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Sony Lover vs. Sony Hater- when Jason Lanier met the Angry Photographer Ken Wheeler
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2017
- Join Jason Lanier as he meets his longtime critic Ken Wheeler the Angry Photographer at Murphy's Camera in Lexington, Kentucky! PLEASE THUMBS UP, SHARE, LEAVE A COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE!
This is the first time Jason and Ken have met after years of talking about each other online. In this meeting that occurred in Ken's hometown of Lexington, the two discuss many topics including:
*Sony mirrorless
*Overheating
*Review of the Sony A9
*Jason being bought off by Sony
*Sony G Master lenses
*And just talking good old photography
This is something that Jason asked Ken to do so they could bury the hatchet and provide an example to the industry of putting differences aside and finding common ground.
We hope you enjoy it and make sure to stay on the lookout for the shoot they do together. It is gonna be special.
Thanks!
Jason Lanier Photography
well, this didn't age well.
Jeremy O. Indeed! 😂😂
Right!
Why??
@@allisart9937 troll war.
Love that you guys are coming together after the years of controversy. Much respect!
Deep Desire - NO
I've been waiting forever!
What we saw in this video was two individuals who passionately hold different opinions, derived from their experiences, coming together and through civil conversation were able to come to the point of "achieving disagreement". They realized they didn't have to agree on everything. This is different from when we hear that "we'll just have to agree to disagree", often a means of simply dismissing the other person and their passionately held viewpoint.
"Achieving disagreement" involves listening carefully. It requires effort, and can, at times, even be a bit uncomfortable.
The first payoff of this approach is the realization that these men can share the path in their community, in their state and in their country.
And the second payoff is the realization that having the ability to share the path in their community is more important than being right!
What a refreshing concept. Bravo, guys.
No, what we saw was two individuals who passionately hold different opinions, one rolled over and had his tummy tickled and lost all respect.
Its like pro wrestling they appear to hate each other kick the shit out of each other for 20 minutes and then go to Denny's and pig out talk over what the plan is next week.
Ken is a really nice guy off camera. He has spent 45 minutes with me on the phone twice talking about lenses as I was building my collection. Love him or hate him, he is very knowledgeable about Nikon cameras and glass.
Keith Davis I highly value Ken’s opinion on Nikon glass. I came across his videos by searching best Nikon lenses and I started my collection with his recommendations. That tokina 100 mm F2.8 is phenomenal, the Nikon 35-70mm f2.8D is the cats meow and I am so glad that I watch those videosHe goes both ways on best lenses for budget or expensive lenses and I appreciate that he did that. Yeah I know he don’t like some peoples opinions but whom I to say that he should respect other peoples opinions. But my collection of glass has been greatly Improve based on his recommendations.
@@LMActionsports Ken is crazy he spews out bull shit he is crazy nothing he say's are relevant
@@a_chillrend5899 I cannot agree
Ken is a nice guy let me tell you something to be honest with you I don't like the Sony plastic cameras another thing is speak another camera in a month and then the following months because for Sony is old business so be smart you fools you going to start buying Sony cameras every month cuz every month they will come out with something different spend your money you fools
He is really apologizing. Good for him. Respect. He looks like an entirely different person.
yup really looks like a genuine hypocrite ;p i hope he stops doing what he does and just take pictures instead ;p i hope this will humble jason some more coz we all know how much full of himself he can become sometimes(most of the time ;p)
Jason is not really humble eather he just pretend to be humble.
Laurent Outang why are you still watching Lanier videos, yet you comment and hate on each of his videos. What's up?
Lee Johnson thanks Lee. This is just trolls commenting trying to stir stuff up. They can't stand a UA-cam world without drama.
It's not hate I just don't think that you are humble when you make an entire video about how a great guy you are.
Jason, that was great of you to do this meet and greet.... i give you credit for confronting a person with open hands and not fist.
