The Last of Us 1x9 FINALE REACTION!! "Look for the Light"
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00:00 - Intro
03:30 - Reaction
16:20 - Discussion: Permission to be Sad
17:20 - Joel's Power
18:38 - Ellie's Choice
19:13 - Time Doesn't Heal All Wounds
20:40 - The Greater Good
22:40 - Ellie's Mother
25:12 - Lack of Infected
25:43 - Use of Visual FX
27:48 - The Hospital Sequence
30:10 - Challenging Characters
31:06 - Respecting the Game
33:21 - Any Complaints?
35:32 - Consequences of Joel's Decision
42:01 - Other Possible Video Game Adaptations
45:48 - Avoiding Season 2 Discussion
46:14 - Things Missing from the Show
48:43 - What if No Season 2?
49:29 - Creation of a Cure
51:16 - Appearance of Game Actors
52:42 - Would you sacrifice your own child?
55:20 - What Ellie Believes
58:51 - Patreon Poll
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it was a real giraffe
Joel’s gunfire being muted showed how detached he was…. But it also made me feel that his getting to Ellie was absolutely inevitable.
Pedro in that gunfight was on fire. How he managed to play joel like that and the empty eyes was incredible
Honestly i like to think the whole scene was muted cus Joel was in listening mode
In rewatching it - I just figured it was muted because that’s how Joel hears. What a great episode!
Yeah the audio in that scene really gave the feeling of how tragic it was. It's wasn't a cool upbeat action scene, it was a horrible tragedy that he couldn't and wouldn't stop. Such amazing writing, directing, acting etc etc etc. Gotta got replay the game now lol
It’s that and the editing. They should have held shots following Joel so it was longer and a lot more tense
I don’t think Joel was ever for the greater good. He didn’t stop for the family on the road in the first episode. He’s for the good of the people close to him.
Every smart man wouldnt xD
This is a good take. While this certainly doesn't make him a bad person, this is correct. It's why he's survived for so long. But at the same time, being for the good of people close to him leads to bad decisions like his hospital rampage
Joel is a quintessential antihero.
He's a horrible person, there's a big difference between not helping someone and shooting 20 innocent people
@@CristianCorbett Sure it makes him a bad person. The number of purely evil people in the world who are okay with hurting anybody are vanishingly small. The number of people who do horrific things to other humans in the name of benefiting their own family and friends is much higher, and they are bad people.
"Dammit Dale. He didn't do shit."
I love that everyone has that reaction. You had ONE FUCKING JOB DALE.
Now I can’t help imagine him having Dale from King of the Hill’s voice. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The fact they brought the voice actors of Ellie, Joel, Tommy, Marlene, and Abby in one season is phenomenal
Laura Bailey was one of the nurses
@@nimz8521 yea I know I was hyped lol
@@301baby4l in the game she was one of the nurses too. So she was the only one to play her in game character. Edit: I forgot about Marlene being played by the voice actor from the game as well.
@KC Hammer Of course, they had to
@@DarkElfPaladin Merle Dandrige also played Marlene, the same character as she did in the games
"Cover her ears"
Dale. You had ONE JOB.
The lack of choice Marlene and the Fireflies gave Ellie and Joel was their downfall. Joel was never going to let Ellie go, but the only person, in my mind, who would’ve convinced Joel to let her go through with it was Ellie herself.
Agreed.
Honestly, I don’t know if I agree. Maybe if Ellie chose to go through with it to his face.
But Joel knew Ellie would have gone through with the procedure, that’s why he had to lie to her about what he did, his choice to save her was really an act to save himself from another loss.
@@Jez_DeLuna - I agree Joel's fear of losing Ellie like with Sarah definitely was a big motive - of course a parent never truly gets over the loss of a child. But i also think he was thinking about all that Ellie lost in her young life already (her mom, riley, part of her innocence...etc). Recall what he said to Ellie when she shot ole dude Bryan back in KC, "you shouldn't have had to - you're just a kid". That scene hinted at another major reason why he lied - to give Ellie a chance at a real childhood free of the immense and unfair burden of being the "savior of humanity." He saw Ellie carrying so much on her shoulders plus here come Marlene and the fireflies asking for her 14 y.o. life on top of all that - without even asking. I think Joel saw that as the final straw.
@@joeg6478i think he didnt care if they told her (in the game is never implied they did or didnt and he still go agro)
Ellie couldve said in his face she was ready he would somehow save her and lie to her
@@miigi-p4939 - nah they didn't tell her in the game either. i disagree becuz his main reason for lying was to unburden her plus if she told him to his face that she accepted dying and he saved her anyway their relationship would be ruined from then onwards
You get to see the Joel that everyone was scared of. He’s like a terminator
Ellie knew what happened right when she woke up. When Joel told her that raiders broke in and he barely got her out she knew. When she asked him "Were people hurt?" She was asking him, "Joel, did you kill innocent people?" You can see it in her face. Brilliant acting.
When Pedro said that it wasn’t time that healed his wounds…. Phenomenal actor.
Pedro's acting in general, but especially with his face and eyes this season was just incredible. He deserves an Emmy.
*nomination. Bob odenkirk deserves the emmy
@@andyb6400 no Pedro wins
@@andyb6400 pedro is better than whoever that is
@@brinaskore If you don't know who it is how do you know he doesn't deserve to win? Personally I don't know him either and would love to see Pedro win. But can't say he should win without seeing all the competition.
