What Happened to PvP In Destiny 2!?
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2022
- I haven't really played Destiny 2 PvP... but after hearing about all the changes, I had to try it for myself. I am pretty shocked at what I discovered upon jumping into the crucible once again
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This feels like seeing an old friend you just pick up like you just saw them yesterday
Forreal man I was so pleasantly surprised seeing Tash upload D2.
Mtashed was my favorite D2 CC not for his skill but his genuine personality. He made the ZK/Frostbolt trials matches entertaining to watch. I guess you can say him leaving was a bad omen for things to come lol
Dude played a couple of game and realized how bad this game is now. Just a couple of games lmaoo.
Had a stroke reading this
@@colinrobinson4233 bruh. mtashed is way to chill. Why you roasting him lol
I can’t believe he only played for an hour and absolutely nailed everything wrong with the game… smh Mtashed your the voice the people needed 🤦🏽♂️
It’s because it’s so obvious, so much cheese and crap changes
Mtashed back on destiny? The surprise upload is always welcomed
Agreed
Facts, I know the changes are the best right now but I really miss watching his stream.
Not for long. Nothing Wowed him. If anything ... he was gone for 2 years and now might be gone for another 5.
I really hope that MTashed is back on Destiny 2 and that the game improves to keep us all interested and not leaving like so many have.
I'm glad you came back to see it for yourself man. PvP was why I planted roots in this franchise and it's really hard to get excited about making content or playing the game in it's current state. Hoping we see changes soon.
Two months later and the PvP is terrible. It's not even the same game. 1 season difference and it's crazy. Guns that aren't good are OP and guns that should be are terrible. Abilities are OP and don't make any sense. Grenades take up half the map with the area of effect deal. Idk what to think, but it's nothing good.
For just a brief moment before witch queen, the crucible was in a decent place. Then they threw it all out so now it's all glowing particle effects and random flying purple objects but sometimes there's a yellow scope aimed at you before you die.
oh my god amen brother
I haven't played in about a month or 2, I'll get back on before the season ends. But man, even if it's just a one-off video, it's good to see Mtashed on D2 again.
He's very successful streaming other games. Way more than he was on D2.
- talks about PvP feeling worse
- Proceeds to absolutely clap the lobby with Ace and godly snipes
lmfaoooo
The king himself playing rumble! 🤩 Dude, it would be awesome to see you in it again, but I know you’d have to embrace the insanity of abilities and all the changes to do so.
I’ve grown to enjoy the ridiculous side. I know it makes it harder to come back to though.
Airborne effectiveness and listening to the wrong ppl happened
They always listen to wrong people
Fucking EXACTLY
Yes to everything you said plus the one class who's identity should be abilities, aka warlock, has been completely gutted. All the unique abilities were either removed or parced out to the other classes. I'm very sad right now
Very sad to see. There are more VOID HUNTERS than ALL warlocks Combined. Same for void titan. If Warlock didn't have WoR the class would be completely irrelevant
@@isaacvelasco6498 Hell if starfire protocol wasn’t a thing they’d be irrelevant
As a warlock main and with the AE changes, not to mention lack of content besides seasonal, I have stopped playing, it's just not fun, and PVP has been ignored for years besides Trials. Obviously PVP developers were allocated to their new PVP focused IP, even if I am wrong it feels that way, and now Bungie is hiring new developers, this should have happened 3 years ago....
Meanwhile they give hunters permanent invis and titans one hit melees and a mini thunder crash lol.
I didn’t like that they gave all grenades to all classes, it waters down the game even more
The fact you've been gone for 2 years is absurd I used to watch Ur destiny 2 content non stop, and with your opinion on the game now Ur 100% right the abilities are crazy atm even though they said they're re vamping abilities
I've been following him since the start of D1, kinda sad seeing him come and go with destiny, I have been doing the same thing.. wishing I could go back to D1 playing trials at 14 years old every weekend with my best friends, and watching a mashed vid every day. Maybe one day destiny will get better and we will see mashed back for good.
@@coreywags1 nostalgic times indeed
Ability spam is whacky and annoying for sure. They need to be tuned in PvP. But I get worried about them over doing it for PvE.
