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Never Miss Again! A Beginners Guide on How to Use Cannons! | Warhammer The Old World

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  • Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 36

  • @Swrdfshtrmbns
    @Swrdfshtrmbns 3 місяці тому +8

    Thank you for TOW tactic content please do more

    • @MordianGlory
      @MordianGlory  3 місяці тому +3

      Thank you! More Old World Tactics to come, I just needed to play a few games before I started doing this kind of content o7

  • @nanoid314
    @nanoid314 3 місяці тому +11

    I wrote a simple program to simulate the cannon ball bounce some time ago. After a million shots, the conclusion was that aiming 7 inches from the front of the target unit was optimal. For three ranks of infantry it works out to the same target point, but for small units there is a small difference.

    • @tidomann
      @tidomann 3 місяці тому

      I don't think it's as simply as a general rule. My program definitely found optimized distances for various base size and number of ranks. 10" from the back is a better general rule without wanting to refer to specific distances for each size and rank size

    • @tomsutton2042
      @tomsutton2042 3 місяці тому

      I have been doing 6 inches and it usually works

    • @bohansen5481
      @bohansen5481 3 місяці тому +2

      @@tomsutton2042 That's what she said.

    • @outandaboutintheworl
      @outandaboutintheworl 14 днів тому

      The problem with a rule of thumb measuring rom the front of the unit is it doesn't scale for deeper units. 7" from the centre is good for units with few ranks, but against deeper units doesn't make much sense. To make that same rule of thumb work for deeper units, remember that undershooting is just as wasteful as overshooting. So the centre of the unit becomes the best place to measure from. It gets a bit weird with base sizes and angles, but effectively if you fire 8" or 10" from the center of the unit you're maximizing your average hits. For units a few ranks deep this works out to be identical to your rule of 7" from the center, but for deeper units it pushes it back a bit and reduces the hits lost to undershooting (which don't produce any more overshoot due to the deeper units).

  • @cavemansam8400
    @cavemansam8400 3 місяці тому +8

    “Swords!?? Swords Black Adder!!? Only girls fight with swords! WE FIGHT WITH CANON SER!!”

  • @evilmrmole3747
    @evilmrmole3747 2 місяці тому +1

    As an empire player I’ve got all the other artillery but the canon and I didn’t understand how it worked with regards to the artillery dice having never seen one before I just skipped picking up a box of a canon and you’ve made me confident to get a couple many thanks steam tanks are awesome

  • @NoName-lo9ym
    @NoName-lo9ym 3 місяці тому +1

    Let's see your take on battlefield positioning of the cannon. I still subscribe to putting them on the extreme flank angled toward the centre of the enemy's line to maximise targets in your firing arc, however there is a school of thought that supports putting them in amongst your line to support with grapeshot.

  • @anthonyparente7858
    @anthonyparente7858 3 місяці тому +2

    Played a game on Tuesday and used the Great Cannon without an Engineer near it for the first time in a long time...What I've learned: I will not be using a cannon ever again without an Engineer 🤣 1st turn, Cannon misfires and I roll a "2" on the chart, out of commission till turn 3. 3rd Turn, Cannon missfires and I roll a "3", out of commission until Turn 5. My cannons generally do very well and I absolutely love them in this edition, not because they are better or do more damage (which they do not), there just seems to be more viable targets for Cannons in this edition like large monsters and Dragons.

  • @leathersmith88
    @leathersmith88 3 місяці тому +3

    I really hope dwarves get a new rune in there arcane journal that gives them +1 wound to their D3 damage rolls or lets them reroll the D3.

  • @tonk84
    @tonk84 3 місяці тому +2

    Pretty sure youre not allowed to target a point that may hit either a lone character or a friendly unit. Youd have to position the initial point somewhere different so theres no way of it accudentally making contact woth a friendly unit.

  • @Swrdfshtrmbns
    @Swrdfshtrmbns 3 місяці тому +3

    So another advantage to linehammer is that the maximum number of casualties you will take from a cannon is 1?

    • @luis2864
      @luis2864 3 місяці тому +2

      Yep, that’s one reason why napoleonic wars where fought in lines.
      Cannons gor to target big targets.

