Thanks for sharing. On the subject of size, I like to swim a 2" Cotton Cordell spoon, just below the surface, when the largemouth are chasing shad. And while fishing from a dock recently (for about an hour) I caught three bass, one over 4 and the other two were over 3 pounds. Small bait/big fish.
Thanks for sharing. I've been messing with them for a few years now but not very much. I did get few fish earlier this year when I committed to using the Ned but caught as many crappie as Bass.
I like the weedless blockhead but the 1/16 owner finesse football head is my favorite for small creatures and Ned baits. The 45° vertical line makes it come through grass so well it’s absurd. Its completely replaced my traditional shaky heads as well.
You need to give a Baby Menace a try on your Ned rig. They are lethal for me. The blue craw with red flake is my go to for the Ned. The regular sized Menace in M.M. Moonlight is my year around go to for everything....Carolina Rig, Texas rig, shakey head, jig trailer, and a swing head. That dark purple just catches fish almost all year around
I still have a hard time believing this but a ned rig was the most consistent bait this summer night fishing for me. How they find it the dark blows me away.
I love the Ned in the cooler waters of the Fall and Winter. I have only used the ZMan Finesse TRD though. It sounds like you get plenty of fish with the Ocho but, I like the fact that the TRD stands straight up and, I feel like that action is unbeatable.
My go to for ned rig is a micro tube on a swing head ned. They almost always bite that no matter what situation is. Don't throw small baits like that alot though. Rather catch a big on a swimbait...
The trend coming out of Europe in particular (what many north American fly anglers refer to now as 'Euro techniques'), which is very similar to the small, bottom-bumping, tungsten head, compact baits (which imitate all kinds of bottom living forage, usually things like caddis and stonefly larvae in moving water). It's hard to over-estimate the amount of caddis types of species there are, which live in moving and still water. And the trend in that type of fishing was to go below spec (a regular, all-purpose fly angling rod would be a number five). The Euro guys have gone down to two's and three's regularly, and extended the length of them. Because what they do with their equivalent of a Ned rig is they touch the bottom of the river course with this long, weak type of fishing rod (in some ways, it's not very different from what the ned rigging anglers also do from boat platforms).
This stronger, shorter fishing rod though reminds me more of the other kind of rods that we expanded into. Over the past couple of decades for the feathered baits and flies. Which were those Pike or Musky rods (where a 'five' would be considered a standard, good top water fishing pole with flies, the Pike rods start at around nine and go to twelve or thirteen). I've fished these stronger, shorter rods and they do have their niche. I would tend to agree, that when one is dealing with difficult conditions of any kind. The shorter, stronger fishing rod can be a huge benefit. In our case though, we're talking about rough water conditions (the kinds in a river where the gradient is so steep that you see actual troughs and valley waves of surface water turbulence extending out in front of you). The kind of water where you walk into it, and it washes you away. That's where we use our nine, ten or eleven weight rods in order to search the narrow margins of less agressive water. That form a narrow seam alongside the main 'wash' that is tumbling down on steep gradient.
It is probably the one thing that I would find almost impossible to explain to anglers who spend their lifes out there on flat, horizontal pieces of water. What it's like to fish in water, where the water is sort of going down hill at a diagonal. And the honest truth is, is there are fish that like that water condition (which implies that an angler has to find the right tool to suit that application). And since we came across those fishing rods, that had more spine and brute force to them. We're now able to fish these un-fishable places better. Because it enables us to work with a fishing rod that can still control a bait, even though one shouldn't be able to fish that water. Or in the past, we couldn't have. I'm shocked sometimes at the kinds of water where you can catch fish in. As long as one can put the fly into a small area (and that's why a rod with strength is needed to control the bait in those conditions).
