I agree! SRV played with soul and you could tell by his expressions. He was better than Clapton, in my opinion. I know I will get some hate for that statement lol
To be fair to the Who, a lot of their reputation was built from their live performances rather than their records.Many people who saw them at their 60's and 70's peak say they were phenomenal live
Yes, I wish I'd seen the who playing somewhere like the marquee. I did see them at the town and country club sometimes in the 1990s I think, and they were pretty ordinary I thought.
My mate, Richard, had his Cortina nicked. Poilce found it, amazingly. The thieves had stripped the interior completely, but left his Genesis tape smack bang in the middle of the floor. The only thing left. He was devastated.
Not sure whether that's a joke or a true story. I'll take it as a true story, it certainly has the ring of truth about it! Thanks for taking the time to comment and please keep watching. Cheers!
To be fair, the word "British" crept into the title without me noticing. Although my experience is generally about British bands, I do occasionally touch on our American cousins, and those from the antipodes.. Great calls and I agree with most of them! Cheers!
I like all of those bands. My top 5 hated bands are REO Speedwagon, Toto, The Eagles , The Little River Band and Mike And The Mechanics. Huey Lewis and The News get an honourable mention.
I obviously don't agree with you and I'm very pleased we don't live next door to each other! Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate all points of view. Please keep watching!
I'll give you a course in how to get people to watch your UA-cam video one day, but today is not that day. Thanks for commenting and I hope you're going to watch more (just don't take the titles to literally). Cheers!
Fair enough, Jim. Different strokes for different folks. I also couldn't see the appeal of Grammar School or prog rock, maybe because I went from a council estate to a grammar school and fit in like a pork pie in a synagogue. Pretentious or what? I loved the Who, though. They were sensational live.
Cheers! I'm not sure I got my point fully across, which was that all the members of Genesis had only known a privileged background and had never done a stroke of work before they created the band and started pontificating about life.
I was born in '78 so Genesis was with Phil Collins and ultimately a pop band that had very strong hooks and seemingly intense themes but in reality, when people listen to bands because the music itself has strong hooks, the singer can be singing about literally his rock collection or the first time he caught the flu and nobody realizes nor cares. *I say this as a singer that can sing 7 octaves, a symphonic shred and sweep style guitarist relative to guys like Eric Johnson and my brother is one of the most powerful casting directors in all of American media.* That last detail always turns dark because while my brother has a career spanning over 40 years, *I have 29 years of life story as a victim of celebrity sex trafficking, it was unbelievable names of A-listers and even now, the sex scandals making the news are nothing in comparison to what I know.* Anyway, being the musician I am, the electronics engineer scientist and inventor I am and having the life story I do, *I couldn't give a crap about famous people as a whole.* The truth behind a lot of careers even for the most talented people is still so very often tied to what is ultimately just an industrialized sex cult that people literally sex crime their way into the cabal. *Hence, the Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox who referred to sex with him as "her glorious rape!" and bragged about it, and I've seen celebrities do this to girls that young firsthand.* They turned my neighbor into a 15 year old prostitute and I'll still see her on occasion in our shitty little Ohio town named Madison and popping up with A-list famous men and women. I've assumed my brother in the industry has been involved in pimping her out specifically because she was in love with me.
Wow thanks for sharing all that. I don't know where to start and as result, I'll just say thanks thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts on this channel. Cheers!
Queen is the one for me. Not that I don’t like them, but they became way bigger than they were in “ real time “. Certainly not as good as LED Zep or The Who in my book. Moody Blues is another… boring. But I do love Procol Harum
While I can't agree on the early stuff by The Who (basically the first two albums and the first few singles), I'm 80% with you there. I wish in a way you'd included The Beatles too, who I feel were the greatest Beat Group ever to come out of Liverpool but peaked circa 'A Hard Day's Night'.
Not sure I agree with you about the Beatles to be honest. When you think that they were the same age as the members of Genesis when they wrote and performed most of their great songs, the difference between the two bands is staggering. The members of the Beatles had a varied and more robust history than Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and their chums. I'm a big champion of the Beatles I'm afraid, though I do agree that their solo stuff after the band broke up is generally pretty lame. Cheers!
@@JimDriver It's Macca I have a problem with. With John's songs, he usually sounded passionate or vulnerable (depending on the song), but Paul nearly always comes across to me as "clever" and smug. That said, when I saw him live in 1990 it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen!
@JimDriver BTW, only Gabriel, Rutherford and Banks went to Charterhouse, Collins and Hackett joined later. Yes, I was a fan back in the day, love Seconds Out
I enjoy some early Who, but they turned into a ‘concept band’. I got convinced to go and to see them with friends in 2007 at The Rose Bowl, it was the most boring gig I’ve ever attended. They performed a song called Tea & Theatre, holding actual mugs of tea onstage. I felt mugged!
I used to like Zeppelin, but after I found out how they "stole" or "borrowed" music without giving proper credit turned me off. When they stole from Spirit and got away with it, in my opinion, that really upset me. It was taken without credit and I don't care what a court ruling says.
Bro say what you want about the stolen lyrics (because yeah it’s pretty much just lyrics) but I’m sorry, you’re a goof if you think they stole stairway from spirit. You don’t steal a basic chord progression that’s been in written music since the beginning. It was such an obvious cash grab from the estate of randy California, he didn’t even do anything about it himself and probably would disagree with it.
Great video, Jim, as ever. I agree with some of what you say, and disagree with other bits. But I'd defend to the death your right... etc etc. At the end of the week, it's down to personal taste & horses for courses, as others have said.
Jim, as usual, spot on ... and very much share the same opinion.I do like some of the music of the above bands and some of the individual musicians (Clapton isn't one of them lol ) ... but never got the theatrical prog thing either (Genesis flower pot? wtf?), neither the "original blatant ripp off" some of those bands performed.Some even argued that they really didn't "borrow" those riffs, it just came to them in a "sacred muse inspired vision" ... had once an argument with Mr Page regarding that subject, and his choice of "muse".🤔(Yep, never meet your idols in person, and definitely not near a well stocked bar lol 😄)
Great comment: thank you very much for sharing it with us! Thanks too for the the kind words. I'm sure plant, page, and the rest were hallucinating when they were banking, their royalty cheques …🥸
And also, people who don't make videos can come on and criticise those who do. 😀 Thanks for taking part and I hope you subscribed, so I can push more of my "misguided" opinions your way. Cheers!
Not keen on Queen myself, but I get the most defensive responses from many people when I tell them that. After watching the excellent support acts (inc. Supercharge & Steve Hillage) at their Hyde Park concert in 1976 I gave them a chance but realised halfway through their 1st song I wasn't going to enjoy it, so walked out - possibly the only time I've left an event early.
I saw Supercharge a couple of times in the mid-70s. They were brilliant. They supported Suzi Quatro at Manchester University in 1976 and went down a storm. As soon as they finished, nearly everyone left, and she played to a virtually empty room.
Queen pissed me off at Live Aid. Everyone else was explicitly playing for Africa, many of them clearly passionate about the cause. Queen were just playing a big gig on tv, for nobody but themselves. The ego had landed. My brother took me to a Queen gig and by far the best thing about it was Supercharge. They were great.
I think quite a lot depends on how you feel on the day. I've missed out on a few killer performances because I wasn't in the mood. Thanks for watching and sharing your views. Please keep watching and commenting! Cheers!
@@JimDriver I've never liked Queen Jim, since I first heard 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' on the radio - I thought they were pretentiousness & lacked soul. Then, when they played Sun City - well!
I'm not a Queen fan, but again it has to be said, they were very good live. There are many artists whose skill I can appreciate, but their music does little for my viscera. Page was good with the Yardbirds, but the truth is I actually listen to Beck.
I was never into Led Zep or Genesis, some of my chums thought they was great,but they was just trying to be sophisticated , really they liked T rex and slade.
Yes, that makes sense. He was certainly was one for the "correct protocol". I can remember listening to all this going on (and it took quite a long time) before I was eventually told to get down. Weird!
@@JimDriver must admit I like Tull think even johhny rotten liked aqualung,good showman Ian Anderson but lousy at telling blokes to get down off roofs lol
Indeed! Although there were some great bands in the 1960s and 1970s, punk was a much-needed group that swept away a lot of old rubbish. Thanks for sharing those thoughts and please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
I used to work with Mo marriots' dad in Ashford railway shed, Chart Leacon, mild quiet guy, could have given it all up but preferred to write poetry in our dinner breaks and support a migrane charity, and kent County cricket club!
I have all the early WHO, Cream, Yardbirds singles. Never rated Zep or Clapton. Who is the fifth one cause the airplane were not British. Loved Genesis till they morphed into Collins backing group. For me Dire Straits lived up to their name like ELP and Yes they were created to send you to sleep.
As a musician, I'm definitely in the camp of not feeling like you have to make the live show match the recordings. Shows come and go, but recordings are forever. Might as well go all out. Also, other than a few songs, I was never a fan of Genesis, especially in the poppy, synth-driven stuff. Same for Jefferson Airplane/Starship. Jimmy Page is a massive thief who also co-wrote some good songs.
Thanks for that. I agree that the stage show should reflect the recorded work but I do like a bit of live performance flair in there as well. Faithfully recreating album tracks note for note doesn't work for me: it's what tribute bands do. I take your point about JP. Cheers!
Fantastic commentary. For what it’s worth, I see myself as a third kind of music fan. There’s a huge part of me that’s pretty much the collector type you mentioned, but I’m also passionate about the live experience (well, at least as long as it’s a small venue). I’m pretty much with you on your picks except The Who, which I love. As for Led Zeppelin, it still boggles my mind that they won the lawsuit brought by the band Spirit, and Willie Dixon should have gotten a lot richer than he did, they ripped him off so much.
Thanks for kind words and I agree with practically everything you say. Thanks for taking the time to share those thoughts and please keep watching. Cheers.
Agree with all those mate…. I felt at the time that I was hearing something different to everyone else when listening to people around me raving about these bands….
Yes, there were lots of legal wrangles around Zepp's "songs" and because of their money and legal might, the band usually won. It's the way of the world, I'm afraid. Thanks for watching and for commenting. Cheers!