"Ken has asked his subscribers to be polite and not to call JL names"
Through a smirk and a wink.
peta ward he says it all the time in live streams, your 100% right Peta
Mar
The Angry photography might get angry sometimes, he is still one of the first that kindly commented on my profile. An heart behind the rock :P
The fact that you both can speak, and talk gear, and admit faults, and, promote photography is a big deal. Kudos to you both
Brent Rivers yeap, was hoping for this to happn..fro and tony should be nx in my opinion. We have way too much beef all over so we could use a big amount of harmony in life
Never thought I'd see a video like this. Good on you Jason.
This was beautiful, really touched me! This is what it is all about, finding common ground, reason, getting along, and supporting our community! Wish I could give two thumbs up! Love the both of you guys! Mad props to Jason for initiating and reaching out to Ken to drop the beef you both had......now its time to move on and continue to make great informative videos that helps us all as a whole.
I admire and applaud you for reaching out in this way. likewise, the same to Ken Wheeler for accepting your reaching out to him.
Awesome to see you guys together. I watch both your videos. The diversity makes you both great photo experts. Keep up the great videos guys!
this is aweome, im glad you both were able to do this.
sometimes in life we must agree to disagree ...& that is fine but as long as you agree to that... Well done Jason & Ken ..respect to you both
i'd love to try the xt2 ..its supose to be a fantastic camera..
Never seen AngryPhotographer in 4k lol
I like both of these guys very much. Jason travels all over the world and takes pictures of beautiful models and he has 178,000 subscribers as of right now. Ken on the other hand says behind a table and just talks about gear and he has almost 100,000 subscribers. Each one of these guys is very good at what they do. This was a great video.
Very good Jason and Ken !
Jason is the person that made me switch from Nikon And Ken Introduced me to Fuji and I use both now and love them. I felt like this war made no sense. both camera manufacturers are amazing. Will not be getting rid of my XT2 or A7RII the only gripe I have is that Sony takes a little longer to give updates.
Courtney Chen how image quality between them?
this is one of the best videos I've seen so far the angry photographer has really earned a lot of my respect after seeing this he seems like he's become more of a Down to Earth person. this video was great because the fact that two people who disagree can finally coexist and share the passion for photography is the reason that this is one of the greatest videos on UA-cam.
Great to see you will both work together for the greater good! All great points you both make. It is our differences that help the camera designers and manufacturers raise their bar on great product.
Honestly, its the only 30 minute video that i watched straight, unskipped, on my data plan (didn't wait to get home to watch thru wifi). big kudos to these two to finally make a video showing mutual respect for the love of photography. awesome collaboration!. Jason handled the guesting very well as well ken's honest answers. good job to you both!
Back for another watch, in case it gets taken down. Sad turn of events this week, Gosh humanity. Viva Fedora Nation 🙏📸🌍
Great job both of you! I never thought I would see both of you sit down together and have a respectful conversation - especially the Angry Photographer. Kudos to you Ken. You might have to change the name of your channel ;). What a great example of respecting each others' differences. Both of you have valuable things to share and so many people appreciate your content. Thank you for setting this great example.
What we saw in this video was two individuals who passionately hold different opinions, derived from their experiences, coming together and through civil conversation were able to come to the point of "achieving disagreement". They realized they didn't have to agree on everything. This is different from when we hear that "we'll just have to agree to disagree", often a means of simply dismissing the other person and their passionately held viewpoint.
"Achieving disagreement" involves listening carefully. It requires effort, and can, at times, even be a bit uncomfortable.
The first payoff of this approach is the realization that these men can share the path in their community, in their state and in their country.
And the second payoff is the realization that having the ability to share the path in their community is more important than being right!
What a refreshing concept. Bravo, guys.
Never in a million years did I expect you to make this happen. Jason, kudos to you for never crossing the line against Ken (as he did to you so many times). That alone made this even remotely possible. Bravo guys! everyone wins.