Okay I really like him in this and pretty much everywhere, but I don't see him anywhere near an Emmy for this
In the show while Joel is going through the hospital taking out the fireflies, the scene of Sarah’s death kept replaying in my head. The look on his face was as if everyone he saw looked like the soldier that took his daughter from him. Just chilling
They made the entire sequence so haunting and weirdly beautiful, I really love how it was directed.
IKR? I feld weird cause it was so satisfying for me.
Jeez it's horrible if u still like Joel after that u're a bad person cus he's a selfish monster who murder 20 innocents in cold blood and u guys still thinks he's cute and blablabla
Joel’s spree wasn’t meant to be heroic, nor likeable. It’s the actions of a traumatized man reliving his daughter’s death and his failure to save her over and over.
Also the Fireflies - noble as their objective may be - aren’t exactly “innocent.” Just look what happened to Kathleen’s crew after they overthrew the Kansas FEDRA.
But nevee fear. Joel will reap consequences in Season 2. He almost did many times in Season 1, but Season 2 is all about the reckoning.
@@gilbertgeorgegiles - i don't think Kathleen's crew were fireflies but normal ppl who became consumed by vengeance after enduring Fedra's barbarism. you're right tho the actual fireflies were far from "innocent". they probly killed countless ppl with their bombs tryna liberate Boston. that group had blood on their hands even before attempting to cut Ellie up like David almost did. I'm not excusing Joel's actions but i feel like neither side was without sin. but i feel like it was more wrong for Merlene to put the burden of saving the world on the back of a 14 year old child becuz her group of grown adults failed to finish the job on their own.
I like how in the podcast after, Neil Drucan said they asked play testers if they sided with Joel or not, and the ones without kids were 50/50 but the ones with kids were 100% on Joel's side.
It's like one of my favorite quotes from Tenet, "we all like to think we'd run into the burning building, but until you feel that heat, you never know". As a parent, I'd do anything to protect my child.
Only because they thought of it as "would you save your child" instead of "would you literally murder everyone in the building" and even one that has surrendered
I feel like that's missing the point. Saving your child is natural. But what if you know your child could save the world by dying, and you know that if you asked they would say they're okay with that. You would save them for purely selfish reasons. Not their benefit but yours.
Joel knew she would've said yes and he knew the vaccine would work. But he got her out anyway and lied about what happened because he knew what he did was bad, beyond murdering all the Fireflies. He betrayed Ellie.
@@clarkmichaels822 It all goes back to the moral dilemma. By your comment, I assume you don't have kids, so you have a different perspective. The biggest argument is that neither side gave Ellie a say. Marlene even said they didn't tell her so she wouldn't be scared. That's where the biggest issue lies. Joel goes on a rampage because he isn't going to lose another kid. And the flip side, the Fireflies were perfectly fine with sacrificing her without giving her any choice either. If you want to be so strong on Joel "betraying" Ellie, both sides did. Which is the point of the choice. It's meant to spark conversation and different viewpoints. All have valid reasoning behind them but the biggest argument is that nobody gave her a choice, nobody.
If my 15 year old kid said, Mom, a doctor says he can cure a disease if I let him dissect me, then no I’m not going to honor that decision. Shut up, you’re a child, you’re loved, and I’m not letting you.
No way would any playtester admit, in person to a game dev's face, that they'd be okay with sacrificing their child in any circumstances lol. It's an absolute societal taboo.
That jump cut when Anna is killed and baby Ellie cries out, almost in anguish at the death of her mother, is one of the best bits of editing I've seen in this entire show. Tragedy has touched Ellie's life from the moment she was born.
Between this and Wakanda Forever, I really appreciate the insight Eric brings to these conversations. You can really feel how much he loves his mother when he shares his grief with us.
It's so crazy how actually Bella looks like Ashley 🥺
I’m not hating but … I really don’t see it 🤔
@@skylarjeselnik It's the shape of the face.
@@w415800 and nose, jaw lime, forehead
@@joshpetrillo28 you mean “foooooorhead”
@@notBrockerstfu 💀
Love that they got Ellie's voice actress Ashley Johnson to play Ellie's mom in this!
@Darkstar laura bailey as one of the nurse.
I know the game Ellie is based in her face, but I never thought Bella looked like Ellie, but Ashley looks JUST like Bella. I could immediately tell that was supposed to be her mom. They have similar eyes.
@@jaredf6205 That what I thought too! They look like. And have similar mouth shape
Ellie gave birth to Ellie 🥲
The giraffe was real, not CGI. The background behind the giraffe was CGI. That is why the visual FX are so good. You can't tell what is and what isn't real.
Yeah I think the combination of the color grading on the giraffe against a blue screen is why some people think it's CGI. I think if it was a real background with natural sunlight it'd have looked more 'real' to some folks.
@@PLAjcmdaddy the lighting did feel a bit off to me when they're feeding the giraffe, but later when they're both just watching them in the distance it looked perfect
I was like thats the realest looking CGI giraffe. But i guess the background make the giraffe look off. Idk thats weird. Its so good.
The giraffe is partially CGI actually.
@@DeanoDino Exactly this. The head and a bit of the neck are real, the rest is CGI. It's shown in the 'Making of The Last of Us'
The moment he called her baby girl was the moment he would never let her go. I can't wait to play the game on the 28th.
