Emotional argument, Sid needs to retire a Pen. Logical argument, the haul of picks and prospects you could get for the core players would drastically accelerate the rebuild.
True, however. It's likely you don't get full value for Sid because he's not going to leave Pittsburgh except to go exactly where he wants. There's an off chance he loves the franchise so much he goes to the best offer at the deadline just to help them, then makes his long term plan after that.
@@kurtwpg Good point. It's obviously easier said than done. They should at least explore the idea of trading Malkin this year. Rebuild is about two years away at most.
I get the idea of speculating on it, but no one in pittsburgh media or anyone close to the situation over here seem to have any doubt about sid staying. Could change obviously, but im gonna guess he doesnt leave. He wont leave Malkin and Letang behind.
I think Crosby stays with the Pens. In retirement, I think he'll either become a player development or assistant gm position, or he'll just disappear entirely and quietly enjoy time with his family.
What does the Canadian media have to do with anything? Canada hasn't won a Cup since 1993. If he's leaving Pittsburgh, he's staying in the US, because that's where he's got a chance to win another one before he retires. He's not coming to Canada, so I don't know what you're talking about. The discussion is whether or not he wants to win another Stanley Cup and given the fact that the Penguins are rebuilding, it's highly unlikely he's winning another one there. If he does, he's going to another American team. SDPN isn't the media. They're sports commentators. There is a difference. The media is supposed to provide information. Commentators might rehash information, but they're starting their discussions assuming you know a little bit about what's going on and they provide perspective. That's the way it's always been and if people have gotten soft and don't like that anymore, tough. Being from Vancouver, I remember a guy named Neil MacRae, who made Don Cherry look like Mother Theresa. If someone like him were in media today, the internet would implode. I miss the 90s.
@@christhornycroft3686 Canadian media and commentators are the ones who are pushing this the most. Sid isn’t leaving Pittsburgh. He’s said several times he wants to retire as a Penguin. He’s won 3 cups, his legacy as the best of his generation is secured.
Ottawa and Buffalo both share the difficulty that they are trying to break into the top half of their division while that top half is the very upper echelon of the league. Since the 2018-19 season Atlantic division teams have won 4 of 6 president's trophies, have the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th most points over that span, and have 7 stanley cup final appearances (only reason that is possible is due to the candian division year where 2 Atlantic teams made it). The path to relevance is difficult when 4 of the best 6 teams in the league are standing in your way.
Crosby has all his hardware, I doubt he goes anywhere. He's not Ray Borque. Is he really going to ditch his C and 1C spot to go play 2C on a contender to maaaaaybe have a shot at a 4th cup? Is he going to sign for dirt cheap? Seems like a stretch.
The only people talking about Sid leaving are hockey media people outside of Pittsburgh. Nobody close to the situation (GM, organization, Sid, teammates) have stated over and over he deserves to play his whole career in Pittsburgh.
It depends if Crosby wants to ever play in a playoff game again... If he does, he almost certainly needs to leave as last year everything was set up for him to do so. It was a very weak division with only Ovechkin in his way, and Crosby and his band of HoFers couldn't get it done.
In regards to Crosby moving. I think you guys are delusional. He had to talk Malkin into resigning. And I'm sure he and Letang had a conversation before he resigned. And what now? He's just going to leave them? It doesn't seem like a move that a leader like Crosby would make. He has three cups. I just don't see him leaving his two teammates of almost twenty years behind like that. I may be wrong. But, I just don't see it. What I do understand is putting this as a thumbnail grab and really only spending eight minutes on it. I get it. But I disagree.
I don’t think there’s any chance at all Sid leave the Pens. He just convinced Geno and Letang to resign long term and I think he prides himself on following in Mario’s footsteps and staying in Pittsburg good or bad and that he will take pride in helping build the future if they don’t perform well as a team.
As a Penguins Fan I don't want him to take a Paycut. I want to go the Dirk Nowitzki with the Mavericks route. Where you took a discount for us the whole time, now it's time for us to pay you back. We need a Rebuild anyway. I want him to be a lifelong Penguin and I want him to get what he deserves.