This is a great video. Ken is hands down the most interesting person on UA-cam making videos on cameras and photography. He is a natural and it's no wonder he has 100k subscribers. That number will keep going up. Glad to see that Jason reached out to him and made this excellent video. I look forward to more videos like this in the future. Many thanks..
You said it. Thank you Jason. Thank you Ken. Keep on keeping on. ;)
I'd actually like to see the two of them go head to head on a lot of future product reviews.
It’s disheartening how many people buy into his whining and utter bullshit
Come late to this but im guessing you havent seen samples of Kens photography, its difficult to find basically because its rubbish:)
tony james it’s even more difficult to find photos he actually took himself. Mostly he steals people’s unmarked photos and passes them off as his own. The guy is a hack to the highest degree
even if Jason was being paid and bought for, he has the work to back him up. glad to see videos like these, just two people talking and not just trolling each other.
Damn. It's disheartening to see Ken come across as so uncomfortable. He seems almost intimidated. Kudos to him for going out of his element so much for this, but I was definitely hoping he'd stand his ground a bit more and break down why he believes what he believes instead of being immediately conciliatory.
Bullies 101: They look tough until someone goes head to head with them.
Of course he is uncomfortable, he isn't shouting non-sense behind his camera alone in a room.
Isn't Ken in his favorite camera shop? It's his turf.
peta ward if you think Ken has an iota of integrity you are a chump. Jason spanked his ass and he looks like a beaten puppy. Called out on his bullshit.
There were no assistants at this meeting. Jason was on his own here.
ding ding ding! YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
For a guy who follows both of you, this is great!! Jason, I applaud you for taking your time and effort to make this happen!
What's next. Jason meets Ken Rockwell? I propose a series, Jason's candid conversations with top famous and infamous photographers.
Not to sound negative, but does the Angry Photographer really shoot? I seen a couple of his images and.. Well..... Meh.
Brandon Guise yeah he shoots but his shots suck. I don't particularly like JL either but he is a decent photographer at least
See I'm here because I love JL's work. I've tried to bring his style into my own over the last couple years.
I'm not that GREAT but its coming along and I think his lighting techniques have taught me a lot and gotten me a lot farther than I would otherwise..
mavfan1 master of magnetism? His pseudo science is a slap in the face to every scientist out there. He is not far from a flat earther
AMA ... I don't think "photographer" should even make the list.
If you watching him for photography tips then you doing it wrong, you should watch him what is valuable and worth your money. I own 2 nikons and fuji and before investing into fuji I wanted to go for sony but thing is it it's too expensive for what I get and I rather would have older technology camera with 3 lenses and some lighting then greatest and latest with single lens.
Jason..great video, glad you gave the opportunity to have us listen to this conversation..Gear wars need to end and let all get back to shooting great shots and learn techniques
Enjoyed the video. Happy to see the chairs stayed put. lol
BTW... this is why I will admit to being a REAL JL fan. Dude is EXTREMELY cool and he even got me to reconsider my opinion of the Angry Guy.....
This is the best you tube video ever. If there were awards i would vote for it. Jason i have massive respect for everything you do but i never in my lifetime expected you to make Ken so humble.. i watch his videos and sometimes he makes me mad and sometimes he has a point. But i never would expect him to be (not sure what to say here ) so ..... it was great to see that maybe you could be bessies, doubt it. But moving forward i hope Ken has a more balanced view on things and stop being a hater.
Carl Cooper exactly, why constantly being a hater.
This is great. I discovered Jason a few years back when I got into the Sony system. Then, I found Fuji and found Ken. Great to see you come together. These are just freaking cameras. Pure subjectivity. Keep it up guys.
Big respect and well done to you both for coming together and fighting for friendship, respect and any conflict resolution that was real or misrepresented.
Beautiful humility by Ken and truly courageous work Jason... I just totally love everything you do man. Thank you Jason!
