More Breaking NEWS on CGC Forums and State of Comics
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2024
- Viewer sent me the entire who shot John on his issues with CGC quality control. Names have been redacted to protect their accounts. Is your 9.8 really a 9.8.
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I'm at the point where what remains of my PC has been catalogued but every single book is raw... I was doing my deep dive research into slabbing when the shoe dropped with CGC's reholder scandal... and then their internal law suit. And now their inability to produce a quality product while people, not just businesses, are investing their dollar into a process that has been the foundation of the premium collectible market since their inception. And now I want nothing to do with CGC, despite never personally dealing with them in the first place. So much of what I'm seeing is just inexcusable... and the open bias the market has against other graders is absolutely clear, at least from my outsider's position. That being said, I'm fortunate that I travel for work. I have a 9 state territory and I have begun finding my favorite shops in the states I get to go to. Went to Samurai Comics in Phoenix, AZ, today and picked up two raw pieces I didn't even know I wanted until today LOL but that is one of the best parts of what we do as collectors and as fans. It's a shame, what's happened to CGC but, frankly, it's long since needed to happen. At least from my point of view. The community needs a shakeup. CGC most CERTAINLY has needed one. This will end with a stronger, better prepared, better informed community, in my opinion. And that is a very good thing.
Thank you so much for sharing your journey in comics. I love hearing everybody's view and how they're collecting. Thanks for being part of the conversation.
@@HavenForHeroes love your channel. Hoping to be able to come for a visit, some day :)
I got back into collecting about 6 or 7 years ago. Grading comics at the time was new to me. I have set books to all the grading companies.
CBCS : I've sent 5 books. I got them back with no problems. They had great service.
PGX : I sent one book. I received it back with no issue and received an email to see if I was satisfied with their service.
EGS : I sent one book to try the company out received it back with no issue.
CGC : Last year sent 5 books in. When I received them back. Three had mechanical errors. 2 books were double covers that they missed even after I indicated on my invoice. One book was a newsstand again they missed that even after I indicated it on my invoice.
I've only had bad experience with CGC and good experience with all the other companies. I think in the long run it will devastate the value of the comic industry as a whole if CGC doesn't fix the problems.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the 4 companies its very eye opening. welcome to the conversation
"Mechanical errors are in the 50% range" - How can you possibly know that?
That's the number they were passing around on the CGC chat boards
How can they possibly know that? And if you can't answer that question, why did you repeat it confidently in your video?@@HavenForHeroes
I met the guys from CGC in 2000 in Kutztown, Pa as I was bringing artists to a local comic con a friend sponsored. I looked at the slabs at the time and noted defects (dust shadows, minor creases for example) that they were claiming were NM. We discussed the concept of acurately grading and the subjectivity if I resubmitted the same book and received a different grade. Also paying a third party to confirm comic pros' signatures that I always obtain in person is not happening.I have collected comics since 1960, have sold comics and art internationally. Ebay member since 1998. I'll keep my books raw.
Thank you so much for sharing your story so many people participating in the conversation really brings a lot to light. Welcome aboard
Your wisdom and knowledge much appreciated in these dark days of comic collecting. A*
I appreciate that
Love hearing the stare of comics, cool to hear what your reading and recomend.
Thank you
Thanks for the useful information. You are saving me money and lots of headaches.
Great to hear!
Hey Emmet, this is Dave. I watched the video last night. Outstanding presentation! Thanks so much!
That is what is so frustrating…the comic shop owners and big comic UA-camrs are so invested in having cgc be the leader because of all their inventory that they’re turning a blind eye to cgc’s obvious problem. I was watching one of those big 5 comic UA-camrs the other day and he just straight up said something needs to be done but not by me. I sent him a message and said hey how bout YOU stand up? You’re part of the problem. How bout you send some stuff to cbcs instead? A full 1/3 of stuff I send to cgc has to be broken out of cases and repressed or resubmitted. Newton rings, bubbling on the cover, baffling grades and case damage I get in almost every order. I’m sending to cbcs now and haven’t had a single problem and the cases are beautiful. Be the change you want to see
Sadly most youtubers no longer read their comments. Thank you for sharing the problems you've had and being part of the conversation
For many years, I've noticed "puddling" on the backside of CGC slabs. Look up puddling, it's a weird impression that's the size of the palm, generally, but varies in size. Shape is a bit circular and can be more seen at an angle. I believe it's the air suction or compression during the inner well process. Ugly as hell if you see it. Back in the day, CGC admit knowing about it but brushed it off as NOT harming the physical book. Well, that's BS because anyone who took out the book will notice a slight impression of the book backside. IF YOU HAVE CGC BOOKS AND YOU NOTICE THE PUDDLING, prepare yourself, it will make your blood boil.
