@@MegaDman16She wasn’t even really defeated by them either. They knew they couldn’t actually defeat her so they removed her from the battlefield and environmental hazards did the rest.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 She's also never been defeated either. She's also never finished a fight. Luffy ran in Wholecake Bege ran The Rooftop was split up by The Supernova Explosions sent her flying off Onigashima There's no fight that she's had actually gone to completion with someone getting defeated.
I mean, she didn't use basic haki coating or conqueror coating in fighting kid n law (like her did to ulti) or spam ikoku sovereignty (also easily avoided by kid n law) or burn entire onighashima with promotheus... idk why she can't do that for some reason..even momo can pull the entire onigashima
She did absolutely nothing to gain respect other than hold the title of Yonko….. She was more trash than Katakuri and Perospero. For a yonko does Big mom even have any Ws other than Brook?????
She was going all out vs Law and Kid by sacrificing 1 year of her life and stole souls of Beast pirates, it wasn't 1 v 2 since she needed extra souls for Law and Kid, also Law and Kid got power up similar to Zoro and Sanji got.
@@timurjack8773”it wasnt 1v2” is like saying she should have not used her ability so we could gauge her power level. Like bro almost every single battle she probably fought was in the presence of other souls.
@@timurjack8773imagine saying a character is weak cause they used their power. In that case every single character is weak. Luffy is weak for using g5 then
Severely injured and exhausted Luffy who was using gear 5 for the first time, and was messing around. Didn't even bother to dodge a single attack from Kaido(it's clear that Kizaru faster than Kaido), One shots Kaido's strongest flame form. Luffy is above yonko level currently.
@rashedujjamanridoy6862 kaido had fought everyone with no break or rest while luffy had several. Current luffy to me is still weaker then Kaito shanks and black beard
Luffy also fought thousands of kaidos crew, tobi roppo, etc. Kaido vs Luffy fight was EVEN. They were both extremely exhausted except kaido didnt 'die' 2 times, but luffy did. I would even go so far as saying luffy was way more exhausted than Kaido and still won. Gear 5 beats Kaido even if both were at full strength@cortezallen1084
I'm happy with the general trend of yonko > admiral but I think people are taking this way out of proportion. 1. We already see that Kizaru would not loose to any of the other gears other than gear 5 so Luffy literally has to go his strongest form to beat him. - Gear 5 itself is debateably stronger than any of the other yonko but just has trash stamina. 2. Kizaru vs Luffy already happened and both went down. People are now trying to use a full health Luffy vs a round 2 Kizaru with no breaks. What's worse is that Kizaru has already taken 2 hits now from Luffy when he wasn't concentrated on him and we already know Kizaru is not an endurance beast. 3. It's genuinely absurd to say that 3 admiral are loosing to 1 yonko at this point. Saturn would have gotten the kill on Luffy if Franky didn't move him. Maybe it would be possible if Luffy had infinite gear 5 stamina but as it stands, Luffy is shown relative to the admiral with gears 1-4 and comfortably able to deal with one in gear 5. Add two more and it's simply over for him.
@@millionshadesofdarkness2165 Lmao luffy was fresh after he ate. He died twice and was KO 3times before that on the roof alone. G5 is strong but don't sit up and think luffy is now leagues above in a rematch it's high diff still😂😂
well, these guys also think zoro and sanji cant 2v1 an admiral, despite being yonkou commanders. think akainu is 50 tiers above the other admirals. and HONESTLY thought kizaru was gonna 1v2 kaido and big mom that chapter week he said it. my point is, the agenda is so strong with them that they cant see the way oda is writing people to be relative, because they already spent time talking stupid in the past with bad takes, so they gotta double down
Big Mom has the battle IQ of a toddler. How many times did she "defeat" Kid and Law, and turn her back to them, only for them to get up and sneak her from behind? She's supposed to be a veteran pirate, but she literally acts like an idiot 99% of the time. That's why her feats are often overlooked and seem underwhelming when compared to someone like Kaido.
I have to agree. As much as I love Big Mom, that is a major drawback of hers. If she had battle IQ similar to Kaido, she’d be even more of a problem than she already is, and would get way more respect from the community
So did kaido though? They both acted like idiots and fought to their opponents level, not the level they can usually fight at. Kaido took hits he didn’t have to, played games, didn’t use his full strength and all that. He’s stronger because he’s a fxckin monster. Not because big mom is dumber
Big mom in the rocks days seemed way more competent. Back then kaido was the bruiser and she seemed like the more strategic of the two. Maybe the soul fruit accelerates cognitive decline lol
@@turnwaiter I’ll be honest I think success beat them. There was nobody she struggled yo fight after the rocks pirates. It doesn’t look like her and kaido were sparring often.
Beat yes, wash probably no... Kaido did say that Haki is really important, Roger conquered Grand Line no devil fruit powers, and Haki can negate the Devil Fruits effects like Law did against Doc. Q devil fruit effects... So if Big Mom have stronger Haki and utilise her Devil Fruit power well, so may not beaten easily... But Luffy will beat Big Mom...
@@jpraise6771 yet one of them got his entire crew one tapped by a real yonko and the other got completely overwhelmed by a real yonko….. can’t be that good Big Mom is just trash. I don’t get it I really don’t. Why do you people have such a hard time calling it for what it is? Is it because you think it reflects on Odas writing? It was bad writing it’s okay it happens to the best. IQ is part of battle and Big Mom has the worst IQ of literally everyone we’ve seen. She has no decent wins. Her best win is against one of the weaker strawhats in Brook. Let’s just be honest Big Mom is GARBAGE! Katakuri and Perospero did the Big mom pirates name more justice than she ever did and that’s just a fact!
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 Maybe cause She didn't even use armament against them until the very end much less acoc. Lmfao she low diffed queen in base form.
3:45 bro WHAT. Did he not see luffy gas himself just to draw and also go down with kizaru the first time? Imagine if fuji and greenbull were also there lmfao
All ya’ll who agree that gear 5 is having an easy time with ANY yonko or admiral (except buggy) are certified and undignified, clowns. “Big mom is not beating an admiral” KOL what kind of creatures do you allow in your streams??
If that was the case big mom would not be a YONKO. They would’ve been arrested her. A YONKO is a world power with a lot of influence, you can’t say the same about an admiral. The only reason they’re trying to take luffy out s because he’s NEW and hasn’t matured into his self yet.
@@rubedog516"you can’t say the same about an admiral" You can. The admiral is the actually dangerous part of a buster call. Which protects the celestial dragons. And basically every pirate character in the series doesn't have a good relationship with the celestial dragons. The fact that celestial dragons aren't just being killed off left and right is a showcase of the world power & influence admirals have. In the same way that islands protected by Yonkos aren't constantly under attack. That said, I think the only reason they're trying to take out Luffy right now is because of Vegapunk's knowledge. I don't think they would choose a direct conflict like this in any other scenario against any other Yonko. But if it was Shanks, Black Beard, Big Mom, or Kaido here at Egg Head, I think they would still be trying to kill Vegapunk and destroy Egg Head.
@@Microtardz There are people ABOVE admiral level. When it comes to pirate leveling YONKOS are considered to be the strongest forces unless your the king of the pirates. Hence why I say just regular Admirals are not on the same level as a YONKO. Luffy proved that in the latest Manga chapter. But I can agree with your statement about why they’re taking the risk of fighting Luffy.
I think people are not understanding that Luffy is different. The Gorosei was okay with angering Kaido, meaning they believed they could handle Kaido. But Luffy is just on a different level because of the Nika fruit. He isn't just a Yonko, he's the pirate king. More then that he is the man who will bring the dawn of the world.
One piece fans - Egghead will be short informative arc just like zou Meanwhile egghead- Vegapunk reveal Law vs BB Luffy vs luccy rematch Zoro vs kaku Stussy reveal Shanks s territory reveal Shanks vs Kid ( not a fight, tital humiliation of kid ) Garp using named attacks Garps past Garp vs aokiji Kobys named attack
All of these are insane already but Oda kept on cooking Gorosei power reveal Gorosei, imu vs Sabo Bonneys past Kumas backstory 😢 Saturn and kizarus arrival in egghead Luffy vs Kizaru Zoro vs luccy God valley flashback Rocks vs Roger pirates vs Garp & the holly knights ( tff😭) Ancient robot and kingdom lore Giant pirates and reunion with Dorry & Broggy Vegapunk bouta spill the beans Caribou arc finally paying off Devon copying a gorosei (possibly Luffy too) Lulusia being erased Sabo situation Cobra death Vivi with Big News Morgan Luffy vs kizaru and saint saturn at the same time Luffy clapped both Then saturn summons other elders....broo🥹😭🤯 Oda sensei cooking skills are unmatchable, like what tf is going on...
To be fair people using the "Shanks stunned an admiral using Haki" I don't think any other admiral is getting shook like that be it Aokiji, Kizaru, and definitely not Akainu, probably not Fujitora either... Due to Greenbulls mentality of wanting praise from Sakazuki like a child, he's clearly still wet behind the ears, a powerhouse? probably, cocky? absolutely we saw that with king and queen's interaction but is he confident in combating a yonko himself? Absolutely not. He said as much when he faced momo in his dragon form and stated "If kaido was still around I wouldn't be here."
