Base Training! Flying Circuits in your 737! | Real 737 Pilot
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2022
- This one was requested for a long time and I promised I'd do it over and over again. This time I finally did it!
Let's talk about Base Training - or: Flying Traffic Patterns in your 737!
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Tools and addons used in this video:
OBS Studio
Nvidia Shadowplay
My system specs:
Intel i9-9900k@5,2GHz
RTX3080Ti
32GB RAM
Windows 10 Pro
My hardware:
Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke and Throttle
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Thrustmaster Pendular Pedals - Ігри
OMG. Thank you!!! You are truly a content creation machine and your videos/streams have been invaluable in relearning the 737.
Wow, thanks!
@@A330Driver When you replied to my suggestion of this video you said you had a busy summer and would get around to it. I certainly didn’t expect a full 45 min video 48 hours later. Guten Abend, mein Herr.
@@A330Driver how do you know that you are at the correct downwind offset miles?
Shows us the entry leg 45 degree downwind
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Some of us we are getting a type rate on the 737NG with your content. Thank you.
Yet another master class for use trainees, your efforts are not wasted on us. Ty 💯👍🏻
Captain...yet another nugget from you...this tops everything I've seen from you so far...meine Fresse! Danke!
Simply outstanding instruction for pattern work in the 737! This will definitely help me with my hand flying. It’s interesting to compare the similarities and differences with the 737 in the sim compared to using a puddle jumper to fly the pattern in real life. Thanks so much for posting this video!
Brilliant, thank you!
I have been using call outs as follows: T/O upwind leg, Downwind leg, Crosswind leg, Base leg, Final to go Go around (Or Full stop).
YES! I have been waiting for a tutorial like this for some time. Thank you!
You're so welcome!
Very helpful, thank you!
Great video - thank you for creating and sharing. Excellent explanation and I'm looking forward to carving out an hour of touch and gos.
Have fun!
Great! Much more difficult than you think !!🙂
GOD of 737
Friendly heads up; on the first circuit you refer to the downwind leg as 'base'. I know you know, but non-pilots will be confused.
Many thank's again for your very interesting videos, here I see what a real pilot is able to do in full manual flight in the 737
Many thanks!
Captain! Thank You Sir for sharing your Professional Pilot's Expertise. I am just a single engine Private Pilot, so I really enjoy your videos, they are educational for "flight simmers", I don't quite have my MSFS 2020 setup yet, but when I do, your videos would have prepared me. I love the Boeing 737-800/700 and the 600. Loved the Area 51 video. My employer, a very successful airline in the US, recently purchased 50 Boeing 737-800, I work in aircraft engineering drafting, the main fleet currently is Airbus A319/A320. We will have a job cutout when the B-737-800's arrive next year, we do not have drawings for the B-737-800's.
You flight sim UA-camrs are something else. Just last night I was wondering how I would go about flying circuits in my 737 and Fenix 320. Not the first time content from someone has popped up just when I’m needing it. Thank you.
That's what I call timing! For the A320, in case you're wondering, there is a great video out there from Blackbox711. I used that with the FSL A320 back in the day.
@@A330Driver oh great to know, will definitely save that.
This is my favorite so far. Always wanted to know how this was done in actual airline training. Thank you :)
Your channel is really good; thanks for the awesome content.
Thank you!
awesome content from a profissional pilot , keep it up !
holy crap. that livery is a throwback.
Couldn't resist either when I saw it!
Great video thanks 😊
No problem 👍
Downwind timing from abeam downwind threshold - 3 sec/100' of circuit altitude corrected for wind. 2000' circuit = 66 sec to base turn (still air). Hence you were high by flying 45 sec. (UK large 737 operator).
Different operators, different SOPs. In my airline it's 45sec. We correct for it with the 500fpm descend the moment we start our base.
To add difficulty once you have mastered the left-hand, you can do the right-hand.
Many airports require alternating between Right-Hand and Left-Hand circuits, for noise abatement measurements.
Those wouldn't be airports where you'd fly patterns though. The aim is to always fly them in the direction where the PF is sitting to enable best visibility.
Great tutorial!!! It was tough for the first 2 trials, but after 4 or 5 it got way better. All of the power settings given here change my landing to way better!!! Thanks To bad we can't key bind the chronometer!!!!
Great to hear!
Indeed I'm still waiting for a keybinding for the CHR and ET buttons as well!
Thanks
Thank you so much for your support Mark!
Thanks for all the content you produce, Emmanuel! Would love if you did a Mexican route sometime just for fun :) MMMX to MMMY is a very interesting, but quick and fun route!
Maybe one day!
Thank you so much for the donation Erick!
could you do a video on the vsd? I heard lots of pilots say it's really useful so I'd be great to see some examples, like the fix page video.
great tutorial as always
Great suggestion!
The best
That's a very nice Orbit Airlines livery you have there.. :)
Indeed it is!
Thank you!!! Could you please give us a short video about the difference between course and heading in the 737?
