How To THROW A GRENADE Korean War Vet
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We were taught to throw them overhand, but you never release the spoon until it leaves your hand.
We’re you using modern grenades though?
@@williamcoles4950most standard issue American grenades have functioned the same since WW2
He’s talkin bout whichever grenades were issued to his company during the Korean War.
@@williamcoles4950 Modern, yes. But the overall design hasn't changed much.
He passed over the most important part of safely throwing a grenade … always make sure to stand up tall and strike a pose before throwing a grenade … standing tall and striking a pose in a firefight will yield immediate casualties … except you will be one of those casualties!!!
First rule of grenade safety, "The five second fuse never lasts five seconds"
Yeah the idea that the grenade fuze is perfectly manufactured and installed every time is a myth. In all but the most desparte close quarters situations you do not want to cook a grenade.
@@warmowedlool yea sole ukrainian guys said u do not fuckin cook grenades over there because theres so many different grenades and one of them goes off like fuckin instantly
*3-5 seconds
... and thou shalt count to 3... 5 is right out.
We called this "milking" the grenade when I was in the Marine infantry in the early 2000s.
Also in an urban setting, we were taught to to throw it into the room underhand towards the ceiling. Theory being that it has to come down and roll/bounce around taking up time for someone able to throw it back.
Obviously thats different if you need to lob it over a wall or into a trench thats further away.
Cooking the Nade
People who never handled grenades in real life usually don't understand the mechanics or internal mechanism, what happens when the pin is pulled, what happens when the spoon is released, and the timing between those events.
I imagine you’d be more likely to hit ceilings and door frames for interior as well. Based off no experience other than probability of launch angle from each motion 🤷🏻♂️
Better you than me happy you made it back man. Very anarchy leaning these days but never would not respect and appreciate veterans
Well you can pull the pin after you sweep the safety and as long as the spoon doesn't move you could hold it all day. But as soon as you "milk" that spoon the fuse starts so you best just throw it. @@silvermediastudio
Did the US ever use those stick grenades? I seen those in war footage being thrown over hand. Different thing I know.
He sounds like my Dad, a WWII vet, explaining something. ❤
Dad said, they’d wait a bit otherwise they might get it tossed right back
I was trained to throw overhand in the Marine Corps. Watching the videos from Ukraine I see the Russian toss it out of his fighting hole. I agree waiting a bit also, maybe on 2 one thousand.
@@MAGAman-uy7whit's called cooking it everyone knows that if u played cod
@@jimtom4878are you always acting like a kid?
@@tinycockjock1967 lmao you don't have a say in anything dirty khazarian
@@tinycockjock1967 and u liked your own comment lmao clown jioh
They teach marines who are unfamiliar with throwing a ball to throw it underhand which reduces the proximity of the detonation from the initiator. During BT ist determined by the drill instructor if a marine has the ability to throw under or overhand. First thing they ask before you even touch a dummy grenade is “WHO HERE NEVER PLAYED CATCH WITH THEIR DADDIES IN THE YARD?!” obviously no one raises their hand but before training goes to live rounds the platoon will be split into two depending how individuals did in training. One group for overhand and one for under.
It’s why most foreign military videos show underhand throwing because most countries don’t play sports throwing an overhand ball.
Just a bit of insight.
How can you be unfamiliar with throwing a ball?! Our military really did get feminized
How incredibly sad someone would be unfamiliar with throwing a ball 😂
Lot of yappin to just say ur an idiot if u can’t throw overhand
@@KirkLee1983most countries don’t have games like football, baseball or softball so you wouldn’t know really how to throw overhand properly if you lived there.
@@kittybuilderbunch7906 As a 5 year old back in 1988 I did and it was natural it's very easy to understand and do. Unless your uncoordinated. I never understood how a few of my youth threw like a Girl.
Whatever you say sir and thanks for your service.
Stop being an idiot and say thank you
Thank you for your service During Korean war
HE WENT,FOUGHT,CAME HOME,THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY,OLD FOLKS MY FAVORITES,ITS ALL REAL,GOD BLESS YOU SIR
@@strattunerwhy all caps lock?
i'm almost blind,and can't see too well ,sorry but its still spelling im working on
He survived brutal combat in Korea so did my dad amazing men amazing generation
Yes, and no one remembers.
Don’t they remember
MASH?
Most people now do not know the year of 9/11.
2001.
@@maryshanley329the good ol 4077th.... Best show ever. Grew up watching that
My Dad is a Korean war combat veteran. We're pouring concrete this weekend. 2nd greatest generation. John Wayne and got nothing compared to my Pops. Respect.
