HUGE INFO for PHASE 2 Season of Discovery Classic WoW
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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We've been getting tons of information about phase 2 in Season of Discovery Classic WoW and things are HEATING UP.
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I love small raids with a group of friends, 10 and 20 is perfect size for me
10 man raids. nothing more.
The sweats trying to argue them being sweaty won't affect you is BS. They want to get the gnomer gear day 1 or 2 then go to STV with the same raid team and stomp casuals trying to level for the next 2 weeks straight so over geared to others you have no chance at stopping them... let's all be real here
Blizzard shouldn't incentivise players to no-life rush to max level by opening the raid day one.
All it does is catering to a fraction of the player base, while putting normal players under pressure to level as fast as possible.
Protect the players from themselves.
Personally I hope they stick with 10 Mans. Ive never had more fun raiding then in SOD because my guild is just 10 friends. Ill be very disappointed if we go back to 40 man raids and it will most likely lead me to quitting.
40 man raids on a game that has an end-date? Upgrade the amount of loot that drops by 5x then.... Don't forget SoD is only expected to last for 12 months, by the time everybody is at 60 they'll be a few months left and you want 40 player raids where hardly any loot drops so nobody can gear before the server ends. great idea.
I think they could easily squish every raid down to 10 and 20 man. they didn't even have to nerf the damage or health of the bosses, just slash the raid sizes in half and keep the same numbers. people will still steamroll it.
In regards to delaying the release, consider the development time for new content. The more time we give the developers, the more/better content we're likely to get. Delaying the raid by a week should also put the "I'm burned out on this phase, I want the next one" back a week, which should translate to less pressure on devs and more likely we'll get workable new stuff instead of complaining that we wanted both a faster release schedule AND more new content.
Delays may feel boring or uncomfortable, but the more we allow for natural and healthy delays, the more likely we're to get enjoyable content in the future simply because of the extra time that goes into making it.
Also, the week 1 more loot than you, week 2 double that, week 3 even more assumes a weekly reset. If it's a shorter reset, then the week-long delay to release is at least 2 lockouts worth.
If it's going to take the average wow nerd almost 3 weeks, or more, to level to 40, delaying it by a week does absolutely nothing for them. They were destined to miss lockouts by sheer design of their casual nature. You'd have to delay it by a month for them to be even close to jumping in. It's a meaningless gesture. Just put the content out there and let the people play however fast or slow they want.
I loved 40man raids in classic. But after playing 10-man raids in SoD... I really, really hope they stick with 10 man.
Did Aggrend really just say that it is a lot easier to manage a 40 man raid as a raid leader or did i misunderstand?
Raiding as a casual, especially pugging, is way better in 10 man than 40 man.. for your average casual it's:
less time consuming to form the group, and actually begin playing * ARGUABLY MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR CASUALS *
less intimidating to start a group when you only have to lead 9 other players
less intimidating to join a group, since (in my experience) many 40 mans were very clique-ish, and typically guild runs... not a fun environment as a pugger imo (but also sometimes the best environment as a pugger, i will admit)
spending 2 hours to get into a 40 man pug raid, or to assemble a pug raid, is not what a 3-hour casual player wants to do with their gametime. i also think that 3 hours is a pretty high playtime estimation for the casual gamerdad demographic... i think most casuals play 1-2 hours per day, skipping a few days per week, more likely.
i think any "*new*" raids should be 20 man max, with maybe a single 40 man raid as a nod to vintage WoW.. but 40 man should not be the 'focus' for a casual gamerdad MMO.. especially not in today's gaming environment where casual gamers have plenty of substitutes if you waste too much of their time, and they will gladly play those instead.
I wish devs actually posted on the forums again so you can easily aggregate it by blue posts instead of trying to find what devs post on twitter or even class discords...
u mean that forum that EU players can't even comment on? those forums had didivded NA and EU players for years
my guild is dead if we have to do 40man raids and i'll go back to retail.