I think they were clever complicating this by having Ellie tell Joel what they would do afterwards - so in Joel's mind, Ellie was thinking already about the future they would have together, so when she wasn't given an option to choose, Joel could justify this all to himself by that. He knew of course what Ellie would pick, but that little interaction gave him a loophole. Brilliant storytelling once again.
I think they also complicated it in some of Ellie and Joel's conversations from previous episodes. Joel probly had some idea what Ellie would pick but he was also able to justify his actions to rescue her becuz of their conversation by the campfire when she thought it was gon be as simple as: "they draw my blood and put it thru some fancy machines and make a cure" and in scene with Sam that repeatedly showed she thought the cure was her blood, not her life.
I like Bella's explanation of the final scene in the Inside the Episode segment. She says Ellie doesn't really believe Joel, but she makes herself believe, because the alternative would be too painful.
Me too. I’ve wondered for a long time what that scene meant since the game, and that explanation felt to most real to me.
Of course it’s open ended and in the behind the scenes podcast had many of the designers, including Ashely Johnson, and they all had different interpretations.
The way he said “damn it Dale” like that was actually his name 😂
Yeah, right? I laughed so hard 😂
Thank you Aaron for expressing the Fireflies decision to not give Ellie the choice. A lot of people seem to only talk about Joel's decision to stop them and not the Fireflies. In my last post I talked about how I did not like the quick decision to kill Ellie with no testing what so ever.
Eliie's mother telling Marlene that she cut the umbilical cord before being bitten was obviously to protect her child, she didn't know what would happen afterwards but lied to give her a chance. But in doing so withheld the biggest and best clue of how immunity is possible in the first place, but then it would raise some serious moral questions about raising an infected orphan who's mother had to be killed in order to replicate the scenario if not using Ellie, which is super messed up but you can be sure someone in this world would do it
Laura Bailey, who plays Abby in part 2, was one of the nurses about to operate on Ellie.
She did play background voices in the original game and did play a nurse in the same scene.
@@andrewli6606 really?? that’s really cool to know
@@lintofleigh Yup! Laura Bailey shows up a fair few times in the first game, although in the remaster, Naughty Dog retroactively changed some of those voices. She was the reporter on the TV that Sarah watches when the outbreak starts, and you hear her (and Travis Willingham) as a different character talking near a dumpster in Boston, and she's the voice of one of the nurses operating on Ellie.
Abby was a nurse? I dont think so where is the big biceps or the bodybuilder body? I thought the doctor was her dad and thats whys she is mad and want revenge?
@@MrMirco003 the nurse wasn’t actually Abby it’s just the actor who played the nurse voiced Abby in the game !
I love how they actually filmed the giraffe 🦒 scene with real life giraffes at the zoo! Just one more detail that shows the dedication to this masterpiece. Cant wait for season 2 😍
i just hoped for that scene, because this series is rushed like the Game of thrones ending :(, fav scene of the game and series
@@MrMirco003 it is not rushed, they just removed all the long gameplay parts. If you go look on youtube for last of us game movie (where they take all the cutscenes and important gameplay parts it is like 5-6hours. All the important parts were done justice and even some new stuff was added.
The only real thing missing is a sense of constant danger from the infected. But Neil said in season 2 there will be more infected interactions and they will go deeper on the whole network of mushroom vines.
@@MarleyOfWar Nah it definitely felt rushed imo. I think they could have used another episode or at least made this episode an hour or more instead of 43 minutes, pretty sure this was the shortest episode of the series.
@@australianwi-fi it was the shortest, but what else could they have added more? For me length of a movie or game doesn’t always mean longer is better. Time is a very precious commodity nowadays 😂 i only wished there were more infected battles but for that I replayed the last of us part 1 and got all the kills i needed. I’m happy they confirmed more infected will be in season 2. Probably a budget issue knowing how expensive those infected scenes were.
@@australianwi-fi There were originally 10 episodes, but they lengthened the first episode and made it 9 instead, but Season 2 is confirmed to only cover half of the remaining story.
This was an emotional episode seeing the opening with Ashley Johnson's Anna opening the episode gave me chills. It's the passing of the torch from the OG Ellie to the actress who is playing Ellie in the show. Ashley in those 5 to maybe 10 minutes powerful performance and knocked it out of the park.
Also, for me here's what sets this show apart from similar shows: restraint. It's eerie, intelligent, carefully paced and most importantly it only rarely shows you the infected. This means that when an infected DOES appear, it's impactful AF.
It’s so nice to see someone praise the show’s strengths after watching the critical drinker’s review. His comment section was full of angry PlayStation fanboys absolutely attacking the show for nothing other than “not being the game.”
@@brycedecker7142 Which is absolutely insane in and of itself. If someone is so into the game they can go play the game. A TV show *adaptation* is obviously going to have its own feel in some ways.
@@ivankawnartist exactly. Critical Drinker actually gave it a positive review which is rare as he has hated basically every big tv show from the past year (which is totally reasonable). And all the comments were telling him how he “messed up the video” and that he only liked it when compared to all the garbage from the past year. Super weird vibe there.
For me the show is too fast and rushed like got ending. We had so little moments of real conversations of joel and ellie u can count them on one hand
"This is a story about Love and how irrational it can be."
Then Part 2 is a story about hate and how blinding it can be.