Thank you for the information this is a new term I hadn't heard.
Thank you 🙏. Your the best 👌 👍
Thank you
Fun vid! Hey, just a thought. Being an actual comic shop that has actual face to face customers. Have you ever thought of bringing some (customers/friends) on and talking books? Its a niche that not all you tubers can actually do, and for myself would be interesting to watch. Anyways, cheerz man, keep up the gr8 vids!
Thanks. I have some really old videos with one of my old-time friends. She was also a customer. You have to dig deep. Thanks for the support. Stay tuned!
New sub here. Definitely enjoyed the conversation being a frequent CGC customer. Look forward to checking out future content and let’s #growtogether and stay tuned.
Thanks for the sub and welcome aboard
@@HavenForHeroes my pleasure
New to your channel. Great video.
thanks for the sub and welcome aboard
👍 Aces. I'm getting tired of watching UA-camrs show off their "haul", I'm mostly into gold, silver, and early bronze age books, and I've seen 'em already. Good conversation is what I'm here for. 🤘 Keep rockin' it. 🔥💀🔥
Thank you
Everyone should just send their books to CBCS. They have far better cases and no Newton rings ever!
That's a great point
Buy comics you like ungraded in great condition. You name your price. Forget the graders.
Very true!
Howdy sir! Your back comic book wall always makes me salivate (perhaps I should see someone about that...) I've never bought a slabbed comic nor paid to have one slabbed, but after seeing the kinds of slabbing defects that people are discussing, it seems to me much of this is caused by carelessness and rushing when packing & slabbing the books, but some of it could also be from careless shipping & handling. I've known folks who work in warehouses or at the post office: packages do get dropped and banged around, unfortunately. But I can understand being pissed off about it when you're paying for premium name-brand quality. More care should definitely be taken on CGC's end. In regard to STATE OF COMICS, I am seeing an uptick in story quality largely from DC, and to a lesser extent Marvel... But at the same time, I'm also seeing worn-out trends and dead horses raped & beaten to death... Personally, I'm a little tired of giving a superhero a "family" of characters such as Superman and all his House of EL companions, Spider-Man and all his Spider-Verse rabble, Venom and his never-ending group of Symbiote characters, Flash and his club of speedsters, Batman and his Bat-folks, Spawn and his Spawn-army, Thor and his Thor Corps... You get the idea. I'm also tired of the multiple crossover events that try to get you to buy comics you wouldn't normally buy just to complete the story. So I guess what I'm seeing is an attempt to bring in writers who contribute some quality ideas, but also heavy marketing gimmicks are still pushing a lot of monthly product onto the shelves. I am still finding things that catch my interest, but not as much as I did maybe 15-20yrs ago. That's my nickel's worth of thought on these topics.
Thanks for sharing your comics journey and your thoughts on grading. You're now part of the conversation. Welcome aboard!
Joker year 1 is very good. The art work inside the book is amazing.
Agreed
Skybound/Image Energon Universe (Transformers, Duke, Cobra Commander) ARE KILLING HIT!!!!!!!
Yes sir for sure I'm loving it Duke's got to get a lot better but everything else is fantastic
The first submission i sent to CGC had mechanical error issues and as a first time customer I was really surprised and disappointed. They did fix the issues. But now I am not so much surprised. The quality control at CGC is horrible.
Thank you for sharing your experience welcome to the conversation
Totally agree! I stopped with graded comics. I don’t see it as investing personally. I started collecting again over the last two years. I just want to get and read the comics I couldn’t afford as a kid. I only cgc’d the comics I personally want to put up in my home as art instead of a painting of a bowl of apples.