Anglers who fish surf breaks on saltwater beaches are super familiar with this (the striped bass anglers of Long Island Sound go out literarlly in wet suits, it's a combination between swimming and fishing). However, in the arena of freshwater bass angling. The so-called 'ledge' fishing that anglers do in current seams on the Tennessee river lakes is the same thing. Where fish are able to locate those areas of under-water structure which enable them to take advantage of current, and still conserve energy whilst being in those places. It's very much the same thing, as all of the above.
Thanks Todd hope all is well .I have been going back and forth with my set ups.I use 15# braid to 10# sniper . The spinning rods I go back and forth with are,med /hvy or med / lite .I feel the lighter power cast a little better,but not much backbone fighting fish.Really like the med / hvy for handling like you said.What would you recommend ?Middle ground with a med.?
Hey Todd! I’m a finesse guy at heart, so love the Ned. My problem is I have too many baits. lol. However is the spring my fav is trd bugz on a ewg 1/8. I like owner blockhead, but my fav is the Flatlands tackle ewg.
Looks like I'll be rigging a baby dbomb just like that thanks brother oh one more thing ........ I guess I've been living under a rock I never knew mark Zona fished for team lews awesome
I reel that ocho through the water column , really slow, for smallmouth. They just load up on it. Seems like, on my lake, they want to hit something moving.
Todd, so what you're saying is, stock up on the Owner offset Blockhead. Since you're letting the cat out of the bag, they will soon be on backorder like the Haymaker... 😜
Now you did it! There are tons of guys out there, that have sworn the Ned is a sissy bait, and would never touch it. They still won't admit it, but after this video they will sneak out and try it. You really opened the door buddy,... when they figure out the color deal, it will be all over!
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 oh don’t get me wrong I can wear em out with a ned, but typically (emphasis on typically) when it’s a tough enough bite to fish a Ned yet good enough that you’ll catch 20#’s and 50 fish there is usually something that is much more fun to fish with that is also getting bit just as good or close enough to just as good to justify it. Like a finesse paddle tail, imotion baits, Biwa rig, a Duo BR rig, or Duo drag metal spoon, hybrid shad baits, blade baits, etc which are much more fun fish. Or going the complete other way with something like a hudd trout, osakana swimmer or lc trash fish. To be clear I’m also not blind casting a Ned either. That would be terrible. I’ve even had a couple 30# bags on the high density/specific gravity baits and it was fun but was also super painful. Waiting on it to get to 20-30’ on a weightless hook seems like an eternity. They do good on a
I’m from Kansas City where the ned rig was invented well technically it was from Lawrence ks but we were fishing it two or three years before it blew up now I don’t even throw it anymore. But it still works I guess
So I get the "regular" Ned but the weed less one why is that better than just Texas rigging that same plastic? I guess I never understood why a shakey head is better than Texas rigging a stright tail worm. I get they different but I can't wrap my head around a fish choosing one over the other.
You can't go wrong on owner hooks, I've been using them ever since the neg rig came out, because I had a hard time with the shroom hooks from zman, I started with the open hook type but when I changed to texas style my bites increased big time, I've been using the finesse ball head jig 2/0 3/16, it's made just like the blockheads but with a ball, & I use a baitcaster with 15lb flurocarbon, & it does great, I've caught over 100 bass in one area several times, on the tn river!👍🎣
Off-topic question; What’s your thoughts on contingency payout for team events? Say you’ve got the boat that you get the contingency check for, you paid the hundred thousand dollars for the boat, do you still split the contingency check with your partner?
We both have boats so yes, we fish out of which boat at the time gets paid better on which tournament. If its all your boat and you've paid everything on it and your partner dosent have a boat, I have zero problem with you taking all the contingency money.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 Very cool! I didn’t realize you were replying to the comments. I’m going to try flipping some of these Ned rigs with smaller craw-style baits, here in south-central Florida. I’d love to get your take on Florida fishing (the typical known lakes….Okeechobee, Toho/Kissimmee & Harris Chains). Being from Ohio I’m still trying to figure it out. It’s so dramatically different from midwestern fishing that it seems a bit daunting. Would love to get your take on how you fish jigs. Which jigs, your retrieve, etc…. It’s the one bait I just can’t figure out. Thanks for the personal reply, Todd!