To me, art is about what you take away from it, not necessarily what was intended by the writers and such, which is what makes it beautiful, I really like your perspective. One thing that bothers me tho, is people who say Part 2 is about "revenge bad", feels really reductive to me, kinda like saying Part 1 is about the cure for the infection.
Part 2 can be seen as "Eye for an Eye and the world goes blind" too
Thanks for spoilers to us non-gamers
@@Henrique-wv9xq People are reductive with the meaning of part 2 because the story is so weak and poorly written. Part 2 bludgeons it's story together with extreme coincidence and characters making irrational choices to force the story where the writers want it. Easiest example, "Hey how are we going to find Joel? Oh nevermind, I ran face first into him on accident in the middle of a snow storm right as a convenient enormous hoard of zombies showed up out of nowhere, corralled us to exactly where I wanted us and then aside from like ten they disappeared like they never existed in the first place but unlucky me the one person most connected to my target showed up just in time to see the final blow and then we left them and Joel's literal brother alive because why would anyone seek revenge for the death of someone close to them? I am smart."
It's enough coincidence to win several lotterys with characters making insane choices and the only possible justification for any of it is "because the writers wanted that way". My point is, people are reductive with the story because it doesn't stand up to the lightest scrutiny or thought, the writers came up with a message and then beat the story into whatever shape would get that message across fastest and loudest. Love it if you want to but as far as I'm concerned it's about as deep and meaningful as tattooing "Damaged" on Jokers forehead.
Oh I’m ready for this. Joel literally said “screw humanity” just to save Ellie. I wonder what the hate in season 2 will be based off of
That part where Joel finishes those first two guards and picks up their gun and his whole demeanor just darkens before he goes full beast mode in that hospital. Like Rick Grimes going savage on walkers when Lori dies/Carl gets shot in the eye.
At the end of the day it should’ve been Ellie’s choice and that was taken away from both Marlene and Joel. I agree with what Joel did in the hospital as a parent you would do anything to protect your baby. But the lying is gonna come back on him sooner or later.
Ellie had already told Joel her choice. No half measures. He knew what she would have chosen and took that away from her out of selfishness. If Tommy had been the one to take Ellie to Marlene the world would have been saved.
Basically, Marlene and Joel acted like parents in taking agency away from the child. The difference is, Joel actually WAS a parent. Marlene didn't have that right.
But yes, this is going to cause problems for him down the road. Ellie at the end clearly is doubtful, but she goes along because she loves and trusts Joel. But this is a plot bomb that will detonate down the road.
@@nimz8521 No, Ellie was acting on the assumption that she would live after they make a vaccine. As evidenced by the fact that she wanted to follow him everywhere after a cure was made. You can not assume that she was willing to push through without knowing that she could die from it. We'll never know because the Fireflies took away her choice and never told her
Well no… it was a choice taken by Jerry, who forced the Joel’s choice… Jerry chose to gamble the life of the (1) immune subject based on maybe 10 hours of primary study and a 3rd party account of Ellie’s birth
Jerry chose desperate, pisspoor science; so Joel chose… had Jerry not forced the totally unnecessary immediacy, they mighta avoided commando joel
I agree that what Joel did is what a parent would do. I do not agree that he has any moral ground on which to stand when making that choice. It doesn’t matter how important Ellie is to him, his choice made him a worse person than many villains in other stories.
One thing I think about Joel's decision is that not only is the cure not a sure thing, but Ellie still gets attacked by zombies, so they are still a threat and also, this version of humanity feels like it isn't worth saving anymore, especially if you are Joel.
I didn't realize how much not having the controller in my hand was going to magnify the horror of Joel's rampage. Sat in my couch just feeling squeamish the whole time. Such a well done sequence.
I think a lot of it was the music choice. It was a constant reminder the reality of what was really happening
I shook with rage knowing i wasn't the one going on a rampage.
That was the most realistic new born baby I've ever seen in tv. Somebody on set must have literally had a baby and then brought it to work a few days later and let them use that baby.
yes it was an actual baby, they talked about in the behind the scenes
@@brady3319 Yeah in the podcast they elaborate that those scenes were shot with a set of fraternal twins. A boy and a girl but the girl doing most of the scenes because "she was a better actor" 😆
Probably an actual baby but the process of birth is not
I’ve seen the “Making of” right after the episode but I still can’t comprehend how they make these amazing shows/movies.
There’s so much work behind it, it’s insane.
I thought the same thing! Usually, newborns on tv look like they're about 4 months old. I was wondering if somebody had just had the baby in the next room.
I’m very satisfied with the finale. Good thing this definitely won’t come back to bite Joel… yep. No lose ends. It’s all good…
Yep I'm sure everything's gonna be great. I'm sure all those fireflies and drs don't have family who love them like Joel loves Ellie👍
😅🙃🤨🏌♂
😂😂
The fact that they focused on the dead body of the doctor Joel shot...eh, I'm sure it's nothing. 😉
Who wants to go golfing ! I’m know Joel loves too!
Biggest surprise of the episode is that the giraffe was real.
@@Golfballtauchen there are 3rd party reports to corroborate the BTS documentary details about the real giraffe… they even cite the giraffe’s name
@@hellfish2309 Yes my false sry.
Wait till the giraffe totes an AK-47 on a revengee rampage in Season 2.
