😩😩 there was one, and some extra with the drifters story- but they just completely disappeared after all that. The prophesy dungeon was the last time we really interacted with them I think.
When it comes to The Nine, why does nobody ever connect the fact that there were 9 crew members missing after the people who eventually became the Awoken went through the singularity? That’s not a coincidence, right?
@@imnotkirasora5288 I know a lot of players that dive deep into the lore have made the connection and talk about it, and while there is nothing cannon confirming it, I just feel like that’s way to big of a coincidence to not be connected. Even if those missing 9 are not THE Nine, it seems like they would have been used by The Nine for something. I dunno. I just feel like it’s something that may come into play that we should keep in the forefront of our thoughts regarding the Destiny universe. But who knows. I spend way too much time thinking about „what ifs“ when it comes to Destiny. Haha
Those Awoken didn’t become the Nine, though it’s important not to forget them. The Nine are sentient dark matter entities living outside of material reality. The nine awoken who disappeared are one of several groups of “nine” individuals associated with the Nine themselves. For example, nine ghosts that “exited the solar system and contemplated the heliopause,” and encountered the Nine, and were interrogated by Orin. There were also “Deep Orbit Minds,” who it was confirmed Orin spoke with at one point. If you look at the grimoire card “Ghost Fragment: Legends 2,” you’ll see several of these, including the Awoken, as well as “ancient leviathan intelligences” from “the hydrocarbon pits of Titan (we happen to be encountering a Leviathan intelligence next season on Titan.) we don’t know exactly how these beings are related to the Nine but maybe it will be answered soon.
My dream for the IX is for them to reveal the Speakers confession to one of our allies or enemies, and we delve into mysteries of the Light the Speaker kept hidden, just so that his death in the Red War can be addressed somehow in-game cause it was a complete narrative waste beside the knowledge the player on the other side got.
not to mention we got a HUGE reveal in the lore about his mask--it's a reciever that let him commune with the traveler. he COULD talk to the traveler but he let himself be remembered as a fraud to keep the secret, and then the consul smashed the mask. it's in zavala's office with gold bits holding it together now but it probably doesn't work
Problem is that the traveler never really spoke to the speaker in any meaningful way, he saw the good things that could be done if people believed that he did and kept his position kowing that it's a farce. The traveler speaking to anyone has been us, rhulk and I think ikora to lead her towards io
@Asa Flowers Let’s also not forget the Speaker isn’t a Lightbearer like the guardians so he isn’t immortal. The Speaker is more than a person, it’s a title. There have been multiple Speakers. The Traveler at any point could have talked to the original Speaker or any of the other. I believe the Traveler did speak but not to the Speaker we met in Destiny 1.
In terms of how shaken the vanguard is and the city from the DLC and the Season, one Wild Card group I can imagine taking some shape could be that banished 4th faction. With the Traveler in a basic suspended state and everyone recovering from the ShadowLegion, I could imagine them just popping up to take advantage of the situation.
I’d like to see a season, either before or after Final Shape, in which Neoumuna, the Vanguard, and other faction representatives, work together to restructure the City’s government. Neomuna would still have records of how things were done in the Golden Age, and we still need a civilian government amongst the Last City’s council. Mara, Petra, Caital, Saladin, Mithraks, Eido, Saint, Zavala, Ikora, and Crow are a no brainer. Nimbus or Quinn could represent Neomuna among the Coalition’s council. While a select few could handle the City’s needs, and collaborate with the Coalition leadership after the Witness is dead and we can rebuild.
I can see the Nine and the Vex being key figures after the light and dark saga. Not counting on Bungie wrapping up Fanatic's story in time, unless they dedicate a season (or part of one) to Crow
I’d like Bungie to explore the story of the colony of pacifist Guardians after Final Shape. With the Witness and its forces dead or imprisoned, the peaceful Guardians that once abandoned Sol could return to set up permanent roots in a more peaceful system. Also, notice how the old Tower has been steadily rebuilt though out the years? It’d be a wonderful hub for the Coalition leaders: Mara, Caital, Mithrax, Zavala, Ikora, and others, to meet in person for meeting to discuss the state of Sol and any future conflicts or issues post Final Shape. I know we have the HELM, but it feels more like a mobile hub to me, for exploring beyond Sol and keeping the Coalition informed on operations whenever needed.
Man, the mechanism of Savathûn's death is still so wild to me. Savathûn is a true wildcard in my opinion. Simply for the fact she would never really side with the Guardians, unless it served her own purpose. Fikrul could be swayed, but it'd be a truly difficult undertaking. Fikrul is interesting simply because of the influence of Wish Magic. It subverts all kinds of logic, allowed Riven some kind of will of her own. I wouldn't go so far as to state its paracausal in nature, but at least paracausal adjacent. Need more Fikrul Lore, does the Wish Magic allow the same degree of free will. Oryx's taking of Riven should have held some kind of grip in theory, but The Witness I'd say is one step beyond. If it were Oryx's force of will, perhaps, The Witness though...ehhh I dunno. Biggest wildcard? The Vex. They're a neutral force using any means towards furthering their goal, as indescribable as that purpose may be. Would they ever work with the Guardians? Absolutely not. (Outside a few outliers, thanks to Asher's influence) Elephant in the room, the Sol Divisive. Vex devoted to The Darkness. More an outlier than the Vex as a whole. Vex utilised by The Witness to further their own ends. Additionally, if you mean to tell me that in their infinite possibilities, there isn't a single timeline, with a sect of fanatical Vex devoted to The Light, I'd be surprised. (Also, if Vance strides out of The Infinite Forest with a Vexy Cult of Osiris Light worshippers, I'll cry)
I feel like the psion conclave is an interesting wildcard, seeing as the work for the liberation of the Psion race, I could see them opposing the witness and the shadow legion
Otzot is also a wildcard in the Psion race, though her ideals are in opposition to the conclave. But she’s kind of an obvious narrative figure given since vanilla D2 we’ve gotten lore on psions, the OXA machine, and even had a Nightmare named after her - but no Otzot herself.
That would be a very interesting thing to happen. The psions are very powerful psychic creatures who’s power could very well help us against a being like the witness being that it’s a being based in darkness 😊
I think that one of the biggest wildcards that exist doesnt really get talked about most likely because it is a ancient source we get to know them from. The books of sorrow speak of the mother Taox that had betrayed the then Krill and teamed up with multiple races the Traveller had blessed as she was fleeing from the Hive that had sworn to one day destroy her. We never got a clear ending on her story so i wonder if she is still somewhere out there admittedly the Krill didnt have long lives but the books mention the Mother spawn living longer that would still have to put the average age of Krill that i believe was 7 to a ridiculous length as she would have to be older than the 3 sisters of the osmium court without ever taking in Hive larva. I understand that Taox is probably the biggest longshot ever but i would love to someday see a conclusion to her story.
Did you hear about the recent lore with the OXA/OXTA machine? It’s implied that it was actually made in some way from Taox’s memories or IS Taox. So if there’s future development with OXA then Taox will probably be involved too.
If Savathun were to come back and try to break her sister’s loyalty to the witness, it would be interesting to see Xivu not believe her due to the fact Savathun is known as the god of deception except for this one time she’s being genuine.
Even if Xivu believed Savathun she's far too gone and consumed by her desires, Xivu really only desires war and death, not the betterment of her species or anything she would probably not care about being lied to about the God wave because in the end it made her an avatar of war.
@@riskrunner4532well savathun was also seen to be too far gone not too long ago it’s very possible for her to switch sides but very unlikely. War is what xivu lives for and gains her strength off of without it she would be consumed by her worm
@adamboy05 no it is not, Xivu Arath is literally the least likely to join our side she's a war hungry crazy person who has convinced themselves that they're wars incarnation no she won't. And yes past Savathun lore made her seem far gone too but I'd argue Xivu's current lore she's getting blows Savathuns past lore out of the water of how gone she is, with things like her killing for pleasure and enjoyment not just for survival like the other 2. But let's also bring up a game play perspective, it's very clear that each "ally" to the light has a dark mirror, Mithrax Eramis Caiatl Calus Savathun Xivu Arath, the only one most likely to betray the witness is Eramis and I doubt bungie would have another dark mirror betray the witness especially one who's seemingly very loyal. I get you say it's unlikely, but its possible, I actually think it's not possible and the fact other people (not saying you) think it don't pay attention
I’d love an update on the 9. They’ve been looking heavily at Mara Sov when we last heard of them. Mara clearly has a huge role to play in the endgame. She’s been defying odds and doing things most people wouldn’t expect of her. Plus she is very conservative on showing her cards. Mara knows a LOT more than what’s shown.
Last time she spoke with the Nine’s Emissary she mentioned something about “an asset”, and moving it near Neptune’s orbit. Or something like that, can’t remember the details. Some sort of asset of Mara’s was positioned somewhere either far out in Sol’s outer borders, or behind the heliopause. Which means beyond our solar system. Something tells me the Awoken Queen has several trump cards hidden to overcome our enemies if things get really bad. We know she’s keeping a wish Dragon egg in the Dreaming City.
@@garrettviewegh677 my thoughts exactly…. But an even bigger question for me is, if the witness and Mara spoke and she dealt fear, why didn’t the witness try to discard her??? 🤔🤔 i mean look at how much damage uldren did, imagine if Mara was our enemy :0 even Zavala and Ilona mentioned a few seasons back during witch queen that Mara is her own and we should do well to remain in her good graces…. Plus Mara said she’s helping us only because it suites the future for her people. This was back in Destiny 1…. Ima need to research awoken lore again. I believe the answer lies there…. Cuz rn it’s a wild goose chase
My biggest fear is that they rush this. Im sure we will get some answers but we need it to be fleshed out almost like final shape has to be the size of 2 expansions and multiple raid-like experiences.