To be completely objective and rational, he SHOULD leave the Pens and let them get the moon for him. But it's incredibly likely Sid won't ever leave Pittsburgh. He is the Penguins and the Penguins are Crosby's team. The moment he retires he'll become an AC or player development consultant or something like that for the team. But we can never say never. Brodeur left the Devils (and it felt SO wrong all along), Modano left the Stars, Alfie left the Sens, Iggy left Calgary... all guys you would have said at the stage Sid is at, that would never leave their teams. IF he plays one year or two with another team tho, it's Colorado with Mack (he always said he'd love to play with him) or Montreal to complete his childhood dream. There's really no other choice.
I will say this. If he goes anywhere it could be to Jim Rutherford Rich Toccet and the Vancouver Canucks who could make him fit right now on their roster if half his salary was retained.
Interesting to see you call an entire portion of your fanbase “prick-waving” on Twitter Dangle. Ya know it’s perfectly okay to have people disagree with your takes or people in your company’s takes but lately you’ve turned into an entire crybaby and God-forbid anyone disagree with you. You take yourself way too seriously now and it’s getting tiring. It’s okay to be wrong. If you want people to take yourselves this seriously maybe you should have re-shot a bunch of those free agency videos. Mistakes galore on 8 minute videos. You can’t pick and choose on your professionalism. It should be consistent. Be better.
I do not believe whatever Crosby wants Crosby gets. He’s holding back the Pittsburgh Penguins from rebuilding. This team will not compete next season. They will not win a cup. This is just a huge waste of time. They did not get better this off-season.
Appreciate your pods Chris. I’ve learned a lot since following you. You have a unique perspective on the behind the scenes of the hockey world. Thanks for all the insight.
I'd put chicago hire above fames and blue jackets, added some depth with bertuzzi, i would lower Pittsburgh. I would lower toronto even tho it's my team we get worse overall even with the d adds and goalie
14:53 So IMO I could see Crosby staying just because he isnt chasing a cup ring and he clearly loves Pittsburgh so I could see him just agreeing to stay and be the vet for the younger Penguins.
The Pens need that goaltender who can make their team significantly better. They need someone who can steal games, someone who can be outshot every game and still have a record well over .500. Can Tristan Jarry be a top 3 goalie in the league?
Crosby in Vancouver, he is the missing link, he won an Olympic gold here and scored the golden goal. Plus we have the old Pittsburgh management team here, and we're on the cusp of greatness
Brother what are you talking about with the capitals having a better offseason than the penguins. Caps are delaying the rebuild for another chance to squeak in get swept in the first round. Is that really that much than what the pens did?
If he wants to win another cup then he needs to leave. If he is happy with 3 cups and countless other hardware pieces....then he can stay. Its all very simple.
And like MacKinnon. People seem to be under the impression that his 6.3x7 was a discount, it wasn't. He signed it coming off 52 points in 72 games. Even his first season with the contract he was overpaid, the second season grossly underpaid.
Crosby has earned the right too choose his path. If he wants to leave to chase one more ring they should honor that and trade him. But if he wants to stay, you keep him as long as he wants. Its that simple.
I understand how unlikely the idea of this is but.... rival joining rival Crosby joins Ovi in D.C. and assists on the goal that breaks the record. IMAGINE THEM PASSING THE CUP TO EACHOTHER 😅
Part of the problem in Pitt is that Sid always believes in his guys more than they do. The mantra is always, “get to the dance and anything can happen”. Not everyone can step it up like he does and he forgets that.
Awe Mr Johnston ... your player's have difficulties adjusting to being part of the team (but he just signed a 7.6 x 8 years) .... If 88 continues to additional years, then Mr Hughes should have been familiar with the difficulties facing Mr Slavkovsky prior to giving the responsibility of that size of paycheque and payroll?
omg eyeroll lol PIzza Pizza? Cmon CJ you can't tell me Pizza Pizza is better than -- pick one -- any of the independent pizza places in Toronto - FBI, Queen Margherita, etc. Even Hamilton is becoming a pizza haven with Cowabunga, MaiPai, Shorty's, Flora. There are SO many better choices than Pizza Pizza's trash product.