@@jamesclark9777 glad your old man is still alive enjoy
@@jamesclark9777 my dad was at the Chosin Reservoir
Thank you for your service, sir. I lived in Seoul for 8 years. God bless you and your family!
they left you high and dry,
@@joecampbell6486 Who?
We were never taught to throw underhand in the Marines. Always overhand. I can also tell you it felt like I dislocated my shoulder after I threw my very first grenade. 😂 I threw that thing as far and as hard as I could because I had no idea what to expect. It felt like my shoulder popped out of the socket on that first initial throw. 😂 🤣 😂
#BaseballSavesLives
lol threw it wrong, Marine... didn't take the proper "Hiawatha" stance and all. If you injure your elbow or shoulder, you're throwing it not according to standard
Welcome home
Thank you sir for your heroic bravery and valiant service to our country 🇺🇲
Love, honor, respect, and gratitude to you and all who have served and are serving.
My dad was a Korean war vet. He was an engineer sent in with bulldozers to clear landing strips. He said when they left they put the dozers in gear and sent them off a cliff into the ocean. I bet that was a sight lol
No way!!
Thousands of vehicles and equipment were disposed of that way at the end of the war.
They buried them in Vietnam.
My Dad fought in those bloody hill battles with the 40th Recon in 51-52, heard it was a mess
@@austingorby5401this is what America dose with gear it cost to much time money and resources to bring equipment back home so it is usually destroyed before we leave said area
It's so neat to see Korean war vet interviews. My great grandfather was a mechanic in the war but he died in 2007. It's neat to see how old he would've been today
Grandpa got his draft notice in the mail. Before he left for boot camp, he got the acceptance letter from Michigan State to go play baseball for them. He went and played hardball with the Germans once his unit found out he was particularly good at getting small ball sized objects through slightly larger holes on up out about 50 yards. For some reason the Germans never could quite return the favor.
That's amazing
🫠🤔
@@Vagabondobiondo Yeah. He got better at it than he liked to admit, running around with Patton and the Third Army. Wasn't exactly proud of any of it, but he knew it was the right thing to do. At the end of it all the show from '70 had the right of it: "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country".
@@barericdondareyrion5998Yep. Although it’s less dying for their country and more dying for politicians’ careers.
As a side arm pitcher mad respect.
Thank you for your service. Much respect 🇺🇸❤
"Get the job done" ... classic!
Thank you sir for your service. My dad served in Korea.
Grandfather was deployed to tank maintenance in Korea. We spoke a couple times about what it was like… He was a very quiet man and when he got Alzheimer’s that war came back to him a bit. I regret not recording interview sessions but I was too young and stupid to take advantage of the time I had left with him.
At least you've got those memories. As nice as it would have been for others to hear them, they'll mean a hundred times more to you than they would to others.
Truth and SALUTE
Thank you for your service Sir! I am so very grateful for the men and women of our military!🇺🇸
Thank you for your service and God bless you
I never threw a grenade underhand. Wasn't taught that way and never would throw it underhand unless the situation called for it to be thrown that eay.
Ok
Thank you for your service, and sacrifices Sir! God Bless.
This guy knows what he’s talking about and probably has more tips for surviving combat since he’s still alive!
Movie writers, directors. actors, etc, take heed if you want it to look realistic, then listen to what this man has to say. God bless you, Sir. Thank you for your service and for making this informative interview. I would love to see the rest of it.❤❤❤❤❤❤
The army throws over hand nowadays
Ah yes, because a single veteran said he preferred to throw underhand it therefor negates all the historic images, combat footage, and training doctrines we have access to.
Actors and directors can't even get a salute right 95% of the time.
@@domosrage5434Depends what situation you're in. Close combat underhand, long range overhand. Simple
@@lidmc796thats very true, but my point was to not make an assumption based on a single man's perspective
It worked for you 🙏🧐💯. Thank you for your service sir 🙏🥰💯
My dad said the grenade blast is not like it is in the movies with a huge blast. Much smaller however it's the shrapnel that flies.
Thank you for serving Our Country, Sir!
Murphy's Law No 5, Once the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
In the Navy in mid 2000's security forces afloat trained to throw overhand.
I used to work with a guy that I knew had served in Korea in the Armor. He didn’t say much about it, but I knew there was more to his story than he was offering. One afternoon, some time ago, I had “Greatest tank battles” on the TV. I left the room briefly, but could still hear the dialogue. I heard Bob’s unmistakable West Virginia drawl and rushed back into the room to see Bob on TV being interviewed about his time in Korea. That’s when I realized what the rest of his story was. He’s since passed, but he is NOT forgotten.