All I’ve wanted for the story after Witch Queen is a clutch alliance with the Lucent Hive and Savathun at the very end. The last alliance with a prior enemy against the Witness
I can see her coming back at the end of Season 22, and helping us in the season before The Final Shape. Kinda how Season of the Seraph set up Lightfall
Assuming we do go to all of the vaulted destinations with the rest of the seasons this year, I would expect her to come back during an Io themed season due to her presence there prior to its vaulting.
Im gonna be honest, learning about Savathun's supposed attempt to escape the video game and into our reality and live on as a memetic entity of sorts that exists as long as people believe she does has got to be one of the coolest lore things from Destiny ever
I totally think Savathun will be on our side because there's this running thing with allies having a dark mirror, and Savathuns mirror is obviously Xivu Arath, who is obviously not gonna be our ally and is allied with the witness Caiatl had Calus as a dark mirror Mithrax has Eramis as a dark mirror, you get it.
Above what you mentioned. There is lore with the collectors edition that hint that the Cloudstriders could lead to the resurrection of the Witch Queen. As well as that, if you believe the Books of Sorrow, she can be resurrected by a trick by her name
I get what u are saying but I always had problems understanding that . As we know and xivu herself said in the dungeon she was resurrected by oryx after he killed her ( true death) . Oryx did then the same with savathun. But how would u do with oryx ? He’ s represented by ambition which differently from deception and war can be shown by a single individual
Although it feels unimportant to and disconnected from the current the current story threads, I'd love to see something with the Aphelion. Just the idea of something that strong which is that unknown would be something I'd LOVE to know more about. Maybe in a post-Final Shape DLC? Idk.
I have been waiting since season of the chosen for The Fanatic and I would be happy to see him again ingame, opposing the Witness, even if not trying to help us
We’re definitely getting Savathun before final shape. Right now we can’t go into the portal in the traveler. Obviously something has to change for us to go in. My guess is savathun will be the one who shows us
Personally I actually think Fikrul, the Fanatic is a 1# Fan of the Witness, and has been in communion with the Witness for a long time. My evidence for this is as follows: What Fikrul calls Guardians *"Dead Things"* was not a term first sad by him, but rather, a term said by the Darkness way back in Destiny 1 Grimoire Cards about the *Black Garden.* There was a Warlock who was known as a "Thatanonaut" a Guardian who committs ritual suicide to gain knowledge and visions post-death before being revived. During one of these rituals, a Warlock I cant remember the name of encountered a vision of the Black Garden, they found a flower in the shape of a ghost and reached down to pluck it, but it pricked them with a wound on their hand. It spoke the following, *"You are a Dead Thing, made by a Dead power, in the Shape of the Dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of Life."* Now, I really think this was indeed the Witness speaking to a Guardian through a Ghost. The Witness is well-known to possess Ghosts and speak through them. So what if, every time that Fikrul dies, he also sees himself in the Black Garden, and sees the Witness calling Guardians "Dead Things" and this is what motivates him to crusade against Guardians? Further evidence: Giant Scorn bosses titled *"The Fanatics Chosen"* lead Purple-Colored Scorn Legions into Rhulks Pyramid on a Weekly basis, and yes, the Fanatic's Chosen are colored Purple. A deafult, Yellow-colored Scorn Boss appears in the Moon Heist, with the original Yellow/Rust Scorn colors, and Mara Sov says its directly controlled by the Witness, this proves that a Scorns Armor color, Purple or Yellow, does NOT indocate Factions. What it does reprisent, we dont know. So yeah thats why I think Fikrul has been brainwashed by the Witness for a long time and might even be a Disciple Candidate :p
@@davidspearim5552 Yeah, i already knew that, and it doesnt matter. Uldren was basically Fikruls only remaining living 'friend' and with him dead and now on the side of the Guardians, beings he hates as "dead things" and "murderers" it would be very easy for him to pledge to the Witness to gain revenge.
Savathûn has had plenty of time to internalize the deception of the Witness and Rhulk with Immaru. I do not recall the precise name of the lorebook but the one that contains Fynch's story, we know that guardians can communicate with their ghost while the guardian is down. Fynch's knight guardian is not too happy about staying dead and certainly let's Fynch know that. If Savathûn is allowed to be resurrected, it'll be because she wants to make an arrangement with the Vanguard securing this possibility.
Honestly the witness gives me "I want to destroy everything" vibes and I think people only side with him because they didn't have a better option at the time like savathun or were manipulated like nezor. Fanatic I think crow gets to join us and savathun I think was always on team traveler and just learns to work with us. What intrigues me is the 9, we still don't I think even know what they are. Were they created from the void naturally or was this something created by paracaual means like the clash of light and dark that created awoken. Why would the void have weapons to give us via xur. Why would half them be on our side and half them not, wont the destruction of the universe kill them too or do they think the witness can give them power to manifest in the physical. What if the witness is a 9 that learned to manifest and is hunting the traveler to take paracasual power to manifest the others. What if we are in a big vex like simulation and the 9 are the people outside running it taking bets on if the light or dark wins. Like wtf is even the 9. It'll also be interesting to see how the vex play out. I assumed they would be the next big bad after the witness because they finally learn the equations of light and dark from our final battle. So they become the new big bad with light, dark and time powers but maybe not with Asher messing with them. Maybe they get a borg / unimatrix zero type thing and get there individuality back to join us in the final battle like all the destiny avengers coming together.
I know that this may never happen but what if we somehow, someway make the Traveler better again and it sends a ghost to Oryx's heart in the Touch of Malice and resurrects him and Savathun tells him of what The Witness did so many years ago. Do you think he'd ally with us at least temporarily?? One could dream
Do we need Savathun to tell Oryx? If he does get resurrected he wouldn't have any memories. But I guess lying to him would have heavy consequences when he finds the truth or if Savathun gets to him
@starlightthewolf6612 well if the Traveler were resurrect Oryx, he'd have no memories like Savathun previously. An she would have to give him his memories somehow. But if he would to get resurrected I'd think instead of the power to Take (since he probably lost it maybe when he died) but he also would probably get the power to give free will. Tbh this all a dream as this could never really happen in the game
the idea of Destiny being a very literal video-game has always interested me. ive always felt that the witness is aware of the fact that there is a real-life player behind The Guardian, and the Ahamkhara all seem to believe they are within a game. way back in the Halo days, cortana said chief had something no other spartan had: "luck". that "luck" was the player on the sticks. the game of flowers is also, interestingly, said to be played on an infinite 2-dimensional grid; in contrast to a board game like chess that has a third dimension and where we can physically lift up and move the pieces. a 2-dimensional grid can be seen as a computer monitor. next, consider for a moment the people of neomuna and bizarre focus on the cloudark in LF's campaign. the people of neomuna can walk around city of neomuna from within the cloudark - they can even visit the cloudark computer in real life from their virtual glowing yellow orb, but they cant physically interact with it in this state. however, a citizen of neomuna can then exit the cloudark and go to the exact same place their virtual orb was - now able to physically touch and damage the cloudark computer. when i hear "mind and memory of our universe", i think "CPU and RAM". it makes me think that the veil is exactly like the cloudark, a simulation engine. ive always felt the witness *knows* that there is a player behind The Guardian, and wants the same level of power that the player has over the destiny universe. as players, we possess the capability to do the one thing the witness is incapable of: turning the game off. the only problem i have with this theory is its incredibly difficult to pull off logistically. how are you gonna portray a video game character breaking the fourth wall without it really happening
I think Savathun is definitely going to be a some what “enemy of my enemy” figure. After all she has for told certain events so far, the ability to move worlds and an enemy of the witness is on Titan. She very well could have planned everything out including dying to us in the final battle (although not in the way she thought/planned). If there is one thing though I do hope that the Nine get some form of content whether that be a return to the reckoning for a Gambit rework or a season dedicated to their standing in the war of life.
Personally I hope the Vex get a bigger role in the story soon, they're mostly just a neutral force aside from the Witness-worshipping Sol Divisive, but with Asher Mir in the Vex Network and his ability to seemingly simulate the paracausal to a degree, it makes me think there's a possibility of a group of Vex that could be convinced to worship the Traveler by Asher, thus adding a new allied force to our ranks
Since we know that Rhulk was experimenting with the Scorn, yet Fikrul remains hidden. I actually can't help but wonder if Fikrul is currently pondering if he should follow the darkness or Crow, the one he sees as his father, I mean, he was extremely loyal to Uldren.
I think that with everything Asher Mir is doing, we should explore the possibility of Vex becoming our allies. We know that he's helping them simulate the paracausal, something Vex are not able to do because of how unpredictable it is. We also know the nature of Vex is to survive at all costs and destroy any and everything that endangers their existance
I wouldn't bet on that. if anything, ashir just gave the vex the ability to simulate the light and dark, which them not being able to simulate was the only reason they haven't won the flower game yet
When we think about the Nine, something I think is important to consider is that the DLC after Final Shape will be our Ninth one. Not a guarantee, but it'd be a huge missed opportunity not to go for that. ( CoO, Warmind, Forsaken, SK, BL, WQ, LF, Final Shape, _Ninth DLC_ )
This has probably been answered in parts of the lore before, and also most likely doesn't have much inpact on the story NOW, but I've never figured out or thought about it since I've listened to the Books of Sorrow read on the channel. What happened to and where is Taox? Does it ever say in the lore what her fate was, or is she still just... out there, somewhere in the galaxy at large?
And even then, the Vex factional as well. The thing that keeps from from being a wild card as far as I'm concerned is that their goals as a civilization are by nature inimical to ours. Vex gonna Vex. Vex always gonna Vex.
