At age 17, R Lee Ermey was arrested for criminal mischief. He was given two options: One, go to jail, or two, enter the service. You all know he chose to enter the US Marines during the Vietnam War. Edit: Wow I wasn't expecting to have 1.5k likes. Thanks guys.
I'm originally from the same town as him, and was lucky enough to meet him while I was doing security at a Veteran's Day event. I was astounded by how friendly and personable he was, but slightly disappointed he didn't scream at me lol
The Marines made him a man, and the man made the Marines famous. He's the face/icon of the Drill Instructor and the Gunnery Sgt when someone thinks of those.
I worked with a guy who was sentenced for robbery(3 year term),assault(2 years) and murder(10 years).So apparently he fought in the soviet -afghan war, First nagorno-karabah war,yugoslavia,first Chechen war and Russo-Georgian conflict.He was jailed in 2009 for murder and paroled and based on he's past combat experience send to fight inDobass (2014).Every time I questioned some the wild stories he was telling, he'd show me some old photo. The dude in question was 52 years at the time , he was covered in scars and tattoos and was still jacked as a mutafaka. At the start of the Russian invasion this year apparently he was wounded so he called me and joked that the doctors told him that his Rambo days are over. BTW dude in question is ukrainian.
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 I'm writing down what I was told!Idk how stuff work in Ukrain,but in Bulgaria my grandfather stabbed a guy 16 times and severed his head off ,and he didn't serve a day in jail . Money and clinical insanity work wonders some times. Edit:The one that got killed was shot dead because he was trying to force his killer's daughter into prostitution..
@@FROST76608 Hmmm, in my home country (Canada), the sentence for murder is life, which means twenty five years with a chance for parole after twenty five.
convicts can be effective in combat especially if they have combat experience. I once watched this documentary about this convicted group of commandos who in 1972 promptly escaped from a maximum security military stockade to the Los Angeles area. they survived being on the run by working as soldiers of fortune; if you needed help and could find them, you could have hired them.
One major down factor of using them, especially shown in WW2 with Nazis... They committed so many crimes and atrocities that only solidified the will of the opposing side to fight. If the enemy knows they will be butchered if they surrender, that will only motivate them to fight even harder, to the bitter end. And if the tide of war turns (as was the case with Nazis), the other side after seeing the atrocities, will want a payback and commit them themselves. So, once again, a lot of innocent civilians will pay a horrible price for something they haven't done...
oh really the nazis those bielorussians and others civilians would also be under show trials and executed if they didnt submit to the rules and ordes of the soviet partisans who would acuse anyone they wished of being in league with the germans; they also killed a lot of their own civilians
USSR conscript soldiers surrendered in large numbers, many even fought for the Germans against the USSR, who commited far worse crimes against them. Ukrainians/ Lithuanians/ Kazaks/ White Russians etc
It's worth noting yhat the US did this with petty criminals, not serious criminals, while the Einsatzgruppen were specifically chosen from murders, rapists, and psychopaths. The US mainly did this as an option to avoid prison rather than forced into it. The USSR penal battalions were mostly people convicted of cowardice or were chosen arbitrarily and those battalions were treated as disposable, the men knew it and so did the commanders so joining the enemy was usually a more pleasant choice during the early stages of WW2 and only later once the evils of the concentration camps became widely known did Soviet penal battalions stop surrendering en mass at the first opportunity.
And it turns out a lot of the time they're more of a liability on the battlefield than an asset. If you have problems with authority, cooperating with others and being a thief, you probably wont make a good soldier and the other soldiers will probably hate you.
@K Smith agreed some just needed guidance for good. Others well the others are the ones that commit war crimes or participate in it(see Russian convicts in Ukraine or Berlin.)
I remember watching a US documentary about a group of convicts being recruited in WWII for a particularly dangerous mission. If I recall there were about 12 of them and they weren't the cleanest of chaps.
@@agent45625 did actually happen a fair amount. Sometimes they ended up in special forces since they were more independently minded and more used to hard living than your average conscript.
My father told me about the ethos of Korean marines. That they were 80 percent prisoners and orphans and had nothing to go back home for and started to basically love the open world of combat to alleviate uncommon aggression
@@joshlyon1315 I Agree this Bosow brain isn’t from Australia and no the entire Australia armed forces are not prison inmates or criminals he is just a horrible person talking about another country he knows nothing about people like him make me sick
The Dirlewanger Brigade was so disgusting even the SS regarded them as evil. In 1945, Oskar Dirlewanger was captured while trying to escape disguised as a civilian. He was recognized and turned in by a concentration camp survivor. He was imprisoned at the Altshausen prison camp and beaten to death by the guards. A story with a happy ending.
"Over time, Joe and I got to be best friends. And since we were both poor, and there wasn't much work around, we started a little business of our own..." "Well that one time it didn't work so good. The year was 1943. America was at war and the Army was lookin' for guys who spoke the language to help with the invasion of Sicily." "I was eighteen, and anything seemed better than jail. Who says you can't go home again?"
Afaik Germans had entire penal divisions at some point. They were few, but definitely had times when almost entirety of their manpower was just wiped. Oh and the SS battalion mentioned in video turned out to be terrible against real military, for they had zero real tactics and instead just ran/walked at their enemy and hip fired their guns. What also didn't help them was the fact they had no armored vehicles as a support.