So, I'm not gonna say he doesn't know what he's talking about because I'm sure military regs have changed quite a bit over the years...but this is most definitely not how folks were trained on hand grenades from at least 23 years ago up until my separation in 2012.
Yeah tactics change over time. Plus the grenade model itself has changed quite a bit.
This is outstanding advice. My best buddy in basic training had been a high school pitcher and fully expected to be the best grenade thrower out there. He quickly realized that throwing a grenade is very different and it does help to let the spoon fly before you throw because it can throw off your aim and make the grenade fly away from your intended target. We're still trained to throw them improperly and while it's more safe, it's less effective.
Thank God and you sir, for your service!
I was taught to use one arm as a point of reference while using the other to throw overhand. That's how the Army taught us in '07
I graduated march 7 from boot camp they taught us proper grip thumb the clip twist pull pin sneak a peek strike a pose frag out
how they teach you in boot rarely works in urban combat, throwing into windows/doorways, etc.
Thank you for your service
I've talked to multiple Korean War vets who all said they were taught to pitch it underhand like a softball pitch. Today we are taught to throw how he said is only done in the movies. Training doctrine changes. Now with the return of trench warfare, underhanded training could lead to very bad results in the heat of the moment.
We were taught to throw overhand but the way we held it prevented most accidental spoon losses. The spoon faced your palm in the area between your thumb and index. No fingers directly retained the spoon after the pin was pulled.
i was taught in basic training to pull the pin fully extend your arm behind you to get it away from your body and with an arching throw at target. The key is to get it away from your head and body...Fort Ord, Monterrey County, Army National Guard basic training,1966.
("Sgt.J."). " You've probably heard they Stopped doing that because... People Shot. Or, Tripped. Hit. Would let go of it. And, Would Explode very close to you. ✌️🍻🕊️
That's the way I was taught in Lithuanian bootcamp in 2016 🫤
And don't stand there an watch it hit the target, as soon as it leaves your hand you hit the deck.
I would say a good way to be taught is pull the pin while holding the latch with your thumb bc you instinctly dont open your thumb when your throwing till you go to let go.
I get what he is saying though. If you are someone not used to pitching you might relax your thumb when drawing back to throw overhand. Training is so important.
Sure thing online military man with years of experience
@@bikingwithgriff2696 👍 def said i was
Afghanistan vet. We "milked" the grenades. It meant intentionally letting the spoon pop off, waiting a third to a half of a second, and throwing as hard as we could 😂
The grenade reaches its destination in the same amount of time, but the fuse is shorter, so less chance of an enemy being able to toss it back.
I mean, If it works, is it really a dumb idea?
When I was trained in basic, we were taught to throw it like a shot put and never let go of the clip , untill you throw it,, it worked perfectly it was more accurate on hitting the target.
people don't realize, lobbing them like that also gives the grenades less momentum when they hit the ground and are more likely to stay where you want it, instead of rolling somewhere not optimal... most people, from what I've seen, think it's basically to just save them from an injury and thus, they being heros, don't need to heed any of that bs and will just do things how they want, oblivious to all the little hidden, additional reasons that regulations and procedures are made, other than the most obvious reasons
The problem with an underhand lob is that people wait too long to let go. Many girls just starting to throw a softball underhand know this (it can go straight up). Throwing overhead, you throw everything at once, and that is when the spoon is released. The problem we had in the military basic training is that at least one person throws the pin and not the grenade. Time fuse allows the DI to toss it over the thick wall and then duck.
I think I’d listen to this guy with plenty of experience and still alive rather than some di with a big mouth.
@@snydedon9636well combat’s different these days from when the guy served, look at any current frag training and you’ll see they’re always teaching overhand. Different methods for different applications but taking an old man’s word and saying that’s the only way to do it is plain ignorance, I’m sure underhand still plays a role in some cases
In urban areas, sometimes it is preferable to throw underhand through a door into a room. While the nade is on it's arch and then likely bouncing unpredictably on the floor or against furniture, it is eating up fuse time so the enemy can't easily kick it to a corner or grab it and toss it out.
Underhand is for up-close and personal or urban settings; overhand is for open areas and further away. Seen both used.
That was actually a fatal flaw of the Mk2 hand grenade, its design encouraged letting go of the spoon when your arm extended backwards. The M67 solved that problem by being a ball shape and thus repositioned how your hand curled around it, making it far easier to keep control of the spoon, added to that was better grenade training and there was a sharp reduction in accidents, right up until 1968 when officers just started having tons of unfortunate accidents with grenades. Tragic
I always threw it overhand, but don't release the spoon until im releasing the grenade.