Have to agree on prog rock its so soulless and pretentious. I like some of Jethro tulls rockier songs like hymn 43 but prog rock just leaves me bored. Also never got into zeppelin and i hate stairway to heaven.
Thanks for that. I always like it when someone agrees with me. 🤓 I hope you're gonna keep watching my videos. It will be pointless if you weren't. Cheers!
"He (Clapton) didn't give me the emotional support I need from a band." Do you really need emotional support from a band? They are entertainers, not family members or therapists.
I never got into Genesis or Jefferson Airplane/Starship. I liked some Cream tracks, though Clapton was hugely overrated. I loved Led Zeppelin and saw them live twice. The Who were patchy. After Who's Next, they fell away, in my opinion, but I loved their 60s singles, Tommy, and Who's Next. I saw them at Charlton Athletic football ground in 1976, and they were fantastic. There are no bands or musicians I truly hate. I reserve that emotion for the likes of Tony Blair, Keir Starmer, and Sadiq Khan.
We may agree on musical matters, but we definitely don't agree on politics! But it's always good to have different points of you and I hope you keep watching my videos. Cheers!
I don't like the Beatles. I used to like the doors but they've remastered the albums so many it sounds like garbage now. The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield and the Dead are tough listens for me. I've been surprisingly enjoying the non surf beach boys, Roxy Music and Crazy Horse. I didn't like them growing up but appreciate it now with older ears. Also Steppenwolf and The Animals. I really enjoy this channel and just subscribed!
Thank you very much for subscribing and for the kind words. Also thank you, for the great comment. I agree everything you say, we can't agree about the Beatles! Thanks again and please keep watching. Cheers!
Thanks for subscribing and for the kind words. Thanks too for a great comment and I agree with practically everything that you say, apart from the Beatles! Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
In my first year at university best mate was a Genesis fan. That was 1981 so they were getting a bit dated by then. They left me cold ( and bored). I was a council house kid and her family were certainly better off than mine and I've always wondered if they mostly appealed to 'posher' kids. She did kind of lose interest in them once she got into student ways. Moved on to Japan and Gary Numan at any rate. Is that progress? 😀
I agree with you about Led Zeppelin and Genesis. Genesis represent all that I dislike about prog rock which always seemed to be motivated by demonstrating cleverness rather than making an emotional connection with the listener. I have mixed feelings about The Who; I like their singles but not their albums, which seemed a lot of pretentious tosh. I disagree about Cream and Eric Clapton. I think he is one of the most expressively brilliant guitarists in rock history; check him out in The Concert for George Harrison, for example, and some of his playing with Cream and John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers. Jefferson Airplane were of their time.
I never had the slightest interest in them; found them totally underwhelming, but I also quite liked the cuts from "Trick of the tail" that I heard on the radio. I also liked Peter Gabriel's early solo stuff. So when he quit them, I got two acts I liked a bit for one I didn't like at all.
I like Genesis a lot, already as a teenager in the 70s. My top-3 fav Genesis album: 1. Foxtrot 2. Lamb 3. Selling England. It's always surprising how different people's music tastes are. My country (Finland) is pretty equal so I don't understand your reasoning at all, that emphasis on class thinking. The parents are rich and the musicians went to private school, so what. It is completely irrelevant, the most important thing is music and imagination. And their art touches me, the son of quite poor parents.
My point was that I had very different reference points to the members of the band and. As I expect music to convey some meaning to me, I I had very little to gain from listening to Genesis. And they were shit… 🤓
can't disagree Jim,but for me..Cream were good in spots, the Who lost me after Sell Out ..and might I add an RIP to Shel Talmy who produced the Who. Kinks and Creation in their formative years
Another really enjoyable video, even if you dig out one of my favourite bands - The Who. I'm so delighted that someone has finally said how awful Led Zeppelin are, that I'm going to let your dislike of The Who pass. Great videos, which always bring back a few memories for me. Looking forward to more.
Jim Amazed by your list,, I think your are pulling all our legs, these are the best bands in musical history apart from Jefferson Starship who were genuinely not very good, why is Yes and King Crimson not on your list?, these are also wonderful bands, however I agree about Clapton but only after Cream ended, because he became far too commercial, These bands were far better than your favourite band, the Beatles because they were a studio band and had a genius called George Martin behind them, however I still like what you put out, take care
Thanks, I appreciate you checking it down to a comment. Even if we don't agree, I always like hearing other people's views. I wasn't pulling any legs, those bands genuinely make me angry and/disappointed. Cheers!
I'm with you on all these. I liked My Generation & I Can't Explain by The Who as a kid but everything else you mention I'm totally on board with. In fact I'd add Pink Floyd (post Syd) to the list too.
Yes, Pink Floyd very nearly made the list and would certainly be on a future video of the same subject. You're right about my generation and I can't explain: they're the only two who songs I don't actually hate. Cheers!
He can be very annoying, I agree. But certain songs have stayed with me over the years thanks for taking part. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
Genisis were before my time....only know their 80's pop/rock singles, some of which I quite liked. Same with Led Zep.....never understood the appeal of Robert Plant's wailing....though I've liked some of his less noisy stuff over the past few decades.
Thanks for the great comment. I like to think that Robert Plant might have rehabilitated himself: his work with Alison Krauss shows he might be on the straight and narrow finally. I seem to have cut the segment out of the video but I originally said that Genesis seemed to veer between pompous pomp rock and blithely cheerful pop rock. Both of which I find nauseating, to be honest. Cheers!
I like the naivety of Genesis early stuff. There's an honesty that comes across probably due to not much interference from the record label. I think they were a boutique band. Although they were Prog Rock, i tried listening to other Prog Rock bands and i'm not fascinated by them as i am with Genesis. The music alone is mindblowingly brilliant because they were serving their quirky songs. Even the stage act was honest. They were boring on stage so Peter Gabriel would take that as a challenge to keep people in their seats and combat his shyness. But i get that you either obsess over this band or they leave you cold. For me, the fact that they were in their early 20's making this music is staggering.
Each to their own, I always say. I never saw U2 play, though I once nearly put them on at the cricketers. It's a long story… Thanks for taking the time to comment. Cheers!
Hi Jim, I think you and I are of a similar age. All the bands you have mentioned where the ones you had to like to be in with the crowd when we were young. I had records by most of them and considered myself cool as I wasn't listening to pop music or Motown chart music. My ears came alive with bands like Dr Feelgood, Grahame Parker and the Rumour, the Motors etc Followed by my head exploding in delight with punk. I turned my back on what had been cool to like , despite many of my mates still raving about what a great replacement Phil Collins was for Peter Gabriel (?). Thanks to John Peel's shows around the same time I went off in my own trajectory and learnt to listen to stuff out of my comfort zone and even today I keep finding new bands to listen to. I could add loads to your list but a sort of agree with your assumptions about all five bands, I still have a listen to early Genesis and certain Who songs. Have a listen to Molly Tuttle and the Golden Highway's "bluegrass" version of White Rabbit, her brother Kyle puts his soul into the banjo solo at the end.
Great review Jim ,as, for me there was a few bands I just didn't get, Queen, Yes, Genesis, Roxy Music and that's just the 70's pretentious ****holes. Give me straight up classic rock everytime to get the feet tapping and the head banging.
I have and like "A trick of the tail" by Genesis, everything else no thanks. Phil Collins voice grates me on everything else. Eric Clapton is technically a very good guitarist, however his playing is soulless. Compared to Stevie Ray Vaughan, my favorite guitarist, he doesn't compare. No time for Led Zep, The Who, Rolling Stones, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, The Eagles, Iron Maiden, Yes and many more of this genre. Thank God punk arrived and saved me. Now 1976-1981 that was an amazing time, music wise.
Yes, indeed. At one time, every fledgling rock band tried to do Stairway to Heaven as their encore. Most of them included it on their demo cassettes, which made it easier to weed them out! Cheers!
I quite like Cream - very important band with some great tunes, but a bit overrated for me. I love Led Zep, but you have to say that your concerns about them are fair enough. I entirely agree with you about Genesis, The Who & Jefferson Whatever though!
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts (especially when you agree with me!). I must admit, my views have changed quite a lot and so I have made conflicting videos in the past. Cheers!
I was thinking before I watched the video "I don't actually hate any band". Then you mentioned Led Zepplin... We al like different things and there's nothing wrong in that. The only song by Jefferson Airplane that I can remember is White Rabbit which to this day I think is excellent.
Part of the reason for me making these videos is to stir it up and provoke thought. But mainly it's entertainment. Thanks for taking part and please keep watching. Cheers!
Agree with every word, Jim, the only slight soft spot is for early Jefferson Airplane. They were a bit like The Monkees for heds, but Grace Slick was an interesting singer. I have catholic tastes with a few blind spots, basically I strongly dislike metal apart from the excellent Motorhead. Can't stand any band with make up except for Aladdin Sane period Bowie, and positively hate prog, no exceptions.
Ha ha, I agree with most of what you say! In retrospect, I'm not being a bit harsh on Jefferson starship/aeroplane, I can remember that when I put them on it was usually a week of trauma and things going wrong! Thanks for watching and for come in. Please do it all again. Cheers!
The problem, in my opinion, is the legacy of lunkheaded lyrics. No matter how good the song, there was always a dumb line in there. REO Speedwagon falls into this same camp.
In the mid 60s we lived around the corner from the Uppercut club in Forest Gate. I still remember walking past the street it was in late at night with my dad and hearing this really loud live music. It may have been The Who?
If you don't like twee Prog-rock I'm actually suprised that you didn't mention Yes or Moody Blues (?) instead of Cream & the Who who actually created rock history. Jethro Tull was pushed into Prog-rock category after overblown Thick As a Brick, but original line-up music was completely something different. Anyway, I like your against-the-grain ethos, maybe you should argument it a bit better.