40 man raids was never a problem, guild adapt to it. Its just harder to get loot
I just PuG - and I can imagine a 40 man group taking a hell of a long time to make
Wow players: I want my highest parse and arena rating on my tombstone.
I loved 40 man raiding but lately I have been enjoying the 10 mans more. To me you get a better sense of unity becuase its a closer nit group and really less drama in general becuase now eveyone is essential and you need everyone to cooperate with each other more. It helps keep people from joining their own little clicks in the guild and it feels like a lot less loot drama because your not trying to figure which or the 8 warriors get what becuase of how bad 40 mans make class stacking a thing and how few pieces of gear drop in comparison. I deno it just feels better to me nowadays being 10-20 man then the old school 40. Some things died in classic becuase the community is better off without it and 40 mans is one such thing. Not saying I'm going to hate on 40 man raids because I'm not and i do love the feeling of it but the older and the less time I have trying to figure loot and what out the better.
40 man raids is just toxic for loot in the end. That's where the corrupt LC really start. Maybe they can dynamic scale from 20 to 40 man? But getting 39 others to raid with is just not fun, and fairly sharing loot and keep interest is hard for a seasonal game. 40 man raids lead to that guy getting all bis items first quitting soon after since why run a raid for months to gear out other's when they are bis now... Yeah, it's easy for streamers to want 40 man's since they have people simply begging them to raid with them... The average player/guild has maybe 15-25 active at this point,imho.
I agree with Scotty on raid sizes, most guilds are running multiple 10 man raids without a problem.
yes but they are "alt" raids. my guild has many raids groups with the same crew of people's alts
no, they announce via email i remember that some folks got email from blizzard announcing sod classic also updates raids, one of that email say gnomeran 10 not everyone receive that email thats the main problem.
Please! Where can i find the link to the page in 3:51?? ive always wanted to see all the professions bonuses/benefits in a list them all
Thank you for keeping the classic essence true! Usually content creator are getting clown on because they favor the tryhard mindset and dont get the true palyer because they only get on the hype train with games
1 minut polymorph and 1 minut saps is my favorite part
I HAVE not gotten the soul leech pants, and i Did not miss a lock out ,.,, OR THE CHEST for the set bonus
I'm in the same boat, I run uncommon pants on my warlock that has done the raid every lockout
Can we talk about the graph being made for /played, casuel players wont be playing 3 hrs a day, they will be between 30-60 min a day, and even that is a high number
In regards to which demographic to make happy, I think you miss his point. You're right that it makes more sense to have the majority happy, not the top 1% sweats - however, that assumes they are mutually exclusive (which for some things, they are). I believe Scottejaye makes the point that not delaying the raid is good for the sweats, but it does not actually come at any cost of the average player. Missing a single lockout more doesn't affect average Joe - chances are, he will miss multiple throughout the phase anyway. It's not like the average players LOSES anything just because sweats can raid day one.
How, in any way, does it actually affect average players negatively? Yes, sweats have more loot, but how does that matter? They dominate the logs? They would do that regardless. Letting average player "catch up" to lockouts won't even give them a fighting chance (and that is assuming logs are even important enough to design around). Or how about PvP? That one extra piece of loot is NOT the reason a guy playing 8 hours a day for over a decade steamrolls you. It's because he played 8 hours a day for a decade.
You say it's a "big deal", but it isn't. Yes, it is more gear, but you don't actually argue how it negatively affects anyone - because it doesn't.
40 man raids is when we will see a play drop off imo its so hard to get 40 people 10/20 is better imo
No. Go back to retail.
@@ZugzugZugzugsonNo. Go back to classic.
@@ZugzugZugzugsongo back to classic era 😄 40 man raids is for those who do not play with their real life friends, or who leave their real life friends behind because they view them as too casual, or do not bother making merges, or dual guild runs or do not want to be put through the bad experience of pug plugging. Pugs really are a hit or miss uncertainty, and more often than not are turbulent, and un-enjoyable experiences.