They drafted former servicemen with combat experience who were imprisoned for crimes, Wagner takes in regular convicts and on a large scale, in thousands.
The moment I saw this video pop up in my recommendations I just knew you had to talk about the Dirlewanger brigade. You should’ve talked more about their crimes though but I understand why you wouldn’t. Many of their crimes are far too graphic to be put on any UA-cam video and would’ve made this video age restricted.
My great uncle was an U.S. Air Corps navigator on bombing runs and a POW twice between WW2 and Korea. After surviving that he became an Officer, he was emplaced with Russian immigrants, learned Russian, and then worked at Norad before it was public. When he was about to retire they wouldn’t promote him to Lt. Col. Not sure if it was with the changing of times or someone didn’t like him, but they wouldn’t promote him because he had a violent crime on his record. He joined Army the age of 17 because of this reason, go to prison or join the service. He survived two wars, learned a new language, became an officer and got to work at a top secret base for the times, all because he beat someone up. They promoted him to Lt. Col. only after he passed away of old age, so at least Uncle Sam did that.
What this describes sounds quite a lot like the premise of The Dirty Dozen movies that had Lee Marvin and Telly Savalas in them. The only major differences regarding the premise of the film, is that some of the war criminals selected were also considered to either be dangerously mentally ill or extremely violent as well as having been sentenced to death or long term imprisonment. And additionally instead of just being put on the frontline alongside other infantry units, they were assigned on high risk or suicide missions that the military wouldn't be willing to risk expending their main infantry units for. The criminals in the Dirty Dozen were assigned the job and retrained for it instead because of the fact that it wouldn't be a huge loss to the high brass if they failed, and in exchange for accepting the mission, it also puts the possibility of remission of what they were initially sentenced to in exchange for fulfilling their end of the agreement.
I studied the use of prisoners by Germany and Russia during WW2 and then later in guerilla wars in Africa. Some of these guys were hard core belligerent violent and had a loose moral code. This idea was floated to the US during Vietnam too. Soldiers with skills in burglary, forgery, racing, torture, and various other 'skills' were used to train US special forces and Navy Seals. Particularly by Richard Marcinko in the 80's when Team Six was first formed.
In fact, in the United States, prisoners were used during the war between the north and the south. So it is their experience that Germany and the USSR applied at home.
My Grandfather was arrested, along with his cousin, for shoplifting when he was 16 or 17. The judge gave them two options, the Army or jail. They chose the Army. Grandpa was sent to Guam in 1945. He and his buddies captured two Japanese holdouts. After his discharge, Grandpa went back home around 1947, but ran into trouble again. Left with no other recourse he rejoined the Army and made it a career, up to 26 years of service. World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. About half of that service was sober. We think.
I love that you guys showed the Russian prisoner using the homemade crossbow from the prison weapons episode. Your attention to detail is amazing and that was a great Easter egg!
I know it's not quite the same thing as a "penal battalion," but I know that in the old days, at least through they Vietnam era, young men convicted of minor crimes were given the option of military service as an alternative to imprisonment. I heard that's how Jimi Hendrix ended up in the 101st Airborne Division. He got caught, like, stealing a car or something, and the judge said he could either go to jail or go to the army. That's not a hard choice...
My uncle was given the option of jail or the military (he shot up a Burger King he worked at after closing hours). He ended up making a career of it, and we think he did some spooky stuff after he retired in the early 2000's, but we don't know for certain. He recently retired from being a contractor for the Navy. My theory is that some people just need structure, and they'll go crazy without it. The military (or prison I suppose) can provide that.
He shot up a burger King and they let him join the military?I got a felony for drug possession(1 xanax) and they still wouldn't let me join instead of doing time
@@Mister.45 I’m sure if we were at full blown war like a Vietnam scenario that they would let you join the military. We’re not at full blown war right now.
I like it how this channel keeps going with the news flow. It's really amazing to watch the historical channel make videos about historical events in action. There is really no need to wait for facts, and let historical events fully finish and project the results on the world, when you can make something that grabs the attention, no matter the objectivity. Cool videos, keep on.👍👍👍
"The day's work are done my candlesticks, silverware, fancy glasses and kitchen knives have been left out on the table in plain view and the doors have been left unlocked. Time to go to bed."
"Ah, excellent. A fabulous display from which to steal. I shall individually place each of these things into my satchel in the most delicate manner possible."
@@ImperatorZor I mean, the smart move would be not to burglarize an occupied building (especially a home, since that's a higher-level felony). The smartest move, of course, would be just not being a burglar lol
Your pumping videos out fast and its actually shows you just how much history there is to learn that's why I love this channel I've been watching for years
when I was younger, i couldn't understand how can tens of thousands of people get killed without deffending themselves.. as I grow older, I learn about the world and I now know that the way to make that happen is ===> compliance ... DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES COMPLY TO ANYTHING THAT IS INHUMANE!! EVER!!!!
8:44 and in footage Prigozhin himself said "if you kill, rob or rape civilians, you will be shot. Deserters will be shot too" and yes, there were news of deserters in Wagner PMC, who got shot.
9:20 that feels like a bullshit, tho. They didn't even send all 300k mobilized reservists into Ukraine yet (they're still in training centers and some will only go to Ukraine in 2023), so why would regular army go and do whole penal battalion thing? Prigozhin himself is just getting more manpower for his small army (like Kadyrov has his own guard regiment, tiktoker company and etc. btw there's no more tiktoks of those, I wonder where they went...)