I wasn't expecting to agree with you quite so strongly Jim! For much the same reasons too - these bands didn't speak to my experience or emotions and generally a bit over-hyped. The exception is Airplane - the early stuff is incredible, but I completely agree with you about Starship, something really unpleasant happened to them and it wasn't just the drugs. Jethro Tull were one of the best live acts of the 70s, bar none, so for me the acceptable side of prog ... and fish farming 🤣
At last: we've found the acceptable face of fish farming! Thanks for the great comment and for the kind words. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
Here’s an irony. The only Genesis album I have any time for is the live one, “Seconds Out” ! I do like Genesis, but I prefer their story to their actual music {except that album}. I do want to comment on one thing you said though, which was that one of your objections to Genesis was that they were singing songs but had no life experience. That is true of virtually every artist under the age of 29. What experience did the Sex Pistols have ? Or Bob Dylan ? Or the Beatles ? Or Stevie Wonder ? Or Ray Charles ? Well, it’s nuanced, because it depends on what one means by life experience. I’d argue that the 4 members of Genesis that were carted off to public school had a life experience by their early 20s every bit as interesting and valid as John Lennon, or John Lydon or Steve Jones or Aretha Franklin who got pregnant at 12 and had 2 kids by the time she was 15. But you know, a few years back, I was listening to Mahogany Rushes two albums, “Child of the Novelty” and “Strange Universe,” and when I realized that the writer of all the songs, Frank Marino, was 20 and 21 at the time the albums were recorded {and he produced them too}, it got me thinking about how mature his songs were which then got me thinking about people like Mick Jagger and Pete Townshend and George Harrison back in the mid-’60s and some of the great lyrics they wrote in songs like “Get off of my cloud,” “My generation” and “Think For Yourself” when they were 20-22. Many, many songwriters wrote great lyrics while very young and had little life experience. But whatever life experience one has had, one can only write out of what one knows or imagines. By the way, the lyrics of Genesis’ “Supper’s Ready” did come out of a weird experience that Peter Gabriel purportedly had. Cream are an interesting outfit. They were at the vanguard of psychedelic rock, jazz-rock, heavy metal rock and progressive rock and stand unique, along with the Hendrix Experience, in rock. Cream’s pioneering dabbling in all of those forms of music was largely accidental though, as they didn’t really know what they were doing {or more accurately, hadn’t decided in which direction they were going} and made it up as they went along. So it’s not surprising that it is felt that they were rather soulless in their songs. But to be honest with you, I couldn’t tell if someone was playing with emotion and soul or going through the motions, not in the multitracking age. At the end of the day, a recording is a recording. None of us knows whether or not the musicians and singers were vesting their being in that specific performance that got released…..or whether they knew the piece well and were thinking about the ironing. As for Clapton and his 70s racism storm, all I can say is that Eric Clapton was a messed up individual from the day he was born. Thinking your Grandma is your Mum and your Mum is your big sister and thinking your step-Grandad is your Dad, then one day discovering the truth.....doesn’t lend itself well to stability and balance, especially when it dawns on you that the people you love have been lying to you all of your life. Being blitzed by LSD then heroin and chasing down a Beatle’s wife when you don’t really want her once you have her {Eric more or less admits this} tells one a lot about Eric. George’s song “Savoy Truffle” on the White Album is somewhat prophetic - it’s a tale of someone who is addicted to chocolates but George went on to say it was about Eric. The protagonist in the song is messed up if one listens closely enough. In a way, his racist voicings in the 70s, after a life of being inspired by Black bluesmen and having a hit with a Bob Marley song is very much Eric Clapton - a man who barely knows his left foot from his right knee. He had shown those tendencies in his 1968 interview with Rolling Stone where he shows an interesting side to himself, giving vent to his thoughts about the White English public and how they had fallen for the myth of the Black man and his huge phallus. A man of strange jealousies and given to rants that he hadn’t thought through. A spell as an alcoholic was pretty inevitable after all of this. Bloody hell, Eric ! I’ve dug Led Zeppelin for 45 years now. I first came across them and collected all their albums when I lived in Nigeria, of all places. They’re infamous for their musical thievery, but it’s more than a stretch to say “they stole everything.” They did nick a lot though. While some of it is negligible, what they did to Jake Holmes is inexcusable - even though their “Dazed and Confused” is pretty matchless. By the time of their 4th LP, they were trying to do the right thing, credits-wise, part-crediting Memphis Minnie for "When The Levee Breaks" and Richie Valens' Mum for "Boogie With Stu." I still chuckle at the fact that the other writer of the song they ripped off for "Boogie," Bob Keane, still sued them for ripping off the song "Ooh My Head." It's an even worse steal than the Jake Holmes one ! Of their original run of albums, the only songs of theirs I dislike are “I can’t quit you babe,” “D’yer mak’er,” “Candy Store rock” and “I’m Gonna Crawl.” I also heartily dislike the live album, “The Song Remains The Same.” Live, I always found their sound weedy, unlike Deep Purple or Status Quo. But I think their studio stuff was madly creative. By the way, I spent part of my honeymoon in Tenby, back in ‘97. Great region. The Who are a strange band in my pantheon. I tried so hard to like them in that mid-to-late 70s run when I found a liking for the Beatles, the Stones, Jimi, Zeppelin, Purple, Sabbath, Floyd, Creedence, Poco, Melanie and others. But apart from “My generation,” I just couldn’t get into them. Then fast forward to 1996 and I found that I really liked most of “Tommy” and their 60s singles when I gave them a chance. I think it was “Listening To You” from the “Woodstock” movie that really did it. Since then, I’ve been well into the Who of that period. I too have no time for “Quadrophenia” and I have long had issues with Roger Daltrey. I have never rated him as a singer. I mean, he can sing, obviously, but unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who, when singing Geezer Butler’s lyrics, so infused his personality into the songs that he Ozzified them and made it seem like they were his lyrics, whenever I hear Roger Daltrey singing, I still think of Pete Townshend. And I adore “Boris the Spider.” The story behind it is nearly as good as the song. I like the video, by the way. I don’t have to agree with something in a video in order to enjoy it and I don’t have to argue with the person I may disagree with, either. In fact, disagreement, or let’s say, a difference of opinion, often makes for better conversations. As for Jefferson Airplane and the Starship, well, the Airplane have long been an integral part of rock history for me. Grace Slick’s autobiography is almost a must-read. But I could never get into their actual music. And as for Jefferson Starship, they actually put together a really good song and performance on the infamous 1978 Star Wars Holiday special, a show so bad that it’s never been shown again since, and one that Star Wars creator, George Lucas, has said if he could, he would obliterate every surviving copy. There are bootlegs that are floating around the internet and it is truly horrendously awful. I’ve been forced to watch it twice. There’s nothing to commend it. But Jefferson Starship’s song is the only moment in the show where I am not simultaneously consumed by diarrhoea and nausea.
BINGO! on all these groups. EXACTLY right on every single group for all the right reasons. I'm 64 and saw all these groups whose music didn't really right true.
I must be honest, Phil Collins and his brand of middle-aged Rock-Pop filled me with dismay. But, if we were all the same, wouldn't life be boring? Thanks for checking out and for watching: please keep doing so as long as you can stand it!
Thanks and thank you very much for saying so! Yes, the comment section on this one has been quite difficult. You should see the ones I've had to delete, not because they are critical (I don't mind that) but because they're totally offensive, I'm not just to me!! Thanks again. Cheers!
Genesis agree, I like Gabriel's solo stuff. Disraeli Gears and Pete Brown's lyrics are still epic but Eric God is boring, agree. Zep agree Dr Sardonicus was better on my mates Russian stereo. The late Who, boring but really got into Quadrophenia, I had a Lambretta. Starship was far worse than awful Airplane.
I think my mono record player was Russian. It didn't look anything like the picture, as it has a single external speaker. Quite agree about Dr. Sardonicus: spirit sound as fresh today as they did back then. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
You explain yourself very well, and I agree with much of it! Some artists I go back and forth with as I struggle to get into but keep trying, like Genesis. I don't hate 'em, but could never truly connect with their albums, as with Jethro Tull. I've always hated everything about Clapton, and love how Hendrix offered to let Clapton tune his guitar for him at that famous show in London in '67, basically the equivalent of telling the rock cognoscenti to shine his shoes, and his little Jimi while they're at it. I have mixed feelings about Zep, as I do like the albums no matter how badly they plagiarized, stole, and were generally horrible humans. The Who were a great singles band, but Townshend's ego refused to accept that he wasn't a genius who could write meaningful stories. He could not, but his nonsensical narratives were still good enough for rock fans.
Yes, the Grateful Dead get more praise than I think they deserve. Maybe they'll make a future list because I think I'm definitely going to have to do more of these. Cheers!
You're very harsh. I don't judge people so much, even if they do like prog-rock 😄 People keep telling me I should work from a script: I tried it and it looked terrible. Cheers!
I don't hate anyone or anything. However, and with a view to this, groups I don't particularly like are Yes, ELP, Supertramp, Level 42, Radiohead ( and its various offshoots ) Genesis, Queen, and many others. Incidentally, the chap on Classic Rock is not even fifty years old! Now I know no one can help the way they look ( I'm no oil painting ) but he must have had a hard life! There's a lot of more mature presenters here on UA-cam that are bringing back unfortunate memories, at least to me, of Bob Harris, Ellen & Hepworth and Tommy Vance. I won't mention their names, but they're so boring I can't even get through one of their posts. It seems as if they've stayed the same since they Were a tedious and very earnest teenager. Talk about terminal boredom!
Thanks for your very revealing and entertaining comment. I agree with almost everything you say. Thanks for checking part and please keep doing so. Cheers!
Genesis, the middle class boys bands when I entered a boys comp in 79 into punk/reggae. Hated them. I’ve much later got into some prog influenced stuff but Genesis, nada. But then I expect Genesis fans didn’t get early Scritti Politti.
I think I'm old because I always enjoy a wide range of music, though I never get involved in any cult, such as becoming a mod or a skinhead. Thanks for taking part and please keep doing so. Cheers!