Made very simple: Heading: Where the nose points.
Course: Where the plane moves
@@A330Driver Is that not track + heading? Or are course + track the same thing?
Great video!!! Can you please make an approach tutorial with blended vs split winglets? I know calculations are a little different
Not really that different, you can use the same values. It'll descend slightly worse but within the scope of what you'd see on aircraft with blendet winglets with to weather influence as well
So rare to see this explained❤. Thankyou.
Not sure what your setup is but have you considered connecting your PC to a large TV. I do that with an HDMI cable to USBC from TV to an ipad (XBOX CLOUD). Makes the instruments easier to read. From the position you have in the sim it would seem that the instruments are harder to read than IRL?
When flying do you fly if you were like a captain or a first officer, so would you have the the throttle on the right side like a captain or left side like a first officer.
I guess you call the downwind leg the base leg where you live? Interesting lol. In the US when flying downwind (parallel to runway) it's called the downwind leg and the base leg is the perpendicular leg to final.
Either way always enjoy your videos.
That was as error. He said it correctly during the second pattern.
yep, it was.
Excellent video Emi. I've been hoping for one on this topic for a while now so thank you SO much! Fantastic.
At 19:05 you say "now you can very nicely set your position trim vector here, right on the centerline". What is the position trim vector? Did you explain it earlier in the video?
"Trend" not trim. It's the white line on the ND indicating where you are going to be in a turn in the next 90 seconds.
Thank you Sir. My audio needs an upgrade, that's for sure!
I greatly appreciate you taking the time to create these videos, and replying to my question. It's amazing that we have this resource available to us. Unreal.
Thank you again!
Finally got around to practicing the traffic pattern today. Amazing tutorial, all the right references to know.👌 Small question on flap speeds, I don't believe it was discussed in one of your tutorials, but the way I'm caclulating the correct speed per flap setting is (as derived from your references in this video): V = (flaps 15 speed from FMC) +5kts - (flap angle - 15 deg)*kts. so flap speed 25 is 134 kts if 15deg flap speed is 139 kts. No idea if this works for higher gross weights though; Any thoughts?
Hi Twan,
you can make your life easier: Flap speeds are based on Vref40 (Vref at Flaps 40).
Flaps UP: Vref40+70
Flaps 1: Vref40+50
Flaps 5/10: Vref40+30
Flaps 15: Vref40+20
Flaps 30: Vref40+8
How did you set TO/GA without clicking the screw? 😮
3:04 Do you have kids? Because that was a dad joke. Love it.
I don't, otherwise you'd probably see one video per month ;-)
Interesting video!
How would you handle it with ATC in the pattern as you’re leaving the class Delta controlzone in EDLP which is only up to 2500ft ?
Would you try to get a special approval for that pattern or would you fly lower in real life?
We'd get special approval. If you want to do patterns anywhere in a commercial jet you will certainly give ATC a heads up with a phone call anyway, then you can discuss everything.
Can we do this on Vatsim under ATC? What is the procedure to report for ATC?
Hi Emanuel, do you ever use the FPV? I think its a great tool for flying visual and keeping a stable FPM descent. Anyway loved the video as always!
Hi, no I don't. Comes down to personal preference in the end, but I'm so used to using the raw data from my instruments that I never really needed the FPV.
Thanks for the tutorial. I got a question. For the life of me, I can not trim the airplane correctly, it keeps going nose down or up (or descent/climb). Have you got any tips to improve the trimming and keep the plane flying at steady altitude.
Most of the time my Simbrief (FMC Input) calculations are giving me a 5.2 on trim. Try setting trim to that before takeoff.
Turnaround procedurevwould be nace to learn. Sugestión, Captain.
Did a 5 hour flight from Venezuala to Mexico. About to land and ATC says go around. NOT ! You kidding me ?
Soooo good as ever Emmanuel. Any questions, this is default channel for me. So question this time is how do I make an extended centre line. i assumed I would pick a Star but you have a dotted line. Thx Alistair
Hi Alistair, load the approach in the FMC, then go to the LEGS page, select a direct to the FAF and choose the runway track (or rather: Final Approach Track as that'll be more relevant for your approach) as INBD CRS and voila.
@@A330Driver thanks as ever, off to EDLP to try!
can you please share with us how you set up the RWY extended center line? I'm struggling with this.
Simply enter a departure runway on the RTE page.
Hi Emanuel - I've got a quick question.... When on the descent in the latter stages of the approach, I notice that the engines idle at around 35% N1 which seems pretty high. This high idle only drops to a more normal 23% or so after touchdown. As a result slowing down when high on the approach is a real challenge. Is this true to life? Why does it idle at such a high 35% in flight? Is the PMDG thrust model correct and accurate? Many thanks, and love your videos.
That's normal indeed. The reason we have approach idle is that if you'd let the engine spool all the way to ground idle they'd take forever to spool up. Look at the Fenix, the Fenix engines are definitely taking much too long to spool up. That's what I'd expect if they weren't in approach idle.