One thing this video forgot to mention: Ukrain first tapped into their prison population using a lot of prisoners at the front lines, however they where used in siege warfare, meaning a lot of them are pretty likely to be dead, used as cannon foder for Russian artillery. Some fought with international volunteers, a lot of them finding death together.
Урок истории для наших "Натовских партнёров". Во первых, приказ 277 являлся приказом устанавливающим десциплинарную ответственность для военнослужащих и граждан, что оставили оборудование, оружие, продовольствие и т.п. врагу. Приказ же, получивший название "Ни шагу назад!" имел номер 227 и устанавливал десциплинарную ответственность для военнослужащих за САМОВОЛЬНОЕ ОСТАВЛЕНИЕ СВОИХ ПОЗИЦИЙ И ТРУСОСТЬ. В действительности, НЕ БЫЛО НИКАКИХ ЗАГРАДИТЕЛЬНЫХ ОТРЯДОВ ЧТО РАССТРЕЛИВАЛИ ВСЕХ ТРУСОВ И ДЕЗЕРТИРОВ! Заградительные отряды НКВД, как правило, возвращали в бой или на пересыльнные пункты около 80% всех испугавшихся солдат. Расстреливали агитаторов и провокаторов и из всей массы это ~5-10%. Штрафные батальоны, во времена Великой Отечественной войны, как правило, использовались как штурмовые батальоны при штурме оборонительных линий немецких фашистов. Сейчас же, на войне с фашистским режимом Украины, "штрафники" имеют ту же роль штурмовиков и как правило действуют ни как отдельная боевая единица, а как единица интыгрирующаяся с танковыми и артилерискими подразделениями. Разговоры о массовой сдаче в плен российских штрафников-миф, не имеющий весомых доказательств.(факт того, что бывают случаи сдачи отдельных бойцов, я не отрицаю). Подучите историю, товарищи с запада.
I technically disagree, @@christiandauz3742: < ua-cam.com/video/VSGmPpidDvo/v-deo.html > & < trying to find a UNN broadcast about this in _Wings of Liberty_ >…
Ah, so if you’re going by the different kinds of infantry, such as marines vs ghosts, I would agree with you, @@christiandauz3742. However, don’t assume that the numbers of individual units on the battlefields are exactly the same & such…
In Yugoslav wars in 1990's, criminals (some of them even worked for secret services before wars, operating in west europe) were not only drafted, but probably encouraged to lead so called "volunteer corps", that were in fact vultures whom came and just loot and killed. Since they were covertly state sponsored, they were often portraited as heros.
In 1968, South Korean intelligence established the assassination squad UNIT 684 in which the recruits were the petty, lowly street criminals as well as ordinary people where they were lured and tricked with money. UNIT 684 was a response for failed North Korean assassination attempt on President Park Chung Hee. UNIT 684 was shrouded in secrecy in South Korea for many years due to controversial nature of the recruitments sources and inhumane commando training that would make nowadays' special forces training look like a kindergarten. UNIT 684 recruits were pushed to the limit until they launched rogue uprising in 1971 by killing their trainers and hijacking the public bus on their way to Seoul, but they were stopped by the ROK Army. Realizing no way out, the recruits committed mass suicide with hand grenades.
it silmido movie right? i watch it on tv as a kid but i dont understand too much about the movie, but as i grew up its darker than how i imagined it back then
@@donny8593 yes, that movie is SILMIDO. I've watched them on YT. The movie portrayed 31 recruits as death-sentence convicts that got secretly smuggled into uninhabited Silmido island to be trained as commandos. The training method portrayed in the movie is just part of the horrendous inhumane method imposed on the real life 31 recruits. I believe the reason was to dehumanize the recruits into a ruthless killing machine waiting to be sent to assasinate Kim il Sung. The Silmido recruit uprising in 1971 was indeed the darkest moment in South Korean history.
Whoever reading this. I pray that whatever you are going through get better and what ever you struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine. And that everyone has a fantastic day. Amen.
I'm not a spiritual person, but I appreciate your positive message and thoughts. Thank you, and I hope you have a wonderful day, too. May you, and anyone reading this, climb your mountains with strong footing.
Both Russia and Ukraine use prisoners, Russia only within wagner while Ukraine uses it within its regular force. Ukraine used convicts as far back as 2014 where units such as tornado batallion commited worst imaginable crimes against civilians.
Especially tortures and sexual assault on childern 4-12 yrs. There are many scumbags in Tornado ranks, but their commander Ruslan Onishchenko and Daniil Lyashuk especially distinguished themselves afaik.
@@eduardonajera9736 "Two 19‑year-olds, Viktor Sayenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Саєнко, Russian: Виктор Саенко), born 1 March 1988, and Igor Suprunyuk (Ukrainian: Ігор Супрунюк, Russian: Игорь Супрунюк), born 20 April 1988, were arrested and charged with 21 murders. A third conspirator, Alexander Hanzha (Ukrainian: Олександр Ганжа, Russian: Александр Ганжа), born February 1988, was charged with two armed robberies that took place before the murder spree. On 11 February 2009, all three defendants were found guilty. Sayenko and Suprunyuk were sentenced to life imprisonment, while Hanzha received nine years in prison. The lawyers for Sayenko and Suprunyuk launched an appeal, which was dismissed by the Supreme Court of Ukraine in November 2009." Their robber friend is out already (afaik), but the serial killers will rot in prison.