Sometimes I'm more interested by what you don't say in a video. No mention about different head weights. Not sure if Owner only makes a standard weight, but I have found my Ned success went way up by changing the weight I throw.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thanks man. Good to know. I struggle with deciding what pound test to use on my spinning gear. I tend to still want the 30lb braid and a smaller leader. But looks like I need to step it down per your suggestions. Thanks Todd.
My problem with ned rig is everyone that does video as far as fishing one, they treat it like a jig or Shakey head.... my question to you is do you follow Ned kadhi (spelling). He claims he reels it slow mostly, not hop it
I agree that watching someone stare at a screen is boring. I don't have live scope, I would like to try it but it's not in the budget. Most people have their opinion and won't change no matter what. I was in line at the store last week and the woman in front of me said that Trump really won the election. Not trying to go political, just saying that many people believe what they believe with or without any facts to back it up. I agree with you. Time to use your videos doing what you do best
For the 50 years I have bass fishing, it has been said that artificial baits represent some type of minnow, or a craw. I learned that minnows and craws are just a readily available "ho hum" food, and everything else is a delicacy.... so why match the hatch of a "ho hum" food, when delicacies are all sizes and shapes and primarily one color?
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 yes I hear you me and my fishing buddies love our baitcasters but there are times when you need that spinning gear no question .
If it helps catch more fish, then by all means, we need to ban the ned rig. We need to get on the "ban it wagon". Just kidding. I've never fished a ned rig.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I was being sarcastic. But yes you are 100 percent correct. I get tired of hearing so much about banning things. Not just in fishing, but everyday life and living.
You contine to drop the most informative videos of anyone producing fishing content!
Thanks for sharing. On the subject of size, I like to swim a 2" Cotton Cordell spoon, just below the surface, when the largemouth are chasing shad. And while fishing from a dock recently (for about an hour) I caught three bass, one over 4 and the other two were over 3 pounds. Small bait/big fish.
Like the Zman finesse bullet head for heavier cover applications but need to check out the owner line up
Thanks for sharing. I've been messing with them for a few years now but not very much. I did get few fish earlier this year when I committed to using the Ned but caught as many crappie as Bass.
The front deck of your boat when you was showing fishing footage looked like mine last weekend on Toledo. I had rods all over the place... LOL
I like the weedless blockhead but the 1/16 owner finesse football head is my favorite for small creatures and Ned baits. The 45° vertical line makes it come through grass so well it’s absurd. Its completely replaced my traditional shaky heads as well.
You need to give a Baby Menace a try on your Ned rig. They are lethal for me. The blue craw with red flake is my go to for the Ned. The regular sized Menace in M.M. Moonlight is my year around go to for everything....Carolina Rig, Texas rig, shakey head, jig trailer, and a swing head. That dark purple just catches fish almost all year around
I still have a hard time believing this but a ned rig was the most consistent bait this summer night fishing for me. How they find it the dark blows me away.
I love the Ned in the cooler waters of the Fall and Winter. I have only used the ZMan Finesse TRD though. It sounds like you get plenty of fish with the Ocho but, I like the fact that the TRD stands straight up and, I feel like that action is unbeatable.
And durable for sure
Looking at the Pro TI rods. I prefer a 6'10" rod. Can you give us your explanation of 'fast' vs. 'extra fast' and how the 6'10" differs from the 7'0"
Best straight up video on Ned Rig. I learned a ton. One questions, in cover, why a Ned over a shaky head? Is it just personal preference?
My go to for ned rig is a micro tube on a swing head ned. They almost always bite that no matter what situation is. Don't throw small baits like that alot though. Rather catch a big on a swimbait...
We have a similar fishing rod to that for flies, and it's not a long rod but it's a lot stronger. Some refer to them as Pike or Musky rods.
