for the td42 is awesome its so basic literally an engine you can change the oil on and do 1/2 a mil km just doing that
I'll agree that TD prices are up there but $2k for a 4J is just straight up wrong. You're looking at $4K+ for JUST the engine. With all parts you're going to be close to $10k (most likely a lot more) for the complete conversion. I agree the 4JJ1 is a better alternative if you're looking for a newer engine, especially considering you can't actually fit a TD to a patrol after a certain year model. These guys are pushing this conversion to sell their adapter kits and make money, it's that simple. Good for business but please don't mislead the impressionable public into thinking you're saving them moeny on this 'hero engine'.
We have purchased multiple 4js over the last year for sub $3k, not every one is 3k, but the deals are out there. We would never broadcast the numbers if they wernt accurate, we are simpily displaying the infomation in a clear and informed way.
@@jessiewhittaker9417 exactly. This is why putting barra’s and Ls’ in Fourbies is stupid. My patrol hardly ever sees anything past 2700rpm. When the 4.5 makes 1000 at 1700rpm it’s easily the best choice. Power low down where you can use 100% of the power 100% of the tine
You don’t want a bmw engine for the bush. They’re street cars. Yes the new 50D triple turbo 3L are good. But there is no way you will diagnose or fix any issue out in the bush. You need bmw specific diagnostic equipment. Parts are expensive as fuck. Source. Me. Former bmw tech
@@chichotwojay740 I was referring to the older first gen iron block m57 - alot simpler than the later N57 you are referring to....and if you buy a simple laptop and a $25 program (ista) you will have no problems diag stuff....and engines are actually easier to find than alot of other choices....former bmw tech? that doesnt mean much lol
@@japlishdrifting bring your laptop and ista to the bush with you. Then when you fuck out a crank angle sensor cos a bit of water got near it, tell me how ista will help you. It’s only a directory. Does fuck all with electrical troubleshooting and initialising bullshit sensors and components.
I was entertained by this up until your dribble about the 6bt being to heavy and not getting engineered.. I have had 2 and on my 3rd now,, one from nsw and the others qld and the nsw car was engineered and approved by vehicle standards guys in Queensland transport to bring into the state. Won't be snapping that crank and the nickname the million mile motor is for good reasons. But hey you do what you have to to make a sale I suppose
Sorry mate, just going off facts. Happy to weigh any patrol with a 6bt with all the usual gear on the car. We know it won't pass, BUT if you upgrade the front housing then perfect 👌
Dumb claim by people with a financial interest in such a conversion. Any backyard bloke can install a TD for quarter of the cost of one of these overpriced Cummins. A good ole TD is still the best bang for buck, is stone reliable if SENSIBLY tuned and easily worked on in the bush....who ya gonna call when the Cummins electronics fail ???? I`d say anyone would be crazy to spend soo much money on a Cummins conversion.
We arent comparing it to a Cummins. We are comparing it to a isuzu 4jj1. 🤷♂️ We sell heaps of td42 parts, we never said they were bad, we just said we wouldnt use them in a conversion due to better options. Theres always going to be people doing a TD swap "because they sound good" or something. Just not anywhere near as good of an engine than the 4jj1, and thats purely factual going by build quality, reliability, cooling system, economy, and power.
Not bias at all. We work on lots of td42s, and we even say in this video they are good when factory fitted. We are only talking about using them as a conversion option.
Td42 sound. Priceless
I am currently doing a 1HDFT into my GQ patrol, still mechanical , happily pulled out the TD42
Most engines will beat a TD42. That’s not why you buy them.
You buy them because they go forever and you can fix them yourself.A lot of the running gear for the GU came from the truck division. It didn’t come from NISMO.
you buy them for what they aren't there a good old motor and they sound good
i enjoyed the video, but the music was too much, whos idea was that lol felt like i was watching an avengers movie
Best option for a Patrol conversion , 100% agree with the choice , the 4j naturally has a nice flat torque curve and thats why they make awesome tow rigs .
Perfectly good td42 In the forklift right there ;)
Via the brochure, a ZD30 and a TD42Ti where pretty close to each other (on paper) and how did that work out for the average punter?
In the real world the rotational mass of the 6 cylinder walks all over the 4 cylinder at off idle to mid range RPM.
Tell that to a cummins...
zd30 walks away from a td42 off the mark. Up hills is a different story
Love the idea but the Nissan Fan boys love the TD42. Did you guys think of swapping a powerful desiel engine into Y62? Now that would get some attention.
I’d love a 4j in my land cruiser
ZD 30s werent that bad that you would want to bastardise a mighty Patrol with a Bangkok billykart motor..LONG live the mighty TD.