I'm glad everyone notices that the guy holding baby Ellie didn't cover her ears like he was instructed to, because that was something my mother and I picked up on while watching
To me, Joel made the right decision not only for him but for Ellie too. In the scene where he tells her they could leave, let it go, and live their lives, Ellie answers "what else could we do?" implying that she's doing it only to make her traumatizing experiences "worth it". Not because she has hope the cure will work, not because she trusts the Fireflies, heck contrary to what Marlene says, not even because she believes she could make the world a better place. Ellie wants to go with it because she's worn down by trauma and the guilt of having survived so many people that she feels she's failed. Which is what Joel sees, which is why he shares his story about wanting to be suicidal: because he recognizes the symptoms of that hurt, and guilt within Ellie.
So all in all, with that addition, the writers literally put it on screen that Ellie *is* suicidal. Because of trauma, because of pain, because of guilt. Soooo... do we REALLY let her kill herself, use that trauma and grief against her, kinda hoping it's for the best? "The Greater Good"? Exploiting a young girl's trauma? Makes Joel's choice even more personal and intimate between them, since again, the writers went out of their way to add this whole suicide-thing, how it connects them both and how Joel actually can relate to the burden on Ellie's shoulders (which is something you feel less in the game, since Joel is not immune). And you say so yourself, if your kid wanted to be eaten by cannibals for whatever reason, you'd pull them out of there and be like "noo you don't know what you're talking about!"... but why? The end result is the same, a kid dying for the good of others (I mean, they'd feed other people so isn't that good? imagine if these people were starving or something? We could go far with this!). And if the kid chooses it so, why do we stop them because it's cannibalism and not scientifical researches? So can we say we know what Ellie is talking about when she says she'd be ready to die for this thing? When she says that her life "would have mattered this way" even tho, her life as she lives it right now matters too, which is literally what Joel tells her over and over again in this episode?
Now the lying part is another thing. But I feel it's more to do with Joel's martyr-thing of carrying this weight on himself, rather than transmitting it to Ellie. After all, it was his decision and it's another burden he thinks Ellie shouldn't have to carry.
I really liked how during the show they included the voice actors for Joel, Tommy, Ellie, etc and gave them parts in the show. I also liked how Tommy and Joels voice actors both said something along the lines of "My death was so gnarly I loved it"
As some one who knew very little about the game I can say I was blown away and heartbroken beyond belief my god what an ending 😢
Both TLOU games are masterpieces as far as I'm concerned. Not in terms of gameplay or graphics maybe but the story telling is so good. The games aren't feel good titles though. I was gutted by the end both times. Especially part 2 broke me.
Is a horrible ending, why is the game so famous? Joel is just a selfish psychopath who kills without caring and any development he had in the show he ruined it in the hospital
@@lucasas8002 you really didn't see this coming? Its always been hinted at who Joel really is throughout the series and the game. This is a story about love and how irrational it can be.
@@andalf_der_graueI thought the graphics was amazing and itself a bit masterpiece. The gameplay was similar to uncharted, which itself had masterpiece level gameplay.
@@lucasas8002that's the point. The game is famous because of the multiple viewpoints and angles you can take from this game.
I think in the show they made Joel's killing more "villainy" whereas in the game the fireflies where about to kill Joel so he acted out of self defense for himself initially and then he had to take down a bunch of fireflies trying to kill him. It's a harsh world
"The World Took Everything From Him, So He Took Everything From The World"
I just don't buy it. There's absolutely no suggestion that the Fireflies have any clue how to do what they want to do so it would just be one more needless death. The show literally starts with someone saying "There is no cure"
@@Scimarad I don't think they're after a cure but more of a vaccine for immunity. And whether there is or there isn't or if they know what to do with it is irrelevant to Joel's arc or decisions.
@@Scimarad In the game, I always got the impression that the Fireflies were incompetent at best. I mean, a doctor got infected by being bit by his own lab-monkeys. Come on.
@@jardelelias5625 That's one of the things that really annoys me about the sequel. They went out of their way to make the Fireflies nice and more competent to make Joel's actions seem worse. It's like that scene in Austin Powers where we get to see all the friends of the Henchman that just died🤣
Ellie: So time heals all wounds does it?
Joel: It wasn’t time that did it…..
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I played this game 10 years ago and to this day it is one of the single greatest stories ever told. I remember debating with other gamers for over a year about if Joel made the right decision or not. The question of “You have a chance to save the world but the cost is that you lose the person you love the most in the world after already suffering that pain before”. The answer, the REAL answer, is that both Joel and Marlene made the wrong decision, because that decision should’ve been Ellie’s to make. In the Last Of Us (GAME) podcast Neil Druckman talks about how Joel and Marlene had no right to take that choice away from Ellie. She would’ve said yes, and then Joel would have no choice but to respect her wish. She wanted the deaths of all the people she had lost, Riley, Tess, Henry and Sam, to mean something. Even if it cost her her life. And even though a small part of her knows in her heart that Joel was lying to her she feels that she can’t let herself believe that the only person she loves in the world took away her chance to save the world.
Also I love that Ashley Johnson got to play Ellie’s mom Anna. It was a beautiful full circle moment that the woman who plays Ellie in the games played her mother in the show. And Lauren Bailey who plays Abby in Part 2 plays one of the nurses in the OR. And it sucks that even though we have to wait a couple more years for season 2, it will be worth the wait!
Until then, Endure And Survive!