@@prdiver7610 oh no i won’t be able to kill this robot as fast
I’m psyched to see you post!!! Hope you stick around, I love your content!!!😁👍
Really refreshing to hear this from a "returning" player perspective. Glad you're doing well Tashman!
He's not returning, he saw other streamers complain about PvP so he made a video shitting on D2, its not the first time probably won't be the last its a pattern at this point.
@@hydrusnoir572 What has he said that was wrong about the state of PvP? Literally no one likes the changes they made that’s why people are quitting.
We miss you too MTashed! It was great seeing you play MWII with the boys. You said a lot of the things we all feel about the Crucible. Everyone hopes the changes will be good, but I believe everyone is bracing to be disappointed.
Good video! Since you asked, yes, the game feels awful in pve too. Flinch is the worst it’s ever been, in air inaccuracy is pretty annoying, but more then anything else the removal of hotswapping (sprint canceling when swapping weapons) makes gunplay feel incredibly boring compared to before. They are definitely going in the wrong direction with the gameplay.
Very true. The AE changes came to my attention when I was doing Kings Fall, in the daughters encounter, I was standing on the platform near the plate, and I would jump to try and pick off the sniper on my side, but not a single bullet hit. I thought it was my internet or something until I realized it was the game itself. The flinch is also unbearable, legit cannot hit any boss crit reliably without Div on.
It just seems like they have no one in-house who feels about the game the way we do. Frequently when a bunch of us are upset, they swear they’re right there with us in being frustrated and valuing the same/similar things.
Yet we very often just see the devs playing and seemingly approaching the game from a casual, dad-gamer, or other such type perspective. So what’s the truth? Does anyone at Bungie know our pain points, feel them, or view them as negatives instead of positives that “even the playing field?”
I just feel like there’s no way our issues with the game or awareness of them is present in the development process. If they were, how would things not have improved by now?
Oh and I feel like knowing you and the kind of challenges you aspire to in-game, world’s firsts, you’ll feel me on this maybe. It feels like they put forth things like day one races, Comp, Trials, as just like traditions or obligations from a time when they valued things of that nature more. But in reality, they don’t treat the game in a way year-round that respects these high-level player challenges, so the fanfare around them just feels empty and hollow. Again, like obligation, not a celebration of something they share our love or pursuit of.
This is my exact point I want the devs to understand. The pillars in the D2 community have been saying "hey man, let's not do this" and it falls on deaf ears or worse they rebuke them publicly. Haven't played in about 8-9 months and realized the other day that I have fully moved on. I had hoped to leave D2 with a bang, not a whimper. RDR2 has more players than D2 now so do with that info what you will. sadge
@@d0c_5u11y >RDR2 has more players atm
Good, because they seem to only ever change things when their back’s up against the wall and they see engagement slip
Gotta bring M&K users down a bit to level the playing field for all input devices.
Miss you, Mike. You changed my entire PvP career with your D1 crucible school videos
I miss Mtashed on Destiny, but he finally sees what's been going on with this game. Something's got to be done with the PVP side of things, no incentives to play or rewards like Luna's howl or not forgotten. That really sucks, I don't know if things will change anytime soon, but with the way the game is declining I'm sure they're monitoring and listening to feedback and hopefully things change before lightfall🙏
hopefully, im prayin fr
I think those rewards actually hurt the game.
@@deadcut7282 cause the weapons were busted but they were rewards to go after nonetheless. There’s NOTHING to look forward to now 🥲🥲
@@ringomandingo1015 I think that might have been the issue. They weren't rewards. They were metas.
Sucks cause i just got back into destiny 2 and started new characters and everything lol
Good to see you brotha always look forward to your videos
I think that you have provided some really good feedback and information that Bungie needs to really take to heart. They are making pvp more casual and appear to be removing the skill gap. This is coming from a pve player btw.
As a PvE player. Everytime I go pvp now each player against me has some cheese, invisibility, overshield, healing, storm grenade.
In PvE you never were jump shooting to being with, you a free target in the air in PvE. So AA didn't changed much.
Buuuut, in pvp, Instead of getting shotgunned in a face in forsaken, I'm getting shotgunned in a face with a guy with an overshield. They reduced "skill gap" by making the game shittier on both ends
I can’t believe this! Good to see you dude!