Might as well put a yd25 in then almost as good as a zd30🤣
@@clintmacpherson2514 That doesn't say a lot for the YD25 then LOL
@@clintmacpherson2514 yd25 is a lot better then a zd30
@@lukedontknow9283 they are both the worst engines Nissan ever made
Perfect comment
If you want to look at how crazy 4JJ1's are just look at what they do to them in Thailand.
td42t you can fix yourself tho. If you get one in good condition or have one rebuilt, they can go on and on and on and when they do pop, you can fix them, you dont have to take them to a specialist for fixes/troubleshooting. Granted they're not worth the same price as what u get for a 4jj1 so the next best thing is to find the td42t/non t variant for a cheaper sum and maybe put some time/money into rebuilding.
4jj1 is a good motor but hardly a td42 killer. It's just a good cost effective option. You can't replace the low down tractor enthusiasm and simplicity of a td. I have a NPR 4j and would swap it in a heart beat for a nissan atlas td42.
And not to mention the longevity for a nice td42 is insane.
@@thelightside5326 yeah if they are looked after they just keep on going. I personally no a guy that's got a gq td42 na with an odometer reading 660. Funny thing is it was broken when he bought it over 10 years ago. Purrs like a walrus and gives him no trouble.
100 percent
I’d honestly rather keep the zd30 di. Crd is heaps better for getting more power. But as long as you keep an eye on your egt, water temp and boost. Keep on top of services with quality oil. You can chance 200-250 hp while keeping it safe. That being said there’s is allways going to be a few that blow, but same goes with every other motor. Keep services up and use quality parts. They should go forever as long as you’re reasonable with the numbers you chance. Not to mention I have a zd30di, but I’d still love a 4j or even a zd30 crd. There heaps better but the Di still stays strong if you look after her.
As much as we would love to agree, the 80+ zd30's we have removed for major failures over the last few years says otherwise.
I love the td42 I hate 4 cylinders but I just see both the engines are worth it it’s just whatever one you want I’m going to swap a td42 into mine eventually but good video just I still prefer a td42 over 4jj1 any day
It's tough!
Reliability, power, economy, it's not for everyone we guess.
@@adventurecorp yeah I do agree with that just I prefer a 6 cylinder engine more than a 4 but I do agree it is a very nice engine 👍
@@adventurecorp sorry if I came across wrong on text but what I’m saying is there both good engines it’s just whatever one you like more and again sorry if came across wrong
minimum price for a 4jj1 on one quick google search is $6k not yes you could get it at the wreckers for maybe $3k but why woiuld ya when you could buy a TD42 and throw it in with minimal effort especially if you have the right donner car . engine and all the bells and whistles including new head and machined block im looking at $6K for everything . i Will say one thing tho the numbers that a 4jj1 are making if true are very impressive .... hardly a TD42 killer but hey ho each to their own i suppose . great Video but long live the mighty TD42 ;-)
Can it be fitted to a auto in a zd30 patrol?
And what’s the drive in drive out price roughly?
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its just such a shame that the 4jj1 was in several torsion bar 4x4s
I reckon a 80 series with a 270hp 1kd-ftv 5speed auto conversion would be mint
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4jj1 best engine ever
I’d been waiting on news about this conversion kit . Thanks for the video.
You should look at Mercedes engines..
Om606: 3L 24valve, power 177hp, 330nm, in-line 6 engine, inline 6 fuel pump, 210kg, stuck internal parts op til 600hp.
Om613/648: 24valve 3,2L standard around 200hp, in-line 6 engine.
This engines are known as the 2jz in the diesel world..
You do know hes in Australia right?
@@Lcr34 yes I know that he’s from aus, don’t you guys have Mercedes diesel in aus?
@@huggeren1980 No. Only diesels are 4x4 SUVs
@@crapcopter if you don’t have the om606/613/648 I really feel sorry for you guys, the 642 v6 diesel is also great engine, I got it in my sprinter van 388xxxkm and never skipped a beat and always carried a heavy load as it is used service car for trucks and trailers.
Mercedes trust there engines so much that they don’t even have a engine oil light
@@huggeren1980 It's really hard to find a 642 here too. Sprinters are used as our ambulances and that's it.
I really wish at the "i made a table" part he walks in and goes here it is and just shows a table then actually goes and shows the real table
Great Info, never seen it so clearly presented. Add also the 4.5 cummins there, including prices as well .
Auto option available for the 4jj1 , or manual only?
4jj1 to re4 is due for release close to xmas. We are accepting presales now at www.dieselconversionsaus.com.au
Is it really only 5k for a 4jj1 conversion diy? Its 4k for the motor alone, 1250 for the bell housing, then all the other gear like engine mounts and all the other lines, harnesses and ecu.? I see your website has it for ~11k for a conversion kit. a td42 conversion into a zd30 pretty easy is it not? most thing bolt up or you can just get parts of wreckers or marketplace dirt cheap. I'm looking for a conversion for my zd30 and would love to throw a 4jj1 in for ~5k, but pricing it out it is looking closer to your $11k mark.