The trend coming out of Europe in particular (what many north American fly anglers refer to now as 'Euro techniques'), which is very similar to the small, bottom-bumping, tungsten head, compact baits (which imitate all kinds of bottom living forage, usually things like caddis and stonefly larvae in moving water). It's hard to over-estimate the amount of caddis types of species there are, which live in moving and still water. And the trend in that type of fishing was to go below spec (a regular, all-purpose fly angling rod would be a number five). The Euro guys have gone down to two's and three's regularly, and extended the length of them. Because what they do with their equivalent of a Ned rig is they touch the bottom of the river course with this long, weak type of fishing rod (in some ways, it's not very different from what the ned rigging anglers also do from boat platforms).
This stronger, shorter fishing rod though reminds me more of the other kind of rods that we expanded into. Over the past couple of decades for the feathered baits and flies. Which were those Pike or Musky rods (where a 'five' would be considered a standard, good top water fishing pole with flies, the Pike rods start at around nine and go to twelve or thirteen). I've fished these stronger, shorter rods and they do have their niche. I would tend to agree, that when one is dealing with difficult conditions of any kind. The shorter, stronger fishing rod can be a huge benefit. In our case though, we're talking about rough water conditions (the kinds in a river where the gradient is so steep that you see actual troughs and valley waves of surface water turbulence extending out in front of you). The kind of water where you walk into it, and it washes you away. That's where we use our nine, ten or eleven weight rods in order to search the narrow margins of less agressive water. That form a narrow seam alongside the main 'wash' that is tumbling down on steep gradient.
It is probably the one thing that I would find almost impossible to explain to anglers who spend their lifes out there on flat, horizontal pieces of water. What it's like to fish in water, where the water is sort of going down hill at a diagonal. And the honest truth is, is there are fish that like that water condition (which implies that an angler has to find the right tool to suit that application). And since we came across those fishing rods, that had more spine and brute force to them. We're now able to fish these un-fishable places better. Because it enables us to work with a fishing rod that can still control a bait, even though one shouldn't be able to fish that water. Or in the past, we couldn't have. I'm shocked sometimes at the kinds of water where you can catch fish in. As long as one can put the fly into a small area (and that's why a rod with strength is needed to control the bait in those conditions).
Anglers who fish surf breaks on saltwater beaches are super familiar with this (the striped bass anglers of Long Island Sound go out literarlly in wet suits, it's a combination between swimming and fishing). However, in the arena of freshwater bass angling. The so-called 'ledge' fishing that anglers do in current seams on the Tennessee river lakes is the same thing. Where fish are able to locate those areas of under-water structure which enable them to take advantage of current, and still conserve energy whilst being in those places. It's very much the same thing, as all of the above.
Thanks Todd hope all is well .I have been going back and forth with my set ups.I use 15# braid to 10# sniper . The spinning rods I go back and forth with are,med /hvy or med / lite .I feel the lighter power cast a little better,but not much backbone fighting fish.Really like the med / hvy for handling like you said.What would you recommend ?Middle ground with a med.?
Hey Todd! I’m a finesse guy at heart, so love the Ned. My problem is I have too many baits. lol. However is the spring my fav is trd bugz on a ewg 1/8. I like owner blockhead, but my fav is the Flatlands tackle ewg.
Right on!
Looks like I'll be rigging a baby dbomb just like that thanks brother oh one more thing ........ I guess I've been living under a rock I never knew mark Zona fished for team lews awesome
Spinning rod Todd is my favorite new character.
😂
I reel that ocho through the water column , really slow, for smallmouth. They just load up on it. Seems like, on my lake, they want to hit something moving.
Love the videos and I am learning a ton, but i would like more on the water teaching if you can.
I am I’ve just been fishing tournaments so hadn’t had a chance really, should have some time over the next couple of months
The tournaments are what we want to learn from. Real life experiences!
Thanks for sharing, I've been hard headed, I need to get me some ned rigs!