Thank You for Your service sir. God bless Y'all.
God bless you and thank you for your service sir. 🙏🏻🇺🇸
Those seconds feel as if they were years. The time is short, but the experience.
That makes sense. I was taught a bit different in 2009 to throw it like a baseball. I still remember the rush when I first pulled that pin, and the bigger rush when it popped off. The concussion even from throwing distance is quite the feeling.
Thank you for your service young man!❤❤
My Dad was ah Korean war vet, stationed in Japan. Met my Momma there. They were fantastic parents. You were Awesome! Yall were my Heroes ! I miss you so much Mom & Dad
Best tactic I believe for hand grenades Is the tulip tactic in which a person places the grenade securely into a glass cup with its side pin against the inside of the cup. This allows the grenade to be thrown a greater distance due to the pin not being ejected until the glass hits the ground and breaks
Thank you Sir! Thank you for your service! Your an American Hero...
Civilian here, how does one throw under hand from a trench or foxhole? Wont your health bar be near zero afterwards?
20 year veteran here, and son of a Vietnam vet. Not all examples are blanket statements for every situation. If you are charging an enemy position and they are in a foxhole, woulnd't they be below you?
Civilian here, and even I could throw something under handed out of a hole
In Korea, the U.S. typically fought from hilltops. So it makes sense he’d be under handing it down the hill to be accurate with his throw. The arc of an Overhand throw would be useless due to the elevation drop. It would be detonating wayyyy over OPFOR’s heads.
@@thJune ah gotcha
While I was performing Drill Sergeant duty at Ft Benning, I had a memorable experience. My Drill partner and I were running the grenade range. We went through the name, explain, have demonstrated parts and were now having them do the practical exercise. The range was going smoothly and then we had this one private come up and he looked like a nervous wreck. So we slowed it down a bit to give him a quick on the spot refresher just to ease his mind. I always kept an inert grenade handy. Once set, this private pulled the pin, dropped the live grenade and then threw the pin. God as my witness. Drill Sergeant Valentine pushed the kid aside and jumped on top of him while I reached down and grabbed the grenade in what seemed like slow motion. At this point I am figuring the grenade had cooked for about about 2 seconds. I got the grenade over the wall and basically threw it outward and downward to skim it so it wouldn't go off in the air. Out not up. I was beyond fortunate to get it well over 10 meters away. Aside from being loud we got some of the dirt showered on us. I still have that grenade pin.
When training they use practice grenades they will bang but they don't fragment.
We did have a live grenade range exercise. Privates, at that time, were required to throw an M67 "baseball" grenade as an Infantry School graduation requirement. The M67 is still the current issue High Explosive-Frag grenade for the US military. The US Army has been using them since the Vietnam War. @@tubeonline629
@@tubeonline629 Na...combat MOS's actually used live grenades during training. Your intro to grenades are training sims...after that, you very much do throw live frags. I put several downrange at Fort Knox. I don't even think they give badges out anymore for grenades.
McNamara's Morons.
They taught us to hold on tight to it and throw it like a shotput. When I threw my live one at MCT my instructor remarked that this did not seem like the first time I had thrown one. I told him it was not, without thinking he asked me "Where the hell did you get your hands on live grenades"? I told him, "Do you really want to know Staff Sergeant"? He said, "No, no I don't and we never had this conversation".
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Respect this man!!!!!
The way we were taught in the Infantry was more of an overhand push throw than either way he's described.
Man and here I thought you were supposed to throw the pin and drop the grenade.... I'VE BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THESE YEARS! 🤣
God Bless you for your service!
My grandfather was a .30 cal machine gunner at pork chop hill, his assistant gunner was KIA there.
Thank you for your service GI.
Thank you for your service ❤️
It's called a spoon, troops are taught to hold the entire grenade spoon and all. The ignition doesn't start until the spoon is released. When outside of a close target, you can release the spoon and count 2 and toss it in a window so there is no time for them to throw back
Old timer too cool with the "cut loose"
Thank you Sir for your service
Thank you for your service ❤🤘🫡🇺🇸💯💪🙏
Thank you for your Service Sir, God Bless You 🇺🇸❤
The newer grenades have a five second fuse, and I know there were guys that would "Cook" them for a couple of seconds so they couldn't be tossed back.
One of the tricks some guys would do, is replace the fuses with smokers (smoke grenades) that have an instantaneous fuse, then they would leave them for the Cong to find, they would pull the pin, toss it, and as soon as the spoon flew, they would get a face full of fragments.
If the grenade goes off next to your head you're gonna have one heck of a headache for a fraction of a second!
I’m not sure that you will have time for a headache !