Ty for this i honestly took a break after AE was introduced and see the amount of changes over the past year to counter movement and just not the same pvp i grew up on but I'm still very hopeful
Welcome back! Really hoping you do a few more D2 videos. They did miss the mark, in that you cannot build into AE. But you are now experiencing what 55% of the player base experiences. By the time you realize what is going on, you are dead. Over shields are oppressive, invisibility is oppressive ( Invisible hunter main - broken AF, I've gone from bronze ELO to Platinum in control). You adapt, but you have to really think about staying on the ground.
AE ??? Also, it's so bad I showed a photo of what my friend looks like while he's invisible and we came up with a SCENARIO that makes it easier to know nightstalkers are or anyone who is invisible.
@@crossyfirezx9659 airborne effectiveness
@@tyler77971 oh yeah, right that thing
Destiny tracker elo 😂
ive been saying over and over they need to make Mobility the AE stat to give +20-30 if you get to 100 like they did with Res and flinch
I used to watch your vids back in D1 and early d2. Welcome back man .
Damn I miss these vidoes. Good to see you talking about destiny again.
I took a break after shadowkeep and just came back this season, i fell in love with pvp in D1 and I feel this is the furthest we’ve ever been from the experience we all love. I have zero motivation to get better in the crucible and usually just end up frustrated. I just hope there’s some way to make it an enjoyable experience again
Welcome back king
That's Rumble King sir
Thank you so much for making this video❤.
I always loved having your videos playing while grinding D2, would love to have you back in my feed :)
I dunno maybe Destiny would be better if they got rid of end game all together. It's clearly what smart video game companies do...
I clicked on this video so fast once I saw your big grin MTashed!
Bungie instead of listening to the community decided to nerf pvp
Glad you made this vid and jumped in destiny again !
This is what bungie said about airborne gunplay in the 4/21/22 twab - "Destiny has extremely fluid and expressive airborne movement, but that movement must be balanced against grounded players lest it become oppressive. We want players who enjoy that play style to be able to build into it, but they'll have to make tough choices about what they leave behind to do so. Successfully engaging in the air will no longer be as simple as "put an Icarus Grip mod on it," but the upside for heavily investing in it will be higher."
7 months later and we still can't actually build for airborne effectiveness. The max I can get using a 140 hand cannon on my hunter is 56/100, which still feels god awful. There is no point in trying to invest in AE, might as well just lane with a pulse rifle and keep your feet planted.
This put a big smile on my face. Cheers mate!
This was great ☺️
You should definitely keep checking into destiny periodically and making videos.
I think there will be more gunplay next season with the coming sandbox changes. We have had a "new" subclass each season, 3 seasons in a row, that made crucible like a stasis 2.0 experiance. Next season will hopefully be a breather before the strand subclass with the dlc. Oh and Mtashed aka the rumble king, the rumble playlist will be on a rotation!
Rumble in rotation is the biggest crime for me, I stopped playing early this season and no way in hell I’m coming back now
Have you read the TWAB? They didn't really do much
Great to see you!! I feel the same way about PVP. I only play a handful of matches a week and it just feels like work. All the guns that I like using dont feel like they connect when I play aggressive and the only time that I pop off is when I play a super passive game with a 150/80 scout in the far corner of the map. Anyways, hope the little one and the rest of the fam are doing great! catch you in the next one.
Thank you for doing this! ❤❤❤
Good to see ya back!
The Big problem is Airborne Effectiveness. This has affected the whole of PvP in a bad way. Great to see you back, hope you decide to stay with it.
yeah... pvp not in a great place right now. Even some of the changes next season are disappointing. No loot in comp, Rumble only being available 1 in 5 weeks, only 1 new map per year, SBMM in nearly every mode.. bleh
Nice to watch a Mtashed destiny vid. Hope you make more bro!
Watched the newest video and had to come back to give this one some love. Good seeing you again old friend
Really happy you are talking about this. The AE changes made me stop playing this season. Being punished for jumping / sliding lowers the skill gap for destiny 2. I much preferred when 150s were in the game. Enjoying valorant, overwatch and apex. Better connections and more balance changes.