But now these Wagner PMCs have liberated Soledar from Ukrainian fascists and killed a couple of tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who had been training with the elite British special forces in Britain for six months. 😅😅
At age 17, R Lee Ermey was arrested for criminal mischief. He was given two options: One, go to jail, or two, enter the service. You all know he chose to enter the US Marines during the Vietnam War.
Edit: Wow I wasn't expecting to have 1.5k likes. Thanks guys.
And then we got Fullmetal Jacket, he made the best choice afforded to him😌
I'm originally from the same town as him, and was lucky enough to meet him while I was doing security at a Veteran's Day event. I was astounded by how friendly and personable he was, but slightly disappointed he didn't scream at me lol
The Marines made him a man, and the man made the Marines famous. He's the face/icon of the Drill Instructor and the Gunnery Sgt when someone thinks of those.
@@DeNihility True... He's the embodiment of a Hardass D.I.
R.I.P R Lee Ermey✝️☮️🕊🇺🇸🎖
I worked with a guy who was sentenced for robbery(3 year term),assault(2 years) and murder(10 years).So apparently he fought in the soviet -afghan war, First nagorno-karabah war,yugoslavia,first Chechen war and Russo-Georgian conflict.He was jailed in 2009 for murder and paroled and based on he's past combat experience send to fight inDobass (2014).Every time I questioned some the wild stories he was telling, he'd show me some old photo. The dude in question was 52 years at the time , he was covered in scars and tattoos and was still jacked as a mutafaka. At the start of the Russian invasion this year apparently he was wounded so he called me and joked that the doctors told him that his Rambo days are over.
BTW dude in question is ukrainian.
I know i shouldnt but this guy is based
You sure it was murder? How do you get ten years for murder?
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 yes 10 years is a lot... probably double murder
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 I'm writing down what I was told!Idk how stuff work in Ukrain,but in Bulgaria my grandfather stabbed a guy 16 times and severed his head off ,and he didn't serve a day in jail . Money and clinical insanity work wonders some times.
Edit:The one that got killed was shot dead because he was trying to force his killer's daughter into prostitution..
@@FROST76608 Hmmm, in my home country (Canada), the sentence for murder is life, which means twenty five years with a chance for parole after twenty five.
The US military has a history of using criminals during wartime as well. I'm pretty sure every major country has done this
Yes but they aren’t currently doing it…
@@blackwatertv7018 well, Kinda, As some can join the military instead of do prison time. At least when I was in, around 2008 I knew a couple.
@@blackwatertv7018 It used to back in the surge days of the Iraq war however is not a thing anymore.
@@TheSlayer. right...now they go straight in Blackwater or some other PMC
@@miroslavtordaji1675 da comrade BOTarish
convicts can be effective in combat especially if they have combat experience.
I once watched this documentary about this convicted group of commandos who in 1972 promptly escaped from a maximum security military stockade to the Los Angeles area. they survived being on the run by working as soldiers of fortune; if you needed help and could find them, you could have hired them.
Sounds like a bunch of alphas. An A-team if you will.
This is the best comment of the day
Better then them rotting in a cell.
“Chance to redeem themselves"
_Wait a second…_
more shooting and gun death in usa in last 50 years than in most modern war ...
I served with a few who had this option, most cleaned up there lives and contributed greatly.
Where did you serve with them?
@@Frosty_tha_Snowman sounds like the usmc (marine corps)
"most" is the key word. the ones who didnt are now criminals with combat training...
@engineer gaming far more crime happens in south America and the middle east than anywhere in America...besides Socialist/Democrat cities of course.
but is it worth it? to watch your friends die, and to even take another life?
Wasnt the French Foreign Legion founded on convicts?
Yup.....
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Yes
The current Administration in Washington DC certainly is
@@AutomatedPersonellUnit_3947 amen
One major down factor of using them, especially shown in WW2 with Nazis...
They committed so many crimes and atrocities that only solidified the will of the opposing side to fight. If the enemy knows they will be butchered if they surrender, that will only motivate them to fight even harder, to the bitter end. And if the tide of war turns (as was the case with Nazis), the other side after seeing the atrocities, will want a payback and commit them themselves. So, once again, a lot of innocent civilians will pay a horrible price for something they haven't done...
I’m immediately thinking of Come and See.
oh really the nazis those bielorussians and others civilians would also be under show trials and executed if they didnt submit to the rules and ordes of the soviet partisans who would acuse anyone they wished of being in league with the germans; they also killed a lot of their own civilians
USSR conscript soldiers surrendered in large numbers, many even fought for the Germans against the USSR, who commited far worse crimes against them. Ukrainians/ Lithuanians/ Kazaks/ White Russians etc
@@ShomoGoldburgler you forgot to add United State of America they committed one of the worse war crimes in vietnam,feance(during ww2) etc
It's worth noting yhat the US did this with petty criminals, not serious criminals, while the Einsatzgruppen were specifically chosen from murders, rapists, and psychopaths. The US mainly did this as an option to avoid prison rather than forced into it. The USSR penal battalions were mostly people convicted of cowardice or were chosen arbitrarily and those battalions were treated as disposable, the men knew it and so did the commanders so joining the enemy was usually a more pleasant choice during the early stages of WW2 and only later once the evils of the concentration camps became widely known did Soviet penal battalions stop surrendering en mass at the first opportunity.