Weedless EWG Ned head with a five inch junebug speed worm is my back-up go to on my spinning rod
interesting
Todd, so what you're saying is, stock up on the Owner offset Blockhead. Since you're letting the cat out of the bag, they will soon be on backorder like the Haymaker... 😜
Great video... What size box you use for your soft plastic ned lues?
Mr Todd. How do you keep
Those plastics from melting together in the summer stored that way. Great video as always.
Not sure but I know its hot and they don't melt
Now you did it! There are tons of guys out there, that have sworn the Ned is a sissy bait, and would never touch it. They still won't admit it, but after this video they will sneak out and try it. You really opened the door buddy,... when they figure out the color deal, it will be all over!
When the bite goes Ned rig, I go to crappie. Lol
Pouring bleach in my eyes sound more enjoyable than Ned fishing for largemouths.
thats beause your doing all wrong😂😂 when you start catching 20 pounds a day and over 50 fish its pretty fun
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 oh don’t get me wrong I can wear em out with a ned, but typically (emphasis on typically) when it’s a tough enough bite to fish a Ned yet good enough that you’ll catch 20#’s and 50 fish there is usually something that is much more fun to fish with that is also getting bit just as good or close enough to just as good to justify it. Like a finesse paddle tail, imotion baits, Biwa rig, a Duo BR rig, or Duo drag metal spoon, hybrid shad baits, blade baits, etc which are much more fun fish. Or going the complete other way with something like a hudd trout, osakana swimmer or lc trash fish.
To be clear I’m also not blind casting a Ned either. That would be terrible. I’ve even had a couple 30# bags on the high density/specific gravity baits and it was fun but was also super painful. Waiting on it to get to 20-30’ on a weightless hook seems like an eternity. They do good on a
I agree, I catch the hell out of them on Logan Martin with Neds but absolutely hate throwing it
How do you not break your rods? The rods are all over your deck. Thanks for the great video
4:49 He said you wanna it to be STIFF lol!
I’m from Kansas City where the ned rig was invented well technically it was from Lawrence ks but we were fishing it two or three years before it blew up now I don’t even throw it anymore. But it still works I guess
Greetings from the BIG SKY. I'll see.
It is Charlie Brewer Slider Fishing
You just made Matt Pangracs year. 😢
😂
So I get the "regular" Ned but the weed less one why is that better than just Texas rigging that same plastic? I guess I never understood why a shakey head is better than Texas rigging a stright tail worm. I get they different but I can't wrap my head around a fish choosing one over the other.
I’m for sure gonna flip that weedless one more in lay downs. Just switch stuff up
I doubted the ned until I tried it. 8 years later there's always one in my boat. Caught a 9.8 last December 30 on one in 30ft of water and 6lb line. B
You can't go wrong on owner hooks, I've been using them ever since the neg rig came out, because I had a hard time with the shroom hooks from zman, I started with the open hook type but when I changed to texas style my bites increased big time, I've been using the finesse ball head jig 2/0 3/16, it's made just like the blockheads but with a ball, & I use a baitcaster with 15lb flurocarbon, & it does great, I've caught over 100 bass in one area several times, on the tn river!👍🎣
Todd I need you to take his down the block head is hard enough to get as it don't need more trying to get
that's some bass catching juice!!!!
I may have missed it…what size Ned Head do you like to throw for all around?
I didn’t really say, heavier the deeper I go is really all you need to know.
Off-topic question;
What’s your thoughts on contingency payout for team events? Say you’ve got the boat that you get the contingency check for, you paid the hundred thousand dollars for the boat, do you still split the contingency check with your partner?
70/30
We both have boats so yes, we fish out of which boat at the time gets paid better on which tournament. If its all your boat and you've paid everything on it and your partner dosent have a boat, I have zero problem with you taking all the contingency money.
What weight in the offset head?
When he says "down here", where is he from? Anyone?