@@tunnelvision7906 See I don't think so, fujitora is much older and battler hardened where as although Greenbull was also recruited in the draft to fill the admirals positions he's young and seemingly has much less combat experience then the other admirals despite being strong himself I just don't see that same mental fortitude that the other admirals have in him.
2 things. First i feel we still gotta put an asterisk next to admirals since we never seen them go all out. I didn't believe post wano a admiral was stronger than luffy but c'mon Kizaru is obviously plot wise conflicted. And we stilll haven't seen how nasty a logia awakening is.. Secondly I feel folks overlook the Purposeful L's Oda made big mom take. He obviously didn't wanna showcase her full power & competence yet..
Nah I think it was there to showcase that Luffy is indeed a threat versus Kaido at that point because he knew Ryuo and shouldn't be taken lightly because both kaido and big mom underestimated him. But Luffy at that point didn't unlock conqueror's coating so Big Mom was still stronger. I might even say that Big mom was stronger even when Luffy did unlock it, I think Luffy surpassed her when he awoke to Gear 5
Gear 5 Luffy is the strongest in the series, period. Only thing that I can see him improve upon from now until the end of the show is his stamina, and that will make him surpass Roger. He's basically tanked everything in Gear 5, made clowns out of a Gorosei, Admiral and Kaido and people still doubt his strength. Narratively it also doesn't make sense for Luffy to get another form to fight Imu or whoever is the final boss, since this form is what Oda has been working towards the entire story. So the only thing that he could work on is the stamina issue, and at that point he'll have surpassed everyone in the history of the show.
Big mom has barely shown her strongest haki; every time she fights on screen she is nerfed. She didn’t even use advanced conquerors against kidd and law. I’d say it would be extreme diff still for luffy vs big mom
@@Onepiecelegendaire blatantly wrong. Big mom is compared to kaido in strength numerous times. She has advanced conquerors just like kaido and is covered in it just like kaido. So at bare minimum it would be high to extreme diff because she had durability comparable to kaido.
@@acedaboss3785 she's equal to base Kaido. Kaido has a hybrid and then awakened hybrid to be much stronger. Hybrid Kaido got ragdolled by Base Luffy. Same would happens to Big Mom.
@@Onepiecelegendaire the fact that you said awakened kaido means youre wrong already. kaido was never confirmed to be awakened. Hybrid kaido didn’t get refilled by base luffy either; hybrid kaido forced gear 5 luffy to stop laughing and get serious so obviously the much weaker form of luffy isn’t beating him. Big mom has durability and AP comparable to kaido.
@@acedaboss3785what do you mean? Kaido has hybrid form make him stronger. Kaido was more impressive than big mom. Even zoro and luffy was more impressive than big mom in onigashima. She is trash
People keep talking about how roughed up by battle Kaido was, but will completely overlook the even worse beatings Luffy had taken up until that point. Kaido had taken damage from the supernovas and the scabbards, but Luffy sustained all of his damage from two Yonko. These two beatings are not comparable in the slightest. He was straight up knocked out multiple times, and would’ve died had his fruit not awakened. He managed to defeat Kaido despite being almost completely drained of energy, and riddled with what should have been mortal wounds. He went from top yonko commander level to quite literally man handling Kaido within the span of a few hours. Luffy’s attack potency is outrageous, and is why Oda is throwing enemies with top tier regeneration at him. He claps anyone under Yonko level unless they have hax abilities like the Gorosei.
@@johnrebelet5754 If Kaido was the strongest, and Luffy beat Kaido, then yeah, Luffy is the strongest. He could be top 1 until we see what BB, Shanks and Imu are capable of.
@@johnrebelet5754 uh yes he did. tell me who besides luffy actually did significant damage to Kaido? Zoro, yes he left a scar but that's it. The Scabbards? Kaido was in his base form and drank sake after clapping them cheeks Supernovas? Kid, Law, Killer? only superficial damages, miniscule really. Yamato? All I see is daddy's girl was getting the belts because she threw tantrums. Do you see this what I'm talking about? All them side characters did almost to nothing against Kaido. The one who truly damaged Kaido was Luffy (zoro only once). So it's fair to say Luffy really did 1v1 Kaido Now granted, Kaido was also lifting an island while fighting... I give you that.
Big Meme is the clown for getting actually *clowned* by Mid Tiers multiple times The characters in the story disrespected her, so why should? Post-Wano Midd (now stronger) got oneshotted by Shanks but in Wano he was eating punches from BM like it's no big deal.
@@RocksDXebec223 Not my problem her arsenal is garbage. BM also used her sword infused with her Homies, multiple times, and she didn't oneshot anybody. Not even Jinbe
honestly people often misunderstand the advantage of being 2 v 1 with Law and Kid vs Big Mom. if Law have 5 lives and fighting Big Mom alone back to back each time Big Mom killed Law, he would never win, and so did Kid.
Severely injured and exhausted Luffy who was using gear 5 for the first time, and was messing around. Didn't even bother to dodge a single attack from Kaido(it's clear that Kizaru faster than Kaido), One shots Kaido's strongest flame form. Luffy is above yonko level currently.
Fax but I have a question why do people underrate oden(in the anime they do him dirty) but if u read the manga Kaido was so desperate to live he sneak attack oden when he was asleep. We always see Kaido honor his opponents except for this time because he knew he was gonna lose
@@Ligmapigga Kaido was struggling to get up and down was distracted because his son was being held at knife point.(same thing that happened with garp and luffy) which allowed Kaido to hit him with a normal attack doing serious damage
Presumably because it's an unquantifiable boost of power that we can't actually prove gives them any more ways to beat a Yonko. But that's just my guess
That fake weakness powered only by plot convince? Gear weaknesses don't last for more than 2 arcs so this most likely won't exist after this arc or if it does Oda just has to magically summon food for Luffy that he doesn't even have to explain it until 50 chapters later.
I fuckin hate hearing so much big mom downplay and disrespect she does a couple goofy things bc she is a fun character and then people just go blind apparently when she has some of the best showing in the entire series. Big mom is a freak of nature and can literally hang in a fight with ANYBODY in one piece past or present nobody could win against her without taking serious damage not even Roger or Shanks.
@@vascoshot3879luffy didn’t use Adv conquers in snake man when he fought kizaru! But i agree! He will need gear 5th to even stand a chance of beating big mom
rock, paper, scissors, my friends. just cos someone beats another, doesnt mean that the person isnt stronger than someone who would of beaten the person who won the previous fight.
Kidd didn't use it either to break her arm but he still injured her severely BM apologists making their own excuses when she was objectively fighting for her life, going all out and using her entire arsenal
Using too much Haki tires people. BM already sacrificed 1 year of her life and stole the souls of Beast pirates to power up, why she shouldn't use Conqueror haki? They said she did when people thought Usopp used conqueror haki it was Big mom
We know that G5 Luffy is incredibly strong. He's working Kizaru and Saturn pretty handedly right now. That said if you put full health Luffy against a full health Kaido, he's still losing that fight. Kaido is a fucking monster. He beat Luffy 3 times during the raid, he fought a total of 15 relatively strong people in rapid succession with zero breaks, all of this while floating a massive island the entire time. And even after ALL of that, Kaido was still boxing with Luffy in G5 to a fight he would've won had he just dodged instead of trying to tank. I know there's a handful of people like KOL who think Big Mom > Kaido (lul), but she's not that insanely far off from him. The only factor that could possibly play a part in Big Mom losing is her age, which doesn't seem to be an issue for her like it was for Whitebeard. She's more physically tanky than Kaido, her destructive capability is in the same ballpark as Kaido's Blast Breath with her Ikoku Sovereignty, her DF is insanely busted with a ton of application, she has insane speed and movement options with her homies.
Luffy is more capable of dodging any attack than Kaido as we've seen countless times since his power-up, starting with his clash with Kaido. And even when he's not dodging, he's laughing and being a fool. He's at a different level until otherwise shown, right now.
Bro, lemme discuss with you any one piece power scaling topic. I'll show how real power scaling works. It has even a different language. I've had 10-20k debates. Where do I connect?
From everything we've seen of Big Mom most of her kit is useless against G5 Luffy. Kaido put on more of show when it came to hand to hand combat and I think that's the only reason he was able to hang with Luffy at that point. I just can't see Big Mom zipping around and keeping up with Luffy like Kaido in his hybrid form Edit: I think it's clear Oda WANTS Kaido and Big Mom to be portrayed as equals with how he had them clash, but other than that she doesn't even look like she could hang like that beyond that scene. Luffy vs Kaido is a battle between fruits AND haki while Big Mom vs Kidd and Law was more of a show of devil fruits.
Big mom never used her advance haki vs law and kid but did once on Page1. Kaido mentions haki rules all it could be a personal philosophy thing where certain yonkos use haki to different extents but they all have advance haki.