Everyone should collect how they want to collect just know what they're getting. Thank you for sharing
You’ve with the help of a subscriber identified a consistent issue with cgc. Sir the industry is so tied in to this organization. Most don’t know what to do. I when I slab witch is rare and more for press use CBCs. Keep pushing on these guys cgc. Also you need to luck much closer at the Auction houses. Not specifically eBay. Do some googling on who’s there and there extreme questionable back grounds.
thank you Sir, I'll find that rabbit hole welcome to the conversation
Wonderful analogy you made in a previous video that the slabbed comic book is essentially a tangible NFT. I too am an "old guy" and the spirit in which I collect is casual, over the years, since i was 12, for the love of story and art. With all its obvious flaws in the process, I am 100% convinced slabbing is a racket (from a well-meaning place, to certify books in this age of buying over the internet, but a racket nevertheless). If I was deeply invested into thousands, especially hundreds of thousand of dollars into slabbed comics, I too would be in denial of all its inherent problems at its every stage.
Great points. Thanks for joining the conversation
I've never been good at keeping up with continuity. I prefer shorter series and runs. Avengers Twilight has been excellent so far. It feels like Marvel's Kingdom Come without being a straight copy. G.O.D.S. has been getting better and better each issue as well. It's like they let Hickman off the leash for that one and he's slow-cooking something special. I always love John's JSA stuff too, guy just has a great grasp on that group of characters. Tom King's run on Wonder Woman has got me reading a WW book every month (and loving it). World's Finest has been delivering shorter runs that are tons of fun too. I hope the trend continues, love seeing hype about stories and writers. Anyway, keep it up man, you're awesome! Love the channel(s)!
100% agree, but it's good news for those of us who sell new comics, they're kind of leaving it up to the people for good at what they do and not the editors
I use a 3rd party in Ontario, Canada to CGC grade my comics; they are good people who handle my comics with care and save me money. On one of my larger order pick-ups, CGC crammed all my books into one box plastic to plastic! Two of the holders were cracked. The 3rd party sent them back and it took over two months for CGC to re-holder them. I wasn't happy about that.
Thanks for sharing your story and being part of the conversation
I love these videos!
Thank you
I went from skeptical to a subscriber of this channel.. think you and Swagglehaus should really do a video❤️ you guys are different and the same and would agree more than you would disagree
I'm down if he is.
What do you think about the new trend from Marvel and DC to produce more facsimiles of older comics? It seems like they are coming out weekly. I would like to see a video on your take on the subject.
Actually think it's great. It is also a cash grab but so many people will never have the opportunity to have this book. I appreciate the suggestion. I will be doing the show with multiple trends in the comic industry and this would fit right in. Thank you
I've used CGC since 2012 and haven't had any major problems. Sure, some cases have had minor scratches and Newton rings, but nothing major. All of the cases are not exactly the same, and few cases are perfect, but I wouldn't say that there are problems with 50 percent of CGC's cases. Oh, and I've also used CBCS, and while I haven't had any problems with Newton rings, I have received many cases from CBCS that had scratches. These scratches are fairly common on these plastic cases. There are products you can buy online that help remove most of the scratches.
Thanks for being part of the conversation and giving us your experiences.
CGC droppin the ball, letting CBCS and even others take advantage in the market. Better to have multiples than a monopoly.
Competition is what keeps people honest
Fewt Bawl? Never heard of him.
On a serious note, the number of CGC books I had to send back (numerous times even in the same books) for foreign objects was a major turn off. I haven't sent stuff in for over a year now.
I'm here. This from a lot of people and I'm wondering if there's just handful of graders but if you get that greater you're going to get a crap work ethic.
It's posted on their site that it's 14 days from the date you have received your order from them. So in terms of you paying attention to your order and returning them your quality control should be to inspect your books as soon as they arrive to get issues cleared up. I open mine the day they arrive so I can ensure I meet this timeline and it's worked out well for me clearing up issues with no cost to me and cgc has taken care of every issue I've had.
This is good to hear and thank you for the information.
The momentum is good writing. Getting away from gender, sexual choices and writing stories.
Nobody wins with identity politics
@@HavenForHeroes amen to that. I read comics to escape stupid not to read it.