Quick note, the scorn aren't fully under the witness's control. As of Season 15 astral alignments on the tangled shore week, the scorn were developing their own culture around fights and fighting pits. Just wanted to point that out!
random thoughts, but if we get one planet back per season until the final shape, i think mercury and the nine would be a very good tie together. its like, trials of osiris/mercury and trials of the nine/eternity aesthetics in the same season!
I’ve heard some voice lines from Xur in the treasury. I cannot remember them all but definitely worth the hear. I could be off, but some of the things I heard him say, one example is “Are you willing to fight a planet” and so on.
I just want to see fikrul again in game, he's been forgotten about since forsaken. Though i suppose the reason he hasnt been used since then is because Matthew Mercer is an expensive VA.
Nothing like a good existential crisis to end your video. Considering Nezarec's whole thing was continued existence through in- world mind worms, Savathun doing that to us as the player is just slightly terrifying. Thanks!
Great video byf. On this Tuesday morning as I sip my coffee. My heads spinning with all the ideas, enemies, friends will encounter in destiny's future . It's about time the 9 stop playing around and get in the mix already
Some of the other wild card factions I'd consider would be the Psion Conclave, who we last saw aligned with Darkness in Vox Obscura but who might be looking to go their own way after the Shadow Legion became a thing and a god from their ancient past (hi Nezarec) returned; at the very least, we know enough about the Psions to say they likely don't want the end of all life everywhere. We also have our old factions still somewhere in the system, with Dead Orbit and New Monarchy still holding on to a fleet after the Future War Cult's shenanigans in Season of the Splicer. Lastly we have the Vex, who are all over the place. Asher might be in the process of splintering or undermining the collective, the Sol Divisive are in a weird spot after getting effectively backstabbed by the Witness in the Deterministic Chaos quest in the Black Garden to cover up the connection between the Black Heart and the Veil, and the rest of the network is likely still trying to figure out how to survive with everything that's happening.
Fikrul as a wildcard is fascinating - I can only imagine what he's been up to since the Hollowed Lair strike got DCV'd...permadeath isn't likely a thing with Riven's eternal wish-magic constantly bringing him back to life, but since he and The Guardian stopped beating the crap out of each other in that strike every week or so he's had to have been doing something. Has he set aside his thirst for revenge on the Vanguard to look for ways to bring the Scorn out from under the shadow of the Witness? Has he been trying to personally convert more Eliksni into new Scorn, only to fail and see them run off to join the Witness' forces? Is he sitting on a couch in the Empty Tank, crying into a mug of whatever booze is left behind and listening to the same four songs on repeat while lamenting how everything in his life has been taken away from him? I doubt Fikrul would get over his hatred of The Guardian but I do think he'd be a begrudging seasonal ally, long enough to break the Witness' control over the Scorn so they ultimately could go their own way (setting up Fikrul and the Scorn as a future enemy in Destiny 3 or whatever post-Saga of Light and Darkness expansions are released for Destiny 2). That honestly might work best as the final season of The Final Shape, where we enlist the aid of the last and least-likely group in the Solar System to finally turn the tide against the Witness and the Shadow Legion. This of course assumes that Savathûn and the Lucent Hive can negate or temporarily detain Xivu Arath's main Hive forces and that we gain some measure of power over the Taken as part of the final Darkness subclass and opening campaign for The Final Shape. I'm trying to figure out what the last seven seasons will focus on, after all: -Season of the Deep - Titan returns with an ever-fiesty Deputy Commander Sloane having learned some interesting things about the Long Boy in the Soup, and what that creature can do to help us either strike back against the Witness in the future or learn about the triangle portal. The Hive are the featured enemy of the season. -Season 22 - Eramis continues to waffle about her allegiance to the Witness. Perhaps whatever deputies are left running the show ramp up conversion of House Salvation members into being Scorn and Wrathborn, or there is some calamity threatening Eido that causes Eramis to go guns-hot to come to the rescue. Eliksni may be the featured enemy for the last time in this season. I also really wonder if this is where Zavala's story will end, depending on how far ahead Lance's voice recordings go...if my guess about this season is right, it could be a great moment for Zavala to risk and ultimately lose his life trying to save Eido and Eramis - it would cement for Eramis that her former allies are truly her enemies and that her former enemies are worthy of being new allies. -Season 23 - whether Io returns or not, Asher definitely returns with some Vex-themed shenanigans in mind. Perhaps he has a way to adjust Vex survival calculations to include cooperation with Alliance forces, or at least a cessation of hostilities that could provide relief for Neomuna. Vex would obviously be the featured enemy, and the final campaign mission could involve wiping out a particular Mind that favors the Witness. -Season 24, The Final Shape - perhaps we finally figure out how to breach the triangle portal thanks to Asher's Vex-themed assistance. Resonance, a Guardian-compatible method of Taking (or at least Un-Taking) is learned in the process, with the Taken being the most appropriate featured enemy. Unless they come back to augment the Shadow Legion in the final season of the Saga, this may be the last time we see them in quantity. -Season 25 - whatever secrets we learned from the Long Boy are finally coming to fruition...but it requires reviving Savathûn and finally gaining the favor of The IX to make it happen. Immaru is understandably hesitant and thinks he's figured out a way to resurrect Savathûn without cooperating with the Vanguard. Lucent Hive forces are the featured enemy. -Season 26 - with a freshly-reborn Savathûn looking to make the Witness pay and The IX wholly on our side, we have our final major tilt with Xivu Arath's Hive. Savathûn ultimately convinces Xivu Arath that the Witness has used the Hive from day one and to turn her attention elsewhere, thus depriving the Witness of a key ally right before the final showdown. The Hive is obviously the featured enemy, and for the last time before post-Saga content is released. -Season 27, the end of the SoLaD - we spend much of the season having one final go-round with Fikrul, who after nearly two years of searching for a way to break the Witness' control over his children finally figures it out. Much to his horror, only paracausal beings with mastery over both Light and Dark can truly help him, leading him to (very) begrudgingly reach out to Queen Mara and The Guardian for assistance. With the Scorn finally freed and The Guardian having amassed enough power to alter reality like only the Witness and Traveler ever have before, Alliance forces have the combined strength to wipe out the Witness and the Shadow Legion. The Final Shape is shown to have sort of been in front of our faces all along...like with the Awoken, a balance of Light and Dark together in harmony rather than in opposition is the way forward. Perhaps the Traveler and Witness are merged together, perhaps they're time-traveled back before the beginning of time (or after the end of it), perhaps they do what Savathûn only dreamed of and ascended to a wholly different plane of existence. -Season 28??? - Fikrul pulls a sneaky on us and sees a Vanguard exhausted after an epic fight with the Witness as ripe for revenge. The Scorn invade somewhere important (maybe Io finally?) and we need to find a way to break the wish-magic and end him for good. This is even more wild speculation than my ideas for the previous seasons, as there is nothing solid on even initial development for Destiny 3 and the latest rampant rumormongering has D3 being a launch title for the next generation of consoles (possibly as a PS6 exclusive, if Sony doesn't like money all that much). There are still loose ends dangling out there, not just with Fikrul either: maybe Drifter and Spider stop being so helpful, maybe Eliksni who don't feel like joining House Light but feel abandoned by House Salvation reform House Devils, maybe Xivu Arath is the one to pull a sneaky on us, maybe Savathûn can't help but fight us again, maybe Queen Mara sacrifices herself in the final battle against the Witness and there's a power vacuum in the Reef, maybe Calus raided an Athaeneum World for some alternative resurrection tech, maybe the Vex calculate that there's no time like the present to cause trouble...or maybe we find out that the Witness was dealing with something even worse on the other side of the galaxy and we've got some entirely new foe to deal with for a year or three until D3 actually does get released.
Fikrul MUST still have a part to play. There were even some voice lines referencing wondering where he was at after Witch Queen came out. I would not be surprised to see him enter the war on our side, or at least, fighting against the Witness. He views the Scorn as his 'family' and having the Witness essentially steal them out from under him can't be sitting well.
Personally (without watching the vid yet) I think Savathun is going to join us to fight the witness fully, with us making a deal with her and immaru, and then Fikrul is going to join us just to fight the witness since it’s taking the freedom of his Children, perhaps with Crow (who has Uldren’s memories mind you) convincing him to work with us. I think Bungie’s gonna save the Nine for post-Final shape, however
I can imagine a plot where Fikrul loses more and more Scorn to the Witness and asks for help. Or he himself is partially controlled by the Witness and by helping him escape those shackles, he helps us get rid of the Witness.
a lot of people speculate the vex will be the focus of the Final Shape due to the links between the Black Heart + The Veil, and also being that every other DLC has focused on the Other main factions (except Curse of Osiris), and the Vex is usually sprinkled in as a side note to most locations due to their general presence
The shoe can be placed on the other foot too. There are folks who could betray us at the last that would be absolutely devastating. The exiled factions for instance could be a wildcard. I know Ikora and the Hidden are supposed to be in contact with Dead Orbit but losing that fleet would be a massive blow to Earth's forces.
Something that seems to have been forgotten is that the Awoken's allegiance is a fluid thing. Mara Sov has constantly reminded us that she and by extension the entire awoken people are a cosmic balancing of the scales, born of both light and dark, they keep that delicate balance of the universe by switching allegiances as needed to prevent either side from becoming too dominant. The awoken are allied with the light for now because the darkness is so overwhelming. Should we manage to shift the tides too much in our favor by removing too many of the witness's core allies and minions, there shouldn't be any doubt that the awoken would follow their queen and turn against us to prevent us from destroying the darkness.
OMG i just came to the realisation that were getting Titan back next season then we will be either getting Mercury or Io and the same for the last season before the final shape. Think about 3 planets went now 3 seasons 3 planets.