G5 Luffy could even do somethin wacky or crazy to Prometheus - eating him like cotton candy or throwing him like a baseball/shot putting him far away making Big Mom FAR less mobile
Big Mom didn’t really get beaten in a conventional sense though. She lost to a ring-out. It’s not like they smoked her boots and she was stiff on the floor with no socks. I know y’all played Soul Calibur and got washed one round by your little cousin because he cheesed you off the stage. 😭
people need to realize that big mom and kaido were portrayed as near equals every single time they were on screen together 😭 anybody who’s got her beneath a SINGLE admiral isn’t reading one piece
I look forward for the other Five Elders of their demon looking Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit forms and their combat capabilities against Gear 5 Luffy on Egghead Island.
There's a clean difference between bajrang gun and puncture Willy , puncture Willy was for making a hole to the magma chamber which didn't ko bigmom while luffy's bajrang gun made a hole by ko ing kaido.
We kinda did vs kizaru. It's implied g5 ran out before offscreen then luffy pumped his heart again and we saw that Punch that had kizaru on his back. I hate oda offscreen most of that fight cause luffy showed signs of being exhausted bro was a raisin till he got food 😂😂
They really slandering Big Mom's name. She lost due to ring out. She tanked both their strongest combined attacks and would have slaughtered them if she hadn't been pushed into a hole. If she could fly like Kaido or had a homie, then it would be a wrap. She is as old as whiteboard and can still literally walk through the Earth. Stop this please
Bro luffy is keeping up and hitting kizaru a man that is made of light and this is the start of the final sage of one piece luffy end of series is going too be busted as hell it pretty much has infinite potential too be even more powerful then roger and rockes and garp combined thats insane too think of but the fact its a possibility it is crazy
3 admirals to defeat a single yonko is the most insane power scaling I've ever heard. Match ups matter. Might as well say it takes 3 Garps to defeat 1 Roger with that logic.
Admirals being lowballed again because of Luffys new style. Did we forget Luffy turned Kaido into a jump rope, it doesnt mean 2 Kaidos cant beat Luffy its just current Luffys style makes his opponents look bad, same idea with Admirals.
People seem to forget that Kaido respected big mom enough to 1. Be on the same crew and fight alongside each other 2. Fight each other in the past regularly and IMO I feel they had a more "friendly rival" relationship 3. Ask big mom to be in an alliance to take down the world government.. So I have a feeling Kiado held big mom in high regard, at least to himself. Maybe not outwardly. And we saw how much of a monster he is to take on all he did at the time. But Laws fruit is just.. broken lol.. kinda. So she was beat by Law and Kidd. Amd people say she's trash??? I'm not saying she's exactly equal to Kiado, but she has to be close when she has this amount of respect from Kiado.. you can't deny that..
I’m glad Kol has the reason to see the value in someone like Kid or Big Mom, I don’t think it’s that hard to see what Oda is portraying, the disrespect has been crazy for those characters.
Bro oda plans to make luffy the goat, he could have not given luffy a devil fruit and his peak would have just been roger. But the fact he gave luffy joyboys fruit means he gonna surpass even him.
Bro luffy is the strongest of the yanko so far only one the only one im not sure of is shanks cuz we ain't seen him in full action but im pretty sure luffy stronger than him too
Also i can't take this big mom slander, People forget there's a major difference with how Big Mom was defeated Vs Kaido, Kaido was in a drawn out fight and was eventually beaten... ACTUALLY BEATEN to the point of not being able to transform or move where as although Big mom was injured by kid and law, she was sent flying through a hole in the ground and was silenced by Law's (Corazon mimic'd move) To where she couldn't call apon her homies to rescue her. HAD big mom been on flat ground and not cheated by being sent through a hole in the ground and had her voice silenced there's not a doubt in my mind that Kid and law lose that fight
the whole one piece power scale community (and jjk too tbh) has just turned into a favorite character contest where whole parts of the story get ignored bc u like someone more than someone else
The other guys missed the whole point..... Big mom lost due to plot but Kid/Law are close to/Admiral level tier fighters. To defeat most Yonko (buggy excluded) it likely take 2/3 admiral level characters at minimum to win Extreme high diff fight with a Yonko. That also doesn't include prime Kaido/Whiteboard & Shanks due to what the Admiral GB implied about Why they never went into Wano and what Shanks already did to him....
in an SBS I think Oda said if Akainu was the MC, he would find the one piece in 1-2 years or something like that... naturally that means he will be able to take on the yonkou
It’s funny because back in 2017 or so when whole cake was out I was advocating for weak mom since we had evidence for that in the arc leading up to the weeding crash, and people thought I was crazy. Now look at all the OPtubers now 😂
The Big Mom disrespect is going on for quite some and it's really starting to get irritating, despite all the things she's shown. People keeps on. Makes me think they have something against a ŵoman being this powerfull.
I personally still have Big Mom over Luffy across a number of different criteria: 1) Political strategy Big Mom understands the value of building a strong pirate family which is shown by her commitment to political marriages; she's able to develop her extended power base by integrating with other established powers e.g. Germa 66 by marrying into those institutions. She's very capable of seeing the bigger picture and growing her strength through allegiances. The size of her domain is a testament to this as well as the diversity of races she is able to command through her children and their families. 2) Quality advisors Perspero and Katakuri are excellent military minds who have a great talent for mitigating risks before they manifest as well as neutralising threats. Katakuri's Future Sight quite literally prevents assassination attempts as shown in the cannon material which gives Big Mom a significant edge over most of her competition. 3) Raw power, Devil Fruit Abilities The Soul Soul fruit to me is one of the most broken fruits in the series as Big Mom can essentially extend her life force at will; she also has the moral flexibility to absorb life force from her own family members when in a rage. Furthermore, she can create an endless army of minions by distributing her life force into inanimate objects when needed. In a 1 v 1 situation you could imagine Big Mom wearing Luffy down by attrition by sending endless volleys of homies to wilt his energy and force Luffy to tire out. Big Mom's physical durability is already well established; I think she's arguably equal to if not greater than Kaido in terms of her ability to absorb damage and carry on. It must be stated, Big Mom wasn't defeated through submission or murder: she was knocked 'out of the arena' so to speak but we all know she is very likely not dead. I think the fact we are confident she'll make a return also puts her over Kaido as it's more or less understood Kaido is out of the game now. 4) Intelligence Big Mom has extensive knowledge of Poneyglyphs, races within the One Piece Universe as well as Devil Fruits. It was Big Mom who gave Kaido his devil fruit - one of the most rare and powerful fruits in the series. That intricate knowledge shows she is a student of the One Piece Universe and has insights which Luffy is yet to demonstrate. She also sees the military value of the giants having stated that 'if she had an allegiance with the Giants she would've been Pirate King long ago'. 5) Conclusion At present, Big Mom to me second in the verse behind Shanks. BlackBeard is quickly rising and because of his Yami Yami No Mi is a great candidate to overcome Big Mom as he can neutralise the Soul Soul Fruit but until BlackBeard is shown defeating a Yonkou confidently he is still beneath Big Mom to me. Luffy is great but if we had Big Mom vs Luffy in a 1 vs 1 Big Mom will beat Luffy. Any other outcome is plot armour.
Gear 5 ruined any and all power scaling in one piece. Idk what Oda was thinking. How did we go from the seriousness of Luffy vs Doflamingo, Lucci, Katakuri, Crocodile to Luffy being a literal looney tune laughing and joking in the most serious of moments. Dumbest manga/anime decision of all time
Ofc it's an opinion, but I disagree despite getting where you come from, here is why. Luffy isn't incapable of being serious in G5. What gear 5 does to one piece essentially is reinforce what's already there making one piece even more one piece, let me explain. Luffy used to joke around in fights since a long time ago, he is a goofy guy but he does have his serious side which comes in a lot of the fights. Now, in gear 5 assuming Luffy was serious, it puts him in a high mode and reinforces that goofy side undoing the seriousness for a time until he becomes serious again for example when he became serious he immediately did bajrang gun and defeated kaido.
Many times in the past things like this has happened before gear5. Remember doflamingo vs gear4. Doffy was making fun of luffy bouncing around constantly. Luffy biting Arlong. There’s been many times where luffy hasn’t been that series in a fight.
If you got king of lightning, THE shanks glazer, defending admirals against shanks glaze, you know damn well whatever your saying gotta be bullshit because there aint no way you got KOL defending against glaze for his glorious king
Saying big mom is on luffy lvl now is crazy SAYING KIZURA LOSE TO KID AND LAW IS INSANE KIZURA IS TAKING STRONG AS G5 LUFFY ATTACKS WHILE CONFLICTED AND STILL GETTING UP saying law and kidd beats a Luffy is absolutely insane
Maybe there is a "Dark Nika" fruit that can counter Luffy's Gear 5, because it's not only the amount of power he has, but also the nature of it... toon force is basically like god mode in a sense that he can do whatever he can imagine. If there is some kind of "Dark Nika" fruit it could be what you have described in a previous video, a fusion of Blackbeard's Darkness fruit with Emu. 🤔
Also I like kid. A guy scared of no one is a great friend even if he knows he would lose. That's called not being a lil bitch, and irl that's your most loyal homie. Look how he rides for killer. He's like the bakugo of one piece. He's to be the vegeta of the show, he's just not on that power level yet. Also Ben Beckmann would have wiped the floor with kizaru at marineford so all the admirals aren't at first commander level.