Personally, I don’t hate this meta as a lot of members of the community, though there’s definitely a lot of things to improve on. Maybe it’s just my build, but in-air accuracy feels fine to me. I’m constantly jumping in the air and I’m consistently hitting shots. I also personally don’t feel the slide changes at all, unless I’m shotgunning, though I’m happy shotgun aping got nerfed. Subclass 3.0 feels like it went back on the gunplay-focused updates of late last year, which kind of sucks. Hopefully the sandbox changes in the next TWAB address some of the things that they need to improve on.
I have Missed seeing you on Destiny, Tashman! Lots of memories all the way back from Crucible school.
Yoooo Michael! Havent seen a video in forever, I watched all your old destiny content, crucible school etc.
Warlock and Titan abilities are pretty much game breaking atm
All subclasses let's be real.
nah that one statement tells me all i need to know. invis or ahamkaras hunter
yeah warlocks have a really over-tuned arc melee. you pair that with dead messenger and its just not fair. we also have heat rises which is fun but and it gives an advantage over other people that dont have AE and just whiff their shots, leading to some warlocks being powerhouses because of that. titans are just ability spam lords, throwing down storm nades that last 9 seconds and can track perfectly. they have barriers which they can get an immediate overshield for just pressing one button and for their teammates. loreley isnt as potent but it can still save you here and there, it was one of the more better nerfs that bungie has done. hunters have gyrfalcons which just isnt fun and wormhusk. i really want to see a hunter with stompees on again, which is literally the reason why we got AE introduced into the game in the first place. they couldve literally just nerfed stompees but turned it into a big deal.
@@Fadedagent64 hunter way better warlock sucks
Stasis hunter still feels absolutely disgusting... I have no idea why people aren't playing it.
I appreciate you still being super transparent even after all this time. You know you always have a community in Destiny no matter what. Hopefully they can fix the bs they added in and make PVP as great as PVE.
Good to see you on another destiny video man :)
Glad to see you back, so sorry you felt tht way on pvp
Don’t waste your money, I noticed it’s only nostalgia that makes me come back to D2 🤷🏽♂️
It’s hope, it’s.. I’ll grind and get loads of cool shit so when they game is good I can play it and have fun with all my cool exotics and guns, then it never gets fun, and then they make all the stuff you grinder for not usable.
Firstly of all welcome back
Secondly to catch you up to speed.
A lot of changes happened to pvp:
- A new airborne effectiveness system(Awful change) that make you have to now build into air combat
- snipers got nerfed twice cuz they were shooting through flinch
- slide nerf
- most abilities with 3.0 subclasses were way too overturned
- pulse rifles, sidearm, smgs got tuned.
If you want the old hand cannon feeling you should use forerunner(destiny version of halo magnum)
And despite all the flinch changes absolute bs snipes through flinch are not uncommon whatsoever. It's almost like the issue isn't the amount of flinch, but rather the terrible networking and the fact that flinch can pull your crosshair back towards the head.
@@Austere5796destiny uses peer to peer for pvp. If they wanted to fix most of the network related errors they should have changed to dedicated servers. Instead they choose to implement dumb changes rather then focus on the main issue.
Love you mtashed. It feels good to see you talking about destiny
Glad to see a Mtashed destiny vid! The most fun stream I’ve ever watched was when you joined TrueVandguard and I think maybe Kackis for the Dungeon of Avarice stream. That was so entertaining.
Love to see you come back to Destiny every now and then. Hope the game's PvP gets in a better state soon!
The fact that someone that played for one day can recognize all the problems that a multi billion dollar company cant in a year is not ok
As someone who mains Dawnblade, Heat Rises gives you full access to complete accuracy in air, which has buffed my play style a lot with the changes combined with more grounded enemies. That being said, aerial play should not be limited to a single subclass on a single class.
It also becomes more frustrating that so many abilities and weapons become much more potent when for the most part everyone is forced on the ground. Storm Grenades, Dead Messenger, Witherhoard, etc all become WAY stronger when 11 out of 12 subclasses are sitting ducks whenever they jump.