Sid should sign with the Flyers. The team is in need of a center. He would be a good play-maker to play with Michkov. He always gets a lot of points in Philly. Imagine if he played 41 games a year in Philly, how many points would he have?
Vegas has Bruins as the favorite to land Draisaitl long term, Crosby's close friends with Brad Marchand. There could be a 2 year window with a top 6 of Zacha-Draisaitl-Pastrnak + Marchand-Crosby-Coyle/Lindholm(depending on if they wanna keep Lindholm at 3c.) It would be so effin crazy if Draisaitl didn't win a cup with McDavid but got one with Crosby instead.
@@bigschuh1997 it's statistically unlikely, but still more likely to happen than the leafs winning a cup in the next 2 years so i don't see why we can't talk about it
The best cap situations come from teams where their top prospects ELC performance isn’t great. Slaf deal screams MacKinnon esque and as a leaf fan I’m so freaking annoyed. Going forward I’ll cheer against my teams top prospects for the first 3 years. Isn’t the cap system great?!
toronto maple laughs media and fans must really hate dubas, this is crazy level of delusion. yall need to worry about trelivings horrible signings this year 😂
CJ If ur not going to have cellphone service so u can totally unplug then u NEED to have a landline in case of an emergency such as drowning Seizure Heart attack etc. Im not wishing these things on u but my brother in Law and sister knew people who died because they lived in the middle of nowhere and couldnt get EMTs on time.
As a Penguins fan, I hope he does leave. It's better for his own career and better for the team in the long run. It would be sad to see Crosby end his career not having had a single playoff run in the final decade of play. The team seems unwilling to blow it up while he's still there (partially this is Crosby's fault), and are just spinning their wheels with a half in half out approach to rebuilding/trying to compete.
Question for CJ... How much does Mitch Marner in the prime of his career, and his camp take into consideration, getting out of the shadows of Auston Matthews and the ground hog day playoff scenario, to waive his NMC in a contract year?
If Crosby wants to stay then he stays. If Crosby wants to leave then he leaves. That's that.
Oh ok 😂
cool low iq comment..thanks for the input.
Emotional argument, Sid needs to retire a Pen.
Logical argument, the haul of picks and prospects you could get for the core players would drastically accelerate the rebuild.
True, however. It's likely you don't get full value for Sid because he's not going to leave Pittsburgh except to go exactly where he wants. There's an off chance he loves the franchise so much he goes to the best offer at the deadline just to help them, then makes his long term plan after that.
@@kurtwpg
Good point. It's obviously easier said than done. They should at least explore the idea of trading Malkin this year. Rebuild is about two years away at most.
I've never been more prepared to bully from the headline of a youtube video in my life before.
Nice to be able to watch some NHL content that isn't 95% leafs, thanx & nice show.
I get the idea of speculating on it, but no one in pittsburgh media or anyone close to the situation over here seem to have any doubt about sid staying.
Could change obviously, but im gonna guess he doesnt leave. He wont leave Malkin and Letang behind.
I think Crosby stays with the Pens. In retirement, I think he'll either become a player development or assistant gm position, or he'll just disappear entirely and quietly enjoy time with his family.
No, Crosby doesn’t need to leave. Canadian media needs to pump the brakes on this whole narrative.
What does the Canadian media have to do with anything? Canada hasn't won a Cup since 1993. If he's leaving Pittsburgh, he's staying in the US, because that's where he's got a chance to win another one before he retires. He's not coming to Canada, so I don't know what you're talking about. The discussion is whether or not he wants to win another Stanley Cup and given the fact that the Penguins are rebuilding, it's highly unlikely he's winning another one there. If he does, he's going to another American team. SDPN isn't the media. They're sports commentators. There is a difference. The media is supposed to provide information. Commentators might rehash information, but they're starting their discussions assuming you know a little bit about what's going on and they provide perspective. That's the way it's always been and if people have gotten soft and don't like that anymore, tough. Being from Vancouver, I remember a guy named Neil MacRae, who made Don Cherry look like Mother Theresa. If someone like him were in media today, the internet would implode. I miss the 90s.