I swear, OP fans are wild sometimes. In what universe is Big Mom below an Admiral?? They also disrespect Kid, and while I think he's one of the most BORING supernova, I think it's wild that they would consider him below ZORO. I'm glad KoL is standing up for these downplayed characters lmao. "Zoro and Sanji can 2v1 any Admiral" has me dying. ZORO is strong and has incredible killing force, but the d-riding has to stop. He beat King. King isn't anywhere near the Admirals. Greenbull is relative to Fujitora and Kizaru--end of story. Zoro is stalemating a character that Gear 5 Luffy defeated with 3 moves while clearly holding back his strongest attacks. Kid was still able to damage Kaido by literally throwing and punching him. He's strong whether people want to believe it or not. Law gave a good fight to Blackbeard, who in turn is PROBABLY (speculation, so you can clock me for this) stronger than Kuzan. And he also has the ability to damage Kaido (despite Haki's effectiveness against Devil Fruits being a factor). Despite this, Big Mom was 1v2ing them, and it took everything they had just to get her off the battlefield. Disregarding the bombs + volcano eruption, we all know Big Mom would've been fine, just unable to get back to the fight since she'd need a homie to fly her back up there, and Law disabled her ability to give commands. We don't even know if Big Mom was killed by the volcano, and it would make sense for her to appear at Elbaf for revenge against Kid and the Strawhats. Point is, Big Mom > Law and Kid COMBINED > Law, who could do battle against Blackbeard.
I think he's down playing big mom because of Kid and Law beat her. First of all he broke big moms with a ton of metal with magnetic force. It's impressive it only just in broke her arm. Considering that's normal flush, she doesn't have a healing Factor like Luffy and Kaido. You got to be careful about what you use against you. Law Powers can't be grab. Think of the nightmare of Big Mom could put her soul in Law Room. Kid is using metal so it's kind of useless against him. Is she fights a Akainu she could use his own Lava against him.
What healing factors do luffy and kaido have??? Its literally the opposite.. big mom could heal herself because of her powers, but luffy and kaido dont have that.. they are just insanely durable and have incredible endurance. Just because they have been fighting for a long time doesnt mean they are constantly healing themselves..
Kidd and Law were vastly stronger against BM than when they fought on Rooftop. Their awakened techniques have far more AP/DC, and somehow their defense became insane. Damned Punk and Puncture Willie were top tier attacks that would rip through any other being besides Kaido and BM, and Linlin tanked them in quick succession (1 PW and 2 shots of Damned Punk) + a bomb blast to the face, without getting KO'd. Big Mom is narratively among the strongest beings in the series, so she very much scales to the other yonkou. As a kid, she could already terrorize a whole village of giants, and she could hold her own against Kaido However, she's the kind of character that is always just as impressive as the story needs them to be. Conceptually, she could fight Shanks or any admiral, if the story needed her to. On the other hand, she could be ridiculed even by Franky and Robin if the story needed them to get out of her clutches. That's just how she was written. But at the core, BM is supposed to be a menace. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow managed to put up a good fight against even G5.
Bro after seeing what they did on punk hazard why do people still think Akainu went ALL OUT in Marineford? We didn’t see and changing to the surroundings at Marineford. Logia’s with destructive capabilities like Akainu and Aokiji can not go all out when surrounded by allies. He’ll even Fuji can’t go all out around his allies. Sengoku had a grip on the proverbial balls of that war. He was not going to let the Admirals fully off leash, he didn’t even let Garp fight because he was afraid of casualties, and we saw the destructive power of Garp. Akainu is definitely yonko level for sure his personality and temperament won’t let him be any weaker. You say he’s a pencil pusher but we saw how Garp got so strong he just punched ships Akainu can still train and be a pencil pusher.
Ok, I just wanna say this: The yonkos are NOT necessarily JUST better than the admirals... IT literally MATTERS what admirals we're talking about.... That's it. All admirals aren't cut from the same cloth. No yonko is gonna be able to jolust get rid of an admiral like that....
Big mom is like when you buy a max level character with all the best gear in the game but don't know how to play it.
More like a final boss thats been heavily nerfed when you unlock it.
@@Emperiiiumna that other guy was more accurate
Shanks saved greenbull. The strawhats + Law + Kid + Yamato + Retainers lol. Bro would have gotten folded.
What are Yamato & the scabbards doing in this scenario? 😂😂😂
Yamato will crush him, i believe, albeit it might be high-extreme difficulty.
@@begundal8379 she's literally did no damage to him 😂
@@Kenzo411able Yamato didn't even go hybrid form lol.
@@goldcreeper7376 Yamato was in base form lol.
Another thing that you left out kol was that big mom didn't even use advanced conq against kid and law meaning oda had to nerf her for them to win
Gear 5 Luffy is gonna make Pizzas out of his enemies now.
Carried by Nika
@ochenGsUp wtf does this mean?
Are you undermining Luffy bu saying its all Nika. 😂
All OP fans will cope in there own wat I guess.
All the different elements of Bink's Sake.
@@ochenGsUp he carries nika with haki
@@ochenGsUpcarried by his own abilities? aight lmao good bait
Saying Big Mom loses to an admiral shows a detachment from reality frfr
Losing to Kid and Law really damaged her reputation.
@@MegaDman16She wasn’t even really defeated by them either. They knew they couldn’t actually defeat her so they removed her from the battlefield and environmental hazards did the rest.
Not really….. her only win is against Brook.
Same people slandering her now will go mute and switch up during and after Elbaf, if predictions about that arc come true.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 She's also never been defeated either. She's also never finished a fight.
Luffy ran in Wholecake
Bege ran
The Rooftop was split up by The Supernova
Explosions sent her flying off Onigashima
There's no fight that she's had actually gone to completion with someone getting defeated.
The Big Mom disrespect needs to stop.
She literally cooking rn
@@sasuke851so is ur goat
I mean, she didn't use basic haki coating or conqueror coating in fighting kid n law (like her did to ulti) or spam ikoku sovereignty (also easily avoided by kid n law) or burn entire onighashima with promotheus... idk why she can't do that for some reason..even momo can pull the entire onigashima
She did absolutely nothing to gain respect other than hold the title of Yonko…..
She was more trash than Katakuri and Perospero. For a yonko does Big mom even have any Ws other than Brook?????
Luffy Disrespect Needs to Stop. Big Mom or any other Yonko is simply not on his lvl.
To be fair, Law had to cancel out Mom's devil fruit power just to give Kid enough time to push her out of the island.
She was going all out vs Law and Kid by sacrificing 1 year of her life and stole souls of Beast pirates, it wasn't 1 v 2 since she needed extra souls for Law and Kid, also Law and Kid got power up similar to Zoro and Sanji got.
@@timurjack8773it was 1v2 because thats her ability, we saw her in full power on whole cake, she never even used conq vs law and kid
@@timurjack8773”it wasnt 1v2” is like saying she should have not used her ability so we could gauge her power level. Like bro almost every single battle she probably fought was in the presence of other souls.
@@timurjack8773imagine saying a character is weak cause they used their power. In that case every single character is weak. Luffy is weak for using g5 then
I think he does. Kaido was next level.
Severely injured and exhausted Luffy who was using gear 5 for the first time, and was messing around. Didn't even bother to dodge a single attack from Kaido(it's clear that Kizaru faster than Kaido), One shots Kaido's strongest flame form. Luffy is above yonko level currently.
@@rashedujjamanridoy6862false bubba
@rashedujjamanridoy6862 kaido had fought everyone with no break or rest while luffy had several. Current luffy to me is still weaker then Kaito shanks and black beard
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Luffy also fought thousands of kaidos crew, tobi roppo, etc. Kaido vs Luffy fight was EVEN. They were both extremely exhausted except kaido didnt 'die' 2 times, but luffy did. I would even go so far as saying luffy was way more exhausted than Kaido and still won. Gear 5 beats Kaido even if both were at full strength@cortezallen1084
I'm happy with the general trend of yonko > admiral but I think people are taking this way out of proportion.
1. We already see that Kizaru would not loose to any of the other gears other than gear 5 so Luffy literally has to go his strongest form to beat him. - Gear 5 itself is debateably stronger than any of the other yonko but just has trash stamina.
2. Kizaru vs Luffy already happened and both went down. People are now trying to use a full health Luffy vs a round 2 Kizaru with no breaks. What's worse is that Kizaru has already taken 2 hits now from Luffy when he wasn't concentrated on him and we already know Kizaru is not an endurance beast.
3. It's genuinely absurd to say that 3 admiral are loosing to 1 yonko at this point. Saturn would have gotten the kill on Luffy if Franky didn't move him. Maybe it would be possible if Luffy had infinite gear 5 stamina but as it stands, Luffy is shown relative to the admiral with gears 1-4 and comfortably able to deal with one in gear 5. Add two more and it's simply over for him.
None of these guys seem like they remember that Kaido and Big Mom fought for 3 days straight, and the story was painting them as relative.
Kaido didnt even last a few hours against Luffy. Gear 5 is just stronger than them
Pretty sure they mention a few times in this video.