Joel know people better, fireflies with cure just gonna be another dictatorship, they won't share the cure to all people they gonna use as bargain power. Noone can save the world, might as well Joel save who's he can save, just like Tess said in her last moment also in line with message from Bill, to protect his purpose which is ellie.
I do think there is something to be said for Ellie only being a 14 year old who does understand death but deciding that for yourself for such an obvious lost cause would’ve been a waste.
She would have died for nothing. Joel took the decision from her but it was the right one.
Marlene 🙄 should’ve spent more time actually trying to figure out a cure rather than letting a bio student just go straight to cutting apart the brain of the only immune person they know. She knew after Ellie got bit that Ellie’s mom lied to her. She spent zero time trying to explore what could’ve happened there and started doing research on animals or SOMETHING
The show reframed the ending in a subtle but important way. They added Joel's story about almost ending his life. Not only that, but they hammered the point that he wasn't scared; he was ready.
This is about Ellie. She has decided, no half measures, to complete this task despite the danger. It would be her choice. However, the show also made it very clear that she is absolutely not of sound mind right now. She is going through a very rough patch. The survivors guilt, the recent trauma... She would decide to end herself and she would feel ready.
However, Joel knows this too shall pass. It's not about what Ellie would choose if Marlene had asked. It's about buying her more time to find something worth fighting for.
@@elheber perfectly said
@@elheber wow, i didn’t think about the last one. more time to find something new to fight for. i really like ur points
Eric, I'm sorry to hear about the passing of your mom. I lost mine last February and it's been hard, but my wife helped me through it. Thank you for bringing up how you dealt with your situation.
I've seen a lot of people getting emotional over Joel's failed suicide revelation. It's a very intense scene from an episode that already delivers so much
adds more heaviness to it because Pedro Pascal lost his mom the same way 😢
@@kaley1368 oh shit you're right. Damn. It's always great when works like this can mean something more to the cast/crew. I saw the behind the scenes where Craig Maizen was getting emotional too
Joel was on a mission. There were only two options for him: either he got Ellie out of that hospital, or he died.
Everyone would have done what he did in that situation.
I would have up until the Dr. I would’ve left the surgeon alive bc my main focus would be to do what Ellie wanted. Stop the procedure in time to ask her. If my kid said do it then I’d stay to make sure it gets done. At least we’d have time to process it, except it and say goodbye.
@@Taewills yeah i mean they lasted in this apocolypse for 20 years, they cant wait 2 to 3 more days weird lol.
They could’ve waited for Ellie to wake up and asked her, but Joel knew she was plagued by survivor’s guilt and would be willing to do anything to stop feeling helpless. None of them were in the position to make a rational choice.
They definitely respected the story from the game, but I think they did an even better job respecting the individual characters. Every notable (non-NPC mfers!) character was given ultimate respect. Villains were complex with sympathetic motivations and hero’s were supremely fallible. But every single one was given the highest amount of detail and respect.
If it was my daughter I'd do the same as Joel. Wouldn't even hesitate.
Eric, I absolutely agree that time doesn't heal all wounds. That line really stuck with me and seriously made me think. Such levity, and subtlety.
Thank you guys for the great discussion afterwards, as always. Especially for a show like this. And Eric, thank you for sharing your love for your mom with us. I watch you guys for some years now and one of my favorite parts of your reactions is that you guys seem to actually enjoy what you do, are able to show and communicate your emotions and don't just rush through it but talk afterwards.
And man, I'm very happy you guys don't spoil things along the way. Always mindful of your audience.
I was so convinced it was Ellie her voice is the same to me! I saw it was a pregnant woman I immediately guessed it was her mom what a crazy start this show knows how to put me on edge then put me at ease then get me tensed up. I might need to get my heart checked out after all this! Lmao
I love this show so much!
Really enjoyed seeing your reactions week after week. You're great!
War never changes.
Also, Aaron's cordyceps baby impression. Spot on! xD
Teeny spoiler for part 2:
Fun fact: One of the nurses in the operating theatre is played by Laura Bailey, who played Abby in part 2.
If other Critical Role members get small roles in the next two seasons like the cameos they got in Part 2 that would be pretty cool.
@@thelazygamer1639 None of the other Critical Role members played any super prominent characters like Ellie or Abby. Travis was the big Rattler and Matt was a prisoner, but nothing major. Everyone else played background characters.
@@andrewli6606 Like I said, they had cameos.
Thank y’all for all the excellent reactions! I haven’t ever played the game, and I really appreciate y’all’s perspective. In this reaction, I want to specifically thank Aaron, because he represented a lot of my thoughts about this episode and the nuance of it. I think all 3 of you did an excellent job, and I loved that you all kept asking questions and discussing Joel and Marlene’s choices, as well as Ellie’s lack of choice and possible motivations, had she been given a choice at all.
shout out to my man, Eric. I feel you brother. losing family is a pain in another level that you should deal with it every morning you wake up till the night. it's been almost 6 years that I lost my mom. so much happen in my life since but still there is a hole in my heart. thank you to share your moment in the conversation. love x
The in this episode was the clarifying perspective I needed. The object of the game and show was NOT to make the right decision, it was to make the gamer / watcher CONTEMPLATE the decision.
your reactions and analyzing is the best. PERIOD!
never played the game. just watched the crew playthroughs and i was still engaged each week. this was some really good tv and i'm sad that there are no more eps. looking forward to S2. Thanks for all the great discussions each week boys....