He's Canadian.... He's stuck in a small US market....time to move on
@@christhornycroft3686that...and we only have 7 TEAMS !!!! he would play in Toronto or Montreal EASILY. Nova Scotia boy
This channel is tbe worst with the bs narrative peddaling
@@christhornycroft3686 Canadian media and commentators are the ones who are pushing this the most. Sid isn’t leaving Pittsburgh. He’s said several times he wants to retire as a Penguin. He’s won 3 cups, his legacy as the best of his generation is secured.
Ottawa and Buffalo both share the difficulty that they are trying to break into the top half of their division while that top half is the very upper echelon of the league. Since the 2018-19 season Atlantic division teams have won 4 of 6 president's trophies, have the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th most points over that span, and have 7 stanley cup final appearances (only reason that is possible is due to the candian division year where 2 Atlantic teams made it). The path to relevance is difficult when 4 of the best 6 teams in the league are standing in your way.
Crosby has all his hardware, I doubt he goes anywhere. He's not Ray Borque. Is he really going to ditch his C and 1C spot to go play 2C on a contender to maaaaaybe have a shot at a 4th cup? Is he going to sign for dirt cheap? Seems like a stretch.
The only people talking about Sid leaving are hockey media people outside of Pittsburgh. Nobody close to the situation (GM, organization, Sid, teammates) have stated over and over he deserves to play his whole career in Pittsburgh.
He does and he should. He also has notably NOT signed an extension. So that leaves space for narrative.
It depends if Crosby wants to ever play in a playoff game again... If he does, he almost certainly needs to leave as last year everything was set up for him to do so. It was a very weak division with only Ovechkin in his way, and Crosby and his band of HoFers couldn't get it done.
In regards to Crosby moving. I think you guys are delusional. He had to talk Malkin into resigning. And I'm sure he and Letang had a conversation before he resigned. And what now? He's just going to leave them? It doesn't seem like a move that a leader like Crosby would make. He has three cups. I just don't see him leaving his two teammates of almost twenty years behind like that. I may be wrong. But, I just don't see it. What I do understand is putting this as a thumbnail grab and really only spending eight minutes on it. I get it. But I disagree.
I don’t think there’s any chance at all Sid leave the Pens. He just convinced Geno and Letang to resign long term and I think he prides himself on following in Mario’s footsteps and staying in Pittsburg good or bad and that he will take pride in helping build the future if they don’t perform well as a team.
Exactly. Sid will be a pen for a life.
Way to increase the views on pure speculation and conjecture because you know Pittsburgh is one of your top fan bases outside of Toronto.
The two of you are great! Love the show!!
This Sid thing is absolute fantasy.
Already out of things to talk about?
Crosby isn't going anywhere.
You still have time to delete this
As a Penguins Fan I don't want him to take a Paycut. I want to go the Dirk Nowitzki with the Mavericks route. Where you took a discount for us the whole time, now it's time for us to pay you back. We need a Rebuild anyway. I want him to be a lifelong Penguin and I want him to get what he deserves.
If it's a money thing it would be better to give partial ownership in the team/a job.
To be completely objective and rational, he SHOULD leave the Pens and let them get the moon for him.
But it's incredibly likely Sid won't ever leave Pittsburgh. He is the Penguins and the Penguins are Crosby's team. The moment he retires he'll become an AC or player development consultant or something like that for the team.
But we can never say never. Brodeur left the Devils (and it felt SO wrong all along), Modano left the Stars, Alfie left the Sens, Iggy left Calgary... all guys you would have said at the stage Sid is at, that would never leave their teams.
IF he plays one year or two with another team tho, it's Colorado with Mack (he always said he'd love to play with him) or Montreal to complete his childhood dream. There's really no other choice.
I will say this. If he goes anywhere it could be to Jim Rutherford Rich Toccet and the Vancouver Canucks who could make him fit right now on their roster if half his salary was retained.
Interesting to see you call an entire portion of your fanbase “prick-waving” on Twitter Dangle. Ya know it’s perfectly okay to have people disagree with your takes or people in your company’s takes but lately you’ve turned into an entire crybaby and God-forbid anyone disagree with you. You take yourself way too seriously now and it’s getting tiring. It’s okay to be wrong. If you want people to take yourselves this seriously maybe you should have re-shot a bunch of those free agency videos. Mistakes galore on 8 minute videos. You can’t pick and choose on your professionalism. It should be consistent. Be better.