Go back to classic era @@ZugzugZugzugson
40 man is too difficult to manage. i understand that you as a content creator with thousands of followers might not have an issue organizing such a large raid but most people dont have a large following and filling a raid with 40 players is a chore. 20 man is a good middle ground, not too large, not too small.
??? Just get 4 10mans who raid the same time, respec some tanks and heals to dps and you have a 40man team
@@TheZeagon easier said than done.
10 and 20s that's all I want
40man was never a problem in classic and I played it over and over again a bunch of times
@@majkelo81 was never a problem for you*
Super cool to end up in the same PUG last night brother
😁
As many others have already said, I MUCH more prefer 10-player raids over 40. Reasons: Easier to form, less competition for loot, tighter-knit/more social. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of taking a huge group of 40 to kill big internet monsters. It just doesn't seem as practical these days.
Perhaps the only thing I miss about larger raids is more players to compete against on dps/heals in a competitive guild. But the whole parse culture just doesn't seem to hit the spot in classic. 2-4 button rotations, maybe 1 cooldown, 2 mechanics per boss. The challenge just isn't there, so it just feels better to enjoy the game in smaller groups.
Only 10 man raids. Small raids, great company, friends and family.
No more recruiting, no more "i cant come because i am not in mood anymore" and 39 people waiting.
End of story.
Only 1 of my raids out of every reset has been raid logged
sadly to say I just don't see the appeal in doing 40 man is just annoying to put together, and the loot is scarce too in 40mans if it stays 40 ill probably be quitting SoD but its whatever at that point if they end up adding anymore 10-25man content is much less of a pain to put together. I wanna be able to do raids with my friend group not my friend group and 20 other randoms sadly.
Yoy can do MC 20 man if they dont do any changes 100%.
Fishing has been the best gold maker for me for almost any phase of any version of WoW in SoD, floating wreckage is a goddamn gold mine. I just sold a tailoring pattern for Star Belt for 86g
Agree with everything that was said up to 18:10 . I would disagree with that logic because we (not racing) really don't loose anything with it being delayed for a week but the racing guys do. They've prepared for the race first being from 25-40 and then the raid added to that. This way, the race is changed with no real benefit to the majority of the player base (non racers). The people replying to the tweet about it were kind of selfish and Blizz devs were indifferent to the delay so they went with majority vote.
Analogy:
You are buying a ticket for a train. You are asked a yes/no question during payment. "Would you prefer to have the coupe all to yourself if possible?". I am willing to bet more than 90% would put "yes" without actually wanting that before the question was asked. When the question like that is asked you don't even consider if it's going to put on strain on the people doing the reservations. You assume it's not a problem for them to arrange that, since the option was right there on the form.
By doing this, Blizzard were the questionnaire in this analogy, the players voting yes on postponing the raid were the buyer and the people that were negatively affected by that resounding "yes" vote on the tweet were the "racers".
I just think that kind of sucks.
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It won’t affect my guild either way. Probably won’t be ready to raid for 2 weeks anyway. We have 8 raid teams but none of us care to rush to level cap. Casual people wouldn’t know it was open or not. Hardcore players will no life the game anyway. I think it’s just open the raid and let people do what they want.
been speaking about the runescape poll system with my friends for years
I really hope when 60 drops we can go through all the content anf they dont just make the new raid make all the old raids obsolete
Dont forget about the AQ event in the barrens aswell! I totally forgot about it
Its already open
they could put voting page on/instead of game loading page
If Gnomer is on a 3 day lock-out like BFD i could see why it might be smart to delay it a week. Majority of the people is casuals and if some people already have 2-3 lockouts of loot i could see some people cry on the forums. But at the same time i also think it's fun when the best players/guilds have something to race over, even if the content is rather easy and it don't really matter that much if you get world first level 40 or world first Gnomer. But it makes it abit more interesting imo. But i don't really mind what Blizzard do, im fine with both options.