What if the fanatic is chained up with egregor plugged into his head and is being used as an unwilling endless fountain of dark eather. Imagine crow breaking him out of that
An interesting tidbit from the Season of the Drifter: 'The Witch' entry in the 'Dust' lore book talks about the two factions within the Nine, the five that observe the Light and the four that are trying to escape the Dark: _"The other faction walks a different path. A path of folds and needles slipped through spacetime itself, existential syringes yielding new spaces, to be _*_remade_*_ as the Nine desire. They have tried to gather enough dark dust in one place to form a black hole, and found it difficult: when the dark mass collapses in gravity's fist, the dust passes through itself and scatters._ _But difficult is not impossible. And there is far, far more dark matter in the universe than bright. They will find a way to _*_make new worlds_*_ of it. They will end their _*_dependence on life_*_ and on the Light of Guardians, which the falling veil will soon snuff out forever..."_ This information could be a possible hint to the origins of the Witness, a being of dark matter that weilds the Dark to reform the universe into it's idea of the Final Shape: A universe where only the Nine exist to consume on primordial Dark Matter. Which makes some sense given the many references to 'drinking the light' on the VotD prophecy wall. It's honestly the only theory I can think about at the moment.
Somewhat forgot the part where in Witch Queen, where after the death of Rhulk, apparently the Fanatic's Scorn try to take over the Rhulk's Pyramid lead by "Fanatics Chosen" in the pinnacle mission. Though who knows what's "canonically" happened offscreen since.
I honestly think another possible wildcard is in fact Clovis Bray himself, granted we kicked him out of Rasputin…but Even Clovis must have ran the simulation or could have done something to prevent his demise. Having a backup body to store his mind into? An exo warframe? Or maybe even Our beloved Banshee?
(speculation and theory) some groups that might show up again are the old city factions and the concordat. If that old theory of the concordat scooping up the factions after season of the splicer is true or bungie takes their story a similar way, than we might end up with the dead orbit fleet back in play with the others possibly mixed in either with or against us. If the concordat scooped them up, than they might become a major threat to us as they know the city well and can easily outnumber any of our fleets(from what I remember) assuming it tries to return( i remember hearing something about that but i need to read up on them again so might be wrong there). If they join us in some way, bungie could likely do something with that as its a massive fleet of ships meant to tough out the universe and they have been building up assets and studying the system of sol for roughly 2 years now(dead orbit specifically). Its likely that they have formed both positive and negative connections with all or some of the factions in the system and that could be tied in with the current story(all factions). Plus some of that dead orbit research could lead to us following the witness as they were trying to find and study the distributary and that might lead to something useful (pure speculation on my part and likely wrong but interesting to think of if somehow true). And the other factions(not dead orbit) might still have some tricks up their sleeves somewhere in the system that bungie could put in play.
In terms of Savathun, I think it is worth noting that she was only a God of Deception due to her worm, and the meddling of Rhulk and The Witness. The Hive's hosting of the Worms came with the price of never straying from their nature, Savathun's being that of deception. If she ever did, her Worm would devour her from the inside out. We extracted and contained her Worm. She then can return and for the first time, choose whether to be deceptive or not. I actually believe that her original death, which led to the Traveler choosing her, was Savathun the direct result of her having us extract her worm in the season previous to Witch Queen. The worm sustained her. With it removed, she knew she would die.
Ngl, I'd absolutely love to see the Shadows of Yor make a return, possibly deal with the Praxic Order and the Hidden as well. With us dealing more with Darkness it seems they could be more relevant more now than ever, would even like to see in game characters for Shin and Teben, maybe like the vendors for the season
Riven. Something we know nothing about since last wish. The last words of the techions were "return to us for plans to come". What is meant by that, and even in death, does she have bigger plans?
I think the drifter and all his dark motes he’s been collecting while probably isn’t so much a wildcard is something that surfaces from the back of the mind in uncertain points in the lore. I can’t remember if it was you or myelin that talked about the key in RoN pointing at the traveler may be a device that requires light and dark to activate and gain us entry into the traveler. I wonder if the dark motes is our fuel supply for the darkness energy. Maybe we have to collect all the jarred up light the lucent hive are sitting on to pair with it.
I think Bungie might take a path where we explore what the nine is in the future, if I remember correctly the nine did play a tiny but important part in the red war that let the Cabal go undetected. I forgot exactly how. But if they do have an interest in meddling in the material realm then I think we could definitely explore what it is.
I doubt it would happen, but I think the return of the factions as a third party wild card, if not as a kind of anti-hero group, would be interesting. They we allowed to just up and leave after season of the splicer, so there's at least a small chance they're still floating around out there somewhere in the system. Plus I really enjoyed the faction system back in D1 and don't want to give up on the idea of them quite yet
Savathun and the Nine could even share a common thread, with "Lucky" Lavinia having learned the "secrets of the Nine" just before being abducted by the Witch Queen. Whatever knowledge the Nine have, it's fair to assume that Savathun shares, at least partly. As for the Scorn, the one thing that I wish people talked about more is their evolution as a species. When we first met them, they were little more than mindless, blabbering thralls. But as they've progressed, we've seen them evolve into a society of their own. In the Shattered Realms of Season of the Lost, we saw clear evidence of their evolutions in science, engineering, and culture. They're growing not only as a species, but as a culture, and I think Fikrul would gladly encourage this, whereas the Witness clearly would stamp all individuality out. But if the Scorn are allowed to continue to evolve, we may have to have a similar reckoning with them as we did with house Light.
I doubt Fikrul would have any major impact on the story moving forward- at least nothing beyond him being used as a sort of stepping stone for Crow towards becoming the next Hunter Vanguard. If the Drifter is apart of the Season of the Deep story, then the Nine will likely be as well. So I guess on that note, we can expect some interesting things to happen soon. Savathun, enemy of my enemy. She'll probably whip up a neat trick for the Witness soon as we revive her, without realizing the trick was actually for us before it's too late. Then the Final Shape begins.
I absolutely need dialogue to happen between Fikrul, Eido, Mithrax and Eramis holy shit, we need a season where all Eliksni band together, no matter if they're alive or Scorn.
The Nine are definitely gonna be explored in Destiny's next saga, I don't see them having a big impact rn after being in the background/ignored for years.
If we at some point go to the citys vaults to retrieve Savathuns Body It'd be pretty fucked if we find her pinned to the wall like people pin Butterflys to pin boards
I feel like Clovis Bray (as in the AI on Europa) is a wildcard as well. I don't see him siding with the Witness. I feel like we haven't seen the last of him yet. His character reminds me a lot of Durandal from Marathon. He seems, much like Savathun, to be only out for himself. If there's some kind of Golden Age tech out there that he can utilise in a bid for acquiring more power, I can see him doing so without hesitation.
The factions who fled after Lakshmi-2’s failed coup are certainly a wild card. Though, If they’re truly following dead orbits plan, they probably aren’t coming back.
I'm praying for Fikrul to get at least some attention, dude's been completely absent from the story since Forsaken despite being John Scorn.
The most Scorn ever.
who tf is john scorn
@@SheLikesLoons fikrul aka John scorn the most scorn ever
He isn't a scorn, he's THE scorn
He gets mentioned in season of the haunted. Crowldren mentions wanting to help him.
I would love a season focusing on the nine!
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😩😩 there was one, and some extra with the drifters story- but they just completely disappeared after all that. The prophesy dungeon was the last time we really interacted with them I think.
When it comes to The Nine, why does nobody ever connect the fact that there were 9 crew members missing after the people who eventually became the Awoken went through the singularity? That’s not a coincidence, right?
No it's not~ we don't have direct confirmation but multiple theories have arisen regarding the 9 missing from that Yang being The Nine
@@imnotkirasora5288 I know a lot of players that dive deep into the lore have made the connection and talk about it, and while there is nothing cannon confirming it, I just feel like that’s way to big of a coincidence to not be connected. Even if those missing 9 are not THE Nine, it seems like they would have been used by The Nine for something. I dunno. I just feel like it’s something that may come into play that we should keep in the forefront of our thoughts regarding the Destiny universe. But who knows. I spend way too much time thinking about „what ifs“ when it comes to Destiny. Haha
Some say the Nine are Manifestations of the Planets of our System
crew members... among us????
Those Awoken didn’t become the Nine, though it’s important not to forget them. The Nine are sentient dark matter entities living outside of material reality. The nine awoken who disappeared are one of several groups of “nine” individuals associated with the Nine themselves. For example, nine ghosts that “exited the solar system and contemplated the heliopause,” and encountered the Nine, and were interrogated by Orin. There were also “Deep Orbit Minds,” who it was confirmed Orin spoke with at one point.
If you look at the grimoire card “Ghost Fragment: Legends 2,” you’ll see several of these, including the Awoken, as well as “ancient leviathan intelligences” from “the hydrocarbon pits of Titan (we happen to be encountering a Leviathan intelligence next season on Titan.) we don’t know exactly how these beings are related to the Nine but maybe it will be answered soon.
My dream for the IX is for them to reveal the Speakers confession to one of our allies or enemies, and we delve into mysteries of the Light the Speaker kept hidden, just so that his death in the Red War can be addressed somehow in-game cause it was a complete narrative waste beside the knowledge the player on the other side got.
not to mention we got a HUGE reveal in the lore about his mask--it's a reciever that let him commune with the traveler. he COULD talk to the traveler but he let himself be remembered as a fraud to keep the secret, and then the consul smashed the mask. it's in zavala's office with gold bits holding it together now but it probably doesn't work
Problem is that the traveler never really spoke to the speaker in any meaningful way, he saw the good things that could be done if people believed that he did and kept his position kowing that it's a farce. The traveler speaking to anyone has been us, rhulk and I think ikora to lead her towards io
@Asa Flowers Let’s also not forget the Speaker isn’t a Lightbearer like the guardians so he isn’t immortal. The Speaker is more than a person, it’s a title. There have been multiple Speakers. The Traveler at any point could have talked to the original Speaker or any of the other. I believe the Traveler did speak but not to the Speaker we met in Destiny 1.