You're a good dude, miss your Destiny videos brotha!
hell I needed to edit my last comment it was stupid you are so damn right on the movement and the invis, that I have had problems with lately also after after coming back after half a year or so and I've been jamming pvp since a few days after d1 came out. it's a great video I am going to watch some more of your videos
Man you're analysis is spot on when you left I was truly heartbroken because I knew this game was going to go downhill for the worst because your analysis on game mechanics and just the overall feel of the game and your skill videos we're absolutely what this community needed I know for a fact that Bungie devs watched your videos and use your content to balance the game numerous times. But as of right now as a sidearm user even though they're probably the best guns in the game right now I literally cannot have fun in this game. I literally started playing Star wars battlefront 2 and my analysis was I'm just not having fun in destiny! Your comment was absolutely accurate when you said there's just far too much cheese in the game 🎯! You absolutely have to balance your game for skill when you start making it easy for anybody to just pick up PVP and play the game by adding simple one hit kill stuff that you literally have to have no skill for all that does is make your game absolutely garbage! Bungie holds the hand of the player way too much and at the end of the day that's why this game has fallen off a cliff! I don't know when skill gap became such a negative topic but skill gap is what makes games better and bungie seems to just want to completely run away from that we want to punish the above average player and literally try to design the game to where any dad who wants to put in one hour a week in destiny can be good at the game! And I'm not trying to sound like some 18-year-old elitist I'm literally 30 but I'm still decently good at the game but all I feel like is the game just punishes me for being a solo player predominantly and not because I can't make friends but because literally all my friends have left the game because they literally hate the experience and I'm the only moron who just recently decided to stop playing!
Mtashed vid!!!!!
HARD agree. It really doesn’t feel like the same game anymore. Abilities are absolutely worse now even though they said they would tone them down. I had lowered my playtime a lot lately, and I was excited for the ‘pvp rework’ but after seeing the details and it being more empty content I’m feeling pretty deflated when it comes to pvp. I feel like they really have given up on it altogether, and are just keeping up appearances as it’s a long standing part of the game. At this point I’d love to see them release a stand-alone pvp game without all the guff, that’s easier to balance and focuses on the amazing gunplay they once had.
They will do anything to PVP but add rewards or content, its ridiculous, and the AE changes are horrible, the gunplay and movement make Destiny and ruining movement is dumb, have not played in months...
@@oldboy4271 Yeah it’s insane, especially because we’re so starved for rewards, the tiniest crumb would be enough lol. All other pvp games have battlepass with participation rewards of skins etc. or challenges to complete for emblems. I’d really like to see them create a challenge board like the seasonal one, but just for pvp. Then they could bury some cosmetic rewards in there like some shaders and emblems.
@@ProfessorBurchh I know it doesn't even have to be that much it just baffles me they wont put in the tiniest effort, apparently a skeleton crew works on PVP, for how much money Bungie generates, which I know a majority is going into building other games, we should have a lot more. I used to be angry, now I am apathetic and just generally confused why no effort is put into PVP or the core of the game, the content is so old at this point, no other game could get away with this....
@@oldboy4271 I don't there is even a PVP team at all. I think crucible just falls under the responsibility of the 'ritual team', which is also going things like strikes/nightfall content and managing gambit. They really do put the absolute minimum effort into PVP these days and it shows.
@@ProfessorBurchh Yeah, I am pretty sure you are right. For how much money this game generates and the Sony deal or whatever its just sad we don't see the money, time, and manpower being put back into the game. People wouldn't get so burnt out on seasonal content if we got content elsewhere. Its weird not nourishing this dedicated player base, guess its all about money and the bare minimum. I really used to get passionate and angry and now I'm just apathetic and have given up, would rather dedicate time to a game that feels more rewarding and respectful of my time. Such a waste when Destiny has like the most potential to be magnificent....😔
Honestly, I would always look forward to your destiny videos and it made me want to play the game because I wanted to try out the guns you would review. Really miss you man!
Miss your destiny content man. It was nice to see you again. Hope things get better for pvp, and hope to see some more destiny content down the road.
I think Bungie just spins a wheel in the office made by an intern every season to decide how they balance this game.
Everything you said was 100% on point, they changed all the aspects of pvp that made it competitive and they also added abilities and stats to the game that were unfair and unfun
Welcome back man. Honestly missed your presence here
Given the state of the game as of now, he’s most likely going to quit again.