So casual wow gamers dont watch wow videos or twitch streams but aparently care enough to want to meet first lockout (typicalled stressed by sweats for more chance of loot to better parses)? Staysafes point was contradictory.
agree we have 30 ppl in guild that raid we do 5 runs for mains and alts and 1 speed run we are top 90 in world in speed run sub 20 min. makes it rough to raid from 8 pm to 1 am cause of 10 man raids. alot of guys get left out of the speed run cause of 10 man...
Love you stay safe - on fishing, for any Player doing solo self found - fishing at level 40 will get you 12 and 14 slot bags in certain areas ❤
I’m not understanding the argument to delay the raid. This would be giving the sweaties a unique experience that they have never had before nor may ever have again. Yet, the majority wants to deny them this experience because… they don’t want the sweaties to have the potential to have some gear a few lockouts before they do? It’s such a small percentage of players that they would hardly be impacted by this. To delay seems to come from a selfish standpoint of denying others from enjoying something they have no interest in doing anyway.
10 and 20 are fine. 40 man is too much when you casually want to play. Also nobody will do shit for a month waiting on phase 3 and will just be dormant.
How many of the chars are bots. That’s what keeps the realms in balance
What a bullshit tag lol
They need to do at least 1 new 40 man raid. I like 10 man, but they need both. 10 can be very easy to pug and casual and also better for high skill content, basically glorified dungeons like a mythic+ i suppose. 40 mans shouldn't be peak difficulty but peak epicness on scale, lore, etc. In retail terms, some 10 man raids are basically lfr difficulty, 40 is like normal, other 10 or 20 are like heroic/mythic difficulty. 10 only is waaaaay too small. I want them to do another Q&A or interview to shutdown the retail players on classic sod right now who are requesting things like transmog, flex raids, etc. People are completely not being realistic with the scope of SoD and what to expect. Dual spec was already hinted, but the wow forums are terrible if you based classic+ on the people whining there.
People that don't like 40 mans don't understand classic raiding
Casual 40s are the best indeed. NO better way to raid.
Bro you are too funny, peace we love you stay safe
pls stop heating your own comments or i will never watch your videos again
sod is the most fun i ever had in wow no joke
Are you Rykers brother?
I have run BFD 20+ times and only ONCE someone logged
Great Work Staysafe :)
I disagree. I think 25man raids are bis. 40 is just chaotic.
bro you are in the minority here, EVERYONE loves the 10 mans. 40 mans are fucking CANCER, its trying to get WAY too many people together on the same time and day. id be okay with an increase to 20 man for the "re-imagined" OG raids but everything up until 60 and even the rumored new kharazan crypts raid needs to have 10 mans, 10 mans are way easier to put together, the content is WAY less sweaty, these 10 man new raids are in a very sweet spot for the average player, the only people who like 40 mans are stuck in their way classic players, ive been playing wow off and on since 2005 and everyone ive talked to, every single one of them has always said that 10/25 mans are perfect, 40 was WAY too fucking much and WAY too fucking annoying to form for.
also your math on hour per level is fucked, you forgot they lowered the XP for 1-25 and they are doing the same with 25-40 so your whole math is completely fucked. people are going to dungeon grind scarlet monestary and a crap ton of people will be level 40 by the end of the first week
@@muzien87 They aren't lowing the XP from 25-40!
Its also contradictory to what he said about making decisions based off the majority of casuals. Building a 40 man team takes ages, and most casuals dont know that many people to fill even half of the raid
40 man is great for open wold stuff, but for raiding 20 man is perfect.
The end is near
40 man raids are a pain . Also you had these 6+ months doing 10 man raiding and then at 60 BOOM get 30 more people . Also loot wise getting 3-4 pieces for 40 people is bad and just forces people to wait months for a piece.
they are a necessary pain. it is SUPPOSED to gatekeep the best gear in the game from you. if you want it, put in the effort and stop sulking.