    • @LSOP-
      @LSOP- 3 місяці тому

      Can the line hammer meme die now? Hellblasters and ratling guns will eat you alive. Shooting isn't amazing this edition but it'll eat a line alive.

    • @sclarke6969
      @sclarke6969 3 місяці тому +1

      I mean it's not a meme. for ranged units it's essential. For normal infantry if you've drilled u want to abuse it. if u don't everyone is generally going things like 7x3 , 8x3 rather than what SHOULD be normal like 5x4 5x5 etc.

    • @outandaboutintheworl
      @outandaboutintheworl 14 днів тому

      @@sclarke6969 Why should 5x4 be normal? I've played Warhammer since 3rd ed and just accepted these funny little units that were deeper than they were wide. But that isn't how armies formed up historically. Hoplites would fight around 8 ranks deep, but hundreds wide. Viking and Anglo shieldwalls might be 5 deep, but against several hundred wide. Deep ranks only helped a little, but letting the enemy around your flanks was deadly.
      There are issues with linehammer, especially around drilled making this silly ultra-wide, 1 rank units. But setting a new normal around 7*3 or 8*2 is just fine. It looks better and looks a little bit more like how armies actually fought.

  • @capussa963
    @capussa963 3 місяці тому +1

    Personally I'm surprised it took you so long to learn of this trick!
    Also I miss the old days when you had to guess the range from your war machine, good artillery commanders could eyeball the range and still hit their target insanely often

  • @MatthewIneson
    @MatthewIneson 3 місяці тому +1

    More of this type of thing

  • @blecao
    @blecao 3 місяці тому

    Stadistically speaking th zone where its more common to hit is 10"-12" but since we usually want more to undershoot and not overshoot this is stadistically speaking correct not only based upon experience
    I tend to create a table for cannons on the old warhammer mostly to speed up thingsand i came more or less to the same result so seen this confirm it before testing it wich makes my happy

  • @gbgamer3949
    @gbgamer3949 3 місяці тому

    I feel like I should have joined a grumpy Englishman's patreon to get such great advice.
    Thanks

  • @luis2864
    @luis2864 3 місяці тому

    Love this videos! Wanna see more battle reports!

  • @BlueGoblin1
    @BlueGoblin1 3 місяці тому

    I will take tge volley gun and use my master engineer to purposefully get box cars on the missfire table. And watch the enemy commander on his dragon steed evaporate.

  • @Raygun9000
    @Raygun9000 3 місяці тому

    What if you shoot through the unit diagonally? Do you pass theough models or ranks?

  • @matthewlee2061
    @matthewlee2061 3 місяці тому

    My first time using a cannon, I rolled 3 misfires! One initial misfire, engineer re-roll misfire, then the final roll of 1 for a destroyed cannon. Typical luck for me!

  • @eldardave1226
    @eldardave1226 3 місяці тому +1

    First!!! Looking forward to another great video!!!

  • @SteelStorm33
    @SteelStorm33 3 місяці тому +1

    i wish skaven had a cannon...

    • @LSOP-
      @LSOP- 3 місяці тому +1

      Imagine, it could shoot lighting or something and be powered by warpstone!

  • @SquidFisT44
    @SquidFisT44 3 місяці тому

    It is the dice box!🐙🐙🐙🐙🐙🐙

  • @Frankie-McGough
    @Frankie-McGough 3 місяці тому +1

    Early squad assemble

  • @oloaf95
    @oloaf95 3 місяці тому

    Never played oldworld, but im curious, can you hit multiple rows by placing the target between the models?

    • @luis2864
      @luis2864 3 місяці тому

      Im afraid not.
      There are other war machines to hit big blocks such as mortars, helfire rocket batteries or hellblaster volley guns

  • @WeirdWizardDave
    @WeirdWizardDave 3 місяці тому

    But more importantly take an Engineer so you can reroll a poor artillery dice result.

  • @janehrahan5116
    @janehrahan5116 3 місяці тому +3

    *pretendts to take notes in bretonian*