I’m totally with you on Genesis, too much of an effort required to listen to them. Some silly song titles that the songs don’t match up to, unlike with Steve Hillage/Gong, where what you see on the sleeve is as daft as what you hear when you put the record on. The Who were great up till “Quadrophenia” which would have been a decent record had it just been a single album but after 1974 they went downhill no argument from me on that one. Cream would have sounded a lot better than they did had they appeared about 3 or 4 years later by which point recording technology had seriously improved. First Cream LP was recorded on a 2-track machine and I don’t think they ever got beyond 8-track (if that) by the time they split in 1968. I was just listening to a Cream live album before stopping to watch your video - it’s fine but the BEST recording I’ve heard of them is on a 2LP set called “Live In San Diego 1968” which is from the mixing desk and way clearer than anything on their studio albums. Clapton went seriously off the boil after Cream. Incidentally, in contrast to Clapton, Ginger Baker was big mates with Fela Kuti and was pretty much an honorary black man. Amongst other things he built a studio in Nigeria which was closed down by Decca Records via legal action pretty much instantly although I think Paul McCartney managed to record a couple of tracks there (for “Band On The Run”) before this happened. He also gave full credit to the drumming from west Africa as having inspired his playing. Jefferson Airplane are patchy but I am ok with some of it and can’t hate them. Zeppelin are special, though. “Whole Lotta Love” was ripped off from “You Need Love” by Willie Dixon, who, while he didn’t get a credit for that one until 1994 I think, does get credited for at least two tracks on Zeppelin’s first album. Small Faces just covered it first, that’s all. Incidentally, Steve Marriott was the first choice as the singer for the original lineup of “Le(a)d Zeppelin” but this idea was dropped after threats from Don Arden. Lineup would have been: Jimmy Page & Jeff Beck-guitars, John Entwistle-bass, Keith Moon-drums and possibly Nicky Hopkins-piano. The above lineup with John Paul Jones replacing Entwistle recorded “Beck’s Bolero” which fetched up on Jeff Beck’s “Truth” LP, for which none of them were properly credited if at all on the sleeve. Zeppelin stole a LOT of stuff like you say but they did it very well. Even their least popular album, “In Through The Out Door”, would be a 5-star album had any other band released it. Some people expect them to sound just like the record live which they didn’t and don’t get the live stuff when they hear it but plenty of people do, they are the most bootlegged band ever, and most of these bootlegs are live. Whatever you may think of them, they are (for me, anyway) the best rock & roll band ever. Accept no substitute.
Thanks for your fantastic comment! I agree we practically everything that you say. I did have a couple of stories about Ginger Baker and Jack Brace but I cut them out in the edit as they weren't particularly enlightening or even entertaining. Please keep watching and commenting and I look forward to reading, your next comment. Cheers!
I agree with this list now Clapton I learn he's only good with hit songs. I made the mistake of being his album when I was kid and hearing a guy actually was a racist singing Hand Jive was a put off for me. Now Zeppelin I love House's of the Holy. The who great hit songs. But my brother had 1 album it was ok. Genesis I can't stand them I've never a deep dive. I only Gabriel Shock the monkey. I would add Fleetwood Mac to that list I made the mistake when I was 11 and I bought Tusk thinking it would a Heavy Metal album. I MEAN the idea of Tusk sounds Primal boy was I disappointed.
Another great vid Jim , I saw the Who about a dozen times at the Marquee in a small venue they were great , but once they moved to bigger venues not the same.
Having trouble with all music critics who present a very liberal facade when it comes to their likes and dislikes but claim on their thumbnail that their passion runs to"HATE! ". NOBODY CARES!
Agree wholeheartedly Stairway to Heaven is a song that I have to physically retune my radio or turn off if it comes on, it just winds me up something chronic. The problem is most of them end up believing their own hype, being told they are the best thing since sliced bread they end up believing it. Plus they all got into the “concept” album as if the message they were giving was supposed to mean anything to a working class guy who just wants to dance and get drunk and get lucky…. Pretentiousness at its best is Rock….or prog rock if you want to call it that
When it comes down to it, it's all about personal preferences and tastes. I can't stand much pub rock, but not because I don't like live music but because I appreciate good music. I couldn't care less about the lyrics as long as the music is good. I don't care if the musicians are from the housing estate round the corner or went to school at Eton. It's all about personal tastes... 😜
Indeed, it is! I suppose some is about who is holding the camera at the time but as anybody at all could make a UA-cam video, I look forward to watching lots of conflicting stories!😎😀 Thanks for taking part and please keep watching. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the kind words. See the previous post for my reaction to Pink Floyd. I don't hate them, but for me, the jury is out. Thanks again! Cheers!
I am a child the 60s and I don't really hate anybody. But I've got to make videos about something and people seem to like it when I go "controversial". Just wait till you see what my next video's about!
I was agreeing with you until you got to Jefferson Airplane. It seems to me that the band you didn't like was Jefferson Starship. As you point out, this was often only one member of the former band. After Bathing at Baxters is one of my all time favourite albums.
Different strokes for different folks, but I see what you mean. Nevertheless, quite have lots of what the old Jefferson Airplane did was pretty gruesome at times! Thanks for checking and please keep doing so. Cheers!
“I don’t think Eric Clapton expresses his soul when he’s playing, or maybe he does and that’s the problem.” Spot on critique! Keep ‘em coming, Jim! 😂
Thank you! I do try my best to make entertaining. Cheers!
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Agree totally about Clapton, would much rather listen to the great J.J Cale, Led Zep I completely disagree with, but hey ho.
I agree! SRV played with soul and you could tell by his expressions. He was better than Clapton, in my opinion. I know I will get some hate for that statement lol
Careful Jim, you don't want to get done for hate speech! Then again, when it comes to Eric Clapton, its hard to hold back innit.
"In for me! In for me! They've all got it infamy!" Isn't that how it went 😝 Thanks for watching and for taking part. Cheers!
I feel the same way about Phil bloody Collins!
To be fair to the Who, a lot of their reputation was built from their live performances rather than their records.Many people who saw them at their 60's and 70's peak say they were phenomenal live
Yes, I wish I'd seen the who playing somewhere like the marquee. I did see them at the town and country club sometimes in the 1990s I think, and they were pretty ordinary I thought.
They were well burned out in the 90s...They hit their peak of greatness with Tommy at Woodstock&Isle of Wight
My mate, Richard, had his Cortina nicked. Poilce found it, amazingly. The thieves had stripped the interior completely, but left his Genesis tape smack bang in the middle of the floor. The only thing left. He was devastated.
Not sure whether that's a joke or a true story. I'll take it as a true story, it certainly has the ring of truth about it! Thanks for taking the time to comment and please keep watching. Cheers!
For me it’s
1) Chicago
2) Foreigner
3) Pearl Jamb
4) Grateful Dead
5) Bruce Springsteen
He said British bands can't you read
Oasis would definitely top my list
@@60sPsycheFanatic Jefferson Airplane are British?
@@bruce6014 If you had a brain you would equal a cabbage.
To be fair, the word "British" crept into the title without me noticing. Although my experience is generally about British bands, I do occasionally touch on our American cousins, and those from the antipodes.. Great calls and I agree with most of them! Cheers!
I like all of those bands. My top 5 hated bands are REO Speedwagon, Toto, The Eagles , The Little River Band and Mike And The Mechanics. Huey Lewis and The News get an honourable mention.
I obviously don't agree with you and I'm very pleased we don't live next door to each other! Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate all points of view. Please keep watching!
You hate Pink Floyd as well.
80% of music is kinda unlistenable. I really despise rap and metal. Springsteen i tried to like, but he is mostly fake emotionally.
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@JimDriver Cool from you bro!
Hate? Dislike ok, but hate? Hate is such a strong feeling.
It’s an allowed legal word to use according to websters
I'll give you a course in how to get people to watch your UA-cam video one day, but today is not that day. Thanks for commenting and I hope you're going to watch more (just don't take the titles to literally). Cheers!
Hate is an emotion you can trust
Hate gets you to click on it.
Worked on me 😂
@@JimDriver You feel as a winner?
Fair enough, Jim. Different strokes for different folks. I also couldn't see the appeal of Grammar School or prog rock, maybe because I went from a council estate to a grammar school and fit in like a pork pie in a synagogue. Pretentious or what? I loved the Who, though. They were sensational live.
Cheers! I'm not sure I got my point fully across, which was that all the members of Genesis had only known a privileged background and had never done a stroke of work before they created the band and started pontificating about life.
@@JimDriver Except your wrong, Steve Hackett and Phil Collins were working class
Who really gives a shit whether you like a band/performer or not!
It’s your choice, and doesn’t make any difference to anybody else!
It seems to matter to you. Thanks for taking the time to comment on my entertaining video. Please keep watching and commenting… 🥸
I was born in '78 so Genesis was with Phil Collins and ultimately a pop band that had very strong hooks and seemingly intense themes but in reality, when people listen to bands because the music itself has strong hooks, the singer can be singing about literally his rock collection or the first time he caught the flu and nobody realizes nor cares.
*I say this as a singer that can sing 7 octaves, a symphonic shred and sweep style guitarist relative to guys like Eric Johnson and my brother is one of the most powerful casting directors in all of American media.*
That last detail always turns dark because while my brother has a career spanning over 40 years, *I have 29 years of life story as a victim of celebrity sex trafficking, it was unbelievable names of A-listers and even now, the sex scandals making the news are nothing in comparison to what I know.*
Anyway, being the musician I am, the electronics engineer scientist and inventor I am and having the life story I do, *I couldn't give a crap about famous people as a whole.* The truth behind a lot of careers even for the most talented people is still so very often tied to what is ultimately just an industrialized sex cult that people literally sex crime their way into the cabal. *Hence, the Jimmy Page and Lori Maddox who referred to sex with him as "her glorious rape!" and bragged about it, and I've seen celebrities do this to girls that young firsthand.*
They turned my neighbor into a 15 year old prostitute and I'll still see her on occasion in our shitty little Ohio town named Madison and popping up with A-list famous men and women. I've assumed my brother in the industry has been involved in pimping her out specifically because she was in love with me.
Wow thanks for sharing all that.
I don't know where to start and as result, I'll just say thanks thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts on this channel. Cheers!