@@millionshadesofdarkness2165 Lmao luffy was fresh after he ate. He died twice and was KO 3times before that on the roof alone. G5 is strong but don't sit up and think luffy is now leagues above in a rematch it's high diff still😂😂
@@MrDragonkarp false
well, these guys also think zoro and sanji cant 2v1 an admiral, despite being yonkou commanders. think akainu is 50 tiers above the other admirals. and HONESTLY thought kizaru was gonna 1v2 kaido and big mom that chapter week he said it. my point is, the agenda is so strong with them that they cant see the way oda is writing people to be relative, because they already spent time talking stupid in the past with bad takes, so they gotta double down
Gear 5 is still in its early stages of strength too yall, just wail till he understands what he is.
Gear 5 probably is not even Luffy's final form. It might have been Joyboy's, but as the free-est man, Luffy will surpass that too
@@maibigbutt3746 gear 5 not being Luffy's final form is awful writing.
@@OnepiecelegendaireI think it would if it was Luffy fusing all his gears into one form
I dont think we will get gear 6 but variations of gear 5. I would argue that giant luffy could count as a g5 variant - giant man
@@OnepiecelegendaireHow tf would u know? Lol
Big Mom has the battle IQ of a toddler. How many times did she "defeat" Kid and Law, and turn her back to them, only for them to get up and sneak her from behind? She's supposed to be a veteran pirate, but she literally acts like an idiot 99% of the time. That's why her feats are often overlooked and seem underwhelming when compared to someone like Kaido.
I have to agree. As much as I love Big Mom, that is a major drawback of hers. If she had battle IQ similar to Kaido, she’d be even more of a problem than she already is, and would get way more respect from the community
So did kaido though? They both acted like idiots and fought to their opponents level, not the level they can usually fight at. Kaido took hits he didn’t have to, played games, didn’t use his full strength and all that. He’s stronger because he’s a fxckin monster. Not because big mom is dumber
Big mom in the rocks days seemed way more competent. Back then kaido was the bruiser and she seemed like the more strategic of the two. Maybe the soul fruit accelerates cognitive decline lol
@@turnwaiter I’ll be honest I think success beat them. There was nobody she struggled yo fight after the rocks pirates. It doesn’t look like her and kaido were sparring often.
@@turnwaiteragreed. I wish we saw a prime big mom, younger, faster, and smarter. She would’ve been an absolute beast.
Beat yes, wash probably no...
Kaido did say that Haki is really important, Roger conquered Grand Line no devil fruit powers, and Haki can negate the Devil Fruits effects like Law did against Doc. Q devil fruit effects...
So if Big Mom have stronger Haki and utilise her Devil Fruit power well, so may not beaten easily... But Luffy will beat Big Mom...
Her Haki can’t be that good Kid and Law beat her up 😭😭😭
@@jamesonedwardsii4943did it ever strike you that maybe Kid and Law weren't garbage🤦♀️
@@jpraise6771 yet one of them got his entire crew one tapped by a real yonko and the other got completely overwhelmed by a real yonko….. can’t be that good Big Mom is just trash.
I don’t get it I really don’t. Why do you people have such a hard time calling it for what it is? Is it because you think it reflects on Odas writing? It was bad writing it’s okay it happens to the best. IQ is part of battle and Big Mom has the worst IQ of literally everyone we’ve seen. She has no decent wins. Her best win is against one of the weaker strawhats in Brook. Let’s just be honest Big Mom is GARBAGE!
Katakuri and Perospero did the Big mom pirates name more justice than she ever did and that’s just a fact!
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 well in laws defense he got jumped and he doesn't really have a crew to back him up
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 Maybe cause She didn't even use armament against them until the very end much less acoc. Lmfao she low diffed queen in base form.
3:45 bro WHAT. Did he not see luffy gas himself just to draw and also go down with kizaru the first time? Imagine if fuji and greenbull were also there lmfao
All ya’ll who agree that gear 5 is having an easy time with ANY yonko or admiral (except buggy) are certified and undignified, clowns. “Big mom is not beating an admiral” KOL what kind of creatures do you allow in your streams??
Hes not having an easy time with them, but in a 1v1 he wins
The only clown here is you calm down thier not real😂
If that was the case big mom would not be a YONKO. They would’ve been arrested her. A YONKO is a world power with a lot of influence, you can’t say the same about an admiral. The only reason they’re trying to take luffy out s because he’s NEW and hasn’t matured into his self yet.
@@rubedog516"you can’t say the same about an admiral"
You can. The admiral is the actually dangerous part of a buster call. Which protects the celestial dragons. And basically every pirate character in the series doesn't have a good relationship with the celestial dragons. The fact that celestial dragons aren't just being killed off left and right is a showcase of the world power & influence admirals have. In the same way that islands protected by Yonkos aren't constantly under attack.
That said, I think the only reason they're trying to take out Luffy right now is because of Vegapunk's knowledge. I don't think they would choose a direct conflict like this in any other scenario against any other Yonko. But if it was Shanks, Black Beard, Big Mom, or Kaido here at Egg Head, I think they would still be trying to kill Vegapunk and destroy Egg Head.
@@Microtardz There are people ABOVE admiral level. When it comes to pirate leveling YONKOS are considered to be the strongest forces unless your the king of the pirates. Hence why I say just regular Admirals are not on the same level as a YONKO. Luffy proved that in the latest Manga chapter. But I can agree with your statement about why they’re taking the risk of fighting Luffy.
I think people are not understanding that Luffy is different. The Gorosei was okay with angering Kaido, meaning they believed they could handle Kaido. But Luffy is just on a different level because of the Nika fruit. He isn't just a Yonko, he's the pirate king. More then that he is the man who will bring the dawn of the world.
They were okay with angering Kaido? I thought the Gorosei didn't want to anger him?
@@chineseducksauce9085 and yet they did anyway and sacrificed a top agent just so Luffy wouldn't awaken
Finally, someone gets it. If not for the G5 time limit, Luffy would be UNSTOPPABLE @@faefriend5702
W. Luffy current might solo 2 Kaido's.
They weren't Okay with it,lol. But preventing Joyboys come back was a better option compared to.
Wash?! He dry cleans big mom too!
One piece fans - Egghead will be short informative arc just like zou
Meanwhile egghead-
Vegapunk reveal
Law vs BB
Luffy vs luccy rematch
Zoro vs kaku
Stussy reveal
Shanks s territory reveal
Shanks vs Kid ( not a fight, tital humiliation of kid )
Garp using named attacks
Garps past
Garp vs aokiji
Kobys named attack
All of these are insane already but Oda kept on cooking
Gorosei power reveal
Gorosei, imu vs Sabo
Bonneys past
Kumas backstory 😢
Saturn and kizarus arrival in egghead
Luffy vs Kizaru
Zoro vs luccy
God valley flashback
Rocks vs Roger pirates vs Garp & the holly knights ( tff😭)
Ancient robot and kingdom lore
Giant pirates and reunion with Dorry & Broggy
Vegapunk bouta spill the beans
Caribou arc finally paying off
Devon copying a gorosei (possibly Luffy too)
Lulusia being erased
Sabo situation
Cobra death
Vivi with Big News Morgan
Luffy vs kizaru and saint saturn at the same time
Luffy clapped both
Then saturn summons other elders....broo🥹😭🤯
Oda sensei cooking skills are unmatchable, like what tf is going on...
To be fair people using the "Shanks stunned an admiral using Haki" I don't think any other admiral is getting shook like that be it Aokiji, Kizaru, and definitely not Akainu, probably not Fujitora either... Due to Greenbulls mentality of wanting praise from Sakazuki like a child, he's clearly still wet behind the ears, a powerhouse? probably, cocky? absolutely we saw that with king and queen's interaction but is he confident in combating a yonko himself? Absolutely not. He said as much when he faced momo in his dragon form and stated "If kaido was still around I wouldn't be here."
The adimirals all have the same bounty meaning they are relative so yes fujutora may of reacted like that aswell
@@tunnelvision7906 See I don't think so, fujitora is much older and battler hardened where as although Greenbull was also recruited in the draft to fill the admirals positions he's young and seemingly has much less combat experience then the other admirals despite being strong himself I just don't see that same mental fortitude that the other admirals have in him.
bro who makes your thumbnails ? the art is crazy good 🔥
Big mom is always gonna be my favorite yonkou plus her crew is awesome
2 things. First i feel we still gotta put an asterisk next to admirals since we never seen them go all out. I didn't believe post wano a admiral was stronger than luffy but c'mon Kizaru is obviously plot wise conflicted. And we stilll haven't seen how nasty a logia awakening is.. Secondly I feel folks overlook the Purposeful L's Oda made big mom take. He obviously didn't wanna showcase her full power & competence yet..
The moment Luffy hit that red roc on Kaido was the moment the story said Big Mom was no longer on Luffy's level
I think it was when Luffy split the skies with Kaido.