Im pretty sure the traveler speaks through dreams. We saw the one in red war with the white bird.
Yeah I know, I know, I just want that addressed in-game despite how unlikely it is. It irks me to think about it lol
I’d like to see the Finatic guess star on Dares of Eternity with Starhorse, that would be a fun season
fuck the Finatic, but if Fikrul the Fanatic comes back that'd be dope asf
Makes sense since the fanatic just... doesn't die
That would be cool, but not for my clan leader Chibirobo, because I can only imagine his screams of fighting Scorn
@@m3tr0id86 do they not like fighting scorn or do they have PTSD from Forsaken.
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In terms of how shaken the vanguard is and the city from the DLC and the Season, one Wild Card group I can imagine taking some shape could be that banished 4th faction. With the Traveler in a basic suspended state and everyone recovering from the ShadowLegion, I could imagine them just popping up to take advantage of the situation.
I’d like to see a season, either before or after Final Shape, in which Neoumuna, the Vanguard, and other faction representatives, work together to restructure the City’s government. Neomuna would still have records of how things were done in the Golden Age, and we still need a civilian government amongst the Last City’s council. Mara, Petra, Caital, Saladin, Mithraks, Eido, Saint, Zavala, Ikora, and Crow are a no brainer. Nimbus or Quinn could represent Neomuna among the Coalition’s council. While a select few could handle the City’s needs, and collaborate with the Coalition leadership after the Witness is dead and we can rebuild.
I can see the Nine and the Vex being key figures after the light and dark saga. Not counting on Bungie wrapping up Fanatic's story in time, unless they dedicate a season (or part of one) to Crow
I’d like Bungie to explore the story of the colony of pacifist Guardians after Final Shape. With the Witness and its forces dead or imprisoned, the peaceful Guardians that once abandoned Sol could return to set up permanent roots in a more peaceful system. Also, notice how the old Tower has been steadily rebuilt though out the years? It’d be a wonderful hub for the Coalition leaders: Mara, Caital, Mithrax, Zavala, Ikora, and others, to meet in person for meeting to discuss the state of Sol and any future conflicts or issues post Final Shape. I know we have the HELM, but it feels more like a mobile hub to me, for exploring beyond Sol and keeping the Coalition informed on operations whenever needed.
Man, the mechanism of Savathûn's death is still so wild to me.
Savathûn is a true wildcard in my opinion. Simply for the fact she would never really side with the Guardians, unless it served her own purpose.
Fikrul could be swayed, but it'd be a truly difficult undertaking. Fikrul is interesting simply because of the influence of Wish Magic. It subverts all kinds of logic, allowed Riven some kind of will of her own. I wouldn't go so far as to state its paracausal in nature, but at least paracausal adjacent.
Need more Fikrul Lore, does the Wish Magic allow the same degree of free will. Oryx's taking of Riven should have held some kind of grip in theory, but The Witness I'd say is one step beyond. If it were Oryx's force of will, perhaps, The Witness though...ehhh I dunno.
Biggest wildcard? The Vex. They're a neutral force using any means towards furthering their goal, as indescribable as that purpose may be.
Would they ever work with the Guardians? Absolutely not. (Outside a few outliers, thanks to Asher's influence)
Elephant in the room, the Sol Divisive. Vex devoted to The Darkness. More an outlier than the Vex as a whole. Vex utilised by The Witness to further their own ends.
Additionally, if you mean to tell me that in their infinite possibilities, there isn't a single timeline, with a sect of fanatical Vex devoted to The Light, I'd be surprised.
(Also, if Vance strides out of The Infinite Forest with a Vexy Cult of Osiris Light worshippers, I'll cry)
I love seeing the frustration at the end after accidentally grabbing the Tangle instead of the arc charge. I've been there too lol
I feel like the psion conclave is an interesting wildcard, seeing as the work for the liberation of the Psion race, I could see them opposing the witness and the shadow legion
Otzot is also a wildcard in the Psion race, though her ideals are in opposition to the conclave. But she’s kind of an obvious narrative figure given since vanilla D2 we’ve gotten lore on psions, the OXA machine, and even had a Nightmare named after her - but no Otzot herself.
That would be a very interesting thing to happen. The psions are very powerful psychic creatures who’s power could very well help us against a being like the witness being that it’s a being based in darkness 😊
I think that one of the biggest wildcards that exist doesnt really get talked about most likely because it is a ancient source we get to know them from. The books of sorrow speak of the mother Taox that had betrayed the then Krill and teamed up with multiple races the Traveller had blessed as she was fleeing from the Hive that had sworn to one day destroy her. We never got a clear ending on her story so i wonder if she is still somewhere out there admittedly the Krill didnt have long lives but the books mention the Mother spawn living longer that would still have to put the average age of Krill that i believe was 7 to a ridiculous length as she would have to be older than the 3 sisters of the osmium court without ever taking in Hive larva. I understand that Taox is probably the biggest longshot ever but i would love to someday see a conclusion to her story.
Did you hear about the recent lore with the OXA/OXTA machine? It’s implied that it was actually made in some way from Taox’s memories or IS Taox. So if there’s future development with OXA then Taox will probably be involved too.
@@halberd-3291 I was not aware of this could you tell me where that lore is from i would love to read that.
@@GentleMops I'm pretty sure byf and myelin have a video on it
@@GentleMops The Lightfall collector’s edition lore books. I want to say it’s the Caiatl book.
@@GentleMops OXA is also mentioned in the Inverted Spire strike I believe, although there's not much context beyond it being heavily corrupted
If Savathun were to come back and try to break her sister’s loyalty to the witness, it would be interesting to see Xivu not believe her due to the fact Savathun is known as the god of deception except for this one time she’s being genuine.
Even if Xivu believed Savathun she's far too gone and consumed by her desires, Xivu really only desires war and death, not the betterment of her species or anything she would probably not care about being lied to about the God wave because in the end it made her an avatar of war.
@@riskrunner4532well savathun was also seen to be too far gone not too long ago it’s very possible for her to switch sides but very unlikely. War is what xivu lives for and gains her strength off of without it she would be consumed by her worm
@adamboy05 no it is not, Xivu Arath is literally the least likely to join our side she's a war hungry crazy person who has convinced themselves that they're wars incarnation no she won't.
And yes past Savathun lore made her seem far gone too but I'd argue Xivu's current lore she's getting blows Savathuns past lore out of the water of how gone she is, with things like her killing for pleasure and enjoyment not just for survival like the other 2. But let's also bring up a game play perspective, it's very clear that each "ally" to the light has a dark mirror, Mithrax Eramis Caiatl Calus Savathun Xivu Arath, the only one most likely to betray the witness is Eramis and I doubt bungie would have another dark mirror betray the witness especially one who's seemingly very loyal.
I get you say it's unlikely, but its possible, I actually think it's not possible and the fact other people (not saying you) think it don't pay attention
I’d love an update on the 9. They’ve been looking heavily at Mara Sov when we last heard of them. Mara clearly has a huge role to play in the endgame. She’s been defying odds and doing things most people wouldn’t expect of her. Plus she is very conservative on showing her cards. Mara knows a LOT more than what’s shown.
Last time she spoke with the Nine’s Emissary she mentioned something about “an asset”, and moving it near Neptune’s orbit. Or something like that, can’t remember the details. Some sort of asset of Mara’s was positioned somewhere either far out in Sol’s outer borders, or behind the heliopause. Which means beyond our solar system. Something tells me the Awoken Queen has several trump cards hidden to overcome our enemies if things get really bad. We know she’s keeping a wish Dragon egg in the Dreaming City.
@@garrettviewegh677 my thoughts exactly…. But an even bigger question for me is, if the witness and Mara spoke and she dealt fear, why didn’t the witness try to discard her??? 🤔🤔 i mean look at how much damage uldren did, imagine if Mara was our enemy :0 even Zavala and Ilona mentioned a few seasons back during witch queen that Mara is her own and we should do well to remain in her good graces…. Plus Mara said she’s helping us only because it suites the future for her people. This was back in Destiny 1…. Ima need to research awoken lore again. I believe the answer lies there…. Cuz rn it’s a wild goose chase
My biggest fear is that they rush this. Im sure we will get some answers but we need it to be fleshed out almost like final shape has to be the size of 2 expansions and multiple raid-like experiences.
Honestly I think Savathun is gonna come back next season. Shes gotta.
All I’ve wanted for the story after Witch Queen is a clutch alliance with the Lucent Hive and Savathun at the very end. The last alliance with a prior enemy against the Witness
I can see her coming back at the end of Season 22, and helping us in the season before The Final Shape. Kinda how Season of the Seraph set up Lightfall
Assuming we do go to all of the vaulted destinations with the rest of the seasons this year, I would expect her to come back during an Io themed season due to her presence there prior to its vaulting.
@@BoomerangofjusticeI feel like Fikrul, Savathun, and the Vex will be either temporary allies in a "Enemy of my Enemy" situation.
Final Shape has to be Xivu's year, so I guess she'll be there to better her sister again.
Im gonna be honest, learning about Savathun's supposed attempt to escape the video game and into our reality and live on as a memetic entity of sorts that exists as long as people believe she does has got to be one of the coolest lore things from Destiny ever
I just hope that doesn't become a main plotline. I fucking hat when stories kill themselves by getting meta
Savathûn has already accomplished her objective in that regard
@@dragonmangames2523 Savathun breaking out of her universe only to discover ours fucking sucks:
You do realize a good portion of humanity believe that Savarthun in a more human like from. For yeah rule 34 reasons.