Texas
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 Very cool! I didn’t realize you were replying to the comments. I’m going to try flipping some of these Ned rigs with smaller craw-style baits, here in south-central Florida. I’d love to get your take on Florida fishing (the typical known lakes….Okeechobee, Toho/Kissimmee & Harris Chains). Being from Ohio I’m still trying to figure it out. It’s so dramatically different from midwestern fishing that it seems a bit daunting. Would love to get your take on how you fish jigs. Which jigs, your retrieve, etc…. It’s the one bait I just can’t figure out. Thanks for the personal reply, Todd!
The Only Jig You Ever Need (Jig Modifications)
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The SECRET is out (Strike King's Hybrid Hunter)
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Better throw this if your going to Florida in the grass
They are fun here in the north country 😂
Sometimes I'm more interested by what you don't say in a video. No mention about different head weights. Not sure if Owner only makes a standard weight, but I have found my Ned success went way up by changing the weight I throw.
Throw a ned rig around points and docks at Lake Norman and you can catch fish allllll day. Gotta have elaztech though, save you some money.
I will say you get on some of these techniques of catching fish like crazy it does fell like you can got through some baits. Not a bad problem to have
Hypermag drag system is the best in the lineup, period.
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What's your line on the "heavier" ti setup? Are you still 12 to 10 leader or do you step it up to like a 17 to 12 or 14 leader?
No still running the same setup, 12 to 10
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 thanks man. Good to know. I struggle with deciding what pound test to use on my spinning gear. I tend to still want the 30lb braid and a smaller leader. But looks like I need to step it down per your suggestions. Thanks Todd.
Does it work in stained water say 1’ to 2’ visibility
Yes, is it as good, hard to say but I have never seen it not work
Ned rigs have been a "secret" since the early 1990's
My problem with ned rig is everyone that does video as far as fishing one, they treat it like a jig or Shakey head.... my question to you is do you follow Ned kadhi (spelling). He claims he reels it slow mostly, not hop it
4:31 I am not sure what he said there Yojo? Yo? Brand? Name? Can any one Clarify please?
Good stuff
Appreciate it
I agree that watching someone stare at a screen is boring. I don't have live scope, I would like to try it but it's not in the budget. Most people have their opinion and won't change no matter what. I was in line at the store last week and the woman in front of me said that Trump really won the election. Not trying to go political, just saying that many people believe what they believe with or without any facts to back it up. I agree with you. Time to use your videos doing what you do best
For the 50 years I have bass fishing, it has been said that artificial baits represent some type of minnow, or a craw. I learned that minnows and craws are just a readily available "ho hum" food, and everything else is a delicacy.... so why match the hatch of a "ho hum" food, when delicacies are all sizes and shapes and primarily one color?
Didnt I see you and one of your buddies horse laughing at people using these kind of baits not long ago on one of your videos ?
We joke with our buddies all the time about spinning rods and things like that. I throw them but its just fun to pick on certain guys about them.
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 yes I hear you me and my fishing buddies love our baitcasters but there are times when you need that spinning gear no question .
i love owner and trokar hooks they are the sharpest
If it helps catch more fish, then by all means, we need to ban the ned rig. We need to get on the "ban it wagon". Just kidding. I've never fished a ned rig.
It seems if something is good someone wants to ban it. 😂😂
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I was being sarcastic. But yes you are 100 percent correct. I get tired of hearing so much about banning things. Not just in fishing, but everyday life and living.
Say it ain’t so 😂
Got me to watch lol
Menace on a weedless ned. $$$ maker
About 4 years late on this topic dude.
I know, I know, everyone is throwing it and catching fish, but I just can not make myself throw that stupid thing.....................................
First day I threw and figured it out I caught about 50 so……
🤢🤮 Ned fishing
Wait till I release some more videos on it, its crazy how good its been
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I believe you but I just can't bring myself to do it 😂
@@kwd1253😂
Guarantee you I'm throwing a bait in a configuration that no one else is.