Turns out that some of the people that don't fit within polite proper peaceful society make amazing soldiers
And it turns out a lot of the time they're more of a liability on the battlefield than an asset. If you have problems with authority, cooperating with others and being a thief, you probably wont make a good soldier and the other soldiers will probably hate you.
@@tofuchicken2 Justice is a mask for hate and fear. At lesat the honest monsters aren't pretending.
Mcnamar's idiots disagree
@@tofuchicken2 if they were in a gang then they would be good at following orders
@K Smith agreed some just needed guidance for good. Others well the others are the ones that commit war crimes or participate in it(see Russian convicts in Ukraine or Berlin.)
I remember watching a US documentary about a group of convicts being recruited in WWII for a particularly dangerous mission. If I recall there were about 12 of them and they weren't the cleanest of chaps.
Wouldn't that actually be the movie called the Dirty Dozen?
@@agent45625 did actually happen a fair amount. Sometimes they ended up in special forces since they were more independently minded and more used to hard living than your average conscript.
*The Dirty Dozen theme intensifies*
Good movie.
@@agent45625
I understood that reference!
"In desperate times, conscripted criminals refill our ranks. Sometimes however, you find a diamond in the rough"
I see what ya did there fellow warrior 😏
My father told me about the ethos of Korean marines.
That they were 80 percent prisoners and orphans and had nothing to go back home for and started to basically love the open world of combat to alleviate uncommon aggression
Ah yes the entirety of Australian armed forces
@@joshlyon1315 I Agree this Bosow brain isn’t from Australia and no the entire Australia armed forces are not prison inmates or criminals he is just a horrible person talking about another country he knows nothing about people like him make me sick
@@joshlyon1315 wasnt Australia a penal colony?
@@WissHH- He was talking about the modern armed forces of Australia
australia was made as prison colony anyway
@@joshlyon1315 Bro Australia was literally a Prison Colony LMFAO
Back in the late 1970's, a cousin of mine was arrested on drug charges and given a choice between the US Navy and jail.
"Hey you, want to earn back your honor for this country?"
"Yes, comrade, what do I do?"
"Walk in front of me."
Ukrainians now doing the same thing. Whatever Russia does, Ukrainians just copy
The Dirlewanger Brigade was so disgusting even the SS regarded them as evil. In 1945, Oskar Dirlewanger was captured while trying to escape disguised as a civilian. He was recognized and turned in by a concentration camp survivor. He was imprisoned at the Altshausen prison camp and beaten to death by the guards. A story with a happy ending.
I did not blame the Soviets Taking these mf's as prisoners of war Before the End of the war
They are the Nazis portrayed in Come and See. I don’t recommend that movie if you have a weak stomach.
"Over time, Joe and I got to be best friends. And since we were both poor, and there wasn't much work around, we started a little business of our own..."
"Well that one time it didn't work so good. The year was 1943. America was at war and the Army was lookin' for guys who spoke the language to help with the invasion of Sicily."
"I was eighteen, and anything seemed better than jail. Who says you can't go home again?"
Suicide Squad lowkey is based on a true story.
If you find the idea of Convict Soldiers interesting, look up the "La Legion Noire", and the Battle of Fishguard.
Edit: Soldiers ready for death. Damn. Even the watered UA-cam documentary’s training is extreme. dudes are mercs & no joke.
Vito Scaletta's a perfect fit for the story
I see you’re a man of culture. Love mafia two.
Gives a whole new meaning to Prisoners of War.
"Let's send the guy that was convicted of wire fraud to the meatgrinder on Hill 87!"
Dirlewanger’s Brigade has always stuck out to me due to the fact that they were so violent that even other SS commanders wanted them tried and hung.
Virtue signal flag
@@TNMD88 sorry, but it's something when you can even make members of the Thrid Reich go "Bruh"
the same SS folks fighting under your pathetic flag took inspiration from?
Other SS? What a load of crap
The Catholic Ustasha were even more
German penal battalions were also used in North Africa. The prisoners at Camp Stark, in Stark, New Hampshire, were from penal battalions.
Afaik Germans had entire penal divisions at some point. They were few, but definitely had times when almost entirety of their manpower was just wiped. Oh and the SS battalion mentioned in video turned out to be terrible against real military, for they had zero real tactics and instead just ran/walked at their enemy and hip fired their guns. What also didn't help them was the fact they had no armored vehicles as a support.
Two choices during the war
Do you want to stay in prison forever? Or do you want to join the war?
"Well I have only two weeks left behind bars so..."
"You are hired"
"NO W-W-WAIT!"
Didn't Ukraine also drafted their prisoners during battle of Kiev?
Yeah, a prominent group is the Tornado battalion due to many members being molestors, pedos, etc.
Vice verse for the Wagner PMC group in Russia.
yep, but wont fit western propaganda so they skip this part
Да. Но зачем об этом говорить когда Русские всегда должны быть плохими
@@Tonyx.yt. Almost the whole video is about western armies using prisoners
They drafted former servicemen with combat experience who were imprisoned for crimes, Wagner takes in regular convicts and on a large scale, in thousands.