Let's be honest! When Ashley Johnson appears at the beginning, we're all saying, "Holy Shit!" 😆 What a Great Finale!
Aaron’s reaction at 13:06 lol
You guys did a great job making these reactions interesting and safe to watch even though we know you've played the games
I love the little chuckle Eric and Aaron do when they're getting teary over Ellie and Joel's relationship, it's like a little sign of approval to say that yes it's beautiful and yes we're crying about it
"Okay." The feud between these two has been started.
I cried with the giraffe moment. It's such a wholesome beautiful moment. Same as when Joel says time wasn't what healed him.... 💔
Ellie saying she'd follow Joel wherever he went.... 💕
Fuck these writers lol 😭
I appreciate your guys’ reactions- love the sweater too, Calvin 🤭
Loved the reaction guys!
49:54 Eric saying “it’s a tv show, I can work if they want it to work.” makes me so happy. So many people use real life science to say they can’t make a cure but the show literally goes against real life science by having a fungal disease be strong enough to affect humans in 2003 AND have a person be able to be immune to it. Ellie being immune shows that a cure is possible. Like, why can they accept that there is fungal zombie infection and someone who is immune to it, but draw the line at a cure being possible?
Because the game never goes into detail in how that would work. Just that they think it would. Sure, you might be right, but they never explore that idea for us draw any conclusion. What the game does reinforce though, is that the fireflies were completely incompetent and had no idea they were doing most of the time. They just did what they think it was the best for survival, and it was terrible. If a game that is grounded reality, even with a wacky premise that fungal disease to be strong enough to affect humans, wants me to believe that a vacine would work, I need little more than "trust me". Then we can also get into the logistics of how would test it and distrubute the vacine across country let alone the world? Does that sound realistic at all? Not really.
I’ve always taken issue with the fireflies rush to operate. There are so many other tests you’d want to run first with Ellie. You don’t want to blow your only immune person samples on the first day. Because if anything goes wrong you’ve got no fall back.
They never justify why they were in such a hurry.
Ikr? They obviously don’t understand the genre of science fiction
I can suspend disbelief like nobody’s business, but come on. You have to be practical about core points. The world is a shithole. This could be the most brilliant doctor known to mankind. How is he supposed to function with broken, moldy equipment? How are they supposed to distribute this vaccine? How are they supposed to do any of that? And just straight up flash bomb, grab, sedate, and kill within 30 minutes? Right.
The fact that that was a real giraffe!!! His name was Nabo!!
been refreshing this page all day damn here we go
AMAZING ENDING my first time experiencing it it was BEUTIFUL
A very good finale, the giraffe scene was beautiful. They did an incredible job on the series. I can't wait for Abby .
I can't wait to see Joel execute Abby just like he did her daddy. RIP Abby's muscles.
man this adaptation is fantastic, i hope future adaptations take note with how to film they shows/ movies, keep to the script and it will be great
This scene with Ellie and Joel when they are talking in the Army emergency camp is so amazing. All the subtle facial expressions from both of them. MY GOD ! It was flawless !
They did this amazing, this sets Series has started a new Era for Videogame adaptations
So, Joel's rampage was much more detached and slower paced, but you know what it put me in mind of?
The Terminator attacking the police station in the first movie. Just completely inevitable, except Joel isn't a machine...
Joel’s been a walking PTSD victim for 20 years. That whole hospital massacre sequence wasn’t meant to be heroic. It was sad and tragic and terrifying, to see Joel’s dark side fracturing his soul, even if his motivations were 100% understandable.
The greater good cannot be quantified. In the name of the greater good, horrible atrocities have been committed. We’re human, we define our existence by our connections, family, friends, and they’re always a consideration when we make choices.
I support all the decisions that Joe made in the game and in the series always! Eli doesn't deserve to die for a "maybe"... Never!
"Whoever saves one life, saves the world entire."
congrats to laura bailey for being the only voice actor from the first game to survive season 1 (and the second to reprise the same role)
I love that. But given how most people played, I’m actually surprised Kari didn’t catch one in the back of the head.
I'm legit calling it right now.
This is the best video game adaptation to any media I've ever seen!
The Last of Us definitely made this show work by adding new original ideas to the story but also keeping the premise similar to the game itself. Something that the Disney live-action remakes should have done!
Overall, this show was fantastic! 🙂👏
Can't wait for Season 2!
Aww watched this yesterday not realizing it was the finale, the episode felt like it went by so fast 🙁
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3/20/2023
For Eric. I must say that as a person who has never played the game. This programme has had me scared to death, laughing from my belly and sobbing my heart out. The acting from these characters has been some of the best I have ever seen . And I couldn't wait every week to see the new episode. Damn what a ride.
I have no problem with what Joel decided because it's the most human thing to do, so I ignore whether it was the right or the wrong choice.
Fun fact for those that don't know: The giraffe used was actually real.
Awesome reaction yall
The ending left me feeling just like the game did. Brilliant season.
Any person with a soul wouldn’t sacrifice a child for the “greater good” played both games I understand the meaning. Still nothing is guaranteed in life Joel did what was right for the situation.
People have taken the scene with the giraffe and said "wow the cgi on this looks so fucking bad" and then the behind the scenes showed it was 100% a real giraffe. So people have zero fucking clue what cgi looks like.