Queen is the one for me. Not that I don’t like them, but they became way bigger than they were in “ real time “. Certainly not as good as LED Zep or The Who in my book. Moody Blues is another… boring. But I do love Procol Harum
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and I agree with pretty much everything you say, with one notable exception 😎Cheers!
With the risk of people willing to kill me after this but I hate the band Muse.
That's something for me to muse over this evening…
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While I can't agree on the early stuff by The Who (basically the first two albums and the first few singles), I'm 80% with you there. I wish in a way you'd included The Beatles too, who I feel were the greatest Beat Group ever to come out of Liverpool but peaked circa 'A Hard Day's Night'.
Not sure I agree with you about the Beatles to be honest. When you think that they were the same age as the members of Genesis when they wrote and performed most of their great songs, the difference between the two bands is staggering. The members of the Beatles had a varied and more robust history than Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and their chums. I'm a big champion of the Beatles I'm afraid, though I do agree that their solo stuff after the band broke up is generally pretty lame. Cheers!
@@JimDriver It's Macca I have a problem with. With John's songs, he usually sounded passionate or vulnerable (depending on the song), but Paul nearly always comes across to me as "clever" and smug. That said, when I saw him live in 1990 it was one of the best concerts I've ever seen!
@JimDriver BTW, only Gabriel, Rutherford and Banks went to Charterhouse, Collins and Hackett joined later. Yes, I was a fan back in the day, love Seconds Out
I enjoy some early Who, but they turned into a ‘concept band’. I got convinced to go and to see them with friends in 2007 at The Rose Bowl, it was the most boring gig I’ve ever attended. They performed a song called Tea & Theatre, holding actual mugs of tea onstage. I felt mugged!
If you look closely, the who were probably wearing slippers 😀 thanks for commenting. Cheers!
@JimDriver 😹😹😹
I was surprised to see I agreed with you on every band. Not what I expected
Thanks! I always like it when someone agrees with me. 😝
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I used to like Zeppelin, but after I found out how they "stole" or "borrowed" music without giving proper credit turned me off. When they stole from Spirit and got away with it, in my opinion, that really upset me. It was taken without credit and I don't care what a court ruling says.
They were very naughty millionaires. Cheers!
Bro say what you want about the stolen lyrics (because yeah it’s pretty much just lyrics) but I’m sorry, you’re a goof if you think they stole stairway from spirit. You don’t steal a basic chord progression that’s been in written music since the beginning. It was such an obvious cash grab from the estate of randy California, he didn’t even do anything about it himself and probably would disagree with it.
Great video, Jim, as ever. I agree with some of what you say, and disagree with other bits. But I'd defend to the death your right... etc etc. At the end of the week, it's down to personal taste & horses for courses, as others have said.
Thanks that great comment. I totally agree with you and thanks for kind words! Cheers!
Jim, as usual, spot on ... and very much share the same opinion.I do like some of the music of the above bands and some of the individual musicians (Clapton isn't one of them lol ) ... but never got the theatrical prog thing either (Genesis flower pot? wtf?), neither the "original blatant ripp off" some of those bands performed.Some even argued that they really didn't "borrow" those riffs, it just came to them in a "sacred muse inspired vision" ... had once an argument with Mr Page regarding that subject, and his choice of "muse".🤔(Yep, never meet your idols in person, and definitely not near a well stocked bar lol 😄)
Great comment: thank you very much for sharing it with us! Thanks too for the the kind words. I'm sure plant, page, and the rest were hallucinating when they were banking, their royalty cheques …🥸
Nice to see that people who were dropped repeatedly at birth get to have UA-cam channels too.
And also, people who don't make videos can come on and criticise those who do. 😀
Thanks for taking part and I hope you subscribed, so I can push more of my "misguided" opinions your way. Cheers!
Not keen on Queen myself, but I get the most defensive responses from many people when I tell them that.
After watching the excellent support acts (inc. Supercharge & Steve Hillage) at their Hyde Park concert in 1976 I gave them a chance but realised halfway through their 1st song I wasn't going to enjoy it, so walked out - possibly the only time I've left an event early.
I saw Supercharge a couple of times in the mid-70s. They were brilliant. They supported Suzi Quatro at Manchester University in 1976 and went down a storm. As soon as they finished, nearly everyone left, and she played to a virtually empty room.
Queen pissed me off at Live Aid. Everyone else was explicitly playing for Africa, many of them clearly passionate about the cause. Queen were just playing a big gig on tv, for nobody but themselves. The ego had landed. My brother took me to a Queen gig and by far the best thing about it was Supercharge. They were great.
I think quite a lot depends on how you feel on the day. I've missed out on a few killer performances because I wasn't in the mood. Thanks for watching and sharing your views. Please keep watching and commenting! Cheers!
@@JimDriver I've never liked Queen Jim, since I first heard 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' on the radio - I thought they were pretentiousness & lacked soul.
Then, when they played Sun City - well!
I'm not a Queen fan, but again it has to be said, they were very good live. There are many artists whose skill I can appreciate, but their music does little for my viscera. Page was good with the Yardbirds, but the truth is I actually listen to Beck.
I was never into Led Zep or Genesis, some of my chums thought they was great,but they was just trying to be sophisticated , really they liked T rex and slade.
It's hard not to like T Rex or Slade, but I do admit they were both better in fairly small doses. Cheers!
Don’t think Ian Anderson ever ever sacked anyone from jethro Tull he always got management to do it or in later years by email .
Yes, that makes sense. He was certainly was one for the "correct protocol". I can remember listening to all this going on (and it took quite a long time) before I was eventually told to get down. Weird!
@@JimDriver must admit I like Tull think even johhny rotten liked aqualung,good showman Ian Anderson but lousy at telling blokes to get down off roofs lol
@@JimDriver Ever consider that perhaps Mr Anderson was not good in face to face confrontation?
Seeing this list makes me thank the stars even more for sending us the Ramones, the Undertones, the Buzzcocks and the Specials
Indeed! Although there were some great bands in the 1960s and 1970s, punk was a much-needed group that swept away a lot of old rubbish. Thanks for sharing those thoughts and please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
100%!
Great video , Jim!!! Well done ...so bored of people harping on about "Classic Rock"..big yawn...All the best 👍
Thanks! I do appreciate the kind words. Cheers!
Even Roger had to pinch his nose, when they played 'Boris The Spider'.
It's possibly the worst song I can think of, though there's probably a lot worse than that if I really put my mind to it. Cheers!
I used to work with Mo marriots' dad in Ashford railway shed, Chart Leacon, mild quiet guy, could have given it all up but preferred to write poetry in our dinner breaks and support a migrane charity, and kent County cricket club!
Thank you for sharing your story! I don't recall Steve ever mentioning his dad. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
I have all the early WHO, Cream, Yardbirds singles. Never rated Zep or Clapton. Who is the fifth one cause the airplane were not British. Loved Genesis till they morphed into Collins backing group. For me Dire Straits lived up to their name like ELP and Yes they were created to send you to sleep.
Well, you being a Psyche head, you gotta be half asleep to begin with 😂
Thanks for a great comment! Cheers!
As a musician, I'm definitely in the camp of not feeling like you have to make the live show match the recordings. Shows come and go, but recordings are forever. Might as well go all out. Also, other than a few songs, I was never a fan of Genesis, especially in the poppy, synth-driven stuff. Same for Jefferson Airplane/Starship. Jimmy Page is a massive thief who also co-wrote some good songs.
Thanks for that. I agree that the stage show should reflect the recorded work but I do like a bit of live performance flair in there as well. Faithfully recreating album tracks note for note doesn't work for me: it's what tribute bands do. I take your point about JP. Cheers!
Fantastic commentary. For what it’s worth, I see myself as a third kind of music fan. There’s a huge part of me that’s pretty much the collector type you mentioned, but I’m also passionate about the live experience (well, at least as long as it’s a small venue).
I’m pretty much with you on your picks except The Who, which I love.
As for Led Zeppelin, it still boggles my mind that they won the lawsuit brought by the band Spirit, and Willie Dixon should have gotten a lot richer than he did, they ripped him off so much.
Thanks for kind words and I agree with practically everything you say. Thanks for taking the time to share those thoughts and please keep watching. Cheers.
Agree with all those mate…. I felt at the time that I was hearing something different to everyone else when listening to people around me raving about these bands….
Good for you! Thanks for sharing that and please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
Totally agree with led zep... Marriott was way above,Minnie Havers n Jake Holmes were ripped off
Yes, there were lots of legal wrangles around Zepp's "songs" and because of their money and legal might, the band usually won. It's the way of the world, I'm afraid. Thanks for watching and for commenting. Cheers!
Jimmy Page quite liked Randy California's riffs and solos, as Mr Driver says they had the money and the legal might.
Have to agree on prog rock its so soulless and pretentious. I like some of Jethro tulls rockier songs like hymn 43 but prog rock just leaves me bored. Also never got into zeppelin and i hate stairway to heaven.
What DOES turn you on ? !
Thanks for that. I always like it when someone agrees with me.
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I hope you're gonna keep watching my videos. It will be pointless if you weren't. Cheers!
"He (Clapton) didn't give me the emotional support I need from a band." Do you really need emotional support from a band? They are entertainers, not family members or therapists.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Yes, I do need some kind of emotional tie-in with the music I'm listening to, otherwise what's the point?
@@JimDriver A tie-in and support are two different things. I agree that music can have a big effect on your emotions.
I never got into Genesis or Jefferson Airplane/Starship. I liked some Cream tracks, though Clapton was hugely overrated. I loved Led Zeppelin and saw them live twice. The Who were patchy. After Who's Next, they fell away, in my opinion, but I loved their 60s singles, Tommy, and Who's Next. I saw them at Charlton Athletic football ground in 1976, and they were fantastic.
There are no bands or musicians I truly hate. I reserve that emotion for the likes of Tony Blair, Keir Starmer, and Sadiq Khan.
We may agree on musical matters, but we definitely don't agree on politics! But it's always good to have different points of you and I hope you keep watching my videos. Cheers!
@JimDriver This is the first video of yours I've seen. I'll have to check out some of the others.