If you spend retail on all the parts yes.
But we have had people buy engines for as little as $500, freshen them up, buy our adapter $1250, make everything else themselves.
Just depends how much or how little you want to do.
I am going to buy a Zd30 Patrol should I not get it and get a MUX instead? I love the Patrols look and sound.
id say get a good rd28 gu and chuck in a 4JJ1. OR get a more modern and cared after zd30 (series 3 GU onwards) and keep the zd since the gu 3 model onwards zd30's were much better than the earlier ones. but the MUX is definitely worth looking at, especially the new one that got revealed!
How does it compare with the ZD30?
Should I swap out my fte for a 4jj1? I could get the 200hp with a module and tune
downgrade
It won't outlast the standard td42 though, a 1990 6c td42 engine, well maintained will go longer than a 4c 4jj.
A 45hp standard NA td42 will go forever. Although thats not really what we are comparing.
Most people don't want to go from a zd30 making 130hp and go back to a TD making sub 100hp.
@@adventurecorp that's the unfortunate sacrifice for long-term reliability.
The only thing you didn't mention is what model year Y61s can this engine be fitted to and be registered. The old tractor engine can only go into 2005 and earlier bodies.
Excellent point!
Because the later 4jj1s are euro 4 and 5 compliant they can do into any y61.
Is this just for the patrol or is it for other cars 2
The only thing a TD42 has going for it is that sweet sound otherwise they are very over priced and very under powered
Pretty sure that an engine that is older than the vehicle can't legally be installed so anyone that is doing a TD42 conversion must be doing them up to early series 4 GU's with engines that are the same age as the vehicle or newer engines only. Registration and insurance concerns would most likely follow.
Lets just say there are a lot of TD42 GUs out there in newer cars that shouldnt be...
@@adventurecorp And a lot of older cars with LS engines that don't have all the pollution gear fitted either.😁
Sounds good is this thing engineered for each State or would you have to get it yourself
Because every engineer would like different things so that will make it hard if you have to get it yourself
Opinion on Barras?
How about a 4bt Cummins?
i have almost new engine with 30k km on it, td42ti for 7k usd from caravan
I understand but the 4jj1 is a very good engine and it can be gotten at a very good price but I don't see how a 4 cylinder common rail turbo diesel is directly comparable to a 6 cylinder mechanically injected turbo diesel but I'm the type of guy that would buy a dirt cheap RB30 Patrol and just paid the fuel bill and laugh at the people who cannot keep up in their Tuned diesel
The TD 4.2 is never been in the race with its overheating even in stock form the 1hdfte is the most engine killer only thing that out proforms them is a 6bt
is there a particular year to look for?
Do you have comparison dyno runs showing the 4jj has a similar torque curve as the TD? Hp and torque means nothing if it’s all in the wrong spot? The TD has that nice steep torque curve cab the same be said for the 4jj? Awesome if it does.
Plenty of 4jj1 dyno sheets around the internet, they arent new in the performance diesel world.
Great info. What torque figures can you expect out of a tuned 4j?
sorry just watched the vid again and found my answer
Perfect!
No need to search far away... Don't get me wrong - I'm in love with TD42, have 5 of them and never sell. Just living in Eu kovchose is no way to make those brilliant engines as commersial items. So go for newer baby of NISSAN - - - VK family
VK56 is just what Patrol always sould have. And VK40 is more or less what we need to this body weight
Is it possible to use the Nissan transmission with the 4JJ1?
We have adapters for 5sp almost done and have re4 auto in the works
The common rail element is a consern, but you haven't compared apples to apples fairly ive rang several wreckers cant get one of those 4jj1 engines for anything under 6-8k with gearbox as you explained it. Machanical injection is still far more reliable than electrics an day long live the td....
We purchased a complete 4jj1 and gearbox privately over the weekend for $2300.
We would also say, long live the TD, but unfortubately that doesnt happen 😁
i agree fuck the power thats not what 4wd's are for the td42 is awesome its so basic literally an engine you can change the oil on and do 1/2 a mil km just doing that
Is it possible to fit a 4jj1 with its 6speed auto into a Y61?
Anything can be done if you wanna put in the effort mate
I'll agree that TD prices are up there but $2k for a 4J is just straight up wrong. You're looking at $4K+ for JUST the engine. With all parts you're going to be close to $10k (most likely a lot more) for the complete conversion. I agree the 4JJ1 is a better alternative if you're looking for a newer engine, especially considering you can't actually fit a TD to a patrol after a certain year model. These guys are pushing this conversion to sell their adapter kits and make money, it's that simple. Good for business but please don't mislead the impressionable public into thinking you're saving them moeny on this 'hero engine'.