@@A330Driver Gotcha. But then does that mean we need to add in extra descent distance, so the 1/3 rule plus extra to slow down.
Thanks for this! Very impressed :-) I have downloaded the free version of of EDLP.
I noticed in some real life 737 landing videos, the MCP lights flash, but not other lights. If it was camera refresh rate I would think other lights would also flash. Only happens in the MAX?
Definitely the cameras, the real plane doesn't flash. It would probably not get certification if it did LOL
Hi Emmanuel, any idea why GSX cannot view addon airports?
At the moment when you load up, GSX only see's default parking bays and incorrect bay numbers.
No idea really, if only they weren't so slow I would recommend the GSX support... I guess that's your best option.
Hello,
wow, very impressed on your Video !!
I am a PPL holder and sitting in a Homecockpit using Prosim737 mostly for training, not so much for flying from A to B.
So i really enjoy every Training Video i can find.
What i want to ask, because i did not find until now, what about ATC?
What is talked to ATC, how about Landing Clearence and so on if you do that in real live ?
Thanks
Matthias
Hi Matthias,
my VATSIM tutorial videos will probably be the clost you'll get for an "ATC tutorial" on my channel.
@@A330Driver That would be great !! 👍
I have 2004 Flt sim my computer only can handle it. My question is this looks so real complete cockpit, PMDG very nice even though I fly 2004 sim only can my computer. I have different liners with add-on nice panels. I enjoy Flt sim I can’t fly anymore this is my way especially liners. I use your videos to little help. Thanks
Sounds like it's time for a new computer ;-)
@@A330Driver that would be great, except I have Adobe products for graphic software that use my equipment and too expensive to replace Adobe software. But my Flt Sim is amazing for freeware. Thanks
I bet you own a very nice car you drive on the weekends 😂
How do i know where my passengers are seated because in my airline performance calculator i need to put where they are seated
That's info you'd get from the Load Information Document.
How many patterns/landings are required by the regulator - or is it operator decision? (EASA, LBA). Great video as always!
I believe 6 landings. At least in my company, not sure if that's a regulatory requirement.
@@A330Driver thanks!
6 is the minimum for ATPL students , minimum 12 is for MPL students done in two sessions
The PAPIS are hardly visible, I barely see them, they could really improve it.
They often are really hard to see from some distance in real life as well though.
At least they are by far not as visible as they used to be in P3D.
May I ask why not using the FPV because I think it is a very useful tool for manual fly without the FD😮
Because we're training real flying skills here - not computer assisted. Computer assisted is for line flying.
@@A330Driver Understood. But as far as I know,on Airbus A320,pilots usually do their base training with FPV and even autothrust. It’s much easier than fly a B737!😂Why was that？！
Are you from the Paderborn area?
Wow. Thank you so much! Question: at 45:28 you verify "speed brakes up" after touchdown. How do you verify / see that in the sim and real life? I see no indications. The green light still shows "SPD brakes armed". Thank you! ❤️
In real life: Check the physical lever has moved to the appropriate Position.
In the sim: Listen out for the sound the lever makes. Would be too hard to look down during the high speed stage of the landing roll so I use the sound as a trigger.
@@A330Driver wow. THANK YOU!.As a simmer with no physical flightdeck I have such question. You can not imagine the value of your answers. That you so much! ❤️
@@A330Driver is there any indication that the auto brakes are working?
Go to an outside view to see what position the spoilers are at.
@@pbr2805Isn't that cheating ? 😂
as i see you switched on the online data again? do you still get ctd with it or has asobo fixed the issue?
any news on that topic?
It has been fixed, Asobo states to update your Windows to the newest version. It was probably just a server side issue and had nothing to do with the sim (other than the fact that the error doesnt get handled properly and it crashes the application lol)
I've switched them on again and according to Asobo it's fixed when you update your windows to the latest version. Indeed I haven't had a crash since!
@@A330Driver I switched on online Data again. I flew 2 sectors without ctd. EDDL-LFLL-EDDL.
Sadly, I experienced a crash right know in the 2nd sector. EDDL-LIPZ-EDDL. Its always crashing in the 2nd sector. Maybe I will try to safe at the gate and restart MSFS to see if that will help.
Updated my Windows to the newest Version and all that.
The last week when I switched online data off, I have flown 4 legs at once without a ctd or frame loss. Or like 3h flights. No problem at all.
The eventviewer is only showing MSFS.exe as the problem. So nowhere to search really. Suckes a lot.
were you switching "Downwind" for "Base" or have I gone nuts?
I think it happened once on the first pattern, yes.
Is it VFR or IFR flight?
It's IFR, but visual approaches.
Do your instructors no longer say stand them up?
No, he'll say "my thrust" and will do it. But not say anything like it.
@@A330Driver oh. You fly for the airline that has passing 10 checks right?
Are you Emanuel H ? Men I know your voice.