Nah I think it was there to showcase that Luffy is indeed a threat versus Kaido at that point because he knew Ryuo and shouldn't be taken lightly because both kaido and big mom underestimated him. But Luffy at that point didn't unlock conqueror's coating so Big Mom was still stronger. I might even say that Big mom was stronger even when Luffy did unlock it, I think Luffy surpassed her when he awoke to Gear 5
Gear 5 Luffy is the strongest in the series, period. Only thing that I can see him improve upon from now until the end of the show is his stamina, and that will make him surpass Roger. He's basically tanked everything in Gear 5, made clowns out of a Gorosei, Admiral and Kaido and people still doubt his strength. Narratively it also doesn't make sense for Luffy to get another form to fight Imu or whoever is the final boss, since this form is what Oda has been working towards the entire story. So the only thing that he could work on is the stamina issue, and at that point he'll have surpassed everyone in the history of the show.
Big mom has barely shown her strongest haki; every time she fights on screen she is nerfed. She didn’t even use advanced conquerors against kidd and law. I’d say it would be extreme diff still for luffy vs big mom
Luffy mid diffs her at worst. Base Luffy already goes ext diff with BM
@@Onepiecelegendaire blatantly wrong. Big mom is compared to kaido in strength numerous times. She has advanced conquerors just like kaido and is covered in it just like kaido. So at bare minimum it would be high to extreme diff because she had durability comparable to kaido.
@@acedaboss3785 she's equal to base Kaido. Kaido has a hybrid and then awakened hybrid to be much stronger.
Hybrid Kaido got ragdolled by Base Luffy. Same would happens to Big Mom.
@@Onepiecelegendaire the fact that you said awakened kaido means youre wrong already. kaido was never confirmed to be awakened. Hybrid kaido didn’t get refilled by base luffy either; hybrid kaido forced gear 5 luffy to stop laughing and get serious so obviously the much weaker form of luffy isn’t beating him. Big mom has durability and AP comparable to kaido.
@@acedaboss3785what do you mean? Kaido has hybrid form make him stronger. Kaido was more impressive than big mom. Even zoro and luffy was more impressive than big mom in onigashima. She is trash
People keep talking about how roughed up by battle Kaido was, but will completely overlook the even worse beatings Luffy had taken up until that point. Kaido had taken damage from the supernovas and the scabbards, but Luffy sustained all of his damage from two Yonko. These two beatings are not comparable in the slightest. He was straight up knocked out multiple times, and would’ve died had his fruit not awakened. He managed to defeat Kaido despite being almost completely drained of energy, and riddled with what should have been mortal wounds. He went from top yonko commander level to quite literally man handling Kaido within the span of a few hours. Luffy’s attack potency is outrageous, and is why Oda is throwing enemies with top tier regeneration at him. He claps anyone under Yonko level unless they have hax abilities like the Gorosei.
Luffy got to eat and recover he was fine 😂😂😂
Lmao, it was Kaido himself who clapped luffy multiple times,dont bring other yonkou now lol
What about when he died after that? He didnt eat then lol@@MrDragonkarp
@@latima123ify Oda: Plot armor+Powerup engage 😂😂
Soo he was hurt worse then Kaido then and won. Thanks for confirming it@@MrDragonkarp
Luffy is legit yonkou level now but Kaidou is just built different
Big mom is coming back! That’s why Oda never had luffy touch big mom on wano
a bajrang gun one shots a fresh kaido
if thats the case then put luffy top 1. with ur logic, if he lands bajrang gun on any character he wins.
@@johnrebelet5754 If Kaido was the strongest, and Luffy beat Kaido, then yeah, Luffy is the strongest. He could be top 1 until we see what BB, Shanks and Imu are capable of.
@@jimmorrison903 bruh no shot... luffy didn't 1v1 kaido and win...
@@johnrebelet5754 uh yes he did. tell me who besides luffy actually did significant damage to Kaido? Zoro, yes he left a scar but that's it.
The Scabbards? Kaido was in his base form and drank sake after clapping them cheeks
Supernovas? Kid, Law, Killer? only superficial damages, miniscule really.
Yamato? All I see is daddy's girl was getting the belts because she threw tantrums.
Do you see this what I'm talking about? All them side characters did almost to nothing against Kaido. The one who truly damaged Kaido was Luffy (zoro only once). So it's fair to say Luffy really did 1v1 Kaido
Now granted, Kaido was also lifting an island while fighting... I give you that.
@@heliossun1591 let's assume you're right about all the damage feats. Answer this question. Does luffy win a 1v1 with no breaks against kaido???
This dude really said Akainu is stronger than Prime Garp. The Garp slander will never end with this dude lmao
Big MOM disrespect gotta stop. Who are these clowns?
Big Meme is the clown for getting actually *clowned* by Mid Tiers multiple times
The characters in the story disrespected her, so why should?
Post-Wano Midd (now stronger) got oneshotted by Shanks but in Wano he was eating punches from BM like it's no big deal.
Worth mentioning that Kidd's Corona Dio (not even his strongest move) *broke her arm* and she had to use her own lifespan to heal it.
@@JThePervertedSummonerbro compared a punch to an advanced conquerors haki sword attack? That’s nasty work bro 😂😂😂
@@RocksDXebec223 Not my problem her arsenal is garbage. BM also used her sword infused with her Homies, multiple times, and she didn't oneshot anybody. Not even Jinbe
@@JThePervertedSummoner now we comparing homies to the top haki in the verse? What are we doing gang
honestly people often misunderstand the advantage of being 2 v 1 with Law and Kid vs Big Mom.
if Law have 5 lives and fighting Big Mom alone back to back each time Big Mom killed Law, he would never win, and so did Kid.
Severely injured and exhausted Luffy who was using gear 5 for the first time, and was messing around. Didn't even bother to dodge a single attack from Kaido(it's clear that Kizaru faster than Kaido), One shots Kaido's strongest flame form. Luffy is above yonko level currently.
Fax but I have a question why do people underrate oden(in the anime they do him dirty) but if u read the manga Kaido was so desperate to live he sneak attack oden when he was asleep. We always see Kaido honor his opponents except for this time because he knew he was gonna lose
wdym one shot even though he changed he still was damaged
@@Ligmapigga Kaido was struggling to get up and down was distracted because his son was being held at knife point.(same thing that happened with garp and luffy) which allowed Kaido to hit him with a normal attack doing serious damage
Wait…. ARE WE STILL USING SHANKS HAKI FEAT?😭 BRO THAT WAS A RUSE TO PROMOTE FILM RED
it's about time mf start respecting Luffy he is a Yonko
So is Big Mom😂
@@jpraise6771big mom not beating luffy
@@thedarkestknight8381 you think luffy is beating her before the time limit😂😂😂
Why nobody's talking about Admirals' Awakening? Do you really think Kizaru doesn't have his fruit awakening?
Presumably because it's an unquantifiable boost of power that we can't actually prove gives them any more ways to beat a Yonko. But that's just my guess
I love how everyone is forgetting that Luffy still has one crucial weakness
I like the part where u said the weakness.
@@DarkLurker-x2m His stamina being drained by G5
That fake weakness powered only by plot convince? Gear weaknesses don't last for more than 2 arcs so this most likely won't exist after this arc or if it does Oda just has to magically summon food for Luffy that he doesn't even have to explain it until 50 chapters later.
Cuts
@@nubbiewubbie7285 I get your point but I wouldn't really call that a weakness...
I fuckin hate hearing so much big mom downplay and disrespect she does a couple goofy things bc she is a fun character and then people just go blind apparently when she has some of the best showing in the entire series. Big mom is a freak of nature and can literally hang in a fight with ANYBODY in one piece past or present nobody could win against her without taking serious damage not even Roger or Shanks.
I still think it can go either way with Luffy vs Big Mom
snakeman + adv conquerors haki shes cooked
@@Ligmapigga that doesn't cook her at all lol
@@Ligmapigga how when Kizaru handled snake man without breaking a sweat
@@vascoshot3879luffy didn’t use Adv conquers in snake man when he fought kizaru! But i agree! He will need gear 5th to even stand a chance of beating big mom
@@Ligmapigga it wouldn’t be enough to put her down!
rock, paper, scissors, my friends. just cos someone beats another, doesnt mean that the person isnt stronger than someone who would of beaten the person who won the previous fight.
Mfs keep forgetting that Big Mom didn’t even use advanced conquerers against kid n law if it wasn’t for plot she would’ve folded them ngl
big mom is strong but lacks battle iq. thats why people cant accurately power scale her. she is fully capable of beating law and kidd
Kidd didn't use it either to break her arm but he still injured her severely
BM apologists making their own excuses when she was objectively fighting for her life, going all out and using her entire arsenal
Using too much Haki tires people. BM already sacrificed 1 year of her life and stole the souls of Beast pirates to power up, why she shouldn't use Conqueror haki? They said she did when people thought Usopp used conqueror haki it was Big mom
She folded them like 3 times
If we saw that then luffy only used acoc vs kizaru once or twice making him clear of admirals and big mom by an even bigger margin
a whole argument then every one at the end agree with each others already, that was funny xd
We know that G5 Luffy is incredibly strong. He's working Kizaru and Saturn pretty handedly right now.
That said if you put full health Luffy against a full health Kaido, he's still losing that fight. Kaido is a fucking monster. He beat Luffy 3 times during the raid, he fought a total of 15 relatively strong people in rapid succession with zero breaks, all of this while floating a massive island the entire time. And even after ALL of that, Kaido was still boxing with Luffy in G5 to a fight he would've won had he just dodged instead of trying to tank.