@@eotwkdp weaklings, give her wide hips and change nothing else for the hottest savathussy
I totally think Savathun will be on our side because there's this running thing with allies having a dark mirror, and Savathuns mirror is obviously Xivu Arath, who is obviously not gonna be our ally and is allied with the witness
Caiatl had Calus as a dark mirror
Mithrax has Eramis as a dark mirror, you get it.
Huh. I’ve never noticed that before.
Savathun - Xivu Arath
Caiatl - Calus
Mithrax - Eramis
Traveller - Witness
Guardians - Disciples
Zavala - Valus Ta’aurc.
Above what you mentioned. There is lore with the collectors edition that hint that the Cloudstriders could lead to the resurrection of the Witch Queen. As well as that, if you believe the Books of Sorrow, she can be resurrected by a trick by her name
I get what u are saying but I always had problems understanding that . As we know and xivu herself said in the dungeon she was resurrected by oryx after he killed her ( true death) . Oryx did then the same with savathun. But how would u do with oryx ? He’ s represented by ambition which differently from deception and war can be shown by a single individual
Thinking of Savathun as something akin to Roko's Basilisk is honestly pretty intriguing
Maybe the final shape are the friends we made along the way
Although it feels unimportant to and disconnected from the current the current story threads, I'd love to see something with the Aphelion. Just the idea of something that strong which is that unknown would be something I'd LOVE to know more about. Maybe in a post-Final Shape DLC? Idk.
the Aphelion fascinates me to no end
I have been waiting since season of the chosen for The Fanatic and I would be happy to see him again ingame, opposing the Witness, even if not trying to help us
We’re definitely getting Savathun before final shape. Right now we can’t go into the portal in the traveler. Obviously something has to change for us to go in. My guess is savathun will be the one who shows us
Personally I actually think Fikrul, the Fanatic is a 1# Fan of the Witness, and has been in communion with the Witness for a long time. My evidence for this is as follows:
What Fikrul calls Guardians *"Dead Things"* was not a term first sad by him, but rather, a term said by the Darkness way back in Destiny 1 Grimoire Cards about the *Black Garden.* There was a Warlock who was known as a "Thatanonaut" a Guardian who committs ritual suicide to gain knowledge and visions post-death before being revived. During one of these rituals, a Warlock I cant remember the name of encountered a vision of the Black Garden, they found a flower in the shape of a ghost and reached down to pluck it, but it pricked them with a wound on their hand. It spoke the following,
*"You are a Dead Thing, made by a Dead power, in the Shape of the Dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of Life."*
Now, I really think this was indeed the Witness speaking to a Guardian through a Ghost. The Witness is well-known to possess Ghosts and speak through them. So what if, every time that Fikrul dies, he also sees himself in the Black Garden, and sees the Witness calling Guardians "Dead Things" and this is what motivates him to crusade against Guardians?
Further evidence:
Giant Scorn bosses titled *"The Fanatics Chosen"* lead Purple-Colored Scorn Legions into Rhulks Pyramid on a Weekly basis, and yes, the Fanatic's Chosen are colored Purple.
A deafult, Yellow-colored Scorn Boss appears in the Moon Heist, with the original Yellow/Rust Scorn colors, and Mara Sov says its directly controlled by the Witness, this proves that a Scorns Armor color, Purple or Yellow, does NOT indocate Factions. What it does reprisent, we dont know.
So yeah thats why I think Fikrul has been brainwashed by the Witness for a long time and might even be a Disciple Candidate :p
Fikrul is the son of uldren
@@davidspearim5552 I was there when he gave birth to him.
@@davidspearim5552 Yeah, i already knew that, and it doesnt matter. Uldren was basically Fikruls only remaining living 'friend' and with him dead and now on the side of the Guardians, beings he hates as "dead things" and "murderers" it would be very easy for him to pledge to the Witness to gain revenge.
Savathûn has had plenty of time to internalize the deception of the Witness and Rhulk with Immaru. I do not recall the precise name of the lorebook but the one that contains Fynch's story, we know that guardians can communicate with their ghost while the guardian is down. Fynch's knight guardian is not too happy about staying dead and certainly let's Fynch know that. If Savathûn is allowed to be resurrected, it'll be because she wants to make an arrangement with the Vanguard securing this possibility.
Oh, that's a wild thought. Savathun can technically give Immaru instructions while she's dead, right?
Byf is my primary source of Destiny lore. Evaze comes in close second.
Byf, evade and myelin for me
Evan too
Honestly the witness gives me "I want to destroy everything" vibes and I think people only side with him because they didn't have a better option at the time like savathun or were manipulated like nezor. Fanatic I think crow gets to join us and savathun I think was always on team traveler and just learns to work with us.
What intrigues me is the 9, we still don't I think even know what they are. Were they created from the void naturally or was this something created by paracaual means like the clash of light and dark that created awoken. Why would the void have weapons to give us via xur. Why would half them be on our side and half them not, wont the destruction of the universe kill them too or do they think the witness can give them power to manifest in the physical. What if the witness is a 9 that learned to manifest and is hunting the traveler to take paracasual power to manifest the others. What if we are in a big vex like simulation and the 9 are the people outside running it taking bets on if the light or dark wins. Like wtf is even the 9.
It'll also be interesting to see how the vex play out. I assumed they would be the next big bad after the witness because they finally learn the equations of light and dark from our final battle. So they become the new big bad with light, dark and time powers but maybe not with Asher messing with them. Maybe they get a borg / unimatrix zero type thing and get there individuality back to join us in the final battle like all the destiny avengers coming together.
Welcome back friend. I'm so excited for this next year of content!
Do you think Shin Malphur will play any Role in the future?
Maybe his Storyline is completed but seeing him in a storyseason would be pretty cool.
I know that this may never happen but what if we somehow, someway make the Traveler better again and it sends a ghost to Oryx's heart in the Touch of Malice and resurrects him and Savathun tells him of what The Witness did so many years ago. Do you think he'd ally with us at least temporarily?? One could dream
Oryx as an ally would be amazing not gonna lie ❤
Do we need Savathun to tell Oryx? If he does get resurrected he wouldn't have any memories. But I guess lying to him would have heavy consequences when he finds the truth or if Savathun gets to him
@starlightthewolf6612 well if the Traveler were resurrect Oryx, he'd have no memories like Savathun previously. An she would have to give him his memories somehow. But if he would to get resurrected I'd think instead of the power to Take (since he probably lost it maybe when he died) but he also would probably get the power to give free will. Tbh this all a dream as this could never really happen in the game
This aged well
@@tfotproductions i guess so lol
the idea of Destiny being a very literal video-game has always interested me. ive always felt that the witness is aware of the fact that there is a real-life player behind The Guardian, and the Ahamkhara all seem to believe they are within a game. way back in the Halo days, cortana said chief had something no other spartan had: "luck". that "luck" was the player on the sticks. the game of flowers is also, interestingly, said to be played on an infinite 2-dimensional grid; in contrast to a board game like chess that has a third dimension and where we can physically lift up and move the pieces. a 2-dimensional grid can be seen as a computer monitor.
next, consider for a moment the people of neomuna and bizarre focus on the cloudark in LF's campaign. the people of neomuna can walk around city of neomuna from within the cloudark - they can even visit the cloudark computer in real life from their virtual glowing yellow orb, but they cant physically interact with it in this state. however, a citizen of neomuna can then exit the cloudark and go to the exact same place their virtual orb was - now able to physically touch and damage the cloudark computer.
when i hear "mind and memory of our universe", i think "CPU and RAM". it makes me think that the veil is exactly like the cloudark, a simulation engine.
ive always felt the witness *knows* that there is a player behind The Guardian, and wants the same level of power that the player has over the destiny universe. as players, we possess the capability to do the one thing the witness is incapable of: turning the game off.
the only problem i have with this theory is its incredibly difficult to pull off logistically. how are you gonna portray a video game character breaking the fourth wall without it really happening
I think Savathun is definitely going to be a some what “enemy of my enemy” figure. After all she has for told certain events so far, the ability to move worlds and an enemy of the witness is on Titan. She very well could have planned everything out including dying to us in the final battle (although not in the way she thought/planned).
If there is one thing though I do hope that the Nine get some form of content whether that be a return to the reckoning for a Gambit rework or a season dedicated to their standing in the war of life.
Watching shrike try to deposit a strand tangle was such a mood.
Personally I hope the Vex get a bigger role in the story soon, they're mostly just a neutral force aside from the Witness-worshipping Sol Divisive, but with Asher Mir in the Vex Network and his ability to seemingly simulate the paracausal to a degree, it makes me think there's a possibility of a group of Vex that could be convinced to worship the Traveler by Asher, thus adding a new allied force to our ranks
Since we know that Rhulk was experimenting with the Scorn, yet Fikrul remains hidden. I actually can't help but wonder if Fikrul is currently pondering if he should follow the darkness or Crow, the one he sees as his father, I mean, he was extremely loyal to Uldren.
I think that with everything Asher Mir is doing, we should explore the possibility of Vex becoming our allies. We know that he's helping them simulate the paracausal, something Vex are not able to do because of how unpredictable it is. We also know the nature of Vex is to survive at all costs and destroy any and everything that endangers their existance
I wouldn't bet on that. if anything, ashir just gave the vex the ability to simulate the light and dark, which them not being able to simulate was the only reason they haven't won the flower game yet
When we think about the Nine, something I think is important to consider is that the DLC after Final Shape will be our Ninth one. Not a guarantee, but it'd be a huge missed opportunity not to go for that.
( CoO, Warmind, Forsaken, SK, BL, WQ, LF, Final Shape, _Ninth DLC_ )
man, would be interesting to see the nine come back into play as a divided faction, but would they stop being the nine at that point?
This has probably been answered in parts of the lore before, and also most likely doesn't have much inpact on the story NOW, but I've never figured out or thought about it since I've listened to the Books of Sorrow read on the channel.
What happened to and where is Taox? Does it ever say in the lore what her fate was, or is she still just... out there, somewhere in the galaxy at large?