Yeah it's just idiots who as SOON as they see something like that oh it must be CGI no way it could be the real deal🙄 would have loved to see them eat crow when they found out it was REAL.
Wish they kept the small line when she was talking about Riley, “she said let’s be all poetic and loose our minds together, and she did”. They took out the part we’re she said “and I’m still waiting for my turn”.
I enjoyed this season! Every episode was well made and they followed the story of the first game exactly right! I can't wait for the next season!!
That was a really good finale. And a really good show and adaptation. 👍 Joel's decision was tough. Loved Ashley Johnson and Joel & Ellie interactions. Thank You for the reaction! ❤
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ALL DAY!!!
Also, i honesty cant decide if what joel did was right. Kinda the same conundrum as death note.
some of us have been debating this since 2013
Yeah, I was about to say, this conundrum is 10 years old
@@andareon I never really played in back in 2013. Infact i really couldn't because it would scare my little brother. So i had to watch markiplier play it. When the show started though i pulled out my ps3 and played it, so everything worked out in the end
I find it weird people have such a hard time with this. Joel was wrong.
i mean, to me, it's an easy choice. What joel did isn't right and idk how you can say it is; you can say you understand WHY he did it, but it's not "right".
I was both so looking forward to and absolutely dreading that final "Okay." So, so much is said without saying anything at all. I also just felt a whole wave of emotion once the credits rolled even if I knew what was coming.
Great reaction guys
Even IF had asked Ellie’s consent and even IF she had said yes that’s still not consent because she is a minor.
I mean by that logic she can't also use a gun. I think we're past legality at this point. I think of it more from a moral perspective that it should be her choice.
Ashley Johnson (Ellies Mom and VA for Ellie in the games) and Laura Bailey (One of the nurses and VA for ..a char.. in 2nd Game) made this episode so special. Loved all the cameos and the fact that both of them are great friends IRL (and are on Critical Role together.)
Can't forget the animated series "The Legend of Vox Machina" based off the first campaign for Critical Role.
28:34 it wasn’t until I heard you put it like this that I realized that in a weird way, that description of Joel kind of resembles what the cordyceps do and more creepily the way David described it in the previous episode..
saw this comment on roshis reaction, but that person said ellie is essentially the retelling of the origin story of blade aka she's a day walker. Mother got infected via bite, and was in labor so ellie/blade got the benefits of what infected them non of the weaknesses.
Whole season was a masterpiece
Indeed it was
This is, by far, by _FAR,_ the best change they have made from game to show: Ellie has had cordyceps growing inside her from birth, probably thanks to her being newborn her body learned to adapt and the fungus eventually entered a symbiotic relationship with her.
Why is this such a good change? Because Marlene, in the game, was _absolutely batshit crazily stupid._ In the game, Ellie was bitten on the arm by a mutated cordyceps. From her arm, the fungus grew towards her brain, lodged itself there and there it stayed... So Marlene wanted to take out Ellie's brain and put it in a blender. You see the stupidity? It's a fungus. It doesn't walk around the body, it _grew_ towards her brain. Everything the Fireflies wanted could have been gotten by taking a sample from Ellie's arm. Worst case scenario, cut off her hand. We even literally fucking _see,_ many times in the game, that there is LITERALLY a growth of fungus around her bite mark. Why in the FUCK were they gonna take her brain out?
Changing it so she had a fungus that lodged in her brain when she was a few seconds old and grew there her whole life, it actually makes sense: that's where it is, the easily visible fungus on her arm is not the special mutated one, it's normal cordyceps, so they need to get the super rare and special one on her brain. It's still a little stupid - obvious plan from finding out a human infected right after birth managed to become immune would have been to take a fkton of pregnant monkeys and inject a small dose of the fungus on the newborns to find out if it actually works, have the vaccine be produced through them instead of killing the only immune person ever - but at least it's believable that they'd think of that. There is absolutely ZERO reason for Marlene to go "well this fungus that starts in her arm and goes all the way to her brain is special... Let's cut out her brain, let the arm end stay there. People don't need brains as much as they need arms right?."
Well all of this is fiction so I dont get the essay you just wrote The reason for getting it from her brain is because thats where the "main" cordecepys is yeah her arm has it but it comes form the brain. Think of it has the nucleus if that makes sense
There’s a lot wrong with this
Still speculative… we are shown that as the tenuous speculation Marlene uses to explain Ellie’s immunity after she’s been bitten; it informs the prospect of a cure for Marlene after years of failing revolution
Joel know people better, fireflies with cure just gonna be another dictatorship, they won't share the cure to all people they gonna use as bargain power. Noone can save the world, might as well Joel save who's he can save, just like Tess said in her last moment also in line with message from Bill, to protect his purpose which is ellie.
@@chrischika7026 yeah that's not how fungi work, at all though. Not a shocking lack of knowledge nowadays, but if you're leading essentially a small country with it's own science division during a worldwide fungal apocalypse, you'd think they'd know the bare minimum basics of the one and only thing they need to know about.
Game Marlene seemed to believe, for some reason, that Ellie's cordyceps mutated on the journey to her brain; which is possible, unlikely as all hell, but possible... Even still, if _that_ were the case, taking out the portion in her arm and raising a lot of children from it would be the best way to go.
Grand finale and great show having not played the game i loved it can't wait for season 2 for people who have the played the game is it worth still playing after seeing the show?