I know there's a handful of people like KOL who think Big Mom > Kaido (lul), but she's not that insanely far off from him. The only factor that could possibly play a part in Big Mom losing is her age, which doesn't seem to be an issue for her like it was for Whitebeard. She's more physically tanky than Kaido, her destructive capability is in the same ballpark as Kaido's Blast Breath with her Ikoku Sovereignty, her DF is insanely busted with a ton of application, she has insane speed and movement options with her homies.
your tripping luffy>kaido tf
Luffy is more capable of dodging any attack than Kaido as we've seen countless times since his power-up, starting with his clash with Kaido. And even when he's not dodging, he's laughing and being a fool. He's at a different level until otherwise shown, right now.
All u did was a bunch of yapping
If Kaido and Luffy were to rematch full stamina Luffy wins
@@lax857luffy literally needs people to tag him out of fights because of overexertion stop it.
Big Mom: I'm gonna kill yu luffy
Me: Can you cook me a big mom pizza my Nika
Gear Fifth Packed All Yonkos...
No lol
Bro, lemme discuss with you any one piece power scaling topic. I'll show how real power scaling works. It has even a different language. I've had 10-20k debates. Where do I connect?
Monke beats Mama
Kizaru Was Crying Holding His Face In The Panel Crazy How Noone Noticed Cuz The Luffy Hype
From everything we've seen of Big Mom most of her kit is useless against G5 Luffy. Kaido put on more of show when it came to hand to hand combat and I think that's the only reason he was able to hang with Luffy at that point. I just can't see Big Mom zipping around and keeping up with Luffy like Kaido in his hybrid form
Edit: I think it's clear Oda WANTS Kaido and Big Mom to be portrayed as equals with how he had them clash, but other than that she doesn't even look like she could hang like that beyond that scene. Luffy vs Kaido is a battle between fruits AND haki while Big Mom vs Kidd and Law was more of a show of devil fruits.
In OP, it's all about matchup
Powerscaling does not even exist for the most part between the same power level characters
Big mom never used her advance haki vs law and kid but did once on Page1. Kaido mentions haki rules all it could be a personal philosophy thing where certain yonkos use haki to different extents but they all have advance haki.
G5 Luffy could even do somethin wacky or crazy to Prometheus - eating him like cotton candy or throwing him like a baseball/shot putting him far away making Big Mom FAR less mobile
Kid and Law got a ring out
Big Mom didn’t really get beaten in a conventional sense though. She lost to a ring-out. It’s not like they smoked her boots and she was stiff on the floor with no socks. I know y’all played Soul Calibur and got washed one round by your little cousin because he cheesed you off the stage. 😭
people need to realize that big mom and kaido were portrayed as near equals every single time they were on screen together 😭 anybody who’s got her beneath a SINGLE admiral isn’t reading one piece
I personally still don't think Big Mom has shown her true power. Mainly because of her her crazed state in Whole Cake.
I look forward for the other Five Elders of their demon looking Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit forms and their combat capabilities against Gear 5 Luffy on Egghead Island.
There's a clean difference between bajrang gun and puncture Willy , puncture Willy was for making a hole to the magma chamber which didn't ko bigmom while luffy's bajrang gun made a hole by ko ing kaido.
Which shows how good big moms durability and endurance is if she took all that and didn’t even get knocked out after a nuke
@@robinn384 those holes are not from same reason puncture Willy was made to make hole luffy's bajrang gun is not directly contacted on the ground
@@nithinsyamc5802 and? Still w crazy attack no question lufgy over law
We need a luffy vs Lucci/katakuri with a Yonkou or Admiral. No holding back, no circumstances, no hostages, just 100% hands
What? What you have against Katakuri and Lucci that you would hold a public execution for them?
@@geometrysquared1939 I meant in terns of a straight one vs one. Hard to find them in one piece, ones mention are mostly uninterrupted fights.
We kinda did vs kizaru. It's implied g5 ran out before offscreen then luffy pumped his heart again and we saw that Punch that had kizaru on his back. I hate oda offscreen most of that fight cause luffy showed signs of being exhausted bro was a raisin till he got food 😂😂
The big mom dissrespect is wild. He is similar to kaido in power
Keep up the awesome work and videos KOL love the video
Bros Buggy needs an Awakening he misrepresenting the Yonkou!
They really slandering Big Mom's name. She lost due to ring out. She tanked both their strongest combined attacks and would have slaughtered them if she hadn't been pushed into a hole. If she could fly like Kaido or had a homie, then it would be a wrap. She is as old as whiteboard and can still literally walk through the Earth. Stop this please
o.o sometimes I wondr if they read the same series as us. Then, I remembr, they dum youtubrs.
Bro luffy is keeping up and hitting kizaru a man that is made of light and this is the start of the final sage of one piece luffy end of series is going too be busted as hell it pretty much has infinite potential too be even more powerful then roger and rockes and garp combined thats insane too think of but the fact its a possibility it is crazy
This debate was funny as hell 😂
Luffy grabbed Pizzaru like a toy from a happy meal 😂
Freudian slip comment was golden lmao
Old big mom is the new Buggy imo Weakest of the group but silly strong
3 admirals to defeat a single yonko is the most insane power scaling I've ever heard. Match ups matter. Might as well say it takes 3 Garps to defeat 1 Roger with that logic.
Admirals being lowballed again because of Luffys new style. Did we forget Luffy turned Kaido into a jump rope, it doesnt mean 2 Kaidos cant beat Luffy its just current Luffys style makes his opponents look bad, same idea with Admirals.
People seem to forget that Kaido respected big mom enough to
1. Be on the same crew and fight alongside each other
2. Fight each other in the past regularly and IMO I feel they had a more "friendly rival" relationship
3. Ask big mom to be in an alliance to take down the world government..
So I have a feeling Kiado held big mom in high regard, at least to himself. Maybe not outwardly. And we saw how much of a monster he is to take on all he did at the time. But Laws fruit is just.. broken lol.. kinda. So she was beat by Law and Kidd. Amd people say she's trash??? I'm not saying she's exactly equal to Kiado, but she has to be close when she has this amount of respect from Kiado.. you can't deny that..
I’m glad Kol has the reason to see the value in someone like Kid or Big Mom, I don’t think it’s that hard to see what Oda is portraying, the disrespect has been crazy for those characters.
Bro oda plans to make luffy the goat, he could have not given luffy a devil fruit and his peak would have just been roger. But the fact he gave luffy joyboys fruit means he gonna surpass even him.
Bro luffy is the strongest of the yanko so far only one the only one im not sure of is shanks cuz we ain't seen him in full action but im pretty sure luffy stronger than him too
These conversations are crazy lol
Also i can't take this big mom slander, People forget there's a major difference with how Big Mom was defeated Vs Kaido, Kaido was in a drawn out fight and was eventually beaten... ACTUALLY BEATEN to the point of not being able to transform or move where as although Big mom was injured by kid and law, she was sent flying through a hole in the ground and was silenced by Law's (Corazon mimic'd move) To where she couldn't call apon her homies to rescue her. HAD big mom been on flat ground and not cheated by being sent through a hole in the ground and had her voice silenced there's not a doubt in my mind that Kid and law lose that fight
the whole one piece power scale community (and jjk too tbh) has just turned into a favorite character contest where whole parts of the story get ignored bc u like someone more than someone else
We gotta remember garp said big mom n kaido wasn’t enough for his expectations.
The other guys missed the whole point..... Big mom lost due to plot but Kid/Law are close to/Admiral level tier fighters.
To defeat most Yonko (buggy excluded) it likely take 2/3 admiral level characters at minimum to win Extreme high diff fight with a Yonko. That also doesn't include prime Kaido/Whiteboard & Shanks due to what the Admiral GB implied about Why they never went into Wano and what Shanks already did to him....
in an SBS I think Oda said if Akainu was the MC, he would find the one piece in 1-2 years or something like that... naturally that means he will be able to take on the yonkou
It’s funny because back in 2017 or so when whole cake was out I was advocating for weak mom since we had evidence for that in the arc leading up to the weeding crash, and people thought I was crazy. Now look at all the OPtubers now 😂
lol
Never was made out that way😂
Nobody paid attention cuz it was flat out dumb
You are forgetting the fact that law fought against not just Blackbeard but also his crew
The Big Mom disrespect is going on for quite some and it's really starting to get irritating, despite all the things she's shown. People keeps on. Makes me think they have something against a ŵoman being this powerfull.
What people aren't realizing is that Akianu and Aokiji are waaaay above the other admirals. They scale to yonko +
I always got the impression that the admirals would be fights for people like Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe not Luffy.
BIG MOM IS NOT TOUCHING LUFFY AT ALL
I personally still have Big Mom over Luffy across a number of different criteria:
1) Political strategy
Big Mom understands the value of building a strong pirate family which is shown by her commitment to political marriages; she's able to develop her extended power base by integrating with other established powers e.g. Germa 66 by marrying into those institutions. She's very capable of seeing the bigger picture and growing her strength through allegiances. The size of her domain is a testament to this as well as the diversity of races she is able to command through her children and their families.