I don't like the Beatles. I used to like the doors but they've remastered the albums so many it sounds like garbage now. The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield and the Dead are tough listens for me.
I've been surprisingly enjoying the non surf beach boys, Roxy Music and Crazy Horse. I didn't like them growing up but appreciate it now with older ears. Also Steppenwolf and The Animals.
I really enjoy this channel and just subscribed!
Thank you very much for subscribing and for the kind words. Also thank you, for the great comment. I agree everything you say, we can't agree about the Beatles! Thanks again and please keep watching.
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Thanks for subscribing and for the kind words. Thanks too for a great comment and I agree with practically everything that you say, apart from the Beatles! Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
@@JimDriver No problem Jim. We don't all agree but it's good to be respectful and keep an open mind. Be well.
In my first year at university best mate was a Genesis fan. That was 1981 so they were getting a bit dated by then. They left me cold ( and bored). I was a council house kid and her family were certainly better off than mine and I've always wondered if they mostly appealed to 'posher' kids. She did kind of lose interest in them once she got into student ways. Moved on to Japan and Gary Numan at any rate. Is that progress? 😀
Ha ha! Some might call it progress. Never judge, that's my motto. Thanks for taking part and please keep watching. Cheers!
I agree with you about Led Zeppelin and Genesis. Genesis represent all that I dislike about prog rock which always seemed to be motivated by demonstrating cleverness rather than making an emotional connection with the listener. I have mixed feelings about The Who; I like their singles but not their albums, which seemed a lot of pretentious tosh. I disagree about Cream and Eric Clapton. I think he is one of the most expressively brilliant guitarists in rock history; check him out in The Concert for George Harrison, for example, and some of his playing with Cream and John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers. Jefferson Airplane were of their time.
Thank you very much for providing such a lucid and interesting comment. This channel has some wonderful people taking part. Cheers!
I hated genesis but i loved trick of the tail
hehum Truly Brilliant album, my girlfriend at the time was transfixed by this album and played it all the time
I never had the slightest interest in them; found them totally underwhelming, but I also quite liked the cuts from "Trick of the tail" that I heard on the radio. I also liked Peter Gabriel's early solo stuff. So when he quit them, I got two acts I liked a bit for one I didn't like at all.
@@pmoran7971You might like the eary Hackett solo stuff !
@@paulbrookes413 I love the Genesis revisited stuff, and still a big fan of early Genesis
I might have to give it another listen. Cheers!
Honesty, integrity with a justified Opinion ! A rare thing on the Internet, thanks Jim, luv it.
He's just made a fool of himself 😂
@@paulbrookes413 No he hasn't, he has identified two aspects of Music. Listening on your couch, or being there, participating.
Very kind of you to say so, thanks! Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
Sex you! I hope you have subscribed to my channel. I relish the idea of annoying you further… 😝
Jim, do you remember that NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS front page IS THIS MAN A PRATT, about FREDDIE MERCURY.
They were such cards at the NME! Not sure they got the right person though I would've put Brian May on the cover with a similar headline! Cheers!
I like Genesis a lot, already as a teenager in the 70s. My top-3 fav Genesis album: 1. Foxtrot 2. Lamb 3. Selling England. It's always surprising how different people's music tastes are. My country (Finland) is pretty equal so I don't understand your reasoning at all, that emphasis on class thinking. The parents are rich and the musicians went to private school, so what. It is completely irrelevant, the most important thing is music and imagination. And their art touches me, the son of quite poor parents.
My point was that I had very different reference points to the members of the band and. As I expect music to convey some meaning to me, I I had very little to gain from listening to Genesis.
And they were shit… 🤓
can't disagree Jim,but for me..Cream were good in spots, the Who lost me after Sell Out ..and might I add an RIP to Shel Talmy who produced the Who. Kinks and Creation in their formative years
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Genesis and their dreary songs of tales about ye olde englande is indeed twee
I totally agree! Thanks for taking the time to watch and to comment. Cheers!
Another really enjoyable video, even if you dig out one of my favourite bands - The Who. I'm so delighted that someone has finally said how awful Led Zeppelin are, that I'm going to let your dislike of The Who pass. Great videos, which always bring back a few memories for me. Looking forward to more.
Zep are overrated, but they are far from 'Awful' !
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Jim Amazed by your list,, I think your are pulling all our legs, these are the best bands in musical history apart from Jefferson Starship who were genuinely not very good, why is Yes and King Crimson not on your list?, these are also wonderful bands, however I agree about Clapton but only after Cream ended, because he became far too commercial,
These bands were far better than your favourite band, the Beatles because they were a studio band and had a genius called George Martin behind them, however I still like what you put out, take care
Thanks, I appreciate you checking it down to a comment. Even if we don't agree, I always like hearing other people's views. I wasn't pulling any legs, those bands genuinely make me angry and/disappointed. Cheers!
I'm with you on all these. I liked My Generation & I Can't Explain by The Who as a kid but everything else you mention I'm totally on board with. In fact I'd add Pink Floyd (post Syd) to the list too.
Yes, Pink Floyd very nearly made the list and would certainly be on a future video of the same subject. You're right about my generation and I can't explain: they're the only two who songs I don't actually hate. Cheers!
@@JimDriverBrilliant! Add Fleetwood Mac & Kate Bush & we've got a full house ;-)
My pet hate is Bob Dylan.
He can be very annoying, I agree. But certain songs have stayed with me over the years thanks for taking part. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
@@JimDriver I just can't get past that ugly voice nor his attitude.
Zimmerman is a fake Woody Guthrie wannabe who plagiarised Hank Snow among others.
Nah. Hes the greatest
@@painless465 I still hate him.
Genisis were before my time....only know their 80's pop/rock singles, some of which I quite liked. Same with Led Zep.....never understood the appeal of Robert Plant's wailing....though I've liked some of his less noisy stuff over the past few decades.
Thanks for the great comment. I like to think that Robert Plant might have rehabilitated himself: his work with Alison Krauss shows he might be on the straight and narrow finally. I seem to have cut the segment out of the video but I originally said that Genesis seemed to veer between pompous pomp rock and blithely cheerful pop rock. Both of which I find nauseating, to be honest. Cheers!
I like the naivety of Genesis early stuff. There's an honesty that comes across probably due to not much interference from the record label. I think they were a boutique band. Although they were Prog Rock, i tried listening to other Prog Rock bands and i'm not fascinated by them as i am with Genesis. The music alone is mindblowingly brilliant because they were serving their quirky songs. Even the stage act was honest. They were boring on stage so Peter Gabriel would take that as a challenge to keep people in their seats and combat his shyness. But i get that you either obsess over this band or they leave you cold. For me, the fact that they were in their early 20's making this music is staggering.
Thanks for sharing those memories of the early Genesis. Very interesting. Please keep watching and commenting! Cheers!
U2. Never understood how they are so popular. Apparently their music is not as bad as it sounds.
Each to their own, I always say. I never saw U2 play, though I once nearly put them on at the cricketers. It's a long story…
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Hi Jim, I think you and I are of a similar age. All the bands you have mentioned where the ones you had to like to be in with the crowd when we were young. I had records by most of them and considered myself cool as I wasn't listening to pop music or Motown chart music. My ears came alive with bands like Dr Feelgood, Grahame Parker and the Rumour, the Motors etc Followed by my head exploding in delight with punk.
I turned my back on what had been cool to like , despite many of my mates still raving about what a great replacement Phil Collins was for Peter Gabriel (?). Thanks to John Peel's shows around the same time I went off in my own trajectory and learnt to listen to stuff out of my comfort zone and even today I keep finding new bands to listen to.
I could add loads to your list but a sort of agree with your assumptions about all five bands, I still have a listen to early Genesis and certain Who songs.
Have a listen to Molly Tuttle and the Golden Highway's "bluegrass" version of White Rabbit, her brother Kyle puts his soul into the banjo solo at the end.
That is such a great comment. I'll certainly check out Molly and take everything you say on board. Cheers!
Great review Jim ,as, for me there was a few bands I just didn't get, Queen, Yes, Genesis, Roxy Music and that's just the 70's pretentious ****holes. Give me straight up classic rock everytime to get the feet tapping and the head banging.
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Pink Floyd and Supertramp are better than any crappy band you like.
I have and like "A trick of the tail" by Genesis, everything else no thanks. Phil Collins voice grates me on everything else. Eric Clapton is technically a very good guitarist, however his playing is soulless. Compared to Stevie Ray Vaughan, my favorite guitarist, he doesn't compare. No time for Led Zep, The Who, Rolling Stones, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, The Eagles, Iron Maiden, Yes and many more of this genre. Thank God punk arrived and saved me. Now 1976-1981 that was an amazing time, music wise.
I quite agree, punk was like a breath of fresh air back in 1976/1977. I'm thinking we need something like punk today. Cheers!
Of course the Airplane wasn't British but anything by the Airplane/Starship that didn't include Marty Balin was down right terrible.
I think you might have put your finger on the Jefferson dilemma. Thanks and please keep watching! Cheers!
Cream were too early for me. I never got the Eric Clapton thing
A technician rather than a musician or someone once told me. I hope you're a subscriber: we need people like you! Cheers!
Led Zeppelin started well... for me Stairway to Heaven was a complete sell out. No wonder it was covered by Rolf Harris..
Yes, indeed. At one time, every fledgling rock band tried to do Stairway to Heaven as their encore. Most of them included it on their demo cassettes, which made it easier to weed them out! Cheers!
Agree. The first three Zeppelin albums were awesome. Then like so many bands they kind of lost their way.
Zeppelin were awesome.
I quite like Cream - very important band with some great tunes, but a bit overrated for me. I love Led Zep, but you have to say that your concerns about them are fair enough. I entirely agree with you about Genesis, The Who & Jefferson Whatever though!
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts (especially when you agree with me!). I must admit, my views have changed quite a lot and so I have made conflicting videos in the past. Cheers!
Star Trek Genesis was not good ao I agree.
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I was thinking before I watched the video "I don't actually hate any band". Then you mentioned Led Zepplin...