I do not believe whatever Crosby wants Crosby gets. He’s holding back the Pittsburgh Penguins from rebuilding. This team will not compete next season. They will not win a cup. This is just a huge waste of time. They did not get better this off-season.
Appreciate your pods Chris. I’ve learned a lot since following you. You have a unique perspective on the behind the scenes of the hockey world. Thanks for all the insight.
love the content but lets be real, Crosby isn't going anywhere...talk about something else.
I'd put chicago hire above fames and blue jackets, added some depth with bertuzzi, i would lower Pittsburgh. I would lower toronto even tho it's my team we get worse overall even with the d adds and goalie
Crosby to Montreal....He can set up Slaf, Caufield and Demidov all game long. 😎😎
That depends on what he wants to do. If he wants to retire as a Penguin, no. If he wants a shot at another Stanley Cup, yes.
great minds think alike
14:53 So IMO I could see Crosby staying just because he isnt chasing a cup ring and he clearly loves Pittsburgh so I could see him just agreeing to stay and be the vet for the younger Penguins.
The Pens need that goaltender who can make their team significantly better. They need someone who can steal games, someone who can be outshot every game and still have a record well over .500. Can Tristan Jarry be a top 3 goalie in the league?
Crosby in Vancouver, he is the missing link, he won an Olympic gold here and scored the golden goal. Plus we have the old Pittsburgh management team here, and we're on the cusp of greatness
5:00 as a mega NHL fan, I am praying that situation happens. Anytime I get to rag on MTL or Toronto, I love EVERY minute of it.
He should go to his favorite team growing up.......
Montreal Canadians
Brother what are you talking about with the capitals having a better offseason than the penguins. Caps are delaying the rebuild for another chance to squeak in get swept in the first round. Is that really that much than what the pens did?
If he wants to win another cup then he needs to leave. If he is happy with 3 cups and countless other hardware pieces....then he can stay.
Its all very simple.
I look at Slafkovsky's contract like Draisaitl first contract, seems expensive but has potential to out perform that contract for a long time.
And like MacKinnon. People seem to be under the impression that his 6.3x7 was a discount, it wasn't. He signed it coming off 52 points in 72 games. Even his first season with the contract he was overpaid, the second season grossly underpaid.
Because Tanger and Geno signed, he 100% stays and isn't even a story. If those two left then you would have a story now.
Crosby has earned the right too choose his path. If he wants to leave to chase one more ring they should honor that and trade him. But if he wants to stay, you keep him as long as he wants. Its that simple.
I understand how unlikely the idea of this is but.... rival joining rival Crosby joins Ovi in D.C. and assists on the goal that breaks the record. IMAGINE THEM PASSING THE CUP TO EACHOTHER 😅
Hearing Chris's cottage takes makes me think he would love Finland in the summer
If he wants to win another cup sure. But I think he’d much rather be a Penguin for life than chase another ring.
Sidney crosby winning a cup in Montreal would seal his career
You have nothing to talk about already?
Sid could get traded midseason and then come back the next season
If he wants another ring yes... If he's happy No
You guys need to try smoked pork belly it is absolutely amazing and well worth the time it takes
Part of the problem in Pitt is that Sid always believes in his guys more than they do. The mantra is always, “get to the dance and anything can happen”. Not everyone can step it up like he does and he forgets that.
Toronto should have picked up both Stamkos and Sid and had the ultimate OG line with Johnny T.
Marner for Sid 1 for 1
Slaf is still on is entre deal this year
One for one trade- Marner for Crosby
Every year with this crap
Cosby for Marner trade.
Chris Johnston is elite.
Awe Mr Johnston ... your player's have difficulties adjusting to being part of the team (but he just signed a 7.6 x 8 years) .... If 88 continues to additional years, then Mr Hughes should have been familiar with the difficulties facing Mr Slavkovsky prior to giving the responsibility of that size of paycheque and payroll?
omg eyeroll lol PIzza Pizza? Cmon CJ you can't tell me Pizza Pizza is better than -- pick one -- any of the independent pizza places in Toronto - FBI, Queen Margherita, etc. Even Hamilton is becoming a pizza haven with Cowabunga, MaiPai, Shorty's, Flora. There are SO many better choices than Pizza Pizza's trash product.