We have purchased multiple 4js over the last year for sub $3k, not every one is 3k, but the deals are out there.
We would never broadcast the numbers if they wernt accurate, we are simpily displaying the infomation in a clear and informed way.
kettles sound better but
have u heard a 4j with hardcut limiter, they sound mint
@@amos5543 yeh diesel limmi is cool but td on gov mint
Who cares about limiter your not driving around sitting on limiter td4.2 sound better driving around
@@jessiewhittaker9417 exactly. This is why putting barra’s and Ls’ in Fourbies is stupid. My patrol hardly ever sees anything past 2700rpm.
When the 4.5 makes 1000 at 1700rpm it’s easily the best choice. Power low down where you can use 100% of the power 100% of the tine
Bmw x5 M57 is a good choice too...cheaper than both and has more power/torque than both
You don’t want a bmw engine for the bush.
They’re street cars.
Yes the new 50D triple turbo 3L are good.
But there is no way you will diagnose or fix any issue out in the bush. You need bmw specific diagnostic equipment. Parts are expensive as fuck.
Source. Me. Former bmw tech
@@chichotwojay740 I was referring to the older first gen iron block m57 - alot simpler than the later N57 you are referring to....and if you buy a simple laptop and a $25 program (ista) you will have no problems diag stuff....and engines are actually easier to find than alot of other choices....former bmw tech? that doesnt mean much lol
@@japlishdrifting bring your laptop and ista to the bush with you.
Then when you fuck out a crank angle sensor cos a bit of water got near it, tell me how ista will help you.
It’s only a directory. Does fuck all with electrical troubleshooting and initialising bullshit sensors and components.
@@chichotwojay740 ummm...inpa/ista does exactly that - tells you whats broken. i know - because i have used it...you sure you are a bmw tech?
It s a very common swap in Europe . Make a quick search here patrol m57 engine
Comparing a common rail to mechanical pump...wtf???
Also a straight 6 vs 4 banger???
Well you aren't going to compare identical engines, true?
Tb42e 💪
We love a tb42 dont you worry 👌👌👌
A1hdft trumps a td42 any day
I was entertained by this up until your dribble about the 6bt being to heavy and not getting engineered.. I have had 2 and on my 3rd now,, one from nsw and the others qld and the nsw car was engineered and approved by vehicle standards guys in Queensland transport to bring into the state. Won't be snapping that crank and the nickname the million mile motor is for good reasons. But hey you do what you have to to make a sale I suppose
Sorry mate, just going off facts.
Happy to weigh any patrol with a 6bt with all the usual gear on the car. We know it won't pass, BUT if you upgrade the front housing then perfect 👌
om606 the world
Dunno where u are getting prices from a second hand 4j would easily run u over $4k
We have purchased 3 in the last 3 months for 3k inc gearbox
@@adventurecorp how many of them have eaten swirl flaps
@@harrygibbs-hughes4820 none
Dumb claim by people with a financial interest in such a conversion. Any backyard bloke can install a TD for quarter of the cost of one of these overpriced Cummins. A good ole TD is still the best bang for buck, is stone reliable if SENSIBLY tuned and easily worked on in the bush....who ya gonna call when the Cummins electronics fail ???? I`d say anyone would be crazy to spend soo much money on a Cummins conversion.
We arent comparing it to a Cummins. We are comparing it to a isuzu 4jj1. 🤷♂️
We sell heaps of td42 parts, we never said they were bad, we just said we wouldnt use them in a conversion due to better options.
Theres always going to be people doing a TD swap "because they sound good" or something. Just not anywhere near as good of an engine than the 4jj1, and thats purely factual going by build quality, reliability, cooling system, economy, and power.
6 cyl to a 4 cyl? Come on guys you can do better than that.
So many haters out there mate !! Keep up the good work with the content !!
Not haters, just a little broken its ok, they all come around once stung 😎
@@adventurecorp looking at the 4JJ1 swap, but this is a very salty and arrogant comment
@@mikemale3034 not really mate. Just the truth.
Rather a Td42 at least I don't need a engineering certificate for it
Technically, you do.
add your material 7:51 - why it's so bad if it's so good??? 🤣🤣🤣 TD42 8t$ 4JJ1 4t$.... and now everything is clear
BARRA !!!
Up the mighty barra. Perfect petrol swap for a 4x4 but I'd keep the ol Td42.
Haha isnt it funny talking stock power the zd30 has 160hp and 380nm more than both.
Zd30 is usually around 100-110hp at the wheels. So less than the 4jj1 and slightly more than a standard td42
Does it have the grunt of a td42 though haha
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@@adventurecorp don’t reckon
Buttt it's a Suzuki motor
Isuzu motor*
Biased much
Not bias at all. We work on lots of td42s, and we even say in this video they are good when factory fitted. We are only talking about using them as a conversion option.