We al like different things and there's nothing wrong in that. The only song by Jefferson Airplane that I can remember is White Rabbit which to this day I think is excellent.
Part of the reason for me making these videos is to stir it up and provoke thought. But mainly it's entertainment. Thanks for taking part and please keep watching. Cheers!
Jefferson Airplane were from San Francisco California, which I did not realise until now is part of Britain!
When did he say they were Brits?
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Yes, how true. P{roof that you should never go by the title of a video. Thanks for taking part and please keep watching!
It's in the title, I'm afraid! Well, they were playing in London at the time. Cheers!
Always has been
Agree with every word, Jim, the only slight soft spot is for early Jefferson Airplane. They were a bit like The Monkees for heds, but Grace Slick was an interesting singer. I have catholic tastes with a few blind spots, basically I strongly dislike metal apart from the excellent Motorhead. Can't stand any band with make up except for Aladdin Sane period Bowie, and positively hate prog, no exceptions.
Ha ha, I agree with most of what you say! In retrospect, I'm not being a bit harsh on Jefferson starship/aeroplane, I can remember that when I put them on it was usually a week of trauma and things going wrong!
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The problem, in my opinion, is the legacy of lunkheaded lyrics. No matter how good the song, there was always a dumb line in there. REO Speedwagon falls into this same camp.
I totally get what you mean! Sometimes a catchy tune can be overshadowed by a line that doesn't sit right. Cheers!
Agree with you on Genesis. I never got it with either era of the band
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Nice one Jim. pop stars are unjustly deified nowadays.
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Yes sir! Taylor Swift might be worth a listen if she had 10% of the creativity and skill shown by... I don't know... Osibisa?
In the mid 60s we lived around the corner from the Uppercut club in Forest Gate. I still remember walking past the street it was in late at night with my dad and hearing this really loud live music. It may have been The Who?
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If you don't like twee Prog-rock I'm actually suprised that you didn't mention Yes or Moody Blues (?) instead of Cream & the Who who actually created rock history. Jethro Tull was pushed into Prog-rock category after overblown Thick As a Brick, but original line-up music was completely something different. Anyway, I like your against-the-grain ethos, maybe you should argument it a bit better.
I sent it to do more on this subject ! Thanks for taking the time to comment and please keep watching. Cheers!
I wasn't expecting to agree with you quite so strongly Jim! For much the same reasons too - these bands didn't speak to my experience or emotions and generally a bit over-hyped. The exception is Airplane - the early stuff is incredible, but I completely agree with you about Starship, something really unpleasant happened to them and it wasn't just the drugs. Jethro Tull were one of the best live acts of the 70s, bar none, so for me the acceptable side of prog ... and fish farming 🤣
At last: we've found the acceptable face of fish farming! Thanks for the great comment and for the kind words. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
Basically, i agree 100% with your opinion. Some may not, but we live in a free europe. This not merica, the cancel culture land of the emprisoned
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Genesis were so pretentious. I also never got Led Zeppelin.
Quite agree. Thanks for sharing that!
Two of the best bands ever! Thanks for bringing them here in just one sentence.
Genesis yes• led zeppelin nooooo
To quote Genesis, if you think that it's pretentious you've been taken for a ride.
Gabriel Genesis were great. Even Trick of the Tail is great. I can see the problems with LZ, but I still love em
Grace Slick wasn´t a great singer???? Man, that´s wild
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Here’s an irony. The only Genesis album I have any time for is the live one, “Seconds Out” !
I do like Genesis, but I prefer their story to their actual music {except that album}.
I do want to comment on one thing you said though, which was that one of your objections to Genesis was that they were singing songs but had no life experience. That is true of virtually every artist under the age of 29. What experience did the Sex Pistols have ? Or Bob Dylan ? Or the Beatles ? Or Stevie Wonder ? Or Ray Charles ?
Well, it’s nuanced, because it depends on what one means by life experience. I’d argue that the 4 members of Genesis that were carted off to public school had a life experience by their early 20s every bit as interesting and valid as John Lennon, or John Lydon or Steve Jones or Aretha Franklin who got pregnant at 12 and had 2 kids by the time she was 15.
But you know, a few years back, I was listening to Mahogany Rushes two albums, “Child of the Novelty” and “Strange Universe,” and when I realized that the writer of all the songs, Frank Marino, was 20 and 21 at the time the albums were recorded {and he produced them too}, it got me thinking about how mature his songs were which then got me thinking about people like Mick Jagger and Pete Townshend and George Harrison back in the mid-’60s and some of the great lyrics they wrote in songs like “Get off of my cloud,” “My generation” and “Think For Yourself” when they were 20-22. Many, many songwriters wrote great lyrics while very young and had little life experience. But whatever life experience one has had, one can only write out of what one knows or imagines.
By the way, the lyrics of Genesis’ “Supper’s Ready” did come out of a weird experience that Peter Gabriel purportedly had.
Cream are an interesting outfit. They were at the vanguard of psychedelic rock, jazz-rock, heavy metal rock and progressive rock and stand unique, along with the Hendrix Experience, in rock. Cream’s pioneering dabbling in all of those forms of music was largely accidental though, as they didn’t really know what they were doing {or more accurately, hadn’t decided in which direction they were going} and made it up as they went along. So it’s not surprising that it is felt that they were rather soulless in their songs. But to be honest with you, I couldn’t tell if someone was playing with emotion and soul or going through the motions, not in the multitracking age. At the end of the day, a recording is a recording. None of us knows whether or not the musicians and singers were vesting their being in that specific performance that got released…..or whether they knew the piece well and were thinking about the ironing.
As for Clapton and his 70s racism storm, all I can say is that Eric Clapton was a messed up individual from the day he was born. Thinking your Grandma is your Mum and your Mum is your big sister and thinking your step-Grandad is your Dad, then one day discovering the truth.....doesn’t lend itself well to stability and balance, especially when it dawns on you that the people you love have been lying to you all of your life. Being blitzed by LSD then heroin and chasing down a Beatle’s wife when you don’t really want her once you have her {Eric more or less admits this} tells one a lot about Eric. George’s song “Savoy Truffle” on the White Album is somewhat prophetic - it’s a tale of someone who is addicted to chocolates but George went on to say it was about Eric. The protagonist in the song is messed up if one listens closely enough. In a way, his racist voicings in the 70s, after a life of being inspired by Black bluesmen and having a hit with a Bob Marley song is very much Eric Clapton - a man who barely knows his left foot from his right knee. He had shown those tendencies in his 1968 interview with Rolling Stone where he shows an interesting side to himself, giving vent to his thoughts about the White English public and how they had fallen for the myth of the Black man and his huge phallus. A man of strange jealousies and given to rants that he hadn’t thought through. A spell as an alcoholic was pretty inevitable after all of this.
Bloody hell, Eric !
I’ve dug Led Zeppelin for 45 years now. I first came across them and collected all their albums when I lived in Nigeria, of all places. They’re infamous for their musical thievery, but it’s more than a stretch to say “they stole everything.” They did nick a lot though. While some of it is negligible, what they did to Jake Holmes is inexcusable - even though their “Dazed and Confused” is pretty matchless. By the time of their 4th LP, they were trying to do the right thing, credits-wise, part-crediting Memphis Minnie for "When The Levee Breaks" and Richie Valens' Mum for "Boogie With Stu." I still chuckle at the fact that the other writer of the song they ripped off for "Boogie," Bob Keane, still sued them for ripping off the song "Ooh My Head." It's an even worse steal than the Jake Holmes one !
Of their original run of albums, the only songs of theirs I dislike are “I can’t quit you babe,” “D’yer mak’er,” “Candy Store rock” and “I’m Gonna Crawl.” I also heartily dislike the live album, “The Song Remains The Same.” Live, I always found their sound weedy, unlike Deep Purple or Status Quo. But I think their studio stuff was madly creative.
By the way, I spent part of my honeymoon in Tenby, back in ‘97. Great region.
The Who are a strange band in my pantheon. I tried so hard to like them in that mid-to-late 70s run when I found a liking for the Beatles, the Stones, Jimi, Zeppelin, Purple, Sabbath, Floyd, Creedence, Poco, Melanie and others. But apart from “My generation,” I just couldn’t get into them. Then fast forward to 1996 and I found that I really liked most of “Tommy” and their 60s singles when I gave them a chance. I think it was “Listening To You” from the “Woodstock” movie that really did it. Since then, I’ve been well into the Who of that period. I too have no time for “Quadrophenia” and I have long had issues with Roger Daltrey. I have never rated him as a singer. I mean, he can sing, obviously, but unlike, say, Ozzy Osbourne, who, when singing Geezer Butler’s lyrics, so infused his personality into the songs that he Ozzified them and made it seem like they were his lyrics, whenever I hear Roger Daltrey singing, I still think of Pete Townshend.
And I adore “Boris the Spider.” The story behind it is nearly as good as the song.
I like the video, by the way. I don’t have to agree with something in a video in order to enjoy it and I don’t have to argue with the person I may disagree with, either. In fact, disagreement, or let’s say, a difference of opinion, often makes for better conversations.
As for Jefferson Airplane and the Starship, well, the Airplane have long been an integral part of rock history for me. Grace Slick’s autobiography is almost a must-read. But I could never get into their actual music. And as for Jefferson Starship, they actually put together a really good song and performance on the infamous 1978 Star Wars Holiday special, a show so bad that it’s never been shown again since, and one that Star Wars creator, George Lucas, has said if he could, he would obliterate every surviving copy. There are bootlegs that are floating around the internet and it is truly horrendously awful. I’ve been forced to watch it twice. There’s nothing to commend it. But Jefferson Starship’s song is the only moment in the show where I am not simultaneously consumed by diarrhoea and nausea.
BINGO! on all these groups. EXACTLY right on every single group for all the right reasons.
I'm 64 and saw all these groups whose music didn't really right true.
Thanks for joining in the conversation.
Of course, agreeing with me it's always welcome 🤓
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@JimDriver Genesis fans were into reading Tolkien and further maths. Pretended to be clever enough to understand the lyrics.