Do you have any kind of an online store or eBay or do Whatnot or anything? I really like your channel and I would like to do business with you, but I live far far away.
Well thank you so much! We used to be online through TCG player. They no longer do comics. We do have an eBay store but we only sell toys in oddball vintage items. We are looking for a comic outlet. As far as what not, check out my video on whatnot. See what I think of them.
I have 25 comics that just left CGC, I haven't received them yet. Also, I have 25 more that I expect to leave next week. That's 50, total. I can record the unboxing for you and send it, if you would like.
That would be great, especially if you can get some really close-ups if you do have any mechanical issues.
Not looking good for CGC. 😮The ultimate power falls with the customer. The customer controls the outcome for sure. If everyone moves their business then they have power.
great point thanks
Personally I think the stories might be good but honestly I think the art work is what sells this new stuff. Love bronze, silver age much better art work and stories in my opinion being a graphic designer that’s what I think. Glossy covers and pages aren’t required. Marvel are a nightmare so confusing DC much better but I prefer independents keep an eye out for mine and my daughters book !! Cheers 🍻
Absolutely love the Indies all the way back to 86
Most of us have received less than perfect slabs from CGC, but the vast majority of us continue to send in books, whether it be for resale or our PC. Unfortunately, we all know that a CGC slab will get us a higher return (on average 30% more?) than CBCS or another cie. I happen to like the CBCS slabs a lot, but I'll never slab with them for that reason. I'll purchase them at a lesser price, crack them open and submit them to CGC. I think a lot of people do that. It's a bit of a vicious circle...!
Love your honesty for some its just the economics of it. Thank you for joining the conversation
The grunpiest man in comics! I actually hope this channel talks about collecting comics one day, rather then just complaining about what wrong or right. That would be a great video to watch rather then a click bait yawn fest. Guess I can be grumpy too, huh?
I have a bunch of older videos where I talk comics with a friend and customer. It's coming back I assure you
@HavenForHeroes thank God! I miss the ole Santa man who nice and sweet! This guy seen here actually scares my children. Lol.
Chill out, man! Someone clearly has his skin in the CGC-game here, right?
@cielant it's all in good fun bro, I am messing with the old man, I think he got the joke. And please do continue to tell me what's in my PC! You must be looking thru your tea leafs or using a tarot deck? Clairvoyant? Lol. Gezzz
THE SLAB CRASH IS HERE!!.
Cheers. Welcome aboard!
@@HavenForHeroes absolutely, I’m here for it!, buy the book not the grade and I’m capitalising on it!!.
Slab crash 😂. Slabs are alive and well bud, and that ain’t gunna change no matter how much any loser trolls attack them.
@@Comicbookyoutubersrock lol good luck with that buddy!.
Gold and silver will hold value, which is what slabbing was intended for.
@@repique10 Across the board, CGC books have held value, despite old farts attacking them 😘. It just really hurt this guy’s ego no matter how many videos he does attacking CGC, books will still sell strong 😂.
good time to invest in cbcs 🤷♂
Could be
Avengers twilight is back to writing cap as cap would be!
Yes that's it I wish I had said that his true voice is back.
Is this Zakk Wylde’s dad?😂
Oh awesome! Well welcome aboard!
No less then 33% of all modern CGC books are over graded.
Books they call 9.8 or 9.6 are clearly over graded by at least 2 or 3 grades.
I agree 100%. Thank you for joining the conversation
Here's how stupid this hobby has become... I had a Star Wars 42 newsstand PGX 9.4 that I paid $23 for many years ago. When it got hot, I sent it to CGC and they returned as a 9.8. At closer inspection (I actually had a video of this up which I have since taken down) I noticed blunted corners, rips, and a chip missing on the top of the cover. I did take a picture of the front cover before sending to CGC and as far as I can see it's the same book. Here's the stupid part, if I were to sell that book, at that time as a PGX 9.4, I may have received $600 or so. Instead, I sold as a CGC 9.8 and got $4,500! I posted many close up photos so the buyer could see and decide, but all they saw was the 9.8. The SAME comic sold for thousands more just because of the case it was in. I'm an "old timer" too (61) and I find it crazy that most new collectors put all the value in the grade and grading company and not the comic. A raw NM comic should carry the same value as a graded NM comic, because we collect comics, not grades!