I would have never in my life imagined that these two would be in the same room. kudos!
Good interview. Nobody shied away from talking about past issues, both did it honestly and respectfully. Looking forward to seeing how this all goes going forward.
kenny... when you going to bury the hatchet with chelsea Northrup?
Down Town 😂
Whenever Tony retracks that larger sensors gather more light...
Down Town fuck that.
Down Town What happened with them?
Do you have a link to the video where they shared some hate? I had no idea, give us a link so we can check it out, thanks!
The walking Sony advertisement vs the walking Nikon advertisement.
The difference is Jason shows his work and doesn't talk crap about other company's. Yeah he promotes Sony maybe a little much but he does back it up.
skatertwig26 i dont like either of them but true, he does have work to show
fuji not Nikon
Riley J.B. He is one of those guys that still thinks he is 20
Bruce Maddox and Lanier is a good enough photographer/youtuber he could be sponsored by any camera company and he chooses Sony, end of story. If you think not then you know ZERO/nothing about the industry. You may not like Lanier but he produces great results
Great video Jason! Good to see you two coming together and really getting together!
I'm actually a person who follows both of you. Jason I actually met you when you came to Pasadena, Ca at Samy's Camera. I'm glad to see the both of you talking about what I love the most. Photography!!!!!!
fantastic, great to see some democratic conversations in a world full of idiocracy. all the best to both of you.
Negative comment
Great meeting guys! I just want to see both of you trade hats! :-)
Awesome Jason, there's a lot of people out there that can learn from this kind of meetings. Another reason to keep following your channel.
Ken went numb,lol. Put in his place by a real photographer,lol.
I will say Jason gets out there and shoots all the time and actually shows his work unlike Ken...... Ken has a lot of knowledge on the technical side of cameras but he's definitely not a photographer. I love how he always says he has been outside shooting all day or shooting for hours and hours...I'm thinking what the hell are you shooting all day and never comes back with any pictures to show unless it's a raw file and he says he's just testing a lens or camera in that case....He is not doing any serious shooting with it or paid work.....I think he's scared to show a final image he took since he's not a photographer and just knows the technical aspects of it.....
Ken TALKS Sony down all the time, now we see a different side of Ken., where he admits he is an actor....Ken's credibility is now seriously in question.....Lanier can say what he wants, he is bought and paid for by Sony......
YT's biggest liar....
Bravo guys!! I'm glad both of you made the video. I really do enjoy the details in your videos. I look forward to see the others👍👍👏👏👏
Congrats guys on clearing the air between each other. Like PhotoJoseph and Max Yuryev, it's awesome to see not only UA-camrs, but two photographers sort out their differences regardless of differing opinions.
its like when the bloods and crips made a peace treaty
Round of applause!
I hadn't seen the actual controversy between these two, but this is great - seeing two people who had argued on the internet get together in person and be nice to eachother.
It's been a long time coming but finally a sensible agreement from both and mutual respect. So uplifting to see some love towards each other. What's next....
Uncle Fester and Chris Angel of photography.
Great video. Classy across board
I follow BOTH of you!! You BOTH offer a difference of opinion and that is good. Jason, you offer an artistic view and Ken, you are more of a technical guy. I could never choose between either of you as I have gotten great tips from your youtube videos. Jason, I would LOVE to be able to take the pictures you take, I just don't have that good of an eye. However, I have bought some of the equipment that Ken has recommended and it has helped me tremendously!! You two should get together more often!! Maybe an "angry/happy photographer" page?
I was expecting an unstoppable force meeting an immoveable object, but you guys were very cordial and agreeable with each other. Setting a good example for all of us.
I'll give the Angry Dude credit for being REAL and admitting a LOT of things in this video. THAT was totally unexpected.