@@ZugzugZugzugson you aren’t putting in effort … it’s a bad game design 40 people 4 pieces of loot . You are just wasting your time
@@ZugzugZugzugsonbro I’ll put in the work, then I’ll swipe my card and buy all the gear just to stomp your ass in PvP. Sound good to you? Stfu.. 40 man raids are shit, especially in a season mode.
@@ItsYent bosses in MC drop between 4-6 pieces of loot each. BFD bosses drop 2 (3 from akumai).
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We all know it was going to be a 10 man raid
all i get from his video is some sweaty nerd complaining about how he can not complete all stuff within 48 hours
crazy how whatever blizz do its always crybabies crying over every little detail, wow community must be the shittiest ever, poor devs
Any TL:DR? Obviously not going to watch/listen a 40min vid of news we've all most likey seen already.
So the only time in classic history that a world first raid clear was dependent on leveling was TBC launch for the P1 TBC raids. Are we saying that every SoD raid world first race should be 80% how fast you can level up and 20% doing the raid, every single phase? Or can we all keep our shit together for 1 week and let the world first raid lockout be whoever can learn the mechanics first and overcome the actual raid itself, like every other world first raid has been for every other raid in classic history
forced server lock is the best thing ever
I counted zero new info thanks anyways i guess
I say let the sweaty's have it. There was something fun about Watching people get first world kills.
1 week delay wont let casuals in on first lockout, might as well not delay it. If you want to let casuals get in on first lockout you need to delay it 2 weeks.
40 man bis size
Hoping they don't delay the gnomer raid, there's just no way that it will take 3.5 hours per level up even for an incredibly average player. We're fully raid geared, we have world buffs, our gear is enchanted we are completely twinked out at level 25, AND we have OP new abilities that increases player power to never before seen heights in classic world of warcraft. We are going to be leveling ridiculously fast compared to a regular classic WoW experience. I have no plans for racing for world first, I'm not going to be rushing to level 40, but I'm expecting to hit level 40 extremely quickly because of how well geared I am, and it's going to be incredibly annoying after raid logging bfd for months to finally get phase 2, and be raid logging gnomer without having access to the raid because we arbitrarily locked out the content for a week
I totally agree. Seems the week is an arbitrary length that casuals still won’t level in time for yet removed a new experience for the sweaties. Only feels that the delay would be taking away an experience from a group with no compensation or changes for other groups.
i love u guys great content
staysafe pyro mage pvp incoming
scotty W
less ppl in raid its better.
Reevaluate your priorities if you ever want to level cooking or fishing
I like how the dude in the video uses language like, "I dont think we should punish the hardcore players" soft ass people crying over meaningless shit, wait a week, get on with life.
Blizzard are setting all of the guilds up for failure with releasing 10-man raids when the end game raid size is by and large 40.
This was painful to watch.
Only took me 5 minutes to go to the original video. Don't waste your time with this video and farmer joe.
first
Yes we knew it was 10 man raid. Why wouldnt it be?
40 man raids are trash. half of the people who are there literally do nothing.
People who play only 30 mins don't get to slow me down cuz you're so goddamn busy you can't even run a dungeon in 30 mins (usually)
this video was a waste of time to watch not much here.
Really hope it is delayed
I dont want to follow game devs. Theyre not rockstars, theyre not celebrities. They should not have fans. I dont care if they get laid off or what they have to say. Ive never bought a game because of a Dev and anyone who has is a dork
What...? People a following them on Twitter for info about the game, its not that deep.
Your titles/thumbnails are very misleading, this doesnt appear as a react.
cringe
In reacting
The clickbait titles and soyjaking in the thumbnails is cringe, idk how you can do it. And idk why UA-cam keeps recommending your videos
Fake
40 man raids are aids max 20, i pref 10
who ready to be level 40 for 3 months ffs. who ever still plays this trash is insane.