Keep in mind the Vex have at least some sort of presence if not major presence on almost every world
And even then, the Vex factional as well. The thing that keeps from from being a wild card as far as I'm concerned is that their goals as a civilization are by nature inimical to ours. Vex gonna Vex. Vex always gonna Vex.
@@steelgriffin7716I hope we eventually get some Vex allies. If some can align with the darkness, they can align with us as well, even if temporary
@@OfflineBTW Well if our man on the inside Asher can do it, great. sadly I'm not so sure he can.
Quick note, the scorn aren't fully under the witness's control. As of Season 15 astral alignments on the tangled shore week, the scorn were developing their own culture around fights and fighting pits. Just wanted to point that out!
random thoughts, but if we get one planet back per season until the final shape, i think mercury and the nine would be a very good tie together. its like, trials of osiris/mercury and trials of the nine/eternity aesthetics in the same season!
15:30 trying to deposit a tangle, I feel that on a personal level
I’ve heard some voice lines from Xur in the treasury. I cannot remember them all but definitely worth the hear. I could be off, but some of the things I heard him say, one example is “Are you willing to fight a planet” and so on.
I love how the closed captions on the video keep calling Fikrul 'Thick roll". :D
I just want to see fikrul again in game, he's been forgotten about since forsaken. Though i suppose the reason he hasnt been used since then is because Matthew Mercer is an expensive VA.
How could anyone forget him when his Nightfall was infamous?
I mean you can still hear "SCREEB, SCREEB, SCREEB!" from the Dreaming City to this day.
yo that savathun theory at the end is some real *hits blunt* stuff
Nothing like a good existential crisis to end your video. Considering Nezarec's whole thing was continued existence through in- world mind worms, Savathun doing that to us as the player is just slightly terrifying. Thanks!
Savathun's a mind worm, Nezarec's a mind worm, Riven's probably a mind worm... anyone else who does the mind worm thing, could you please stand up? :P
The Nine are my absolute favorite party in all of Destiny! So much mystery and allegory to them, same kinda with the Vex
byf is straight up GIVING bungie season ideas
The Nine were mentioned in the radio message this week! One of them is the remaining essence (or something) of Drifter's former lover!
Was getting the checkpoint for Shuro Chi and Riven talks in Zavala's voice saying lines of us being a queen's guard so she is updating too.
Great video byf. On this Tuesday morning as I sip my coffee. My heads spinning with all the ideas, enemies, friends will encounter in destiny's future . It's about time the 9 stop playing around and get in the mix already
Some of the other wild card factions I'd consider would be the Psion Conclave, who we last saw aligned with Darkness in Vox Obscura but who might be looking to go their own way after the Shadow Legion became a thing and a god from their ancient past (hi Nezarec) returned; at the very least, we know enough about the Psions to say they likely don't want the end of all life everywhere. We also have our old factions still somewhere in the system, with Dead Orbit and New Monarchy still holding on to a fleet after the Future War Cult's shenanigans in Season of the Splicer. Lastly we have the Vex, who are all over the place. Asher might be in the process of splintering or undermining the collective, the Sol Divisive are in a weird spot after getting effectively backstabbed by the Witness in the Deterministic Chaos quest in the Black Garden to cover up the connection between the Black Heart and the Veil, and the rest of the network is likely still trying to figure out how to survive with everything that's happening.
Fikrul as a wildcard is fascinating - I can only imagine what he's been up to since the Hollowed Lair strike got DCV'd...permadeath isn't likely a thing with Riven's eternal wish-magic constantly bringing him back to life, but since he and The Guardian stopped beating the crap out of each other in that strike every week or so he's had to have been doing something. Has he set aside his thirst for revenge on the Vanguard to look for ways to bring the Scorn out from under the shadow of the Witness? Has he been trying to personally convert more Eliksni into new Scorn, only to fail and see them run off to join the Witness' forces? Is he sitting on a couch in the Empty Tank, crying into a mug of whatever booze is left behind and listening to the same four songs on repeat while lamenting how everything in his life has been taken away from him?
I doubt Fikrul would get over his hatred of The Guardian but I do think he'd be a begrudging seasonal ally, long enough to break the Witness' control over the Scorn so they ultimately could go their own way (setting up Fikrul and the Scorn as a future enemy in Destiny 3 or whatever post-Saga of Light and Darkness expansions are released for Destiny 2). That honestly might work best as the final season of The Final Shape, where we enlist the aid of the last and least-likely group in the Solar System to finally turn the tide against the Witness and the Shadow Legion.
This of course assumes that Savathûn and the Lucent Hive can negate or temporarily detain Xivu Arath's main Hive forces and that we gain some measure of power over the Taken as part of the final Darkness subclass and opening campaign for The Final Shape. I'm trying to figure out what the last seven seasons will focus on, after all:
-Season of the Deep - Titan returns with an ever-fiesty Deputy Commander Sloane having learned some interesting things about the Long Boy in the Soup, and what that creature can do to help us either strike back against the Witness in the future or learn about the triangle portal. The Hive are the featured enemy of the season.
-Season 22 - Eramis continues to waffle about her allegiance to the Witness. Perhaps whatever deputies are left running the show ramp up conversion of House Salvation members into being Scorn and Wrathborn, or there is some calamity threatening Eido that causes Eramis to go guns-hot to come to the rescue. Eliksni may be the featured enemy for the last time in this season. I also really wonder if this is where Zavala's story will end, depending on how far ahead Lance's voice recordings go...if my guess about this season is right, it could be a great moment for Zavala to risk and ultimately lose his life trying to save Eido and Eramis - it would cement for Eramis that her former allies are truly her enemies and that her former enemies are worthy of being new allies.
-Season 23 - whether Io returns or not, Asher definitely returns with some Vex-themed shenanigans in mind. Perhaps he has a way to adjust Vex survival calculations to include cooperation with Alliance forces, or at least a cessation of hostilities that could provide relief for Neomuna. Vex would obviously be the featured enemy, and the final campaign mission could involve wiping out a particular Mind that favors the Witness.
-Season 24, The Final Shape - perhaps we finally figure out how to breach the triangle portal thanks to Asher's Vex-themed assistance. Resonance, a Guardian-compatible method of Taking (or at least Un-Taking) is learned in the process, with the Taken being the most appropriate featured enemy. Unless they come back to augment the Shadow Legion in the final season of the Saga, this may be the last time we see them in quantity.
-Season 25 - whatever secrets we learned from the Long Boy are finally coming to fruition...but it requires reviving Savathûn and finally gaining the favor of The IX to make it happen. Immaru is understandably hesitant and thinks he's figured out a way to resurrect Savathûn without cooperating with the Vanguard. Lucent Hive forces are the featured enemy.
-Season 26 - with a freshly-reborn Savathûn looking to make the Witness pay and The IX wholly on our side, we have our final major tilt with Xivu Arath's Hive. Savathûn ultimately convinces Xivu Arath that the Witness has used the Hive from day one and to turn her attention elsewhere, thus depriving the Witness of a key ally right before the final showdown. The Hive is obviously the featured enemy, and for the last time before post-Saga content is released.
-Season 27, the end of the SoLaD - we spend much of the season having one final go-round with Fikrul, who after nearly two years of searching for a way to break the Witness' control over his children finally figures it out. Much to his horror, only paracausal beings with mastery over both Light and Dark can truly help him, leading him to (very) begrudgingly reach out to Queen Mara and The Guardian for assistance. With the Scorn finally freed and The Guardian having amassed enough power to alter reality like only the Witness and Traveler ever have before, Alliance forces have the combined strength to wipe out the Witness and the Shadow Legion. The Final Shape is shown to have sort of been in front of our faces all along...like with the Awoken, a balance of Light and Dark together in harmony rather than in opposition is the way forward. Perhaps the Traveler and Witness are merged together, perhaps they're time-traveled back before the beginning of time (or after the end of it), perhaps they do what Savathûn only dreamed of and ascended to a wholly different plane of existence.
-Season 28??? - Fikrul pulls a sneaky on us and sees a Vanguard exhausted after an epic fight with the Witness as ripe for revenge. The Scorn invade somewhere important (maybe Io finally?) and we need to find a way to break the wish-magic and end him for good. This is even more wild speculation than my ideas for the previous seasons, as there is nothing solid on even initial development for Destiny 3 and the latest rampant rumormongering has D3 being a launch title for the next generation of consoles (possibly as a PS6 exclusive, if Sony doesn't like money all that much). There are still loose ends dangling out there, not just with Fikrul either: maybe Drifter and Spider stop being so helpful, maybe Eliksni who don't feel like joining House Light but feel abandoned by House Salvation reform House Devils, maybe Xivu Arath is the one to pull a sneaky on us, maybe Savathûn can't help but fight us again, maybe Queen Mara sacrifices herself in the final battle against the Witness and there's a power vacuum in the Reef, maybe Calus raided an Athaeneum World for some alternative resurrection tech, maybe the Vex calculate that there's no time like the present to cause trouble...or maybe we find out that the Witness was dealing with something even worse on the other side of the galaxy and we've got some entirely new foe to deal with for a year or three until D3 actually does get released.
Id love to learn more about the Aphelion.
Im thinking crow is a key part to the scorn as savathun is for the lucent brood
Fikrul MUST still have a part to play. There were even some voice lines referencing wondering where he was at after Witch Queen came out. I would not be surprised to see him enter the war on our side, or at least, fighting against the Witness. He views the Scorn as his 'family' and having the Witness essentially steal them out from under him can't be sitting well.
Personally (without watching the vid yet) I think Savathun is going to join us to fight the witness fully, with us making a deal with her and immaru, and then Fikrul is going to join us just to fight the witness since it’s taking the freedom of his Children, perhaps with Crow (who has Uldren’s memories mind you) convincing him to work with us. I think Bungie’s gonna save the Nine for post-Final shape, however
I can imagine a plot where Fikrul loses more and more Scorn to the Witness and asks for help.