I watch the AP because he knows what he is talking about regards cameras and lenses, I discovered JL through watching AP so thank you for that AP, there is a lot of haters here and that is sad. Both these guys have their own opinions and if I am buying a piece of equipment I take account of their views but in the end I decide what is best for me and my budget. If you guys don't like these guys then don't watch them. I think it was good that these guys could sit down together and discuss or disagree like sensible adults, it is only photography and equipment and people should remember that.
Well done you guys hope you share information/ views and opinions more often.
Regards
Alex
Hammy Hunting thank you!
This is, for me, one of the best videos of both authors because it shows what kind of people are. Only great people are capable of doing something like this, congratulations.
Fantastic video! It's great seeing you two come together like this and spray some positivity!
Bravo Jason! Bravo Ken! Next chapter.
didnt know AP had legs, cause you know, hes always sitting down.
Ya, but open toe sandals? Ouch, that is a male no -no! :-)
Phil Indeblanc Ken is a bit of a monk. So he lives in those sandles :)
David Celaya ya, I know :-) He wears labeled clothing...can't expect much fashion sense out of such, most of the time.
sandals with socks is a male no. sandals with no socks is ok
Dmitry Brodsky there is no such thing as cute male toes☺️
I loved this video. Haven't looked forward to anything on UA-cam more than this.
Great video! Awesome to finally see the two of you together!
Maybe the Palestinians and Israelis can get together!!
***** , yes, the Palestinians have been given a raw deal, but too often your leaders have embraced violence as the way to address your legitimate grievances. I have thought for sometime that the example of Ghandi in India would be a more effective approach.
***** I apologize; no offense intended.
They will eventually, but maybe not as you expect it.
At 5:45 you can see Ken think, "Well, you are a shill."
Jason, you've made a good point about overheating. In that1cameraguy's video he was using the Sigma 120-300 f/2.8 adapted through MC-11. That combination is probably consuming more power than all the native lenses and hence the overheat.
What happened to the 4 minute buffer? Havn't heard you mention that in a while, expected it to be brought up this time.
A con-artist and sociopath walk into a camera store..
Woah !! Epic 🤗👍🏼🙌🏼🏆
Glad you guys got together. Both of you have helped me in my new found love of photography! Thanks for all you do for us.
It doesn't matter what camera you shoot with as long as your happy with the results. Tired of comments from people discounting another's point of view. Glad you guys came together. Keep shooting. Like watching both your channels.
You can see the jealousy flow
Jason the 'peacemaker' - hats off to you brother.
I would like to thank both of you guys for coming together 😂😂😂!!! Never thought I would see this, I was literally moved to see these polar opposites in the same video! 🎊🎉🎊
Amen! Great to see Jason's humble heart and Ken's friendly spirit and demeaner joined together for this shoot...Blessings to you both!!
Lets crowd source and get Ken a A9 and some glass.
Or let Jason call Sony and make it happen ;-)
yes ... i hate Sony too ... send me an A9 to 'convert' me as well ...
This is fantastic.
ftbalz both guys are great..and we can coexist in a world of division and rants..
Question: Is it a good time to purchase a Sony A7RII? Is 3 years old so it's bound to be refreshed. What are your thoughts?
Ken, glad to see you guys getting along. I'm in Lexington right now with my D500 and had no idea you lived here. Any chance to meet up Saturday morning to talk about Nikon's future? Mike
I own a nikon and I'm a massive Jason fan so.... 😝🤘
Top 10 anime betrayals of all time
This conversation, between 2 photographers, is reminiscent of my days in Photography class in 1973, when a Pentax 35mm film shooter and a Yashica film shooter, debate on which brand is better. I was the Yashica shooter. What does your meet up mean? It means photography matters!
This is unbelievable! Much respect to both of you all. This is how real men do it! Put the differences aside, come together if possible and make peace (UA-cam love). I never thought this would be possible. I like both of you all channels and wish the other UA-camrs (Tony Nothrup, Jared Polan, Matt Granger, etc.) could chime in also in a gathering like this. This is beautiful!