Sid should sign with the Flyers. The team is in need of a center. He would be a good play-maker to play with Michkov. He always gets a lot of points in Philly. Imagine if he played 41 games a year in Philly, how many points would he have?
Vegas has Bruins as the favorite to land Draisaitl long term, Crosby's close friends with Brad Marchand. There could be a 2 year window with a top 6 of Zacha-Draisaitl-Pastrnak + Marchand-Crosby-Coyle/Lindholm(depending on if they wanna keep Lindholm at 3c.) It would be so effin crazy if Draisaitl didn't win a cup with McDavid but got one with Crosby instead.
Draisaitl and Crosby are not going to the Bruins.
@@bigschuh1997 it's statistically unlikely, but still more likely to happen than the leafs winning a cup in the next 2 years so i don't see why we can't talk about it
Send him to Detroit
The best cap situations come from teams where their top prospects ELC performance isn’t great. Slaf deal screams MacKinnon esque and as a leaf fan I’m so freaking annoyed. Going forward I’ll cheer against my teams top prospects for the first 3 years. Isn’t the cap system great?!
Pens fan. Would love to see Sid make a run with a Canadian team. If marner leaves, maybe the leafs make a call
toronto maple laughs media and fans must really hate dubas, this is crazy level of delusion. yall need to worry about trelivings horrible signings this year 😂
I remember a guy named MacKinnon who got a $6 mil a year deal that everyone thought was stupid too
CJ If ur not going to have cellphone service so u can totally unplug then u NEED to have a landline in case of an emergency such as drowning Seizure Heart attack etc. Im not wishing these things on u but my brother in Law and sister knew people who died because they lived in the middle of nowhere and couldnt get EMTs on time.
Pitt's Core Four of Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson.
As far as the Capitals cap space Oshie is done. Put him on LTIR and they are under the cap.
I think Slafkovsky will live up to the contract in year one, which remember, is not this coming season.
Gotta go with a smoker it makes the meat so tender in juicy. Its a bit of a learning curve but so worth it.
I bet Dubas would love for some of his core to ask for a trade
i feel he will leave f he want be in playoff and maybe wants to win
The sabers should of went after pinto
I’m sure Nashville would love him.
Crosby is coming to Montreal
What an insane take that you would rather wait 5 years to rebuild and not take the Caps approach and have a chance of making the playoffs
Depends....if he wants another cup, he needs to leave. If he wants Pittsburgh to rebuild, he stays. Easy, really.
Wouldn’t Pitt be able to rebuild faster if they got a haul for Crosby.
if syd wants another cup: yes he needs to leave pit
if syd wants to retire a penguin then no.
Crosby & Dubas dont like each other. my source is I just made it up. Crosby to leafs confirmed
The Leafs need him
TRADE Mitch for Crosby
Sid isn't leaving it's just matter of time not if Canadian media needs to stop
Sid will be penguin for life
He had said multiple of times he has said
Canada media is crazy
I couldn’t be happier as a Panthers and wings fan right now. Really excited to see what Tarasenko and Kane can do.
I commend Sid for not doing the emotional thing and extending on July 1. He should wait until at least New Years before making that decision.
Dubas is a nightmare
Doesn't HAVE to...but he should before Dubas RUINS that team like he effed-up the Leafs deals.
Did Dubas touch you?
As a Penguins fan, I hope he does leave. It's better for his own career and better for the team in the long run. It would be sad to see Crosby end his career not having had a single playoff run in the final decade of play. The team seems unwilling to blow it up while he's still there (partially this is Crosby's fault), and are just spinning their wheels with a half in half out approach to rebuilding/trying to compete.
Question for CJ... How much does Mitch Marner in the prime of his career, and his camp take into consideration, getting out of the shadows of Auston Matthews and the ground hog day playoff scenario, to waive his NMC in a contract year?