Peter Gabriel was too far out there for my taste. Didn’t mind Genesis when Phil Collins took over.
I must be honest, Phil Collins and his brand of middle-aged Rock-Pop filled me with dismay. But, if we were all the same, wouldn't life be boring?
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Enjoyed that Jim, think I'll give the rest of the comments section a swerve for now though! Keep 'em coming!
Thanks and thank you very much for saying so! Yes, the comment section on this one has been quite difficult. You should see the ones I've had to delete, not because they are critical (I don't mind that) but because they're totally offensive, I'm not just to me!! Thanks again. Cheers!
Chubby Chris Henderson the lead singer of Combat 84 went to Charterhouse too!
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Genesis agree, I like Gabriel's solo stuff. Disraeli Gears and Pete Brown's lyrics are still epic but Eric God is boring, agree. Zep agree Dr Sardonicus was better on my mates Russian stereo. The late Who, boring but really got into Quadrophenia, I had a Lambretta. Starship was far worse than awful Airplane.
I think my mono record player was Russian. It didn't look anything like the picture, as it has a single external speaker. Quite agree about Dr. Sardonicus: spirit sound as fresh today as they did back then. Please keep watching and commenting. Cheers!
You explain yourself very well, and I agree with much of it! Some artists I go back and forth with as I struggle to get into but keep trying, like Genesis. I don't hate 'em, but could never truly connect with their albums, as with Jethro Tull. I've always hated everything about Clapton, and love how Hendrix offered to let Clapton tune his guitar for him at that famous show in London in '67, basically the equivalent of telling the rock cognoscenti to shine his shoes, and his little Jimi while they're at it. I have mixed feelings about Zep, as I do like the albums no matter how badly they plagiarized, stole, and were generally horrible humans. The Who were a great singles band, but Townshend's ego refused to accept that he wasn't a genius who could write meaningful stories. He could not, but his nonsensical narratives were still good enough for rock fans.
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Yes and Emerson lake and palmer for me and by the way the who live where amazing !
Emerson was undeniably a genius !
Two great calls there, and I have a feeling at least one of them will make a future video. Cheers!
Don't necessarily agree with your choices but that's just me. I would add the grateful dead to your list though!
Yes, the Grateful Dead get more praise than I think they deserve. Maybe they'll make a future list because I think I'm definitely going to have to do more of these. Cheers!
I really don’t care for the dude you featured. He is obviously reading from a script and he comes across as a phony.
You're very harsh. I don't judge people so much, even if they do like prog-rock 😄
People keep telling me I should work from a script: I tried it and it looked terrible. Cheers!
He's quite good, that guy. Entertaining channel
I don't hate anyone or anything. However, and with a view to this, groups I don't particularly like are Yes, ELP, Supertramp, Level 42, Radiohead ( and its various offshoots ) Genesis, Queen, and many others. Incidentally, the chap on Classic Rock is not even fifty years old! Now I know no one can help the way they look ( I'm no oil painting ) but he must have had a hard life! There's a lot of more mature presenters here on UA-cam that are bringing back unfortunate memories, at least to me, of Bob Harris, Ellen & Hepworth and Tommy Vance. I won't mention their names, but they're so boring I can't even get through one of their posts. It seems as if they've stayed the same since they Were a tedious and very earnest teenager. Talk about terminal boredom!
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Great vid as usual. I reckon some who lyrics are worse than genesis
Floyds posh rock are not for me either.
Yes, I totally concur. Thanks for the kind words and for taking the time to express them. Cheers!
I totally agree with all the bands and I must add The Doors
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Really disappointed no Grateful Dead hate but maybe they are not legends.
Plenty of room for the Grateful Dead on another video.
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Great video! I really enjoyed it, i don't like those bands either, aside from The Who!
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Claptons playing was awesome in Cream. But that was the last time he was awesome
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Prog was sooo tedious. Totally agree about the live gig v listening. Liked Cream - my first ever album purchase was Full Cream
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Genesis, the middle class boys bands when I entered a boys comp in 79 into punk/reggae. Hated them. I’ve much later got into some prog influenced stuff but Genesis, nada. But then I expect Genesis fans didn’t get early Scritti Politti.
I think I'm old because I always enjoy a wide range of music, though I never get involved in any cult, such as becoming a mod or a skinhead. Thanks for taking part and please keep doing so. Cheers!
I’m totally with you on Genesis, too much of an effort required to listen to them. Some silly song titles that the songs don’t match up to, unlike with Steve Hillage/Gong, where what you see on the sleeve is as daft as what you hear when you put the record on. The Who were great up till “Quadrophenia” which would have been a decent record had it just been a single album but after 1974 they went downhill no argument from me on that one. Cream would have sounded a lot better than they did had they appeared about 3 or 4 years later by which point recording technology had seriously improved. First Cream LP was recorded on a 2-track machine and I don’t think they ever got beyond 8-track (if that) by the time they split in 1968. I was just listening to a Cream live album before stopping to watch your video - it’s fine but the BEST recording I’ve heard of them is on a 2LP set called “Live In San Diego 1968” which is from the mixing desk and way clearer than anything on their studio albums. Clapton went seriously off the boil after Cream. Incidentally, in contrast to Clapton, Ginger Baker was big mates with Fela Kuti and was pretty much an honorary black man. Amongst other things he built a studio in Nigeria which was closed down by Decca Records via legal action pretty much instantly although I think Paul McCartney managed to record a couple of tracks there (for “Band On The Run”) before this happened. He also gave full credit to the drumming from west Africa as having inspired his playing. Jefferson Airplane are patchy but I am ok with some of it and can’t hate them. Zeppelin are special, though. “Whole Lotta Love” was ripped off from “You Need Love” by Willie Dixon, who, while he didn’t get a credit for that one until 1994 I think, does get credited for at least two tracks on Zeppelin’s first album. Small Faces just covered it first, that’s all. Incidentally, Steve Marriott was the first choice as the singer for the original lineup of “Le(a)d Zeppelin” but this idea was dropped after threats from Don Arden. Lineup would have been: Jimmy Page & Jeff Beck-guitars, John Entwistle-bass, Keith Moon-drums and possibly Nicky Hopkins-piano. The above lineup with John Paul Jones replacing Entwistle recorded “Beck’s Bolero” which fetched up on Jeff Beck’s “Truth” LP, for which none of them were properly credited if at all on the sleeve. Zeppelin stole a LOT of stuff like you say but they did it very well. Even their least popular album, “In Through The Out Door”, would be a 5-star album had any other band released it. Some people expect them to sound just like the record live which they didn’t and don’t get the live stuff when they hear it but plenty of people do, they are the most bootlegged band ever, and most of these bootlegs are live. Whatever you may think of them, they are (for me, anyway) the best rock & roll band ever. Accept no substitute.
Thanks for your fantastic comment! I agree we practically everything that you say. I did have a couple of stories about Ginger Baker and Jack Brace but I cut them out in the edit as they weren't particularly enlightening or even entertaining. Please keep watching and commenting and I look forward to reading, your next comment.
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LedZepp were entirely derivative + image. Genesis severely overrated.
I agree with this list now Clapton I learn he's only good with hit songs. I made the mistake of being his album when I was kid and hearing a guy actually was a racist singing Hand Jive was a put off for me. Now Zeppelin I love House's of the Holy. The who great hit songs. But my brother had 1 album it was ok. Genesis I can't stand them I've never a deep dive. I only Gabriel Shock the monkey. I would add Fleetwood Mac to that list I made the mistake when I was 11 and I bought Tusk thinking it would a Heavy Metal album. I MEAN the idea of Tusk sounds Primal boy was I disappointed.
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Another great vid Jim , I saw the Who about a dozen times at the Marquee in a small venue they were great , but once they moved to bigger venues not the same.
Yes, I can see that. I never saw the who anywhere other than a big venue. Thanks for the kind words. Cheers!
Having trouble with all music critics who present a very liberal facade when it comes to their likes and dislikes but claim on their thumbnail that their passion runs to"HATE! ". NOBODY CARES!
At least you get enough to share your thoughts on this channel. Thanks!
Agree wholeheartedly Stairway to Heaven is a song that I have to physically retune my radio or turn off if it comes on, it just winds me up something chronic.
The problem is most of them end up believing their own hype, being told they are the best thing since sliced bread they end up believing it.
Plus they all got into the “concept” album as if the message they were giving was supposed to mean anything to a working class guy who just wants to dance and get drunk and get lucky….
Pretentiousness at its best is Rock….or prog rock if you want to call it that
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@@davidmitchell7181 Don't insult the working class !
I'm surprised to say I wouldn't disagree with any of those.
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When it comes down to it, it's all about personal preferences and tastes. I can't stand much pub rock, but not because I don't like live music but because I appreciate good music. I couldn't care less about the lyrics as long as the music is good. I don't care if the musicians are from the housing estate round the corner or went to school at Eton. It's all about personal tastes... 😜
Indeed, it is! I suppose some is about who is holding the camera at the time but as anybody at all could make a UA-cam video, I look forward to watching lots of conflicting stories!😎😀
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Hey Jim. Personally I like the videos on what you know and experienced.. not what you hate
Ha ha! Yes, thanks for the input though to be fair, I do try and be positive even when I'm being negative. But I do take your point.
Thanks!
I was sure that Pink Floyd would have been on the list at some point. Good list, great video, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the kind words. See the previous post for my reaction to Pink Floyd. I don't hate them, but for me, the jury is out. Thanks again! Cheers!
Some fair enough points, but you are 'hating' some of the most popular rock bands of modern times. Gotta make you wonder.
I am a child the 60s and I don't really hate anybody. But I've got to make videos about something and people seem to like it when I go "controversial". Just wait till you see what my next video's about!
I was agreeing with you until you got to Jefferson Airplane. It seems to me that the band you didn't like was Jefferson Starship. As you point out, this was often only one member of the former band.
After Bathing at Baxters is one of my all time favourite albums.
Different strokes for different folks, but I see what you mean. Nevertheless, quite have lots of what the old Jefferson Airplane did was pretty gruesome at times! Thanks for checking and please keep doing so. Cheers!