2) Quality advisors
Perspero and Katakuri are excellent military minds who have a great talent for mitigating risks before they manifest as well as neutralising threats. Katakuri's Future Sight quite literally prevents assassination attempts as shown in the cannon material which gives Big Mom a significant edge over most of her competition.
3) Raw power, Devil Fruit Abilities
The Soul Soul fruit to me is one of the most broken fruits in the series as Big Mom can essentially extend her life force at will; she also has the moral flexibility to absorb life force from her own family members when in a rage. Furthermore, she can create an endless army of minions by distributing her life force into inanimate objects when needed. In a 1 v 1 situation you could imagine Big Mom wearing Luffy down by attrition by sending endless volleys of homies to wilt his energy and force Luffy to tire out.
Big Mom's physical durability is already well established; I think she's arguably equal to if not greater than Kaido in terms of her ability to absorb damage and carry on. It must be stated, Big Mom wasn't defeated through submission or murder: she was knocked 'out of the arena' so to speak but we all know she is very likely not dead. I think the fact we are confident she'll make a return also puts her over Kaido as it's more or less understood Kaido is out of the game now.
4) Intelligence
Big Mom has extensive knowledge of Poneyglyphs, races within the One Piece Universe as well as Devil Fruits. It was Big Mom who gave Kaido his devil fruit - one of the most rare and powerful fruits in the series. That intricate knowledge shows she is a student of the One Piece Universe and has insights which Luffy is yet to demonstrate. She also sees the military value of the giants having stated that 'if she had an allegiance with the Giants she would've been Pirate King long ago'.
5) Conclusion
At present, Big Mom to me second in the verse behind Shanks. BlackBeard is quickly rising and because of his Yami Yami No Mi is a great candidate to overcome Big Mom as he can neutralise the Soul Soul Fruit but until BlackBeard is shown defeating a Yonkou confidently he is still beneath Big Mom to me. Luffy is great but if we had Big Mom vs Luffy in a 1 vs 1 Big Mom will beat Luffy. Any other outcome is plot armour.
I think the Gorosei already had someone used the Op-Op immortality operation on them.
Gear 5 ruined any and all power scaling in one piece. Idk what Oda was thinking. How did we go from the seriousness of Luffy vs Doflamingo, Lucci, Katakuri, Crocodile to Luffy being a literal looney tune laughing and joking in the most serious of moments. Dumbest manga/anime decision of all time
Ofc it's an opinion, but I disagree despite getting where you come from, here is why. Luffy isn't incapable of being serious in G5. What gear 5 does to one piece essentially is reinforce what's already there making one piece even more one piece, let me explain. Luffy used to joke around in fights since a long time ago, he is a goofy guy but he does have his serious side which comes in a lot of the fights. Now, in gear 5 assuming Luffy was serious, it puts him in a high mode and reinforces that goofy side undoing the seriousness for a time until he becomes serious again for example when he became serious he immediately did bajrang gun and defeated kaido.
Many times in the past things like this has happened before gear5. Remember doflamingo vs gear4. Doffy was making fun of luffy bouncing around constantly. Luffy biting Arlong. There’s been many times where luffy hasn’t been that series in a fight.
If you got king of lightning, THE shanks glazer, defending admirals against shanks glaze, you know damn well whatever your saying gotta be bullshit because there aint no way you got KOL defending against glaze for his glorious king
Saying big mom is on luffy lvl now is crazy SAYING KIZURA LOSE TO KID AND LAW IS INSANE KIZURA IS TAKING STRONG AS G5 LUFFY ATTACKS WHILE CONFLICTED AND STILL GETTING UP saying law and kidd beats a Luffy is absolutely insane
People forget that its not Yonko vs Yonko. It's Yonko + Their Crew.
Maybe there is a "Dark Nika" fruit that can counter Luffy's Gear 5, because it's not only the amount of power he has, but also the nature of it... toon force is basically like god mode in a sense that he can do whatever he can imagine. If there is some kind of "Dark Nika" fruit it could be what you have described in a previous video, a fusion of Blackbeard's Darkness fruit with Emu. 🤔
Also I like kid. A guy scared of no one is a great friend even if he knows he would lose. That's called not being a lil bitch, and irl that's your most loyal homie. Look how he rides for killer. He's like the bakugo of one piece. He's to be the vegeta of the show, he's just not on that power level yet. Also Ben Beckmann would have wiped the floor with kizaru at marineford so all the admirals aren't at first commander level.
I swear, OP fans are wild sometimes. In what universe is Big Mom below an Admiral?? They also disrespect Kid, and while I think he's one of the most BORING supernova, I think it's wild that they would consider him below ZORO. I'm glad KoL is standing up for these downplayed characters lmao.
"Zoro and Sanji can 2v1 any Admiral" has me dying.
ZORO is strong and has incredible killing force, but the d-riding has to stop. He beat King. King isn't anywhere near the Admirals. Greenbull is relative to Fujitora and Kizaru--end of story. Zoro is stalemating a character that Gear 5 Luffy defeated with 3 moves while clearly holding back his strongest attacks.
Kid was still able to damage Kaido by literally throwing and punching him. He's strong whether people want to believe it or not. Law gave a good fight to Blackbeard, who in turn is PROBABLY (speculation, so you can clock me for this) stronger than Kuzan. And he also has the ability to damage Kaido (despite Haki's effectiveness against Devil Fruits being a factor).
Despite this, Big Mom was 1v2ing them, and it took everything they had just to get her off the battlefield. Disregarding the bombs + volcano eruption, we all know Big Mom would've been fine, just unable to get back to the fight since she'd need a homie to fly her back up there, and Law disabled her ability to give commands. We don't even know if Big Mom was killed by the volcano, and it would make sense for her to appear at Elbaf for revenge against Kid and the Strawhats.
Point is, Big Mom > Law and Kid COMBINED > Law, who could do battle against Blackbeard.
I think he's down playing big mom because of Kid and Law beat her. First of all he broke big moms with a ton of metal with magnetic force. It's impressive it only just in broke her arm. Considering that's normal flush, she doesn't have a healing Factor like Luffy and Kaido. You got to be careful about what you use against you. Law Powers can't be grab. Think of the nightmare of Big Mom could put her soul in Law Room. Kid is using metal so it's kind of useless against him. Is she fights a Akainu she could use his own Lava against him.
What healing factors do luffy and kaido have??? Its literally the opposite.. big mom could heal herself because of her powers, but luffy and kaido dont have that.. they are just insanely durable and have incredible endurance. Just because they have been fighting for a long time doesnt mean they are constantly healing themselves..
why didn't she use kids metal against him?
@@jeffreyliu545 well awakened zoan users do have higher recovery rate guess you say thats healing i guess!
@@audaciousjones She can put a soul in it. Which she did but it was useless.
@@jeffreyliu545 They are Zoan have a stamina and healing factor. It's their base ability. Even Chopper has it.
As soon as I hear tier 3 voices, I know I’ll never make it through the whole video… Kol is like Shanks. These cats are like Shanks’ grand fleet…
Akainu just beat up on kuma who punched Saturn and intercepted his attack don't sleep on the red dog 🐶
What admiral has been fully defeated?
I’m not even a big mom fan, but this is INSANE. Big mom is still a Yonko bro
Kidd and Law were vastly stronger against BM than when they fought on Rooftop. Their awakened techniques have far more AP/DC, and somehow their defense became insane. Damned Punk and Puncture Willie were top tier attacks that would rip through any other being besides Kaido and BM, and Linlin tanked them in quick succession (1 PW and 2 shots of Damned Punk) + a bomb blast to the face, without getting KO'd.
Big Mom is narratively among the strongest beings in the series, so she very much scales to the other yonkou. As a kid, she could already terrorize a whole village of giants, and she could hold her own against Kaido
However, she's the kind of character that is always just as impressive as the story needs them to be. Conceptually, she could fight Shanks or any admiral, if the story needed her to. On the other hand, she could be ridiculed even by Franky and Robin if the story needed them to get out of her clutches. That's just how she was written. But at the core, BM is supposed to be a menace. I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow managed to put up a good fight against even G5.
Yamato wasnt trying to kill greenbull😂, she wasnt able to fight him for real.
Bro after seeing what they did on punk hazard why do people still think Akainu went ALL OUT in Marineford? We didn’t see and changing to the surroundings at Marineford. Logia’s with destructive capabilities like Akainu and Aokiji can not go all out when surrounded by allies. He’ll even Fuji can’t go all out around his allies. Sengoku had a grip on the proverbial balls of that war. He was not going to let the Admirals fully off leash, he didn’t even let Garp fight because he was afraid of casualties, and we saw the destructive power of Garp. Akainu is definitely yonko level for sure his personality and temperament won’t let him be any weaker. You say he’s a pencil pusher but we saw how Garp got so strong he just punched ships Akainu can still train and be a pencil pusher.
Ok, I just wanna say this: The yonkos are NOT necessarily JUST better than the admirals... IT literally MATTERS what admirals we're talking about.... That's it. All admirals aren't cut from the same cloth. No yonko is gonna be able to jolust get rid of an admiral like that....