The moment I saw this video pop up in my recommendations I just knew you had to talk about the Dirlewanger brigade. You should’ve talked more about their crimes though but I understand why you wouldn’t. Many of their crimes are far too graphic to be put on any UA-cam video and would’ve made this video age restricted.
Age restricting actual history is so stupid I hate it.
I read the Wikipedia page on them and was horrified and angered but not surprised
Look for the book "The black Hunters"
It's probably the most in depth history on Dirlewenger
My great uncle was an U.S. Air Corps navigator on bombing runs and a POW twice between WW2 and Korea. After surviving that he became an Officer, he was emplaced with Russian immigrants, learned Russian, and then worked at Norad before it was public. When he was about to retire they wouldn’t promote him to Lt. Col. Not sure if it was with the changing of times or someone didn’t like him, but they wouldn’t promote him because he had a violent crime on his record. He joined Army the age of 17 because of this reason, go to prison or join the service. He survived two wars, learned a new language, became an officer and got to work at a top secret base for the times, all because he beat someone up. They promoted him to Lt. Col. only after he passed away of old age, so at least Uncle Sam did that.
Interesting story, can make a movie.
The warsaw uprising needs its own video, so does witold pilecki, surprised this hasn’t been done yet
What this describes sounds quite a lot like the premise of The Dirty Dozen movies that had Lee Marvin and Telly Savalas in them.
The only major differences regarding the premise of the film, is that some of the war criminals selected were also considered to either be dangerously mentally ill or extremely violent as well as having been sentenced to death or long term imprisonment.
And additionally instead of just being put on the frontline alongside other infantry units, they were assigned on high risk or suicide missions that the military wouldn't be willing to risk expending their main infantry units for.
The criminals in the Dirty Dozen were assigned the job and retrained for it instead because of the fact that it wouldn't be a huge loss to the high brass if they failed, and in exchange for accepting the mission, it also puts the possibility of remission of what they were initially sentenced to in exchange for fulfilling their end of the agreement.
I studied the use of prisoners by Germany and Russia during WW2 and then later in guerilla wars in Africa. Some of these guys were hard core belligerent violent and had a loose moral code. This idea was floated to the US during Vietnam too. Soldiers with skills in burglary, forgery, racing, torture, and various other 'skills' were used to train US special forces and Navy Seals. Particularly by Richard Marcinko in the 80's when Team Six was first formed.
In fact, in the United States, prisoners were used during the war between the north and the south. So it is their experience that Germany and the USSR applied at home.
@@евгенийгорбатов-м3щ prisoners were used in wars even before that, Prygozhyn’s bytch 😁
I heard about convicts in Wagner's Group as a second chance or alternative to fully serve 8 years of incarceration
And Ukraine’s Tornado Group.
Yup, both sides in the war are using convicts to their advantage.
@@tamimi9231 its clever
Wagner Group is even worse than black water when it comes to it's contractors
@@jordanmince7613 Not really. Some veterans argue that granting weapons training and combat knowledge to thugs can backfire.
United States Marine Corps used to have a convict program sort of recruitment aswell but since has been dissolved.
I never knew there were so much prisoners recruited by armies!
That last line hit extremely deeply
love this video way better then tv shows
Ikr this channel is amazing
If you have life time or 10-15+ years it's worthy to try your luck in conflict. Better die fighting than in prison room.
My Grandfather was arrested, along with his cousin, for shoplifting when he was 16 or 17. The judge gave them two options, the Army or jail. They chose the Army. Grandpa was sent to Guam in 1945. He and his buddies captured two Japanese holdouts. After his discharge, Grandpa went back home around 1947, but ran into trouble again. Left with no other recourse he rejoined the Army and made it a career, up to 26 years of service. World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. About half of that service was sober. We think.
Meanwhile a certain country uses prisoners for making money...
I love that you guys showed the Russian prisoner using the homemade crossbow from the prison weapons episode. Your attention to detail is amazing and that was a great Easter egg!
"This is gulag in here you fight to win your life back"
Now we need an entire video on the Dirlewanger brigade. The most ruthless barbaric and evil Waffen SS Unit of WW2.
when fellow SS from other units call you extremist and want you to calm down a little bit...
The Catholic Ustasha WW2 group are confirmed to be even worse
Didn't they inspire Hannibal Lecter
Ah, so The Dirty Dozen wasn't just fiction then.😲
Great movie by the way.
Penal Battallions
Often thrown on suicide missions
Someone gotta storm beaches of Normandy, better not be a good guy.
I know it's not quite the same thing as a "penal battalion," but I know that in the old days, at least through they Vietnam era, young men convicted of minor crimes were given the option of military service as an alternative to imprisonment. I heard that's how Jimi Hendrix ended up in the 101st Airborne Division. He got caught, like, stealing a car or something, and the judge said he could either go to jail or go to the army. That's not a hard choice...
I've spoken to a number of people who've had that happen to them. That still happens today, trust me.
A thug is an unsuccessful king... An easy access to violence-accustomed human resorce
PMCs is a topic of its own...
You guys are on fire lately, uploading vids everyday
My uncle was given the option of jail or the military (he shot up a Burger King he worked at after closing hours). He ended up making a career of it, and we think he did some spooky stuff after he retired in the early 2000's, but we don't know for certain. He recently retired from being a contractor for the Navy. My theory is that some people just need structure, and they'll go crazy without it. The military (or prison I suppose) can provide that.