Or he himself is partially controlled by the Witness and by helping him escape those shackles, he helps us get rid of the Witness.
Maybe
I have a suspicion that the nine are being saved by bungie so we have something for a plot after final shape
I sure hope the Vex have some sort of part to play in this battle
a lot of people speculate the vex will be the focus of the Final Shape due to the links between the Black Heart + The Veil, and also being that every other DLC has focused on the Other main factions (except Curse of Osiris), and the Vex is usually sprinkled in as a side note to most locations due to their general presence
The shoe can be placed on the other foot too. There are folks who could betray us at the last that would be absolutely devastating.
The exiled factions for instance could be a wildcard. I know Ikora and the Hidden are supposed to be in contact with Dead Orbit but losing that fleet would be a massive blow to Earth's forces.
I for one welcome more -mommies- allies such as Eramis and Savathun to join us against the Witness.
Something that seems to have been forgotten is that the Awoken's allegiance is a fluid thing. Mara Sov has constantly reminded us that she and by extension the entire awoken people are a cosmic balancing of the scales, born of both light and dark, they keep that delicate balance of the universe by switching allegiances as needed to prevent either side from becoming too dominant. The awoken are allied with the light for now because the darkness is so overwhelming. Should we manage to shift the tides too much in our favor by removing too many of the witness's core allies and minions, there shouldn't be any doubt that the awoken would follow their queen and turn against us to prevent us from destroying the darkness.
I think that fikrul is the mystery disciple from “The Cave” Lore book. Being the witnesses violence kinda makes sense
OMG i just came to the realisation that were getting Titan back next season then we will be either getting Mercury or Io and the same for the last season before the final shape. Think about 3 planets went now 3 seasons 3 planets.
What if the fanatic is chained up with egregor plugged into his head and is being used as an unwilling endless fountain of dark eather. Imagine crow breaking him out of that
14:06 why am i just thinking of the image of Savathun saying “Touch Grass”
Dude it would be so cool if we had a season where we convince the rest of the nine to join us by doing contests and stuff
An interesting tidbit from the Season of the Drifter:
'The Witch' entry in the 'Dust' lore book talks about the two factions within the Nine, the five that observe the Light and the four that are trying to escape the Dark:
_"The other faction walks a different path. A path of folds and needles slipped through spacetime itself, existential syringes yielding new spaces, to be _*_remade_*_ as the Nine desire. They have tried to gather enough dark dust in one place to form a black hole, and found it difficult: when the dark mass collapses in gravity's fist, the dust passes through itself and scatters._
_But difficult is not impossible. And there is far, far more dark matter in the universe than bright. They will find a way to _*_make new worlds_*_ of it. They will end their _*_dependence on life_*_ and on the Light of Guardians, which the falling veil will soon snuff out forever..."_
This information could be a possible hint to the origins of the Witness, a being of dark matter that weilds the Dark to reform the universe into it's idea of the Final Shape: A universe where only the Nine exist to consume on primordial Dark Matter. Which makes some sense given the many references to 'drinking the light' on the VotD prophecy wall.
It's honestly the only theory I can think about at the moment.
Greetings Byf.
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Somewhat forgot the part where in Witch Queen, where after the death of Rhulk, apparently the Fanatic's Scorn try to take over the Rhulk's Pyramid lead by "Fanatics Chosen" in the pinnacle mission. Though who knows what's "canonically" happened offscreen since.
I honestly think another possible wildcard is in fact Clovis Bray himself, granted we kicked him out of Rasputin…but Even Clovis must have ran the simulation or could have done something to prevent his demise. Having a backup body to store his mind into? An exo warframe? Or maybe even Our beloved Banshee?
Savathuns lore is crazy shes one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise
It amazes me how you can explain to me (a destiny player myself) the lore of destiny better than the creator's of the game itself 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I'm picturing Savathun's body dropped in her throne world with a sticky note saying, "Help us!".
Very interesting how Savathun used a similar method Nezarec used to continue to exist after death. Very interesting stuff.
(speculation and theory) some groups that might show up again are the old city factions and the concordat. If that old theory of the concordat scooping up the factions after season of the splicer is true or bungie takes their story a similar way, than we might end up with the dead orbit fleet back in play with the others possibly mixed in either with or against us. If the concordat scooped them up, than they might become a major threat to us as they know the city well and can easily outnumber any of our fleets(from what I remember) assuming it tries to return( i remember hearing something about that but i need to read up on them again so might be wrong there). If they join us in some way, bungie could likely do something with that as its a massive fleet of ships meant to tough out the universe and they have been building up assets and studying the system of sol for roughly 2 years now(dead orbit specifically). Its likely that they have formed both positive and negative connections with all or some of the factions in the system and that could be tied in with the current story(all factions). Plus some of that dead orbit research could lead to us following the witness as they were trying to find and study the distributary and that might lead to something useful (pure speculation on my part and likely wrong but interesting to think of if somehow true). And the other factions(not dead orbit) might still have some tricks up their sleeves somewhere in the system that bungie could put in play.
In terms of Savathun, I think it is worth noting that she was only a God of Deception due to her worm, and the meddling of Rhulk and The Witness. The Hive's hosting of the Worms came with the price of never straying from their nature, Savathun's being that of deception. If she ever did, her Worm would devour her from the inside out. We extracted and contained her Worm. She then can return and for the first time, choose whether to be deceptive or not. I actually believe that her original death, which led to the Traveler choosing her, was Savathun the direct result of her having us extract her worm in the season previous to Witch Queen. The worm sustained her. With it removed, she knew she would die.
Seeing Efredeet pop up again would be dope.
The Wild Cards? I didn’t know this was a Persona video.
Ngl, I'd absolutely love to see the Shadows of Yor make a return, possibly deal with the Praxic Order and the Hidden as well. With us dealing more with Darkness it seems they could be more relevant more now than ever, would even like to see in game characters for Shin and Teben, maybe like the vendors for the season
Riven. Something we know nothing about since last wish. The last words of the techions were "return to us for plans to come". What is meant by that, and even in death, does she have bigger plans?
I think the drifter and all his dark motes he’s been collecting while probably isn’t so much a wildcard is something that surfaces from the back of the mind in uncertain points in the lore.
I can’t remember if it was you or myelin that talked about the key in RoN pointing at the traveler may be a device that requires light and dark to activate and gain us entry into the traveler. I wonder if the dark motes is our fuel supply for the darkness energy. Maybe we have to collect all the jarred up light the lucent hive are sitting on to pair with it.
I think Bungie might take a path where we explore what the nine is in the future, if I remember correctly the nine did play a tiny but important part in the red war that let the Cabal go undetected. I forgot exactly how. But if they do have an interest in meddling in the material realm then I think we could definitely explore what it is.
“Oh player mine!” -Savathun
I doubt it would happen, but I think the return of the factions as a third party wild card, if not as a kind of anti-hero group, would be interesting. They we allowed to just up and leave after season of the splicer, so there's at least a small chance they're still floating around out there somewhere in the system. Plus I really enjoyed the faction system back in D1 and don't want to give up on the idea of them quite yet
Savathun and the Nine could even share a common thread, with "Lucky" Lavinia having learned the "secrets of the Nine" just before being abducted by the Witch Queen. Whatever knowledge the Nine have, it's fair to assume that Savathun shares, at least partly.
As for the Scorn, the one thing that I wish people talked about more is their evolution as a species. When we first met them, they were little more than mindless, blabbering thralls. But as they've progressed, we've seen them evolve into a society of their own. In the Shattered Realms of Season of the Lost, we saw clear evidence of their evolutions in science, engineering, and culture. They're growing not only as a species, but as a culture, and I think Fikrul would gladly encourage this, whereas the Witness clearly would stamp all individuality out. But if the Scorn are allowed to continue to evolve, we may have to have a similar reckoning with them as we did with house Light.
"Lucky Lavinia," she says, and leaps through.
This dude literally predicted the lore of an entire season a while before it came out, that's honestly impressive as all hell.
I doubt Fikrul would have any major impact on the story moving forward- at least nothing beyond him being used as a sort of stepping stone for Crow towards becoming the next Hunter Vanguard.
If the Drifter is apart of the Season of the Deep story, then the Nine will likely be as well. So I guess on that note, we can expect some interesting things to happen soon.
Savathun, enemy of my enemy. She'll probably whip up a neat trick for the Witness soon as we revive her, without realizing the trick was actually for us before it's too late. Then the Final Shape begins.
I absolutely need dialogue to happen between Fikrul, Eido, Mithrax and Eramis holy shit, we need a season where all Eliksni band together, no matter if they're alive or Scorn.
The nine is the one thing i want to learn all about. They are super cool imo
The Nine are definitely gonna be explored in Destiny's next saga, I don't see them having a big impact rn after being in the background/ignored for years.
I love how the UA-cam auto subbing turns Fikrul into Thick Roll, it's very amusing
The nine are by far the most interesting to think about the possibilities
If we at some point go to the citys vaults to retrieve Savathuns Body
It'd be pretty fucked if we find her pinned to the wall like people pin Butterflys to pin boards
I feel like Clovis Bray (as in the AI on Europa) is a wildcard as well. I don't see him siding with the Witness. I feel like we haven't seen the last of him yet. His character reminds me a lot of Durandal from Marathon. He seems, much like Savathun, to be only out for himself. If there's some kind of Golden Age tech out there that he can utilise in a bid for acquiring more power, I can see him doing so without hesitation.
The factions who fled after Lakshmi-2’s failed coup are certainly a wild card. Though, If they’re truly following dead orbits plan, they probably aren’t coming back.