Yes Sir, thank you for joining the conversation.
you forgot to put link in description
Oh I did! I'm so sorry. I will provide it hopefully Monday.
Cgc response is what do you expect we only pay 15hr for people who came off the street and now you as the consumer of your books are entrusting these people to grade your books.. lol yah but don’t worry your gonna get more money for your books because it has that guarantee on that label…😁
Exactly great point!
Also, you have 100k comics...I have a list of books that I am looking for. I am willing to pay for the time to look and pull. Let me know.
We don't charge for the digging time. Just the shipping. Send us a list. Probably best through Facebook or email.
Will do, and this comment would have been best as an email, itself. Thank you. The list is coming. @@HavenForHeroes
I never liked cgc from the start.
Thanks for watching
Grandpa yelling at the CGC clouds again.....
Yep
For every collectible grading customer cheering the grader they use on, there is another non-collectible grading customer telling everyone how terrible services they don't use are for the hobby. The people in this comment section cheering for the downfall of CGC are no different than CGC shills: people who are desperate for their version of the hobby to be admired and replicated in a larger community (and market). Look in the mirror and focus on your own collection.
Interesting take. Thanks for being part of the conversation
No problem. "CGC IS GARBAGE" .. "DONT GRADE YOUR COMICS" .. Seems you are desperate to exact control over what others find value in, and that wall of raw books behind you must be thirsty for validation. Find something to enjoy in your own collection and let other people do the same@@HavenForHeroes
You are 100% correct, too many big time collectors have too much money invested in CGC for them to fail.
CGC Heads, will hold their 9.6 in their hands that clearly is a 9.2 or lower, and they will argue argue untill they are blue in the face supporting the book is a 9.6.
Now the big problem is, those same people will point out every flaw on CBCS & PGX graded books.
The vast majority of PGX books from the last 5 years are graded far more accurate then CGC.
Thank you for all this information. Wasn't aware that PGX was grading much harder now. Welcome to the conversation
I think that you spend an awful alot of time trying to denegrate the CGC. They are not a perfect company and no business is including yours. I feel that they provide a valuable service for the collecting community. Yesterday I was thinking about buying an expensive comic, the seller was over GoCollects guide price and he claimed that the book was a 9.8, but it was raw. There are many times that due to the picture online or otherwise, you cant see the actual imperfections based on its post. If I had bought the item the difference in a 9.8, 9.6, and 9.4 was thousands of dollars. I had to countless times ask for photos of the spine as the poster conveniently left out the proper view. Yes they had the scam, but for the most part, you can bank on the fact that a graded book is within a minimum of .5 to 1 of the actual grade depending on the grader which varies from grader to grader. Are you ever going to say some good things about the CGC?
I think I have six or seven videos on CGC if you watch them in succession I was trying to make a complete point. The last one I made is the culmination of that. Unless there's another scandal, I won't be making any further CGC content. I believe people should collect the way they like to collect. I have a personal philosophy that coffined books are not for me. Most of my big customers are other dealers who can purchase raw books clean and press and grade and make three to five x on their money. I'm an indie centric reader centric shop. I don't have anything good to say about cgc and the way they've conducted themselves as a company and the way that they've manipulated the market. A lot of the money spent on grading books takes money out of the actual hobby of buying books. Again only my opinion. I welcome opposite opinions. I appreciate yours and welcome aboard and hopefully we'll have some content that you do. Enjoy!
I've encountered numerous subpar CGC slabs, too many to tally. Examples include cellophane tape adhered inside the slab, scuff marks on the inside of the outer case, heavily scratched inner cases, cracked casings, trimmed remnants within the slab, and damage to comics submitted. The list could continue, but space here is limited.
Thank you for sharing and adding more evidence to the problems
you typed like 30 words in a literally limitless text prompt and pretended you were out of space to make your list of grievances seem longer than it is. you had a lot more room there chief---this is one of the shorter comments on this video. the problems people experience are real. the extent to which the problems exist is not known, and people like you (and the dude in the video) are apparently invested in people believing the problems are widespread. you are irrational or emotional at best, and cynical and self-interested at worst. collectors talking their book pretending they are on the moral high ground are not helpful.