He shot up a burger King and they let him join the military?I got a felony for drug possession(1 xanax) and they still wouldn't let me join instead of doing time
Сдаётся мне, есть правда в твоих словах.
@@Mister.45 I’m sure if we were at full blown war like a Vietnam scenario that they would let you join the military. We’re not at full blown war right now.
Not only criminals, but traitors to their country. What do they deserve?
Great video! Also at 3:02 is a reference to the movie “Dirty Dozen”! It’s a great movie
"Filthy thirteen?"
I like it how this channel keeps going with the news flow. It's really amazing to watch the historical channel make videos about historical events in action. There is really no need to wait for facts, and let historical events fully finish and project the results on the world, when you can make something that grabs the attention, no matter the objectivity. Cool videos, keep on.👍👍👍
"The day's work are done my candlesticks, silverware, fancy glasses and kitchen knives have been left out on the table in plain view and the doors have been left unlocked. Time to go to bed."
"Ah, excellent. A fabulous display from which to steal. I shall individually place each of these things into my satchel in the most delicate manner possible."
@@cheshirecynic3061 That actually makes sense. You don't want to make noise when you're robbing.
@@ImperatorZor I mean, the smart move would be not to burglarize an occupied building (especially a home, since that's a higher-level felony). The smartest move, of course, would be just not being a burglar lol
Your pumping videos out fast and its actually shows you just how much history there is to learn that's why I love this channel I've been watching for years
2:46 is that a dirty dozen reference,? Nice
LMAO! That dog barking at 9:16. I didn't expect that. LOL!
WW1 Britain: *Calls Australia.*
basically the real suicide squad.
This video was so well made 💯 👌🏻 ✅
awesome!
Like The Dirty Dozen
Attention seeker
when I was younger, i couldn't understand how can tens of thousands of people get killed without deffending themselves.. as I grow older, I learn about the world and I now know that the way to make that happen is ===> compliance ... DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES COMPLY TO ANYTHING THAT IS INHUMANE!! EVER!!!!
2:45 love the dirty dozen reference
Criminals becoming war-criminals.
8:44 and in footage Prigozhin himself said "if you kill, rob or rape civilians, you will be shot. Deserters will be shot too" and yes, there were news of deserters in Wagner PMC, who got shot.
9:20 that feels like a bullshit, tho. They didn't even send all 300k mobilized reservists into Ukraine yet (they're still in training centers and some will only go to Ukraine in 2023), so why would regular army go and do whole penal battalion thing? Prigozhin himself is just getting more manpower for his small army (like Kadyrov has his own guard regiment, tiktoker company and etc. btw there's no more tiktoks of those, I wonder where they went...)
One thing this video forgot to mention:
Ukrain first tapped into their prison population using a lot of prisoners at the front lines, however they where used in siege warfare, meaning a lot of them are pretty likely to be dead, used as cannon foder for Russian artillery. Some fought with international volunteers, a lot of them finding death together.
people got a chance to prove that they aren't lost for society
i think its a good step
Honourable Mention
Michael Corleone
Another great video as always
Great job with the music 🎶
This actually sounds pretty clever if you ask me
Outstanding!
4:05 - Simple History, I think you're supposed to say "Order 227" as a correction.
Why did I see the thumbnail and immediately think of "think fast chucklenuts"
I like how the animation has gotten better over time
War... War never changes.
Урок истории для наших "Натовских партнёров". Во первых, приказ 277 являлся приказом устанавливающим десциплинарную ответственность для военнослужащих и граждан, что оставили оборудование, оружие, продовольствие и т.п. врагу. Приказ же, получивший название "Ни шагу назад!" имел номер 227 и устанавливал десциплинарную ответственность для военнослужащих за САМОВОЛЬНОЕ ОСТАВЛЕНИЕ СВОИХ ПОЗИЦИЙ И ТРУСОСТЬ. В действительности, НЕ БЫЛО НИКАКИХ ЗАГРАДИТЕЛЬНЫХ ОТРЯДОВ ЧТО РАССТРЕЛИВАЛИ ВСЕХ ТРУСОВ И ДЕЗЕРТИРОВ! Заградительные отряды НКВД, как правило, возвращали в бой или на пересыльнные пункты около 80% всех испугавшихся солдат. Расстреливали агитаторов и провокаторов и из всей массы это ~5-10%. Штрафные батальоны, во времена Великой Отечественной войны, как правило, использовались как штурмовые батальоны при штурме оборонительных линий немецких фашистов. Сейчас же, на войне с фашистским режимом Украины, "штрафники" имеют ту же роль штурмовиков и как правило действуют ни как отдельная боевая единица, а как единица интыгрирующаяся с танковыми и артилерискими подразделениями. Разговоры о массовой сдаче в плен российских штрафников-миф, не имеющий весомых доказательств.(факт того, что бывают случаи сдачи отдельных бойцов, я не отрицаю). Подучите историю, товарищи с запада.