Why does JL look like a rapper from 2008 and TAP look like he just raided Dick's Sporting Goods?
TAP always looks like that. Usually moreso - with shorts instead of jeans. I've finally gotten to where I find it endearing.
BATMAN VS SUPERMAN 😁😀😂
Ken had a fair bit of 'the bully that gets confronted' look about him, where he was quite apologetic and said he'd been misunderstood all along. However, it's pretty easy to get on a roll and have a rant when you're sitting in your home all alone and just going off to a camera, especially when you have people pretty much expecting that from you. I've only seen a few of Kens videos, but he always seemed quite knowledgable, and seems to be willing to admit where he's wrong. Good to see this happening though, nice work guys. Both of you.
My two favorite you tubers coming together. I applaud you both! Great video.
The Angry Photographer lol is acting really soft right now lol I need you to be angry lol
Angry Photographer reminds me of a serial killer.
Ken the guy who constantly says he's out shooting all day but has no pictures to show you....The guy who has no money but just purchased a 14 acre farm and of course he says he sold a 1/3 of his possessions to purchase the farm.......In reality I'm sure his rich friend either purchased it for him or he has a lot more money than he lets on.
Ken is very knowledgeable and tries to help people by giving them facts about different photography equipment......I don't believe he shoots as much as he did in the past but at one time he had several clients he would shoot for.....I'm still shooting with an old D700 and D800 thanks to Ken's recommendation years ago and both going strong.
I never thought of you, Jason, as a "Gear hard" type of person. Didn't you shoot with Adorama RoveLight, Rokinon lenses, Canon EF lenses adapted to Sony cameras, Minolta beer can lenses, etc, etc?
This is beautiful. Two good guys misunderstood by the image they have projected to the masses. Coming together to promote peace and harmony among mankind, under the subtext of photography. God bless you guys and God bless photography :D Much respect.
THIRST! err I mean FIRST!!!
Hey Photomeike, interesting to see a comment from you here. I am a subscriber and fan of your channel as well. Keep up the good work, my friend.
Hey Joe, thanks man! I miss nothing bro. I'm on everyone's channel, and I make sure to leave a comment or say something because engagement matters. I'm pretty sure a lot of other BIG UA-camrs will be watching this video and others. They just won't say it.
Hey man thanks a lot for the compliment! Now do me a favor and leave this nice comment one of my videos. LOL. Keep at it, man. Practice makes you better. Don't give up, I'll be doing more flash videos in the future
Ken got played by Jason. Jason's whole demeanor was arrogant, this video morphed into a Sony commercial, and Ken didn't even notice.
i dont think ken got played... he was confronted about his opinion and honestly the beef between them seemed to be largely based on sony, so i think they both got their point across... Jason wanted to defend his name and integrity about being a sony sell out....... and i think ken wanted to clear the air about how he really felt about certain things and put his comments in proper perspective.
oh i agree... Jason definitely gets my respect for coming to Ken and initiating this.
Malik Martin spot on
This was beautiful. Great content, experiences, and knowledge. I'm not familiar with Ken but I highly respect him for sharing some of his values and perspective on life which in the end is all that matters. My job duties are commercial video work and I still use a 5D Markii. I personally love the challenges my gear brings me because I always find a way to solve them and I always come out even stronger when the job is done.
That was great, I follow both of you on UA-cam and love your videos. I'm just glad there was no kissing involved LOL.
I love Sony Jason. I really do. But I tried to A9 and it couldn't track in low light. Coming from canon I wish it focused as fast. The 6d is awesome I'm low light for weddings and the 5d mark iv is too. But I hate to go back only because I do video too. Help! Lol I was really hoping the A9 was the answer. #prayingtothesonygods
Jay Vega "Find the right gear that works for you"
Jay Vega Go Back to Which one ?
Which one did you decide to use in the end forever & ever ?
Albert buksnis still haven't decided. I presently have both. Only pull out the canon in low light though.