@@chrisbraid2907 It will be a VERY brief headache.
I love it when John Wayne uses hand grenades
Problem with grenade throwing is if you try to lob it not with a baseball throw, but with arm extended and swing it in a large arc. Releasing it too soon has it coming right back down into your shirt pocket. New grenades have a much shorter fuse. Sergeants told us not to expect them to jump on it to save their necks.
Hell nah, you know joe dimaggio was out there spamming crow hops at 200 yards.
He was in the airforce and spent most of ww2 getting drunk on the beach in Hawaii lol
Rumor has it that’s where sidearm pitching in baseball comes from.
“Once the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend”
Gof Bless You Sir & Thank You for Your Service
Thank You for your service Sir. Also Thank You for the Grenade advice.
I was a Marine infantryman. Did three combat deployments to Iraq (including the initial invasion in 2003). We were taught a trick when throwing an M67 fragmentation gren@de into a structure… you throw it as hard as you can against the wall that you can see (using caution that it stays in the structure). The intent of the throw is to get that gren@de to “bounce around” in the room… so that a defender inside of the structure has to “chase” it if they intend to throw it back outside. It’s a safer way than trying to “milk” or hold the little dev1l with an active fuse burning. I once set a gren@de on an insurgent pinned down in a rubbled building. He could not move. When I set the M67 on his exposed leg and rear… I started running to take cover around the building and my LT’s pistol cam out of the leg holster he had given me to wear and it was Yo yo corded onto the holster… so I had this loaded weapon flopping in the rubble chasing me as I ran. I was almost as scared of being sh0t with my own weapon as getting hit with shrapnel from the gren@de. Memories… lol.
In Korea, the U.S. typically fought from hilltops. So it makes sense he’d be under handing it down the hill to be accurate with his throw. The arc of an Overhand throw would be useless due to the elevation drop. It would be detonating wayyyy over OPFOR’s heads
When he says "clip", he's referring to the spoon of the grenade for anyone confused.
Thank you so very much for your Courageous Service Sir !!!!
I had a buddy in high school who signed up, with a parent waiver, for the Army at 17. He turned 18 in basic. He said he almost failed basic because of the grenade throw! Said they taught them to do it kind of side armed cause if you tried it straight overhead like a long baseball throw you could hit the doorway/ceiling right next to you and the grenade falls at your feet. This was around 2007/2008.
I only cleared a few compounds in Afghanistan but I found that the Push/shove type throw for distance, under hand through doors is the safest
I believe he means the ark of the grenade on target, he was also in Korea with jungles. Basically he would time it where the grenade would hit then explode as close to when it lands so the enemy dont have much time to move away from it.
Yeah the fuse doesn't start until the clip or "spoon" (as it is sometimes called) comes off. You can pull the pin and hold it all you want or even put the pin back in, the reaction doesn't start till the spoon detaches.
Good Advice
In my time in the Army we tended to throw overhand if we needed distance (do not release the spoon until you release the grenade), for clearing rooms the side toss eas often the way to go and if you needed an intermediate range softball throw. Different throws for different things and releasing the spoon at the right time was trained into us way before we ever needed to throw an actual grenade at an actual target...we rarely had issues outside of training but did have several people throw the pin and drop the grenade on live fire days...some people just let their fear overwhelm them...
We were taught to pull the pin with the left hand and throw the grenade with the right hand in a arching rainbow like motion
how do people not understand what he was saying? he just replaced 'spoon' with 'clip', but he never said anything about the pin being what starts the fuze.
My man has that Mitch McConnell stare
I’d disagree. When I was in basic in ‘73, we all threw overhand. I decided to do with the grenade what we always did with fire crackers, get it to explode in the air. I almost made it. My buddy, watching from the bunker, said it exploded as soon as it hit the ground. In retrospect, a good airburst could have sent shrapnel over the berm those throwing were behind.
Got it sir! Thankyou for your sacrifice
“Fuze” 😂 come on, y’all. Proofread those captions.
Great site for vets to chat a bit
Remember though pulling out your secondary is faster than cooking your grenade
I was taught in basic training to hold the grenade in my Right hand and pull the pin with my left hand, and aim my left in the direction I want to throw the grenade but overhead.
We were taught to pull the pin, release the spoon, count, throw over hand from your fox hole, throw it hard against the floor if thrown in a room. USMC 83-87
Chucking it hard against the floor (if concrete) makes 100% sense given that thing is going to bounce like a super ball. No way opfor has time to get squirrelly with it.
Then everyone from COD players to actual harbingers of death argue over the best way to deliver the explosive.
The answer is by reaper drone