Missed ya buddy ❤ this feels right
I haven't touched Destiny 2 in a few months and it's sad to see where the state of the game is. They really need to separate the sandbox between PvP and PvE to make actual change. Also, it was a surprise seeing this pop up even though I discovered you with Genshin!
The sandboxes are actually pretty separated as far as abilities and accuracy penalties go. The problem is that they just keep trying to make it easier to win for people who won't care about crucible no matter how easy it is for them. And if they do start to care about Crucible, they'll very quickly start to see how broken it is and stop playing regardless. Trying to please too many people and end up pleasing none.
What happened? They listened to all the "PVE" players and casuals crying about how much they suck in PVP. Thats what happened.
Mtashed destiny content always makes me happy
love you micheal great seeing you again :)
Happy you came back man. It's unfortunate you came back to it in the state it's in.
keep on making videos like this. you’re the type of creator they’d listen to
Thank God, it's not just me! Missed you, mate!👍
Thank you for speaking up!
Love to watch more variety content
The excitement of seeing the Tash Man post a new Destiny vid!!!
I play D2 because of you, since Season of the Dawn! good to see you back
I can’t believe I saw this come up on my feed. I hope your doing good brother. I love when you make this kind of content but only when you want to
Awesome to see you back man. Your vibe brings so much to the community and to my day 😭 Hopefully they make the next PvP changes with more than 2 brain cells and you can come back to a game you genuinely enjoy. Also you look great!!
Love you TASH man, take it easy and know that we miss you. You’re like that one cousin that we just wanted to see.
It was nice to catch up
The king returns
Mike, missed you my man. I've since moved on from D2 about 8-9 months ago but nice to see you again my brother.
Miss you man! Miss the vids!
MICHAEL. i miss you so much man you mean so much to me and my friends who used to idolize your destiny skills. i quit d2 about 7 months ago because of the burnout, but now that your back maybe i make a comeback. you’re a good man and i will always watch your destiny content :)
Love u stashed good content
You were my favorite Destiny UA-camr starting from D1. I love your take on the meta because I think the same way you do about pvp. If you decide to come back to destiny I will be watching your content.
Good to see you on Destiny again. You used to be one of my favorite D2 creators. And you’ve hit the nail on the head with this.
AHHHH THE MAN IS BACK LETS FUCKING GO
Good too see you back Mtashed. :) As for PvP, lots of it is pretty on the mark. When stasis dropped, I actually quit playing PvP and there was one match in particular that put me over the edge to do it: A 3v3 elim where every single person besides myself had the damn icewall grenade. I call it "fighting in a closet" and that's what it was. Once the first person's grenade proc'ed, the rest of the game was jumping over ice crystals and/or swearing. From that point on, everyone existed in tiny 4 foot by 4 foot areas between ice walls and as soon as one would go down, two more people would throw one and now the only thing that's changed is WHERE the ice walls are, not IF there's ice walls. I have to think it got on everyone else's nerves too because when I came back half a year later, that grenade was still there but I could go days between seeing someone use one in match (Thank god). I'm VERY excited for the upcoming changes, but I'm also hesitant because we've all been doing this long enough to know that Destiny is the "You go from A to B by going backwards to Z, then grind gradually backwards one letter at a time to get to B" game. I love the PvP in this game more than any other game I've ever played and I really hope they get it right with the upcoming changes. Lastly, glad to hear of your success with your "Anime game". Having said that, it would be nice to see you back doing Destiny stuff once in a while like this!
The rumble GOD of old . Pls come back occasionally and play some crucible TASH. We miss you...........
Good vid - agree with a lot of the sentiments. Not sure if I missed it but you missed a NASTY window of aggressive SBMM in many playlists as well.
Yes! Broski is back!🙏😎
We missed you boy
Hope all is well with the fam Tash, great to see you back doing some D2 content again even if it's just a expose on the state of PvP currently 😂✌️🏻
Miss seeing you around the community and the videos always brought an enjoyment to my days but I get what you are saying and as myself a PVE player that doesn't get to raid really dungeons and strikes get old so as I look at the future with LF I don't know if I will purchase or play (been playing mostly since D1 Alpha)
You're right....its the nostalgia that I miss!
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE BACK???