Your guys animations getting really good
This reminds me of _StarCraft_ ‘s Terran’s Infantry, especially the ones used by the Confederacy & later the Dominion…
that should remind you of this
Most Terran infantry ARE NOT convicts
In Sc2 the Dominion is less reliant on convicts
I technically disagree, @@christiandauz3742: < ua-cam.com/video/VSGmPpidDvo/v-deo.html > & < trying to find a UNN broadcast about this in _Wings of Liberty_ >…
@@nickvinsable3798
The Marauders are mostly non-convicts unlike Firebats
Ah, so if you’re going by the different kinds of infantry, such as marines vs ghosts, I would agree with you, @@christiandauz3742. However, don’t assume that the numbers of individual units on the battlefields are exactly the same & such…
My homie Casper manufactures my old Army PT uniform.
Real life Suicide Squad… lol
Cool Video! Thx
In Yugoslav wars in 1990's, criminals (some of them even worked for secret services before wars, operating in west europe) were not only drafted, but probably encouraged to lead so called "volunteer corps", that were in fact vultures whom came and just loot and killed.
Since they were covertly state sponsored, they were often portraited as heros.
We still do this. I've known multiple people that ended up with a criminal charge and were offered to either join the army or go to prison.
In 1968, South Korean intelligence established the assassination squad UNIT 684 in which the recruits were the petty, lowly street criminals as well as ordinary people where they were lured and tricked with money. UNIT 684 was a response for failed North Korean assassination attempt on President Park Chung Hee. UNIT 684 was shrouded in secrecy in South Korea for many years due to controversial nature of the recruitments sources and inhumane commando training that would make nowadays' special forces training look like a kindergarten. UNIT 684 recruits were pushed to the limit until they launched rogue uprising in 1971 by killing their trainers and hijacking the public bus on their way to Seoul, but they were stopped by the ROK Army. Realizing no way out, the recruits committed mass suicide with hand grenades.
it silmido movie right? i watch it on tv as a kid but i dont understand too much about the movie, but as i grew up its darker than how i imagined it back then
@@donny8593 yes, that movie is SILMIDO. I've watched them on YT. The movie portrayed 31 recruits as death-sentence convicts that got secretly smuggled into uninhabited Silmido island to be trained as commandos. The training method portrayed in the movie is just part of the horrendous inhumane method imposed on the real life 31 recruits. I believe the reason was to dehumanize the recruits into a ruthless killing machine waiting to be sent to assasinate Kim il Sung. The Silmido recruit uprising in 1971 was indeed the darkest moment in South Korean history.
In this video was maked misstake. Criminals taken not to army, they taken into Wagner PMC
8:42 Это ложь. В Вагнере жестко относятся к этому, там царит жесткая дисциплина. Насколько помню, в Вагнер не берут тех, кто сидит за изнасилование.
Great video. Well done man. Legend.
Also, merry Christmas
Whoever reading this. I pray that whatever you are going through get better and what ever you struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine. And that everyone has a fantastic day. Amen.
I'm not a spiritual person, but I appreciate your positive message and thoughts. Thank you, and I hope you have a wonderful day, too. May you, and anyone reading this, climb your mountains with strong footing.
"Are you Billy Bridger?"
I'm seeing some reference from The Dirty Dozen in this one
Man I love tht simple history is putting more videos out faster lol I don't have wait as long to see s new one lol
Cool videos!!
“Tell me Bridger, do you like the seaside?”
Both Russia and Ukraine use prisoners, Russia only within wagner while Ukraine uses it within its regular force.
Ukraine used convicts as far back as 2014 where units such as tornado batallion commited worst imaginable crimes against civilians.
Especially tortures and sexual assault on childern 4-12 yrs. There are many scumbags in Tornado ranks, but their commander Ruslan Onishchenko and Daniil Lyashuk especially distinguished themselves afaik.
I wonder about the 3 guys of the hammer, i'm sure they're soldiers now
@@eduardonajera9736
They are probably dead by punishment
@@eduardonajera9736 "Two 19‑year-olds, Viktor Sayenko (Ukrainian: Віктор Саєнко, Russian: Виктор Саенко), born 1 March 1988, and Igor Suprunyuk (Ukrainian: Ігор Супрунюк, Russian: Игорь Супрунюк), born 20 April 1988, were arrested and charged with 21 murders. A third conspirator, Alexander Hanzha (Ukrainian: Олександр Ганжа, Russian: Александр Ганжа), born February 1988, was charged with two armed robberies that took place before the murder spree. On 11 February 2009, all three defendants were found guilty. Sayenko and Suprunyuk were sentenced to life imprisonment, while Hanzha received nine years in prison. The lawyers for Sayenko and Suprunyuk launched an appeal, which was dismissed by the Supreme Court of Ukraine in November 2009."
Their robber friend is out already (afaik), but the serial killers will rot in prison.
But now these Wagner PMCs have liberated Soledar from Ukrainian fascists and killed a couple of tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who had been training with the elite British special forces in Britain for six months. 😅😅
Дорогой Запад, вы все действительно думаете что у нас вся армия состоит только из штрафников Вагнера?
А ты видео посмотрел или только название?) Если посмотрел, то имеешь ли знания в инглише?
They have me three options - prison, the army, or apologise to the judge.
Had I known a war was going on, I probably would've just apologised.
russian "wagner" is not into redemption judging by their sledgehammer videos...
5:48 "Durlewagner brigade"
Bro come on 😭😭
*sees title*
My brain: "Flak Trooper, doing my time"
At least I have a job
Almost surprised that the French Foreign Legion was not mentioned
NOT the Russian army, but а Vagner
Giveing criminal’s guns is not a good idea